I have high hopes for the future of psychoanalysis. Why? Because the greatest critique of psychoanalysis is psychoanalysis itself. Thank you for the upload!
@@kirstinstrand6292 I think it's divided between those who are there to write prescriptions for clients with whom they discuss nothing and those who are in the field with compassion to listen to people with painful emotional issues AND to provide Rx is necessary. A shout out to Dr. J.R. of Virginia, the epitome of compassion with psychoanalytic expertise.
Extremely valuable thank you. Particularly the segment about psychologists getting caught up in neuroscience. So fashionable these days with the Bessel Van der Kolk phenomenon. And in my experience therapists crave the authority and status of the scientist, whilst clients crave the innocence of being a victim of a disease.
I think that Daniel Burston's discussion of those deleted tweets was disingenuous. If the discussion was much more focused on the actual clinical work, which would show the actual implications of CSJT for psychoanalytic practice then I think, that the discussion would have been a lot more productive. Sadly to me Lara Sheeha's actual position, method and practice was presented so vaguely, that I don't really have the impression to understand how she differs from traditional psychoanalysis or how she incorporates CSJT with analysis. It would be interesting to see her or her colleagues accused of moralism in a discussion with the people of the panel. Might be an idea for a video 😉
Solms has spent 20 years translating Freud's writings from German. There will be 4 volumes; I believe the first has been published. Solms is a psychoanalyst and a neuroscientist. His work is amazing on multiple levels.
Very good and thought-provoking discussion, but Dan's presentation seemed to be more about attacking Lara Sheeha and her work than addressing the question at hand, which in my view is an abuse of such great space.
Cheer~~a system of psychological theory and therapy that aims to treat mental conditions by investigating the interaction of conscious and unconscious elements in the mind and bringing repressed fears and conflicts into the conscious mind by techniques such as dream interpretation and free association.😊
Thank you for posting this symposium. As usual you did a masterful work in summarizing and explaining both your personal positions and the general thrust of psychoanalitic research across decades. If you were my student you would get an A+ with honors.
Although I agree with the firsts speakers conclusion that activism has to be kept seperate from psychoanalysis. His appeal to emotions reasoning doesn't really constitute a good to why it is the case.
Those under the spell of an ideology have usually substituted it for an absent developmentally more-mature personally principled perspective. There's much to learn from their unawareness of their own ego weakness, and one does endeavor (mostly in vain) to remove or minimize what impediments he can for them, but I do doubt the potential of an incapacity for intersubjectivity to meaningfully participate for any benefit but their own. The feminism cited was almost certainly a personal individually benign and benefic interpretation of objective principle--which fortunately somehow exists even at all given the irrationalities original to feminism as ideology. In order to get popular support for itself feminism conflated workplace equality with gender equality (and in so-doing negated the value of motherhood entirely to avoid presenting an obvious false equivalency to the very women it was misusing by deception). So in the United States now because of so-called feminism women aren't guaranteed paid maternity leave. We are in the third consecutive generation of resented and valueless feminist mothering only to the great misfortune of Western Civilization IMO. I'm not a psychoanalyst but I do have too much respect for the tradition to not bring up a reminder of the difference between principle and ideology that seems like it could be useful to the referenced challenging state of affairs. Tolerance is highly commendable... up to only the point at which it would be used against you. It is possible to squander oneself setting an example lost on those who will mistake it for stupidity. Nothing you guys don't know, so just remember this Dr Shiha(sp?) Isn't exempt from projecting her own deficiencies just because she intellectually knows better. Frankly if she's even trying to mask I don't see it, so please don't exhaust your talents entertaining someone who will damage a profession the world needs preserved. I don't know that a dirty PR battle can be won with rationality, though if so this group will do it. FWIW I still personally think the us versus them nature of the conflict is antithetical to psychoanalytic principles (as I perhaps misunderstand them) and beneath the dignity of the tradition. Best regards
Flowery Polemic, but a polemic nonetheless. It is sad to see psychoanalysis descend into the Trump era "culture wars" with such an enduring lack of self awareness. Such a one eyed and tilted presentation from Daniel Burston which fails to acknowledge or address the reality of White Privilege as a shared cultural experience or his refusal to acknowledge the illegal violence and land grabs of the Israeli state which Hamas responds to. Sad to see such closed thinking and arguments enduring within the institution of psychoanalysis.
I'm not sure that psychoanalysis and geopolitics should go hand in hand. Although, who can deny that life has not grown far more complex and difficult in the 21st century. How can psychoanalysis incorporate new struggling areas into a "whole" individual identity.
Dr. Carveth, thank you for being so fair on all of yoir points. We need more fair people like you in the field
So glad to see that Don is still doing talks, books and videos. Take care Professor, thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Thank you
Dr Carveth, thank you so much for your valuable discussion. Please continue to produce more videos.
Most welcome
Dear Dr. Carveth, Thank you for sharing this invaluable discussion.
Just another MAGA talk
I have high hopes for the future of psychoanalysis. Why? Because the greatest critique of psychoanalysis is psychoanalysis itself.
Thank you for the upload!
It appears to me that psychoanalysis is very much divided between the 20th century analysts and those who want to update to the 21st century.
@@kirstinstrand6292 I think it's divided between those who are there to write prescriptions for clients with whom they discuss nothing and those who are in the field with compassion to listen to people with painful emotional issues AND to provide Rx is necessary. A shout out to Dr. J.R. of Virginia, the epitome of compassion with psychoanalytic expertise.
Great stuff. Thank you
Extremely valuable thank you. Particularly the segment about psychologists getting caught up in neuroscience. So fashionable these days with the Bessel Van der Kolk phenomenon. And in my experience therapists crave the authority and status of the scientist, whilst clients crave the innocence of being a victim of a disease.
Yes, very well put
See Dr. Mark Solms for evidence.
I think that Daniel Burston's discussion of those deleted tweets was disingenuous. If the discussion was much more focused on the actual clinical work, which would show the actual implications of CSJT for psychoanalytic practice then I think, that the discussion would have been a lot more productive. Sadly to me Lara Sheeha's actual position, method and practice was presented so vaguely, that I don't really have the impression to understand how she differs from traditional psychoanalysis or how she incorporates CSJT with analysis.
It would be interesting to see her or her colleagues accused of moralism in a discussion with the people of the panel. Might be an idea for a video 😉
See the latest video by my son and I
Don please read some Mark Solms. I promise you won't hate it, the 7 drive theory clears up so much in the traditional theory without harming it.
OK, if I’m going to take that risk, send me the best single paper by him for me to read. I mean send me the reference.
Solms has spent 20 years translating Freud's writings from German. There will be 4 volumes; I believe the first has been published. Solms is a psychoanalyst and a neuroscientist. His work is amazing on multiple levels.
so good. Thank you for posting
Most welcome
Very good and thought-provoking discussion, but Dan's presentation seemed to be more about attacking Lara Sheeha and her work than addressing the question at hand, which in my view is an abuse of such great space.
Cheer~~a system of psychological theory and therapy that aims to treat mental conditions by investigating the interaction of conscious and unconscious elements in the mind and bringing repressed fears and conflicts into the conscious mind by techniques such as dream interpretation and free association.😊
Is Dan and Dons arguments in writing anywhere? I want to reference them both.
Much of what Dan said will be published. For now, at least, mine are not.
Thank you for posting this symposium. As usual you did a masterful work in summarizing and explaining both your personal positions and the general thrust of psychoanalitic research across decades. If you were my student you would get an A+ with honors.
Thank you so much!
1:04:30 damn skippy ! Well said.
Although I agree with the firsts speakers conclusion that activism has to be kept seperate from psychoanalysis. His appeal to emotions reasoning doesn't really constitute a good to why it is the case.
Hard to avoid noticing the menorah, positioned almost like a crown behind Dr. Burston...
Ah. Your point ?
The idea of political psychotherapy is repulsive to me.
Is there a link to the paper?
You might write to Daniel Burston about this
what crisis?
The Crisis of Psychoanalysis: Fromm, Erich
Those under the spell of an ideology have usually substituted it for an absent developmentally more-mature personally principled perspective. There's much to learn from their unawareness of their own ego weakness, and one does endeavor (mostly in vain) to remove or minimize what impediments he can for them, but I do doubt the potential of an incapacity for intersubjectivity to meaningfully participate for any benefit but their own.
The feminism cited was almost certainly a personal individually benign and benefic interpretation of objective principle--which fortunately somehow exists even at all given the irrationalities original to feminism as ideology. In order to get popular support for itself feminism conflated workplace equality with gender equality (and in so-doing negated the value of motherhood entirely to avoid presenting an obvious false equivalency to the very women it was misusing by deception). So in the United States now because of so-called feminism women aren't guaranteed paid maternity leave. We are in the third consecutive generation of resented and valueless feminist mothering only to the great misfortune of Western Civilization IMO. I'm not a psychoanalyst but I do have too much respect for the tradition to not bring up a reminder of the difference between principle and ideology that seems like it could be useful to the referenced challenging state of affairs.
Tolerance is highly commendable... up to only the point at which it would be used against you. It is possible to squander oneself setting an example lost on those who will mistake it for stupidity. Nothing you guys don't know, so just remember this Dr Shiha(sp?) Isn't exempt from projecting her own deficiencies just because she intellectually knows better. Frankly if she's even trying to mask I don't see it, so please don't exhaust your talents entertaining someone who will damage a profession the world needs preserved. I don't know that a dirty PR battle can be won with rationality, though if so this group will do it. FWIW I still personally think the us versus them nature of the conflict is antithetical to psychoanalytic principles (as I perhaps misunderstand them) and beneath the dignity of the tradition. Best regards
Excellent points, thank you
1st guy speaker is tough to listen to. Adopt a conversational tone to connect to more people. Sounds like he's just reading a script like an automaton
Flowery Polemic, but a polemic nonetheless.
It is sad to see psychoanalysis descend into the Trump era "culture wars" with such an enduring lack of self awareness.
Such a one eyed and tilted presentation from Daniel Burston which fails to acknowledge or address the reality of White Privilege as a shared cultural experience or his refusal to acknowledge the illegal violence and land grabs of the Israeli state which Hamas responds to. Sad to see such closed thinking and arguments enduring within the institution of psychoanalysis.
I'm not sure that psychoanalysis and geopolitics should go hand in hand. Although, who can deny that life has not grown far more complex and difficult in the 21st century.
How can psychoanalysis incorporate new struggling areas into a "whole" individual identity.