It's not so hard to believe actually. Fog at Grozny and Makhachkala, both of which have nearby mountains and densely populated residential areas... or fly to Aktau which has clear weather, no mountains, and is surrounded by empty flat land. Once the pilots realise they can stay airborne for quite some time, they might have made this decision as the logical choice. Landing immediately is not always the best solution. Sometimes working out how you will control the plane is more important. Better for the people in the tail section that they came to a stop in a flat field, and not a foggy hill side or in a block of apartments. The Cockpit Voice Recorder will confirm whose decision it was to head to Aktau instead of a Russian airport.
Except for locals who do not have choice in the first place.😢 It is clear that most passengers were indeed locals who visited friends and families. You know there are ordinary Russians who have nothing to do with the war, right? So dont preach your moral to those poor passengers victims and families. It is also apparent that there were negligence in either Russia/Azerbaijan Civil Air Traffic Authority for not closing the airspace soon enough.
Depending where are you flying, you also have a choice to fly over Afganistan, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Israel. Airlines avoid these countries so have very little choice.
Azerbaijan is a very safe territory itself. Now almost all the airplanes go to Europe from Asia through Azerbaijan since Russia is in the north and Iran in the south
@Tosochka3 The plane was hit by shrapnel from an air defense system. The videos of the wreckage and the videos made by the passengers show that very clearly. I know you're just here to muddy the waters and that you are not a good faith actor to begin with, but it's still surprising that there really are people that are totally fine with living a life bereft of any integrity...
Nonsense, a crash in the sea would not hide shrapnel damage, and if the Russians hit it with a mobile SAM system it would not have travelled that far. Likely another Budanov operation against civilians to damage the growing relationship between Moscow and Baku.
All the flights to russia should be suspended. They support war and still happily travel all over the world. Let them also feel at least some consequences.
Don't forget Prigozhin's plane. They deliberately sacrificed the pilots and stewardess who had nothing to do with his coup attempt just to get revenge.
Of course, blame Ukraine and the dead pilot for downing their plane. None of these would happen if Russia did not invade Ukraine, or if they closed their airspace when they went to war like Ukraine did. It's so insane to blame the pilots when all they did is to try and save lives after YOU HIT THEM with your missiles.
Naturally, it's easy to point fingers at Ukraine and the deceased pilot for the plane crash. None of this would have occurred if Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine, or if they had closed their airspace during the conflict, as Ukraine did. It's utterly ridiculous to hold the pilots responsible when all they were trying to do was save lives after you struck them with your missiles.
well. it wouldn't be the first time.. nor the second.. and whe know Russia doesn't respect Azerbaijan enough to apologize or even tell the truth. they wil just lie and say to Azerbaijan "what are you going to do about it?" My thaughts and prayers are with the victims and families of this "accidental" terrorist attack. saying goodbye to someone before a fligtht and never seeing them again is a real fear for a lot of people around the world. We have Russia who is making those fears a reality again.
I think that was bum-licking 🤔🤔🤷♂️ Few months after they shafted him outta Nagorno-Karabakh and a few months before their masters shaft them in Syria 🤔 You think they were playing xbox or summat 🤔🤔
Pesquise sobre o JAL 123 no Japão em 85. Pesquise sobre o fokker da Tam nos anos 90 que sofreu explosão de uma bomba Pesquise sobre um voo no Hawaii do boeing que teve parte do teto arrancado e mesmo assim pousou. Embraer é ótimo mas não é mais forte do que os outros. É tudo questão de sorte sobreviver a queda
@@SuperGHOSTBAD You overlooked that the aircraft likely faced two types of attacks: a physical one, possibly involving one or two missile strikes, and a digital one, such as a jamming attack. Remarkably, the pilots and the plane almost managed to escape, ensuring everyone's safety. For a civilian aircraft, that’s an impressive feat in my humble opinion.
Yes, but no one on the international stage is going to buy this excuse. Air defense and civilian flight paths don't mix. If they weren't capable of preventing any and all Ukranian air ops in their airspace then they should've shut down said airspace. They just wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted to avoid the economic disruption of cancelling flights and ended up with this incident on their hands. Now even their closest neighbors are demanding apologies and concessions and cancelling flights into their airspace. Unfortunately that won't be enough to stop the war or anything like that but it's certainly the last thing they needed when it comes to relations with their neighbors
Probably AA missile meant for use against smaller stuff like drones and jets - or plain and simply luck that it wasn't even worse (like a hit to the cockpit instead of the rudder).
It's reported to be a Pantsir S1 SAM...a smaller missile than for example the BUK system that took down MH17. Both are proximity missiles but the damage from the shrapnel in both cases you can now ascertain for yourself. If this was hit with a BUK the outcome would be different
Indistinguishable by whom? What exactly are you referring to? Recklessness and negligence has nothing to do w this. This was pure malevolence, as was the 2014 downing of commercial aircraft w Russian Buk missile & 1988 Pan Am over Scotland... no negligence or recklessness there. Very easy to "distinguish" . Happy New Year😊
@@TalibanAtrocitiesukrainians are covered by west. When ukrainians killed 2 man in Poland, it was obvious they did it, but there were no consequences. They blamed Russia. Might be the same now too. Time will show, but I don't trust media at all!
a 600 sparrow can create a hole with a high velocity impact, see the sizes of the holes, if fits the sparrow body, that will probably be said by Putin, because Putin is a very intelligent person.
@@PeterMesse I would like to see any proof whatsoever of any type of bird going through 2024-T3 aluminum. (Not radome composite structure, actual aluminum) Bird strikes also do not happen on the side or back of a plane going 800+kph.
What we have learned about the Russian military: the equipment is clearly not as accurate nor as effective as claimed, Russian military personel are either drunk, poorly trained or both. The reports going up are either we did a great job or we didn't do it.
@@Finspeed84 There is a big difference between an intentional or accidental act. Logically, legally, morally ... If you can't see how they are being biased in calling it intentional in their title, then your media awareness is low!
That always takes a while. The data and voice recorders are intact and have been recovered for analysis, transcripts will be published. The recording itself is not usually published. Since it is a high profile case it probably won't be too long.
Search for Iran Air Flight 655! On July 3, 1988, William C. Rogers III, the commander of the USS Vincennes, ordered the downing of an Iranian passenger plane over the Strait of Hormuz, killing 290 people from six nations. Despite the mistakes made in the plane downing, the crew of USS Vincennes were awarded Combat Action Ribbons for completing their tours in a combat zone.
Maybe you don’t fly a passenger airline through a drone strike corridor during an active Warzone while there is heavy fog. I don’t know, but this doesn’t really seem like it’s on the Russians.
First they said it was a bird strike. Then they tried to blame it on ukrainian drone, yeah 2 stroke engined drone that travels 150km/h flying extremly low so it's not detected can hit a jet plane, drone can't even see a plane, it has cameras pointed down, because it's for ground targets. Then they said it was bad weather. What will they make up next? They will try until something sticks.
There are many things the "expert" missed. It is not only loud noise followed by instrument malfunction (because that could be a result of other things like engine failure, etc.). It is important to see what the pilots were discussing both between themselves and with air traffic controllers, metallurgy report on the type of damage, presence of any explosives, shrapnel embedded within the fuselage, the altitude, location, and direction of the aircraft at the time of the incidences, etc. Was the airspace closed and were the pilots informed? what weather reports did they get? did they take the necessary actions? Some survivors reported they attempted the landing twice before redirection while one survivor said the loud bang happened just 20-30 minutes into the flight, some heard a single bang while others heard two bangs. Everything has to be taken into consideration. It is not as simple as he's putting it.
And no one heard the plane being riddled with bullets?? 🤔 my guess is the details will be buried and it will just be used as an excuse to bomb Russia. The US covered up the chemical attack in Dauma, Syria, they'd do it again.
Ukrainian MP Anna Skorokhod has criticized the country's military for lacking accountability, alleging that commanding officers accused of crimes are often promoted or transferred instead of facing punishment. In an interview, Skorokhod stated that internal investigations within military units are ineffective, and the military command operates as a closed circle, protecting its own. She also emphasized that no action is taken unless issues are publicly exposed and that there is no mechanism to hold commanders accountable for major losses.
Nothing "funny" about it. It is not like they have a perfect picture to compare. It usually means radar reflections that could have noise and interference from many sources, including distance and angles, electronic countermeasures, etc. All you see is a blob on your screen and it is left for you to interpret what it is. Sometimes, it isn't easy to distinguish a flock of birds from a plane, particularly at lower speeds. The signals may disappear and then reappear, etc.
Have you seen the drones improvised from small single engine aircraft? They weigh a bit more than 100lb. This is why the airspace should be closed, especially as the GPS jamming used to counter drones, also makes it harder to match up the ADSB information from transponders of civilian aircraft.
@@PeterMesse I don't have his phone number and I don't speak Russian, but I imagine a number of airlines refusing to fly to southern Russia will get his attention.
The destruction of a civilian plane and denial of emergency assistance is a disgraceful chapter in Russian policy. The lives lost demand justice. Russia must admit its guilt and compensate the victims' families. 🇦🇿
If it was an accident because of drone attacks and the anti air system ended up registering the plane as a threat and attacked it would make more sense for Russia just to say sorry seeing as we all know the air space ain't safe not only that I don't know 1 pilot that would willing fly for 2 hours knowing the plane could crash at any moment and saying they attempted to land twice before flying across the sea by there choice still doesn't make sense as flying back the way they came would of been quicker and there would of been other places to land along the way
Flying back to Baku would have been problematic. The plane depressurised because of shrapnel, so that means it cannot fly above 10000ft, and between Grozny and Baku it is very mountainous terrain. Makhachkala airport also is next to mountains, and is surrounded by residential buildings, and was also foggy. Aktau airport had no fog, has no hills, and is quite a way from Aktau city, so it is empty flat land around if you miss the runway (which they did). Aktau is also slightly closer than Baku and with a straight in approach. I think the pilots made a logical choice to head for Aktau.
nonsense. the height is Much Much higher, the size is Much Much larger. and the shape is also different. it is russia making lies again. No one would 'mistake' an airliner for a low flying drone, no one.
@CyberBeep_kenshi so your saying they were like - let's shoot down a passenger plane carrying Russian friendly civilians for fun... They would be poorly trained and just saw things on the radar and would have taken it as another drone despite the height or any return they would have gotten from the radar.
Why would a drone be flying from the direction of the Caspian Sea? Ukraine is in the completely opposite direction. This plane was shot down deliberately.
@briangriffiths937 the plane was coming from the same direction as an ongoing drone strike from Ukrainian forces... If you google the topic there are news reports on where the plane was and it's heading as well as the Ukraine drone strike. This and maybe looking at a map will help you understand how this happened.
@@Samayil_2024 It may not be likely that Russia will pay up, but I think that Azerbaijan should still demand it. Depends, I think, on how much Russia values Azerbaijani friendship and how hard Azerbaijan pushes. It seems you think they will not push too hard.
in 1987 yanks did the same thing with flight 655, accident happen. Russia and Putin have now put their hand up to it. and sent their condolence to the victims family.
I have seen no proof of that claim. Have you? It is not very strange to me that the pilots diverted. Their first job is to fly the plane, and they could quickly tell that they could keep it in the air, the problem was accurate control needed for landing. In that circumstance, who would choose to land at Grozny or Makhachkala? Fog, mountains on one side, and lots and lots of residential buildings near the runway. If the pilots were confident that they could keep it flying for a long distance, then it makes sense that they selected Aktau, which had no fog, no hills, and nothing but empty land on the approach. Also a straight in approach from the sea. Pilots are responsible for the people sitting behind them, but also the people below them. Crashing into a busy neighbourhood near Grozny or Makhachkala would have killed a lot more than 38 people.
With GPS jamming affecting the transponders ADSB signals, then it could cause problems. Airliners should be diverted around such areas, and airlines should not fly into such conflict zones for this reason.
No more speculations, the genocidal leader of Russia has just minutes ago admitted that they downed the jet and apologized to the president of Azerbaijan.
It's easiest to blame Russia, especially now when it happened under Russian sky so it must be that Russia did it. West puppeteered you well, but those who are wise enough to not judge on a whim, know that it's entirely possible for an entity to inflict damage and then attempt to blame another party, including Russia. This tactic is known as a "false flag" operation and it involves a party carrying out an act while disguising their identity or intentions to make it appear as though another party is responsible. Such actions are typically aimed at shifting blame, inflaming tensions and justifying a specific political or military response. These false flags have been historically noted and there are scenarios of such tactics in many geopolitical situations.
Russia take responsibility for your actions for once, stop invoking Ukraine factor every time, now you're losing all credibility left even from your sympathisers 😢
In legal terms there is clear intent. The person sending the missile intended the aircraft to be downed. Not knowing what aircraft he shot at does not make a difference.
How do you think anti aircraft weapons work? They don't intentionally hit the aircraft, they explode near it and throw shrapnel. Take a lesson from ww2 flak guns and such.
this whas russia! so lo tof atlking but do whe remember MH17 ???? Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down by Russian-backed forces with a Buk 9M38 surface-to-air missile on 17 July 2014
The cause of this crash is now definitive. The French air accident investigation bureau, the BEA, has examined the photographic evidence of damage to the Embraer 190, and concluded that it was caused by a proximity-fused antiaircraft missile. The BEA is an acknowledged authority on air accident causes. All that remains, is for Russia to admit what happened, express its regrets, and offer compensation to the victims and their families.
As reported.... ..airport in Grozny was closed for departures and arrivals and all aircraft were required to leave the area. According to Yadrov, the pilots unsuccessfully attempted to land in Grozny twice. He mentioned that the area was covered in dense fog. The crew then allegedly refused to consider alternative landing options in Russia and flew to Aktau, before the plane crashed in the coastal
Uncle Sam is quick to conclude who is responsible for this . However in Israel they have been saying we are waiting for our partners to conclude investigation for war crimes that were captured and shared on line.
No need for anybody to accuse Russians, just minutes ago the genocidal leader of Russia admitted that they downed the jet and apologized to the Azerbaijani.
Russia says the pilots decided to go across the sea? What a load of BS. They denied permission to land
exactly, they had no choice.
Also half way over sea they loose all hydraulic pressure if they get permission to land immediately no one will be dead.
It's not so hard to believe actually. Fog at Grozny and Makhachkala, both of which have nearby mountains and densely populated residential areas... or fly to Aktau which has clear weather, no mountains, and is surrounded by empty flat land. Once the pilots realise they can stay airborne for quite some time, they might have made this decision as the logical choice. Landing immediately is not always the best solution. Sometimes working out how you will control the plane is more important. Better for the people in the tail section that they came to a stop in a flat field, and not a foggy hill side or in a block of apartments.
The Cockpit Voice Recorder will confirm whose decision it was to head to Aktau instead of a Russian airport.
@CyberBeep_kenshi Fog
Pilot could have also not feel safe to land in russia.
I don't think I would board a plane with a flight path anywhere near Russia.
Don't!
Even Emirates Dubai - San Francisco flight?
Except for locals who do not have choice in the first place.😢
It is clear that most passengers were indeed locals who visited friends and families.
You know there are ordinary Russians who have nothing to do with the war, right?
So dont preach your moral to those poor passengers victims and families.
It is also apparent that there were negligence in either Russia/Azerbaijan Civil Air Traffic Authority for not closing the airspace soon enough.
Depending where are you flying, you also have a choice to fly over Afganistan, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Israel. Airlines avoid these countries so have very little choice.
Azerbaijan is a very safe territory itself. Now almost all the airplanes go to Europe from Asia through Azerbaijan since Russia is in the north and Iran in the south
Russia is the aggressive nation,not the first time they shoot down passengers aircraft.
kiev regime attacked Grozny airport and shot down the plane
@Tosochka3 The plane was hit by shrapnel from an air defense system. The videos of the wreckage and the videos made by the passengers show that very clearly. I know you're just here to muddy the waters and that you are not a good faith actor to begin with, but it's still surprising that there really are people that are totally fine with living a life bereft of any integrity...
@Tosochka3 🤡
@Tosochka3 🐫
So you believe what the media tells you? Lmao.
They did the same in 2014 with Malaysia Airlines over eastern Ukraine.
And then blame Ukraine
No, they didn't. Ukrainian separatist who shot down that plane. Yes, missile system was supplied by Russia
Separatista é o mesmo que exército russo mas sem emblemas oficiais.. é tipico da russia ter esses palhaços nas guerras que cria
@@texnikvova "Ukrainian separatist" is basically Russia with extra steps
@@texnikvova Russia provided buk system. You forgot to mention
Oooopsy! Russia was hoping the plane would disappear in the Caspian see but they made it to the other side, 400 kms away
Nonsense, a crash in the sea would not hide shrapnel damage, and if the Russians hit it with a mobile SAM system it would not have travelled that far. Likely another Budanov operation against civilians to damage the growing relationship between Moscow and Baku.
Exactly!!
All the flights to russia should be suspended.
They support war and still happily travel all over the world.
Let them also feel at least some consequences.
The EU is even still trading gas with Russia, funding Putin's war
Nearly 3 years on, the economic boycott is still not complete
So after decades of aggression and economic sanctions, you blame it on the victim?
@Willy_Tepes russia isn't a victim, 2/10 bait, do better next time.
You so dumb you believe the actions of a government must reflect the consent of the citizens
@@anatolepa1306 Your knowledge of history before 2022 seems a bit lacking. Must be because you have a TV.
KAL007, MH17, and now this??🤬🤬
If Putin losses like his defeat in Syria Putin always takes it out on civilians.
Don't forget Prigozhin's plane. They deliberately sacrificed the pilots and stewardess who had nothing to do with his coup attempt just to get revenge.
kiev regime has no regard for human life
whataboutisme wont save your day bot
@Tosochka3 lol nice try
Of course, blame Ukraine and the dead pilot for downing their plane. None of these would happen if Russia did not invade Ukraine, or if they closed their airspace when they went to war like Ukraine did. It's so insane to blame the pilots when all they did is to try and save lives after YOU HIT THEM with your missiles.
Well said! Truth 💯
Naturally, it's easy to point fingers at Ukraine and the deceased pilot for the plane crash. None of this would have occurred if Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine, or if they had closed their airspace during the conflict, as Ukraine did. It's utterly ridiculous to hold the pilots responsible when all they were trying to do was save lives after you struck them with your missiles.
@@ThePoliticalCompass1 The cold facts. I like it!
Louder !!! 📢
The reason for this is terrorism not sure why your spreading that it's an accident
well. it wouldn't be the first time.. nor the second.. and whe know Russia doesn't respect Azerbaijan enough to apologize or even tell the truth. they wil just lie and say to Azerbaijan "what are you going to do about it?" My thaughts and prayers are with the victims and families of this "accidental" terrorist attack. saying goodbye to someone before a fligtht and never seeing them again is a real fear for a lot of people around the world. We have Russia who is making those fears a reality again.
Only 2 or 3 months ago the 1st thing Putin did when he was in trouble was to visit Baku.
I think that was bum-licking 🤔🤔🤷♂️
Few months after they shafted him outta Nagorno-Karabakh and a few months before their masters shaft them in Syria 🤔
You think they were playing xbox or summat 🤔🤔
It's incredible how Embraer's aircraft resisted the damage.
Poderia acontecer com qualquer outra aeronave. Tudo depende de diversos fatores. Não é necessário sempre destacar isso.
It didn’t! 😡
Pesquise sobre o JAL 123 no Japão em 85.
Pesquise sobre o fokker da Tam nos anos 90 que sofreu explosão de uma bomba
Pesquise sobre um voo no Hawaii do boeing que teve parte do teto arrancado e mesmo assim pousou.
Embraer é ótimo mas não é mais forte do que os outros.
É tudo questão de sorte sobreviver a queda
@@SuperGHOSTBAD You overlooked that the aircraft likely faced two types of attacks: a physical one, possibly involving one or two missile strikes, and a digital one, such as a jamming attack. Remarkably, the pilots and the plane almost managed to escape, ensuring everyone's safety. For a civilian aircraft, that’s an impressive feat in my humble opinion.
Even if it is proven Russian shot down the plane, the Russian will still blame Ukraine whom was conducting legitimate military action in the area.
Yes, but no one on the international stage is going to buy this excuse. Air defense and civilian flight paths don't mix. If they weren't capable of preventing any and all Ukranian air ops in their airspace then they should've shut down said airspace. They just wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted to avoid the economic disruption of cancelling flights and ended up with this incident on their hands. Now even their closest neighbors are demanding apologies and concessions and cancelling flights into their airspace. Unfortunately that won't be enough to stop the war or anything like that but it's certainly the last thing they needed when it comes to relations with their neighbors
Yes yes they did
Russia shot plane and they didn't allow to land. Also baku denied. They send plane to sea to avoid proof. But heroes pilots survived plane
Why use a question?
There is no natural explanation for shrapnel holes
what ratty air defence even is this? a surprise clear shot at a undefended civilian airplane and it still makes it 400km with some survivors
Probably AA missile meant for use against smaller stuff like drones and jets - or plain and simply luck that it wasn't even worse (like a hit to the cockpit instead of the rudder).
It's reported to be a Pantsir S1 SAM...a smaller missile than for example the BUK system that took down MH17.
Both are proximity missiles but the damage from the shrapnel in both cases you can now ascertain for yourself.
If this was hit with a BUK the outcome would be different
"Ratty" lol
They did it before to Korean Airline in 1983, Malaysian Airline in 2014, and now Azrbaijan Airplane... and as usual, they denied it...
Malaysian? 😂 you people
They are evil.
600 holes, evidence!
There is a point when recklessness and negligence become indistinguishable from malevolence.
True
Indistinguishable by whom? What exactly are you referring to?
Recklessness and negligence has nothing to do w this. This was pure malevolence, as was the 2014 downing of commercial aircraft w Russian Buk missile & 1988 Pan Am over Scotland... no negligence or recklessness there. Very easy to
"distinguish" .
Happy New Year😊
The drones come from north west, the plane from south east. Nice try with the drone excuse Russia.
They gotta blame Ukraine somehow 🤣🤣
But why would Russia have it's AA systems aimed south east??east??? Towards Iran?
@@TalibanAtrocitiesukrainians are covered by west. When ukrainians killed 2 man in Poland, it was obvious they did it, but there were no consequences. They blamed Russia. Might be the same now too. Time will show, but I don't trust media at all!
Are drones bigger than this aircraft how could this be mistaken
also, it flies km's higher. russia is lying as usual.
@CyberBeep_kenshi If it was close to Grozny, then it was at lower altitude for approach.
a 600 sparrow can create a hole with a high velocity impact, see the sizes of the holes, if fits the sparrow body, that will probably be said by Putin, because Putin is a very intelligent person.
@@PeterMessesarcastic or Russian bot? 😂😂😂
@@PeterMesse I would like to see any proof whatsoever of any type of bird going through 2024-T3 aluminum. (Not radome composite structure, actual aluminum) Bird strikes also do not happen on the side or back of a plane going 800+kph.
If your air defence can’t differentiate between passenger planes and fighter jets, then close the airspace when you turn it on!!
No no birds.. metal birds ..
Stop asking questions...you are the news...report knowledge and phrase your headlines accordingly please
And nothing will happen again like 10 years ago when the Malaysia Airlines was shot down as well
Why would Russia shoot it down? Why was it diverted? I saw one report where there were shots in the tail of the plane
of course they did
What we have learned about the Russian military: the equipment is clearly not as accurate nor as effective as claimed, Russian military personel are either drunk, poorly trained or both. The reports going up are either we did a great job or we didn't do it.
Is it still a question? It was hit by Pantsir - S1
You have not provided any evidence to demonstrate the intentionality behind this incident.
Intent? We are talking about fault. Intentions or lack there of are coming in the next discussion. Cool story though!
@@Finspeed84 There is a big difference between an intentional or accidental act. Logically, legally, morally ... If you can't see how they are being biased in calling it intentional in their title, then your media awareness is low!
One thing they aren't sharing is what the pilots were saying when this all happened?
That always takes a while. The data and voice recorders are intact and have been recovered for analysis, transcripts will be published. The recording itself is not usually published. Since it is a high profile case it probably won't be too long.
😢😢 অতি দুঃখিত/Very sorry
Search for Iran Air Flight 655! On July 3, 1988, William C. Rogers III, the commander of the USS Vincennes, ordered the downing of an Iranian passenger plane over the Strait of Hormuz, killing 290 people from six nations. Despite the mistakes made in the plane downing, the crew of USS Vincennes were awarded Combat Action Ribbons for completing their tours in a combat zone.
Russia: Nope, just birds....shrapnel birbs 😂
Dumb wars causing the innocent to suffer😢
Maybe you don’t fly a passenger airline through a drone strike corridor during an active Warzone while there is heavy fog. I don’t know, but this doesn’t really seem like it’s on the Russians.
But they shot the airplane… was it the missiles fault?
The same news network that reported it as a bird strike
First they said it was a bird strike. Then they tried to blame it on ukrainian drone, yeah 2 stroke engined drone that travels 150km/h flying extremly low so it's not detected can hit a jet plane, drone can't even see a plane, it has cameras pointed down, because it's for ground targets. Then they said it was bad weather. What will they make up next? They will try until something sticks.
If you can tell the difference between a passenger jet airliner and a slow flying drone, you shouldn’t be operating anti-aircraft equipment.
There are many things the "expert" missed. It is not only loud noise followed by instrument malfunction (because that could be a result of other things like engine failure, etc.). It is important to see what the pilots were discussing both between themselves and with air traffic controllers, metallurgy report on the type of damage, presence of any explosives, shrapnel embedded within the fuselage, the altitude, location, and direction of the aircraft at the time of the incidences, etc. Was the airspace closed and were the pilots informed? what weather reports did they get? did they take the necessary actions? Some survivors reported they attempted the landing twice before redirection while one survivor said the loud bang happened just 20-30 minutes into the flight, some heard a single bang while others heard two bangs. Everything has to be taken into consideration.
It is not as simple as he's putting it.
And no one heard the plane being riddled with bullets?? 🤔 my guess is the details will be buried and it will just be used as an excuse to bomb Russia. The US covered up the chemical attack in Dauma, Syria, they'd do it again.
Apologizes, but the investigation is ongoing to responsibility. An apology is not an admission of guilt.
Ukrainian drone attacks are not terrorism. If ruzzia withdraws Ukraina can stop defending.
Defending in Russia?
@@claus-not-santaYes - that's where Russia has most of it's military and strategic assets.
How is that even a question? 😂
@@claus-not-santaimagine that! Targeting military objects is actually defending
미사일공격이라는데 국방이나 안보관련부서에서 대응을 하는 게 아니고 교통부에서 응대를 하네??
putting blame again to Ukraine 😂
I highly doubt Russia intentionally shot the plane down. But I believe that Russia would absolutely try to cover it up, divert the plane, etc.
Azer' is very unhappy with their neighbor
😞SAM's - 4
Passenger Jets - 0
Ukrainian MP Anna Skorokhod has criticized the country's military for lacking accountability, alleging that commanding officers accused of crimes are often promoted or transferred instead of facing punishment. In an interview, Skorokhod stated that internal investigations within military units are ineffective, and the military command operates as a closed circle, protecting its own. She also emphasized that no action is taken unless issues are publicly exposed and that there is no mechanism to hold commanders accountable for major losses.
intentionally?DW has no shame
Ukraine fault for attacking civilian airport with drones!
They didnt they attacked a military facility near grozny
Funny how these modern defense missile systems, misjudge information, and take an Emb 190 for a 100Lb kamikaze drone.
Nothing "funny" about it. It is not like they have a perfect picture to compare. It usually means radar reflections that could have noise and interference from many sources, including distance and angles, electronic countermeasures, etc. All you see is a blob on your screen and it is left for you to interpret what it is. Sometimes, it isn't easy to distinguish a flock of birds from a plane, particularly at lower speeds. The signals may disappear and then reappear, etc.
Have you seen the drones improvised from small single engine aircraft? They weigh a bit more than 100lb.
This is why the airspace should be closed, especially as the GPS jamming used to counter drones, also makes it harder to match up the ADSB information from transponders of civilian aircraft.
@@jimbobeire Close the air space, can you tell it to Putin?
This comes to show how dangerous is it to travel to Russia, Belarus, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, China, with these immoral regimes
@@PeterMesse I don't have his phone number and I don't speak Russian, but I imagine a number of airlines refusing to fly to southern Russia will get his attention.
More than likely Ukraine or CIA
The destruction of a civilian plane and denial of emergency assistance is a disgraceful chapter in Russian policy. The lives lost demand justice. Russia must admit its guilt and compensate the victims' families. 🇦🇿
Yes
The cause and foundation of the problem is italy and France Paris,Rome,Napolitano,Napoli,America, Rome,Taranto,Torino,Sardegna???
This incident is just like the Iran Air flight 655 shot down by the USA using a surface to air missile.
That was really a unfortunate timing for Russia.
That really torpedo their CSTO summit.
If it was an accident because of drone attacks and the anti air system ended up registering the plane as a threat and attacked it would make more sense for Russia just to say sorry seeing as we all know the air space ain't safe not only that I don't know 1 pilot that would willing fly for 2 hours knowing the plane could crash at any moment and saying they attempted to land twice before flying across the sea by there choice still doesn't make sense as flying back the way they came would of been quicker and there would of been other places to land along the way
Flying back to Baku would have been problematic. The plane depressurised because of shrapnel, so that means it cannot fly above 10000ft, and between Grozny and Baku it is very mountainous terrain. Makhachkala airport also is next to mountains, and is surrounded by residential buildings, and was also foggy.
Aktau airport had no fog, has no hills, and is quite a way from Aktau city, so it is empty flat land around if you miss the runway (which they did). Aktau is also slightly closer than Baku and with a straight in approach.
I think the pilots made a logical choice to head for Aktau.
They would have thought it was a drone. They wouldnt have deliberately shot it down knowing it was a passenger plane
nonsense. the height is Much Much higher, the size is Much Much larger. and the shape is also different. it is russia making lies again. No one would 'mistake' an airliner for a low flying drone, no one.
@CyberBeep_kenshi so your saying they were like - let's shoot down a passenger plane carrying Russian friendly civilians for fun... They would be poorly trained and just saw things on the radar and would have taken it as another drone despite the height or any return they would have gotten from the radar.
If that is true Ruzzias air defense is even worse than we thought.
Why would a drone be flying from the direction of the Caspian Sea? Ukraine is in the completely opposite direction. This plane was shot down deliberately.
@briangriffiths937 the plane was coming from the same direction as an ongoing drone strike from Ukrainian forces... If you google the topic there are news reports on where the plane was and it's heading as well as the Ukraine drone strike. This and maybe looking at a map will help you understand how this happened.
Did u hear in Germany about burning Kamal Odwan hospital with doctors and patients inside alive
You are beating a dead horse. What can Azheris do...
Make Russia apologise. Putin came to us when he was in trouble 2 or 3 months ago.
@@SultanOfThrones Russia should also pay compensation to all passengers and crew or to the relatives of those who died.
@SultanOfThrones Lol, yeah, you could ask that from Russians but will you ?
Let Aliyev stand up...
@@Samayil_2024 It may not be likely that Russia will pay up, but I think that Azerbaijan should still demand it. Depends, I think, on how much Russia values Azerbaijani friendship and how hard Azerbaijan pushes. It seems you think they will not push too hard.
@michaelgoetze2103 I KNOW they are too chicken to take a stand. They are strong only against the weak...
Why don't you ask someone from Azerbaijan ehats happening over there?
** WOW every "investigation" needs to mention "WITH" ysa .. i really wonder why.
This hybrid and electronic warfare is very dangerous also for the activities of citizens...
Yup. Probably by mistake, but they did.
in 1987 yanks did the same thing with flight 655, accident happen. Russia and Putin have now put their hand up to it. and sent their condolence to the victims family.
Guilty conscious finally
What about compenation and mh17.....
Was hit by 30 Russian micromissiles . Actually were rocks and hit passengers?,?
They are friends so
Ukraine with help from the CIA...
They didn't allowed to land on Qrozny.why pilot decided to divert?they didn't allowed
I have seen no proof of that claim. Have you?
It is not very strange to me that the pilots diverted. Their first job is to fly the plane, and they could quickly tell that they could keep it in the air, the problem was accurate control needed for landing.
In that circumstance, who would choose to land at Grozny or Makhachkala? Fog, mountains on one side, and lots and lots of residential buildings near the runway. If the pilots were confident that they could keep it flying for a long distance, then it makes sense that they selected Aktau, which had no fog, no hills, and nothing but empty land on the approach. Also a straight in approach from the sea.
Pilots are responsible for the people sitting behind them, but also the people below them. Crashing into a busy neighbourhood near Grozny or Makhachkala would have killed a lot more than 38 people.
You are late, Putin already acknowledged it and offered condolences to Azerbaijanis.
Oh yeah of course blame everything on Ukraine 🤡
So russian SAM sites can't tell the difference between a ukrainian drone and a large passenger airplane?
Evidently not.
With GPS jamming affecting the transponders ADSB signals, then it could cause problems. Airliners should be diverted around such areas, and airlines should not fly into such conflict zones for this reason.
No more speculations, the genocidal leader of Russia has just minutes ago admitted that they downed the jet and apologized to the president of Azerbaijan.
He did not admit that. He chose his words carefully. I would not be waiting for him to admit anything. Just follow the evidence.
@@jimbobeirethe evidence points to russia.
Common sense points to russia.
And this carefull admission is the closest we can expect from russia
Yes!
It's easiest to blame Russia, especially now when it happened under Russian sky so it must be that Russia did it. West puppeteered you well, but those who are wise enough to not judge on a whim, know that it's entirely possible for an entity to inflict damage and then attempt to blame another party, including Russia. This tactic is known as a "false flag" operation and it involves a party carrying out an act while disguising their identity or intentions to make it appear as though another party is responsible. Such actions are typically aimed at shifting blame, inflaming tensions and justifying a specific political or military response. These false flags have been historically noted and there are scenarios of such tactics in many geopolitical situations.
And now russia officially apologiest. Seems we have been right all the time
They shot on purpose and didn't allow to land
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Azerbaijan😔🥀.
Russia take responsibility for your actions for once, stop invoking Ukraine factor every time, now you're losing all credibility left even from your sympathisers 😢
Did Russia down an Azerbaijan Airlines plane? Is the Pope Catholic?
Who finances this channel ?
Kreml: - Woodpeckers!
It was not intended to shoot down the plane.
It was caught by missile debris
In legal terms there is clear intent. The person sending the missile intended the aircraft to be downed. Not knowing what aircraft he shot at does not make a difference.
How do you think anti aircraft weapons work? They don't intentionally hit the aircraft, they explode near it and throw shrapnel. Take a lesson from ww2 flak guns and such.
@@Nick_Jarrett the THAAD by the US is the only one that has no warhead and hits the missile directly
this whas russia! so lo tof atlking but do whe remember MH17 ???? Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down by Russian-backed forces with a Buk 9M38 surface-to-air missile on 17 July 2014
Can yall stop with the ‘did’, yeah Russia did
Israel have the right to defend itself
Yes Putin did it
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who said intentionally? obviously it was Kadyrows knuckle dragging bearded professionals ...
What about Malaysian plane shot down over Ukraine by Russia. Poland plane also crashed in Russia which is suspicious
The cause of this crash is now definitive. The French air accident investigation bureau,
the BEA, has examined the photographic evidence of damage to the Embraer 190, and concluded that it was caused by a proximity-fused antiaircraft missile. The BEA is an acknowledged authority on air accident causes. All that remains, is for Russia to admit
what happened, express its regrets, and offer compensation to the victims and their
families.
Can you point to any public statement made by the BEA that supports your comment?
Maybe Ukrainian drone is take down aeroplane with US and NATO help.
Yeah maybe. Or maybe you just look at the damage and see it looks excsctly like an AA missle hit and stop making stuff up
I wouldn't feel comfortable getting on a plane that has a flight route close to Russia.
But it was hit by ukranian drone.
Rip :(🪦
Flying into a No-Fly Zone deliberately inviting troubles
What do you mean by that?
As reported....
..airport in Grozny was closed for departures and arrivals and all aircraft were required to leave the area. According to Yadrov, the pilots unsuccessfully attempted to land in Grozny twice. He mentioned that the area was covered in dense fog. The crew then allegedly refused to consider alternative landing options in Russia and flew to Aktau, before the plane crashed in the coastal
No fly Zone? Who said that?
@@BrandyHeng007 Kremlin BS.
@@BrandyHeng007🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Uncle Sam is quick to conclude who is responsible for this . However in Israel they have been saying we are waiting for our partners to conclude investigation for war crimes that were captured and shared on line.
put8n already apologised
No need for anybody to accuse Russians, just minutes ago the genocidal leader of Russia admitted that they downed the jet and apologized to the Azerbaijani.
Why fly through a war zone 🤔 😕
Why russian launching a war?
This is very far from Ukraine
Because of nato@@TheStudio-div
Because Chechnya ATC told them to?
Every country should cancel flights to Russia
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Pretty sure it wasn’t intentional. Likely a mistake, followed by the typical Russian response to try and cover up their incompetence.