WWII U.S. NAVAL AVIATOR TRAINING FILM "THIS IS IT" REEL 2 33054
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- In this second reel of the 1944 U.S. Navy training film This Is It (MN 84J), viewers watch the unfolding of the incidents that the commander is telling the new pilots about in the first reel of the film. The second reel opens with shots of Douglas SBD pilots in their cockpits talking to each other; one pilot is flying in cloud cover and unsure of his location. The film then cuts to the command room (01:00) where the commander is monitoring the progress of the planes. As news of the Japanese fleet comes in, the Navy pilots run from their quarters to man their planes (03:26). Grumman F6F Hellcats start up their engines and take off from the aircraft carrier (03:40). There is a good shot from another ship’s point of view of the planes taking off. Hellcats fly in formation (04:30) on their way to attack the enemy fleet. There is a shot of pilots in their cockpits from the perspective of outside the plane. A Hellcat breaks from the fighter escort and is shot down (05:48). Planes maneuver into attack formations (08:44). Grumman TBFs drop torpedoes while other planes fire on a Japanese cruiser. There is an aerial shot of a U.S. battleship (11:51); the ship uses signal code to communicate with a pilot. Two planes (a Douglas SBD and what appears to be a Hellcat) fly side-by-side (14:58). Planes land on the carrier (17:08). The film then cuts back to the commander in the briefing room addressing the new pilots about the importance of operational training (20:20).
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I like how they open their canopy to talk to each other like it's just opening the window to your house and yelling at your neighbor lol
In the warbirds I’ve flown in it’s SOP to leave the canopy open during periods of time when you might have to quickly egress the aircraft. Namely, I’ve experienced on takeoff and landing, after gears come up you ascend to 1500’ AGL or so then shut glass. I’ve never seen the ops manual for combat runs but I’m going to guess it’s the same, you’d open glass just in case you have to ditch and egress hastily.
@@c1ph3rpunk right on. I just thought it was funny because they clearly wouldnt be able to hear each other over all the noise and wind. Did you have a survival kit attached to yourself or in arms reach in case you had to bail out into the ocean?
@@c1ph3rpunk THAT makes sense. But opening to the noise of the engine and slipstream just before using the radio, every time, is very confusing.
My god, the FEAR in his eyes when he was told it was a P-40.
Acting.
That was bad news for ENS. Peters. Not only was he going to lose his wings but he was going to spend a long time in the slammer.
That was powerful, even by today's standard.
For real, the bit where it turns out the guy shot down a friendly had me wincing and peeking through my fingers feeling vicariously mortified for him. I can't imagine the unequalled depths of shame that would accompany that, that's quite literally "crawl into a hole and die" level.
I think that every single military career field has a “This is what happens to you If you don’t pay attention in this training course” film. I’m pretty sure I watched one in loadmaster school, survival school along with a half dozen or so in basic as well.
Still relevant to todays U.S Navy and even those in the modern F/A-18s.
A couple of noted Hollywood stars Robert Stack, Richard Conti and a couple of faces I can't put a name to in this film. Even some big names or one day big names did their part in the war effort. 😊
Lessons that are still relevant today.
Being a pilot is serious business, being a navy pilot is double serious!
The way they played bit at the end where it turns out the guy shot down a friendly was expertly mortifying, especially because they set it up in reel 1 so you know something terrible is coming. I was watching through my fingers because I can't imagine the endless depths of shame he must feel, that's quite literally "crawl into a hole and die" stuff.
I kept imagining tho that somehow the universe is balancing itself out and meanwhile across the sea at that exact moment a guy in a Zero is like "Yes! I got a P-40! ...Wai- Huh? Oh. Ohhhhh nooooo..."
And the respective brass are calling each other up like "AGAIN?! ...No YOU make YOUR plane look different! ...Yeah well technically we BOTH have stars on the wings, switch to a moon or something! ...Oh, c'mon, the moon is PLENTY good, what's wrong with a nice moon?"
(It's kind of amusing that the P-40 and the Tony are even both named after birds, the Warhawk and the Hi'en, "Swallow-In-Flight," though of course tons of planes everywhere are named after birds. I always thought it would be interesting if an account of the Pacific theater gave translated versions of the Japanese names and talked about like the carrier Redcastle or the battleship Adamant or Morningtide-class destroyers.)
I'm glad you had the link to this in the comments in part 1. What an amazing show!! Would have scared me straight back then!!
Conclusion...never underestimate the Japanese Aviator...or soldier...
This was fabulous. I can't help but thinking that this film could perhaps have been requested by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, especially Hap Arnold himself. It is very well documented from that time about pilots hot-dogging around, going off to fly under a bridge or those other aircrew who simply had a very arrogant attitude within a narcissistic elitism that enshrouded the image of the American pilot. Even the competition between Aces would give rise to a serious debate upon how the military could curb or simply temper these threats to American aviation discipline. General Doolittle spoke in his memoirs about the challenges faced in this regard and there are other authors out there where the subject comes up for debate. "This Is It" is definitely the answer to it all.
21:29 the message from the CAG was easy to understand: take your training with deadly seriousness it is *NOT* a joke you’re either a Navy pilot or you’re a target for the enemy.
It is always “funny” to see the use of Hand-mics in WWII USN aircraft, when they actually used Throat-mics (a “Hand-mic” could come loose during maneuvering and give the pilot or rear-gunner/radio-operator a concussion).
I don’t remember at the moment if this is because the throat-mics were still “classified” (which would seem strange for a film intended for troops), or if it was just for dramatic purposes.
What gets me is the pilots open the plane's canopy...then start talking on the Mic...the wind turbulence would've screwed up communications with wind noise.
The worst part about the fact that one pilot mistook a Ki-61 Tony for a Curtis P-40 is that they actually made a film to show you how to tell a ZERO from a Curtis P-40. So evidently they had a problem with people shooting down P-40's think they were Mitsubishi A6M's - a plane that looks almost NOTHING like a P-40. Check out this clip on RUclips if you are curious:
"Recognition of the Japanese Zero Fighter, 1943"
You can learn along with a young Ronald Reagan how NOT to shoot down your own planes. :D
Yea but when stressed people very often see what they are expecting to see. That’s why so many people get shot by cops especially at night. A cell phone even a flashlight looks a lot like a gun .
I once drew down on a guy running with a can of Budweiser. Add circumstances like other cops chasing him and running blindly right at me not knowing I was there and coming around the vans rear corner with that hand coming around with a silver looking object in it . When I hollered and he saw the gun he made like a statue. The best part was when I told him to put it down he set it on the bumper and hadn’t spilled a drop🤔. There’s fools and damned fools but the point is if you’re in a jam expecting something dangerous those judgements can be really tough.
This is better than todays Hollywood movies
Most anything is better than today's crap from HW where you also get lectured to about some nonsense.
Today's Hollywood has become a "woke" cesspool. Couldn't agree with you more.
Wow, great pair of films! Thanks PF!
Somebody need to tell the Admiral to take his hands out his damn Pockets. We run a tight ship here.
Arrogance, ignorance, apathy are deadly. Deadly in aviation and in running a nation.
Even if they watched this, it wouldn't sink in todays administration. Blockheads, every one of them.
@@craigpennington1251 This administration is just a puppet for the globalists, neocons, deepstate and collective establishment. Blackrock literally controls our foreign policy, and George Soros controls all our progressive/democrat politicians.
GREAT, and thank you.
It always cracks me up how you could play handball in Hollywood cockpits...🤣
I mean, they filmed in real cockpits (on the ground, of course). Nothing "Hollywood" about it.
Robert Stack as pilot Wilson, “Sugar 5”?
That's Captain Rex Cramer to you mister!
Or capt. John Paul jones.😀
@@bobford01 Looks like we picked the wrong day to trust our memories!
I would like to know the name of the actor who plays the air commander. He does a great and powerful job.
Reed Hadley
Magnificent voice
14:58 - 15:23+ Looks like a SBD with radio trouble and the pilot who could not read flash signals and a TBF who got lost and gave the wrong coordinates to the strike group.
ENS. Burns was lucky to get back to the carrier with his SBD but he probably ended up busted to a desk job at Pearl Harbor.
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This is awesome
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At 11:50, they show a Cleveland-class Light Cruiser in what looks to be Measure 21 Camouflage (Navy Blue Vertical Surfaces, and Deck Blue on Horizontal).
But a minute later at 12:55 the ship is shown in Ms. 22 (Navy Blue on the hull below the Sheer-Line, and Haze Grey above on Vertical Surfaces, and Deck Blue on Horizontal Surfaces).
Woooooah
That got real so fast
Very cool.
I wonder if they used their actual names in real action. "Hello John, this is Freddy." and "OK John, this is Arthur (the admiral)."
1943: Dont be stupid.
2023: Be as stupid as you want, youre a hero.
21:35 "And I'm against you!" No, but seriously, produced by 20th Century Fox, who also made the very decent carrier film "Wing and a Prayer" at about the same time. If you know that film, you will see a lot of cross-over between the two productions. Actually I think this is superior.
There are lots of similarities with 'The Fighting Lady' as well.
I hope this video was also shown to the flight instructors who should have noticed the five key indicators of a hazardous pilot: machoism, disregard for authority, impulsivity, resignation, and invulnerability. If they had identified and tried to correct those traits early on, this video would not have had to be made.
DBZ: In the 80's in naval aviation there was one more extremely rare type: "NAFD" who instructors would weed out immediately "No Apparent Fear of Death".
Unusual film for the genre. Dark, serious, chaotic. Not your typical wartime propaganda. Also, such strange radio procedures back then.
Its was a training film used to teach new aircrews on the importance of some basic skills like check lists, dead reckoning navigation, morse code, and such as discussed in part 1 of this film on this channel. It wasn't for general public consumption.
Also, the radio procedures are strange? In what way? That is probably close to accurate for the time radio procedures used without crossing into the confidential or secret procedures.
Propaganda? Hardly. The public never saw this- it was for pilots only. Go back to your video games and snowflake politics and take your existential film critic vernacular with you. The only thing strange here is that you can actually spell "genre"...
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That's okay, Rossi. Someone else will follow his checklist and be around to keep her company...
Actually, he survived the war and all the Japanese attempts to shoot him down. He lived and prospered for another 10 or so years after the war, only to be shot down once and for all by Al Neri on the steps of the NY courthouse. 😄
Had to watch both parts to put the dots together. A good example how NOT to be complacent especially 05:46 (the F6F IS superior to the A6M but an overconfident pilot can cancel the advantages).
Hence why at the end of the second part the CAG gave a cold shoulder for good reason. Considering that the Navy lost precious F6Fs, SBDs and TBFs along with their pilots for dumb reasons.
Anybody else notice (future Capt.) Rex Cramer before he led the attack on Macho Grande?
No, but I saw Al Capone's nemesis, Eliot Ness.
@@commentatron Yes, but don't forget that he also was a distinguished Navy flight officer during the war. In fact, he commanded Ted Stryker's ill-fated squadron during the dangerous mission to bomb the Depots at Daiquiri!
“Bruddah, I’m only in dis racket for dames with swell gams dat likes fly boys.”
“You said it pal. So far all I got on dis lousy flat top is too little shut eye, a yakkin’ skipper and an achin’ back.”
“Aw, go on you’s two bums. I got da sweetest goil waitin’ for me back home.”
In the 40s every one was from brookyln and Italian
Why didn’t I think of that just drop,a note trick when I lost commas……🤣
Hopefully any any hotdogger think twice before doing any individual heroics.
Both the Tony [ H-61 Hein ] and the P-40 were Army aircraft and would not been involved in a naval battle ,due to their land bases bring so far away .
Whew!!!! tough cookie! great footage!
Where is Dan Gryder when we need him, dammit???!!
The ultimate mistake, killing a friendly.
Not a mistake. He clearly could have learned to recognize different planes.
@@monkfan72 : It is about as bad a recognition error as could be since a mid-war Kawasaki Ki-61"Tony" was nothing like the pre-war Curtiss P-40, which should have been well-known to any American (or British or Aussie or Kiwi) fighter pilot.
He's got that Ronald Reagan airplane identification skill level. : )
The way they played that was genuinely mortifying, especially since they set it up right at the beginning of reel 1 and you knew it was coming.
I can't imagine the unparalleled depths of shame that would accompany that, that's literally "crawl into a hole and die" level.
@@adamnoman4658 And how correct you are! It did not occur to me until I read your comment. He never said "friendly". He simply said "That was a P-40!". Like enough said! Any aviator watching the film would intuitively know the seriousness.
One finnish pilot fly brewster.. he says its ugly like flying barrel against sowiet hurricane or lagg fighter but good guns 4 50cal mg until we get our messers 109☺...
Finnish pilots were much more successful flying Brewster Buffalos than the US Navy....some say US Buffalos were shipped with low power, second hand engines....
Robert Stack is in this film!
Why were 2.8's getting carrier duty? Should have gotten on shore PV-1 Ventura duty
"I never worry about navigation - that's why I haul a navigator around." : )
Who plays the commander?
This reminds me a lot of the Battle of Yavin (Star Wars:A New Hope) You know , the one where Luke Skywalker blew up the Death Star.
I'll bet George Lucas probably saw this at film school.
Where on earth did they get that footage of a Zero firing? Was it film of a captured Zero or was the film captured from the Japanese?
Do you have part one?
ruclips.net/video/fNBwBHTWec4/видео.html
Didn't they have oxygen masks with built in microphones? Seems like a hassle to use a handheld one during flight
That's jimmy Stewart.
What did they mean by..."don't think your 2.8 is going to stack up against his 3.9"?
I think it's a test score from pilot training, in which 4.0 is a perfect score. He's saying "don't think that your decent competence is good enough, when you may be going up against a Japanese pilot who really applied himself and mastered the subject."
Robert Stack 😊
Did they really fly with canopies open like that or is that just for show?
It was a matter of choice early in the war. If your canopy was shut it might be jammed when your aircraft is damaged and you need to bail out. It was a lot colder with an open canopy but many pilots feared being trapped in a burning cockpit with no way out.
At this point in the war they had their canopies shut. These films have the pilots open their canopies before talking on the radio so the audience can see their faces.
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@@davidhoffman6980 thanks
@@BigboiiTone you're welcome.
00:53 Thats Robert Stack.
Surprising how their speech is so allegorical (mainly to poker). Being more direct might get them somewhere. And were we so desperate that we'd tolerate such lax discipline?! How'd they not get dropped from the program after their first insubbordination?!
Reed Hadley, Richard Conte, Phil Brown in the cast. Pretty downbeat for a training film. You don't want aviators afraid of making an occasional mistake.
When an occasional mistake will kill you and others, you don't want to make an occasional mistake.
I was also thinking about the Scout who lost his bearings and have incorrect coordinates for the Japanese force, he could have cost the entire operation and or the element of surprise causing more casualties. Professional should aim for perfection, and this film was likely created in reaction to real occurences.
These weren't mistakes, they were unforced errors caused by bad attitudes in Aviation school.
Morse code☺... ofcourse.
I see where so many of the airplane horror myths have come from watching this. The guys engine starts cutting out and he drops like a stone , with dive speed whistling no less🙄. I know it’s for dramatic purposes but PLEASE . For those of you who never flew a small plane……..THEY GLIDE QUITE WELL👌🏻, even the big ones. They just keep on going at the speed they are trimmed to whatever that may be so ya trim it to best glide speed, just above best climb speed. Then you watch that spot in the windshield . The one where things above are slowly rising and below they are sinking downwards. That’s about where you are going to end up unless you change something.
No they don't glide well at all. they have different wing shapes. Small private planes aren't military fighters.
If your engine quits and you can't feather the prop, you won't be gliding much anywhere.
@@mountainmonk5874 Actually, drizler is absolutely right. Any aircraft from small C150s, to the straight wing fighters of WWII, and even today with swept wing aircraft, they all do glide and, are fully controllable when there is a loss of power. As drizler mentioned, it is a bloody Hollywood myth that once you lose power, the aircraft will go into a dive. Having flown both civilian (A320, B757, and B727) and Naval aircraft (F-8, A-4, T-2 and T-39s) I can attest that they all do glide quite well. Having had several flameouts in both fighter, and attack aircraft, I can assure you they are totally controllable. Think about it when you next fly commercially. When the pilot begins his decent, he often will pull power to idle. This is almost akin to losing power (power at idle thrust is basically negligible) and, if the pilot is high, he might deploy the speed brakes, which due to the added drag, is worse than losing power: having a higher drag than he would have if in a power off descent. When this happens, you will notice that descent is still relatively good, and the aircraft is totally controllable. Yes, a commercial aircraft has a better glide ration than a fighter but, the point is, any plane will be totally controllable and, will not go into a unrecoverable dive.
In the movie, when the Aviator lost power, The aircraft would have maintained the speed he was trimmed for. In that situation he would have (in reality) slowed the aircraft to it best glide speed of L/D max (Lift to drag) and would have been able to glide quite some distance controllably and would have been able to make a reasonable, and most likely successful ditching.
@@jimd1944 Never said uncontrollable, fighters suck at gliding. This is because they have symmetrical wings, so they act more like rudder rather than something that provides lift. Any kind of cargo or passenger plane will have asymmetrical wings to provide better lift with less thrust. It's at a cost of maneuverability but you aren't going to dogfight in a 737.
The only thing that will make a plane uncontrollable is a stall. In a stall without thrust the only thing you do is leaf down to the ground and die if you don't bail. Steeper dive to prevent stall means less horizontal movement.
Every plane in this correct for the time . Not some Hollywood pos.
Steve B I would hope the planes were correct for the time - it was filmed at the time!
@@stickman3214 ...and in and by Hollywood!
@@KutWriteit was made by the Signal Corps with co-operation from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.
"a Hellcat just sank a tin can"....yeah, right. A B-25, B-26 could do that but not even a P-38 with it's highly concentrated firepower could sink a destroyer. A bit of wartime hyperbole, there...
You do know fighyer can carry bombs right?
That also goes for Hellcat that is well known that also capable of becoming fighter bomber, it could even carry torpedo.
@@cardiv5zuikaku944 Torpedo, no. The Hellcat was designed SPECIFICALLY to shoot down Zeros. The bombs and rockets it carried were standard to all US fighters which were NEVER known as "bombers". The term "fighter-bomber" was not yet in common use. So, no, a Hellcat did NOT just sink a tin can. It's called "hyperbole" or "exaggeration for the sake of drama".
It was capable of carrying torpedo though,
Albeit they never use it in combat.
But sure, the rest is correct, my mistake
Armor piercing rounds punch through to the magazine ...BOOM!!! Tin can down! Don't sit on your couch pretending to be an expert on what was or wasn't "possible" in WWII.
The lost pilot was ill trained . Should have stayed in flight school.
ENS. Andrews (“Sugar 5-2”) nearly costed the strike force precious time and fuel. If it weren’t for LT. Wilson (“Sugar 5”) they would have failed the mission completely.
What did that guy get in trouble for? because he couldn't read Morse code? Its not like he did anything outrageously stupid like the others
He didn't get in trouble, per se. He was "fired" because he wasn't able to understand the Morse code when they were trying to communicate with him. He was putting himself in unnecessary danger.
@@monkfan72 : Himself, his plane, and the rest of the fleet.
13:08 the CPT of that cruiser was obviously furious that ENS. Burns just didn’t get the Morse code and had to get his whole division of cruisers to act like a road sign.
Not too credible.