Moose and other big game animals don’t do R&D the die just as readily with a 270 or 30-06 in 2024 as they did in 1964. All these new super bullets are just marketing hype and not necessarily the best and not needed. What is needed is for hunters to be proficient with their tool of choice and not make 500+ yard shots on animals when they have never spent the time and effort to become proficient at those ranges. It’s the same story every year. Guys lined up at the gun counter the day before the season opens looking for that super gun that will make up for their lack of preparation for the season. They take their newly bore sighted 300super hyper mag out and when they miss because they never bothered to take the time at the range they are back to the drawing board because that rifle just couldn’t get it done. The best moose cartridge /caliber is the one you are proficient with and know the limitations of. Don’t fall for the marketing hype ,get out there and learn to be competent and comfortable with the gun you have. P.S. most people can’t shoot a magnum rifle without flinching anyway which removes any advantage it might have.
Nice ad, but 270 Win will get that wolf at 500 and the charging bear IF you are proficient enough to make those hits. The 300 PRC ammo is about 2x the cost of 270 Win AND packs nearly 2x the recoil, so which do you think one could become more proficient with? Moose and elk are taken with arrows quite efficiently, so a magnum is less important than good shot placement.
The 270 is a wicked cartridge. He isn't saying it isn't. He is saying there are now choices which are more adapt to longer shots on large animals that can provide some advtage over the 270. The 300 prc isn't better. It's just different. It's all about usable case capacity, standard twist rates, standard throat lengths, as well as the case design/powder column cross-sectional area. The 270 has a standard twist rate that is too slow to stabilize long heavy for caliber high ballistic coefficient bullets for longer shots with less drift and less drop and more residual energy on target for best bullet terminal performance on a game target. Factory built 270 rifles have short thoats, slow twist rates and most available ammo are loaded with bullets that have dismal b.c.that means you can't shoot long range projectiles and even if you could you'd need to stuff then so far down into the case to fit the factory throat that you'd lose mega powder capcity and lose fps and ultimately performance. Another small detail is that the shorter fatter powder column used in the prc has long been proven to be more efficient. Look at the 300 win mag and 300 wsm. The wsm will duplicate its performance with a fairly significant amount less powder due to its large cross sectional area on the powder column, which provides more burn face, which equals a more efficient burn and pressure build. So, a shorter barrel can be used with the same performance as the other cartridge in a longer barrel or superior performance when both have the same barrel length. With the old 270, you simply cannot load heavy for caliber bullets to take the most advantage out of it for a few reasons, which are stated above. It's still a great cartridge, but for long-range heavy payloads on living targets, there are better choices now because of better engineering. It doesn't mean the 300prc is better than a 270. It just means it's a different tool for a different job. In the end, you can kill a moose with a 22 Hornet. Isn't it a great choice? Nope. But it'll kill one with the proper shot placement and range. Is the 270 capable of killing a moose? Yes! Is the 300 prc capable of killing a moose? Yes! Is one better than the other? That depends on the range, wind, shot placement, bullet construction, etc. But one thing can not be ignored. The 300 prc will allow for more difficult shooting options and shot placement options. Pick the poison that best suits your hunting siutation and go enjoy the outdoors. That's all that matters
@@JohnDoe-zr8tq so is 300 Win Mag, 7mm Rem Mag, 257,270,300 Weatherby Mags which predate the PRCs by decades. It was an advertisment for a particular mfg's cartridge, which really doesn't do anything more that those I just listed.
@williamgaines9784 I tried the polite approach but you cannot not fucking read I guess. Twist rates. Fire a 245 oal berger in those and tell me how it works with a factory 10 twist barrel you simple minded twat. They cannot throat them and they cannot stabilize them. Plain and simple unless you rebarrel to non standard rates JUST like the prc runs. Your skull is thick eh hubter fudd...
Jim was talking about longer range shooting on living animals. If you want to see what WORKS all you need to do is go to elr shoot and see what others are using and what the winners' podium contrstsnts are holding for rifle chamberings. You won't see ANY belted mags for a reason nor will you see a 270. Nuff said. Fact is modern cartridges with modern bullets will win everytime and the results of thousands of shoots across the world prove this simple fact. Hunter fudds just can't understand the science, clearly. Your stuck in 1970. I bet you think the 222 is better then a 22 ppc as well eh.... Ya case design has NOTHING to do with the fact that the ppc series sets the standard for accuracy. The case is short and fat for a reason, not by chance. You also no doubt think that the decades old 350 Chevy is a more fuel efficient and long term reliable engine and overall better than a modern V8 too with that line of thinking.
Lol belted mags. I love it. Your head really is buried in the sand if you think they can hold a candle to modern cases. Headspace consistency important, belt mags DONT help accurate loadings. Cam they be accurate? Hell yes. Are they better then modern cases? Hell no. 338 win mag or 340 weatherby wins how many elr shoots? None. 338 lapua, 338 edge, 338 rum, 338 norma win how many? Lots. Hmmmm no belts on those.... hmmmmmm I wonder why they are on the winners podium.... must because they fell for fake marketing eh... nope it's because science and physics proves they work better on many different fronts. Just because you might not be able to afford throwing money around to stay on top of the times with the new stuff, doesn't me you should hate on it. Judging by your closed mind approach i can practically guarantee with your hunting and shooting style you DONT need the need stuff. Shoot a moose at 800 meters and let me know how that 270 works. But your also not handling either I'm sure so again you dont need the new stuff. Which I will note there is nothing wrong with running lower tech gear to save money as the important part is we enjoy the outsoors. Each person's situation is different. Your old 270 is fine like I said. It just doesn't hold a candle to the new stuff. Example. 270 wsm. The case design is more efficient and does more with less. But I guess if buying new dies, new brass and a new gun was out of my financial means, I'd close my mind to that facts and hate on it too.... lol Common man, the 270 is a great cartridge. I agree. But it's not the best nor the most efficient. End of story. Quit arguing fruitless points when you don't know your external ballistics or internal ballistics as well as physics.
All good until you go into a local store 60 miles from nowhere and ask the guy for a box of 300 PRC 😂he moves the 30-06, 308, 300 win mag and 270s then asks what are you looking for 😂
What? you believe in that BS that every convenient store and small-town store all carry every ammo every made. That is the most stupid Parrot mouth talk BS. I've never seen ammo in a 7-11 store or Plaid Pantry store, but you believe there is, so you buy a Slurpy and ammo!
You might find this interesting is for many years guiding in Alaska I used a 338 win mag and then came a chance to buy cheap a new CZ 550 for $200 in 9.3x62 Mauser that turned out if used for out to350 yards the large 9.3 mm 286 Grain Barns TSX bullet was far more deadly than the 338 but the 338 exceled at the further ranges. It came down to the larger and heavy 9.3 bullet just took everything out of bears and Moose to make them give up !
@@robertoaiello9342 The 338 win magnum isn't hard to find here in the Pacific NW or in Alaska. If you can't find 338 win mag ammo then you must be a resident of an east coast state. Where I am at currently in the Pacific NW the 338 magnums are as popular as 7 mm & 300 magnums. I have used a 338 win mag when guiding Alaskan brown bear hunts to Yukon Moose hunts and my father and I have used the 338 win mag for hunting Roosevelt Elk and Black tail deer. From game kills I have seen the 338 win mag used for that cartridge has authority to sledgehammer any game that walks!
@@robertoaiello9342 I looked up 338 mag ammo sold in Montana and I found an endless amount for sale and even called to see if the store has it in the store and it was yes. So, what I think of you is a RUclips troll! You must assume everyone is your age a teenager video war gamer and ignorant & stupid that someone wouldn't check up on the things you said.
@Paul-q3m7k Paul, While I Can Shoot a Bonded 180 grain Woodleigh Weldcore Bullet Out of Mine - Your Incorrect With Your Statement! WHY? Because My Grandfather's 270 Winchester Killed The #3 ALL TIME BIGGEST Boone an Crockett Moose and The #5 ALL TIME BIGGEST Wild Bison (Among Other Record Book Animals)! 🫎🦬 You and Our Host Here Need To Learn How To Hunt Better! 🤪 Hell, Fred Bear Killed Everything on The Planet With a Homemade 40 lb Recurve Bow! Simply Put: "FACTS, NOT FEELINGS - YOU ARE WRONG!!!" 😜
@Paul-q3m7k 🕵♂️ Where is Your Record Book Moose Paul? My Grandfather's 270 Winchester Killed The #3 Boone and Crockett Bull Moose? 🫎 So, YOUR WRONG! 😳
its all about marketing for a new caliber with patented ammo to make the Hornady's a lot of money. I will stick with the 3006 and 300 WINMAG. Jim has gotta be in this for the money which is a sad thing for such a great hunter.
Ummmm... sorry to let you know but you are wrong, the 300 PRC cartridge is SAAMI standardized, it's open to anyone and everyone to produce and use and as such it is NOT patented nor restricted in its use by any legal protections of any kind.... not sure where your getting your info from pal
@nathanadrian7797 No clearly your blind Nathan because I DIDN'T say ANYTHING about it being or not being a paid advertisement you idiot. Clearly, if you weren't the one who is blind or better yet if you could actually read what I wrote to the original poster then youd understand thay I said the 300 prc is NOT patented and made zero mention about a it being or not being a paid advertisement you fool. Man idiots are born everyday and your might be king of them. Learn to open your eyes, read and understand the context of someone's message before you hurl insults your dim wit twat head.
The 270 is a wicked cartridge. He isn't saying it isn't. He is saying there are now choices which are more adapt to longer shots on large animals that can provide some advtage over the 270. The 300 prc isn't better. It's just different. It's all about usable case capacity, standard twist rates, standard throat lengths, as well as the case design/powder column cross-sectional area. The 270 has a standard twist rate that is too slow to stabilize long heavy for caliber high ballistic coefficient bullets for longer shots with less drift and less drop and more residual energy on target for best bullet terminal performance on a game target. Factory built 270 rifles have short thoats, slow twist rates and most available ammo are loaded with bullets that have dismal b.c.that means you can't shoot long range projectiles and even if you could you'd need to stuff then so far down into the case to fit the factory throat that you'd lose mega powder capcity and lose fps and ultimately performance. Another small detail is that the shorter fatter powder column used in the prc has long been proven to be more efficient. Look at the 300 win mag and 300 wsm. The wsm will duplicate its performance with a fairly significant amount less powder due to its large cross sectional area on the powder column, which provides more burn face, which equals a more efficient burn and pressure build. So, a shorter barrel can be used with the same performance as the other cartridge in a longer barrel or superior performance when both have the same barrel length. With the old 270, you simply cannot load heavy for caliber bullets to take the most advantage out of it for a few reasons, which are stated above. It's still a great cartridge, but for long-range heavy payloads on living targets, there are better choices now because of better engineering. It doesn't mean the 300prc is better than a 270. It just means it's a different tool for a different job. In the end, you can kill a moose with a 22 Hornet. Isn't it a great choice? Nope. But it'll kill one with the proper shot placement and range. Is the 270 capable of killing a moose? Yes! Is the 300 prc capable of killing a moose? Yes! Is one better than the other? That depends on the range, wind, shot placement, bullet construction, etc. But one thing can not be ignored. The 300 prc will allow for more difficult shooting options and shot placement options. Pick the poison that best suits your hunting siutation and go enjoy the outdoors. That's all that matters
Here in western Canada, theres been a few thousand moose, grizzly bear, elk, and BISON harvested with old .303 british surplus army rifles that used to sell for $ 10.00 each at Marshalls hardware store in Kelowna (British Columbia)--sixty years ago mind you. I'm sure the 300PRC is a fine cartridge in many ways, but you can't find it in smaller towns, and I like to keep hunting/harvesting of big game traditional, with traditional cartridges. Society is learning the hard way, that the traditional ways and values, are the best ways !!
I have countless travels through your area as an Alaska going from Alaska to the lower 48 back and forth and driving the Cassiar Highway or going to Prince Ruppert to catch the ferry going to Ketchikan AK. Those Dease lake Nasty's are the rottenest people on the full trip and now I just pass on through Dease lake not stopping ever there again. The Canadian Mounty stopped me just before Dease lake and reamed me out for being an American and driving 3 miles an hour over the speed limit then he carried on more expressing his hate for all Alaskans.
Only if you really knew just how bad it is these guns writers and guns & ammo paid guys what BS they will say and do because they are paid to BS the public. I have 30 years of guiding hunters from Alaska to the Pacific NW. Twice I have been in other guided camps when gun & ammo Wrighter's was in camp and this guy is in the tier 1 of gun writers, but what a lying stooge this guy was who had to have his booze and hookers from the Alaskan Bush company in Anchorage flown to hunting camp where we only seen the gun writer stooge at meals with his 2 hookers and the rest of their time was spent in his outfitters wall tent having sex or to come out to pee and crap. When a client guided by another client killed a massive moose the gun writer took photos of himself by the moose and that became the basis of his Alaskan moose hunting story for the gun magazine with all the companies that furnished guns - ammo and gear listed used on the hunt and paid the stooge to write the garbage he used the gear. In another camp I worked in the very same happened by a gun writer stooge for Outdoor life magazine - the same lying BS came out in the magazine when the stooge never left camp then took photos of the other clients Moose so to write a store that it was, he who killed the moose.
That's your opinion Jim. My hunting group uses 270, 308, 30-06 and 300WM and I know of a few others that still use the 303, all with great success. The difference is, we don't get paid to advertise for an ammo company
My 300 win mag hand loads match 300 prc identically. Hornady just refuses to load their heavier, high bc bullets in the win mag because it would make the prc irrelevant.
@@Dfleuryoutdoors Your wrong with that statement. Hornady doesn't load high bc bullets in the 300 win mag ammo because the SAAMI standardized twist rate of 1:10" will not stabize heavy bullets I.e long for caliber eld type (secant ogive) bullet profiles without major stability issues aka accuracy and terminal performance issue's. The factory manufactured ammunition they produce needs to meet SAAMI standardized specifications so the ammo they make will work with ALL factory produced (SAAMI standardized chambers). The 300 PRC has a SAAMI standardized twist rate of 1:8 which is a significant difference (more) in gyroscope stability (rpm) vs the slower 1:10" SAAMI tesit rate found in nearly all factory chambered 300 win mag rifles for the same 30 caliber bore diamter the bullet cross sectional area. Second to that, your 300 win mag chamber has minimal throat relief cut into it as the SAAMI reamer specs don't call for a long throat as the chamber was NEVER designed for bullets of such dimensions as those bullets simply did NOT exist in 1963 as they were short and stubby flat base tangent ogive bullets in that era which did not need such deep throat, parden the pun lol. When I say eld type bullets think heavy for caliber short bearing surface secant eld type bullets such as 245gr extreme butter limits bergers for example which are like daggers. Your 300 win mag unless rebarreled with aftermarket fast twist barrel and custom chambered with a non SAAMI approved modified (custom designed and ground) 300 win mag reamer and or throated reamed for long COAL dimensions, will absolutely NOT match the 300 PRC loads as your rifles SAAMI 300 win mag chamber simply cannot seat those super long bullets out far enough without absolutely killing case capacity by having 1" of bullet stuffed down into the case body, but really that in itself only kills achieved velocity, none of that really matters as your (presumably) 300 win mags FACTORY 10 twist barrel simply cannot stabize those modern long bullet profiles and as such would provide terrible accuracy with bullet yawning and pitching aka tumbling before long due to lack of gyroscopic stability from being under spin stabilzed. Is the 300 prc better then the 300 win mag for hunting at short ranges? Absolutely not. Is the 300 prc better then the 300 win mag for driving ultra high ballistic coefficient secant ogive short bearing surface extremely low drag bullets then the 300 win mag? Absolutely yes. For long range shooting competition is the 300 PRC a better cartridge then the 300 win mag? Absolutely yes. With its short fatter powder column and modern shoulder angle it gets more with less so to speak with a small but useful improvement of speed increase per grain of powder, as well as it's beltless case offering far far far better headpace consistency for better accuracy as well as longer brass life due to less taper and and the lack of belt bulging problems. Of course one can also minimize shoulder bump to headspace off the shoulder a thou or two before the belt but again, we are speaking about cartridge design for performance here so lets just admit, the 300 PRC SAAMI standardized design is BETTER the 300 win mag SAAMI standardized design when we look at it as a pure performance contest. Are the differences huge when we are speaking if just case design and not twsit rate and throat depth? In the hands of skilled rifleman and reloader, I'd say minimal. But that faster 300 PRC twist rate and longer throat do allow for much much much more slippery bullets to be correctly used for a significant performance gain. So in the end, if all things were equal as in two custom built rifles of each chambering with equal twists and trbaot lengths for long bullets the performance differences between them would be very minimal. But that's not that we talking about. We are talking about factory made hunting rifles, in which there is stark differences between the two. I own both and love both for what they are made for. All cartidges in my book are great as I see them each for what they are, a variation on a tool that is optimized for a certain tast or outcome. But your statement about the performance being the same and that hornady won't load the high BC bullets in the 300 win mag is simply isn't correct when we look at the differences in a more scientific approach and not a around the campfire hunter myth approach.
@JohnDoe-zr8tq my savage has a 1-9 twist and my browning has a 1-8 twist straight from the factory so you don't need a custom barrel for a faster twist rate. That being a said the standard 1-10 twist will stabilize the 212eldx which is the heaviest hunting bullet that hornady offers the military shot the 220 grain smk with a standard 1-10 twist and they were effective out to 1500 yards with it. Yes when you get into 230 grain bullets and above, you'll certainly need a faster twist rate, but the average person won't ever shoot those bullets. Unless your shooting extreme ELR there's no reason for those extremely heavy bullets.
All BS. The good old calibers of 50 + years ago will kill moose and any other game just as good as any of these new calibers that seem to be coming out every week. All these talking heads are doing is trying to bamboozle you into buying new guns that won't kill game any better than your old ones.
@@aaronpudlicki7418 In my opinion people shouldn't be shooting at game at 500 plus yards. Within that range most all of the old standard calibers will get the job done as good as any of these new ones. Seems like these days everyone thinks they can shoot game at sniper ranges just because they have been brainwashed into thinking that these new guns, scopes and calibers will make them instant Chris Kyle's or Carlos Hathcock's.
your right theres no such thing as the new game changer a 180g bullet going 2900fps out of one cartrige is the same 180gr 2900fps out of another. all give and take up to 200 fps and i dought anything is going to notice that. 7rem mag still kills so does a 300wsm or win mag. its all about the quality of bullet construction and the "new" high bc bullets in my opinon are not up to snuff in many situations.
Right. 80 years later and is it really so superior to the 300 Weatherby? I have a 6.5 Creedmoor, not because it is the best possible but because I couldn't get a 6.5 Swede for the same price.
Main bullet marketed is 212 eldx in the 300prc, and that is a terrible and even dangerous load when hunting moose when a chance exists to see bears. It blows up under 50yds without sufficient penetration. Terrible round availability too.
I’m sick of paid off personalities pushing all these over hyped Hornady calibers! If a 300 PRC is good then my 300 Rum is way better. But I’ll admit it’s all over kill. Something like the tried and true 7 mm rem mag is probably the best all around North American big game caliber ever. Especially with todays bonded and all copper bullets ! And I’ve never owned one till recently and still haven’t hunted it. I also believe the 280 AI is as close to perfection as you can get that’s why I’m building one now.
Everyone has their own opinions and favourites. Mine is .338 win mag with a 185gr. BarnesX. With that being said, you put the bullet in either the computer or the carburetor, it will lay down and stop doing everything. I’ve been able to do this at ranges between 100-400 yards. Anything further than that, you should be able to get a little closer. If not, you’re doing something really wrong.
Before jim was sponsored by all the hig wigs. He always said that his favorite was a 338 rum and minimum was a 300 win mag. Anything bigger was better. Idk sounds like more of a marketing commercial than anything
He sure knows how to pimp out for his sponsors. Hornaday, Christensen rifles, Leupold scopes, Havalon knives, Yeti coolers. He's never seen in a video or photo without a shameless plug for one of them.
I traded in my 300 win mag for a 300 PRC and never looked back. I really like the 300 PRC. I also still use a 7mm rem mag for medium sized and closer range game.
People who have always been able to reliably and efficiently take game with a 100 year old caliber ( and maybe a gun) just need a reliable source of components/ammunition and not anything new. There's still a million fudds like me who know how to consistently and humanely take big game with a $100.00 pawn shop rifle and a $20.00 used scope and wallyworld ammo.
@@maxpinson5002 one of buddies used a 303 modified to sporter and he bought the rifle for $15 maybe $100 on the scope. It killed everything that he hit. Nowadays the tech in the BULLETS are what make a rifle caliber better. But if they didn’t make new calibers in new rifle styles the gun companies would be out of business.
@@blaynemacpherson8519 Companies like the old original Remington of Ilion NY had a thriving business besides their firearms of selling ammunition and components for loading and at one time, tree stands for deer hunting, outdoor apparel, and firearms accessories, etc. They bought out 2 very old companies in Marlin and Harrington & Richardson, but still managed to nosedive into the dirt because of mis management. The Henry firearms company is fairly thriving and they don't make anything groundbreaking. Most all of what they sell are their version of old traditional designs. Anthony Imperato loves his company and his products and cares about his customers. It's not just an investment for him to glance at a printed report a few times a year at a board meeting. It's a personal thing to me because I've worked for several companies that were run into the ground by buyouts by " investment groups " while the employees were busting their butts to make the company successful
Jim...come on man. Hornadys marketing machine was at work on you for 5 days. Probably came with a decent paycheck. But really? Prc over 30 Nosler, 300 Weatherby or RUM? No sir.
Jimbo ! Your old 300wby outperforms the 300prc , but no moose will know the difference. 300wsm , 300win mag and several other cartridges will do the same thing ! Sure wish I could afford to hunt moose with you. I'll have to just keep watching your videos instead. Cheers man
If you want the 300 PRC buy it in a quality firearm. Stay away from Christensen Arms, especially the Ridgeline. I sent mine back to CA for accuracy issues. Slapped a new barrel on it (that’s what they told me) and it’s still $2700 paper weight. 7mm mag and 160gr Accubonds for me.
@@joztunes69 Go ahead because AR 10s built in 300 WSM are only built by custom rifle builders, and no commercial company builds them. Even KAK industries sold out for many years of the AR 10 uppers in 300 WSM the company bought from a custom gun builder in Barrens Colorado who no longer will sell to sites selling guns and gun parts. The AR 10 uppers aren't an ATF item because it is the serial numbered lower receiver is the ATF controlled part. Seems you have a deep lack of knowledge of all firearms.
Im just not with these new fancy PRC cartridges, sorry but I'll stick the the tried and true caliber's not in a PRC, call me old school but sometimes the ole ways are best
@@aaronpudlicki7418 they push a bigger bullet more efficiently, never had doubts about that, one can look at the down range ballistics and tell that, but in ethical ranges 400 yards and in IMO, the standard calibers do just fine, I don't hunt moose, I'd love to, it's my dream animal to go hunt, but I live in MS, the biggest thing you'll hunt is whitetail, some folks may have places to hunt where they can shoot 700 yards, but I don't, wouldn't take a shot at 700 even if I could, it it makes its way to 400 or less well talk business but I don't hunt anywhere near somewhere you can shoot that far, my furthest shot is maybe 100 yards, most are 20-40 yards, so PRC's deff arnt needed for me, I'm not knocking people who wanna buy one and do it, hey go for it, there just not for me, if I did own a 300 win mag or WSM and did have a place I could make that kinda shot as long as I've got a proper bullet for it I'd run it without it ever crossing my mind "man I wish I had a PRC instead of this win mag or wsm"
@@aaronpudlicki7418 it's all personal preference, several several videos talking ab 7RM & 7PRC show there's not a whole lot of gain to be had from the 7PRC from the 7RM shooting a 175, sure some velocity and a little bit of ft.lbs of energy, but that's where the right bullet comes into play alot, my 7RM has a 1:8 twist, shoots 175's MOA with factory loads and sub moa with hand loads, but it's all up to the shooter on which he needs or wants really, if you've got a rem mag there's no need to go buy a PRC, if your starting from scratch maybe check out the PRC, but since I've already got the non PRC cartridges they'll do me just fine no matter my situation
@@aaronpudlicki7418that’s BS I live in Alaska 30-06 ,300 win mag 300 prc and 338s It’s shot placement the old ones are not any different Then the new 30s I can see a difference as I go walking to caliber
I have hunted with a number of different calibres. There is no replacement for shot placement. Shot placement is not marketable so the B.S. will continue.
So you were told that .270 was good by lifelong hunters, si now with all that technology research and development the 270 should be better right, oh nonono we have to go spend a lot of $$$&$$ to harvest the same quarry, right I get it
Sorry to hear about your bad experience with the Dease Lake folks. I lived in the Okanagan Valley in the mid to late sixties and loved the geography and the people. We moved there from Washington state, and once I did hear some jerk yell "Yankee go home" as my late mother and I drove through a parking lot with our Washington plates still on our car. But that was the only time I ever experienced negative treatment from the locals. Theres been so much excessive immigration to Canada that the native born folks do have a bit of a bad attitude to foreigners. That mountie was a jerk to say the least, most are respectful to everyone but unfortunately theres a few who are bigots. I hope you have better luck on future travels in B.C. Sincerely, Garth L.
Downsized my 300 RUM to 300 WSM. Mainly because you DON"T stick to a 300 RUM, you just get mule kicked into the Twilight Zone,,, However, I do have one bad a-- RUM load with 205 Gr, 2980FPS, that I call the Grim Reaper.
@@erikwilson7622 i dont feel the kick with my 300 RUM even with the brake removed... Guess I'm use to it? My 375 RUM hurts the shoulder though even with a brake.
@@tripplebeards3427 I'm just being stupid, I actually love my RUM, and used for many years, I just switched to the WSM, mainly for short action, and lighter weight, little more handy.
@@erikwilson7622 To be honest the "new shoes" wore off with mine decades ago. I have shot a few huge black bear, pronghorn, and whitetail with it. Just dont like dumping a 100 grains of powder in a load when my 30-06, 35 rem, and 35 whelen kills just as well will less than half the powder charge. I save the caliber for special hunts only now. Brass is expensive and hard to come by as well. I cant see more than a 150 yards in my woods so imo its a pretty usless cartridge around here. Still will keep it in my aresenal.
Its all horse manure folks. Sure theres new powders, bullets, and optics that optimize a rifle's capabilities but its across the noard for all of them. The old 270win, the 30-06, and old 338win type rifles still work just as well as back in the 50's and 60's. Our new bullets and amazing new optics and ballistic profiles and data also work with them. Even the old school bullets like Hornady Interlock, Speer Hot Core, Power Point, and Core Lokt will still take game. These huckster low level celeb type hunters are just working for rifle and bullet ammo companies to try to sell you and tell you thst your good old hunting setup just doesnt cut it. They want in your wallet. The best thing you can do is just use what you already own and optimize it.
Physics do not lie… 125grain arrow at 300 - 350 fps maybe 80 ft lbs of energy kills everything (with proper shot placement). I have always loved my mild, cheap shooting 270!!! Next year just to show everyone I will use my 260! Still luv ya Jim.
We are all entitled to our favourites and so is this guy. 300PRC will certainly kill moose and yield exit wounds. My favourite is 300WSM. If I were to try a different cartridge I would be interested in trying 7PRC. Cheers!
Physics do not lie… 125grain arrow at 300 - 350 fps maybe 80 ft lbs of energy kills everything (with proper shot placement). I have always loved my mild, cheap shooting 270!!! Next year just to show everyone I will use my 260!
I've watched this man hunt all my life. I love his shows and respect what he says. But and its a big but. The always and ever pushing of sponsorship has a huge impact on what we're told is the best. If ya look at the numbers the 300 win mag is just as good and if ya own one already save your money. I can promise you almost any hunting camp will have 300 wm ammo in it good luck finding 300prc. Especially if your in a town that might just have a mom and pop store. I'll promise you 300 prc wont be on the shelves. When ya take hunting trips airlines have a good way of losing your stuff. Id rather have something i know i can find ammunition for.
Don't own a 300 prc. But i think i know why he recommended that round. Hornady is for sure in the business to sell ammo. The PRC lineup has very heavy bullet selections. Ballistic coefficients and sectional densities are adding distance and accuracy, which in turn create in the field advantages. If you're going to buy a new rifle for a once in a lifetime moose hunt. Take advantage of Hornady's advancements.
There's no such thing as half a kilometre shots in thick multimillenary birch forests. Where I hunt, big game is shot at handshaking distance and I hunt bears in conjunction with moose. I use a double-barrelled rifle chambered for the 9,3x74 R calibre, for a quick followup shot.
Yes you can take a moose with just about anything, the saying Shoot what you shoot accurately, applies. However, I would opt for a 300 Mag version. There are places the actual Moose is located, that you want them to be on the ground ASAP. Yukon moose especially, as they are ultra massive, and you don't want it to stumble into a pond, creek, river,,,,
I think Jim is great but I'm starting to dislike Hornady quite a bit. The prcs are over hyped and their bullets are average at best. I like nosler and Barnes better. I think this video was 100% trying to push marketing here. I thought maybe 300 win mag or 338 might have actually been the better choice excluding marketing.
Good point Craig, a 338 or larger is better for grizzly, and Nosler and especially Barnes are better bullets than Hornady with the exception their new all copper bullet--the CX or something like that.
I’ve always enjoyed your videos Jim but I strongly disagree with what you’ve said. If a person can’t accurately shoot a rifle because the recoil is too great they won’t practice with it. If they don’t practice they can’t be counted on to make the shot when it comes up because they are scared of the gun and flinching. As a guide and outfitter I’m sure you have given the advice to bring what you shoot well. Shot placement is the key. A .300 PRC in the paunch is far less effective than a .270 in the lungs.
Seems more like this Shockey guy is doing a plug advertisement for Hornady. One of his sponsors than a real evaluation of moose calibers of which he mentions none of that.
The 270 is a wicked cartridge. He isn't saying it isn't. He is saying there are now choices which are more adapt to longer shots on large animals that can provide some advtage over the 270. The 300 prc isn't better. It's just different. It's all about usable case capacity, standard twist rates, standard throat lengths, as well as the case design/powder column cross-sectional area. The 270 has a standard twist rate that is too slow to stabilize long heavy for caliber high ballistic coefficient bullets for longer shots with less drift and less drop and more residual energy on target for best bullet terminal performance on a game target. Factory built 270 rifles have short thoats, slow twist rates and most available ammo are loaded with bullets that have dismal b.c.that means you can't shoot long range projectiles and even if you could you'd need to stuff then so far down into the case to fit the factory throat that you'd lose mega powder capcity and lose fps and ultimately performance. Another small detail is that the shorter fatter powder column used in the prc has long been proven to be more efficient. Look at the 300 win mag and 300 wsm. The wsm will duplicate its performance with a fairly significant amount less powder due to its large cross sectional area on the powder column, which provides more burn face, which equals a more efficient burn and pressure build. So, a shorter barrel can be used with the same performance as the other cartridge in a longer barrel or superior performance when both have the same barrel length. With the old 270, you simply cannot load heavy for caliber bullets to take the most advantage out of it for a few reasons, which are stated above. It's still a great cartridge, but for long-range heavy payloads on living targets, there are better choices now because of better engineering. It doesn't mean the 300prc is better than a 270. It just means it's a different tool for a different job. In the end, you can kill a moose with a 22 Hornet. Isn't it a great choice? Nope. But it'll kill one with the proper shot placement and range. Is the 270 capable of killing a moose? Yes! Is the 300 prc capable of killing a moose? Yes! Is one better than the other? That depends on the range, wind, shot placement, bullet construction, etc. But one thing can not be ignored. The 300 prc will allow for more difficult shooting options and shot placement options. Pick the poison that best suits your hunting situation and go enjoy the outdoors. That's all that matters Im just happy to see new options for people and a market that isnt stagnating. Peope, forget these shooting sports companies operate in a capitalistic market and need to turn a profit. They do this by staying relevant with the times and that means investing into R&D which means they can sell more products, which means our industry contintues to thrive. If you dont want a 300 prc, dont buy one! Simple as that. And if you do, go buy one. Just be happy we have the choices we have guys.
I can't blame Mr Shockey for getting paid but its a little disheartening that nosler were the only bullets to use in his opinion and now they must be garbage since the sponsorship has changed. I am sure the folks at hornady are great people. Money ruins everything.
Mr. Shockey, you just made a bunch of grown men cry 🤣😂😅 I personally love how Hornady is updating and modernizing all the old classics. A 300PRC rifle is on my wishlist.
Moose and other big game animals don’t do R&D the die just as readily with a 270 or 30-06 in 2024 as they did in 1964. All these new super bullets are just marketing hype and not necessarily the best and not needed. What is needed is for hunters to be proficient with their tool of choice and not make 500+ yard shots on animals when they have never spent the time and effort to become proficient at those ranges.
It’s the same story every year. Guys lined up at the gun counter the day before the season opens looking for that super gun that will make up for their lack of preparation for the season. They take their newly bore sighted 300super hyper mag out and when they miss because they never bothered to take the time at the range they are back to the drawing board because that rifle just couldn’t get it done.
The best moose cartridge /caliber is the one you are proficient with and know the limitations of. Don’t fall for the marketing hype ,get out there and learn to be competent and comfortable with the gun you have.
P.S. most people can’t shoot a magnum rifle without flinching anyway which removes any advantage it might have.
Hey Jim I love watching your hunting videos, the commercials,not so much.
Dare I ask how much Hornady pays for your endorsement.
Nice ad, but 270 Win will get that wolf at 500 and the charging bear IF you are proficient enough to make those hits. The 300 PRC ammo is about 2x the cost of 270 Win AND packs nearly 2x the recoil, so which do you think one could become more proficient with?
Moose and elk are taken with arrows quite efficiently, so a magnum is less important than good shot placement.
The 270 is a wicked cartridge. He isn't saying it isn't. He is saying there are now choices which are more adapt to longer shots on large animals that can provide some advtage over the 270. The 300 prc isn't better. It's just different.
It's all about usable case capacity, standard twist rates, standard throat lengths, as well as the case design/powder column cross-sectional area. The 270 has a standard twist rate that is too slow to stabilize long heavy for caliber high ballistic coefficient bullets for longer shots with less drift and less drop and more residual energy on target for best bullet terminal performance on a game target.
Factory built 270 rifles have short thoats, slow twist rates and most available ammo are loaded with bullets that have dismal b.c.that means you can't shoot long range projectiles and even if you could you'd need to stuff then so far down into the case to fit the factory throat that you'd lose mega powder capcity and lose fps and ultimately performance.
Another small detail is that the shorter fatter powder column used in the prc has long been proven to be more efficient. Look at the 300 win mag and 300 wsm. The wsm will duplicate its performance with a fairly significant amount less powder due to its large cross sectional area on the powder column, which provides more burn face, which equals a more efficient burn and pressure build. So, a shorter barrel can be used with the same performance as the other cartridge in a longer barrel or superior performance when both have the same barrel length.
With the old 270, you simply cannot load heavy for caliber bullets to take the most advantage out of it for a few reasons, which are stated above. It's still a great cartridge, but for long-range heavy payloads on living targets, there are better choices now because of better engineering. It doesn't mean the 300prc is better than a 270. It just means it's a different tool for a different job.
In the end, you can kill a moose with a 22 Hornet. Isn't it a great choice? Nope. But it'll kill one with the proper shot placement and range.
Is the 270 capable of killing a moose? Yes! Is the 300 prc capable of killing a moose? Yes! Is one better than the other? That depends on the range, wind, shot placement, bullet construction, etc. But one thing can not be ignored. The 300 prc will allow for more difficult shooting options and shot placement options.
Pick the poison that best suits your hunting siutation and go enjoy the outdoors. That's all that matters
@@JohnDoe-zr8tq so is 300 Win Mag, 7mm Rem Mag, 257,270,300 Weatherby Mags which predate the PRCs by decades. It was an advertisment for a particular mfg's cartridge, which really doesn't do anything more that those I just listed.
@williamgaines9784 I tried the polite approach but you cannot not fucking read I guess. Twist rates. Fire a 245 oal berger in those and tell me how it works with a factory 10 twist barrel you simple minded twat. They cannot throat them and they cannot stabilize them. Plain and simple unless you rebarrel to non standard rates JUST like the prc runs. Your skull is thick eh hubter fudd...
Jim was talking about longer range shooting on living animals.
If you want to see what WORKS all you need to do is go to elr shoot and see what others are using and what the winners' podium contrstsnts are holding for rifle chamberings. You won't see ANY belted mags for a reason nor will you see a 270. Nuff said.
Fact is modern cartridges with modern bullets will win everytime and the results of thousands of shoots across the world prove this simple fact.
Hunter fudds just can't understand the science, clearly. Your stuck in 1970.
I bet you think the 222 is better then a 22 ppc as well eh....
Ya case design has NOTHING to do with the fact that the ppc series sets the standard for accuracy. The case is short and fat for a reason, not by chance.
You also no doubt think that the decades old 350 Chevy is a more fuel efficient and long term reliable engine and overall better than a modern V8 too with that line of thinking.
Lol belted mags. I love it. Your head really is buried in the sand if you think they can hold a candle to modern cases. Headspace consistency important, belt mags DONT help accurate loadings. Cam they be accurate? Hell yes. Are they better then modern cases? Hell no.
338 win mag or 340 weatherby wins how many elr shoots? None. 338 lapua, 338 edge, 338 rum, 338 norma win how many? Lots. Hmmmm no belts on those.... hmmmmmm I wonder why they are on the winners podium.... must because they fell for fake marketing eh... nope it's because science and physics proves they work better on many different fronts.
Just because you might not be able to afford throwing money around to stay on top of the times with the new stuff, doesn't me you should hate on it. Judging by your closed mind approach i can practically guarantee with your hunting and shooting style you DONT need the need stuff. Shoot a moose at 800 meters and let me know how that 270 works. But your also not handling either I'm sure so again you dont need the new stuff. Which I will note there is nothing wrong with running lower tech gear to save money as the important part is we enjoy the outsoors. Each person's situation is different. Your old 270 is fine like I said. It just doesn't hold a candle to the new stuff. Example. 270 wsm. The case design is more efficient and does more with less. But I guess if buying new dies, new brass and a new gun was out of my financial means, I'd close my mind to that facts and hate on it too.... lol
Common man, the 270 is a great cartridge. I agree. But it's not the best nor the most efficient. End of story. Quit arguing fruitless points when you don't know your external ballistics or internal ballistics as well as physics.
300 win mag developed in 1963 please tell me why other than new sales do we need the 300 prc!
All good until you go into a local store 60 miles from nowhere and ask the guy for a box of 300 PRC 😂he moves the 30-06, 308, 300 win mag and 270s then asks what are you looking for 😂
What? you believe in that BS that every convenient store and small-town store all carry every ammo every made.
That is the most stupid Parrot mouth talk BS.
I've never seen ammo in a 7-11 store or Plaid Pantry store, but you believe there is, so you buy a Slurpy and ammo!
@@MLSPlatforms Might as well ask for a box of 8 mm rem mag !
@@MLSPlatforms exactly … all these bullet manufacturers need new product to sell ! It’s all marketing bs , change a few things and hype it up
Exactly. These are the 4 calibers my hunting group uses. Can't go wrong with any of them.
Yup, good luck finding that round at a small town mama papa sporting good shop!
If Barnes told him to say this bullet in this cartridge he’d do it. Follow the money. Hard to beat a 338 win mag.
You might find this interesting is for many years guiding in Alaska I used a 338 win mag and then came a chance to buy cheap a new CZ 550 for $200 in 9.3x62 Mauser that turned out if used for out to350 yards the large 9.3 mm 286 Grain Barns TSX bullet was far more deadly than the 338 but the 338 exceled at the further ranges.
It came down to the larger and heavy 9.3 bullet just took everything out of bears and Moose to make them give up !
That's even more obscure. The 338 win mag is an amazing cartridge. But hard to find
@@robertoaiello9342 The 338 win magnum isn't hard to find here in the Pacific NW or in Alaska.
If you can't find 338 win mag ammo then you must be a resident of an east coast state.
Where I am at currently in the Pacific NW the 338 magnums are as popular as 7 mm & 300 magnums.
I have used a 338 win mag when guiding Alaskan brown bear hunts to Yukon Moose hunts and my father and I have used the 338 win mag for hunting Roosevelt Elk and Black tail deer.
From game kills I have seen the 338 win mag used for that cartridge has authority to sledgehammer any game that walks!
@Lure-Benson I live in SW Montana. It's hard to find. I've yet to see any in Helena, Bozeman, Butte, or Missoula.
@@robertoaiello9342 I looked up 338 mag ammo sold in Montana and I found an endless amount for sale and even called to see if the store has it in the store and it was yes.
So, what I think of you is a RUclips troll!
You must assume everyone is your age a teenager video war gamer and ignorant & stupid that someone wouldn't check up on the things you said.
I used to look up to Jim. He can be bought and it shows.
🤠 JACK AND YOUR DAD WERE RIGHT - THE 270 WINCHESTER IS STILL #1! 😂
Incorrect . Size matters
@Paul-q3m7k Paul, While I Can Shoot a Bonded 180 grain Woodleigh Weldcore Bullet Out of Mine - Your Incorrect With Your Statement! WHY? Because My Grandfather's 270 Winchester Killed The #3 ALL TIME BIGGEST Boone an Crockett Moose and The #5 ALL TIME BIGGEST Wild Bison (Among Other Record Book Animals)! 🫎🦬 You and Our Host Here Need To Learn How To Hunt Better! 🤪 Hell, Fred Bear Killed Everything on The Planet With a Homemade 40 lb Recurve Bow! Simply Put: "FACTS, NOT FEELINGS - YOU ARE WRONG!!!" 😜
@Paul-q3m7k 🕵♂️ Where is Your Record Book Moose Paul? My Grandfather's 270 Winchester Killed The #3 Boone and Crockett Bull Moose? 🫎 So, YOUR WRONG! 😳
its all about marketing for a new caliber with patented ammo to make the Hornady's a lot of money. I will stick with the 3006 and 300 WINMAG. Jim has gotta be in this for the money which is a sad thing for such a great hunter.
You don’t know that. STFU 😂
Ummmm... sorry to let you know but you are wrong, the 300 PRC cartridge is SAAMI standardized, it's open to anyone and everyone to produce and use and as such it is NOT patented nor restricted in its use by any legal protections of any kind.... not sure where your getting your info from pal
@@JohnDoe-zr8tq If you don't recognize this as a paid advertisement, you are blind!
@nathanadrian7797 No clearly your blind Nathan because I DIDN'T say ANYTHING about it being or not being a paid advertisement you idiot. Clearly, if you weren't the one who is blind or better yet if you could actually read what I wrote to the original poster then youd understand thay I said the 300 prc is NOT patented and made zero mention about a it being or not being a paid advertisement you fool. Man idiots are born everyday and your might be king of them. Learn to open your eyes, read and understand the context of someone's message before you hurl insults your dim wit twat head.
Im confused, a .270 is still flat shooting, and it will take a wolf at 500 yds, stop a griz, and take a moose.
Ditto 30-06, which is the 270’s parent case, if you want a 30 caliber
Ill tell you a 270 on a big grizzly is under kill
The 270 is a wicked cartridge. He isn't saying it isn't. He is saying there are now choices which are more adapt to longer shots on large animals that can provide some advtage over the 270. The 300 prc isn't better. It's just different.
It's all about usable case capacity, standard twist rates, standard throat lengths, as well as the case design/powder column cross-sectional area. The 270 has a standard twist rate that is too slow to stabilize long heavy for caliber high ballistic coefficient bullets for longer shots with less drift and less drop and more residual energy on target for best bullet terminal performance on a game target.
Factory built 270 rifles have short thoats, slow twist rates and most available ammo are loaded with bullets that have dismal b.c.that means you can't shoot long range projectiles and even if you could you'd need to stuff then so far down into the case to fit the factory throat that you'd lose mega powder capcity and lose fps and ultimately performance.
Another small detail is that the shorter fatter powder column used in the prc has long been proven to be more efficient. Look at the 300 win mag and 300 wsm. The wsm will duplicate its performance with a fairly significant amount less powder due to its large cross sectional area on the powder column, which provides more burn face, which equals a more efficient burn and pressure build. So, a shorter barrel can be used with the same performance as the other cartridge in a longer barrel or superior performance when both have the same barrel length.
With the old 270, you simply cannot load heavy for caliber bullets to take the most advantage out of it for a few reasons, which are stated above. It's still a great cartridge, but for long-range heavy payloads on living targets, there are better choices now because of better engineering. It doesn't mean the 300prc is better than a 270. It just means it's a different tool for a different job.
In the end, you can kill a moose with a 22 Hornet. Isn't it a great choice? Nope. But it'll kill one with the proper shot placement and range.
Is the 270 capable of killing a moose? Yes! Is the 300 prc capable of killing a moose? Yes! Is one better than the other? That depends on the range, wind, shot placement, bullet construction, etc. But one thing can not be ignored. The 300 prc will allow for more difficult shooting options and shot placement options.
Pick the poison that best suits your hunting siutation and go enjoy the outdoors. That's all that matters
Here in western Canada, theres been a few thousand moose, grizzly bear, elk, and BISON harvested with old .303 british surplus army rifles that used to sell for $ 10.00 each at Marshalls hardware store in Kelowna (British Columbia)--sixty years ago mind you. I'm sure the 300PRC is a fine cartridge in many ways, but you can't find it in smaller towns, and I like to keep hunting/harvesting of big game traditional, with traditional cartridges. Society is learning the hard way, that the traditional ways and values, are the best ways !!
I have countless travels through your area as an Alaska going from Alaska to the lower 48 back and forth and driving the Cassiar Highway or going to Prince Ruppert to catch the ferry going to Ketchikan AK.
Those Dease lake Nasty's are the rottenest people on the full trip and now I just pass on through Dease lake not stopping ever there again.
The Canadian Mounty stopped me just before Dease lake and reamed me out for being an American and driving 3 miles an hour over the speed limit then he carried on more expressing his hate for all Alaskans.
Yes yes yes , finding 303 is getting tough also
The B.S in the outdoor industry is shameless. The money will kill the lifestyle and not a single one of them care.
Only if you really knew just how bad it is these guns writers and guns & ammo paid guys what BS they will say and do because they are paid to BS the public.
I have 30 years of guiding hunters from Alaska to the Pacific NW.
Twice I have been in other guided camps when gun & ammo Wrighter's was in camp and this guy is in the tier 1 of gun writers, but what a lying stooge this guy was who had to have his booze and hookers from the Alaskan Bush company in Anchorage flown to hunting camp where we only seen the gun writer stooge at meals with his 2 hookers and the rest of their time was spent in his outfitters wall tent having sex or to come out to pee and crap.
When a client guided by another client killed a massive moose the gun writer took photos of himself by the moose and that became the basis of his Alaskan moose hunting story for the gun magazine with all the companies that furnished guns - ammo and gear listed used on the hunt and paid the stooge to write the garbage he used the gear.
In another camp I worked in the very same happened by a gun writer stooge for Outdoor life magazine - the same lying BS came out in the magazine when the stooge never left camp then took photos of the other clients Moose so to write a store that it was, he who killed the moose.
Yep Jim has been bought !
He’s a goof
That's your opinion Jim. My hunting group uses 270, 308, 30-06 and 300WM and I know of a few others that still use the 303, all with great success. The difference is, we don't get paid to advertise for an ammo company
My 300 win mag hand loads match 300 prc identically. Hornady just refuses to load their heavier, high bc bullets in the win mag because it would make the prc irrelevant.
@@Dfleuryoutdoors Your wrong with that statement. Hornady doesn't load high bc bullets in the 300 win mag ammo because the SAAMI standardized twist rate of 1:10" will not stabize heavy bullets I.e long for caliber eld type (secant ogive) bullet profiles without major stability issues aka accuracy and terminal performance issue's. The factory manufactured ammunition they produce needs to meet SAAMI standardized specifications so the ammo they make will work with ALL factory produced (SAAMI standardized chambers).
The 300 PRC has a SAAMI standardized twist rate of 1:8 which is a significant difference (more) in gyroscope stability (rpm) vs the slower 1:10" SAAMI tesit rate found in nearly all factory chambered 300 win mag rifles for the same 30 caliber bore diamter the bullet cross sectional area. Second to that, your 300 win mag chamber has minimal throat relief cut into it as the SAAMI reamer specs don't call for a long throat as the chamber was NEVER designed for bullets of such dimensions as those bullets simply did NOT exist in 1963 as they were short and stubby flat base tangent ogive bullets in that era which did not need such deep throat, parden the pun lol. When I say eld type bullets think heavy for caliber short bearing surface secant eld type bullets such as 245gr extreme butter limits bergers for example which are like daggers.
Your 300 win mag unless rebarreled with aftermarket fast twist barrel and custom chambered with a non SAAMI approved modified (custom designed and ground) 300 win mag reamer and or throated reamed for long COAL dimensions, will absolutely NOT match the 300 PRC loads as your rifles SAAMI 300 win mag chamber simply cannot seat those super long bullets out far enough without absolutely killing case capacity by having 1" of bullet stuffed down into the case body, but really that in itself only kills achieved velocity, none of that really matters as your (presumably) 300 win mags FACTORY 10 twist barrel simply cannot stabize those modern long bullet profiles and as such would provide terrible accuracy with bullet yawning and pitching aka tumbling before long due to lack of gyroscopic stability from being under spin stabilzed.
Is the 300 prc better then the 300 win mag for hunting at short ranges? Absolutely not.
Is the 300 prc better then the 300 win mag for driving ultra high ballistic coefficient secant ogive short bearing surface extremely low drag bullets then the 300 win mag? Absolutely yes.
For long range shooting competition is the 300 PRC a better cartridge then the 300 win mag? Absolutely yes.
With its short fatter powder column and modern shoulder angle it gets more with less so to speak with a small but useful improvement of speed increase per grain of powder, as well as it's beltless case offering far far far better headpace consistency for better accuracy as well as longer brass life due to less taper and and the lack of belt bulging problems. Of course one can also minimize shoulder bump to headspace off the shoulder a thou or two before the belt but again, we are speaking about cartridge design for performance here so lets just admit, the 300 PRC SAAMI standardized design is BETTER the 300 win mag SAAMI standardized design when we look at it as a pure performance contest. Are the differences huge when we are speaking if just case design and not twsit rate and throat depth? In the hands of skilled rifleman and reloader, I'd say minimal. But that faster 300 PRC twist rate and longer throat do allow for much much much more slippery bullets to be correctly used for a significant performance gain. So in the end, if all things were equal as in two custom built rifles of each chambering with equal twists and trbaot lengths for long bullets the performance differences between them would be very minimal. But that's not that we talking about. We are talking about factory made hunting rifles, in which there is stark differences between the two.
I own both and love both for what they are made for. All cartidges in my book are great as I see them each for what they are, a variation on a tool that is optimized for a certain tast or outcome.
But your statement about the performance being the same and that hornady won't load the high BC bullets in the 300 win mag is simply isn't correct when we look at the differences in a more scientific approach and not a around the campfire hunter myth approach.
@JohnDoe-zr8tq my savage has a 1-9 twist and my browning has a 1-8 twist straight from the factory so you don't need a custom barrel for a faster twist rate. That being a said the standard 1-10 twist will stabilize the 212eldx which is the heaviest hunting bullet that hornady offers the military shot the 220 grain smk with a standard 1-10 twist and they were effective out to 1500 yards with it. Yes when you get into 230 grain bullets and above, you'll certainly need a faster twist rate, but the average person won't ever shoot those bullets. Unless your shooting extreme ELR there's no reason for those extremely heavy bullets.
300RUM! Get it Done!
All BS. The good old calibers of 50 + years ago will kill moose and any other game just as good as any of these new calibers that seem to be coming out every week. All these talking heads are doing is trying to bamboozle you into buying new guns that won't kill game any better than your old ones.
Depends on you and the hunting you do. Glad to have options rather than just be limited to a 300 win mag.
@@aaronpudlicki7418 In my opinion people shouldn't be shooting at game at 500 plus yards. Within that range most all of the old standard calibers will get the job done as good as any of these new ones. Seems like these days everyone thinks they can shoot game at sniper ranges just because they have been brainwashed into thinking that these new guns, scopes and calibers will make them instant Chris Kyle's or Carlos Hathcock's.
your right theres no such thing as the new game changer a 180g bullet going 2900fps out of one cartrige is the same 180gr 2900fps out of another. all give and take up to 200 fps and i dought anything is going to notice that. 7rem mag still kills so does a 300wsm or win mag. its all about the quality of bullet construction and the "new" high bc bullets in my opinon are not up to snuff in many situations.
Right. 80 years later and is it really so superior to the 300 Weatherby? I have a 6.5 Creedmoor, not because it is the best possible but because I couldn't get a 6.5 Swede for the same price.
100%
Main bullet marketed is 212 eldx in the 300prc, and that is a terrible and even dangerous load when hunting moose when a chance exists to see bears. It blows up under 50yds without sufficient penetration. Terrible round availability too.
I’m sick of paid off personalities pushing all these over hyped Hornady calibers! If a 300 PRC is good then my 300 Rum is way better. But I’ll admit it’s all over kill. Something like the tried and true 7 mm rem mag is probably the best all around North American big game caliber ever. Especially with todays bonded and all copper bullets ! And I’ve never owned one till recently and still haven’t hunted it. I also believe the 280 AI is as close to perfection as you can get that’s why I’m building one now.
Excellent choice the 280 AI that’s a fine ctg and will do anything a hunter needs it to do !
Everyone has their own opinions and favourites. Mine is .338 win mag with a 185gr. BarnesX. With that being said, you put the bullet in either the computer or the carburetor, it will lay down and stop doing everything. I’ve been able to do this at ranges between 100-400 yards. Anything further than that, you should be able to get a little closer. If not, you’re doing something really wrong.
Before jim was sponsored by all the hig wigs. He always said that his favorite was a 338 rum and minimum was a 300 win mag. Anything bigger was better. Idk sounds like more of a marketing commercial than anything
Holy jim sound like a car salesmen hola .ha ha to funny
He sure knows how to pimp out for his sponsors. Hornaday, Christensen rifles, Leupold scopes, Havalon knives, Yeti coolers. He's never seen in a video or photo without a shameless plug for one of them.
That’s how (part) he makes a living and travel on filmed hunts
I traded in my 300 win mag for a 300 PRC and never looked back. I really like the 300 PRC. I also still use a 7mm rem mag for medium sized and closer range game.
Calibers back then do the same thing as the new fandango calibers of today. It all comes down to marketing.
People who have always been
able to reliably and efficiently
take game with a 100 year old
caliber ( and maybe a gun)
just need a reliable source of
components/ammunition and
not anything new.
There's still a million fudds
like me who know how to
consistently and humanely
take big game with a $100.00
pawn shop rifle and a $20.00
used scope and wallyworld
ammo.
@@maxpinson5002 one of buddies used a 303 modified to sporter and he bought the rifle for $15 maybe $100 on the scope. It killed everything that he hit. Nowadays the tech in the BULLETS are what make a rifle caliber better.
But if they didn’t make new calibers in new rifle styles the gun companies would be out of business.
@@blaynemacpherson8519
Companies like the old original
Remington of Ilion NY had a
thriving business besides their
firearms of selling ammunition
and components for loading
and at one time, tree stands
for deer hunting, outdoor apparel,
and firearms accessories, etc.
They bought out 2 very old
companies in Marlin and
Harrington & Richardson,
but still managed to nosedive
into the dirt because of mis
management.
The Henry firearms company is
fairly thriving and they don't
make anything groundbreaking.
Most all of what they sell are
their version of old traditional
designs.
Anthony Imperato loves his
company and his products
and cares about his customers.
It's not just an investment for
him to glance at a printed report
a few times a year at a board meeting. It's a personal thing
to me because I've worked for
several companies that were
run into the ground by buyouts
by " investment groups " while
the employees were busting
their butts to make the company
successful
Jim...come on man. Hornadys marketing machine was at work on you for 5 days. Probably came with a decent paycheck. But really? Prc over 30 Nosler, 300 Weatherby or RUM? No sir.
Jimbo ! Your old 300wby outperforms the 300prc , but no moose will know the difference. 300wsm , 300win mag and several other cartridges will do the same thing ! Sure wish I could afford to hunt moose with you. I'll have to just keep watching your videos instead. Cheers man
You can for fall 2025 come to my Alaska moose camp for do yourself river hunt with daily raft transport up or down river hunting by jet boat for $4500
If you want the 300 PRC buy it in a quality firearm. Stay away from Christensen Arms, especially the Ridgeline. I sent mine back to CA for accuracy issues. Slapped a new barrel on it (that’s what they told me) and it’s still $2700 paper weight.
7mm mag and 160gr Accubonds for me.
I'll stick with my 300 WSM
How would like to have an AR 10 in 300 WSM ?
I build and sell custom AR 10 uppers for sale
@@Lure-Benson No if I do I'll get in touch with my FFL dealer when he gets home from Elk hunting in Idaho
@@joztunes69 Go ahead because AR 10s built in 300 WSM are only built by custom rifle builders, and no commercial company builds them.
Even KAK industries sold out for many years of the AR 10 uppers in 300 WSM the company bought from a custom gun builder in Barrens Colorado who no longer will sell to sites selling guns and gun parts.
The AR 10 uppers aren't an ATF item because it is the serial numbered lower receiver is the ATF controlled part.
Seems you have a deep lack of knowledge of all firearms.
Im just not with these new fancy PRC cartridges, sorry but I'll stick the the tried and true caliber's not in a PRC, call me old school but sometimes the ole ways are best
Nobody argues a 300 win mag gets things done, but the 300 prc has more powder and more bullet to it. Bigger is better for moose.
@@aaronpudlicki7418 they push a bigger bullet more efficiently, never had doubts about that, one can look at the down range ballistics and tell that, but in ethical ranges 400 yards and in IMO, the standard calibers do just fine, I don't hunt moose, I'd love to, it's my dream animal to go hunt, but I live in MS, the biggest thing you'll hunt is whitetail, some folks may have places to hunt where they can shoot 700 yards, but I don't, wouldn't take a shot at 700 even if I could, it it makes its way to 400 or less well talk business but I don't hunt anywhere near somewhere you can shoot that far, my furthest shot is maybe 100 yards, most are 20-40 yards, so PRC's deff arnt needed for me, I'm not knocking people who wanna buy one and do it, hey go for it, there just not for me, if I did own a 300 win mag or WSM and did have a place I could make that kinda shot as long as I've got a proper bullet for it I'd run it without it ever crossing my mind "man I wish I had a PRC instead of this win mag or wsm"
@@aaronpudlicki7418 it's all personal preference, several several videos talking ab 7RM & 7PRC show there's not a whole lot of gain to be had from the 7PRC from the 7RM shooting a 175, sure some velocity and a little bit of ft.lbs of energy, but that's where the right bullet comes into play alot, my 7RM has a 1:8 twist, shoots 175's MOA with factory loads and sub moa with hand loads, but it's all up to the shooter on which he needs or wants really, if you've got a rem mag there's no need to go buy a PRC, if your starting from scratch maybe check out the PRC, but since I've already got the non PRC cartridges they'll do me just fine no matter my situation
@@aaronpudlicki7418that’s BS
I live in Alaska 30-06 ,300 win mag 300 prc and 338s
It’s shot placement the old ones are not any different Then the new 30s I can see a difference as I go walking to caliber
I'm tired of Hornady coming out with new calibers
These new Hornady cartridges aren't really any better than their preexisting cousins. In several cases, the numbers are near matching
I have hunted with a number of different calibres. There is no replacement for shot placement. Shot placement is not marketable so the B.S. will continue.
So you were told that .270 was good by lifelong hunters, si now with all that technology research and development the 270 should be better right, oh nonono we have to go spend a lot of $$$&$$ to harvest the same quarry, right I get it
Sorry to hear about your bad experience with the Dease Lake folks. I lived in the Okanagan Valley in the mid to late sixties and loved the geography and the people. We moved there from Washington state, and once I did hear some jerk yell "Yankee go home" as my late mother and I drove through a parking lot with our Washington plates still on our car. But that was the only time I ever experienced negative treatment from the locals. Theres been so much excessive immigration to Canada that the native born folks do have a bit of a bad attitude to foreigners. That mountie was a jerk to say the least, most are respectful to everyone but unfortunately theres a few who are bigots. I hope you have better luck on future travels in B.C. Sincerely, Garth L.
I’ll stick with my 300 RUM
No replacement for displacement!
Downsized my 300 RUM to 300 WSM. Mainly because you DON"T stick to a 300 RUM, you just get mule kicked into the Twilight Zone,,, However, I do have one bad a-- RUM load with 205 Gr, 2980FPS, that I call the Grim Reaper.
@@erikwilson7622 i dont feel the kick with my 300 RUM even with the brake removed... Guess I'm use to it? My 375 RUM hurts the shoulder though even with a brake.
@@tripplebeards3427 I'm just being stupid, I actually love my RUM, and used for many years, I just switched to the WSM, mainly for short action, and lighter weight, little more handy.
@@erikwilson7622 To be honest the "new shoes" wore off with mine decades ago. I have shot a few huge black bear, pronghorn, and whitetail with it. Just dont like dumping a 100 grains of powder in a load when my 30-06, 35 rem, and 35 whelen kills just as well will less than half the powder charge. I save the caliber for special hunts only now. Brass is expensive and hard to come by as well. I cant see more than a 150 yards in my woods so imo its a pretty usless cartridge around here. Still will keep it in my aresenal.
Its all horse manure folks. Sure theres new powders, bullets, and optics that optimize a rifle's capabilities but its across the noard for all of them. The old 270win, the 30-06, and old 338win type rifles still work just as well as back in the 50's and 60's. Our new bullets and amazing new optics and ballistic profiles and data also work with them. Even the old school bullets like Hornady Interlock, Speer Hot Core, Power Point, and Core Lokt will still take game. These huckster low level celeb type hunters are just working for rifle and bullet ammo companies to try to sell you and tell you thst your good old hunting setup just doesnt cut it. They want in your wallet. The best thing you can do is just use what you already own and optimize it.
Yeah a 300 wm will do everything he said. Not that 300 prc is bad just not a truthful statement at all.
Physics do not lie… 125grain arrow at 300 - 350 fps maybe 80 ft lbs of energy kills everything (with proper shot placement). I have always loved my mild, cheap shooting 270!!!
Next year just to show everyone I will use my 260!
Still luv ya Jim.
300 prc is a cartridge not a calibre. The 300 prc is a 30 calibre cartridge that is basically the same as a 300 win mag in case capacity.
We are all entitled to our favourites and so is this guy. 300PRC will certainly kill moose and yield exit wounds. My favourite is 300WSM. If I were to try a different cartridge I would be interested in trying 7PRC.
Cheers!
Jim is going to hunt with whatever gun and shells some company gives him and say there the best.
THEY'RE
Physics do not lie… 125grain arrow at 300 - 350 fps maybe 80 ft lbs of energy kills everything (with proper shot placement). I have always loved my mild, cheap shooting 270!!!
Next year just to show everyone I will use my 260!
Moose have been taken with smaller cartridges, just like bears and elk. It’s all about shot placement and bullet construction.
I've watched this man hunt all my life. I love his shows and respect what he says. But and its a big but. The always and ever pushing of sponsorship has a huge impact on what we're told is the best. If ya look at the numbers the 300 win mag is just as good and if ya own one already save your money. I can promise you almost any hunting camp will have 300 wm ammo in it good luck finding 300prc. Especially if your in a town that might just have a mom and pop store. I'll promise you 300 prc wont be on the shelves. When ya take hunting trips airlines have a good way of losing your stuff. Id rather have something i know i can find ammunition for.
Don't own a 300 prc. But i think i know why he recommended that round. Hornady is for sure in the business to sell ammo. The PRC lineup has very heavy bullet selections. Ballistic coefficients and sectional densities are adding distance and accuracy, which in turn create in the field advantages. If you're going to buy a new rifle for a once in a lifetime moose hunt. Take advantage of Hornady's advancements.
300 Weatherby still takes the cake
There's no such thing as half a kilometre shots in thick multimillenary birch forests. Where I hunt, big game is shot at handshaking distance and I hunt bears in conjunction with moose. I use a double-barrelled rifle chambered for the 9,3x74 R calibre, for a quick followup shot.
Yes you can take a moose with just about anything, the saying Shoot what you shoot accurately, applies. However, I would opt for a 300 Mag version. There are places the actual Moose is located, that you want them to be on the ground ASAP. Yukon moose especially, as they are ultra massive, and you don't want it to stumble into a pond, creek, river,,,,
Everyone gets butthurt because it’s not there 30-06 or 300 wm. Ya it’s called technology. We don’t drive model A fords anymore 😂
Because you were paid to say that lol
I hate the commercialization of hunting.
I think Jim is great but I'm starting to dislike Hornady quite a bit. The prcs are over hyped and their bullets are average at best. I like nosler and Barnes better. I think this video was 100% trying to push marketing here. I thought maybe 300 win mag or 338 might have actually been the better choice excluding marketing.
Good point Craig, a 338 or larger is better for grizzly, and Nosler and especially Barnes are better bullets than Hornady with the exception their new all copper bullet--the CX or something like that.
I don't feel 375rum or 30-378 Weatherby on beluga and Narwhal 😂
I’ve always enjoyed your videos Jim but I strongly disagree with what you’ve said. If a person can’t accurately shoot a rifle because the recoil is too great they won’t practice with it. If they don’t practice they can’t be counted on to make the shot when it comes up because they are scared of the gun and flinching. As a guide and outfitter I’m sure you have given the advice to bring what you shoot well. Shot placement is the key. A .300 PRC in the paunch is far less effective than a .270 in the lungs.
used to be a m48 Nosler, with a 30 Nosler cartridge. It all comes down to who's paying the money!!
You have been paied to say that you Said, winchester m70 with longe barrel in 270win, 280rem 280ai or 270wbm drop that animal with hit in right place
Seems more like this Shockey guy is doing a plug advertisement for Hornady. One of his sponsors than a real evaluation of moose calibers of which he mentions none of that.
Anything from about .270 and up.
I’ll stick with the 308 NORMA MAG
Dont trust hornady one little bit.
I call bullshit! The 35 Whelan has always handled the job.
The 270 is a wicked cartridge. He isn't saying it isn't. He is saying there are now choices which are more adapt to longer shots on large animals that can provide some advtage over the 270. The 300 prc isn't better. It's just different.
It's all about usable case capacity, standard twist rates, standard throat lengths, as well as the case design/powder column cross-sectional area. The 270 has a standard twist rate that is too slow to stabilize long heavy for caliber high ballistic coefficient bullets for longer shots with less drift and less drop and more residual energy on target for best bullet terminal performance on a game target.
Factory built 270 rifles have short thoats, slow twist rates and most available ammo are loaded with bullets that have dismal b.c.that means you can't shoot long range projectiles and even if you could you'd need to stuff then so far down into the case to fit the factory throat that you'd lose mega powder capcity and lose fps and ultimately performance.
Another small detail is that the shorter fatter powder column used in the prc has long been proven to be more efficient. Look at the 300 win mag and 300 wsm. The wsm will duplicate its performance with a fairly significant amount less powder due to its large cross sectional area on the powder column, which provides more burn face, which equals a more efficient burn and pressure build. So, a shorter barrel can be used with the same performance as the other cartridge in a longer barrel or superior performance when both have the same barrel length.
With the old 270, you simply cannot load heavy for caliber bullets to take the most advantage out of it for a few reasons, which are stated above. It's still a great cartridge, but for long-range heavy payloads on living targets, there are better choices now because of better engineering. It doesn't mean the 300prc is better than a 270. It just means it's a different tool for a different job.
In the end, you can kill a moose with a 22 Hornet. Isn't it a great choice? Nope. But it'll kill one with the proper shot placement and range.
Is the 270 capable of killing a moose? Yes! Is the 300 prc capable of killing a moose? Yes! Is one better than the other? That depends on the range, wind, shot placement, bullet construction, etc. But one thing can not be ignored. The 300 prc will allow for more difficult shooting options and shot placement options.
Pick the poison that best suits your hunting situation and go enjoy the outdoors. That's all that matters
Im just happy to see new options for people and a market that isnt stagnating. Peope, forget these shooting sports companies operate in a capitalistic market and need to turn a profit. They do this by staying relevant with the times and that means investing into R&D which means they can sell more products, which means our industry contintues to thrive. If you dont want a 300 prc, dont buy one! Simple as that. And if you do, go buy one. Just be happy we have the choices we have guys.
That’s pretty sad. I guess the bills have to get paid somehow.
Now what in the hell is a 300 PRC?
I can't blame Mr Shockey for getting paid but its a little disheartening that nosler were the only bullets to use in his opinion and now they must be garbage since the sponsorship has changed. I am sure the folks at hornady are great people. Money ruins everything.
A stinking commercial !
Paid for by Hornady
He's gonna choose the PRC because he's paid to do so
how much did they pay you to say that.
still 30-06 and 270
Jim!! You're a corporate sellout!!!
I like new stuff younger people can get into something different and older people can complain about it.
Soooooo many Karen’s on here 😂
Mr. Shockey, you just made a bunch of grown men cry 🤣😂😅 I personally love how Hornady is updating and modernizing all the old classics. A 300PRC rifle is on my wishlist.
This guy has sold out for the $$$$...SHOW THE NUMBERS JIMMY BOI
Whatever Jim. Keep drinking the Hornady kool aid