A manual parking brake saved me from an accident when my master brake cylinder failed (not on a Ford. It's rare, but could happen on any make I imagine). I was able to pull on the handbrake, put both hands back on the steering wheel to avoid parked cars left and right until the handbrake kicked in and bit a few seconds later. Trying to hang on to a little rocker switch in that circumstance - I'm sure I would have crashed. And if the battery goes flat there is no way to disengage the electric parking brake. What a misguided development on so many new cars :(
These electronic parking brakes use $400 USD worth of equipment replacing a $20 cable. If the system needs repair off warrantee, you are out several hundred dollars.
But not really if the car had rear discs. These systems replace a 20 dollar cable AND a number of additional components on the rear brakes themselves up to and including an entire additional drum brake within the rotor hat. The additional expense is actually pretty minor because a cheap motor on the back of a basic screw drive is not in fact expensive at all. It's also simple as hell and in reality very rarely never fails because it's only ever used quite intermittently and never under heavy load. Even repair costs aren't that different because in many cases most of the cost is going to be in labor anyway. In return for this minor increase in expense you gain: -A parking brake that always works first and foremost. I can't tell you how many cars with manual parking brakes I come across that can't hold the vehicle on anything but basically flat ground because they're never adjusted or serviced. Because doing so would require paying for probably at least half to an hour of labor. E-brakes however will always wind down as far as needed to apply full pressure without any need of adjustment or developing any sort of slack in cabling, when they're engaged that car isn't going anywhere and there's no need to ever pay for adjustment. -This also applies to their use as an emergency brake, since they will apply full rear braking power when engaged -Automatic application when the car is placed into park. Which we all know we SHOULD do, but lets face it most of us don't -Anti-rollaway features that will automatically stop the car if starts to roll They aren't really much harder to service either. Assuming you have a scan tool and know the menus for that vehicle they add maybe 30 seconds to set to maintenance mode and then they wind back manually. Some claim you NEED this tool and cite it as a point against them, but this is a lie. If you lack the tool you can simply disconnect the motor from the rear of the drive and then wind them back. Depending on the exact model this might literally only add like two or three minutes per side.
I have been in three different cars without manual handbrakes... They wobble a lot!!! On flat surface they feel like a manual brake car without the brake on! It is not just the "fun" it is about comfort, security and simplicity. These new things break alot easier, and there are some emergencies that need manual things. NOT just brakes, but door locks too. (Even though many cars don't have manual locks for each door, two of those new cars I rode in had them! But still the worst part about some cars today is that one open door unlocks all four and you can't lock them when one is open! You could do all that and more with central locking, and some remote keycars can at least do that!) But I have read that the trend is declining. Lets hope we can bring individual car locks that can also run on central locking back, opening one door, locking doors when one is open. The last central locking of a key lock car we had could even function just on battery! The important part is to complain and refuse to buy stuff we dont want or need. There are more buttons inside cars again, no dangerous need to look at a touch screen for heating or radio. There are also more buttons on tvs, hidden which is retarded, but still. There were flatscreens that had no visible power button! But just like with lithium batteries and cables I am astonished how easily the majority just accepted "progress" that was worse! Sometimes older people are reminded by me how much more comfortable some "older stuff" was, and young people, well they are surprised that somethings changed for the worse. Why is that, wasn't it the case that customer unfriendly stuff didn't sell??? "there is nothing else, I have to buy this." NO YOU DONT.
I am quite sure it is just a switch.. it is 'up' or 'not up' (or, more specifically 'up', 'neutral/resting' or 'down' which is for releasing the parking brake). You cannot make it apply more force by pulling harder on it. That would be like thinking your bedroom light came on brighter or more quickly if you flipped the light switch with extra force. (I found your channel by looking for demonstrations on the tech in my new-to-me 2016 Accord. I would love to see more in-depth how-to's and maybe explanations and demonstrations on correcting issues with all the technology in the latest generation of cars.)
I have a 2019 Civic in Canada and I've tried the e-brake in the snow. It does not work like the old handbrake; it appears to brake all four wheels, as far as I can tell.
It’s called an emergency brake for when your hydraulic brakes fail. If you can’t use it at operating speeds it’s useless. It’s sad how something so important is not understood by owners.
It seems strange that drivers in some nations think a transmission brake is a substitute for a parking brake or hand brake. Wiser I think to use the parking brake daily, so it stands a chance of working if you do need it in an emergency.
@@CadgerChristmasLightShow They really are horrible. I’m 36 and I drive a 2019 VW GTI. I’ve owned more manual transmission cars than I’d like to admit. Whenever I’m driving and I see a cop or a speed trap, it is old habit to reach for the E-brake, instead of the brake pedal. (This helps you slow down, without your brake lights illuminating, which is what they look for at night) I wouldn’t know what to do if I didn’t have this function.
@@tetchuma I have only owned manual cars my whole life (with mechanical e brake levers) and I never thought about doing that trick, thanks for the tip!
You and most of the commenters here have NO IDEA what you/they are talking about... All an electronic parking brake is, is a motor on the back of your rear brake caliper that manually winds the caliper to a firm braking position. It works in case your hydraulics go out on the brakes. The motor is cheap and easy to replace should it ever go out..
@@tetchuma maybe pay attention, because I fly down the highway at 100+ for work every day for 70 miles passing 3 different points where cops can and will sit, and I've never had an issue..
The ABS computer is directly involved,, If you pull up on electrinc parking brake toggle , "plus" the system it senses the car in in motion it is going to take your action as an intension for emergency braking engagement , Unlike a normal cable parking brake , its going to apply full effort hydraulic braking to all 4 wheels but with one big diffrence "Abs is still active so it wont lock them even if you do this on a slippery surface like snow,, It will only do this as long as you hold the switch pulled up , it ceases when you release it.. How does it work,, when you engage the switch with the car in motion, The computer reads it as "driver intended emergency braking requested , it instanlty spins up the ABS pump to generate preasure and and using the valves inside the ABS unit, applys the maximum amount of presure it can get away with "without locking the wheels" just like a foot to the floor abs stop it applys brakes to all 4 brake calipers with the condition that it regulates the presure to avoid wheel lock up,, even if your driving in the snow , once the car acculy stops , it then applys the normal parking brake shoes to keep the car from rolling , I have been told it also uses the brake system presure sensors to detect if a major hydraulic brake failure has occured like a broken brake line , and in that case it will apply the mechanal parking brake as a fail safe.. that I have not confirmed,,
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I am reading through the 2022 Honda HR-V manual to see if this EPB does actually work as an Emergency Brake - and your face looks like mine would 'scared' what is going to happen - and you answered my question, will it abruptly stop, or intermittent slowing. Thank you again, this was awesome.
Guess I'm the only one here who actually likes them then. Takes up less space, doesn't have to be readjusted, super easy to use for all people, you can just drive and it won't break shit because it can release automatically if it detects you just driving without releasing it yourself before. (especially nice if there are multiple people using the car, like in a rental or if you got kids who learn or elderly people)
@@gerald8573 "it can release automatically if it detects you just driving without releasing it yourself before" c'mon bro, releasing a manual handbrake hardly takes any effort, manual handbrakes are awesome
@@gerald8573 "Takes up less space, doesn't have to be readjusted, super easy to use for all people"...bro, those points are not that important though, those are trivial and small issues
As if the click-bait title wasn't enough, the only "disaster" in this video is a salesman abusing a brand new vehicle that was certainly sold as "new" to some unsuspecting customer who then gets denied warranty coverage when this fails because of "obvious abuse". He should've been fired immediately but I'm sure he's still working there. Pitiful.
It apply all the hydraulic the brakes by using the ABS pump , it stops as fast as possible given the available traction the ABS is still actively sensing wheel slip and stabilty control functions as well ..
So it does seemingly modulate, justifying the term "electronic" rather than just "electric". But why can't they just provide a proper hand brake ? These and the electric bloody slow as a snail tailgates drive me nuts in periodic car rentals.
My 2016 Mazda 6 has this. Normally it will not activate above about 1/2 mph. I tried to use it as an emergency brake. It won't activate. Twice it had uncommanded applications. One at about 25 mph and once at about 20 mph. I was not touching the switch, it just went to full rear brakes and skidded to a stop. I have it back to dealers and they can't duplicate the issue or correct the problem. I'm concerned about an uncommanded application in a higher speed curve, like an off ramp. I hope that doesn't happen. My opinion is that parking/emergency brakes should be mechanical. I've tested that type many times and have always been able to make controlled stops.
I believe they should be mechanical too. My foot brake died in my car today and managed to not crash into the car infront of me and limp the car off the road to the side street using the parkbrake
@@sneakymango5396 I never did. I had it back to the dealer and they said they couldn't find the problem. I suspect they reflashed something but I don't know. It was at least 70k ago and it hasn't happened again. I really hate these electronic parking brakes. Never again will I buy one.
On the show "Everybody Loves Raymond" ... Marie was slowly backing up her car to park it. She was moving at about 1 mile per hour. If she upon finding her brakes not responding ... she gently pulled up the Emergency Brake her car should have come to a very gentle stop and prevented her from crashing into Raymond's living room. Is this correct????
I don't see a reason why the mechanical E brake is better than electronic E brake the mechanical one are very cheap and the cable get worn out after a five , 7 years max and they have nothing to do with safety and it took a huge space in the interior and add a lot of weight just like the opposite of the electronic e brake unless you only need it to perform some lame drift if it's for that reason just go and buy a rear wheel vehicle so you won't get bothered if the brake is electronic or mechanical
@@kuro_shinigami7526 I prefer the mechanical as you can physically control how much you’re applying the brakes in a stop if your foot brake dies, like what happened to me today, and certain cars, I think mazdas and a few others don’t let you use it when you’re moving
when a person titles their video with a word that does not fit the content then what ever that person says should be treated with a huge pinch of salt, this video only proves that the 'author' lies..
The more electronics in your car, the more problems. If nobody gets this, I can’t help you. 😂
What a fu#"@;" up system, give me back the cable.
A manual parking brake saved me from an accident when my master brake cylinder failed (not on a Ford. It's rare, but could happen on any make I imagine). I was able to pull on the handbrake, put both hands back on the steering wheel to avoid parked cars left and right until the handbrake kicked in and bit a few seconds later. Trying to hang on to a little rocker switch in that circumstance - I'm sure I would have crashed. And if the battery goes flat there is no way to disengage the electric parking brake. What a misguided development on so many new cars :(
My breakers failed and I pulled the manual hand brake basically did nothing going 80km down a hill.
These electronic parking brakes use $400 USD worth of equipment replacing a $20 cable. If the system needs repair off warrantee, you are out several hundred dollars.
But not really if the car had rear discs.
These systems replace a 20 dollar cable AND a number of additional components on the rear brakes themselves up to and including an entire additional drum brake within the rotor hat. The additional expense is actually pretty minor because a cheap motor on the back of a basic screw drive is not in fact expensive at all. It's also simple as hell and in reality very rarely never fails because it's only ever used quite intermittently and never under heavy load. Even repair costs aren't that different because in many cases most of the cost is going to be in labor anyway.
In return for this minor increase in expense you gain:
-A parking brake that always works first and foremost. I can't tell you how many cars with manual parking brakes I come across that can't hold the vehicle on anything but basically flat ground because they're never adjusted or serviced. Because doing so would require paying for probably at least half to an hour of labor. E-brakes however will always wind down as far as needed to apply full pressure without any need of adjustment or developing any sort of slack in cabling, when they're engaged that car isn't going anywhere and there's no need to ever pay for adjustment.
-This also applies to their use as an emergency brake, since they will apply full rear braking power when engaged
-Automatic application when the car is placed into park. Which we all know we SHOULD do, but lets face it most of us don't
-Anti-rollaway features that will automatically stop the car if starts to roll
They aren't really much harder to service either. Assuming you have a scan tool and know the menus for that vehicle they add maybe 30 seconds to set to maintenance mode and then they wind back manually. Some claim you NEED this tool and cite it as a point against them, but this is a lie. If you lack the tool you can simply disconnect the motor from the rear of the drive and then wind them back. Depending on the exact model this might literally only add like two or three minutes per side.
I have been in three different cars without manual handbrakes... They wobble a lot!!! On flat surface they feel like a manual brake car without the brake on!
It is not just the "fun" it is about comfort, security and simplicity. These new things break alot easier, and there are some emergencies that need manual things. NOT just brakes, but door locks too. (Even though many cars don't have manual locks for each door, two of those new cars I rode in had them! But still the worst part about some cars today is that one open door unlocks all four and you can't lock them when one is open! You could do all that and more with central locking, and some remote keycars can at least do that!) But I have read that the trend is declining. Lets hope we can bring individual car locks that can also run on central locking back, opening one door, locking doors when one is open. The last central locking of a key lock car we had could even function just on battery! The important part is to complain and refuse to buy stuff we dont want or need. There are more buttons inside cars again, no dangerous need to look at a touch screen for heating or radio. There are also more buttons on tvs, hidden which is retarded, but still. There were flatscreens that had no visible power button! But just like with lithium batteries and cables I am astonished how easily the majority just accepted "progress" that was worse! Sometimes older people are reminded by me how much more comfortable some "older stuff" was, and young people, well they are surprised that somethings changed for the worse. Why is that, wasn't it the case that customer unfriendly stuff didn't sell??? "there is nothing else, I have to buy this." NO YOU DONT.
I am quite sure it is just a switch.. it is 'up' or 'not up' (or, more specifically 'up', 'neutral/resting' or 'down' which is for releasing the parking brake). You cannot make it apply more force by pulling harder on it. That would be like thinking your bedroom light came on brighter or more quickly if you flipped the light switch with extra force.
(I found your channel by looking for demonstrations on the tech in my new-to-me 2016 Accord. I would love to see more in-depth how-to's and maybe explanations and demonstrations on correcting issues with all the technology in the latest generation of cars.)
Yes correct. It’s simply up and down. It feels harder the faster your going though. More how to and tech coming up!
Guessing you sold the vehicle 😁
I have a 2019 Civic in Canada and I've tried the e-brake in the snow. It does not work like the old handbrake; it appears to brake all four wheels, as far as I can tell.
It’s called an emergency brake for when your hydraulic brakes fail. If you can’t use it at operating speeds it’s useless. It’s sad how something so important is not understood by owners.
It's actually a parking brake, not an emergency brake.
It's also sad that you don't know what you're talking about.
It seems strange that drivers in some nations think a transmission brake is a substitute for a parking brake or hand brake. Wiser I think to use the parking brake daily, so it stands a chance of working if you do need it in an emergency.
Another expensive electrical device to repair when the warranty expires...
Chadimous I didn’t know electric e brakes existed before this. The whole idea of it is asinine and over complicated.
@@CadgerChristmasLightShow
They really are horrible.
I’m 36 and I drive a 2019 VW GTI. I’ve owned more manual transmission cars than I’d like to admit. Whenever I’m driving and I see a cop or a speed trap, it is old habit to reach for the E-brake, instead of the brake pedal. (This helps you slow down, without your brake lights illuminating, which is what they look for at night) I wouldn’t know what to do if I didn’t have this function.
@@tetchuma I have only owned manual cars my whole life (with mechanical e brake levers) and I never thought about doing that trick, thanks for the tip!
You and most of the commenters here have NO IDEA what you/they are talking about... All an electronic parking brake is, is a motor on the back of your rear brake caliper that manually winds the caliper to a firm braking position. It works in case your hydraulics go out on the brakes. The motor is cheap and easy to replace should it ever go out..
@@tetchuma maybe pay attention, because I fly down the highway at 100+ for work every day for 70 miles passing 3 different points where cops can and will sit, and I've never had an issue..
The ABS computer is directly involved,, If you pull up on electrinc parking brake toggle , "plus" the system it senses the car in in motion it is going to take your action as an intension for emergency braking engagement , Unlike a normal cable parking brake , its going to apply full effort hydraulic braking to all 4 wheels but with one big diffrence "Abs is still active so it wont lock them even if you do this on a slippery surface like snow,, It will only do this as long as you hold the switch pulled up , it ceases when you release it.. How does it work,, when you engage the switch with the car in motion, The computer reads it as "driver intended emergency braking requested , it instanlty spins up the ABS pump to generate preasure and and using the valves inside the ABS unit, applys the maximum amount of presure it can get away with "without locking the wheels" just like a foot to the floor abs stop it applys brakes to all 4 brake calipers with the condition that it regulates the presure to avoid wheel lock up,, even if your driving in the snow , once the car acculy stops , it then applys the normal parking brake shoes to keep the car from rolling , I have been told it also uses the brake system presure sensors to detect if a major hydraulic brake failure has occured like a broken brake line , and in that case it will apply the mechanal parking brake as a fail safe.. that I have not confirmed,,
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I am reading through the 2022 Honda HR-V manual to see if this EPB does actually work as an Emergency Brake - and your face looks like mine would 'scared' what is going to happen - and you answered my question, will it abruptly stop, or intermittent slowing. Thank you again, this was awesome.
Yesterday , My daughter pulled my xc90’s parking brake . And the taxi driver behind me would almost crash . There should be a protection system.
This. It's so easy to accidentally pull it and have the car behind you crash into your car, especially if there's children or pets in the car.
I hate this trend so much!!
I concur with that! I despise these awful electronic parking brakes!
Guess I'm the only one here who actually likes them then. Takes up less space, doesn't have to be readjusted, super easy to use for all people, you can just drive and it won't break shit because it can release automatically if it detects you just driving without releasing it yourself before. (especially nice if there are multiple people using the car, like in a rental or if you got kids who learn or elderly people)
Bob Plan Der Linde, well said
@@gerald8573 "it can release automatically if it detects you just driving without releasing it yourself before" c'mon bro, releasing a manual handbrake hardly takes any effort, manual handbrakes are awesome
@@gerald8573 "Takes up less space, doesn't have to be readjusted, super easy to use for all people"...bro, those points are not that important though, those are trivial and small issues
As if the click-bait title wasn't enough, the only "disaster" in this video is a salesman abusing a brand new vehicle that was certainly sold as "new" to some unsuspecting customer who then gets denied warranty coverage when this fails because of "obvious abuse". He should've been fired immediately but I'm sure he's still working there. Pitiful.
What would happen if you engaged the electric parking brake at around 70 mph on wet pavement?
👀🤷🏻♂️ should I try?
@@snapshotsofsuccess go for it
its just going to keep applying brakes with abs...pure stupidity.
It apply all the hydraulic the brakes by using the ABS pump , it stops as fast as possible given the available traction the ABS is still actively sensing wheel slip and stabilty control functions as well ..
@@tylershomevideos what would you prefer? Locking up the wheels so you have no control? Awesome.
What happens to the electronic Perkin break if you get it wet perk in your boat in the water? For pickup trucks That's what I'm kind of curious about
You cannot do a handbrake turn even with the old stick system unless you can turn the ABS off.
Can you override EPA when it stuck can't move
Can the e brake still be manually applied?
I have a Hyundai. I apply it when parked on a hill, it automatically disengages when I put the car in gear.
My car is saying parking brake required but it's still drive but you can smell the brakes and the lights are still blinking
I just uploaded a video where I pulled my 2016 F150 epb at 55 mph. The truck came to a smooth stop.
That’s awesome!
So it does seemingly modulate, justifying the term "electronic" rather than just "electric". But why can't they just provide a proper hand brake ? These and the electric bloody slow as a snail tailgates drive me nuts in periodic car rentals.
Why does it sound so horrible? Is it just to one wheel? A front wheel?
My 2016 Mazda 6 has this. Normally it will not activate above about 1/2 mph. I tried to use it as an emergency brake. It won't activate. Twice it had uncommanded applications. One at about 25 mph and once at about 20 mph. I was not touching the switch, it just went to full rear brakes and skidded to a stop. I have it back to dealers and they can't duplicate the issue or correct the problem. I'm concerned about an uncommanded application in a higher speed curve, like an off ramp. I hope that doesn't happen. My opinion is that parking/emergency brakes should be mechanical. I've tested that type many times and have always been able to make controlled stops.
I believe they should be mechanical too. My foot brake died in my car today and managed to not crash into the car infront of me and limp the car off the road to the side street using the parkbrake
omg this happened to me in my 2019 Mazda 3. Did you figure out what caused it? I'm also worried about it happening while I'm driving at faster speeds
@@sneakymango5396 I never did. I had it back to the dealer and they said they couldn't find the problem. I suspect they reflashed something but I don't know. It was at least 70k ago and it hasn't happened again. I really hate these electronic parking brakes. Never again will I buy one.
Thank you so much. I’ve been wondering this. 🙏🏾
Wow he’s in a bran New car….Dealership…….
On the show "Everybody Loves Raymond" ... Marie was slowly backing up her car to park it. She was moving at about 1 mile per hour. If she upon finding her brakes not responding ... she gently pulled up the Emergency Brake her car should have come to a very gentle stop and prevented her from crashing into Raymond's living room. Is this correct????
BingCherry11 please, get some help
Yes, definitely. It should have stopped straight away
Still waiting on this disaster you talked about.
Just more stuff to break
I don’t condone this
Too late. It already happened.
I would never buy a car with an electronic parking brake... they are horrible .. I hired a car once and it had one, and I hated it!
I don't see a reason why the mechanical E brake is better than electronic E brake the mechanical one are very cheap and the cable get worn out after a five , 7 years max and they have nothing to do with safety and it took a huge space in the interior and add a lot of weight just like the opposite of the electronic e brake unless you only need it to perform some lame drift if it's for that reason just go and buy a rear wheel vehicle so you won't get bothered if the brake is electronic or mechanical
The Night Fury Your comment is filled with so much misinformation that it’s not even funny.
@@kuro_shinigami7526 cheap part cheap repair
@@kuro_shinigami7526 I prefer the mechanical as you can physically control how much you’re applying the brakes in a stop if your foot brake dies, like what happened to me today, and certain cars, I think mazdas and a few others don’t let you use it when you’re moving
Wondering who is the poor soul who had bought this Accord with a busted parking brake pad!
It uses the service brake pads so don't think it will hurt any thing
VSA should be off
Why? I drive Acura so I’m curious
Whaaat? I was so sure it wouldn't works! :D
when a person titles their video with a word that does not fit the content then what ever that person says should be treated with a huge pinch of salt, this video only proves that the 'author' lies..
He was so busy with this video, that he forgot to shave...
Thanks for reviewing this! I own a newer civic and have been curious about this for some time.