I feel your pain. I’m over 50 and have to find a spot to relieve myself about every half hour or so. That’s why I don’t need the bigger gas tank. I’m stopping at every station whether I like it or not. And every abandoned building, dumpste, bushes, trail, woods, Ect…. That’s the real reason I went dual-sport- to find interesting places to piss.
I’ve owned both bikes. Currently on the T7. Africa twin more comfy on highway, t7 better off-road lighter narrower. More exiting. Depends what you want to do I guess
I have rode a bunch of different bikes over the years, took a spin on the T7 and literally lost sleep over it. I never even had the chance to sit on a AT, but being 6’1” 190 lbs, and seeing people complain about the tank on the AT, hitting knees on the tank in comments on youtube, which is so annoying to me also. The T7 fit me so well I stopped shopping for other bikes. Got one shortly after, love the Tenere 700 🤙🏽
Congrats on finding one! Seriously, as close to a "perfect bike" as I may have seen yet. Sure, it could use some upgrades, but for that MSRP, such a great machine. Have fun with it.
I'm gonna buy T7 next year. I tested it in the city, off-road and on the highway. I had many dirtbikes, now i want to have smthng universal, It's perfect for me.
@@jonathanesqueda3452 To be honest , for me it's almost perfect. Maybe not so easy to ride offroad as a dirt bike but also cool, and on highway is very good too. Very nice,universal bike for all roads and weather :)
@@BBiegan still enjoying the T7? I had the CRF1000 for a year but it failed miserably technically speaking and I now own a Crosstourer, but looking at the T7 for 2 years now. And thinking of buying it in 2023, new colour schemes look dope! I did ride it for an hour over a year ago, but never had the chance to do highway riding (I went straight offroad with it). Still a good bike? I want to do long stretches too.
I went with the AT. I'm 6'3, 230lbs. Load it with camping and fishing gear, and it is more capable for long-range asphalt / gravel travel and adventure touring. On the purely fun factor, where I was looking for shorter day or weekend outings and more challenging off-road terrain, I'd have gone T7 and never have looked back. The AT is a big, top-heavy machine in those conditions.
Sounds like the right choice for the right size rider, excellent. You said it: there is a benefit to the bigger bike, specifically when long range asphalt or non-complicated terrain riding is involved. So many folks comment saying that the small single cylinder bikes are the only true “adventure bikes,” however it seems they fail to consider how uncomfortable such can be on longer, more simple terrain. Thanks for sharing!
Weight of a motorcycle plays a big role, but compared to seat height and flat-footing when seated, I think seat height is more important. If a bike weighs in at more than 450lbs, you are not going to stop it from going down when you fall anyway. It is just harder to pick up a heavier bike of course, but even Enduro and MX bikes become heavy at some point. Pick a bike that you are comfortable on and are not scared to ride because of weight or seat height. Obviously if you are a midget, it does make it more difficult to handle a bike.
I asked my wife if size matteres, and she answered, "It's not the size of the bike that matters, it's the spacing of the whoops." ... whatever THAT means... Still, such a tough choice, but I know which one I'm aiming for now. Just a few more weeks before I can buy it.
Ha, ha, good humor. We have other videos specifically-focused on these bikes that may help. Have fun shopping, and more fun riding. Thanks for sharing!
For me it comes down to how much highway riding vs off-road. Also what are the highway conditions, I live and ride in the hot Death Valley area. Now have the Africa Twin 1000 and love it. Never overheats, plenty of horsepower. I ride off-road a lot also, but don't seem to have as much problem as some. Have built a Paris-Dakar XR-650L with custom extended heat fins and massive oil cooler. It still overheated on long hot highway rides. Fork flex in slow rocky washes was an issue while loaded down. Had some great bikes throughout the years. For me I am very satisfied with the AT. The T7 sounds like a great bike. No experience here. I'm pretty confident the AT will endure anything I plan to put it through. I'm heavy, my gear is heavy. Maybe will upgrade suspension next year, but thats a luxury upgrade more than anything.
At 5’ 9” and 162 lbs. I have worked on my techniques and am reasonably comfortable on my R1200GS. That said my 2019 KTM 690 is much easier to handle on the more challenging terrain. The BMW a far better traveler however.
Yep, if the word “traveler” is being used to suggest long distance, or big miles per day, then a twin cylinder bike is almost always going to feel better than a single. Doesn’t matter so much the brand. - Or for example in the extreme winds we encounter in places like Patagonia, on the few wide-open stretches, again, the weight of a twin cylinder is much appreciated over the lightweight singles. Thanks for sharing. Ride-On!
That's exactly where I am (but like to drop back to 155). I can "handle" my 700# V65 but obviously not going sideways on sinewy dirt roads at high speed like I do on my 300. The V65 masters the smooth paved roads and the 300 masters the slippery, bouncy stuff - but on a trip it's impossible to have both, though we need to carry stuff, and we'd like to be able to quickly maneuver out of trouble, so a trade-off between carrying capability and agility is required.
My two cents worth: - If you’re doing flat gravel, if you’re comfortable on a big bike, then that’s the way to go - If it is even slightly technical, being able to flat foot the bike (particularly loaded) is important. It is even more important in hot weather when you get tired quicker and don’t hydrate enough - The weight of the bike alone is seldom a problem for riders with some experience. The difficulty comes in with a packed bike, where you obviously want everything packed as low and evenly as possible. That is where the challenge lies.
Well put. That "flat foot" notion becomes extremely important when a) the rider might find an uneven surface, or b) we have cross winds like we do in Patagonia. Holding a tall/flat bike up against the wind (if one makes the mistake of not parking 'into' or 'with' the wind) can be like trying to hold a windsurfer sail up without moving. (For those who may know.)
I’ve got the 2020 Africa Twin. It’s my first street bike. The biggest bike I rode prior was a YZ250f several years ago. I’m 6’ 160lbs. I am surprisingly comfortable off-roading on the AT. I am riding trails that the internet led me to believe was impossible on a 500lb bike. Maybe it’s because of my experience on the YZ. Of course, the T7 would most likely be easier to ride in the dirt, but I love the AT as a street bike. Easy to do lots of highway miles. Edit: my inseam is 32
@@beachamboy11 Coming off a dirt bike makes all the difference. People coming from a street riding background are the one's that have issues. Learning to manage a big moto in the dirt and always wanting to flat foot is no fun!
Well you are right pick the bike you feel you can have the most fun on. Had a 2017 Africa Twin and sold it for the 2020 model. Great bikes and the new one is way better and 25lbs lighter. While only 5'8 I could still almost flat foot them. But the fun went away pretty fast for me when I did the Colorado BDR. I'm not a beginner but not a pro either and let me tell you it was fun doing the route. But the whole time I was riding I was thinking I wanted a smaller bike. I found the AT to be too top heavy for me with 55lbs of gear and standing throwing almost 600lbs around for 800 miles wore me out. When I got home I demoed the T7 and ordered one on the spot. If felt that much better more like a big dirt bike so the AT has to go. The AT is a great bike but remember how you are going to ride it...ps just got a Honda 450L for the really hard stuff.
Well put, and thanks for sharing. Indeed, if a rider knows they'll spend a significant percentage of their riding time in ruts, on baby-head rocks (can't believe we use that term in the ADV world) and really rugged terrain, yea, the more "middleweight'" T7 might be preferred. RIDE on!
Right on, and generally passengers say that, the larger the bike, the more likely it is to be comfortable. Larger having wider seats and such. Thanks for commenting.
Idk about the models in the vid but if you compare current year models, the Africa Twin is only 15kg heavier and (if you pick the factory spec low seat option) has a lower seat height. While I agree that riders should choose bikes that "fit" them properly, I'm not convinced rider size makes a difference when comparing these two bikes.
this is very simple, if you want more power, slightly more comfort, electrical gizmos and a better fuel range, get the the AT if you want a more athletic bike get the T7
This is why I asked how are these bikes comparable. The Africa Twin is so much faster in the real world and just a huge bike. The T7 is cool, but it’s like an around towner to me. People have taken Groms across the country so we know it can be done, but the T7 is so tiny in person in my opinion.
@@adammfharris T7 is more like...classic air cooled singles as XT,DR,XRL. Twin is more like street bike. If you have a thumper the AT is a good complement when a sports touring bike stops you from going dirt (had tracer 900..fantasic engine but it cant cross woods :D) It's all about compromise...people are touring around world on 250cc sub 30hp enduros... just pick what suits you !
I’m on a 1200GS right now. I’ve been to Ushuaia, Tuktoyaktuk and Prudhoe and many other places. I’m kind of thinking of a new Tenere 700 as that’s a 100 pound reduction. I’m 72 and less weight would be nice.
Might be a nice change. Certainly not as luxurious as the BMW, the Yamaha is still a blast to ride, and yes, much easier to pick up should the need arise : )
I have a 2016 AT. The AT is cramped where your feet go. If both are wearing MX boots, you're constantly vying for a place to put your feet. The catalytic converter doesn't help.
At 6’3”, I chose the T7 for the ergonomics, it just fits me better. Africa Twin felt like the seat was cut out to low for me, and the tank was interfering with my knees, rather than supporting. When you swing your leg over a bike, you know immediately if it will work for you or not.
Yea, that must have been the Africa Twin Adventure Sports? Many riders have complained about how their knees hit the tank. ---- Great choice with the T7 though, RIDE on!
Makes sense. The T7 is great if you are tall. I don’t know any other bike that demands size from the driver is such a degree. It is HUGE! And yes - the AdvSport-version of the AT has a wide tank, that really interferes with long legs. 😕 My silly-short legs have no problems though, even though I still prefer the smaller tank of the standard AT.
I'm 1,77m and 75kg and have had an XRV750 since 2002 which I initially thought was too big for me but really got used to it over the decades and it felt like the perfect bike for me after riding it a few months. I've been all over Southern Africa with it in extreme off-road trails. Most people my height, their legs don't reach the ground comfortably as mine, so I have a little longer legs and arms coz I also don't feel a need for handlebar risers. I have now bought the CRF1000 and I'm amazed how similar this bike feels to the old XRV750, mind-blowing. It has the lower seat adjustment option but I still prefer the higher adjustment coz I perfer tip-toeing instead of flat footing. I don't ride with my feet on the ground 😄 That said, I will be using the lower seat position in technical terrain. You may fall over and drop a heavier bike from time to time in technical terrain but you are more likely to crash a lighter bike at higher speed. I just feel that lighter bikes don't put enough weight down for better traction and I'm talking about sub 400cc bikes. At least that is my experience. Furthermore, there is no point in riding a lighter KTM390 for instance BUT you carry the lounge and the kitchen sink in your panniers like so many I've seen. I ride a heavier bike but I pack light.
What I´ve found riding an F800GS being 170cm (and with short legs) is that riding a tall bike requires a lot more skill and/or work from the rider. It´s perfectly possible for a short rider to ride a tall bike, but you need a lot of practice and balance. However, being as lazy as I am, I opted to lower my bike about an inch, so I could start every spring as a noob without tipping the bike every other stop along the road. Most people will always be more comfortable with this option, I guess. I think it´s a bit speculative by the manufacturers that they won´t at least have a few options for suspension height out there. Of course you have a regular model, and the ADV, but there´s a ton of other goodies that come with the ADV´s that you just can´t get on the standard model, and the ADV is for people over 185cm. One honorable exception might be the Triumph XCA which has a really low seat compared to the others I´ve tried. Also, the 1200/1250 BMW GS is lower than the 800 if anyone was wondering.
Yep. Actually, BMW has offered factory-lowered R1200GS's and GSA's (strange) for a while now. Thanks for sharing. Maybe we can remind riders that yes, it may be attractive to have the "bigger" bike, and then maybe lower it. But there are also shorter bikes out there, that don't require alteration for your height (790 Adventure Standard, F700/750GS, Honda CB500x, etc.) Thanks for sharing.
Same here! 5 10ish and I drop the seat the extra inch + riding boots allow me to put my feet flat, but I love my ATAS, too. It's my first ever bike and (last?) and with some of the light off road I have done, she's comfortable, but certainly more nimble and capable than my currently limited skill set can take advantage of. Would love to take one of these Patagonia adventures one day!
@@runemagic7 ya also 5 10, but only ever flat 1 foot regardless of height so it hasn't been to much of an issue for me. Bike is definitely fantastic offroad.
My drz 400s with 3/4 tank (4 gal) weight about 370lb (panier rack, soft panier, top case ect ect.) Seat is at about 35" height (have a seat concept 1" low). Im 5'7 with 30" inseam. I can flat foot 1 side or both feet half way. Had for over 8 years a zzr 1200 (about 600 lb bike) seat was much lower but with a corbin seat (its wide) my feet were not more secured on the ground. Off road there will always be SOME situation that your leg, no matter how ling they are, will still be too short..example climbing hill with a large gully one one side or the other or both side of the bike, if you stall the engine there you are most likely out of luck. Best solution ? Dont go there and choose a better route.
Sorry, but we don't : ) Not without knowing the rider, seeing how they ride, where they are going, seeing the terrain, etc. Good news is, any of those 3 bikes is a great choice, depending on the factors above. So go with your gut feeling......you'll have that moment that "this is the bike for me" which will probably come from sitting on one or test riding it.
@@RIDEAdventures yes I have: I prefer the AT, better suspension in my opinion (but it could the setup from the t7dealer) and more suited for long trips. The motor of the at is great. Do you think 1,75, 85kg where better on the t7? I have to drive 1000-2000 km to do offroad.. I manage to pick it up even in an angle (trained deadlifts though after my first drops;) love your channel
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I have yamaha XT 600 and got AT even as Yamaha faboi. XT is still my *OFF bike* while AT is explore bike(any twin is better two up and on long rides IMHO)
Wich bike do you recomend for men with small legs? I tried the f800gs, very good handling only the back of my feets cannot touch the ground the same time.. Thanks for your reply! Great videos!
Which was an important point as well, but ultimately, in terms of long-term enjoyment, probably not as important as choosing the right-sized bike to begin with. If saving some $$ now means inconvenience or limitations for a large-person rider and/or their passenger for example....
@@RIDEAdventures Also a non-factor if buying pre-owned. I bought my standard 2017 used - it cost me less out the door than a new T7 would have, and my bike came with over $5000 in farkles included.
@@brentnadeau5112 True, sometimes we just want "a bike" and go with what best presents itself. But he's talking about those rarer occasions where we want that "right bike". Which is easier when we already have bikes and will wait as long as it takes.
@@elgringoec I agree, but I already pointed out my applications had me chosing the AT over the T7 anyway. For me, the AT was right bike, so the price argument is moot.
Easy to pick a bike when you are 5’8” plus , but I’m 5’5” and my whole life I have been challenging myself riding multiple big sizes bikes, which they can make one full size motorcycle just with a lowering seat height, every time you look for bike with low seat height you only find small engine sizes bikes that looks more like scooters than actual motorcycles.
Manufacturers sure do have a challenge, packing all that engine, power, transmission, etc. into a low-enough spot to keep the seat low (while keeping things spaced-out enough so that exhaust, etc. isn't burning up other parts.) As mentioned in recent videos, we're wondering when Suzuki and Kawasaki are going to introduce something new into this ADV bike category. Let's hope they take your excellent point seriously when doing so. We would be delighted to consult with them on such designs. ----- Thanks for watching.
People are riding KLR 650's and other smaller bikes around the world 2-up, so it's probably more appropriate to say "larger folks riding 2-up might want to consider the larger of the two bikes."
Sure, one can even do 2up on a Grom, but what I am referring to is comfort. I have done multiday 2up tours on an XT660, a Tiger 800 and an AT and the AT wins hands down. We are both slender btw. Pillion seat space and width = comfort, especially after a few hours, never mind days @@RIDEAdventures
Agree. About the same. At a stand still the AT 1100 feels lighter (since it has a lower seat and has a lower center of gravity). Rolling, the T7 feels slightly lighter. The taller you are, the more the gigantic T7 becomes easier to handle.
I also remember the AT dissapointed release being anticipated to be a 650 . It is a physically bigger bike than I thought. @ 5'9" I cannot flat foot & feels somewhat heavy. But the tenere looks more like the xt 350/600 thumpers I'm more familiar with in the past. If I had to compromise. The tiger 900 would be the exception.
Can a BIG guy have fun on a non-modified T7? I'm almost 300lbs, have a 34" inseam and over 6ft tall. I have owned all of the big ADV bikes and wanting to go smaller (but not dual-sport, 650 single small.) Am I going to need $1000+ worth of suspension upgrades on a T7?
Original springs definitely not meant for 300lbs, but swapping springs out should be much less than $1000. Once the geometry is properly set for you, enjoy it like a big, heavy dirt bike : )
@@Nightboat, wish we could help, but we are not suspension specialists, and we keep all our rental fleet bikes stock. Best to contact your local suspension pro.
I am also stuck on choosing between the AT and the 700 Tenere, the standard AT is considerably cheaper here (N$20000 about US$1350) than the base spec Tenere.
Interesting, as numerous people have indicated how much more expensive the Yamaha is in some countries. Not that money isn’t a factor, but perhaps picking the correct size for you will be the best path to take. The good news is, either way, you’ll be smiling :)
@@RIDEAdventures Yes, we are unfortunately under Yamaha South Africa's "control" so they decide the pricing of everything. I have previously had a 04 1200GS which is pretty similar in weight to the standard AT, more recently I had a 660 Tenere loved it but it lacked the power to do long distance asphalt travel when it was needed, it was however better suited to gravel and off-road. I am going to test ride the AT this coming weekend, hopefully. The Tenere is unfortunately currently not available as the new batch will only arrive in September.
@@RIDEAdventures after having requested a quote for both the T7 and the AT, I was in for a shock the AT is about US$2700( N$40 000) more than the T7. There are hidden costs on the AT and the advertised price is excluding VAT, whereas the T7 is all inclusive. So I will be receiving my T7 in about 2 weeks time, I actually only test rode it after having ordered it already and I was not disappointed.
I am 6’1” 200lbs and would prefer the bike that fits me. I currently am not looking at serious off road riding I just need a bike that I can load up with no problem and hit the road and take in the occasional dirt roads. I’m not an experienced dirt rider so I’m not sure if the AF twin would be too heavy or if the T7 would be good for my size and a passenger?
I'm a bigger guy, 6'2'' and 250+lbs. I had a 2015 1190R and absolutely loved it...except that it leaked more oil than the Exxon Valdez. I have a deposit in a new T7, should be here in November. My only concern is, can the T7 handle my extra weight like the 1190 did?
For sure, first money spent should be on custom suspension. Get those springs right for your weight with your average riding gear setup on. Should be well worth it in terms of performance and maybe dealing with that extra little tail kick back there. ---- Congrats on the great bike. - Eric
Ahh, good question. Easy Answer: "5.5" --- The Tenere is about as close to the "middle" of all possibly needs, uses, and purposes a motorcycle could be built for, and so that puts it right in the middle in terms of just about every type of highway, dirt, gravel, etc. situation one might end up in. If it was a bit bulkier like the Africa Twin, it would score higher on long distance highway, as weight and more wind protection just make highway riding more comfortable. Hope that helps.
Can't flatfoot the T7 Rally. I can flat foot an 2018 At with the lowest seat height. As I can deadlift 600lbs at 200lbs BW the the weight is not intimidating. If a bike tips over even a light weight hard enfuto becomes "heavy". But the AT has MUCH more power. It pulls way harder. The T7 is a tad bit too weak. So I choose the AT. 🙂 Weight reduction? Go on a diet! 😉
Hmm, good thing we all have options. About the same power-to-weight ratio between T7 and AT, but yea, the lower seat height on the AT makes it a favorite by many. RIDE on!
Size 100% matters...I bought the BMW 850 GSA, and loved it! But not what I wanted in a bike, I wanted to go more off roading, and feel more comfortable in it. Thats why I sold it, and got the KTM 690 Enduro r, with a Rally Kit. Its the perfect bike for me.I can travel easily on it (with a seat concepts seat ofc) and as soon as I hit dirt..ou mama....best decision ive made! Even thou I am 6'1 220lbs.
Exactly, and thanks for sharing. What perhaps we should have reminded more clearly was that......a rider is also right in choosing the size of bike to match the average type of riding situation they'll be in. If you were doing multi-day/week trips that involved some long pavement hauls, or simple, flat/smooth fireroads, then the F850GSA would have probably been preferred. But back in the single track, having to flip the bike around a bit, even a big rider will appreciate a smaller bike. RIDE on!
Some years ago i was considering to buy a 660 XTZ but instead got a Tracer 700 (mostly bcz of people around me). Recently i was thinking to get a T7 but again somehow I ended up having a 2018 AT DCT. I am a slim guy and still watching videos and considering to shift to T7. In asphalt and long distance travels, AT would provide more comfort and stability, however, T7 would be easier to dance in the dirt than with AT. Nonetheless, DCT has advantage of “non-stalling”, which is a big pros in any technical situation including heavy city traffic. Long unpaved routes are piece of cake on an AT too...also gizmos in AT sometimes provide additional security and comfort (apparently i am getting old and lazy day by day) . but T7 on the other hand, is way more athletic in difficult surfaces; man, this is almost a deadlock; i will get another test ride with T7 to see if i can make a conclusive decision in the end. After all, we come to the beginning, where these bikes have very very good attributes in their class, one must choose as per their physical capabilities and situation (size matters).
Well said, and yea, the lighter T7's athleticism will be appreciated ....especially if you're getting into more technical stuff. But then the ride turns to simple flat gravel or pavement....and suddenly we wish we were back on the AT with a little more comfort and weight : ) ----- Someone made perhaps the perfect comment on our T7 vs. 790 R video: "Which ever you pick, once you start riding it, you’re not going to be thinking about the other bike." In the ever-changing terrain of an adventure ride, there'll perhaps always be a more perfect bike for each moment. Have fun either way :)
Have never ridden a tenere , I had to learn how to ride my AT ,made me a better rider at 5'8 ". If I was going on a motorcycle adventure I would definitely pick a smaller bike over a bigger one that I have never ridden before even though the AT improved my skills , A GS 1250 or 1200 nope I'll take a 450 l or tenere anyday .....
Less weight is more, ALWAYS, as long as performance and security is not compromised. I don't think a 150kg adventure bike is possible but maybe 180-190kg is realistic. It also depends on how much strong lighter components would increase the price of the bike. A 199kg Himalayan costs new 4200$? What was that intro about?
Yep, different size/weight bikes will each have their advantages/disadvantages over others, given each riding situation, varying terrain, etc. So in that regard, all of us who have routinely ridden places like Patagonia and some of those very open, and VERY windy sections will disagree, saying that we want the heaviest bike in the category when we're in those open, super-windy sections. ---- That intro.....maybe we were saying that "if it's small enough, the camera won't see it?" Ha, ha....just having fun, while keeping the hand clean.
@@RIDEAdventures I have not experienced it myself but have seen on some riding channels that Patagonia can be very windy. But it did not impact those rides at all, at least not to the point where it is only possible with a heavier bike. Maybe it feels better, safer and more comfortable but people have been doing would tours in all conditions (Himalayas) with some very very small bikes like c90 or other pizza delivery bikes. If you are going to do Off-road like +50% of the trip, lighter is always better. If you are on tarmac most of the time, ride whatever you want.
The 2:10 was just north of Coyhaique, Chile, just coming south out of Manihuales. But if by chance you mean with the snowy mountain range more at 2:08/2:09, that's Los Cuernos of Torres del Paine National Park. Quick switch in scenery there : )
I love my Twin because of the size. It's a perfect fit for me. I am curious about the Tenere though! I may need to test ride one just to see what I think.
@@RIDEAdventures Canada, after a day of leg work looking at bikes, found out why. The ATs in stock are adventure sports, usually with the DCT, all of that adds a lot of price. The base AT and T7 are about $4000 apart. 12,999 vs 16,999 ish
Absolutely the Honda XR650L if you plan on being in the dirt almost entirely, and KLR 650 if you'd like to a bit more on the pavement. The definition of "bit more" is something you'll get to know when you ride each bike in a variety of situations, so have fun with that part of it : ) --- Anyone else got something tall with sub-48 hp in mind?
I think you have missed the mark here. The size difference matters but less so than the intended use. There will be larger riders who prefer the Tenere because they are more off-road oriented and there will be smaller riders who prefer the Africa Twin because they intend to do more two up touring.
Tough to explain all this perfectly, we were just trying to help some of the 'newer' riders trying to make a fundamental decision. Anyone with enough riding experience will know that yes, the lighter/smaller bike, given that they are otherwise similar in design/geometry, will better-match the rider who wants to spend more time in more rugged, agility-demanding conditions. --- Thanks for sharing.
As an owner of a 2020 AT, at 6’1” and 270lbs. On road the AT is a beast and with a $50 sheepskin cover it’s all day comfortable. Now, if going real off road I don’t want either bike. Give me a KTM250!!! I’ve gone though steep gravel and mud to your knees. I’ve been down more times then I can count. Unless you have a high level of skill, you’ll never ride to the level these bikes provide. I want the lightest, nimble and maneuverable bike I can get off road. Believe me, your going down sooner or later and having a 500 pound bike come down with you ain’t no fun. My advice, if your seriously gonna buy a bike for off-road use then a 300cc class bike is the way to go. Your mileage may very. Peace.
I tried TENERE 700 today. I am 180cm. More or less average hight. The seat should be 6cm lower to fit my size. It's meant for for tall pople only. Too bad!
Yea, in order to have that much suspension travel and ground clearance, the bike sure has to move upward some. ---- Lots of great bikes about 6cm shorter though, and we compared and commented on 4 of them here: ruclips.net/video/0aSlf8QMmSM/видео.html
i have ordered tenere 700 for my first bike. My height is 6,2 so i won't have a problem with the height of the motorcycle. I just wonder if it's a manageable bike in terms of the height of the bike and weight for a new rider. Nice video
Start sensibly, smart and cautious, and work your way up with terrain, technicality, etc. and it should be no problem. Enjoy that great value fun-machine!
6’3”, 210 pounds. 34 inch seat height is ok. I purchased the 2020 AT. Really liked the T7, but range and fuel capacity was the deal breaker. I will do a long range trip back roads out west and up the Rockies. It I was To do more off road, the T7 would be the hands down bike. Probably 80% paved or good dirt roads. These days, there are a lot of really good bikes!!
I have a 2020 Africa twin adventure sport, I'm 5'10 with a 34" inseam. I can balance it on my toes, or tip just to the side and easily flat foot with one foot. Seat is in the highest position. It's honestly quite comfortable. My only issue is having to cowboy mount it every time. But once I'm on, it feels light, nimble, and easy to handle.
Excellent, thanks for sharing. Such details (including inseam) are helping others figure if they'll fit these bikes or not. Glad you have the option to lower the seat if you wish.
To me, that was a strange video. 🤔 I’m quite familiar with both bikes, and don’t agree at all. My perspective is a short persons. I’m not superdupershort but have short legs, 28” inseam. And to me, knowing well the weight differences between the bikes, the opposite from what you’re saying is true. The Africa Twin (1100) is clearly the smaller bike. And standing still with it also give that it feels lighter! That is also true whilst standing at the side of the bike (so that seat hight doesn’t matter) rocking the bikes side to side. The T7 feels heavier. Yes, the AT weighs more but the center of gravity of the T7 i very high! The reason of coarse being the very high up in the frame mounted engine, due to the road style design of it, with an oil sump underneath going far down. Also - on a T7 I have to tippitoe (can reach the ground with one foots toes at the time) whilst I can almost flat foot on the AT1100 (4-5 cm missing). Lifting up a T7 that is on the ground is as hard as lifting a 1250GS! Maybe even slightly harder. Clearly harder than lifting an AFrica Twin. (Yes, the GS also have a low center of gravity, but not low enough with its weight, to feel as “light” as the AT (none of them feels light, thus the quotation marks)) On the move the high center of gravity of the T7 matters less, and sometimes it is even an advantage, making it “light on the feet”, and that’s nice. But at low speed and tricky slippery terrain, where you with short warning might be needed to “save” the bike by some acrobatics, the AT has the advantage in my experience. This is also thanks to its superior engine characteristics (like the big GS) where the Yamaha can be slightly low trottle-jerky. Love the Yamaha though, for offering more bike per $ than almost everything else. It is truly an excellent bike. But my point is that it is a bike that more than most bike REALLY benefits from having a tall/big rider! Much more so than the AT. The T7 is for the long legged. So, I find your video (kind of claiming the opposite) a bit weird. 🤔 Find some smaller riders and I think they will tell you. 😉 That said, I’ve seen most of your videos, and this was a big surprise since a find all your other videos great, even superb! Really appreciate your work. Best regards, Hugo PS. The older 1000 cc AT was higher, almost as high as the gigantic T7, and also heavier than the 1100 cc, but it still felt slightly lighter than the T7, standing still.
Yes, the crf1000 is tall, but the T7 is even taller, and T7 have a VERY high center of gravity. I have experience of crf1000, crf1100 and T7. And in my opinion, the 1100 feels both smallest and lightest (standing still) of the three. On the roll, T7 feels slightly lighter than AT1100, but not by much. Size vice T7 and AT1000 are more alike, but T7 still feels slightly larger. But why compare the T7 with the old AT? I mean, ai don’t mean to complain about it, of course it is okey to do it, and in a way it is reasonable from an economic perspective, to compare a new T7 with a used AT. But still - the 2019 AT doesn’t feel larger than the T7, at least not by me. And the 2020 AT feels significantly smaller.
According to Honda USA's website (no we have not put the bikes on a scale) the 2019/20 are within 5lbs of each other, and have the same dimensions. We just happen to have a 2019 AT out there that day, and really, the point was just to answer the question for many riders who had asked: "Which is right for me?" Citing that the two bikes are very similar (being built for similar types of riding, both outstanding values in terms of reliability from top-end mfgs, etc.) we just wanted to remind folks that sometimes picking the larger bike can lead to intimidation, and more challenges riding. Perhaps it's always best to choose on the smaller side of things, and just relax, ride, and smile : ) --- Thanks for commenting.
@@RIDEAdventures Reminds me of my KTM 990 S (the tall suspension). With its high center of gravity, sheer weight, and also height it was actually a bit of a handful at times. I am now on a R1200GS doing the same type of riding, about 60% offroad, 40% onroad. In my view a better bike overall than the KTM, even though the KTM is better when get gets really technical.
Fun video, thanks for sharing. Unfortunately, I have to choose between a street-legal kx500 or a VMax. ...unless I can convince my wife that I won the lottery. And she says size matters; if its small she doesn't have to respect it as much in the whoops.
Remind her that, "the correct number of motorcycles you're supposed to have is equal to your current number, +1." That ought to do it: ) Happy convincing, and thanks for sharing.
None of them 😬. I did 6500 km of twisty roads, gravel roads & very easy/light off-roads with my Triumph Tiger 900 GT 2020 & i am very happy with it; seat height of only 810 mm in low position is very accessible fort short riders & it is giving a lot of confidence. But i would not do real off-roading with it. It’s a perfect bike for me, for my height, for my uses : commuting, travelling, riding twisty roads, gravel roads, easy/light off-roads, two up, ... But i definitely need to get rid of stock tires 90/10 to install Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR as soon as they are back in stock where i live.
I went with the AT. I'm 5'11, with shortish legs (getting my feet down is a bit tricky at times) but a large upper body. At 135kg (300lb), I'm definitely no feather weight. Besides all that, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I love the look of my red AT. 😎
I'm not a little boy (6.3 and 220 pounds) but I hate those big and heavy machines, AT or GS 1200. Something about 330 kg wet, 21x18 socket wheels, 50 hp or more, good adjustable suspension, 300 miles of ranges, 6 gears, low weight distribution, injected and bullet proof reliability, good dealer's network would make me hapy :) Any ideas? :))
@@crazyosva, ha, ha, good. You're probably looking at a Husqvarna 701 Enduro or KTM 690 Enduro, OR, Honda would you please start making the XR 650R again, good and reliable, and so friggin' capable, just like you used to? Honda? Please? You'll have to add a fuel tank to any of these, but others might have suggestions.
@@RIDEAdventures I would prefer a Honda XR 650 2021 for sure - had some very bad experience with 2019 KTM 690 enduro R after 10.000 km gear box out. Changed on warranty, but...Friend of mine has oil consumption problems on his brand new 701 enduro...still amazing motorcycles, wish Honda made them :)
Hello dear friends Please need your advice I want motorcycle adventure bout I'm confused bmw 1250 GS Africa twin 1100 adventure sport Ktm 1290 adventure I need it for the hard roads (off road 80%) in the Sahara, ( Desert) Africa because of my job thank you so much
Until we've been there, we can't say for sure, but those are 3 very capable bikes you mentioned. Our choice would be the Honda, given it's proven reliability in comparison to the other 2 brands mentioned. Have fun!
You missed out of comfort! On AT you can sit for hours. My friend who has T7 is in pain from the seat after 4-5 hours. AT has much better protection from the elements T7 is lighter and more nimble. When going off road AT goes down a lot due to softer suspension. I hit many more rocks than my buddy due to that extra over 100 lb (I have the DCT). However DCT is a pleasure off road but a bit harder when need to slip the clutch (none existing). T7 has no DCT.... AT comes with built in panniers that T7 has not. So take the panniers off and it looks great... AT is more powerful but both will have same performance due to weight. T7 feels much more nimble Same amount of noise AT has more electronics Both reset when you turn bike off. Shame you actually didn’t compare the bikes but weight...
Was also looking for a comparisson instead of a general advice. Since you have ridden them both. Which one do you prefer? I have a 2016 manual AT and I'm considering a T7. How does the T7 handle highway speeds? Does the AT has more power left on the highway? And how do they differ in the twisties? Offroad I'm sure the T7 will be slightly better although the AT is also great offroad. Cheers
@@jasperkingofkings AT has so much power that the tires will hold you back. 50/50 tires start to wobble much before you squeeze the throttle to the end. T7 handles 150-160 KM/H without a blink. great on highway. the older AT has a bit more issue in the twists. you will have to push the handles a bit more. T7 is more agile. T7 gets a lot of wind on highway, AT none! on the At you can put more weight and you will not fill it.the DCT is amazing off road (as long as you do not want to raise the front). T7 feels half the weight.
@@OnMyWayBack888 thanks mate! I will hold on to my AT for now as I love it and the longer highway rides seem better. Also the sound in amazing with the Akra. Next week she's in for a valve adjustment. The soft front end did nearly crashed me on some tight corner where I went in too fast. I'll be upgrading it soon with a Hyperpro progressive spring.
Both adventure bikes, twin cylinder, with 21/18's, budget-friendly and made by reliable manufacturers, they go the same places, similar suspension travel, minimal electronics.......hmm.....yea, guess they're not similar?
Can’t disagree, but there’s another indicator of appropriateness: Buy the bike, take it off the sand, stand back . . . and let it drop. If your heart starts to bleed and tears come to your eyes, you’ve bought the wrong adventure bike.
Well, I do like the KTM 790 R RALLY. This one is somehow low in weight but has very high offroad capabilities. More bugs are needed to pay, more bugs are found to fix. Bikes from Japan are more reliable as the orange one, that I have to admit. ;-)
@@RIDEAdventures Yamaha does not have traction control, engine power output adjustment, engine braking adjustment, seat height adjustment, effective wind protection, rear seat handles. Offroad is similar to the Africa Twin but worse on other terrain. 2019 Honda is not as heavy as 2020 and there is no redundant electronics.
@@michag738, pretty sure Honda AT's changed by about 5lbs between 2019 and 20, and many riders agree that Traction control, Engine braking, etc. are completely unnecessary for bikes with this little power. Wait, yes, these bikes are plenty powerful. And yes, TC can sure save a rider when a surprise patch of oil/sand shows up on otherwise perfectly-paved surfaces, or maybe wet/slick rain conditions. Maybe in slick mud. But until we're getting around 150 to 200 hp, come on.....there's no need for Traction Control in dry dirt/gravel. Even with 150+hp, picking one gear higher is traction control enough. Right? Thanks for sharing. RIDE on!
@@RIDEAdventures For me, multitasking means driving in all conditions - from mud to the highway. For this AT is better configured. In off-road it can behave like 700cc but on the highway - 100hp.
@Bob Sacamano I'm pretty sure Honda could have squeezed more horses from that plant, but their aim is also to maintain some degree of fuel economy and emissions, while maintaining a low compression, which lends greatly to engine longevity and performance with lower grade fuels.
Hello Eric, everyone is talking about motorcycle tests from Africa Twin, BMW GS, Tenere 700 and more .....?! what does yamaha Tenere 1200 say about it, it's old and won't give anymore, what do you say is too old, not good? what are you saying . Best regards From DE ! Sebastian
Sebastian, the idea to convey was that a mid-sized rider might want to be careful about making such a "heavyweight commitment" like the Tenere 1200, even though it was never mentioned in the videos. That's still a great, relevant bike that lots of riders enjoy, but yea, being pretty much the heaviest? in the category, a point to consider. Hope that helps. RIDE on!
@@RIDEAdventures 28" in-seam - I'm a short arse with rugby forward legs - in my usual Forma Terra Evo boots (i.e. decent soles) I flat-foot the bike with my left leg without leaning - only put down the left foot anyway most/all of the time if ground slope allows
@@zeuszoegutsy, powerful legs, got it. Same here, I'm built a bit like Shrek (short legs), but not as good-looking. Anyway, thanks for sharing, as these specifics help other viewers in their shopping decisions. ---- Eric
@@zeuszoegutsy Isn't the shifter on the left side of those bikes? It is on my bikes, and that would be awkward for me taking off if my left foot were the one down. Also, stowing and deploying the kickstand would be a challenge since those are also on the left on all my bikes.
@@elgringoec I finish shifting before I come to a standstill and finish braking with the rear only in most instances clearly, after I've come to a complete and stable stop, I'll switch legs to deploy the sidestand if I'm going to be getting off the bike firm believer that you need at least one foot on the pegs at all times for balance and to keep a feel for the bike
POSER? Suggesting what? Adventures can only take place in rough terrain? If it's a hard diet of single trail or rock gardens, my choice is my pick-up towing a camper with beds and beer, with a dirt bike in the box. The T7 will be somewhat better in the right hands on technical terrain - it is a great bike. I'd take the AT any day of the week for my needs and my travels, which include camping along the Labrador Highway.
Yeah us too. Not one of our favorite productions amongst the team here at RIDE. Our newer stuff I think is much better if you haven’t seen it yet. Take care - G
I feel your pain.
I’m over 50 and have to find a spot to relieve myself about every half hour or so.
That’s why I don’t need the bigger gas tank.
I’m stopping at every station whether I like it or not.
And every abandoned building, dumpste, bushes, trail, woods, Ect….
That’s the real reason I went dual-sport- to find interesting places to piss.
I have AT and my buddy has T7. At has just a bit bigger range. Almost no difference.
The big difference is the comfort.
A real man takes paper into the woods
@@OnMyWayBack888 the Honda seat is more comfy but isnt it actually also a bit narrower in front than the Tenere's seat? that's how l remember it.
@@kloppskalli I do not think it is narrower at the front.
I’ve owned both bikes. Currently on the T7. Africa twin more comfy on highway, t7 better off-road lighter narrower. More exiting. Depends what you want to do I guess
Still loving the T7 more than the AT?
Own a 2017 AT and love it but the T7 is tempting. Only hesitation I have is it’s ability to handle high crosswinds. The AT slices through high winds.
I have rode a bunch of different bikes over the years, took a spin on the T7 and literally lost sleep over it. I never even had the chance to sit on a AT, but being 6’1” 190 lbs, and seeing people complain about the tank on the AT, hitting knees on the tank in comments on youtube, which is so annoying to me also. The T7 fit me so well I stopped shopping for other bikes. Got one shortly after, love the Tenere 700 🤙🏽
Congrats on finding one! Seriously, as close to a "perfect bike" as I may have seen yet. Sure, it could use some upgrades, but for that MSRP, such a great machine. Have fun with it.
I would buy both if I'd could. Maybe next year i can afford one.
I liked that subtle hand-wipe right at the start. Classy!
Ha, thanks. Yea, we're trying to keep it clean : )
I'm gonna buy T7 next year. I tested it in the city, off-road and on the highway. I had many dirtbikes, now i want to have smthng universal, It's perfect for me.
Now I can say... yes I bought it :D:D:D Tenere 700 !
@@BBiegan how is it?
@@jonathanesqueda3452 To be honest , for me it's almost perfect. Maybe not so easy to ride offroad as a dirt bike but also cool, and on highway is very good too. Very nice,universal bike for all roads and weather :)
@@BBiegan I went with AT since i have the XT (light...compared to AT) but if I will have to have one..T700 would be it!
@@BBiegan still enjoying the T7? I had the CRF1000 for a year but it failed miserably technically speaking and I now own a Crosstourer, but looking at the T7 for 2 years now. And thinking of buying it in 2023, new colour schemes look dope! I did ride it for an hour over a year ago, but never had the chance to do highway riding (I went straight offroad with it). Still a good bike? I want to do long stretches too.
I went with the AT. I'm 6'3, 230lbs. Load it with camping and fishing gear, and it is more capable for long-range asphalt / gravel travel and adventure touring. On the purely fun factor, where I was looking for shorter day or weekend outings and more challenging off-road terrain, I'd have gone T7 and never have looked back. The AT is a big, top-heavy machine in those conditions.
Sounds like the right choice for the right size rider, excellent. You said it: there is a benefit to the bigger bike, specifically when long range asphalt or non-complicated terrain riding is involved. So many folks comment saying that the small single cylinder bikes are the only true “adventure bikes,” however it seems they fail to consider how uncomfortable such can be on longer, more simple terrain. Thanks for sharing!
@@RIDEAdventures
Which is why you need both 🤙
Weight of a motorcycle plays a big role, but compared to seat height and flat-footing when seated, I think seat height is more important. If a bike weighs in at more than 450lbs, you are not going to stop it from going down when you fall anyway. It is just harder to pick up a heavier bike of course, but even Enduro and MX bikes become heavy at some point. Pick a bike that you are comfortable on and are not scared to ride because of weight or seat height. Obviously if you are a midget, it does make it more difficult to handle a bike.
Something to add- a thumper with, say 880mm seat height will feel more manageable then a triple with 860 mm seat height, due to it being narrower.
@@martyn_g KTM 640 😁
I asked my wife if size matteres, and she answered, "It's not the size of the bike that matters, it's the spacing of the whoops." ... whatever THAT means...
Still, such a tough choice, but I know which one I'm aiming for now. Just a few more weeks before I can buy it.
Ha, ha, good humor. We have other videos specifically-focused on these bikes that may help. Have fun shopping, and more fun riding. Thanks for sharing!
Bahaha
For me it comes down to how much highway riding vs off-road. Also what are the highway conditions, I live and ride in the hot Death Valley area. Now have the Africa Twin 1000 and love it. Never overheats, plenty of horsepower. I ride off-road a lot also, but don't seem to have as much problem as some. Have built a Paris-Dakar XR-650L with custom extended heat fins and massive oil cooler. It still overheated on long hot highway rides. Fork flex in slow rocky washes was an issue while loaded down. Had some great bikes throughout the years. For me I am very satisfied with the AT. The T7 sounds like a great bike. No experience here. I'm pretty confident the AT will endure anything I plan to put it through. I'm heavy, my gear is heavy. Maybe will upgrade suspension next year, but thats a luxury upgrade more than anything.
At 5’ 9” and 162 lbs. I have worked on my techniques and am reasonably comfortable on my R1200GS. That said my 2019 KTM 690 is much easier to handle on the more challenging terrain. The BMW a far better traveler however.
Yep, if the word “traveler” is being used to suggest long distance, or big miles per day, then a twin cylinder bike is almost always going to feel better than a single. Doesn’t matter so much the brand. - Or for example in the extreme winds we encounter in places like Patagonia, on the few wide-open stretches, again, the weight of a twin cylinder is much appreciated over the lightweight singles. Thanks for sharing. Ride-On!
I own a 690, 2019 this bike is awesome, but on reliability side... Japan got it!!!
@@gillesst-onge - yes overall hard to argue with that though the KTMs I have owned have all been reliable and with little or no issues.
That's exactly where I am (but like to drop back to 155). I can "handle" my 700# V65 but obviously not going sideways on sinewy dirt roads at high speed like I do on my 300.
The V65 masters the smooth paved roads and the 300 masters the slippery, bouncy stuff - but on a trip it's impossible to have both, though we need to carry stuff, and we'd like to be able to quickly maneuver out of trouble, so a trade-off between carrying capability and agility is required.
My two cents worth:
- If you’re doing flat gravel, if you’re comfortable on a big bike, then that’s the way to go
- If it is even slightly technical, being able to flat foot the bike (particularly loaded) is important. It is even more important in hot weather when you get tired quicker and don’t hydrate enough
- The weight of the bike alone is seldom a problem for riders with some experience. The difficulty comes in with a packed bike, where you obviously want everything packed as low and evenly as possible. That is where the challenge lies.
Well put. That "flat foot" notion becomes extremely important when a) the rider might find an uneven surface, or b) we have cross winds like we do in Patagonia. Holding a tall/flat bike up against the wind (if one makes the mistake of not parking 'into' or 'with' the wind) can be like trying to hold a windsurfer sail up without moving. (For those who may know.)
I’ve got the 2020 Africa Twin. It’s my first street bike. The biggest bike I rode prior was a YZ250f several years ago. I’m 6’ 160lbs. I am surprisingly comfortable off-roading on the AT. I am riding trails that the internet led me to believe was impossible on a 500lb bike. Maybe it’s because of my experience on the YZ. Of course, the T7 would most likely be easier to ride in the dirt, but I love the AT as a street bike. Easy to do lots of highway miles.
Edit: my inseam is 32
Thanks for sharing. The info helps other riders decide, especially if you'll all start sharing your inseam along with height and weight, please?
@@RIDEAdventures I just edited my comment 👍
@@beachamboy11 Coming off a dirt bike makes all the difference. People coming from a street riding background are the one's that have issues. Learning to manage a big moto in the dirt and always wanting to flat foot is no fun!
Well you are right pick the bike you feel you can have the most fun on. Had a 2017 Africa Twin and sold it for the 2020 model. Great bikes and the new one is way better and 25lbs lighter. While only 5'8 I could still almost flat foot them. But the fun went away pretty fast for me when I did the Colorado BDR. I'm not a beginner but not a pro either and let me tell you it was fun doing the route. But the whole time I was riding I was thinking I wanted a smaller bike. I found the AT to be too top heavy for me with 55lbs of gear and standing throwing almost 600lbs around for 800 miles wore me out. When I got home I demoed the T7 and ordered one on the spot. If felt that much better more like a big dirt bike so the AT has to go. The AT is a great bike but remember how you are going to ride it...ps just got a Honda 450L for the really hard stuff.
Well put, and thanks for sharing. Indeed, if a rider knows they'll spend a significant percentage of their riding time in ruts, on baby-head rocks (can't believe we use that term in the ADV world) and really rugged terrain, yea, the more "middleweight'" T7 might be preferred. RIDE on!
Third time watching this. Great channel
Thanks! We're having fun and are glad if the thoughts and info help.
One thing that stands out for me is that the AT looks considerable more comfortable for a passenger in a long multiple hour ride. T7 looks too narrow.
Right on, and generally passengers say that, the larger the bike, the more likely it is to be comfortable. Larger having wider seats and such. Thanks for commenting.
try to do 700km on a 600 cc single enduro with a girl on the back! i think T700 is good and AT/GS etc is very good for two up :D
Idk about the models in the vid but if you compare current year models, the Africa Twin is only 15kg heavier and (if you pick the factory spec low seat option) has a lower seat height. While I agree that riders should choose bikes that "fit" them properly, I'm not convinced rider size makes a difference when comparing these two bikes.
this is very simple,
if you want more power, slightly more comfort, electrical gizmos and a better fuel range, get the the AT
if you want a more athletic bike get the T7
Right on. Except, they're really about the same power-to-weight ratio, so .....
I sat on a twin at the dealer - it's HUGE!
It didn't look so big in the pics and videos.
Still awaiting seeing a 700 in person.
This is why I asked how are these bikes comparable. The Africa Twin is so much faster in the real world and just a huge bike. The T7 is cool, but it’s like an around towner to me. People have taken Groms across the country so we know it can be done, but the T7 is so tiny in person in my opinion.
@@adammfharris T7 is more like...classic air cooled singles as XT,DR,XRL. Twin is more like street bike. If you have a thumper the AT is a good complement when a sports touring bike stops you from going dirt (had tracer 900..fantasic engine but it cant cross woods :D) It's all about compromise...people are touring around world on 250cc sub 30hp enduros... just pick what suits you !
I’m on a 1200GS right now. I’ve been to Ushuaia, Tuktoyaktuk and Prudhoe and many other places. I’m kind of thinking of a new Tenere 700 as that’s a 100 pound reduction. I’m 72 and less weight would be nice.
Might be a nice change. Certainly not as luxurious as the BMW, the Yamaha is still a blast to ride, and yes, much easier to pick up should the need arise : )
I have a 2016 AT. The AT is cramped where your feet go. If both are wearing MX boots, you're constantly vying for a place to put your feet. The catalytic converter doesn't help.
At 6’3”, I chose the T7 for the ergonomics, it just fits me better. Africa Twin felt like the seat was cut out to low for me, and the tank was interfering with my knees, rather than supporting. When you swing your leg over a bike, you know immediately if it will work for you or not.
Yea, that must have been the Africa Twin Adventure Sports? Many riders have complained about how their knees hit the tank. ---- Great choice with the T7 though, RIDE on!
Makes sense. The T7 is great if you are tall.
I don’t know any other bike that demands size from the driver is such a degree. It is HUGE!
And yes - the AdvSport-version of the AT has a wide tank, that really interferes with long legs. 😕
My silly-short legs have no problems though, even though I still prefer the smaller tank of the standard AT.
@@IngOehman KLR
I'm 1,77m and 75kg and have had an XRV750 since 2002 which I initially thought was too big for me but really got used to it over the decades and it felt like the perfect bike for me after riding it a few months. I've been all over Southern Africa with it in extreme off-road trails. Most people my height, their legs don't reach the ground comfortably as mine, so I have a little longer legs and arms coz I also don't feel a need for handlebar risers.
I have now bought the CRF1000 and I'm amazed how similar this bike feels to the old XRV750, mind-blowing. It has the lower seat adjustment option but I still prefer the higher adjustment coz I perfer tip-toeing instead of flat footing. I don't ride with my feet on the ground 😄
That said, I will be using the lower seat position in technical terrain.
You may fall over and drop a heavier bike from time to time in technical terrain but you are more likely to crash a lighter bike at higher speed. I just feel that lighter bikes don't put enough weight down for better traction and I'm talking about sub 400cc bikes. At least that is my experience.
Furthermore, there is no point in riding a lighter KTM390 for instance BUT you carry the lounge and the kitchen sink in your panniers like so many I've seen.
I ride a heavier bike but I pack light.
Sounds like a good system and yeah small bikes can't compete with heavier bikes in high speed situations.
What I´ve found riding an F800GS being 170cm (and with short legs) is that riding a tall bike requires a lot more skill and/or work from the rider. It´s perfectly possible for a short rider to ride a tall bike, but you need a lot of practice and balance. However, being as lazy as I am, I opted to lower my bike about an inch, so I could start every spring as a noob without tipping the bike every other stop along the road. Most people will always be more comfortable with this option, I guess.
I think it´s a bit speculative by the manufacturers that they won´t at least have a few options for suspension height out there. Of course you have a regular model, and the ADV, but there´s a ton of other goodies that come with the ADV´s that you just can´t get on the standard model, and the ADV is for people over 185cm. One honorable exception might be the Triumph XCA which has a really low seat compared to the others I´ve tried. Also, the 1200/1250 BMW GS is lower than the 800 if anyone was wondering.
Yep. Actually, BMW has offered factory-lowered R1200GS's and GSA's (strange) for a while now. Thanks for sharing. Maybe we can remind riders that yes, it may be attractive to have the "bigger" bike, and then maybe lower it. But there are also shorter bikes out there, that don't require alteration for your height (790 Adventure Standard, F700/750GS, Honda CB500x, etc.) Thanks for sharing.
I love my ATAS, ill admit I am short on the bike and that does suck at times, but none the less I still enjoy.
Hey, if it works, ride it!
Same here! 5 10ish and I drop the seat the extra inch + riding boots allow me to put my feet flat, but I love my ATAS, too. It's my first ever bike and (last?) and with some of the light off road I have done, she's comfortable, but certainly more nimble and capable than my currently limited skill set can take advantage of. Would love to take one of these Patagonia adventures one day!
@@RIDEAdventures Oh it works great and has been riden hard.
@@runemagic7 ya also 5 10, but only ever flat 1 foot regardless of height so it hasn't been to much of an issue for me. Bike is definitely fantastic offroad.
My drz 400s with 3/4 tank (4 gal) weight about 370lb (panier rack, soft panier, top case ect ect.)
Seat is at about 35" height (have a seat concept 1" low). Im 5'7 with 30" inseam. I can flat foot 1 side or both feet half way. Had for over 8 years a zzr 1200 (about 600 lb bike) seat was much lower but with a corbin seat (its wide) my feet were not more secured on the ground.
Off road there will always be SOME situation that your leg, no matter how ling they are, will still be too short..example climbing hill with a large gully one one side or the other or both side of the bike, if you stall the engine there you are most likely out of luck. Best solution ? Dont go there and choose a better route.
Thanks for the advice. Do you "dare" to recommend a good bike for someone who is 5'7 and 156 kg? Ténéré? CB500X? CRF300L?
Sorry, but we don't : ) Not without knowing the rider, seeing how they ride, where they are going, seeing the terrain, etc. Good news is, any of those 3 bikes is a great choice, depending on the factors above. So go with your gut feeling......you'll have that moment that "this is the bike for me" which will probably come from sitting on one or test riding it.
I'm ,75 and I have no difficuties doin off road Tracks with the ATAS, it's the better road bike of the 2
Great that you're still rippin' out there! Just curious, have you ridden the Tenere 700?
@@RIDEAdventures yes I have: I prefer the AT, better suspension in my opinion (but it could the setup from the t7dealer) and more suited for long trips. The motor of the at is great. Do you think 1,75, 85kg where better on the t7? I have to drive 1000-2000 km to do offroad.. I manage to pick it up even in an angle (trained deadlifts though after my first drops;) love your channel
@@toniraff5488, hey, if you can pick it up when needed, and the size/weight don't bother you, go for it! Thanks for supporting the channel.
And what do you think of a Honda CB500X ? I'm 78yrs old and 3'8" and 55 lbs, experienced, but fearing weight. Thanks for an answer !
Ahh, be sure to check out our review on the CB500X. And hit the Like button, and Subscribe if we should keep doing more of these : ) --- ruclips.net/video/2hG67BCZpSM/видео.html
@@RIDEAdventures Thanks a lot for your answer !
Are you trolling?
In my opinion, in this case I think that size matters less than attachment to the brand!
Opinions will be divided and obviously subjective!
I have yamaha XT 600 and got AT even as Yamaha faboi. XT is still my *OFF bike* while AT is explore bike(any twin is better two up and on long rides IMHO)
Good info
I was leaning toward the Africa twin but I have short legs and u got me thinking more reasonable
Wich bike do you recomend for men with small legs? I tried the f800gs, very good handling only the back of my feets cannot touch the ground the same time.. Thanks for your reply! Great videos!
Check out the Honda CB500X, and KTM 890 Adventure S (not R model.) Definitely adventure-worthy bikes with only a ~32 inch seat height.
Not only size but a considerable cost savings with the T7!
Which was an important point as well, but ultimately, in terms of long-term enjoyment, probably not as important as choosing the right-sized bike to begin with. If saving some $$ now means inconvenience or limitations for a large-person rider and/or their passenger for example....
@@RIDEAdventures Also a non-factor if buying pre-owned. I bought my standard 2017 used - it cost me less out the door than a new T7 would have, and my bike came with over $5000 in farkles included.
@@brentnadeau5112
True, sometimes we just want "a bike" and go with what best presents itself. But he's talking about those rarer occasions where we want that "right bike". Which is easier when we already have bikes and will wait as long as it takes.
@@elgringoec I agree, but I already pointed out my applications had me chosing the AT over the T7 anyway. For me, the AT was right bike, so the price argument is moot.
@@brentnadeau5112
Actually, no, you failed to point that out earlier.
And you're the one who made the price argument.
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Easy to pick a bike when you are 5’8” plus , but I’m 5’5” and my whole life I have been challenging myself riding multiple big sizes bikes, which they can make one full size motorcycle just with a lowering seat height, every time you look for bike with low seat height you only find small engine sizes bikes that looks more like scooters than actual motorcycles.
Manufacturers sure do have a challenge, packing all that engine, power, transmission, etc. into a low-enough spot to keep the seat low (while keeping things spaced-out enough so that exhaust, etc. isn't burning up other parts.) As mentioned in recent videos, we're wondering when Suzuki and Kawasaki are going to introduce something new into this ADV bike category. Let's hope they take your excellent point seriously when doing so. We would be delighted to consult with them on such designs. ----- Thanks for watching.
If 2up is a requirement at all, the T7 is not going to cut it. The AT has ample space and width for a pillion plus the necessary extra torque
People are riding KLR 650's and other smaller bikes around the world 2-up, so it's probably more appropriate to say "larger folks riding 2-up might want to consider the larger of the two bikes."
Sure, one can even do 2up on a Grom, but what I am referring to is comfort. I have done multiday 2up tours on an XT660, a Tiger 800 and an AT and the AT wins hands down. We are both slender btw. Pillion seat space and width = comfort, especially after a few hours, never mind days @@RIDEAdventures
Like all reviews, ends with all bikes are great lol
T7 all the way!!
I ridea long way to get to a good dirt road. Africa Twin.. Plus I think the Yamaha is 450 plus pounds, the AT (2017) is 500..not much difference.
Agree. About the same.
At a stand still the AT 1100 feels lighter (since it has a lower seat and has a lower center of gravity). Rolling, the T7 feels slightly lighter.
The taller you are, the more the gigantic T7 becomes easier to handle.
I also remember the AT dissapointed release being anticipated to be a 650 . It is a physically bigger bike than I thought. @ 5'9" I cannot flat foot & feels somewhat heavy. But the tenere looks more like the xt 350/600 thumpers I'm more familiar with in the past. If I had to compromise. The tiger 900 would be the exception.
Bro. I’m 6 1 and my ATAS is MASSIVE. The T7 is a very small bike. There is a huge difference between the two
Can a BIG guy have fun on a non-modified T7? I'm almost 300lbs, have a 34" inseam and over 6ft tall. I have owned all of the big ADV bikes and wanting to go smaller (but not dual-sport, 650 single small.) Am I going to need $1000+ worth of suspension upgrades on a T7?
Original springs definitely not meant for 300lbs, but swapping springs out should be much less than $1000. Once the geometry is properly set for you, enjoy it like a big, heavy dirt bike : )
@@RIDEAdventures What do you recommend specifically? I had $2k in suspension mods on my S10. Quality components add up quick.
@@Nightboat, wish we could help, but we are not suspension specialists, and we keep all our rental fleet bikes stock. Best to contact your local suspension pro.
I am also stuck on choosing between the AT and the 700 Tenere, the standard AT is considerably cheaper here (N$20000 about US$1350) than the base spec Tenere.
Interesting, as numerous people have indicated how much more expensive the Yamaha is in some countries. Not that money isn’t a factor, but perhaps picking the correct size for you will be the best path to take. The good news is, either way, you’ll be smiling :)
@@RIDEAdventures Yes, we are unfortunately under Yamaha South Africa's "control" so they decide the pricing of everything. I have previously had a 04 1200GS which is pretty similar in weight to the standard AT, more recently I had a 660 Tenere loved it but it lacked the power to do long distance asphalt travel when it was needed, it was however better suited to gravel and off-road. I am going to test ride the AT this coming weekend, hopefully. The Tenere is unfortunately currently not available as the new batch will only arrive in September.
@@RIDEAdventures after having requested a quote for both the T7 and the AT, I was in for a shock the AT is about US$2700( N$40 000) more than the T7. There are hidden costs on the AT and the advertised price is excluding VAT, whereas the T7 is all inclusive. So I will be receiving my T7 in about 2 weeks time, I actually only test rode it after having ordered it already and I was not disappointed.
I am 6’1” 200lbs and would prefer the bike that fits me. I currently am not looking at serious off road riding I just need a bike that I can load up with no problem and hit the road and take in the occasional dirt roads. I’m not an experienced dirt rider so I’m not sure if the AF twin would be too heavy or if the T7 would be good for my size and a passenger?
Wish we could say for sure. Should be a good fit, but ultimately, going to the dealer and sitting on one is the best way (or a test ride) to find out.
I'm a bigger guy, 6'2'' and 250+lbs. I had a 2015 1190R and absolutely loved it...except that it leaked more oil than the Exxon Valdez. I have a deposit in a new T7, should be here in November. My only concern is, can the T7 handle my extra weight like the 1190 did?
For sure, first money spent should be on custom suspension. Get those springs right for your weight with your average riding gear setup on. Should be well worth it in terms of performance and maybe dealing with that extra little tail kick back there. ---- Congrats on the great bike. - Eric
@@RIDEAdventures awesome, thanks for the reply and I'll definitely be getting it resprung asap.
How would you rate the tenere on long distance highway riding on a scale of 1 to 10
Ahh, good question. Easy Answer: "5.5" --- The Tenere is about as close to the "middle" of all possibly needs, uses, and purposes a motorcycle could be built for, and so that puts it right in the middle in terms of just about every type of highway, dirt, gravel, etc. situation one might end up in. If it was a bit bulkier like the Africa Twin, it would score higher on long distance highway, as weight and more wind protection just make highway riding more comfortable. Hope that helps.
I think this is the best advice i've seen on choosing between bikes.
No
Can't flatfoot the T7 Rally. I can flat foot an 2018 At with the lowest seat height. As I can deadlift 600lbs at 200lbs BW the the weight is not intimidating. If a bike tips over even a light weight hard enfuto becomes "heavy". But the AT has MUCH more power. It pulls way harder. The T7 is a tad bit too weak. So I choose the AT. 🙂 Weight reduction? Go on a diet! 😉
Hmm, good thing we all have options. About the same power-to-weight ratio between T7 and AT, but yea, the lower seat height on the AT makes it a favorite by many. RIDE on!
Size 100% matters...I bought the BMW 850 GSA, and loved it! But not what I wanted in a bike, I wanted to go more off roading, and feel more comfortable in it. Thats why I sold it, and got the KTM 690 Enduro r, with a Rally Kit. Its the perfect bike for me.I can travel easily on it (with a seat concepts seat ofc) and as soon as I hit dirt..ou mama....best decision ive made! Even thou I am 6'1 220lbs.
Exactly, and thanks for sharing. What perhaps we should have reminded more clearly was that......a rider is also right in choosing the size of bike to match the average type of riding situation they'll be in. If you were doing multi-day/week trips that involved some long pavement hauls, or simple, flat/smooth fireroads, then the F850GSA would have probably been preferred. But back in the single track, having to flip the bike around a bit, even a big rider will appreciate a smaller bike. RIDE on!
Some years ago i was considering to buy a 660 XTZ but instead got a Tracer 700 (mostly bcz of people around me). Recently i was thinking to get a T7 but again somehow I ended up having a 2018 AT DCT. I am a slim guy and still watching videos and considering to shift to T7.
In asphalt and long distance travels, AT would provide more comfort and stability, however, T7 would be easier to dance in the dirt than with AT. Nonetheless, DCT has advantage of “non-stalling”, which is a big pros in any technical situation including heavy city traffic. Long unpaved routes are piece of cake on an AT too...also gizmos in AT sometimes provide additional security and comfort (apparently i am getting old and lazy day by day) . but T7 on the other hand, is way more athletic in difficult surfaces; man, this is almost a deadlock; i will get another test ride with T7 to see if i can make a conclusive decision in the end. After all, we come to the beginning, where these bikes have very very good attributes in their class, one must choose as per their physical capabilities and situation (size matters).
Well said, and yea, the lighter T7's athleticism will be appreciated ....especially if you're getting into more technical stuff. But then the ride turns to simple flat gravel or pavement....and suddenly we wish we were back on the AT with a little more comfort and weight : ) ----- Someone made perhaps the perfect comment on our T7 vs. 790 R video: "Which ever you pick, once you start riding it, you’re not going to be thinking about the other bike." In the ever-changing terrain of an adventure ride, there'll perhaps always be a more perfect bike for each moment. Have fun either way :)
@@RIDEAdventures totally agree.
at 6' 4'' 235lbs the 2018 africa twin adventure sport fits perfectly. best i've felt on a motorcycle thus far
Have never ridden a tenere , I had to learn how to ride my AT ,made me a better rider at 5'8 ".
If I was going on a motorcycle adventure I would definitely pick a smaller bike over a bigger one that I have never ridden before even though the AT improved my skills ,
A GS 1250 or 1200 nope I'll take a 450 l or tenere anyday .....
Right on, the bike that "opens the most possibilities," right in the middle of all the weights and sizes....we like it, too, Thanks for commenting.
I’m just over 5 10 and fancy the Yam 700.Just flat footed on it but may still buy a lower seat to feel a little more comfortable.
If you're already flat-footed on it, wonder if you'll really need the lower seat. Good luck when you get one, and enjoy out there. Thanks for sharing.
Less weight is more, ALWAYS, as long as performance and security is not compromised. I don't think a 150kg adventure bike is possible but maybe 180-190kg is realistic. It also depends on how much strong lighter components would increase the price of the bike. A 199kg Himalayan costs new 4200$? What was that intro about?
Yep, different size/weight bikes will each have their advantages/disadvantages over others, given each riding situation, varying terrain, etc. So in that regard, all of us who have routinely ridden places like Patagonia and some of those very open, and VERY windy sections will disagree, saying that we want the heaviest bike in the category when we're in those open, super-windy sections. ---- That intro.....maybe we were saying that "if it's small enough, the camera won't see it?" Ha, ha....just having fun, while keeping the hand clean.
@@RIDEAdventures I have not experienced it myself but have seen on some riding channels that Patagonia can be very windy. But it did not impact those rides at all, at least not to the point where it is only possible with a heavier bike. Maybe it feels better, safer and more comfortable but people have been doing would tours in all conditions (Himalayas) with some very very small bikes like c90 or other pizza delivery bikes. If you are going to do Off-road like +50% of the trip, lighter is always better. If you are on tarmac most of the time, ride whatever you want.
Where is the shot at 2:10?
The 2:10 was just north of Coyhaique, Chile, just coming south out of Manihuales. But if by chance you mean with the snowy mountain range more at 2:08/2:09, that's Los Cuernos of Torres del Paine National Park. Quick switch in scenery there : )
I’m 5.6” for me riding a bike is not about putting my feet on the ground!! Its like shagging a tall bird, us is all the same laying down
I love my Twin because of the size. It's a perfect fit for me. I am curious about the Tenere though! I may need to test ride one just to see what I think.
In my area, the price difference between them is like 8k, I can't really come up with a good reason to get the Africa Twin over the T7
Interesting, that's a bit more than here. Where is that? We're always curious to hear what pricing is like in different markets around the world.
@@RIDEAdventures Canada, after a day of leg work looking at bikes, found out why. The ATs in stock are adventure sports, usually with the DCT, all of that adds a lot of price. The base AT and T7 are about $4000 apart. 12,999 vs 16,999 ish
Another great video. Thx.
Thanks again!
What bike should get i am 6'6 and have limits on HP 48 (35kw). Can someone give me some hints😁
Absolutely the Honda XR650L if you plan on being in the dirt almost entirely, and KLR 650 if you'd like to a bit more on the pavement. The definition of "bit more" is something you'll get to know when you ride each bike in a variety of situations, so have fun with that part of it : ) --- Anyone else got something tall with sub-48 hp in mind?
I think you have missed the mark here. The size difference matters but less so than the intended use. There will be larger riders who prefer the Tenere because they are more off-road oriented and there will be smaller riders who prefer the Africa Twin because they intend to do more two up touring.
Tough to explain all this perfectly, we were just trying to help some of the 'newer' riders trying to make a fundamental decision. Anyone with enough riding experience will know that yes, the lighter/smaller bike, given that they are otherwise similar in design/geometry, will better-match the rider who wants to spend more time in more rugged, agility-demanding conditions. --- Thanks for sharing.
As an owner of a 2020 AT, at 6’1” and 270lbs. On road the AT is a beast and with a $50 sheepskin cover it’s all day comfortable. Now, if going real off road I don’t want either bike. Give me a KTM250!!! I’ve gone though steep gravel and mud to your knees. I’ve been down more times then I can count. Unless you have a high level of skill, you’ll never ride to the level these bikes provide. I want the lightest, nimble and maneuverable bike I can get off road. Believe me, your going down sooner or later and having a 500 pound bike come down with you ain’t no fun. My advice, if your seriously gonna buy a bike for off-road use then a 300cc class bike is the way to go. Your mileage may very. Peace.
I tried TENERE 700 today. I am 180cm. More or less average hight. The seat should be 6cm lower to fit my size. It's meant for for tall pople only. Too bad!
Yea, in order to have that much suspension travel and ground clearance, the bike sure has to move upward some. ---- Lots of great bikes about 6cm shorter though, and we compared and commented on 4 of them here: ruclips.net/video/0aSlf8QMmSM/видео.html
Because I've got a big size, I'll choose a medium bike:)
Makes it look bigger, right!?!?!? Ha, ha...
i have ordered tenere 700 for my first bike. My height is 6,2 so i won't have a problem with the height of the motorcycle. I just wonder if it's a manageable bike in terms of the height of the bike and weight for a new rider. Nice video
Start sensibly, smart and cautious, and work your way up with terrain, technicality, etc. and it should be no problem. Enjoy that great value fun-machine!
@@RIDEAdventures thanks for your answer. have a nice day
Definitely the Africa Twin.
6’3”, 210 pounds. 34 inch seat height is ok. I purchased the 2020 AT. Really liked the T7, but range and fuel capacity was the deal breaker. I will do a long range trip back roads out west and up the Rockies. It I was To do more off road, the T7 would be the hands down bike. Probably 80% paved or good dirt roads. These days, there are a lot of really good bikes!!
Especially that mid-sized market, now with the Tenere 700 and KTM 790 Adventure. Have fun on them all : )
T7 anyday
There is no unicorn adv bike. Honestly my 2021 AT Adv sport feels plenty light to me.
T 7 💪💪🇹🇷best for me....
I have a 2020 Africa twin adventure sport, I'm 5'10 with a 34" inseam. I can balance it on my toes, or tip just to the side and easily flat foot with one foot. Seat is in the highest position. It's honestly quite comfortable. My only issue is having to cowboy mount it every time. But once I'm on, it feels light, nimble, and easy to handle.
Excellent, thanks for sharing. Such details (including inseam) are helping others figure if they'll fit these bikes or not. Glad you have the option to lower the seat if you wish.
you say the Honda seat is wider. sure it is more comfy but isnt it actually a bit narrower in front than the Tenere's seat? that's how l remember it.
Never actually measured, but could be. The Honda cinches-down from a wider rear enough that it probably appears more narrow up front.
To me, that was a strange video. 🤔
I’m quite familiar with both bikes, and don’t agree at all. My perspective is a short persons. I’m not superdupershort but have short legs, 28” inseam.
And to me, knowing well the weight differences between the bikes, the opposite from what you’re saying is true.
The Africa Twin (1100) is clearly the smaller bike. And standing still with it also give that it feels lighter! That is also true whilst standing at the side of the bike (so that seat hight doesn’t matter) rocking the bikes side to side. The T7 feels heavier.
Yes, the AT weighs more but the center of gravity of the T7 i very high! The reason of coarse being the very high up in the frame mounted engine, due to the road style design of it, with an oil sump underneath going far down.
Also - on a T7 I have to tippitoe (can reach the ground with one foots toes at the time) whilst I can almost flat foot on the AT1100 (4-5 cm missing). Lifting up a T7 that is on the ground is as hard as lifting a 1250GS! Maybe even slightly harder. Clearly harder than lifting an AFrica Twin.
(Yes, the GS also have a low center of gravity, but not low enough with its weight, to feel as “light” as the AT (none of them feels light, thus the quotation marks))
On the move the high center of gravity of the T7 matters less, and sometimes it is even an advantage, making it “light on the feet”, and that’s nice.
But at low speed and tricky slippery terrain, where you with short warning might be needed to “save” the bike by some acrobatics, the AT has the advantage in my experience. This is also thanks to its superior engine characteristics (like the big GS) where the Yamaha can be slightly low trottle-jerky.
Love the Yamaha though, for offering more bike per $ than almost everything else. It is truly an excellent bike.
But my point is that it is a bike that more than most bike REALLY benefits from having a tall/big rider! Much more so than the AT. The T7 is for the long legged.
So, I find your video (kind of claiming the opposite) a bit weird. 🤔
Find some smaller riders and I think they will tell you. 😉
That said, I’ve seen most of your videos, and this was a big surprise since a find all your other videos great, even superb! Really appreciate your work.
Best regards, Hugo
PS. The older 1000 cc AT was higher, almost as high as the gigantic T7, and also heavier than the 1100 cc, but it still felt slightly lighter than the T7, standing still.
Interesting perspective.. it makes sense to me as well, although I haven't ridden the T7.
he did say he was comparing the 2019 not the 2020, and I agree-that 2019 AT AS is crazy tall (even at my 5'11")
Yes, the crf1000 is tall, but the T7 is even taller, and T7 have a VERY high center of gravity.
I have experience of crf1000, crf1100 and T7.
And in my opinion, the 1100 feels both smallest and lightest (standing still) of the three. On the roll, T7 feels slightly lighter than AT1100, but not by much.
Size vice T7 and AT1000 are more alike, but T7 still feels slightly larger.
But why compare the T7 with the old AT? I mean, ai don’t mean to complain about it, of course it is okey to do it, and in a way it is reasonable from an economic perspective, to compare a new T7 with a used AT.
But still - the 2019 AT doesn’t feel larger than the T7, at least not by me. And the 2020 AT feels significantly smaller.
According to Honda USA's website (no we have not put the bikes on a scale) the 2019/20 are within 5lbs of each other, and have the same dimensions. We just happen to have a 2019 AT out there that day, and really, the point was just to answer the question for many riders who had asked: "Which is right for me?" Citing that the two bikes are very similar (being built for similar types of riding, both outstanding values in terms of reliability from top-end mfgs, etc.) we just wanted to remind folks that sometimes picking the larger bike can lead to intimidation, and more challenges riding. Perhaps it's always best to choose on the smaller side of things, and just relax, ride, and smile : ) --- Thanks for commenting.
@@RIDEAdventures Reminds me of my KTM 990 S (the tall suspension). With its high center of gravity, sheer weight, and also height it was actually a bit of a handful at times. I am now on a R1200GS doing the same type of riding, about 60% offroad, 40% onroad. In my view a better bike overall than the KTM, even though the KTM is better when get gets really technical.
Yamaha probably only because my blood is blue
Fun video, thanks for sharing. Unfortunately, I have to choose between a street-legal kx500 or a VMax. ...unless I can convince my wife that I won the lottery. And she says size matters; if its small she doesn't have to respect it as much in the whoops.
Remind her that, "the correct number of motorcycles you're supposed to have is equal to your current number, +1." That ought to do it: ) Happy convincing, and thanks for sharing.
None of them 😬. I did 6500 km of twisty roads, gravel roads & very easy/light off-roads with my Triumph Tiger 900 GT 2020 & i am very happy with it; seat height of only 810 mm in low position is very accessible fort short riders & it is giving a lot of confidence. But i would not do real off-roading with it. It’s a perfect bike for me, for my height, for my uses : commuting, travelling, riding twisty roads, gravel roads, easy/light off-roads, two up, ... But i definitely need to get rid of stock tires 90/10 to install Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR as soon as they are back in stock where i live.
I went with the AT. I'm 5'11, with shortish legs (getting my feet down is a bit tricky at times) but a large upper body. At 135kg (300lb), I'm definitely no feather weight. Besides all that, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I love the look of my red AT. 😎
Yea, haven't heard anyone say they don't like the snazzy looks of the Africa Twins yet. Thanks for sharing, RIDE on!
For 5,7' height 195 pounds stock dude which one would be best?
Regrets, but we can't possibly fit people properly by text : ) Best to stop by your dealer and go for a ride, or we have them for rent.
Wouldn’t the T7 and the 701 be a better comparison??? Other than the twin vs single
Exactly, we feel a Single vs. a Twin is kind of an Apple vs. an Orange. Both delicious, but....
@@RIDEAdventures
I haven’t got a Orange yet, but I will add one to my Apple collection someday 👍
I'm not a little boy (6.3 and 220 pounds) but I hate those big and heavy machines, AT or GS 1200. Something about 330 kg wet, 21x18 socket wheels, 50 hp or more, good adjustable suspension, 300 miles of ranges, 6 gears, low weight distribution, injected and bullet proof reliability, good dealer's network would make me hapy :) Any ideas? :))
Just to clarify, did you mean 330kg or 330lbs? A 330kg adventure bike may upset the earth's seemingly smooth rotation on its axis.
@@RIDEAdventures Sorry about that, 330 lbs of cours (150kg)
@@crazyosva, ha, ha, good. You're probably looking at a Husqvarna 701 Enduro or KTM 690 Enduro, OR, Honda would you please start making the XR 650R again, good and reliable, and so friggin' capable, just like you used to? Honda? Please? You'll have to add a fuel tank to any of these, but others might have suggestions.
@@RIDEAdventures I would prefer a Honda XR 650 2021 for sure - had some very bad experience with 2019 KTM 690 enduro R after 10.000 km gear box out. Changed on warranty, but...Friend of mine has oil consumption problems on his brand new 701 enduro...still amazing motorcycles, wish Honda made them :)
Nice video again, keep going! 😉👌🏻
Thanks, will do, more ahead!
Africa Twin
Hello dear friends
Please need your advice I want motorcycle adventure bout I'm confused bmw 1250 GS
Africa twin 1100 adventure sport
Ktm 1290 adventure
I need it for the hard roads (off road 80%) in the Sahara, ( Desert) Africa because of my job thank you so much
Until we've been there, we can't say for sure, but those are 3 very capable bikes you mentioned. Our choice would be the Honda, given it's proven reliability in comparison to the other 2 brands mentioned. Have fun!
@@RIDEAdventures thank you so much for your advice 👍
cool job good luck
AT is not the perfect adv. Too big heavy and sophistcated. It is a japanese competitor to bmw. T7 is lighter simple and more adv oriented
So what bike is best for a guy with a 29.5 inseam and weighs 225?
What type of terrain?
You missed out of comfort! On AT you can sit for hours. My friend who has T7 is in pain from the seat after 4-5 hours.
AT has much better protection from the elements
T7 is lighter and more nimble. When going off road AT goes down a lot due to softer suspension. I hit many more rocks than my buddy due to that extra over 100 lb (I have the DCT).
However DCT is a pleasure off road but a bit harder when need to slip the clutch (none existing).
T7 has no DCT....
AT comes with built in panniers that T7 has not. So take the panniers off and it looks great...
AT is more powerful but both will have same performance due to weight.
T7 feels much more nimble
Same amount of noise
AT has more electronics
Both reset when you turn bike off.
Shame you actually didn’t compare the bikes but weight...
Was also looking for a comparisson instead of a general advice. Since you have ridden them both. Which one do you prefer? I have a 2016 manual AT and I'm considering a T7. How does the T7 handle highway speeds? Does the AT has more power left on the highway? And how do they differ in the twisties? Offroad I'm sure the T7 will be slightly better although the AT is also great offroad.
Cheers
@@jasperkingofkings AT has so much power that the tires will hold you back. 50/50 tires start to wobble much before you squeeze the throttle to the end. T7 handles 150-160 KM/H without a blink. great on highway. the older AT has a bit more issue in the twists. you will have to push the handles a bit more. T7 is more agile. T7 gets a lot of wind on highway, AT none! on the At you can put more weight and you will not fill it.the DCT is amazing off road (as long as you do not want to raise the front). T7 feels half the weight.
@@OnMyWayBack888 thanks mate! I will hold on to my AT for now as I love it and the longer highway rides seem better. Also the sound in amazing with the Akra. Next week she's in for a valve adjustment.
The soft front end did nearly crashed me on some tight corner where I went in too fast. I'll be upgrading it soon with a Hyperpro progressive spring.
How are these two bikes in the same category? They are so much different.
Both adventure bikes, twin cylinder, with 21/18's, budget-friendly and made by reliable manufacturers, they go the same places, similar suspension travel, minimal electronics.......hmm.....yea, guess they're not similar?
Their power to weight ratio's are very similar
Can’t disagree, but there’s another indicator of appropriateness: Buy the bike, take it off the sand, stand back . . . and let it drop. If your heart starts to bleed and tears come to your eyes, you’ve bought the wrong adventure bike.
Good one. The first scratch is often a gateway to higher levels of fun and adventure.
Well, I do like the KTM 790 R RALLY. This one is somehow low in weight but has very high offroad capabilities. More bugs are needed to pay, more bugs are found to fix. Bikes from Japan are more reliable as the orange one, that I have to admit. ;-)
Yamaha Tenere 700
AT with dct and traction control, T 700 is absolutely no match.
Love the channel, the music has so go.
Yea, we're working on something new so don't give up on us yet : )
Africa Twin is the most multitasking. Especially this basic version from 2019.
We were suggesting that each bike was on the extreme upper-levels of multi-tasking, but some riders might fit one bike better than the other.
@@RIDEAdventures Yamaha does not have traction control, engine power output adjustment, engine braking adjustment, seat height adjustment, effective wind protection, rear seat handles. Offroad is similar to the Africa Twin but worse on other terrain. 2019 Honda is not as heavy as 2020 and there is no redundant electronics.
@@michag738, pretty sure Honda AT's changed by about 5lbs between 2019 and 20, and many riders agree that Traction control, Engine braking, etc. are completely unnecessary for bikes with this little power. Wait, yes, these bikes are plenty powerful. And yes, TC can sure save a rider when a surprise patch of oil/sand shows up on otherwise perfectly-paved surfaces, or maybe wet/slick rain conditions. Maybe in slick mud. But until we're getting around 150 to 200 hp, come on.....there's no need for Traction Control in dry dirt/gravel. Even with 150+hp, picking one gear higher is traction control enough. Right? Thanks for sharing. RIDE on!
@@RIDEAdventures For me, multitasking means driving in all conditions - from mud to the highway. For this AT is better configured. In off-road it can behave like 700cc but on the highway - 100hp.
@Bob Sacamano I'm pretty sure Honda could have squeezed more horses from that plant, but their aim is also to maintain some degree of fuel economy and emissions, while maintaining a low compression, which lends greatly to engine longevity and performance with lower grade fuels.
Hello Eric, everyone is talking about motorcycle tests from Africa Twin, BMW GS, Tenere 700 and more .....?! what does yamaha Tenere 1200 say about it, it's old and won't give anymore, what do you say is too old, not good? what are you saying .
Best regards From DE !
Sebastian
Sebastian, the idea to convey was that a mid-sized rider might want to be careful about making such a "heavyweight commitment" like the Tenere 1200, even though it was never mentioned in the videos. That's still a great, relevant bike that lots of riders enjoy, but yea, being pretty much the heaviest? in the category, a point to consider. Hope that helps. RIDE on!
@@RIDEAdventures 😁👍
5'7 165lbs - Tiger 800 XCA all the way
How about inseam? It'll help other riders match-up by sharing this info. Thanks for the note.
@@RIDEAdventures 28" in-seam - I'm a short arse with rugby forward legs - in my usual Forma Terra Evo boots (i.e. decent soles) I flat-foot the bike with my left leg without leaning - only put down the left foot anyway most/all of the time if ground slope allows
@@zeuszoegutsy, powerful legs, got it. Same here, I'm built a bit like Shrek (short legs), but not as good-looking. Anyway, thanks for sharing, as these specifics help other viewers in their shopping decisions. ---- Eric
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Isn't the shifter on the left side of those bikes? It is on my bikes, and that would be awkward for me taking off if my left foot were the one down. Also, stowing and deploying the kickstand would be a challenge since those are also on the left on all my bikes.
@@elgringoec I finish shifting before I come to a standstill and finish braking with the rear only in most instances
clearly, after I've come to a complete and stable stop, I'll switch legs to deploy the sidestand if I'm going to be getting off the bike
firm believer that you need at least one foot on the pegs at all times for balance and to keep a feel for the bike
Yamaha NAILED IT. They understand the adventure RIDER market. Honda understands the adventure POSER market.
Interesting. What's wrong with the Honda Africa Twin, or Honda in general? (Or do you work for Yamaha?)
POSER? Suggesting what? Adventures can only take place in rough terrain? If it's a hard diet of single trail or rock gardens, my choice is my pick-up towing a camper with beds and beer, with a dirt bike in the box. The T7 will be somewhat better in the right hands on technical terrain - it is a great bike. I'd take the AT any day of the week for my needs and my travels, which include camping along the Labrador Highway.
Im 6.6 190 punds, I cant decide....
Probably Africa Twin. Tough one. Lighter is nicer sometimes, too, so it depends how technical or open-road you'll be riding.
what was that movie...
American version of "The Office"
Ummm..t7 is 21 not 20
In Germany it's even 2019 ;-)
The T7 wins in maneuverability, but the AT takes the gold in looks 🤩
Most peoples likes afria twin
what a waste of time , which ones better \/ depends which one you like ffs !
what a shame , i was expecting sooo much more from this review , wasted video, the intro was almost as long as the video itself !
Yeah us too. Not one of our favorite productions amongst the team here at RIDE. Our newer stuff I think is much better if you haven’t seen it yet. Take care - G
@@RIDEAdventures ill have a look bud , I didn't mean to be disrespectful just honest pal😉👍