NEVERMIND MIX ANALYSIS | 1991 (Andy Wallace) VS 2011 (Butch Vig)
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- Опубликовано: 10 янв 2024
- This this video we take a listen to both the Andy Wallace and Butch Vig mixes of Nirvana's Nevermind.
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Which one is better? Leave a comment and the reason why!
It's all about that intro, Wallace mix is genius removing wideness from the guitar to make dynamics from the drums stand out
Couldn't agree more!
Andy Wallace mixes feel raw, I would say almost unmixed, but at the same time powerful and clear. Absolute genius
Agreed. Andy's is the best of all worlds.
First mix i ever heard by Andy was The Front which I still play to this day. Been a fan ever since.
AW mix just grabs you and takes you places.
It's the mix I heard in 1992 after buying the vinyl and for me it's the only I can listen too.
So true! AW version rocks!
Andy's mix is way brighter and polished. I love Butch, but Andy can't be beated in this record
Agreed. Andy's is just an incredible mix!
Butch is more the Recording Engineer and Wallace the Mixing Egineer.......both did a great job on this Record
Yes, both did an incredible job! Sounds fantastic.
Andy Wallace said in a recent interview there’s no trigger on the drums. Is just Dave Grohl. 🤘🏼
Really? Can you link the interview? I've heard conflicting info for a while!
Andy didn't use a trig to replace the snare, he used a sample into a reverb to add a controlled ambient (in addiction to the sound city room)
@@MakeTheMusic ruclips.net/video/bX6LcB-WObw/видео.html whole interview's gold but here's the bit. I enjoyed your analysis!
About 12 minutes 24 seconds in that interview is where the question comes up regarding Dave. 👍
He's also never been shy about his use of triggered samples so I believe it.
Andy always, every mix, every album, the best ever!
Absolutely!
I'm against making something lower quality for some abstract concept of 'cred.' I always prefered Nevermind's production over In Utero, even though I'll admit In Utero is the superior record.
Agreed! The "In Utero" production is pretty solid as well.
@@MakeTheMusicYou’ve gotta admit though, hearing 'In Utero’ but mirroring the production and mix quality, the polish of Nevermind would be an amazing listening experience.
The bass not being muddied out is what makes Andy a clear winner for me, Krist is the glue for Nirvana especially in songs like On A Plain and Lounge Act
Krist's bass sound is super important.
thanks for this!
You bet!
Really cool analysis! Wallace's mix is definitely the stronger of the two in my opinion. Much better separation in terms of the instruments and nothing seems to be fighting for space, whereas Vig's mix feels very crowded and thick despite the wide separation on the guitar tracks. I do feel that Wallace's mix in "CAYA" loses some nuance; the ghost notes on Dave's snare during the verses are barely audible in the Wallace mix but you very clearly hear them in the Vig mix. That said, in Vig's "SLTS" mix, the kick drum gets buried amidst the din, and the extremely gated snare is the antithesis of nuance. When I listen to Vig's Devonshire mix, I enjoy it but feel fatigued afterwards; Wallace's mix is definitely the one to ingest if you don't want to feel like taking an antacid and a nap afterward.
Thanks! Andy's mix just translates so well it's tough to deny!
butch vig version sounds like in utero
I could definitely see that...
You definitely said smells like TEAM spirit! 😂 0:26
HELLO HELLO!
I like the Butch Vig mix more. It feels more like Killing Joke almost, something more old school, darker, his voice is more present, the energy is just harder. Butch Vig wins IMO. I think some, not all, but some of peoples opinion on this has to do with just plain nostalgia and the fact that so much music evolved around this one record…
Butch's certainly has a vibe...
Butch Vigs mix is absolutely 100% better, it sounds more like a live band, im pretty sure Kurt wanted Butch Vigs mix anyway,
Butch's does have that live feel!
Apparently there is a Teen Spirit Butch Vig mix and another one called 'The Devonshire mix' . Are both the same? Because when I hear both versions, there are still some differences between them.
The Butch and Devonshire mix are essentially the same.
Andy is the GOAT
Agreed!
Butch Vig´s mix sounds more modern. I like AW version
Agreed! Andy's rocks!
Its basically the same! Its not like they made "endless nameless" sound like "polly"! Also the first time you said it, you said "smells like TEAM spirit"! 🤣 Im gonna use that as a title for a song!
But some of those difference could also come from the mastering afterwards, unless you tell me both versions went through the exact same mastering gear and settings
We can hear mix differences in the sound of tracks without knowing the mastering process.
@@MakeTheMusic When you made the scooped EQ curves, that could of easily came from the mastering
Possibly. This is the best I had to work with for a mix comparison.
Andy’s version
Agreed!
smells like team spirit lol
lol
Kurdt was full of shit lol. FOR ME the Wallace mix is far superior. To be clear, I think Butch is one of the very best at RECORDING rock music. He's simply awesome at what he does. But the final product that Wallace handed in was the best production I had ever heard at the time. I was a 19yr old musician & Nevermind not only blew my damn mind, but it also forever changed the way that I looked at making music. Nirvana came along and slapped the bleach right out of my teased-up hair!!! 😝
Butch produced an amazing record; Andy finished the job with the mix. Together it's the perfect combo.
This is pointless UNLESS you are comparing the UNMASTERED Versions. Love Sound Designer / Pro Tools, nonetheless.
Certainly not pointless
I agree that Butch Vig 's drums don't sound as good. Which is very annoying as I thought, with him being a drummer, that his would have been better. That drum fill you pointed out for having a lack of dynamics sounded like stuff I've done with MY Power Drum Kit in the past. LOL.
Yeah, the drums aren't great, but Butch did a great job tracking and producing the record. Solid points!
Jesus let it play for more than 2 seconds so we can get a feel good the differences. That's so frustrating couldn't finish the video.
That's a good way to get my video taken down due to copyright.
@@MakeTheMusic Fair enough.
Butch's is pretty good, but Andy's better.
Andy Wallace is on another level...
it's not a sample! lol
Gotcha!
Did you just say “smells like *team spirit?” Kids these days… smdh.
I prefer the AW mix, more contrast (mono/dry intro -> stereo fatter chorus), the sounds are both cool but andy has more range to give more emotions to the listeners
Totally agree. Andy is the GOAT for a reason.
Whats up with that insane twang on the guitars in the intro of the vig version. Just artificial.
You'd have to ask Butch haha