I got a kenevo comp about 5 weeks ago ...for the past 10yrs I’ve been in to DH and playing about in the local woods ......Sooooo the Kenevo was the perfect ebike to suit me ......But now I’ve found I like riding everywhere ...XC ..Enduro ..DH ...the bike does it all ... I just like riding it everywhere ...love the bike there awesome...I knew they were good but ebikes are the next level ...if you haven’t yet got one ..you really are missing out ...
I'm on my 4th e-mtb and finally found the holy grail. The Kenevo Expert is it, the one, the bike every manufacturer should aspire to. The only bike I have never fallen off chucking it down hills and the only bike I can climb on without losing balance and dabbing down on the climb. it inspires so much confidence and has improved my riding ten fold. It's amazing what not being scared does to help your progression. It does everything and does it all well.
I ride my DH E Bike everywhere. XC, DH, Urban Trails, and in town. It's the unicorn of MTN Bikes. I have two and just ordered the 2021 Specialized Kenevo. Like what the snowboard did to skiing, e bikes will do to MTB, complete game changer.
Absolutely love the MTB comparison and the country side in England, At the moment because of Covid 19 in Australia although not as bad as you guys there are lots of travel restriction for MTB riding. Its great break to watch you guys, Enjoy the show very much keep it up.
I've No interest in what the clock says about the difference between the bikes as comparing times just fuels the 'cheating' comments. It's all about the smiles per mile for me and I get more on the ebike.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of climbing performance between different e-mtbs (in different power modes) to see how much effect the bike geometry has. (e.g. DH e-mtb vs. trail e-mtb) I guess boost/turbo mode will get anything up the hill but your battery wont last long so isn't sustainable on a big day out.
i own a XC Spesh Epic 10kg with complete AXS and a Merida e160 eMTB 23kg. i love my analogue XC Bike much more because its so lightweight, more agile, pure fun. it never fails, it does not run out of battery (a spare for the AXS is about 20 gramm). Speedwise with my XC i am in strava top10 segments with 10+ or 100+ or 1000+ riders. i can not confirm that an analogue XC is slower, of course i put in some more watts. I use my eMTB only in bad weather conditions (cold, wet) or when i want to do some low intensity training. i am 59 age. overall i want to ride analogue as long as possible.
Rode with a friend who was testing one and the majority of our climb was tech single track with tight switchbacks. He really struggled with the lack of agility on the climbs but loved the down. He ended up going for an enduro style (160mm travel) as it was more suited to the trail network in the area and felt better on longer rides.
Chris, I enjoyed the video, it is an excellent idea to show bikes of different classes, advantages and dis-advantages, side by side in the same environments. I ride a 2019 Turbo Levo Comp Carbon and love it. It has gotten me back into riding after about a 5 year break. Back in the mid 2000’s I did some XC racing for about 5 years, Novice and Sport class only. If you have a chance, what I would like to see is this same comparison done on an actual XC course scale. This video was an excellent comparison of sprinting 3 types of track typically found in an XC course. But XC racing is not all about the sprint, it’s about the long haul. In the series I raced in (Intermountain Cup) the courses were between 5 and 8.5 mile loops. Novice class did 1 lap, Sport 2 laps, and, if I remember correctly Expert and Elite did 3 or 4 laps. I would wager that you would see more significant differences in times on each of these bikes and expose their full potential, both advantages and dis-advantages. It’s just an idea. Keep up the good work and excellent content! Cheers.
Whoa.... this guy can reach 25 MILES per hour on that cumbersome DH bike on a rough terrain? I can barely reach 25 KM per hour on the ROAD on my MTB.... true athlete these presenters on these bike channels!
I ride light XC bikes. The "sense of accomplishment" of pedaling up steep climbs is as much fun for me as doing the downhills. However, having said that, I have always had a little voice saying "I wouldn't mind having a downhill bike just for some fun downhill stuff." But I've always shied away because the gearing and weight on a DH bike is horrendous for the uphills on the kinds of trails I ride (definitely push-a-bike). I could actually see myself having an e-downhill-bike though. Mainly because it WILL go up the steep climbs I ride. Of course, I wouldn't get the same sense of accomplishment out of those uphills, but I could certainly do more technical downhills and the ones I already do faster. So, yeah, I could do a e-downhill-bike as an extra just for fun bike. It would never replace my favorite do-it-all XC bike, but so what? Variety is a good thing.
We did the 200 mile West Highland Way on a Haibike Nduro 180 (with 200 Fox 40's) and a Haibike Dwnhll (200 front and rear) and they were perfect for it....except for the carry along Loch Lomond ! Absolutely superb on the downhills and no disadvantage on the ups. Regular Lake District x country bikes :0)
Great stuff, we all new the ebike would win but surprised it beat the downhill bike on the last section. Could it be that Chris was more familiar with the ebike?
I've have my first bike in 20years norco range VLT been wondering abit if I should have chosen something more trail orientated as I find I often try technical climbs, watching your video give me some hope 😅 has been getting more succesdfull with practise I've so far got 170km of riding behind me haha some more practice coming along. Thanks for the videos
Chris, great idea! very enlightening !! I would very much like you to do the same route in this video with specialized’s turbo levo and turbo levo SL !! what do you think ? thank you !!
You can see Chris is so comfortable on the Ebike I love my Ebike over my Scott Genius however I really liked the music in the first section I was waiting for the Beach Boys to jump out of the Bushes 🤗
I use my naturally aspirated Mtb as a training tool for Emtbs when away from my favorite full on Mtb tracks in Derby Tasmania Australia. You might LIVE somewhere in the world but if you come to Derby and ride a Emtb hard and fast you will come ALIVE.
Rob Haskins we met you there I’ve been to Derby Twice once with wife on recon then with the boys the EMBN show needs to come to Derby our up hill on Trouty featured on the show as one of there all time Climb of the week my wife and I are talking with Buck regularly we will by a place in Derby it’s just that good
I rode the Merida eONE-SIXTY 10k last weekend. Most of the trails we have here are I'd say as a beginner coming from MX are narrow and more tecnical. We had to climb some some forest path to get to the entries. Nothing special or especially steep. Do you or some of the community think I could do this on a Husqvarna EXC10? Since I saw that machine I want to have it but there's no possibility to ride it around here for testing. The Merida is pretty light weight in the class of the eEnduro Bikes. Correct me if iam wrong. Some tell me that the Husky will be to heavy and the battery will run low very fast because the weight and the bad gearing (teeth) on the Husky. I as a ex Motocross Rider think a "heavier" bike would suit me better. In terms of stability. The Merida felt nimble and nervous some times. Also the double fork bridge and the longer suspension travel seems to give me a safer feeling coming from MX Bikes. Can someone help me please? ^_^
You need to do the segments pedaling/pushing the ebike with no power because theyre broke half the time. Then walk the whole route because theres a good chance your ebike is sent back hoping to get warrantee or fixed, emphasis on "hoping"
@@jamesuk9 wish i could say the same. I've had 3 shut downs in only 1700km. Current one has it out of action for 3 weeks and counting. Shimano diagnostic tool at the lbs turned up nothing. No idea what to do at this point
@@vert_n_dirt Unlucky man. I've had a Bosch and Yamaha previously without issue and currently on a kenevo. I'm expecting this one to be the one that probably does give me issues, based on some of the stories I see.
It would be nice if the pricing of both mtb and e-bike wasn't such a daunting commitment financially (I showed the missus my dream Canyon spectral, she said, "its f**king more than our alfa romeo"...... point very well made). I understand the "major investments they make in developing technology", but so do yamaha and suzuki, only for not much more you get an engine, ecu and real tech thrown in. It would be nice if people could get more than just the one dream bike if they wanted to, and learn things on one that they can use to get more out of another.
Asked this question in my emtb group yesterday - but question was all electric - would you consider a DH bike like the Kenevo over a XC/all mountain bike if you’re not into DH and more into trails and flow? This partially answers the question - clearly it’s capable as trail/XC bike (good to know), but would you choose it over something that’s specifically designed for XC. Would you choose the Kenovo over the Jam2 or Levo for instance?
The enduro style bike is the best all rounder, 160mm travel front and rear is more than enough for park use, 2m drops and road gasps well as full day XC style riding. I ride the Merida e160 900 and does everything my Glory did and carbon Reign Advance
Thanks for the interesting episode. Sadly this test has no real meaning for most of us, since the majority of e-bikes weights somewhere around 23kg and features a Bosch CX or Yamaha motor. A Canyon, Cube or Haibike would have been significantly more interesting. How about a test 12k Levo vs. 5k Midrange Bosch CX model?
do the same test where you're up against someone who doesn't ride an ebike and only rides leg powered bikes. You'd get a huge shock how the tables would turn.
Been there done that, ebikes are still winners unless you have a pro rider which I found was difficult to keep up with but could be done with effort for a fitter rider
So given the factor of a motor it's like comparing oranges to apples. I'm not saying it's cheating, just different. So anyone trying to show off on an ebike against a normal bike is pretty pointless since they have a motor doing most of the work.
I still don't get this dumb 25kp/h limit in Europe.. I don't feel particularly proud about chipping my bike, but 25kp/h, come on.. at least give us the american version of 27mp/h in Europe..
In most EU countries if a powered bike can go above 25km/h or have more than 250W power it is considered a moped/motorbike. The consequence is that it then requires registration (and plates), tech check-ups, driving licence, third party liability insurance and cannot be ridden in bike lanes (streets/roads only).
I'm curious to see some numbers relating to this presenters fitness and weight. in particular a 1min sprint, 20 min average, and 1 hour average power outputs. because surely a lot of people could do the climb faster than walking...
This is definitely a better comparison of these bikes when used by an average rider. To see their full potential though, they should have gotten someone like Chris Opie from GCN or something. I bet the difference would have been smaller.
Your riding on the XC bike was completely lacking in decent riding technique in the first xc climb. You have been riding ebikes too long. I noticed exactly the same thing when my girlfriend had to ride a proper bike when her unreliable Specialized Turbo Levo FSR completely crapped itself (again!). All of her old quality sit and spin climbing, carrying speed into sections, failing to keep pressure downwards on the bars on climbs and corners, failing to preselect gears. You need to do this comparo with someone that rides BOTH consistently.
It's hard to take EMBN as anything other than shills nowadays. They seem hell bent on comparing E-MTBs with non motorized MTBs and only showing the E-MTBs' merits. Give us the whole picture here. What about the demerits? How easy is it to self service the motor? What are the options when your E-MTB has been discontinued and the motor or battery dies? Doubt these shills would ever address any questions that would put E-MTBs down.
I couldn't agree more, anytime I randomly watch this channel it's the same old shit again and again, ebikes are so much better.... and on and on it goes.
"service the motor" lol it's not like a gas engine bro :) It's likely sealed anyway, and brushless so the only conceivable thing to replace might be the bearings, but by that time you'll probably be too old to ride and your grandkids will have better toys. And what are the options with anything else that's discontinued? Motor would only die if you fiddled with the speed controller to override the limits and then hit it really hard for hours running from mains power (battery is the weakest link so normal usage so this would not even be possible in normal usage). Yes, battery will eventually die for sure, but search aliexpress for e-bike packs, not exactly hard to find, or even to make yourself.
@@iforce2d Yes you're right, the motor is not a gas engine, and it's just a brushless DC motor. But no, don't expect me to believe that it'll go on forever. A fact fact about your MTB is that nothing is indestructible and everything would fail eventually. There's a lot in a motor that can and would fail; the circuit board, cadence sensor, and as you said, bearings. There's a ton of reasons for stuff to fail, from the conditions and way you ride your bike to manufacturing tolerances not being tight enough to as you said, people overriding the speed limits. But just because people choose to void their warranty isn't a reason to take the option of self or third party repair away from them. And don't get me started on how poor the manufacturing tolerances of some crap are, it's not just motors, the whole bicycle industry and then some is guilty of it. And no, motors are not sealed in such a way that they can't be taken apart again then thrown back together. Air forks and shocks are supposed to contain highly pressurized air; which in case you don't know, is a hell load harder than being waterproof; and yet they still are fully user serviceable. As for what options are there for anything that's discontinued? You'll be surprised by how old of a phone you still can get repaired, then. Where there's a demand, as long as the manufacturers don't engage in such anti self repair operations, there'll be a market to respond to it.
I cant believe that people don't get it and you still have to do videos like this. Push bikes are history, pushing isn't cycling and e-biking just opens up the trails to so many more people. It's a great video though. Thank you.
How could a DH E-bike NOT be faster than an XC bike? I'm 68 and will likely get an E-bike once I turn 70. I'm just waiting for weights/price to go down and battery time to go up. Actually, by then maybe I'll just get an electric dirt bike!
A cross country trail should be relatively flat,, since no seat dropper.. No reason to include the downhill bike,,, Should be a simple contest between a strong Cross country rider and a normal Ebike rider
For this "Test" to make any sense you needed 3 riders, one from each dedicated discipline, overall a XC rider would have rinsed the other bikes as was very nearly the result when Jonesy raced against a top BRITISH XC rider at Dalby Forest.
Cause some of us idiots like to pretend we can pedal a bit... I mean I run shimano zee fr cassette on mine (11-38) with a 38 front ring. Not great uphill but tolerable for the flat sections,
Sorry but you are missing the point. The results are accurate, if somewhat subjective, because HE rode all three. Maybe you mean have and experienced xc rider ride all three and then see the results.
What the heck why is there such thing as a downhill e bike it’s not necessary your paying more money and all it’s doing is giving you more weight there is no point of having a motor if your at a downhill park
It actually is, weight isn’t a factor for ebikes like an XC bike and most people don’t live at parks with lifts. Also e-bikes are comparable in price to regular bikes with the same components as long as you shop around and get a deal on Black Friday or something.
@@TheDennisRobb You'll never get an E-MTB with same components / materials for the same price as a regular bike. Not even when you compare apples to oranges (as you do if you compare manufacturer's suggested retail price of a regular bike to some special offer on an E-MTB). I got from the same manufacturer (cCube) two bikes an E-MTB (Stereo Hybrid 140 SL 500) and an enduro bike (Stereo 170 SL). The MSRP is the same for both. Here The difference in components (E-MTB vs enduro : E-MTB Fox 34 Rhythm vs Fox Factory , Fox Float DPS EVOL vs Fox Float X2 Factory, CUBE Dropper Post vs Fox Transfer Factory, Cube EX30 Wheels vs Newmen Evolution SL A.30. So the difference is huge if you consider the price difference between these parts.
a bike that's designed for downhill beating a dh bike no surprise there, but what was the point of testing in pedaling versus traditional bikes of course it's going to be faster. as a shuttle the e-bike is superb, up and down in no time but assisted motor versus legs is a pointless video, its just pandering to the already converted.
Thought the video was interesting to a point to see if a DH ebike could cut it doing cross country . Should have been a cross country ebike in test though!
I dont even need to watch past 3 mins to know the answer. Can a 90nm DH ebike keep up with a cross country non ebike?? I mean really???!!!. 🙄 I started watching this assuming both were ebikes. I guess that would make it too fair. Jeeez.
So you basically put restrictive gears on the DH bikes to prove to yourselves that they can't go uphill. Congrats, the lemon prize of iditoism for mountainbikers :D
I buy underpriced 2nd hand DH bikes just to turn them into DIY ebikes. So very worth it for me :D
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For people that prefer downhill and aren't interested in cycling uphill or aerobic activity, definitely yes. A few friends of mine have them for weekend rides, bus ride uphill and smash the hill two or three times a day. BTW, not my coup of tea ;-)
For most people I would say no. Even if you line close to a bike park, unless you're going like every week, it would be hard to justify it. You could easily take an all mountain/enduro bike to a DH park and not be held back. Even going to a bike park every week I would still personally hesitate to get a downhill bike.
Completely useless in my eyes. I‘d rather buy a Levo and a normal DH bike for the bikepark. I guess if you ride the Kenevo on rough DH tracks something brakes sooner or later and it‘s expensive as hell.
Would you please stop making it all about time? I NEVER time my rides because I don't care. I care how it feels. If I want to winch myself uphill and then down I'll take my ebike. If I just want to get out and away I'll take my hardtail. Can I ride my ebike on a cross country route? Of course! but it's not as much fun for me as a light hardtail. I just wish you focused on the fun/feel aspect more than the stopwatch.
why are you racing manual bikes against motorized bikes? your comparing apples with oranges, pointless as anyone with a brain would know a motorized bike would be faster as it has a motor....
The motor assistance cuts at 15mph not the speed. All it means is your pedalling a heavy inefficient bike after this speed. Just need to work harder to hit 30mph.
I mean they do call em push bikes but i climb my commencal dh with ease and go past some xc riders so i think it might just the depend od the rider. I mean chris has touched a non e bike in a while 😅 jk
The speed limits on ebikes is a joke. Comparisons like this just shows how pointless they are. Just about anyone can pedal faster than 15mph. If they need to have a limt it should be 25mph, or not have a limit but have speed limits on roads/paths for all riders.
This Video actually demonstrates that the assist limit is too high and needs reduced... certainly zero case to increase it as is shown here as even DH style Ebike is still faster than an XC bike.. hence no possible case the limit needs increased.
Chris on a state of the art XC race machine -- 3:00. Chris walking with 40lbs of dead weight -- 3:15. So, my question: how much did Specialized pay you? Next time get an athletic XC racer to do a proper race instead of a chubby-ish middle aged man with a double chin walking bikes uphill!!! Granted, the E bike will probably still win, but at least it will be an actual race.
I feel like the issue on the xc bike was that he wasn’t weighting it properly on the climb, they tend to lift the front wheel so you need to find a balance between the two, that and maybe a higher gear and some “oomph”.
I'm going to start a petition to ban analogue bikes from trails. They are too slow and are a danger to ebike riders and they just get in the way. I liken this to allowing a horse and cart on the M6..
@@dylanperschon8479 your right if you go at a slow pace. when im on small group ebike rides we push eachother on climbs. just as hard but with a much faster pace vs my trail bikes
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I got a kenevo comp about 5 weeks ago ...for the past 10yrs I’ve been in to DH and playing about in the local woods ......Sooooo the Kenevo was the perfect ebike to suit me ......But now I’ve found I like riding everywhere ...XC ..Enduro ..DH ...the bike does it all ... I just like riding it everywhere ...love the bike there awesome...I knew they were good but ebikes are the next level ...if you haven’t yet got one ..you really are missing out ...
I'm on my 4th e-mtb and finally found the holy grail. The Kenevo Expert is it, the one, the bike every manufacturer should aspire to. The only bike I have never fallen off chucking it down hills and the only bike I can climb on without losing balance and dabbing down on the climb. it inspires so much confidence and has improved my riding ten fold. It's amazing what not being scared does to help your progression. It does everything and does it all well.
Could you please tell us what were your 3 other eMTBs and share your experiences? Thanks in advance!
Good luck with that motor, lol
@@Adventures_with_Sog 4 year warranty, not an issue. Will have moved on by the time thats run out.
As an owner of a DH bike in an area with no uplifts, I really need one of these
Best decision i ever made! Get one bought!
As someone who doesn't like ebikes for the most part, this is an ideal use case in my eyes.
I got the kenevo its a beast.
Or buy a pick up and do shuttles! Injured person is driver!
@@octodadmtbmartyrichards2862 not really an option given the fact that me and all my mates are to young to drive!
I ride my DH E Bike everywhere. XC, DH, Urban Trails, and in town. It's the unicorn of MTN Bikes. I have two and just ordered the 2021 Specialized Kenevo. Like what the snowboard did to skiing, e bikes will do to MTB, complete game changer.
Absolutely love the MTB comparison and the country side in England, At the moment because of Covid 19 in Australia although not as bad as you guys there are lots of travel restriction for MTB riding. Its great break to watch you guys, Enjoy the show very much keep it up.
I've No interest in what the clock says about the difference between the bikes as comparing times just fuels the 'cheating' comments. It's all about the smiles per mile for me and I get more on the ebike.
Totally agree! But DH bikes can take more of a beating which is confidence inspiring when it's really gnarly.
XC bike gives you more years per life.
I own a Kenevo so I'm biased, but no surprise that it crushed. Yes, I do cross-country and it's a plush monster trucking ride. :)
It would be interesting to see a comparison of climbing performance between different e-mtbs (in different power modes) to see how much effect the bike geometry has. (e.g. DH e-mtb vs. trail e-mtb) I guess boost/turbo mode will get anything up the hill but your battery wont last long so isn't sustainable on a big day out.
i own a XC Spesh Epic 10kg with complete AXS and a Merida e160 eMTB 23kg. i love my analogue XC Bike much more because its so lightweight, more agile, pure fun. it never fails, it does not run out of battery (a spare for the AXS is about 20 gramm). Speedwise with my XC i am in strava top10 segments with 10+ or 100+ or 1000+ riders. i can not confirm that an analogue XC is slower, of course i put in some more watts. I use my eMTB only in bad weather conditions (cold, wet) or when i want to do some low intensity training. i am 59 age. overall i want to ride analogue as long as possible.
Bought 2 (his&hers) levo ht 29ers and we do exactly this type of cross country trails...loving it! Our 1st mtb ever.
Rode with a friend who was testing one and the majority of our climb was tech single track with tight switchbacks. He really struggled with the lack of agility on the climbs but loved the down. He ended up going for an enduro style (160mm travel) as it was more suited to the trail network in the area and felt better on longer rides.
Nice!
Chris excellent video/ review...Greatly appreciated ..Cheers from Canada East Coast !!
Got inspired by your videos and sold my jet ski and bought an Orbea Wild Fs. So far I love it!
Nice!
Chris,
I enjoyed the video, it is an excellent idea to show bikes of different classes, advantages and dis-advantages, side by side in the same environments. I ride a 2019 Turbo Levo Comp Carbon and love it. It has gotten me back into riding after about a 5 year break.
Back in the mid 2000’s I did some XC racing for about 5 years, Novice and Sport class only. If you have a chance, what I would like to see is this same comparison done on an actual XC course scale. This video was an excellent comparison of sprinting 3 types of track typically found in an XC course. But XC racing is not all about the sprint, it’s about the long haul. In the series I raced in (Intermountain Cup) the courses were between 5 and 8.5 mile loops. Novice class did 1 lap, Sport 2 laps, and, if I remember correctly Expert and Elite did 3 or 4 laps.
I would wager that you would see more significant differences in times on each of these bikes and expose their full potential, both advantages and dis-advantages. It’s just an idea.
Keep up the good work and excellent content! Cheers.
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Also most times hardtails are used for XC
@@KandiKlover Used to be. Not so much anymore.
What's become apparent to me is that you can now take that 180mm big hitter with coil shock to the trails without having to push it back up!
Whoa.... this guy can reach 25 MILES per hour on that cumbersome DH bike on a rough terrain? I can barely reach 25 KM per hour on the ROAD on my MTB.... true athlete these presenters on these bike channels!
Had e bikes for over 8 years will never go back to a push bike
@Brendan Tovey started with a basic kit
I ride light XC bikes. The "sense of accomplishment" of pedaling up steep climbs is as much fun for me as doing the downhills. However, having said that, I have always had a little voice saying "I wouldn't mind having a downhill bike just for some fun downhill stuff." But I've always shied away because the gearing and weight on a DH bike is horrendous for the uphills on the kinds of trails I ride (definitely push-a-bike). I could actually see myself having an e-downhill-bike though. Mainly because it WILL go up the steep climbs I ride. Of course, I wouldn't get the same sense of accomplishment out of those uphills, but I could certainly do more technical downhills and the ones I already do faster. So, yeah, I could do a e-downhill-bike as an extra just for fun bike. It would never replace my favorite do-it-all XC bike, but so what? Variety is a good thing.
Did you ever get one? theres so many great options now like the orbea rise/wild and new Fazua 60 motor light weight ebikes coming out
We did the 200 mile West Highland Way on a Haibike Nduro 180 (with 200 Fox 40's) and a Haibike Dwnhll (200 front and rear) and they were perfect for it....except for the carry along Loch Lomond ! Absolutely superb on the downhills and no disadvantage on the ups. Regular Lake District x country bikes :0)
No we didn't, it was 100 miles.....the Coast to Coast was 200. The carry by Loch Lomond felt like 200.
Great stuff, we all new the ebike would win but surprised it beat the downhill bike on the last section. Could it be that Chris was more familiar with the ebike?
John Darch likely the extra weight can occasionally help on the downhill. I don’t like my dh bikes to get too light for that reason.
he was definitely far more familiar with it and was as a result more comfortable. unfortunately for the entire testing this voids the results.
I've have my first bike in 20years norco range VLT been wondering abit if I should have chosen something more trail orientated as I find I often try technical climbs, watching your video give me some hope 😅 has been getting more succesdfull with practise I've so far got 170km of riding behind me haha some more practice coming along. Thanks for the videos
i hate dismounting from my bike especially during climbs thats why i went on an ebike :)
Chris, great idea! very enlightening !! I would very much like you to do the same route in this video with specialized’s turbo levo and turbo levo SL !! what do you think ? thank you !!
on the dh section you started the garmin with a rolling start when you were on the dh bike, the Xc and E were virtually standing starts !
Where was this filmed? Beautiful trails, love to test my fitness up that hill!
That is a question that I never thought could be asked
You can see Chris is so comfortable on the Ebike I love my Ebike over my Scott Genius however I really liked the music in the first section I was waiting for the Beach Boys to jump out of the Bushes 🤗
SUGGESTION: Please cover how many of us like full-suspension MTBs for rough city streets and commuting.
Ikr? My Tucson city streets are worse than dirt!
this is satire right?
You should have included a timed section of getting the bikes on and off your bike rack.......!!!!!
My emtb is 16kg on the rack, I always connect the battery once off the rack, so probably days difference there eh?
I use my naturally aspirated Mtb as a training tool for Emtbs when away from my favorite full on Mtb tracks in Derby Tasmania Australia. You might LIVE somewhere in the world but if you come to Derby and ride a Emtb hard and fast you will come ALIVE.
Rob Haskins we met you there I’ve been to Derby Twice once with wife on recon then with the boys the EMBN show needs to come to Derby our up hill on Trouty featured on the show as one of there all time Climb of the week my wife and I are talking with Buck regularly we will by a place in Derby it’s just that good
I rode the Merida eONE-SIXTY 10k last weekend. Most of the trails we have here are I'd say as a beginner coming from MX are narrow and more tecnical. We had to climb some some forest path to get to the entries. Nothing special or especially steep. Do you or some of the community think I could do this on a Husqvarna EXC10? Since I saw that machine I want to have it but there's no possibility to ride it around here for testing. The Merida is pretty light weight in the class of the eEnduro Bikes. Correct me if iam wrong. Some tell me that the Husky will be to heavy and the battery will run low very fast because the weight and the bad gearing (teeth) on the Husky. I as a ex Motocross Rider think a "heavier" bike would suit me better. In terms of stability. The Merida felt nimble and nervous some times. Also the double fork bridge and the longer suspension travel seems to give me a safer feeling coming from MX Bikes. Can someone help me please? ^_^
A DH e-bike is the only e-bike that makes sense to me. If I’m gonna fake pedal, might as well have the most capable bike there is.
It really surprised me how close the dh bike and xc bike are to each other give how completely different they are
Only because the routes were short
I think too many people get DH bikes when they would be much better off with a mid travel bike in the 150mm range.
I have 2 dh bikes and a 160f/152r am/trail bike and I far prefer the dh bikes even if I have to hike up.
You need to do the segments pedaling/pushing the ebike with no power because theyre broke half the time. Then walk the whole route because theres a good chance your ebike is sent back hoping to get warrantee or fixed, emphasis on "hoping"
strange that, I've had 4 e-mtb over 3 years and never broken down once. 12k miles annually too and not road miles.
@@jamesuk9 wish i could say the same. I've had 3 shut downs in only 1700km. Current one has it out of action for 3 weeks and counting. Shimano diagnostic tool at the lbs turned up nothing. No idea what to do at this point
@@vert_n_dirt Unlucky man. I've had a Bosch and Yamaha previously without issue and currently on a kenevo. I'm expecting this one to be the one that probably does give me issues, based on some of the stories I see.
@@jamesuk9 bosch is probably the way to go. Motor support and parts seem to be lacking in canada
I've been riding a bafang ultra max for 1000km. No issues at all.
It would be nice if the pricing of both mtb and e-bike wasn't such a daunting commitment financially (I showed the missus my dream Canyon spectral, she said, "its f**king more than our alfa romeo"...... point very well made).
I understand the "major investments they make in developing technology", but so do yamaha and suzuki, only for not much more you get an engine, ecu and real tech thrown in.
It would be nice if people could get more than just the one dream bike if they wanted to, and learn things on one that they can use to get more out of another.
Asked this question in my emtb group yesterday - but question was all electric - would you consider a DH bike like the Kenevo over a XC/all mountain bike if you’re not into DH and more into trails and flow? This partially answers the question - clearly it’s capable as trail/XC bike (good to know), but would you choose it over something that’s specifically designed for XC. Would you choose the Kenovo over the Jam2 or Levo for instance?
The enduro style bike is the best all rounder, 160mm travel front and rear is more than enough for park use, 2m drops and road gasps well as full day XC style riding. I ride the Merida e160 900 and does everything my Glory did and carbon Reign Advance
Thanks for the interesting episode. Sadly this test has no real meaning for most of us, since the majority of e-bikes weights somewhere around 23kg and features a Bosch CX or Yamaha motor. A Canyon, Cube or Haibike would have been significantly more interesting. How about a test 12k Levo vs. 5k Midrange Bosch CX model?
Better than a chairlift you don’t have to wait in line 😂😂😂
do the same test where you're up against someone who doesn't ride an ebike and only rides leg powered bikes. You'd get a huge shock how the tables would turn.
Been there done that, ebikes are still winners unless you have a pro rider which I found was difficult to keep up with but could be done with effort for a fitter rider
So given the factor of a motor it's like comparing oranges to apples. I'm not saying it's cheating, just different. So anyone trying to show off on an ebike against a normal bike is pretty pointless since they have a motor doing most of the work.
AFM I agree, it’s a completely different thing.
I still don't get this dumb 25kp/h limit in Europe.. I don't feel particularly proud about chipping my bike, but 25kp/h, come on.. at least give us the american version of 27mp/h in Europe..
Americans get 20 mph not 27
In most EU countries if a powered bike can go above 25km/h or have more than 250W power it is considered a moped/motorbike. The consequence is that it then requires registration (and plates), tech check-ups, driving licence, third party liability insurance and cannot be ridden in bike lanes (streets/roads only).
I'm curious to see some numbers relating to this presenters fitness and weight. in particular a 1min sprint, 20 min average, and 1 hour average power outputs. because surely a lot of people could do the climb faster than walking...
This is definitely a better comparison of these bikes when used by an average rider. To see their full potential though, they should have gotten someone like Chris Opie from GCN or something. I bet the difference would have been smaller.
Comparing Apples to Oranges!!! E bikes will dominate traditional bikes hands down!!!
Turbo Levo does it all
Haibike DWNHLL Pro with SRAM EX1 gearing, doesn't get much better ;)
My only gripe with it is that they stopped selling it in the UK
Great video I just installed a speed box on my friends Haibike to bypass the limiter. E bikes rule! Keep up the good work!
Your riding on the XC bike was completely lacking in decent riding technique in the first xc climb. You have been riding ebikes too long. I noticed exactly the same thing when my girlfriend had to ride a proper bike when her unreliable Specialized Turbo Levo FSR completely crapped itself (again!). All of her old quality sit and spin climbing, carrying speed into sections, failing to keep pressure downwards on the bars on climbs and corners, failing to preselect gears. You need to do this comparo with someone that rides BOTH consistently.
The slow mo at 16:00 belongs in a GMBN video "how not to pick a line"
The question has now become... why would you buy a push bike anymore? (this question excludes people of the Netherlands)
because money???
It's hard to take EMBN as anything other than shills nowadays. They seem hell bent on comparing E-MTBs with non motorized MTBs and only showing the E-MTBs' merits. Give us the whole picture here. What about the demerits? How easy is it to self service the motor? What are the options when your E-MTB has been discontinued and the motor or battery dies? Doubt these shills would ever address any questions that would put E-MTBs down.
I couldn't agree more, anytime I randomly watch this channel it's the same old shit again and again, ebikes are so much better.... and on and on it goes.
"service the motor" lol it's not like a gas engine bro :) It's likely sealed anyway, and brushless so the only conceivable thing to replace might be the bearings, but by that time you'll probably be too old to ride and your grandkids will have better toys. And what are the options with anything else that's discontinued?
Motor would only die if you fiddled with the speed controller to override the limits and then hit it really hard for hours running from mains power (battery is the weakest link so normal usage so this would not even be possible in normal usage). Yes, battery will eventually die for sure, but search aliexpress for e-bike packs, not exactly hard to find, or even to make yourself.
@@iforce2d Yes you're right, the motor is not a gas engine, and it's just a brushless DC motor. But no, don't expect me to believe that it'll go on forever. A fact fact about your MTB is that nothing is indestructible and everything would fail eventually. There's a lot in a motor that can and would fail; the circuit board, cadence sensor, and as you said, bearings. There's a ton of reasons for stuff to fail, from the conditions and way you ride your bike to manufacturing tolerances not being tight enough to as you said, people overriding the speed limits. But just because people choose to void their warranty isn't a reason to take the option of self or third party repair away from them. And don't get me started on how poor the manufacturing tolerances of some crap are, it's not just motors, the whole bicycle industry and then some is guilty of it.
And no, motors are not sealed in such a way that they can't be taken apart again then thrown back together. Air forks and shocks are supposed to contain highly pressurized air; which in case you don't know, is a hell load harder than being waterproof; and yet they still are fully user serviceable.
As for what options are there for anything that's discontinued? You'll be surprised by how old of a phone you still can get repaired, then. Where there's a demand, as long as the manufacturers don't engage in such anti self repair operations, there'll be a market to respond to it.
I cant believe that people don't get it and you still have to do videos like this. Push bikes are history, pushing isn't cycling and e-biking just opens up the trails to so many more people. It's a great video though. Thank you.
Haha, with that thinking hardtails would not exist anymore.
How could a DH E-bike NOT be faster than an XC bike?
I'm 68 and will likely get an E-bike once I turn 70. I'm just waiting for weights/price to go down and battery time to go up.
Actually, by then maybe I'll just get an electric dirt bike!
A cross country trail should be relatively flat,, since no seat dropper.. No reason to include the downhill bike,,, Should be a simple contest between a strong Cross country rider and a normal Ebike rider
For this "Test" to make any sense you needed 3 riders, one from each dedicated discipline, overall a XC rider would have rinsed the other bikes as was very nearly the result when Jonesy raced against a top BRITISH XC rider at Dalby Forest.
that would be a different test. You should film that one!
Really can't handle all these ads on this channel, in fact all channels are plagued by ads now
Sorry Alpine160 but we need the ads! They help us keep making content for you most days of the week and allow us to keep that content free to view!
@@embn ah I know, honestly do m8, we appreciate the amazing content, they just do ya head in, ha ha, not complaing just had a rant ha ha
im on a focus sam 2 best ride ever
I still don’t understand why manual DH bikes aren’t all single speeds.
Cause some of us idiots like to pretend we can pedal a bit... I mean I run shimano zee fr cassette on mine (11-38) with a 38 front ring. Not great uphill but tolerable for the flat sections,
Next time on embn: what is faster on a quarter mile? An e bike or a pogo stick...c'mon
Kenevo is sold out till 2021 :(
King Kenevo!
Perhaps if you rode your ebike against an xc rider you would get more accurate results
Sorry but you are missing the point. The results are accurate, if somewhat subjective, because HE rode all three. Maybe you mean have and experienced xc rider ride all three and then see the results.
Love these vids and channel but all very expensive for average jo
What the heck why is there such thing as a downhill e bike it’s not necessary your paying more money and all it’s doing is giving you more weight there is no point of having a motor if your at a downhill park
It actually is, weight isn’t a factor for ebikes like an XC bike and most people don’t live at parks with lifts. Also e-bikes are comparable in price to regular bikes with the same components as long as you shop around and get a deal on Black Friday or something.
@@TheDennisRobb You'll never get an E-MTB with same components / materials for the same price as a regular bike. Not even when you compare apples to oranges (as you do if you compare manufacturer's suggested retail price of a regular bike to some special offer on an E-MTB). I got from the same manufacturer (cCube) two bikes an E-MTB (Stereo Hybrid 140 SL 500) and an enduro bike (Stereo 170 SL). The MSRP is the same for both. Here The difference in components (E-MTB vs enduro : E-MTB Fox 34 Rhythm vs Fox Factory , Fox Float DPS EVOL vs Fox Float X2 Factory, CUBE Dropper Post vs Fox Transfer Factory, Cube EX30 Wheels vs Newmen Evolution SL A.30. So the difference is huge if you consider the price difference between these parts.
Kenevo is king and sold out all over the world
If you hold the first button on the ebike it pedals for you for the steep steep climbes found that on mine todah 😂
a bike that's designed for downhill beating a dh bike no surprise there, but what was the point of testing in pedaling versus traditional bikes of course it's going to be faster. as a shuttle the e-bike is superb, up and down in no time but assisted motor versus legs is a pointless video, its just pandering to the already converted.
totally agree, whats the point, its obvious that a motorized bike is going to be faster than a mandrolic bike
Content? And people like myself wanted to see it I guess.
Thought the video was interesting to a point to see if a DH ebike could cut it doing cross country . Should have been a cross country ebike in test though!
Ok so it turns out that when you don’t have to pedal the bike you go faster
Look out for the next video where we find out if the grass is green and the sky is blue.
Lmao, that's why i ride levo too dam fun😝😝😝😝😝😝😝
I dont even need to watch past 3 mins to know the answer. Can a 90nm DH ebike keep up with a cross country non ebike?? I mean really???!!!. 🙄 I started watching this assuming both were ebikes. I guess that would make it too fair. Jeeez.
Where are the downhill fat bikes?
So you basically put restrictive gears on the DH bikes to prove to yourselves that they can't go uphill. Congrats, the lemon prize of iditoism for mountainbikers :D
To be honest is a downhill bike even worth the money?
Depends on what you want to use it for.
I buy underpriced 2nd hand DH bikes just to turn them into DIY ebikes. So very worth it for me :D
For people that prefer downhill and aren't interested in cycling uphill or aerobic activity, definitely yes. A few friends of mine have them for weekend rides, bus ride uphill and smash the hill two or three times a day. BTW, not my coup of tea ;-)
Its worth the money if you have ski flit to the top.
For most people I would say no. Even if you line close to a bike park, unless you're going like every week, it would be hard to justify it. You could easily take an all mountain/enduro bike to a DH park and not be held back. Even going to a bike park every week I would still personally hesitate to get a downhill bike.
So a motorcycle is quicker than a bicycle, who'd have thought it 🤔
Completely useless in my eyes.
I‘d rather buy a Levo and a normal DH bike for the bikepark. I guess if you ride the Kenevo on rough DH tracks something brakes sooner or later and it‘s expensive as hell.
The downhills section what terrible u took 3 different line so it wasn't even far tbh
Would you please stop making it all about time? I NEVER time my rides because I don't care. I care how it feels. If I want to winch myself uphill and then down I'll take my ebike. If I just want to get out and away I'll take my hardtail. Can I ride my ebike on a cross country route? Of course! but it's not as much fun for me as a light hardtail. I just wish you focused on the fun/feel aspect more than the stopwatch.
why are you racing manual bikes against motorized bikes? your comparing apples with oranges, pointless as anyone with a brain would know a motorized bike would be faster as it has a motor....
This channel is obsessed with telling us how much better ebikes are over mtb, surely there are other topics to focus on.
30mph ok with xc bike but speed cuts at 15mph on ebike lol
The motor assistance cuts at 15mph not the speed. All it means is your pedalling a heavy inefficient bike after this speed. Just need to work harder to hit 30mph.
Not my downhill e mtnb my speed cuts off at 45mph and I am running a 1000watt mid drive
Donald Bartholomew what bike does that? 😊
Buy a speedchip and your e bike goes 50 mph ... simple
@@TheWatcherofallgoodthings The A Tracker with the bafang ultra motor made by Volton bikes.
I mean they do call em push bikes but i climb my commencal dh with ease and go past some xc riders so i think it might just the depend od the rider. I mean chris has touched a non e bike in a while 😅 jk
Also forgot to say that all trails in my area are just normal fire road or gravel roads so that might be also the biggest difference
The speed limits on ebikes is a joke. Comparisons like this just shows how pointless they are. Just about anyone can pedal faster than 15mph. If they need to have a limt it should be 25mph, or not have a limit but have speed limits on roads/paths for all riders.
This Video actually demonstrates that the assist limit is too high and needs reduced... certainly zero case to increase it as is shown here as even DH style Ebike is still faster than an XC bike.. hence no possible case the limit needs increased.
@@RocketMagnetUK How exactly does this video demonstrate the limit is too high? Too high for what?
Chris on a state of the art XC race machine -- 3:00.
Chris walking with 40lbs of dead weight -- 3:15.
So, my question: how much did Specialized pay you?
Next time get an athletic XC racer to do a proper race instead of a chubby-ish middle aged man with a double chin walking bikes uphill!!! Granted, the E bike will probably still win, but at least it will be an actual race.
I feel like the issue on the xc bike was that he wasn’t weighting it properly on the climb, they tend to lift the front wheel so you need to find a balance between the two, that and maybe a higher gear and some “oomph”.
Delimited Gen1 2018 Levo would be much quicker again! 25mph average.
Climbing in flats on an XC bike ..... sigh - atleast wear clipless if you are going to ride an XC bike?
97% of energy comes from down strokes. Clipless do not matter.
@@Warrantti Proof?
I'm going to start a petition to ban analogue bikes from trails. They are too slow and are a danger to ebike riders and they just get in the way. I liken this to allowing a horse and cart on the M6..
And did this man forget how to climb a real bike since he’s lazy and uses an e bike
Brendan Tovey i didn’t say it’s about being lazy I said it’s the lazy way out to climbing and stuff
@@dylanperschon8479 your right if you go at a slow pace. when im on small group ebike rides we push eachother on climbs. just as hard but with a much faster pace vs my trail bikes