Have you considered using a metallic tambour door ( rolling top)on the oven cabinet, it would allow you the added option of leaving it open while cooking without limiting the use of the kitchen while using the oven or if you choose to close it it has reflective properties so as to reduce flammability
Just wait until next week's episode - we bring on help for a few days, and that was their takeaway. "I feel like I accomplished a lot! And then I look around, and there's still so much more to do!!"
Matt & Jessica. Have you considered some ventilating slots cut underneath the convection oven? When that fan kicks on or even simply conductive circulation you would be pulling the cool air from the lower section giving you some passive air flow. By the way, its a good little oven. We have the same model though in stainless in our motorhome.
Good idea. We actually havn't used any other mode besides the basic oven... I didn't know that it pulled outside are in. I thought it just recirculated the oven air when in convection mode.
I don't have any suggestions on materials or vents just impressed you went to the trouble of testing the oven in place. You guys are progressing still that is important.
Just a suggestion for improving the heat shielding around your oven (nice oven by the way, they’re great!) based upon experience in motorsports with hot things and composites in close company. Unless you’re using a high temp resin, eventually the cabinet will suffer. Stick-on foil will actually increase the substrate temperature under certain conditions. The most effective barriers are either a low thermal conductivity material or an air gap behind a reflective or low thermal conductivity layer. The air gap doesn’t need to be large to be functional. A couple of products I’d suggest looking at are commonly used in very similar situations to your oven installation and are widely available. One is embossed aluminium heat shielding, excellent with a 5mm air gap. Another is aluminised glass fibre mat which is sold in sheets, is thin so adds little thickness to a surface if it’s adhered as a barrier and is often used to directly wrap exhausts and turbo hotsides, so it’s also extremely durable. Both are available on fleabay. Neither weigh much to fret about, a few ounces for your application, no more. I’d suggest lining all of the cavity surfaces with the aluminised glass fibre sheet and then adding a layer of the embossed sheet above the oven, using screws through the sheet and small standoff blocks to maintain an airgap. All of this stuff is automotive lego really, so it’s cheap as chips, robust and works extremely well. You may well find that fitted out as I’ve indicated you’ll be able to delete the extraction fan altogether, but even if you decide to retain one (it’s certainly not a bad idea) the extra barrier will help the long term durability of the composite cabinet anyway and give you peace of mind should the fan fail. Hope that gives you a couple of options that you may find useful, it’s pretty much how I’ve done it in various boats and motorhomes for a long time now because it’s cheap simple and effective, which suits me because I’m both tight and lazy when it comes to my own stuff. (Hell, I spend my life making automotive unicorns wee, the last thing I want to do at the weekend is make even more tricky stuff when I’d rather be sailing.😂) Cheers, R. 😎👍🍻
Full foil surround will reflect heat back to the oven and the foil itself will be a heat focus. I would line the top only with a sheet of 1-2mm stainless or preferably 2-3mm thick aluminium. I would also add a heat sync inside behind the fan. This way as the heat rises you catch it on a heat conductive material, and then the heat sync will assist with surface area for heat dissipation with the fan. Great to see the progress and ideas on the kitchen!
Matt (8:00): "🎵My life is metric now🎵" Matt's very next measurement moments later: "one inch down" 😆 And Jess you absolutely rocked the editing on this video. Loved the graphics you added and the quick-flash back-and-forth between the model and your boat. Seriously, you could make money editing for other creators.
Just an idea on the oven. If you add additional quite dense Fiberglass insulation between the oven and the metal housing of the oven, you will retain the heat in the oven instead of worrying how the heat will affect the boat. You can just take off the cover and stuff in as much as possible. Ovens / Air Fryers are notoriously poorly insulated from the factory knower days. The heat should be cooking your food not heating up the boat. The top of the oven after insulation should be about 60f not 180f. Awesome to see so much progress.
Nice test, and it's always cool to design the galley based on past experience. I would have taped your vent fan to cover the hole you cut on the side to better duplicate the as-finished conditions, but you're probably still well within limits. Also, in a recent show by Engine Masters, they tested 'reflective' heat shields, like the kind of stuff you'd attach to the floorboard of your car to keep exhaust and engine heat out of the interior, and discovered that all the 'reflective' shields actually _conducted_ more heat to the interior than reflected. They tested a product that had a thin layer of actual insulation in it, and that worked best. Air, they concluded, is your best insulator,
Very practical to check on the oven. Could you use the same type of fan for the Refrigerator area? Mount same way as the oven but reverse the flow. That way not thru counter. Good video. Great to see your progress 😊
for the fan on top of the counter for the fridge/freezer, how about mounting it on the bottom of the countertop and just cut slots in the counter top to let the air escape. Maybe make a cube out of countertop material and have the air vent parallel with the countertop? That way stuff doesn't drop down into the fan. I didn't see a cooktop? Maybe I was thinking about something and missed it?
Just a suggestion on your thermostat settings for the oven area. You may want to set your on and off temperatures a bit higher. In a tropical climate. If you get above 100* the fan would come on but getting below 85* could leave the fan running for days before you get below 85* to turn it off.
Reflective foil will make the oven area warmer so try and test when you have a foil /door in place. Also test the limits of the epoxy used in that area.
The vinyl eater is high temperature, so not too worried about that. We're more concerned with the foam core getting baked, so hope the foil keeps the heat out of that and in the oven space - which should be sucked out the vent
I'd have used an overhead half-time oven. It's a microwave and an oven in one, usually found in campers. They don't heat up your space very much, and the overhead mount can easily be ventilated outside.
For the exhaust ventilation of the fridge/freezer you should extend the backsplash detail along the end of the countertop but integrate a thin double walled vent chase that exhausts behind the backlighting detail. You won’t see the vent slit and spills won’t accidentally drain into it. The backsplash detail will also provide a short lip for the flat surface in front of the window if you have items sitting up there.
i am fine with it there and the testing looks good. rather than reflective foil i would slice up some 2x2 sheets of stainless steel from lowes and line the space. top too. use a thick bead of silicone so there is a pencil lead width between the steel sheet and the foam. testing is great but sometimes these units malfunction in an extreme heat way. i assume smoke alarms will be everywhere too i would go with at least a 18 inch or standard 24 inch off the shelf dishwasher rather than the microwasher. your dinnerparties will thank you nicely edited video, thank you
Greetings to the couple, from a subscriber from Brazil. Firstly, sorry for my poor, and partially translated English. I follow the construction of your boat with great interest, especially because I also intend to build a catamaran in the future. Specifically in the case of this electric oven that you two intend to install on the boat, it seems to me that it lacks efficient thermal insulation to be installed where you intend to install it. It looks like a countertop oven to me. But all may not be lost. I think you can build thermal insulation with the outside made of tin, and the inside filled with glass wool, or rock wool. This will also increase the thermal efficiency of the oven, making it more economical, and the fan will not be necessary. Insulate the sides, the top, the back, but don't forget the bottom too. I hope my suggestion helps in some way.
For the fridge/freezer vent, why not vent it into the foredeck storage lockers? Taking that heat out of the cabin would reduce the temp in there a little bit, which would help when you're in warm-weather areas and reduce AC load when you run the AC. I'd do the same for venting other electronics areas overboard if possible, it's likely a short enough hop to an outside area to make that fairly easy and makes the interior generally more comfortable.
Loving the progress - I'm curious as to what temp air is going to come out of the oven fan given that it'll be hitting anyone going up/down the stairs and once enclosed the heat may build up given that your testing was down with the front open? Can you re-test this scenario so that the fan location can be moved before that'd become an issue? I've no issue with the cabinet taking the heat - I'm more thinking about the vent being at head height for a child getting a blast.
The front cabinet door will always be open when using the over. It will be hinged at the bottom and fold down 180 against the cabinet below it. The air out the vent will be warm like a hair dryer, but since it's pulling in air from the front, will never be too hot
I wonder if the unit itself was designed to be in an enclosed area. Could trapping the heat, even with the fan, overheat components in the oven? Perhaps an oven meant to be in a cabinet with its own front vent would be safer. Hope this helps, love your vids!!
It’s good to start seeing how the layout is going to be and to have a better idea of what your thought process was/is on the various components your adding to your home-on-the-water. For the convection cubicle, it sounds like you’ve put a lot of thought into that space, but I don’t recall hearing anything about what the door cover will be. If you plan on leaving the door open while cooking, that might quickly become a knee-hazard and I wonder if putting some slats in the door would provide enough ventilation so that it could stay closed during the cooking cycle, but still allow enough airflow for the well-placed fan your adding to the back of the space.
You guys are doing great work. I appreciate the insight. Can you post the names or links for the products? Happy to use your Amazon link and give a few cents to your journey.
Once you go drawers in the kitchen, you never want conventional doors again. I changed out my kitchen recently to an Ikea drawer system and mann, so nice and much better than getting down and schlepping through the inside for things way in the back. I would definitely go fridge drawers.
It's a weight issue. Those drawer fridges are double the weight of the unit we chose due to having a stainless interior. Hopefully they someday make a drawer fridge with plastic interior to keep the weight down.
I have the same toaster oven. Thing is great. Wrap the crumb tray in aluminum foil and it will be much easier to keep clean. Slice a whole potato into thin strips (skin on) and toss in olive oil. Air fry for 15 minutes at 450 degrees and you'll have perfect french fries.
As you chop them drop them into a bowl of water to get rid of some of the starch. Then dry them well on a towel and sprinkle on a tea spoon of corn starch before the oil and salt for even crispier fries.@@MJSailing
Great work and great thoughts. Only comment is freezer looks too small. Aside from that it’s all very well thought out. Fridge doors can a usually be made to open either direction so hopefully you plan to have it open toward the wall.
mmm not sur if testing the owen (which has fan inside, is realy good in that resin dust environlent is really safe.. i see lot of dust over the oven... you should clean it very accurately (especialy the fans..a before eating food cooked in it... and in the fridge are you could use computer fans : small silent and... 12 volts :) for the out side may be you could put some fent on an vertical side of the counter top...
I think you need to make the decision on the counter top before you decide on how to run the vent for the refrigeration. Since you're running a duct, can you get it to the other side of the cabinet. The thought is to get the vent away from a food prep aria to avoid spills and splatter. Make sure to allow plenty of venting for goesinta air as you do for goesouta air.
The original plan was to have the fridge at the aft end of the counter so the vent could be on that cabin face.... And now I can't remember why we moved them to the forward side :)
Have a custom vent cover plate made with a custom cut out with like the boat name or palm trees or something like that, be creative and have it back lit. That would be awesome 😊
For the fridge and freezer vent instead of going out to the left why not to the right above the food storage and behind the silverware. not sure how deep those drawers will be but seems like there should be some space to run a vent tube
We originally planned to have the refrigerator aft along that counter so it could vent where you describe.... We changed it later on, but I can't remember why :)
How about a second thermostat that would disconnect power to the oven if the cabinet temperature gets too high? Double safety is sometimes better than one.
I guess that the front will be closed when you use the oven so the additional airflow will solve the problem you can easily have a small alarm if the ventilation breaks Also as a suggestion since you will be using a few of these fans you may want to standardize…bet you already thought of that. Excellent boat building
Engine Masters recently did a test of various stick-on products to stop heat transfer from the engine compartment. Most failed, and two products actually caused a temperature rise !! The conclusion was that the product that had some insulation (thin layer of fiberglass) on the back was best
Pour moi, sur un catamaran, la meilleure solution c'est réfrigérateur et congélateur 110 Volts (220 en Europe). Les progrès en rendement de ces appareils ont énormément progressés ces dernières années, la fiabilité aussi sans oublier le prix qui n'est pas comparable.
Re: Freezer compressor, are you saying you will have a ventilating fan to evacuate hot air from the compressor area through piping? If so, are you going to have an alarm of some sort to alert to excessive heat caused by fan failure? Re:fan for built-in oven, will you be getting a spare? Interior is looking good :¬) Webbed USA
Good idea with a simple alarm. The fans on the refrigerator and these vents are all standard computer fans available anywhere, but we will have a few good quality spares on board
Looks to me like you have plenty of air flow space around the oven. Check the specs on the oven to be sure but I’m betting you won’t have an issue there at all.
Not sure what is the fascination of having a "heavy" dishwasher on board? It's not like you will have busy life schedules...in fact you have a whole 24 hours to wash dishes in.....and save weight😮
I don't get that either. It's just my husband and me at home, and we RARELY use our dishwasher. It takes seconds to wash dishes just for two as you go, even to do well. I can't imagine how many dishes, cups, pots and pans we'd need if we waited for a full dishwasher.
Except we don't have a full 24 hours. 😉 Even when this build is finished and we won't have it taking up our days, they're still full. In general there's passage planning, and then the hours and hours we'll be on passage. (Maybe we'll be able to wash dishes on passage on this boat, but in the monohulls I couldn't bc it would make me sick.) Plus filming and editing take up a good portion of our time as that in itself is a full time job. (I put in 30 hours a week in addition to my build time, and that's when the content of each episode is easily laid out for us). Trust me, we keep ourselves very busy each day and a sink full of dishes is our biggest pet peeve. We'd much rather have the option (and sacrifice a bit of weight) to just do a quick rinse and put them in the dishwasher to be cleaned.
If you're not too worried about spills and water in that area (as this has no lip), I'd consider something like this product for your counter top vent. It's designed for tile floors, but I think it would work just as well for whatever counter top material you end up using. ruclips.net/video/I4sylWobtdE/видео.html By the way, it was really nice to meet you both at the Newport Boat Show!
Thank you so much for the link! I'll give that a look at the end of the work day. And thank you so much for coming out to say hi to us at the boat show. 😍
Fire resistant is not at all the same as fire proof, resistant/ retardant just means you have to apply the same amount of heat for a little longer before bursts into flames or more heat same amount of time. Put a foil heat shield on the inside of that cabinet in the automotive world they make a gold one that is crazy effective
Will you be putting drinks in the fridge? this fridge is 5.1 Cubic Feet. A Cubic Foot of water is 62.4 pounds. The total liquid carrying capacity of this fridge is about 312 pounds. Will you skimp on the beverages carried too?
We're used to living with compact fridges that we fill each morning with that day's beverages. Usually 1-2 liters of water and maybe 2-3 beers. Part of boat life, lol.
Flame retardant resins... Polyester and Vinylester resins are EXTREMELY flammable. They just mix in a flame retardant powder into the resin. It's just a powdered additive. Seriously the retardant does not do much. It's still a good idea as it's better than nothing, but only just. Once alight, Polyester and Vinylester will BURN FEROCIOUSLY regardless. If I had to enclose something like an oven in a fiberglass and resin cupboard I would also add a layer of safety like a fireproof insulator (like a tin or tin foil and fiberglass only (pink bat style) lining for the cupboard area to try to insulate the heat from the flammable Vinylester construction. Please do some checking on this. Flashpoint for Vinylester resin is technically about 220 - 250 F (105 - 120 C) The amount that is raised by adding flame retardant is proportional to the amount of retardant added, but excess compromises strength. To my knowledge, Epoxy is pretty much non-flammable (very different animal). Please note, this is old information from about 25-35 years ago, but a quick check indicates it still seems valid. I'm sure you already know, the worst thing that can happen on a boat at sea is a fire. Far worse that a holed and sinking boat. A fire CAN burn a fiberglass boat to the waterline and sink it in 15 minutes and CAN stop you from getting to your grab bag and supplies. The smoke is very toxic, thick, black and voluminous. It also burns HOT. It will drive you away from the boat. I only mention this because I would hate to see that happen to you two. The fan pretty much makes that unlikely, but I would set the thermostat a little lower at the very least. I spend many years in my youth working in the FRP (Fiberglass Reinforced Plastics) industry and in my father’s boat building business factory. I saw more than my share of fires in that time. Usually cause by carelessness, but once started a FRP factory simply becomes an exit ASAP site and by the time the fire brigade gets there is all over. Please spend some time considering fire in that area and all the best with your audacious boat build.
Icould you vent it outside? how about make it close to window - then have a deflector so the opening would face the window- and the cat would love lying in front of the vent between it and the window. possibly with a filter to help keep cat hair from getting down into it.
The bulkhead right in front is very important structurally - probably the highest loaded area on the boat - so I don't think I can cut a vent hole there. But it would have been a good place otherwise
I don't understand the obsession with dishwashers. One might want to examine the shape of your dishes besides how you eat your meals: formal vs informal. Round dishes take up lots of space. I lived in Japan for a few years and realize that square or rectangular ones are more appropriate. You might be able to fit more in your eating allotment space. Dishwashers take up lots of space just for round plates. I forgot, do you have double sinks? Cheers to you.
We're not doing a double sink, but the reason we want a dishwasher is because the amount of dirty dishes that pile up daily - coffee cups for breakfast; plates, cups, and utensils for lunch; plates, bowls, cups, utensils, and pans for dinner. That's a lot of time and effort spent daily cleaning all of it. But if we can just give those items a rinse and set them in the dishwasher to clean, it frees up that time for us to do more productive things. 😉
i think you are loosing a great opportunity to invest a bit more into a technautics system for your fridge-freezer. like you said: since you are building the spaces up you can build exactly according to specs whilst maximizing the volumes available, you could do all this by building and insulating the ice box yourselfs, placing the euthetic plate where most convient and routing the compressor unit where you need. also it would be top loading which is more effiicient than side loading.
We've had top loading fridges - which we built ourselves - for over a decade and one of the joys of the new boat is no longer having to move things off the counter to get into the fridge :). Front loading was a must.
@@MJSailing ok, i get that. have you look up the consumption specs between units? technautics are pretty efficient....not cheap but really good longevity
Have you considered using a metallic tambour door ( rolling top)on the oven cabinet, it would allow you the added option of leaving it open while cooking without limiting the use of the kitchen while using the oven or if you choose to close it it has reflective properties so as to reduce flammability
You have accomplished so much, and there is so much left to do. Mind boggling.
Just wait until next week's episode - we bring on help for a few days, and that was their takeaway. "I feel like I accomplished a lot! And then I look around, and there's still so much more to do!!"
Matt & Jessica. Have you considered some ventilating slots cut underneath the convection oven? When that fan kicks on or even simply conductive circulation you would be pulling the cool air from the lower section giving you some passive air flow. By the way, its a good little oven. We have the same model though in stainless in our motorhome.
Good idea. We actually havn't used any other mode besides the basic oven... I didn't know that it pulled outside are in. I thought it just recirculated the oven air when in convection mode.
Good Morning The boat is shaping up nicely.. Ed C
Thank you!! Once we move aside all our buildings supplies, you can really see the potential taking shape. ❤️
Getting closer can't wait till it is finished and sailing
Great ideas and layout. Simple, modern, and well planned. Well done! I love that little dishwasher! nice progress! 😊
Lovely to see the galley coming together with your product choices.
Great video Guy’s as always. All the best from us 🇬🇧🏴🇺🇸
I'm so happy to be getting further in this area. It feels like it's been sitting as a blank space for way too long.
_Exciting stuff!_
We're finally getting to the exciting parts of the build, so happy to be winding down with sanding and fairing. 🥰
I don't have any suggestions on materials or vents just impressed you went to the trouble of testing the oven in place. You guys are progressing still that is important.
Wow it is shaping up
Enjoy hearing about the decision making that goes into a semi-custom build. So many decisions! Galley will be terrific.
It's so much fun being able to customize it for what will work best for the two of us!! 😍
I love how he figures out the best needs and possibly future needs, in planning there build
Hahaha, all Matt does is sit around and try to figure out future needs. 😉
Just a suggestion for improving the heat shielding around your oven (nice oven by the way, they’re great!) based upon experience in motorsports with hot things and composites in close company.
Unless you’re using a high temp resin, eventually the cabinet will suffer.
Stick-on foil will actually increase the substrate temperature under certain conditions.
The most effective barriers are either a low thermal conductivity material or an air gap behind a reflective or low thermal conductivity layer.
The air gap doesn’t need to be large to be functional.
A couple of products I’d suggest looking at are commonly used in very similar situations to your oven installation and are widely available.
One is embossed aluminium heat shielding, excellent with a 5mm air gap.
Another is aluminised glass fibre mat which is sold in sheets, is thin so adds little thickness to a surface if it’s adhered as a barrier and is often used to directly wrap exhausts and turbo hotsides, so it’s also extremely durable. Both are available on fleabay.
Neither weigh much to fret about, a few ounces for your application, no more.
I’d suggest lining all of the cavity surfaces with the aluminised glass fibre sheet and then adding a layer of the embossed sheet above the oven, using screws through the sheet and small standoff blocks to maintain an airgap.
All of this stuff is automotive lego really, so it’s cheap as chips, robust and works extremely well.
You may well find that fitted out as I’ve indicated you’ll be able to delete the extraction fan altogether, but even if you decide to retain one (it’s certainly not a bad idea) the extra barrier will help the long term durability of the composite cabinet anyway and give you peace of mind should the fan fail.
Hope that gives you a couple of options that you may find useful, it’s pretty much how I’ve done it in various boats and motorhomes for a long time now because it’s cheap simple and effective, which suits me because I’m both tight and lazy when it comes to my own stuff.
(Hell, I spend my life making automotive unicorns wee, the last thing I want to do at the weekend is make even more tricky stuff when I’d rather be sailing.😂)
Cheers, R. 😎👍🍻
Full foil surround will reflect heat back to the oven and the foil itself will be a heat focus. I would line the top only with a sheet of 1-2mm stainless or preferably 2-3mm thick aluminium. I would also add a heat sync inside behind the fan. This way as the heat rises you catch it on a heat conductive material, and then the heat sync will assist with surface area for heat dissipation with the fan. Great to see the progress and ideas on the kitchen!
Matt (8:00): "🎵My life is metric now🎵"
Matt's very next measurement moments later: "one inch down" 😆
And Jess you absolutely rocked the editing on this video. Loved the graphics you added and the quick-flash back-and-forth between the model and your boat. Seriously, you could make money editing for other creators.
Metric-ish
It’s so exciting to see your dream coming to life
Pretty slick plans...let's hope they all come out as planned!!!
Wow you've been so busy!looking forward to seeing your updates I've been away tolong 😢sorry
Thumbnail rack is on point as usual 😘👌🏼
Just an idea on the oven.
If you add additional quite dense Fiberglass insulation between the oven and the metal housing of the oven, you will retain the heat in the oven instead of worrying how the heat will affect the boat. You can just take off the cover and stuff in as much as possible. Ovens / Air Fryers are notoriously poorly insulated from the factory knower days.
The heat should be cooking your food not heating up the boat. The top of the oven after insulation should be about 60f not 180f.
Awesome to see so much progress.
Great video
Nice test, and it's always cool to design the galley based on past experience. I would have taped your vent fan to cover the hole you cut on the side to better duplicate the as-finished conditions, but you're probably still well within limits. Also, in a recent show by Engine Masters, they tested 'reflective' heat shields, like the kind of stuff you'd attach to the floorboard of your car to keep exhaust and engine heat out of the interior, and discovered that all the 'reflective' shields actually _conducted_ more heat to the interior than reflected. They tested a product that had a thin layer of actual insulation in it, and that worked best. Air, they concluded, is your best insulator,
Yeah, tin foil is a _fantastic_ conductor!
Very practical to check on the oven. Could you use the same type of fan for the Refrigerator area? Mount same way as the oven but reverse the flow. That way not thru counter.
Good video. Great to see your progress 😊
for the fan on top of the counter for the fridge/freezer, how about mounting it on the bottom of the countertop and just cut slots in the counter top to let the air escape. Maybe make a cube out of countertop material and have the air vent parallel with the countertop? That way stuff doesn't drop down into the fan. I didn't see a cooktop? Maybe I was thinking about something and missed it?
Great Job!!! Thank You... :-)
Look at audio cabinet fans they have also temp control and auto fan adjustments. Very good idea for venting these fridge spaces.
Just a suggestion on your thermostat settings for the oven area. You may want to set your on and off temperatures a bit higher. In a tropical climate. If you get above 100* the fan would come on but getting below 85* could leave the fan running for days before you get below 85* to turn it off.
Hahaha, true!! At the moment though, we're only planning on spending one winter in the tropics before sailing to Europe.
Have you looked into wall ovens with the air fry option
They vent out the front and are designed to go into a cabinet and mount flush
Yes. Those are a great option, but too large for the available space (width more than anything)
It would be interesting to know the efficiency of the refrigerator to consider to help your choices as well
What if your refrigerator ventilation exhausted through a small counter-top dorade nozzle?
Can you add the vent at the top at the front? I have seen that before.
Reflective foil will make the oven area warmer so try and test when you have a foil /door in place. Also test the limits of the epoxy used in that area.
The vinyl eater is high temperature, so not too worried about that. We're more concerned with the foam core getting baked, so hope the foil keeps the heat out of that and in the oven space - which should be sucked out the vent
Good idea --using a peel and stick foil insulating sheet to line that cabinet--should keep it much cooler !
I'd have used an overhead half-time oven. It's a microwave and an oven in one, usually found in campers. They don't heat up your space very much, and the overhead mount can easily be ventilated outside.
For the exhaust ventilation of the fridge/freezer you should extend the backsplash detail along the end of the countertop but integrate a thin double walled vent chase that exhausts behind the backlighting detail. You won’t see the vent slit and spills won’t accidentally drain into it. The backsplash detail will also provide a short lip for the flat surface in front of the window if you have items sitting up there.
i am fine with it there and the testing looks good. rather than reflective foil i would slice up some 2x2 sheets of stainless steel from lowes and line the space. top too. use a thick bead of silicone so there is a pencil lead width between the steel sheet and the foam.
testing is great but sometimes these units malfunction in an extreme heat way. i assume smoke alarms will be everywhere too
i would go with at least a 18 inch or standard 24 inch off the shelf dishwasher rather than the microwasher. your dinnerparties will thank you
nicely edited video, thank you
Greetings to the couple, from a subscriber from Brazil. Firstly, sorry for my poor, and partially translated English. I follow the construction of your boat with great interest, especially because I also intend to build a catamaran in the future. Specifically in the case of this electric oven that you two intend to install on the boat, it seems to me that it lacks efficient thermal insulation to be installed where you intend to install it. It looks like a countertop oven to me. But all may not be lost. I think you can build thermal insulation with the outside made of tin, and the inside filled with glass wool, or rock wool. This will also increase the thermal efficiency of the oven, making it more economical, and the fan will not be necessary. Insulate the sides, the top, the back, but don't forget the bottom too. I hope my suggestion helps in some way.
the ventilation is important when you fit an oven in a cabinet ...also the compressor will feel better with a cooling fan
Does your unit, like my home fridge, have the ability to switch your fridge door from right opening to left opening, so it opens against the wall?
Most of them do, but unfortunately this one does not. 😥
For the fridge/freezer vent, why not vent it into the foredeck storage lockers? Taking that heat out of the cabin would reduce the temp in there a little bit, which would help when you're in warm-weather areas and reduce AC load when you run the AC.
I'd do the same for venting other electronics areas overboard if possible, it's likely a short enough hop to an outside area to make that fairly easy and makes the interior generally more comfortable.
You could install ceramic fibre board inside the cabinet. 1/32” - 1/8” thick would be plenty… it is usually used in kilns and is rated to 2300F.
You can get special heat resistant paint as well that takes more temperature like 750c.
For the exhaust fan to be effective, there also needs to be an inlet on the opposite side for fresh air to be drawn into the space.
Yeah. That's what the open door is for.
Loving the progress - I'm curious as to what temp air is going to come out of the oven fan given that it'll be hitting anyone going up/down the stairs and once enclosed the heat may build up given that your testing was down with the front open? Can you re-test this scenario so that the fan location can be moved before that'd become an issue? I've no issue with the cabinet taking the heat - I'm more thinking about the vent being at head height for a child getting a blast.
The front cabinet door will always be open when using the over. It will be hinged at the bottom and fold down 180 against the cabinet below it.
The air out the vent will be warm like a hair dryer, but since it's pulling in air from the front, will never be too hot
I wonder if the unit itself was designed to be in an enclosed area. Could trapping the heat, even with the fan, overheat components in the oven? Perhaps an oven meant to be in a cabinet with its own front vent would be safer. Hope this helps, love your vids!!
Are you putting a cooking top, I didnt hear you talking about any ?
Yes, we will have a 2 burner electric cooktop above where the drawer for dishes is going.
It’s good to start seeing how the layout is going to be and to have a better idea of what your thought process was/is on the various components your adding to your home-on-the-water. For the convection cubicle, it sounds like you’ve put a lot of thought into that space, but I don’t recall hearing anything about what the door cover will be. If you plan on leaving the door open while cooking, that might quickly become a knee-hazard and I wonder if putting some slats in the door would provide enough ventilation so that it could stay closed during the cooking cycle, but still allow enough airflow for the well-placed fan your adding to the back of the space.
The door will hinge at the bottom and fold down 180 degrees against the door under it. It should/will be open during use.
You guys are doing great work. I appreciate the insight. Can you post the names or links for the products? Happy to use your Amazon link and give a few cents to your journey.
Once you go drawers in the kitchen, you never want conventional doors again. I changed out my kitchen recently to an Ikea drawer system and mann, so nice and much better than getting down and schlepping through the inside for things way in the back. I would definitely go fridge drawers.
It's a weight issue. Those drawer fridges are double the weight of the unit we chose due to having a stainless interior. Hopefully they someday make a drawer fridge with plastic interior to keep the weight down.
I have the same toaster oven. Thing is great. Wrap the crumb tray in aluminum foil and it will be much easier to keep clean. Slice a whole potato into thin strips (skin on) and toss in olive oil. Air fry for 15 minutes at 450 degrees and you'll have perfect french fries.
Mmmmm, that sounds delicious!! I'll have to give that a try soon.
Great tip on the crumb tray. It is very hard to clean. Thanks
As you chop them drop them into a bowl of water to get rid of some of the starch. Then dry them well on a towel and sprinkle on a tea spoon of corn starch before the oil and salt for even crispier fries.@@MJSailing
Where does the espresso maker go?
Under the convection oven. 😉
Great work and great thoughts. Only comment is freezer looks too small. Aside from that it’s all very well thought out. Fridge doors can a usually be made to open either direction so hopefully you plan to have it open toward the wall.
Unfortunately this unit is designed to only open one direction. It's a compromise we made to get the largest fridge we could.
mmm not sur if testing the owen (which has fan inside, is realy good in that resin dust environlent is really safe.. i see lot of dust over the oven... you should clean it very accurately (especialy the fans..a before eating food cooked in it... and in the fridge are you could use computer fans : small silent and... 12 volts :) for the out side may be you could put some fent on an vertical side of the counter top...
I think you need to make the decision on the counter top before you decide on how to run the vent for the refrigeration. Since you're running a duct, can you get it to the other side of the cabinet. The thought is to get the vent away from a food prep aria to avoid spills and splatter.
Make sure to allow plenty of venting for goesinta air as you do for goesouta air.
The original plan was to have the fridge at the aft end of the counter so the vent could be on that cabin face.... And now I can't remember why we moved them to the forward side :)
Than vent and fan on the side will draw the excess heat and fumes out. So should be spot on.🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼🇦🇺
Have a custom vent cover plate made with a custom cut out with like the boat name or palm trees or something like that, be creative and have it back lit. That would be awesome 😊
I bet we could whip up a nice custom something at @totalboat!!
For the fridge and freezer vent instead of going out to the left why not to the right above the food storage and behind the silverware. not sure how deep those drawers will be but seems like there should be some space to run a vent tube
We originally planned to have the refrigerator aft along that counter so it could vent where you describe.... We changed it later on, but I can't remember why :)
The oven wont kill you but the processed NY texass toast will with all its seed oils and preservatives will slowly. 😉
That was a prop from the office. 😉. (Not that I won't still occasionally eat it, lol)
@@MJSailing me too on a rare occasion.😁
How about a second thermostat that would disconnect power to the oven if the cabinet temperature gets too high? Double safety is sometimes better than one.
I guess that the front will be closed when you use the oven so the additional airflow will solve the problem you can easily have a small alarm if the ventilation breaks
Also as a suggestion since you will be using a few of these fans you may want to standardize…bet you already thought of that. Excellent boat building
How about a linear vent?
How about venting your fridge and freezer into the kick plate at your feet.
Forget the fan and just insert some metal grilles in the worktop above the oven and use those to warm your plates as well as dissipate the heat.
Engine Masters recently did a test of various stick-on products to stop heat transfer from the engine compartment. Most failed, and two products actually caused a temperature rise !! The conclusion was that the product that had some insulation (thin layer of fiberglass) on the back was best
Good to know. I'll take a look
Pour moi, sur un catamaran, la meilleure solution c'est réfrigérateur et congélateur 110 Volts (220 en Europe).
Les progrès en rendement de ces appareils ont énormément progressés ces dernières années, la fiabilité aussi sans oublier le prix qui n'est pas comparable.
Very true in Europe. The USA has not seen the efficiency gains on our refrigerators here unfortunately.
Only one little freezer?
It's still 43L. Should be plenty of space for us.
Re: Freezer compressor, are you saying you will have a ventilating fan to evacuate hot air from the compressor area through piping? If so, are you going to have an alarm of some sort to alert to excessive heat caused by fan failure? Re:fan for built-in oven, will you be getting a spare? Interior is looking good :¬) Webbed USA
Good idea with a simple alarm. The fans on the refrigerator and these vents are all standard computer fans available anywhere, but we will have a few good quality spares on board
LOL, New York - Texas Toast
Jess, I did not recognize your thumb nail. With Matt’s smarts and research, you should be fine.
My question is if that little fan is rated for temperatures up to 125 degrees.
It should be good to 158f like most computer fans
Looks to me like you have plenty of air flow space around the oven. Check the specs on the oven to be sure but I’m betting you won’t have an issue there at all.
After doing that test, we're also really confident that we won't have any issues with this setup. 😍
Wondering if you guys would find a trash compactor to be more useful to you then a dish washer?
Not really. With a catamaran, the drain goes out above the waterline and is pretty direct. We shouldn't have many clogging issues.
You should try an Air Fryer my sister has a Ninja duo says it’s the best thing ever, cooks as well as an oven but much less power
This oven does air fryer too, but we haven't used that function yet. We'll have to see how it does
Clearly, no turkey for Thanksgiving. 😂
It is still the biggest oven we've had on a boat :)
instead of the compressor on the bottom where heat rises ...Why not put compressor on the top shelf just a thought
It needs to move with the fridge on the same slider since it's connected with copper tubes
Not sure what is the fascination of having a "heavy" dishwasher on board? It's not like you will have busy life schedules...in fact you have a whole 24 hours to wash dishes in.....and save weight😮
I don't get that either. It's just my husband and me at home, and we RARELY use our dishwasher. It takes seconds to wash dishes just for two as you go, even to do well. I can't imagine how many dishes, cups, pots and pans we'd need if we waited for a full dishwasher.
Except we don't have a full 24 hours. 😉 Even when this build is finished and we won't have it taking up our days, they're still full. In general there's passage planning, and then the hours and hours we'll be on passage. (Maybe we'll be able to wash dishes on passage on this boat, but in the monohulls I couldn't bc it would make me sick.) Plus filming and editing take up a good portion of our time as that in itself is a full time job. (I put in 30 hours a week in addition to my build time, and that's when the content of each episode is easily laid out for us). Trust me, we keep ourselves very busy each day and a sink full of dishes is our biggest pet peeve. We'd much rather have the option (and sacrifice a bit of weight) to just do a quick rinse and put them in the dishwasher to be cleaned.
If you're not too worried about spills and water in that area (as this has no lip), I'd consider something like this product for your counter top vent. It's designed for tile floors, but I think it would work just as well for whatever counter top material you end up using. ruclips.net/video/I4sylWobtdE/видео.html
By the way, it was really nice to meet you both at the Newport Boat Show!
Thank you so much for the link! I'll give that a look at the end of the work day. And thank you so much for coming out to say hi to us at the boat show. 😍
Fire resistant is not at all the same as fire proof, resistant/ retardant just means you have to apply the same amount of heat for a little longer before bursts into flames or more heat same amount of time. Put a foil heat shield on the inside of that cabinet in the automotive world they make a gold one that is crazy effective
Will you be putting drinks in the fridge? this fridge is 5.1 Cubic Feet. A Cubic Foot of water is 62.4 pounds. The total liquid carrying capacity of this fridge is about 312 pounds. Will you skimp on the beverages carried too?
We're used to living with compact fridges that we fill each morning with that day's beverages. Usually 1-2 liters of water and maybe 2-3 beers. Part of boat life, lol.
Flame retardant resins... Polyester and Vinylester resins are EXTREMELY flammable. They just mix in a flame retardant powder into the resin. It's just a powdered additive. Seriously the retardant does not do much. It's still a good idea as it's better than nothing, but only just. Once alight, Polyester and Vinylester will BURN FEROCIOUSLY regardless. If I had to enclose something like an oven in a fiberglass and resin cupboard I would also add a layer of safety like a fireproof insulator (like a tin or tin foil and fiberglass only (pink bat style) lining for the cupboard area to try to insulate the heat from the flammable Vinylester construction. Please do some checking on this.
Flashpoint for Vinylester resin is technically about 220 - 250 F (105 - 120 C) The amount that is raised by adding flame retardant is proportional to the amount of retardant added, but excess compromises strength.
To my knowledge, Epoxy is pretty much non-flammable (very different animal).
Please note, this is old information from about 25-35 years ago, but a quick check indicates it still seems valid.
I'm sure you already know, the worst thing that can happen on a boat at sea is a fire. Far worse that a holed and sinking boat. A fire CAN burn a fiberglass boat to the waterline and sink it in 15 minutes and CAN stop you from getting to your grab bag and supplies. The smoke is very toxic, thick, black and voluminous. It also burns HOT. It will drive you away from the boat.
I only mention this because I would hate to see that happen to you two. The fan pretty much makes that unlikely, but I would set the thermostat a little lower at the very least.
I spend many years in my youth working in the FRP (Fiberglass Reinforced Plastics) industry and in my father’s boat building business factory. I saw more than my share of fires in that time. Usually cause by carelessness, but once started a FRP factory simply becomes an exit ASAP site and by the time the fire brigade gets there is all over.
Please spend some time considering fire in that area and all the best with your audacious boat build.
Icould you vent it outside? how about make it close to window - then have a deflector so the opening would face the window- and the cat would love lying in front of the vent between it and the window. possibly with a filter to help keep cat hair from getting down into it.
The bulkhead right in front is very important structurally - probably the highest loaded area on the boat - so I don't think I can cut a vent hole there. But it would have been a good place otherwise
I don't understand the obsession with dishwashers. One might want to examine the shape of your dishes besides how you eat your meals: formal vs informal. Round dishes take up lots of space. I lived in Japan for a few years and realize that square or rectangular ones are more appropriate. You might be able to fit more in your eating allotment space. Dishwashers take up lots of space just for round plates. I forgot, do you have double sinks? Cheers to you.
We're not doing a double sink, but the reason we want a dishwasher is because the amount of dirty dishes that pile up daily - coffee cups for breakfast; plates, cups, and utensils for lunch; plates, bowls, cups, utensils, and pans for dinner. That's a lot of time and effort spent daily cleaning all of it. But if we can just give those items a rinse and set them in the dishwasher to clean, it frees up that time for us to do more productive things. 😉
It’s a little more complicated, but our refrigerator and freezer compressor is sea water cooled…
The oven just seems very low
PS guys: Aerogel insulation will help protect your refrigerator & freezer space from tropical heat!😊
Ive used Aerogel in the past for a cooler bag. Worked very well. I'll have to see if it has come down in price to something affordable
How about a really good looking plastic plant in a nice pot, and make that into the vent.. nobody will notice the vent..
That's a very clever idea!
@@MJSailing just don't water it 😅
Hey, I have that sink! I put in a sink with a threaded hose adapter and a spray gun with a soap dispenser next to it,
Fan ON, oven OFF .... temp difference created by oven status as much as fan.
i think you are loosing a great opportunity to invest a bit more into a technautics system for your fridge-freezer. like you said: since you are building the spaces up you can build exactly according to specs whilst maximizing the volumes available, you could do all this by building and insulating the ice box yourselfs, placing the euthetic plate where most convient and routing the compressor unit where you need. also it would be top loading which is more effiicient than side loading.
We've had top loading fridges - which we built ourselves - for over a decade and one of the joys of the new boat is no longer having to move things off the counter to get into the fridge :). Front loading was a must.
@@MJSailing ok, i get that. have you look up the consumption specs between units? technautics are pretty efficient....not cheap but really good longevity
An idea for counter top vent - may seem a strange idea, but look at some designer shower tray drains
That is a good outside the box idea!
Pls tell the rest of the world ( ~7 billion people) the temperatures in degrees Celsius ;-))
Duct it out of the seat....on the other side.
As its fan not a natural heat flow.