A basketball team can't intentionally score on itself, but it can do this
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- Опубликовано: 10 авг 2018
- In the NBA, there's no reason to try and shoot at your own basket (unless you're attempting to complete a shameless triple double). But EuroLeague rules use point differential as a tiebreaker, and that can lead to some truly weird situations.
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They are just going to leave us hanging like that?
Michael Jay - Value Investing Maccabi won by 4.U r welcome.
Downvoted for that reason. Video felt like a waste of time.
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which team is that the one with the yellow shirts or whatever
Macabi is in yellow
"Euroleague"
"The israeli and Turkish teams"
Makes sense
Israeli doesn't but Turkey is between Asia and Europe.
Israel generally counts as European because they're not allowed into Asia.
@@NoLongerBreathedIn they are just Europeans. Polish and British mostly.
@@elhuuselhuus2521 I'm sorry, what?
@@elhuuselhuus2521 First of neither Israel or turkey is European. Second of all Isreali people are not British but Jewish
Wait, so what the hell happened? Did they figure out how to do it? Did they win or lose? You went on a side tangent and left me hangin'.
Our fault! Maccabi won by 4, which meant they lost the tiebreaker and were relegated. Hooray!
Maccabi ended up winning the game 70-66 in regulation. Due to Darüşşafaka having a point differential of −36 (where they conceded 36 more points than they scored) and Maccabi having a point differential of −42, Maccabi was knocked out (they both finished with identical 4-6 records).
As for the Real Madrid situation, even though they lost the first game against Varese 80-82, they won the second game 82-63, meaning they won the two-legged aggregate 163-144.
Tubewings you the real MVP
SB Nation aww I wanted them to win and advance
Also, as I’m writing this one more thing came to mind: in the euro league (champions league and Europa) for soccer away goals count as “more important”... do away baskets count as more important in the euro league of basketball?
Bring back Jon Bois.
But can a dog be on the team?
Depends. Can it score?
Bruh, have you SEEN Air Bud?
+Taylor Craig lol
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@@taylordcraig He's OP🔥
"Basketball is about hoops, not math", that's how much they hate Jon Bois
Jon Bois proceeds to erase the 3-point line
Exactly
The first recommended video on my right sidebar is a Chart Party episode.
isnt jon bois one of the main guys at SB nation???
dave tucker It’s about buckets
As a maccabi fan I can confidently say that this was the weirdest game I've ever seen live. I was angry at my team for purposely bricking those free throws and not jacking up 3s but also lowkey wanted it to go to OT knowing it is a better chance to win by 11+. It was super weird, really didn't feel like I was watching a basketball game.
Btw we won by 3 or 4 for those curious, I do remember that there was no OT though.
I almost did a double take when they said Maccabi. At the beginning when he said Euroleague, I thought "maaaaaybe they'll talk about Maccabi" but immediately dismissed that.
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זה היה משחק עצוב
אללה מכבי
Gavers23 זה היה ברור שהם עומדים לדבר על מכבי.. גורדן פארמר היה עם מדי מכבי בתמונה הראשית
Gavers23 ya same lol
When I was 9 I legitimately accidentally scored in my own basket, I just honestly forgot that we were going for the opposite hoop and when I got the ball I just went the wrong direction, and managed to miraculously sink a shot from just past the half court line. Fortunately for my team, the points didn't get added due to the fact it was a backcourt violation the second I had stepped over the midcourt line.
Overtime counts as zero point differential. Solves everything.
Yea but then winning doesn't even mattee
Point differential is only a tie breaker, so they would still have to win in overtime.
Or maybe just don't use a system that's meant for soccer...
Too many points in basketball for this to make sense.
Agree.
If tied records are settled on point differentials, why do tied games go into OT at all?
KaiGonGinn cuz dems da rulez
Because in europe we first take a look at the number of victory just like in the nba but, if the number of victory is tied we look at the point difference
Galann De Moor did you even read his comment?
spyOx yes, he is asking why tied games are going to OT if the classement is based on point differencial, but it’s going to OT bc the first thing we look at is the number of victory
KaiGonGinn there's no draws in basketball... no point system in standings... based on number of wins
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Something similar happened in a soccer game. Barbados vs Grenada in the group stage of the 1994 Caribbean Cup. Barbados needed to win by 2 goals over Grenada to qualify for the finals on goal differential over Grenada, but with 7 minutes remaining, Barbados led by 2-1. Barbados scored an own goal to tie the game at 2-2 in order to bring the game into sudden death extra time. Grenada, realizing that they would qualify for the finals over Barbados regardless of whether they won or lost (by no more than one goal), then tried to score in both goals while Barbados defended both goals. At the end of regulation the game was tied, so they went into extra time where according to the tournament rules, the first goal scored counts for 2 and automatically ends the game. Barbados scored, sending them into the finals.
As a fellow bajan please give me this moment.
Blue,Yellow and Black!
Except soccer operates on a completely different system. In soccer, there is no real winner; they only play a certain amount of regular season games that can actually end with ties and then they arbitrarily just decide who the "best team" is. In basketball, there's a playoff with best-of series to determine the real winner so point differential has no place in the sport.
jyashin It was a playoff tournament
Adam Incorrect. You cannot advance in soccer playoffs except with a win. You mean to say the Cup was playoff format, but you need to qualify via points (a la World Cup). Nevertheless the point format exists because non-international competitions have no playoff, and those consist of the majority of soccer games.
jyashin Yes. I did mention in my original comment that it was the group stage of the tournament.
Kinda stupid to use a system for soccer tournaments in basketball tbh.
In theory, it's a good idea, its meant to force a team getting spanked not to give up. Even if they can't win, they would still try hard to make the point differential as small as possible for the next game.
In the in NBA if the point differential is too big, teams usually rest their starters... Basically, giving up.
So yeah, in theory, it was a good it... but it has flaws lol
It also helps eliminate garbage time basketball and makes blowout games still seem somewhat interesting.
it would work if they actually did it like in soccer... the game should only go to overtime if the teams are tied on aggregate
Thats actually how the FIBA championship for european clubs works
This was more like GD at the end of the season, not a direct head to head aggregate match.
My favorite weird rule: In baseball, detaching a piece of equipment (your glove) and throwing it and having it hit a foul ball results in awarding the batter a triple. It used to award the batter ba home run.
Honestly, the change really doesn't make a difference. If you are in a position to stop a home run by hitting it with your glove, then the runner is likely already around first. Meanwhile, if you throw your glove at a ball where the runner wasn't last first, the hit wasn't going to be a home run anyways.
I honestly cannot think of any situation where it would be beneficial to hit the ball out of mid air.
@@howardbaxter2514 to defend that exploded bird
But what if a player throws his glove and it hits a fair ball?
@@BlueSwede92 I know it's a year late, but nobody answered you so I will. Intentionally contacting a batted ball with detached equipment is only a three base award if said batted ball was fair at the time of contact. The ball is live and runners can advance further at their own risk.
If the ball is foul, the call is simply foul ball.
Relevant rule is 5.06(b)(4)(b & c).
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Mark Jones ok, that was epic
Nah that was pretty good
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This got reminiscing about 2k12
I just watched a 6 minute long basketball video.
I had no intention of watching a basketball video.
I never watch basketball.
It's 2 AM and it just popped up in my recommendations. I should go to bed.
Hope you went to bed since then
Reminiscent of the infamous Barbados-Grenada soccer game where Grenada wanted to take the game to extra time and Barbados didn't care who won as long as it DIDN'T go to extra time... so they were trying to score into either team's goal.
Why aren't NBA coaches that smart. There are NBA coaches who still can't figure out to intentionally foul if you're up by three and time is running out.
Although NBA has some BS continuation rules, so the guy getting fouled can just toss the ball up in the air and get 3 FTs. Or make the 3 and get an and-1 (remember Larry Johnson?)
This isn't really true anymore, refs get more freedom to make a judgment call now. If the guy gets fouled at halfcourt (or anywhere) and tosses the ball in the air, they won't give a shooting foul like they sometimes used to. Same thing with the rip through rule
Because if you send them to the line, they can intentionally miss the 2nd free throw for a follow-up field goal.
When i was 7 like 9ish yrs ago i was talking with my older brothers and was like guys y arent they fouling theyre up by 3 and r ok with the opponent scoring 2
@@jp3813 JP, the chances of that happening are so low. Much lower than just getting a 3 scored on you.
It’s easier to fake an accidental tip-in on the wrong basket off of a purposefully missed free throw.
The team down 1 could have fouled, and then acted like they were trying to get the rebound and “accidentally” tip the ball in, try to get it back and make a three. Then try to win by 11 in OT
Matt Schmitt that's actually pretty smart.
thats why most of the free throws were rimmed to prevent tip ins
Wendy Lipson I mean, Manu Ginnobili accidentally made a free throw once when he was trying to miss. Anything can happen
Why didn't Manu just airball the free throw?
jp3813 because he was probably trying to miss to get his team an offensive rebound and the ball has to touch the rim. If it doesn’t the other team automatically gets the ball
spoiler alert cliffhanger coming. I guess we could search up the game but that's work and it's my day off.
I think maccabi won by 4 in regular time so they ended up getting relegated
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HOW DID THE GAME END?!?!!! You guys are killing me.
This is where the previous SB Nation video on intentionally goaltending free throws would’ve been a good strategy
These really unique scenarios in sports are super cool. Great Video.
Also the breakdown and strategy involved is explained well.
Thank you for making me laugh at the end haha
1:54 Jordan Farmar, and he's the guy in the thumbnail too.
Seoul Ting on life I was gone ask that 😂😂
I went to high school with him. I was not surprised to find out he became a pro basketball player. The guy lived with a basketball in his hands at all times.
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He’s my friend’s cousin lmao
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I like how they beep out some swear words but not others
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I was like, “that guy looks like Jordan Farmer”
Patrick Dukemajian it is
You should have analyzed the Varese-Real Madrid game, January 18, 1962. RM coach, Ferrandiz, was a true genius
Great Video!
"Basketball is about hooping, not math!". LOL. Loved that.
"It's way easier to just score a bunch of points"
Names, the only 2 times it's ever happened in the history of basketball
A high pass that would go out of bounds, so your teammate has to tip it back towards you to keep it from going out, but it goes in your own net. Definitely a hard thing to execute but possible, I think.
I think either this or a terrible game of hot potato. Honestly if they scored your way I say they deserve to let it slide.
I’m just surprised that everyone on the court was so aware of that situation in the first place
Super interesting. Thanks!
So, just for information, because I saw many comments misunderstanding the system: the point differential is only the first tie-breaker for teams with the same W/L - record after the regular season (just like the NBA has tie-breakers for playoff seedings). It has nothing to do with being like soccer (note: many European Basketball fans don't particularly like soccer, because it chokes all other sports in terms of tv-rights and such things - that and soccer players being overpaid crybabies...).
Anyway: ECA has since changed the rules, such that games going to overtime count as net +- 0 pt-dif for tie-breakers.
SB: Secret Bomb. If the team was to score on itself a certain amount of times, it would automatically activate the bilderberg group’s secret Bomb. That’s why we have to hire good athletes. Keep asking questions
Lol great vid! I'd self alleyoop off the backboard!! And that was Jordan Farmar!!!
I like what you folks do.
I was at this game. At the last inbound Maccabi was ahead by 2 points if I remember correctly. Maccabi was inbounding and the inbounder nodded towards their own basket, suggesting to Jordan Farmar that he should just run back and score on their own basket. Farmar looked at him like "dude....enough, this is BS".
This certainly was the most boring yet interesting game of basketball I've been to.
What if they shot on their own basket and had someone goal tend for them would that still count?
Oh my, you psycho bastard
I need full video of this
I don’t even like basketball yet this channel is still so interesting and funny to me
I remember that game, very sad...
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I want to see the end of this video play out in an NBA game or even a Division 1 college game sometime.
Tf? Is this how yall really made the video? Why didn't you tell us how it ended.
Maccabi Tel Aviv won 70-66 over Darüşşafaka Doğuş, which led to Maccabi Tel Aviv getting sent down to Eurocup, and playing in the 2015-16 Eurocup.
Maccabi Tel Aviv went 2-4 in the 2015-16 Eurocup Group M with Russian teams UNIC, Nizhny Novgorod and Slovenian team Union Olimpija. And thus were eliminated from Eurocup as well.
In the Top 16 Euroleague round, Darüşşafaka Doğuş were placed in a group with Fenerbahçe (Turkey), Lokomotiv Kuban (Russia), Panathinaikos (Greece), Crvena zvezda Telekom (Serbia), Anadolu Efes (Turkey), Unicaja (Spain) and Cedevita Junior (Croatia).
Darüşşafaka Doğuş went 5-9 and didn't place in the top 4.
Fenerbahçe, Lokomotiv Kuban, Panathinaikos and Crvena zvezda did.
Ultimately, CSKA Moscow won the league over Fenerbahçe, with Lokomotiv Kuban beating Laboral Kutxa (Spain) in the 3rd place game.
MVP: Nando de Colo (CSKA Moscow) Best Defender: Kyle Hines (CSKA Moscow) Rising Star: Alex Abrines (lol remember him, NBA fans) (FC Barcelona)
Was that Jordan Farmar shooting them FTs?
yes, but those misses were not intentional -- he's just trash
I think Bill Veeck would be an interesting topic for one of these. Before baseball had a rule of permanent outfield walls, he was known to move temporary fencing depending on the opponent. He was also the guy to hire a little person for the advantage of a smaller strike zone. He also was first to integrate in American League and founded idea of ivy in wrigley...overal, just an interesting guy who loved bending the rules
Great vid
They should tackle this problem directly by not counting OT points in the differential unless the RT points are tied
Yalla maccabi
That "accidental" basket would be hilarious if it happened for real 😂🤣😁
It seems like the more logical solution would be to only count the point spread at the end of regulation play for tiebreaking, thus removing any incentive to own goal. It also makes more sense, as it ensures that the spread is being measured over the same amount of gameplay time for each team.
What weird rule did Jon Bois violate that caused him to be suspended from this channel forever?
twitter.com/jon_bois/status/1008411012524060673?lang=en
I think he's still in fire jail
That's Jon on the right he just got a tan and is in witness protection.
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That's why point differential is the worst stat in sports.
I kinda get it in low score sports but in stuff like basketball it's really idiotic.
Having an overtime and judging on point differential can't really co-exsist. And overtime is obviously superior, because it means more sports.
I also hate that it's called "point DIFFERENTIAL". Just call it point difference or point margin. You aren't taking derivatives or using calculus.
stfu roblox boy
@@rmrmrm you made a Minecraft video
LOL they should make a full length comedy film about this
Where’d you guys get that basketball hoop? I want to get an indoor one but I can’t find any the height I need, and that’s perfect
yeah, try to score a 3 into your own basket and make it look like an accident. (under 1 minute) GOOD LUCK!!!
it would only count for 2
Talk about the time Kobe realised the ring was off just by shooting and missing his shots. That's one of the most insane stories I found online.
What?
@@robertli3600 Just re-read the original comment. Don’t ask him to write it again.
when you request a trade in 2k and your team won’t let you go
“You’re playing a basketball game.”
“No I’m not. I’m sitting at this table.”
0:59 find where it says C3PO
I feel like the point differential is the root of all of these problems lmao
It has pros and cons, just like every other rule. Having point diferantial rule means that, even if the game is a blowout, the losing team still tries hard to score point to make the point diferential as little as possible, so the starters still play the whole game, and garbage time does not exists. That's a Pros, the Cons would be a situation like the one you see in this video. Not having point diferential rule means that there is such a thing as garbage time and starters getting benched (which is something a lot of sports media seem to complain about NBA coaches not putting their starters so the fans can watch them when the game is meaningless and all that). But, on the other side, you will never see a situation like this in an NBA playoff. So yeah, pros and cons.
That fumbling shot had me deaaaaad XD
This is like One Outs for basketball.
2:05 *Was that Jordan Farmar ?*
Golden Kingdom Yep
Yes
Ya he’s Jewish so they put him in as a national player and not international because u can only have like 5 international players at the time
Golden Kingdom e
NBA champion Jordan Farmar lol
Tell that to J.R Henny
woooow!! we neeed more videos like that
Idea for your next video: the strangest soccer match ever - Grenada vs Barbados, 1994 Caribbean Cup
Two unusual rules were added to this tournament:
1. Every match had to have a winner, even group stage matches. If no team won in 90 minutes it would go to extra time and penalties.
2. The Golden Goal rule applied (if the match went to extra time, the first team to score would win immediately), BUT extra time goals counted for 2.
Barbados needed to beat Grenada by 2 goals to advance, otherwise Grenada would advance. The match started with Barbados going 2 goals up, but then Grenada pulled one back. With only a few minutes left on the clock, the Barbados players realised they would get more time to keep playing if they took the game to extra time, and then if they got a Golden Goal, they would go through. They scored an own goal. Now Grenada needed to score a goal at either end before the 90 minutes were up to advance, since either a 1 goal win or loss would take them through. The last few minutes of the match Grenada were attacking both goals, while Barbados were defending both goals.
In the end the Barbados plan worked: after hanging on to tie the game, they got their Golden Goal, advancing to the next round.
where is jon bois
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lmfaooo these demonstrations be krazy loloo
This is my favorite one
Why didn't Darussafaka not just try and win it by themselves?
Why did they go with the theatrics of Maccabi who has a lot to lose if they lose or win by just below 11 pts?
If the Ds increased that point difference to more than one, the Ms would have a chance of tying it up and going overtime. A difference of one is difficult to tie, because only throws after fouls let you score one point. Otherwise it's two or three.
In soccer when u score an own goal it’s called an auto goal lol
The funniest part is at 5:32! "Oh, no! F***! Guess we're down by two!!!"
lmao the guy on the right 'auto basket' hahaha was funny how he said it
I would foul then when the team tries to brick you “accidentally” knock it in
"Basketball is about hooping, not math". Basically the difference between NBA basketball and Euroleague. Much more fundamental/analytical based ball
Jack Caponi the real difference is the lost acceptance if your team loses in Euroleague vyou can't sleep all night while in the NBA most people get over it immediately that's why European Basketball is so evolved
What has that won them? Lmaoo
@@giorgospolitis8921 that's a bunch of over emotional bs. Holding onto losses doesn't make you any better. If anything that just sounds like a lack of mental toughness.
hahaha best weird rules ep
Same case in the Philippines-Kazakhstan's 2014 Asian Games men's basketball game
Good old game theory!
But hey, it's just a theory...A SPORTS THEORY.
Hah, silly Euro-ball. 2003 Cav Ricky Davis tried to inbound and give himself a rebound for a triple-double. Traded soon after.
Would love an episode one the greatest comeback that never was. That high school team in Texas that kicked like 3 onsides in a row, and then the three team ran back the kickoff
Lmaooo Jordan farmar was out there bricking free throws on purpose 😂
Yellow #1 is that jordan farmar?
Marcus Sikvayugak Yep
Josh Elias gosh. Never thought id see that from him. Euro league rules seems way different. This point system for the regular season seems awkward.
Marcus Sikvayugak It's kind of similar to how they do it in soccer, in the Euroleague they prioritize wins first, then matchups, then point differential, then points scored, instead of how the NBA prioritizes wins first, then matchups, then division record, then conference record.
Josh Elias thanks for the break down.
It's great how they made a rule specifically to stop you from making use of the bad tournament setup.
“Point differential I don’t know”😂
i can just imagine someone tripping up the ball then suddenly going for a dunk in their own basket and going "oops".
I score on myself all the time.
Which is why you don't use point or goal differential as a tiebreaker.
EDIT:Also make any OT win count as a 1 point win.
@Cristofer Wolz-Romberger I dont think it works well in basketball because of the amount of points in a game.
This is beyond hilarious
I like that Ricky Davis reference haha