Straight up bro, he's always wrenching and driving to events, puts in the hard yards and hopefully that comes into fruition in his own builds and driving career
Would be interesting to track down an engineer who worked on the S15 chassis, they've all got to be retired by now, and I suspect they'd have some stories to tell about 90's Nissan cost engineering...
Funny thing my s15 has all the exact same rust issues like yours does. This content will help me get further with my build I’m hyped and thankful for this content 😍 man I am so happy this is such an reliev. I was the whole time so sad and didn’t know if I can do all this seeing this gives me so much hope to clean mine up. 😮💨😮💨
I am glad someone remakes those pieces, because that could save you all the time and labor from having to cut out and replace the whole front clip of the abandoned s15.
It goes like this Sam. A monocock chassis is designed to flex. Steal can only flex so much before it fatigues. And paint and seam sealer can only flex so much before it cracks and splits. It's movement which creates these flawed areas Movement and trapped water
Great video man, and an interesting discussion at the end. 30 years ago I wouldn't have pictured manufacturers making cars to be 'disposable' like things are these days. These days I definitely think cars are not made to last long at all, however with that said technology these days has probably improved production process greatly. Its an interesting thing to think about. Love to see the restoration process, those replacement panels are fire!
I‘m an Engineer and I wouldn’t say that things are ”engineered to fail“ as I so often hear. More so that if the amount of time used to make it perfect and the best chemicals and materials used out weighed the predicted lifecycle of the product then it would not make financial sense and it would not be given the go ahead. It would be too expensive if it was built to last forever and no one in the modern world wants to keep a new car for more than a few years. You also have to remember that an Engineering company is full of people and mistakes CAN HAPPEN…and often do…and if it’s too awkward and expensive to rectify and the numbers say it won’t matter (someone with the car 23 after it was built doesn’t matter going off the numbers 😢) then it won’t be fixed, and that is if it was realised at the time. It’s pretty cut throat when it comes down to it as a car company is a business and needs to make cars for their customer base only. This doesn’t always happen though, look at things like the LFA or the F35, in these cases more time was taken to make them as good as they can be, but was it worth it? Engineers are not evil…business people are 😱😱
The rant around 18:00 something, engineers in this field tend to not consider maintenance or long term complications with ownership. Exactly what he's saying at like around 18:30ish. And the term he's thinking of right after that is "planned obsolescence", and everything built over the past 100 years or so has an element of that in it which has gotten considerably worse over time to the point now where things are built to break. I believe the concept originated with light bulbs; in a nutshell there was an industry conference back in the 1920s iirc to address the fact that bulbs had such a long lifespan, so long that the industry had to create a solution so they would burn out quicker in order for people to keep buying bulbs. Every other industry took notice eventually and implemented those practices.
It seems to me that the manufacturer build to what the budget allows. It may have been easier and cheaper to build that section with so many pieces instead of one more complex stamping. Today we have chemicals that can prevent that rust from happening, but it comes at a cost. I don't think anyone would dream that these cars would be driven like they are 30 years after manufacture. This is where the real car guys shine. You are doing your best to save these magnificent beasts from death by rust. Those replacement panels are bead rolled so they are much stronger than the originals. When you are done, those tubs will be stronger than stock....AND NO BOG!! Keep the faith mate, and thank you for the content.
Man I met Sammit at the Englishtown event And what a awesome guy he was nicest guy ever definitely puts out the best content over anyone else in my opinion love this guy glad to see the abandoned s15 getting some love keep doing what your doing Sam
The Zinc coating is a cold dip galvanizing essentially. We sell the same thing made by CRC at my work. As someone studying mechanical engineering specializing in automotive design, those spots holding moisture wouldn't be noticed or cared about. 5 year warranty, their primary goal is to make sure the car lasts 5 years. Beyond that they don't care. That isn't to say it's good engineering lol, I'd definitely want to see long term effects on something I'd design and avoid this.
That's a really cool channel you got. I was so close to visiting and working in Okinawa at one point. I was creating my Motion Capture portfolio and in late 2015 I was in contact with Capcom about the facial likeness role of Leon for the Resident Evil 2 Remake. I failed to mention I also have a voice acting background, in the end I lost the part and I can't forgive myself for wasting such an opportunity. That would've been a real dream come true to visit South East Asia.
I trained as a product designer at university in the late 90’s and ‘planned obsolescence’ was part of our course. The discussion of the everlasting old school light bulb came up, even in the 60s they could make one last forever but all the manuf decided together that they would never release it, they even design switches on appliances to last 10000 times and break on the 10001 use! I think car manufacturers do the same, I understand that cars are only designed to last 10 years maximum before things start degrading!
I'd say the manufacturer knows there are issues which will cause rust down the line. But it's a Production line and they want to churn out as many cars as they can and doing it right would take more Production time and require more humans than robots. So I'd say you're right, they know, but aren't bothered as it's not going to happen for 20 odd years. I.e. the balance between quality and productivity. Similar with my 300zx, Nissan ran the targa top drains in hoses down the A and B pillars. The A pillar hoses shrink and pop off the tube that flicks the water out behind the fender. You then have water leak into the footwell and front sill. The B pillar are the most stupid. They run in a hose inside the B pillar that attaches to a metal flange inside the rear sill which has a kinda gutter that then drains out the bottom of the car. The water rusts the flange then the hoses just dangles inside the rear sill. Next thing your sill has rusted. The best bit if you remove the trim panel in the rear there is a inspection hole right above the gutter. I've relocated my hoses so they go straight to the inspection hole and out the bottom of the car instead of via the rear sills, F knows why Nissan didn't do this in the first place.
That primer is great but should also be welded with a fume control system either in hood, bench mounted or floor unit with an arm and for anyone curious why welding anything with zink can create zink oxide
Love what you guys do when I tune in to watch, don't know if anybody has mentioned in the comments regarding removal of putty, Bondo, filler, many different names I have always dealt with these undesirable caked area's using a heat gun wood chisel and wire brush for many years and believe me it helps to keep the dust down massively then finish up with the stripping wheels 😁👍
Great video as always sam I've got to say you have really good people around you i really like daiky he's such a nice polite pleasant person and he makes me chuckle without trying in a good way
I don't think it's necessarily a case of intentionally designing cars to fall apart over a certain period of time, but you can't realistically build a body out of pressed sheet steel and not end up with water traps somewhere. While there are areas where things could often be improved, the cost vs. benefit probably just doesn't add up in a lot of cases. A lot of the desirable '90s Japanese cars are already much older than the average lifespan for a car so, if they're getting to the stage of needing rust repairs at 15-20 years old, they've have probably lasted longer than they needed to. Let's face it, most people don't keep cars 20+ years. Regardless, rust is just a reality of building cars out of steel unfortunately. While things have improved with galvanising etc, anything made out of steel will rust eventually.
Cant wait for the build to be finish and also daiki is a great addition to the team and can’t wait to see some video of daiki comp car and what u plan for him 😊😊
Hey Sam, I'm a software engineer currently working for a major crane manufacturer and also an owner of an S13. Thought I'd do my best to provide some insight to your questions around the 18 minute mark of this video. I'd also like to add that my response is purely speculation based on my own experiences, it would take talking to somone who was actually on the project to be able to attain facts on the matter. *Are the s/r chassis rust problems an oversight by a nissan design engineer.. A good engineer would have seen that...?* Absolutely, this is an oversight in the design stage. It's completely achievable for nissan engineers to have conducted simple tests to see if water was collecting in these areas prior to a product release. In the event that they knew about this issue, they would have been evaluating product lifetime and warranty periods to determine if the cost of a chassis revision was feasible. I will also say that 24 years (S15 released in 1999) is well and truly passed the design life that the nissan engineers would have been instructed to design to. *Are these manufactures making stuff so it does have a shelf life* Yes, in order for Nissan to survive in our capitalist society, they will be designing cars that have a shelf life that ensures maximum profitablity while also adhering to whatever safety or environmental constraints are enforced upon them by government bodies (example ADR - Australian Design Rules). *What would it look like if Nissan were designing cars for society rather than corporate profits?* Nissan would still offer complete support for these cars and offer retrofittable upgrades for new technologies. We are actually seeing this attitude from Toyota with new hydrogen and electric powerplant concepts released for the AE86! How cool is that! To adapt this kind of model though, government bodies will also need to actively participate to ensure legislation is in line with emerging retrofittable technologies. In some areas I would say that they already are, such as the smog laws in California. I'm sure anyone living in California would appreciate some help from Nissan to help make their vehicles pass these inspections. For all it's worth, we are lucky that these cars have lasted how they have. For anyone driving an S/R chassis right now.. Enjoy it while it lasts! Let's all take care of our things and nurture our community. P.s Thanks for the video Sam!
@@skater-oc3fr I've been very fortunate to have spent a decent amount of time working with a couple of good engineers who actually want to design for humanity rather than profits early in my career. Mentorship is a hell of a thing. Thank you for your kind words.
FC rx7 have a similar problem there’s a internal area in the front and the water stays in there and it’s worse than s15 you don’t know there’s rust until you do and when you find out it’s too late
Great video and information on the S-Series nissans common rust spots. Atleast we know the previous owner of the car didnt have a lot of money and a garage with more than one car to choose to drive. Maybe he should have used all his time and money to buy and order body panels to weld in, not to mention buying self etching primer for the job and restore the car before abandoning it. I know from buying my first car to mess around with I also should have known better and restored it completely before wanting to just mod it and use it as a daily... Sadly back in the day I had to go hunting in scrapyards for body panels to weld in, and by then most scrapyards were already raided by others for the same panels for theirs rusting in the same place. Btw, those days noboddy had these new welders and plasma cutters.. oxygen, acetylene welding with a torch for bird poop lol
Konichiwa Aussie, bro. Great content. The New Zealander is an excellent fabricator. The fabrication is awesome 👊 Fortunately, my R33 was directly imported from Japan when manufactured. "Grey import," 👍 Go Daiki Sugoi 👊🇦🇺 Technology has changed, and R&D can't foresee 25 years ahead. Don't buy a car unless it is proven over time. Arigato ✌️
They definitely engineer them to rot away in certain climates. In the north east of the USA we have 30 year old accords and Camrys that are nearly rust free. While brand new trucks have frame rot within 5 years. It’s all about how they prep the vehicles when assembling.
The material you can use for truck frames is not the same material you can use for body panels it’s not just about paint and as far as the rust problems on 90s cars that really depends when they started doing double wall chassis construction because it’s easy to miss when you’ve never built that way before
I think it was the material finish that was a problem with those models. Not enough input back then to cure the problem, but I think the company has fixed those issues with the cars now
My wife had a 2010 Toyota Corolla sedan and the paint was shocking. She got it when it was about two years old and pretty soon chunks of paint were literally washing off. After going to a touchless car wash one day a strip of paint along the right, front guard (Fender to you Seppos) about 3/4 of an inch wide and 5 inches long came off exposing the etch primed metal surface underneath. The car was reliable and ran flawlessly, but the paint was a Friday arvo special.
I remember back in the 90s when Silvias and 240sx were known as "slow" sports cars, and you'd rarely see them being featured in car magazines. Goes to show that car journalism is crap. Just like how car journalists somehow are always biased against the Viper, then suddenly now they make nostalgia articles about how great it was. Whatever sells copies/generates clicks, i guess 🤦
Seen u on lz videos didn’t know u had a channel you popped up as suggested and this was first video I seen of your great content man awesome cars following look forward to going back and watching more of your content
I have seen Mercedes, VW and LDV vehicles rusting at 4 years old, with only the Mercedes being covered under warranty. I’m not surprised that a 20+ yo Nissan has rust, but that was more than I would have expected.
From my experience weld through primer works on a thermodynamic principle when welded on, and I believe cars are designed with built in redundancy, EG my mechanic told me not to buy any Audi or Mercedes with over 100k as they can have serious issues at that point they might grenade at any point
I'm going to just acid dip my chassis then get it e-coated. I got rust on my s14 and it makes me sad. considering the s14 I had before was no rust at all supposedly.
Great to see the anbandoned s15 come along, love the whole series from find to build and some day the end. Also love the exbogan, nice to see her come along (still sad its to nice, need to get a future bogancar when there is time). Yes new cars are def. made to work 5-10years then shipped of to random thirdworld country, but they gonna have it worse and worse with todays tech compared to old cars, also the reason why i stick to max 90s cars. Keep up the good work Sam!
As a fabricator that used to repair trucks im 100 percent certain there is lots of hidden rust throughout the car. All depends what your future plans are for the car as to how far you dig.
20:09 sam back then rust proofing old tech is used. New cars go through new tech in rust proofing. They chemical dip chassis nowadays that prevents rust. However we won't be able to know how long that will last.
I worked 6+ years in authoriesed BMW bodyshop, seen & trained throughout the years of chassis structure, i can tell u nowadays chassis corrosion preventive measures are leaps & bounds, roughly within 20 years the car won't rust till the point where u will be killed in an accident due to rusty chassis, but, no matter how well the preventive measures are, chassis still can rust tho, just not so bad as the 90' & early 2000 chassis
The older cars (80-90's) we better put together than most modern cars. I've seen 2013 cars rusted out beyond repair. Almost all manufacturers quit using any sort of undercoating like you find on all 90's cars. It's called planned obsolescence, it's why refrigerators, washers, dryers, vehicles, houses, and even light bulbs all seem to have a shorter lifespan than their older counterparts.
Planned obsolescence is a real thing. It's a common way to sell you the next product. Look at the cell phone. Do you still use your iPod if the latest iPhone has the same features? On the flip side you do find overengineering in select few products.
They don’t care about the rust. If they wanted to they could 100% prevent it from rotting out. It’s designed that way. Think of it as planned obsolescence. And they also have a price point to meet. And rust proofing it would add to that price point.
Would it be possible to add a quick air connector and a plug at the lowest point of the tubs and just blow all water out if you do happen to take it out on a rainy day ?
Heehee. The hair's a good look for you, Daiki. :) (As for that moisture-trap problem, I don't imagine it was so much deliberate as being too costly or time-consuming to seal up more thoroughly. Maybe something to do with assembly robots?)
Sam its not just the s chassis n r chassis we as car people have been dealing with this problem for ever im gonna tell everyone right now that certain cars have their design issues and its well known which cars have issues and where these issues are and its not just imports its domestic cars also im in usa
On comment about the internal rust I know back here in Australia, the Nissan gq patrol had such a major problem with the roofs rusting that they did actually go back and start hot dip galvanising the roofs (well at least that’s what I been told) so maybe they don’t mean to create these flaws
I think everything is built with a "shelf life" especially new electronics and appliances, a lot of stuff today wouldn't last 30 years like the Silvia has. There's a lot of cars out there that rust out in ten years that are way newer, I think that's why you hear old timers saying stuff like "things are built like they used to be" also the grade or standard of steel that's acceptable has also gone way down bc its cheaper ect...
On the note of the end rant the piles of toxic unrecyclable batteries from ev cars will is going to be one of the biggest problems we will face if every car goes that way
I don't care what anyone else says, Daiky is a boss. I can't wait to see some build videos on his comp car.
I agree
Straight up bro, he's always wrenching and driving to events, puts in the hard yards and hopefully that comes into fruition in his own builds and driving career
I think its daiki i could be wrong though.
@@Inveriul You’re right Japanese words (names) never end with a consonant. Unless, they have a foreign name.
yeah i dont think anyone even knows who he is let alone people saying anything about him, weird way to start a complement
Would be interesting to track down an engineer who worked on the S15 chassis, they've all got to be retired by now, and I suspect they'd have some stories to tell about 90's Nissan cost engineering...
We need more body panel makers like Doyle in this world...
Funny thing my s15 has all the exact same rust issues like yours does. This content will help me get further with my build I’m hyped and thankful for this content 😍 man I am so happy this is such an reliev. I was the whole time so sad and didn’t know if I can do all this seeing this gives me so much hope to clean mine up. 😮💨😮💨
I am glad someone remakes those pieces, because that could save you all the time and labor from having to cut out and replace the whole front clip of the abandoned s15.
It goes like this Sam. A monocock chassis is designed to flex. Steal can only flex so much before it fatigues. And paint and seam sealer can only flex so much before it cracks and splits.
It's movement which creates these flawed areas
Movement and trapped water
Awesome video as always Sammit. I'm so stoked to see Rem and Ram rolling together on the streets of Japan.
2:57 'The bogan but actually not bogan R32' ..... perfection!
Great video man, and an interesting discussion at the end. 30 years ago I wouldn't have pictured manufacturers making cars to be 'disposable' like things are these days. These days I definitely think cars are not made to last long at all, however with that said technology these days has probably improved production process greatly. Its an interesting thing to think about. Love to see the restoration process, those replacement panels are fire!
All to make more money bro
I feel that
I‘m an Engineer and I wouldn’t say that things are ”engineered to fail“ as I so often hear. More so that if the amount of time used to make it perfect and the best chemicals and materials used out weighed the predicted lifecycle of the product then it would not make financial sense and it would not be given the go ahead.
It would be too expensive if it was built to last forever and no one in the modern world wants to keep a new car for more than a few years.
You also have to remember that an Engineering company is full of people and mistakes CAN HAPPEN…and often do…and if it’s too awkward and expensive to rectify and the numbers say it won’t matter (someone with the car 23 after it was built doesn’t matter going off the numbers 😢) then it won’t be fixed, and that is if it was realised at the time.
It’s pretty cut throat when it comes down to it as a car company is a business and needs to make cars for their customer base only. This doesn’t always happen though, look at things like the LFA or the F35, in these cases more time was taken to make them as good as they can be, but was it worth it?
Engineers are not evil…business people are 😱😱
The rant around 18:00 something, engineers in this field tend to not consider maintenance or long term complications with ownership. Exactly what he's saying at like around 18:30ish. And the term he's thinking of right after that is "planned obsolescence", and everything built over the past 100 years or so has an element of that in it which has gotten considerably worse over time to the point now where things are built to break.
I believe the concept originated with light bulbs; in a nutshell there was an industry conference back in the 1920s iirc to address the fact that bulbs had such a long lifespan, so long that the industry had to create a solution so they would burn out quicker in order for people to keep buying bulbs. Every other industry took notice eventually and implemented those practices.
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It seems to me that the manufacturer build to what the budget allows. It may have been easier and cheaper to build that section with so many pieces instead of one more complex stamping. Today we have chemicals that can prevent that rust from happening, but it comes at a cost. I don't think anyone would dream that these cars would be driven like they are 30 years after manufacture. This is where the real car guys shine. You are doing your best to save these magnificent beasts from death by rust. Those replacement panels are bead rolled so they are much stronger than the originals. When you are done, those tubs will be stronger than stock....AND NO BOG!! Keep the faith mate, and thank you for the content.
The bead roll makes the replacement panels look so much better an makes strong enough to not oil can pop
to clean out the bog use a corse wire wheel in a grinder works hella good
Ds customworx getting the credit he deserves! As a ex panelbeater and fellow kiwi his quality of work is the best I’ve seen!!
Sam hat off while eating keeping it on is bad manners😂
Man I met Sammit at the Englishtown event And what a awesome guy he was nicest guy ever definitely puts out the best content over anyone else in my opinion love this guy glad to see the abandoned s15 getting some love keep doing what your doing Sam
The Zinc coating is a cold dip galvanizing essentially. We sell the same thing made by CRC at my work. As someone studying mechanical engineering specializing in automotive design, those spots holding moisture wouldn't be noticed or cared about. 5 year warranty, their primary goal is to make sure the car lasts 5 years. Beyond that they don't care. That isn't to say it's good engineering lol, I'd definitely want to see long term effects on something I'd design and avoid this.
That's a really cool channel you got. I was so close to visiting and working in Okinawa at one point. I was creating my Motion Capture portfolio and in late 2015 I was in contact with Capcom about the facial likeness role of Leon for the Resident Evil 2 Remake. I failed to mention I also have a voice acting background, in the end I lost the part and I can't forgive myself for wasting such an opportunity. That would've been a real dream come true to visit South East Asia.
I trained as a product designer at university in the late 90’s and ‘planned obsolescence’ was part of our course. The discussion of the everlasting old school light bulb came up, even in the 60s they could make one last forever but all the manuf decided together that they would never release it, they even design switches on appliances to last 10000 times and break on the 10001 use! I think car manufacturers do the same, I understand that cars are only designed to last 10 years maximum before things start degrading!
Love the fact, that you are doing your body work by yourself!
I'd say the manufacturer knows there are issues which will cause rust down the line.
But it's a Production line and they want to churn out as many cars as they can and doing it right would take more Production time and require more humans than robots.
So I'd say you're right, they know, but aren't bothered as it's not going to happen for 20 odd years.
I.e. the balance between quality and productivity.
Similar with my 300zx, Nissan ran the targa top drains in hoses down the A and B pillars. The A pillar hoses shrink and pop off the tube that flicks the water out behind the fender. You then have water leak into the footwell and front sill.
The B pillar are the most stupid. They run in a hose inside the B pillar that attaches to a metal flange inside the rear sill which has a kinda gutter that then drains out the bottom of the car. The water rusts the flange then the hoses just dangles inside the rear sill. Next thing your sill has rusted.
The best bit if you remove the trim panel in the rear there is a inspection hole right above the gutter. I've relocated my hoses so they go straight to the inspection hole and out the bottom of the car instead of via the rear sills, F knows why Nissan didn't do this in the first place.
That primer is great but should also be welded with a fume control system either in hood, bench mounted or floor unit with an arm and for anyone curious why welding anything with zink can create zink oxide
Love what you guys do when I tune in to watch, don't know if anybody has mentioned in the comments regarding removal of putty, Bondo, filler, many different names I have always dealt with these undesirable caked area's using a heat gun wood chisel and wire brush for many years and believe me it helps to keep the dust down massively then finish up with the stripping wheels 😁👍
Dykee is the man!
Great video as always sam I've got to say you have really good people around you i really like daiky he's such a nice polite pleasant person and he makes me chuckle without trying in a good way
I don't think it's necessarily a case of intentionally designing cars to fall apart over a certain period of time, but you can't realistically build a body out of pressed sheet steel and not end up with water traps somewhere. While there are areas where things could often be improved, the cost vs. benefit probably just doesn't add up in a lot of cases. A lot of the desirable '90s Japanese cars are already much older than the average lifespan for a car so, if they're getting to the stage of needing rust repairs at 15-20 years old, they've have probably lasted longer than they needed to. Let's face it, most people don't keep cars 20+ years. Regardless, rust is just a reality of building cars out of steel unfortunately. While things have improved with galvanising etc, anything made out of steel will rust eventually.
Cant wait for the build to be finish and also daiki is a great addition to the team and can’t wait to see some video of daiki comp car and what u plan for him 😊😊
Putty and paint makes a welder what he aint!😂😂😂
Rusty Datsuns. Have seen my fair share of them. In the 70's, they were already rusting when the customer took delivery new.
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Hey Sam, I'm a software engineer currently working for a major crane manufacturer and also an owner of an S13. Thought I'd do my best to provide some insight to your questions around the 18 minute mark of this video. I'd also like to add that my response is purely speculation based on my own experiences, it would take talking to somone who was actually on the project to be able to attain facts on the matter.
*Are the s/r chassis rust problems an oversight by a nissan design engineer.. A good engineer would have seen that...?*
Absolutely, this is an oversight in the design stage. It's completely achievable for nissan engineers to have conducted simple tests to see if water was collecting in these areas prior to a product release. In the event that they knew about this issue, they would have been evaluating product lifetime and warranty periods to determine if the cost of a chassis revision was feasible. I will also say that 24 years (S15 released in 1999) is well and truly passed the design life that the nissan engineers would have been instructed to design to.
*Are these manufactures making stuff so it does have a shelf life*
Yes, in order for Nissan to survive in our capitalist society, they will be designing cars that have a shelf life that ensures maximum profitablity while also adhering to whatever safety or environmental constraints are enforced upon them by government bodies (example ADR - Australian Design Rules).
*What would it look like if Nissan were designing cars for society rather than corporate profits?*
Nissan would still offer complete support for these cars and offer retrofittable upgrades for new technologies. We are actually seeing this attitude from Toyota with new hydrogen and electric powerplant concepts released for the AE86! How cool is that! To adapt this kind of model though, government bodies will also need to actively participate to ensure legislation is in line with emerging retrofittable technologies. In some areas I would say that they already are, such as the smog laws in California. I'm sure anyone living in California would appreciate some help from Nissan to help make their vehicles pass these inspections.
For all it's worth, we are lucky that these cars have lasted how they have. For anyone driving an S/R chassis right now.. Enjoy it while it lasts! Let's all take care of our things and nurture our community.
P.s Thanks for the video Sam!
Dude how do you get your mindset like that man it’s fucking goals
@@skater-oc3fr I've been very fortunate to have spent a decent amount of time working with a couple of good engineers who actually want to design for humanity rather than profits early in my career. Mentorship is a hell of a thing. Thank you for your kind words.
@@jonathonharris2429 thank you so much i think i can sleep now
FC rx7 have a similar problem there’s a internal area in the front and the water stays in there and it’s worse than s15 you don’t know there’s rust until you do and when you find out it’s too late
That's amazing, now, you don't have to chop off the front end minus the rusted parts. The abandoned S15 is definitely coming along great
Great video and information on the S-Series nissans common rust spots.
Atleast we know the previous owner of the car didnt have a lot of money and a garage with more than one car to choose to drive.
Maybe he should have used all his time and money to buy and order body panels to weld in, not to mention buying self etching primer for the job and restore the car before abandoning it.
I know from buying my first car to mess around with I also should have known better and restored it completely before wanting to just mod it and use it as a daily... Sadly back in the day I had to go hunting in scrapyards for body panels to weld in, and by then most scrapyards were already raided by others for the same panels for theirs rusting in the same place. Btw, those days noboddy had these new welders and plasma cutters.. oxygen, acetylene welding with a torch for bird poop lol
Love seeing all the progress, Sam!🔥🔥🔥
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Konichiwa Aussie, bro. Great content. The New Zealander is an excellent fabricator. The fabrication is awesome 👊 Fortunately, my R33 was directly imported from Japan when manufactured. "Grey import," 👍 Go Daiki Sugoi 👊🇦🇺 Technology has changed, and R&D can't foresee 25 years ahead. Don't buy a car unless it is proven over time. Arigato ✌️
Bad grounding will cause it to rust quick. Also using dielectric isolation materials or devices will help slow down the rust process on metal
They definitely engineer them to rot away in certain climates. In the north east of the USA we have 30 year old accords and Camrys that are nearly rust free. While brand new trucks have frame rot within 5 years. It’s all about how they prep the vehicles when assembling.
The material you can use for truck frames is not the same material you can use for body panels it’s not just about paint and as far as the rust problems on 90s cars that really depends when they started doing double wall chassis construction because it’s easy to miss when you’ve never built that way before
@@Doubie. a trucks frame is mild steel. Your body panels are mild steel. It’s all the same. Just the thickness is different 🤦🏻♂️
love the chat at the end! really makes you think🙃
My s14 has similar rust issues to this s15, that kit is a life saver! As well as him being a local which is pretty cool!
Sammit... it will always be the bogan 32.. you created this monster 😂 live with it my guy
Man that rust was real... also daiki looks cool with the hair!
I think it was the material finish that was a problem with those models. Not enough input back then to cure the problem, but I think the company has fixed those issues with the cars now
My wife had a 2010 Toyota Corolla sedan and the paint was shocking. She got it when it was about two years old and pretty soon chunks of paint were literally washing off. After going to a touchless car wash one day a strip of paint along the right, front guard (Fender to you Seppos) about 3/4 of an inch wide and 5 inches long came off exposing the etch primed metal surface underneath. The car was reliable and ran flawlessly, but the paint was a Friday arvo special.
Daiki just standing in the middle of the engine bay AHHAH i can't he is so cute
IM FORM NZ AND THAT DUDE IS THE BOMB WHEN IT COME TO BODY PARTS FOR THOSE CARS
I remember back in the 90s when Silvias and 240sx were known as "slow" sports cars, and you'd rarely see them being featured in car magazines. Goes to show that car journalism is crap. Just like how car journalists somehow are always biased against the Viper, then suddenly now they make nostalgia articles about how great it was. Whatever sells copies/generates clicks, i guess 🤦
Name the 4 door Silver Surfer ! That sounds pretty cool Sam !
Here in the northeast US, a lot of people who care about their cars oil the chassis before winter. Adding oil prevents rust.
Seen u on lz videos didn’t know u had a channel you popped up as suggested and this was first video I seen of your great content man awesome cars following look forward to going back and watching more of your content
Rust is wild! It will be awesome when the s15 is finished. Good Stuff!
I have seen Mercedes, VW and LDV vehicles rusting at 4 years old, with only the Mercedes being covered under warranty. I’m not surprised that a 20+ yo Nissan has rust, but that was more than I would have expected.
Thanks!
Been awhile since we saw anything about the S15 good sir.
Daiki's hair looks sick 👌
The 32 may no longer be straight bogan, but definitely 'upper-class bogan'
From my experience weld through primer works on a thermodynamic principle when welded on, and I believe cars are designed with built in redundancy, EG my mechanic told me not to buy any Audi or Mercedes with over 100k as they can have serious issues at that point they might grenade at any point
I'm going to just acid dip my chassis then get it e-coated. I got rust on my s14 and it makes me sad. considering the s14 I had before was no rust at all supposedly.
Sam dude absolutely loved this one man. 🤘
Bogan is getting shredded for summer! The BroGains 32!
Great vid Sam! ❤❤❤
Great to see the anbandoned s15 come along, love the whole series from find to build and some day the end.
Also love the exbogan, nice to see her come along (still sad its to nice, need to get a future bogancar when there is time).
Yes new cars are def. made to work 5-10years then shipped of to random thirdworld country, but they gonna have it worse and worse with todays tech compared to old cars, also the reason why i stick to max 90s cars.
Keep up the good work Sam!
That sill piece is fuggin impressive 😮
This video was awesome, BIG update on the s15!
As a fabricator that used to repair trucks im 100 percent certain there is lots of hidden rust throughout the car. All depends what your future plans are for the car as to how far you dig.
We're getting there ..keep on keeping on playa 👍
Ok, so looking into deeper Aussie slang, I'd suggest Wogan, Boganista or Spunt for the R32.
Also, Daiki's hair looks great.
also, I want Ramen.
Sam, despite all the bru-ha-ha engineers are only human and thus not unfailable.
20:09 sam back then rust proofing old tech is used. New cars go through new tech in rust proofing. They chemical dip chassis nowadays that prevents rust. However we won't be able to know how long that will last.
Call the bogan (R party 2) loving the content keep at it sammit
Engjneers generally know about these issues before they happen and theyre told to ignore either for planned obselecence or to keep costs low
I worked 6+ years in authoriesed BMW bodyshop, seen & trained throughout the years of chassis structure, i can tell u nowadays chassis corrosion preventive measures are leaps & bounds, roughly within 20 years the car won't rust till the point where u will be killed in an accident due to rusty chassis, but, no matter how well the preventive measures are, chassis still can rust tho, just not so bad as the 90' & early 2000 chassis
The older cars (80-90's) we better put together than most modern cars. I've seen 2013 cars rusted out beyond repair. Almost all manufacturers quit using any sort of undercoating like you find on all 90's cars.
It's called planned obsolescence, it's why refrigerators, washers, dryers, vehicles, houses, and even light bulbs all seem to have a shorter lifespan than their older counterparts.
very awesome metal kit !!!!!!!!!!
Planned obsolescence is a real thing. It's a common way to sell you the next product. Look at the cell phone. Do you still use your iPod if the latest iPhone has the same features? On the flip side you do find overengineering in select few products.
They don’t care about the rust. If they wanted to they could 100% prevent it from rotting out. It’s designed that way. Think of it as planned obsolescence. And they also have a price point to meet. And rust proofing it would add to that price point.
Would it be possible to add a quick air connector and a plug at the lowest point of the tubs and just blow all water out if you do happen to take it out on a rainy day ?
That is called "planned obsolescence". It all started with light bulbs... Look it up, it's a really interesting topic.
Heehee. The hair's a good look for you, Daiki. :)
(As for that moisture-trap problem, I don't imagine it was so much deliberate as being too costly or time-consuming to seal up more thoroughly. Maybe something to do with assembly robots?)
Dude you have some of the coolest cars on the planet and you and your friends are Awesome keep up the great videos!!
Sam its not just the s chassis n r chassis we as car people have been dealing with this problem for ever im gonna tell everyone right now that certain cars have their design issues and its well known which cars have issues and where these issues are and its not just imports its domestic cars also im in usa
daiky's new helmet looks nice, would look better in pink tho
Yes planed obsolescence is a real thing in the auto industry
The silver surfer!!! Use it sam!!!
On comment about the internal rust I know back here in Australia, the Nissan gq patrol had such a major problem with the roofs rusting that they did actually go back and start hot dip galvanising the roofs (well at least that’s what I been told) so maybe they don’t mean to create these flaws
The car is coming along nicely
What about the baby how is mini sammit going 😍😍👍👍🇦🇺
From nz, what about the PROGAN 32 or PG32 for short ??
Daiki’s hair suits him, its cool.
need to do yearly oil spraying like we do in canada before winter
I think everything is built with a "shelf life" especially new electronics and appliances, a lot of stuff today wouldn't last 30 years like the Silvia has. There's a lot of cars out there that rust out in ten years that are way newer, I think that's why you hear old timers saying stuff like "things are built like they used to be" also the grade or standard of steel that's acceptable has also gone way down bc its cheaper ect...
yessir another s15 build update
On the note of the end rant the piles of toxic unrecyclable batteries from ev cars will is going to be one of the biggest problems we will face if every car goes that way
Daiky is the top G! Wanna see him rip in his car!
Sam I love the window disposal that makes metal disappear.. BTW. I'm the phatom that crashed in on you. With family mart fried chook. Dec22
Take a shot when Sam says "putty", good luck comrades👍
I'm not drunk drunk you are 🥴
Have to keep the bogan 32 name keeps that aussie touch on it 👌🏽