I had my choice of several 10mm pistols when I bought mine, I chose the Springfield Armory XDM Elite, no failures with it so far but I only shoot the 180 gr ammo. But just listen to the excuses from Glock owners.
Chuke still fires pistols like it's his first time. Practically using the Charlie's Angels "Cup and Saucer" method. I wish he would take a course or take his grip more seriously...love the guy and it kills me.
@@GetMeThere1 It absolutely is. Watch it in slow motion .25x speed at 3:50. His grip does not adequately contain the recoil and he is jerking the trigger. With the recoil unable to be transferred to his hands it has nowhere to go and induces a failure. I've had a Glock 20 Gen 3 (and occasionally shoot these heavy rounds in it) for a while now and haven't had any issues like this.
My G20 gen 4 was an FTE machine before I took it to Robar for custom reworking. After significant work, now it's good. It took a new barrel, grip work, and a half-dozen other changes. I don't trust Gluck with high pressure rounds. My XDM, TRP Operator, Bruin, Tanfoglio Polymer Match and several others have been fine.
I have fired well over 1000 rounds of Underwood Ammo 220 gr hardcast through my Glock 20 SF and never experienced any malfunctions. A good bit of them through the stock OEM barrel, the rest through a 6" KKM barrel. But I have never fired any Buffalo Bore ammo in any of my guns. Underwood Ammo is top notch.
This is an example that people who shoot frequently will pay far more for ammunition than the guns. You’ve put $1500 worth of underwood ammunition through a $600 pistol. That’s not counting the other ammunition that you’ve likely fired through it.
@@ReeveHelalV If you love shooting your guns and hunting, ammo is not cheap. I regularly shoot around 20 different calibers. Some of them are practically obsolete and hard to find the ammo. It is also not cheap. That is why I try to reload for as many of them as I can most are rifle calibers, I have accumulated quite a bit of needed reloading components for each. I have not gotten around to reloading for the 10mm, been just buying underwood ammo for my 10mm.
@@twp616 definitely. With the price of ammunition and reloading components these days, I think people get way too concerned about the purchase price of the gun.
Very good to hear. I have a 20 SF that I have owned and carried while hiking for years, but I have not shot it as much as you have. Nonetheless it gives me confidence to know someone owns one and has put 1K of 220 grain through theirs and reported no issues. Thanks!
The problem with 10mm is that because most of it is underloaded, people also OVER estimate how hot it should be. 200 grains at 1200 FPS is max 10mm pressure/specs. 200 grain bullets are the heaviest projectiles this cartridge was designed to take.
I own two HI-Point 10mm’s. After watching another content provider (The Turkey) firing Sig V-Crown 10mm and three different SUPER HOT hand loads through the High Point without issues I didn’t hesitate. It is built like a tank.
Chuke still fires pistols like it's his first time. Practically using the Charlie's Angels "Cup and Saucer" method. I wish he would take a course or take his grip more seriously...love the guy and it kills me.
@@cuttheknot4781 He should take a basic pistol class with an NRA instructor. They help a lot when it comes to correcting bad pistol shooting habits. He also may need help with his grip and also his stance. If you watch in slow motion (.25x speed) at 3:50, you will notice his hands do nothing to contain the recoil, causing a cycling failure, but this can easily be fixed with better training. Also you can tell he is jerking the trigger as well.
Not exactly. Jeff Cooper’s original spec was a 200 gr at 1000 fps for the 10mm. Dornhaus and Dixon, the manufacturer of the Bren Ten, upped it to a 200 gr at 1150 fps. It was actually Norma that cranked it up and loaded it to 1250 fps for the 200 gr. bullet. Not exactly what Cooper had in mind. The .40 S&W is actually closer to what his idea of an ideal self defense round should be.
I've had an XDM in 10 mm and also in 9 mm, both with 4.5 inch barrels. I traded in my 10mm XDM for a 4th Gen Glock 20 because of its lower bore access & reliability. All 3 had never malfunctioned. I also replaced the 4th gen Glock 20's barrel with a 5" threaded KKM barrel which had also never malfunctioned until I screwed on a 2 port comp & had multiple malfunctions. At the same time I put on a 2 port comp on my P10C where it to had multiple malfunctions. Removing the comps returned both to 100% reliable. The most interesting thing is that when I screwed on the same 2 port comp on my 4.5" XDM 9mm I had no malfunctions. Makes me think I made a mistake trading in my XDM for the Glock. That 2 port comp does wonders on my XDM 9mm & makes it shoot softer with much less muzzle flip.
Try playing with the recoil spring weights. That is a common thing with the 40 and 10 when you start messing with comps or suppressors. It's not really that something's wrong, it's just affecting the balance of spring power versus the recoil.
Correct me if I wrong, but I thought you liked the XDM trigger the best, making it the easiest to shoot accurately. If true, sell the rest and get a second XDM. Remember, two is one, and one is none.
In his never-ending quest for the new “best 10mm”, he actually got rid of the “best” one a ways back. As someone who was likely a 10mm fan before Chuke started shooting, I would find it strange but then if you have a collection of quality 10mm guns and you look at what he’s running it all makes sense. 😂 Chuke’s a fickle fella with a penchant for something else, typically something Fad-ish and/or cheap. It is what it is.
A couple of people commented to watch the glock shooting in slow motion. So I did. And I watched all of the shooting of all of the guns in slow motion. It definitely looks like the glock had extra limp wristing. I say get some gen 5 mags for the gen 5 glock and redo the test. And keep your mind on your shooting technique. I think you got too much going on while filming yourself and your mind is not on holding your gun firmly. Others said it is still a manufacturing flaw of the gun and should not fail during limp wristing but i do not have enough experience to know. I say to Chuke thankyou for the test and lets do it again. And i am still rooting for the xdm. 😊
Whether limp wristing or not, if the gun fails when you shoot it when not everything is perfect, that's huge. If the glock is prone to limp wristing failures...then maybe we can't trust it. XDM for the W IMO though...G20 gen 4 though??
All pistols can succumb to limp wrist. Not just glocks. As much as I don't like them I still think they are good. People who get their first micro 9 or a full size 10mm and get ftfs call it a break In when it's really just a limp wrist while there learning
Jeez I saw the glock he was barely holding that damn thing. Lmao what is this. But he's hardly holding on to the rest any better. Training failure written all over this
Thats why a big revolver is a must in bear country. Never an issue, it isnt going jam. When your life depends on a fast couple of shots in bear country, 44mag or upwards in a revolver 😉
@@mr.alaska2232 I would rather a heavy 44 mag over the other 2 in brown bear country imo. No brown bears then the 357 would be a good carry. Revolvers are also a better option in my opinion in brown bear country. Heavy 44 mag rounds have so much more energy than 357. Try comparing at the range, youll see what i mean.
Get the ruger super redhawk 10mm and you won't have to worry about limp wristing or cost of ammo goes bang everytime when it comes to dangerous game defense Revolvers Rule 😊
I’ve had 3 Glock 20’s over the years, (currently own one a gen 3) but picked up the new gen 5 Glock 20 and I had multiple FTFeed issues. I sold it “like new” and never looked back. The gen 3 is absolutely solid.
I don’t go any heavier than 200gr projectiles in 10mm. The extra theoretical benefit of a 20 grain heavier bullet is not worth the documented decrease in reliability with some guns in my opinion. Hi-Point slides have resistance at the back of its travel. That is where the trigger gets reset. Once the trigger is reset you will not encounter it again until after the gun is fired and the trigger needs to be reset again. Also if you try to keep your trigger finger in contact with the trigger in the same place not lifting off or sliding around it may help tighten your groups up. 👍
As cool as the spicy 10mm is, and as nice of an outdoorsman’s cartridge a full tilt 10mm makes, a lot of guns simply can’t handle that load reliably, as Chuke and his buddies, as well as many others are finding out. This might be an old way of thinking, but I think the excessive use of polymers used in guns chambered for these magnum type cartridges is a mistake. I suspect these polymer guns were intended for the more mass produced 10mm ball practice ammo that performs more similar to .40 S&W. Even Chuke finds the price of this buffalo bore a bitter pill to swallow and retains only 10 rounds for his own use. I’m not so sure that I’d even trust the three guns left standing, plus the M&P 10, which didn’t even qualify since it’s got a terrible reputation already. I’d need to see more than 10 rds fired through each. My number is 50. I’ve seen multiple magnum revolvers knock down 50 magnum loads in a row no problem. These polymer semi autos capacity advantage means nothing if they aren’t reliable with the heavy loadings.
On video, as one could see, grip appeared to be a big variable. In some ways i reckon that mimics actual "flight or fight" scenarios, and knowing if a gun can run that way is great. But equalizing that between tests seems to be a factor here. Not being there, this is just a 2 cent video observation.
My thoughts from first hand observation. Great bears are massive, powerful, and very fast. Situational awareness is your best friend. If a bear charges you from 25 yards, you have 2 maybe 3 shots at best to deter his attack. After that he is on you. I always carried a Ruger SS Blackhawk 4 5/8 barrel in .45 Colt. My hand load was a Nosler 300 grain partition at 1,100-1,200 fps. I own a Smith 1006 10 mm, but if I am playing I bet my life, a revolver in a LARGE caliber is always my carry.
I have a high point 45acp that stays in my boat under the seat. It has been there for 7-8 years. Never cleaned or oiled. I can take it out today and empty the mag with no problem. Maybe I should clean and oil it? I may actually need it one day.
The dual spring RSA and mag spring of the Glock are known to sometimes be stiff. Manually cycle the slide about 500 times. Takes less than 5 minutes. If you still need to, exercise the mag spring. After that, cycle some dummies to polish the extractor and breechface. I'd suggest doing this on any semiauto before trusting it.
I’ve had my G20 gen3 for going on 14 years. I purchased the storm lake barrel for it about 12 years ago and was running double tap and buffalo through it with no issue. There was not the options back then like there is now but I can’t see changing something that has been reliable. I haven’t reached the 5k mark yet but it has well over 2k through it with range and hot rounds. If I’m in the woods this is with me.
Just bought a S&W- M&P - 2.0 in 10mm. 15+1, I think that may be my conceal carry, also have the Springfield Armory XDM elite in 10mm 10+1, so bring on those bad ass bears.
Hi Chuke, The gen 5 Glock 20 has a sharp square cornered extractor where the cartridge feeds up under the claw. You can physically feel the kerchunk as the round attempts to make the transition from magazine to extractor, if you concentrate on that as you shoot,albeit shooting slowly. If you slowly ride the slide by hand when chambering a round it will be evident. It’s the same with both of my gen 5 20’s. I used a ceramic stone from Brownells to gently break the sharp edges on the bottom of the extractor. They both feed effortlessly now. I’m guessing that there are some small differences between the gen 5 extractors and the gen 3-4 extractors, since my gen 3 Glock 29 extractor has never been an issue. I know, I know, a factory firearm should be good to go right out of the box. Fortunately, I have a background tuning 1911 pistols and this is a known modification for their extractors. Since performing this simple mod I have had no issues with the gen 5 Glock 20’s with any ammunition, including Underwood. I haven’t tried Bison Barrel yet.
@@DeusRegum mine is the 4.625 inch model and using a Carver Custom HEAVY tungsten guide rod and quad ported by Mag-Na-Port it works perfectly. No problems.
What brand is that hoodie Chuke, it looks super comfy!! Also, would the G20's be GTG with a quality aftermarket barrel? I keep debating on whether to get a 10mm conversion barrel for my G21 or stick with .45 Super since I already have a Storm Lake ported .45 barrel.
Awesome video and expensive. I just wanted to point out that the mag failures with 220HC usually occur when the magazine is at full capacity. Especially the Sig.
Recently discovered if you CLP the Taurus mags they tend to feed better. Of course that was with 40 S&W wolf ammo but she went from jamming to feeding just fine.
I don’t think I can bring myself to pull the trigger on a polymer 10mm. I haven’t personally had a lot of luck with customer service. If CZ ever made some equivalent of their 75 in that caliber, I’d go for it. But I like my steel.
Cool vid. Still haven’t had a chance to run hard cast through my FN 510, so I was hoping you would have used one- maybe a part 2 🤣. Do you shoot out in the valley or is that range in Anchorage? Also, where do you get your ammo? I’ve been to several places in the valley and no one had Underwood or BB 200gr in stock! You can tell it’s Spring in Alaska 👍🏼
Hey chuke, how did the sig sauer p220 hunter 10 mm feel compared to these? I found one only fired by the shop to test , it was a trade. Gorgeous, had to buy! Almost paid it off!
@@ChukesOutdoorAdventures cool! It’s low capacity, but in ny max capacity is only 10 rds anyway… for black bear, probably pretty solid. Thankfully no grizzly down this way! Great videos! Love your Sasquatch and supernatural type videos too! Have a great day!
I love those SIG Sauer P220 10mm Auto all-steel hammer-fired 5" pistols, especially in their frame-mounted decocker DA/SA SRT Trigger configurations. My dream gun... maybe someday when I can afford one. Good things! 👍
I think the TH10 just dosen't like that ammo because I run reloads on mine without issues..GB guns ran multiple grains from different manufacturers on it without any failures so I think it's just that anmo
I don’t have problems with my Glock but my ex did, she’d get failures and I didn’t know why but limp wristing shouldn’t be an issue just like lead shouldn’t be an issue in my opinion, none of the gun experts warned me about these things when I bought my first gun, a g20, specifically for bear pro
I mean, isn't that a little of the issue though? Can you trust that you won't get a limp wrist failure with a bear charging you? But I had the same thought as you...
It ain't just limp wristing it's a engineering flaw. Even if it was limp wristing who would be dumb enough to bet there life on a pistol you have to hold perfectly to operate.
You are right it could have made a difference, it needs a fair chance . I am not a Glock fan but it’s up to you as to what you like, to each his own I say.
I am surprise with the Glock, my gen 4 works with everything and so did my sig xten, XDM and S&W. I haven't tried my Hipoint yet and I need to get the Taurus. Great video 😁
Underwood 220 gr load is 8.4 of Longshot an excellent Full Power load in G20. Grizzly Ammo 200gr Hardcast the best in 200gr and 21 BHN it load is 8.5 of Long Shot . Wolff Extra Power Springs in Mags for G20 and 22 pound spring.
I think you may have just described what their problem is, Glocks are kind of RSA sensitive it seems. Don't know why, but it may be that them shooting 220.hardcast is throwing the spring out of balance and changing the timing. Wonder if they went up a little bit, if it wouldn't make it run good?
Imo 220gr is too heavy I would recommend making handloads there are plenty of 170-180gr hard cast coated for reload work them up to 1300fps the one's I was looking at flag nose and a flat nose cone like a hard cast semiwad cutter could be a great penetrater
same exact malfunction with my g20 gen 5. happened with 4 different kinds of underwood ammo (200 hard cast, 220 hard cast, extreme penetrator and 180 jhp) Glock said that their gun is not rated for these loads as they're too hot in their email reply. very disappointed .
Sadly i feel glocks 10mm's are under sprung. I have always changed the recoil springs out to 22-24lb and they have always run exceptionally well with full house loads. The glock oem recoil springs are to weak.
Glock has gen 5 mags due to the new dimensions of the marksman barrel. Not sure why you can't find gen 5 mags when they come with 3. I'm NOT a glock fan Boi, but I do understand basic geometry and the concept of fluidity. Every gun got to use the appropriate magazine except Glock, which had gen 4 mags. I dunno why there's so much shenanigans when it comes to accessory fluidity with glock? But that may be why you're having glock malfunctions.
My .02$ worth: not a Glock fan-boy here, I find it curious that you handicap one pistol out of the group, all of the others have all of their original parts in place, all that is except the Glock.
I just took delivery of my new on G20 gen3 sf, 2 days ago. I shot one rnd. of 180gr JHP and then ran 10ea 220gr. Buffalo Bore Hardcast to see if it would blow up. Well when the smoke cleared there were 10 holes in the paper and I still had my hands. I then ran another 149 rnds of 180gr JHP without a failure. I then put 10 rnds of 200grn Underwood JHPs with no issues I kept 10rds and will use that as my home defense ammo. I had to prove it to myself and feel confident with this gun. It even came with the Black Nitride finish which I really wanted. I was worried after I ordered this gun. I thought Glock was the way to go then saw bad reviews like this one. But now I Love my Glock and it works. I'll be easier on it next time. Only because I can't afford ammo like that. If it's even available.
I have a daughter who limp wristed a Glock and caused it to malfunction. She said Dad something is wrong with this gun. I took and mag dumped two mags. I told her she was limp wristing it. If you have a malfunction with a Glock it’s 95% likely to be operator error and I’m not a Glock fanboy. They’re a soulless piece of plastic but the damned things work. If you can’t shoot a Glock why would I trust your opinion of any other gun? I don’t like being harsh like this but I hate seeing gun reviews where guns get trashed for operator error. It’s like the guys who give Kimber the grace of a couple hundred rounds to break it in but won’t give that same grace to a lower priced handgun. It’s just really sad. 😔
Love the 10mm content glad I found this channel went to Montana in last week feb and beginning March came across fresh bear scratch high in tree and track found out latter that that trail had man eaten by grizz and they didn’t destroy it so yeah bought 10 mm never thought I needed in Texas but Montana trip planned June and Alaska soon so thanks for the education
I’m cheering over here!!! I have both the XDM and the hi point!!!!!! I was hoping that the hi point would survive since that is what I will be traveling with
Where's the Smith and FN? With the Glock the Gen 5 mags are different so I'd try again with the correct mags. Also try gripping better. Looks the first shot was a surprise when it went off. You were possibly flustered.😂
No way was he hitting a target the way them guns flop around in his hands! It looked almost dangerous if them groups where not 6 feet up and down i will eat my underwear!
The only thing I have found with Glock is the G20 uses same mag spring as G17…in fact it is the same across the board for the full size line..…compact..so on.. This leads to the spring not keeping up with the slide velocity and…the fact the heavy projos want to stay in place as the gun recoils…depressing the stack.. Change your mag springs out for “extra” power…if I remember right I use Wolff. Hadnt had any issues since. I should note no issues with typical loadings..like 180gr at 11-1200ish fps…only when u get into the heavy hot stuff…. That is what I determined anyways…. Note, will reduce capacity to 14.
Lol glock fail 😂. Right on . 🎉 Springfield for the win and sig. Hi-point thought do great but way heavy. Know Taurus looks like it least tried. 10mm was based around 200gr. So 200gr hard cast should work well if u handload at right spec.
I think a lot of these 10mm need to be fired about 300 times to break them in. The only 10mm I own that I had issues out of is my S&W M&P 2.0 10MM. Load a mag of normal Fiocchi JHP and it fails when you first rack it, stove pipe. Then fails when firing. I haven't shot it in a long time, but I did replace the upper spring with a 24 pound Wolf spring. I hear it might be the magazine springs. I did not replace the guide rod, just the spring and not sure if that will matter. Anyone know?
Why not use the mags that the glock came with? You did a test a year ago with chuck and he shot it with every kind of ammo including what you have today and it was flawless. Also he gave you shit about limp wristing so..🤷♂️ Still appreciate the content!
Nice testing Chuke! I was hopeful with the Taurus. Too bad it failed. Try the Smith & Wesson M&P 10 please. I have had no failures yet on mine but I have had to put just under a $100 into the @#$%& trigger to smooth it out.
My S&W M&P 10mm M2.0 4.6" pistol trigger smoothed out after about 300 rounds fired, and an indeterminate amount of snap-cap dry-firing. Call it the initial break-in period. Or one can just polish the striker-safety plunger. Despite the post-broken-in smoothed out trigger (striker-safety plunger), I just didn't like it... the long take-up, the relatively long reset, the general feel, the fact that it was made of polymer. I replaced it with a Timney Alpha trigger... huge improvement. I prefer the Timney Alpha trigger over the Apex Tactical triggers. Good things! 👍
@@jpg_sig10 Thanks for the reply and suggestions. I tried the Galloway trigger. Didnt like that. No pre travel and very little over travel with an actual increase in pull weight. I took that out, put in the original trigger with an Overwatch kit. Better return spring. Polished safety stop plunger and a polished sear with a 4.3lb sear spring. That brought the avg pull weight back down to an avg of 4lbs. Lots of pre travel still but improved the reset. I will check out the Timney next. Thanks!
I had my choice of several 10mm pistols when I bought mine, I chose the Springfield Armory XDM Elite, no failures with it so far but I only shoot the 180 gr ammo. But just listen to the excuses from Glock owners.
I got Hipoint in .45 both pistol and carbine and also the same 10mm never, have had a single failure. Fun and accurate guns all 4 for under a 1000.00
This video is the perfect argument for a revolver.
Maybe hi point isn't such a joke after all
This deserves a like for how much money you blew on ammo on this one
Is that a Hi-Point, or a cordless drill?
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Cordless drills are prettier
😂😂😂😂😂
While not pretty the highpoint is a good gu
Shoots better than all the other TACTICoooooooool pistols isn't that what matters or is being super duper cool man cool man
Chuke still fires pistols like it's his first time. Practically using the Charlie's Angels "Cup and Saucer" method. I wish he would take a course or take his grip more seriously...love the guy and it kills me.
Doh! I was doing so well for a while with 9mm too 😭
Uh really, all I see is has his left thumb up high by the slide rather than low on the frame. Tea cupping is the bottom of the grip on the palm.
And that loose grip could be what made the Glock fail.
@@GetMeThere1 It absolutely is. Watch it in slow motion .25x speed at 3:50. His grip does not adequately contain the recoil and he is jerking the trigger. With the recoil unable to be transferred to his hands it has nowhere to go and induces a failure. I've had a Glock 20 Gen 3 (and occasionally shoot these heavy rounds in it) for a while now and haven't had any issues like this.
My G20 gen 4 was an FTE machine before I took it to Robar for custom reworking.
After significant work, now it's good. It took a new barrel, grip work, and a half-dozen other changes.
I don't trust Gluck with high pressure rounds.
My XDM, TRP Operator, Bruin, Tanfoglio Polymer Match and several others have been fine.
I have fired well over 1000 rounds of Underwood Ammo 220 gr hardcast through my Glock 20 SF and never experienced any malfunctions. A good bit of them through the stock OEM barrel, the rest through a 6" KKM barrel. But I have never fired any Buffalo Bore ammo in any of my guns. Underwood Ammo is top notch.
This is an example that people who shoot frequently will pay far more for ammunition than the guns. You’ve put $1500 worth of underwood ammunition through a $600 pistol. That’s not counting the other ammunition that you’ve likely fired through it.
@stanj9321 I've probably run $50k worth of gas through my pickup that only cost $30k in 2002.
@@ReeveHelalV If you love shooting your guns and hunting, ammo is not cheap. I regularly shoot around 20 different calibers. Some of them are practically obsolete and hard to find the ammo. It is also not cheap. That is why I try to reload for as many of them as I can most are rifle calibers, I have accumulated quite a bit of needed reloading components for each. I have not gotten around to reloading for the 10mm, been just buying underwood ammo for my 10mm.
@@twp616 definitely. With the price of ammunition and reloading components these days, I think people get way too concerned about the purchase price of the gun.
Very good to hear. I have a 20 SF that I have owned and carried while hiking for years, but I have not shot it as much as you have. Nonetheless it gives me confidence to know someone owns one and has put 1K of 220 grain through theirs and reported no issues. Thanks!
Ty for revalidating my 10mm purchase.
The problem with 10mm is that because most of it is underloaded, people also OVER estimate how hot it should be. 200 grains at 1200 FPS is max 10mm pressure/specs. 200 grain bullets are the heaviest projectiles this cartridge was designed to take.
I own two HI-Point 10mm’s.
After watching another content provider (The Turkey) firing Sig V-Crown 10mm and three different SUPER HOT hand loads through the High Point without issues I didn’t hesitate.
It is built like a tank.
LIMPY McLIMPERTON at your service!!! 😆
Chuke still fires pistols like it's his first time. Practically using the Charlie's Angels "Cup and Saucer" method. I wish he would take a course or take his grip more seriously...love the guy and it kills me.
@@cuttheknot4781 He should take a basic pistol class with an NRA instructor. They help a lot when it comes to correcting bad pistol shooting habits. He also may need help with his grip and also his stance. If you watch in slow motion (.25x speed) at 3:50, you will notice his hands do nothing to contain the recoil, causing a cycling failure, but this can easily be fixed with better training. Also you can tell he is jerking the trigger as well.
Why didn't the others fail if he was limp wristing ?
@@Tom-xn8nn because he was actually gripping them properly
@bananaboat1808 he griped every fire arm the same way .
FYI: the original spec for 10mm is 200g @ 1250fps.
I love my XDM 4”. Gonna buy the 3.8” I think.
Not exactly. Jeff Cooper’s original spec was a 200 gr at 1000 fps for the 10mm. Dornhaus and Dixon, the manufacturer of the Bren Ten, upped it to a 200 gr at 1150 fps. It was actually Norma that cranked it up and loaded it to 1250 fps for the 200 gr. bullet. Not exactly what Cooper had in mind. The .40 S&W is actually closer to what his idea of an ideal self defense round should be.
I've had an XDM in 10 mm and also in 9 mm, both with 4.5 inch barrels. I traded in my 10mm XDM for a 4th Gen Glock 20 because of its lower bore access & reliability. All 3 had never malfunctioned. I also replaced the 4th gen Glock 20's barrel with a 5" threaded KKM barrel which had also never malfunctioned until I screwed on a 2 port comp & had multiple malfunctions. At the same time I put on a 2 port comp on my P10C where it to had multiple malfunctions. Removing the comps returned both to 100% reliable. The most interesting thing is that when I screwed on the same 2 port comp on my 4.5" XDM 9mm I had no malfunctions. Makes me think I made a mistake trading in my XDM for the Glock. That 2 port comp does wonders on my XDM 9mm & makes it shoot softer with much less muzzle flip.
Good move G20 Gen 4
Try playing with the recoil spring weights. That is a common thing with the 40 and 10 when you start messing with comps or suppressors. It's not really that something's wrong, it's just affecting the balance of spring power versus the recoil.
Correct me if I wrong, but I thought you liked the XDM trigger the best, making it the easiest to shoot accurately. If true, sell the rest and get a second XDM. Remember, two is one, and one is none.
Yup love that line. That's why I have 2 10mm ronins 😂
We agreed xdm wins...
Chuke test out the echelon please
After buying the glock you must not have bought enough after market parts to upgrade it. (sarc)
I really wish HK would make a 10mm!
USP 10. Yep.
And Canik 👍
HK making a 10mm prolly a 1500 or more gun
I have a P30.
The HK 45's and HK USP 45's are nice.
I want to like the hammer fired Taurus, but...
Where's the FN 510? 🤔
Good question, probably not worthy 😅
FN having catastrophic failures. He was probably scared to shoot it?
In his never-ending quest for the new “best 10mm”, he actually got rid of the “best” one a ways back. As someone who was likely a 10mm fan before Chuke started shooting, I would find it strange but then if you have a collection of quality 10mm guns and you look at what he’s running it all makes sense. 😂 Chuke’s a fickle fella with a penchant for something else, typically something Fad-ish and/or cheap. It is what it is.
He can't afford it lol. It starts at $949
You miss this one he put out? ruclips.net/video/csIC9hHYawU/видео.html
In a gun fight or Grizzly attack, you can’t say “It’s the gen 4 mag” . Failure is failure. Steaming pile.
Mine has failed too. Nature of the beast.
Yep good point…
Better stick to revolvers then
Go back to a stock Gen 3
@@qb7384 *Gen 4 😅
Have you ever done a side by side gen 3-4-5
I would prefer all new mags in all them because that’s what you would get if you needed to buy them.
They sleep on that YEET cannon Chuke!😂😂😂😂😂 I might buy one just for fun🤷🏾♂
Haha yep!!
A couple of people commented to watch the glock shooting in slow motion. So I did. And I watched all of the shooting of all of the guns in slow motion. It definitely looks like the glock had extra limp wristing. I say get some gen 5 mags for the gen 5 glock and redo the test. And keep your mind on your shooting technique. I think you got too much going on while filming yourself and your mind is not on holding your gun firmly.
Others said it is still a manufacturing flaw of the gun and should not fail during limp wristing but i do not have enough experience to know.
I say to Chuke thankyou for the test and lets do it again.
And i am still rooting for the xdm. 😊
Whether limp wristing or not, if the gun fails when you shoot it when not everything is perfect, that's huge. If the glock is prone to limp wristing failures...then maybe we can't trust it. XDM for the W IMO though...G20 gen 4 though??
Any pistol can fail from limp wrists. They depend on physics to function.
All pistols can succumb to limp wrist. Not just glocks. As much as I don't like them I still think they are good. People who get their first micro 9 or a full size 10mm and get ftfs call it a break In when it's really just a limp wrist while there learning
Jeez I saw the glock he was barely holding that damn thing. Lmao what is this. But he's hardly holding on to the rest any better. Training failure written all over this
High Point Everytime
Thats why a big revolver is a must in bear country. Never an issue, it isnt going jam. When your life depends on a fast couple of shots in bear country, 44mag or upwards in a revolver 😉
Good point
What about 41 magnum, hell I live in Alaska and I carry 357
@@mr.alaska2232 I would rather a heavy 44 mag over the other 2 in brown bear country imo. No brown bears then the 357 would be a good carry. Revolvers are also a better option in my opinion in brown bear country. Heavy 44 mag rounds have so much more energy than 357. Try comparing at the range, youll see what i mean.
Revolvers aren't as reliable as striker fire guns when dirty
@@Tom-xn8nn ?
Where was the fn510?
I was wondering that myself
Would have been nice to see the M&P too.
Maybe there will be a part 2?🤷♂️👍
He has a video about the 510 failures he had.
@@TheDiabeticMarksmanhe didnt have any. He heard accounts of failures but did not report any himself.
Get the ruger super redhawk 10mm and you won't have to worry about limp wristing or cost of ammo goes bang everytime when it comes to dangerous game defense Revolvers Rule 😊
I’ve had 3 Glock 20’s over the years, (currently own one a gen 3) but picked up the new gen 5 Glock 20 and I had multiple FTFeed issues. I sold it “like new” and never looked back. The gen 3 is absolutely solid.
Wonder what's going on with Gen 5? All of my other Gen 5's are great, and my Glock 20 Gen 4 has been flawless with everything I've run through it.
@@BlueRidgeCritter The slide is too light is what I made sense of it. The gen 5 slide is much lighter than the previous gens.
Xdm Daaa King
I totally agree 👍 🤝 👌 👏
I don’t go any heavier than 200gr projectiles in 10mm. The extra theoretical benefit of a 20 grain heavier bullet is not worth the documented decrease in reliability with some guns in my opinion.
Hi-Point slides have resistance at the back of its travel. That is where the trigger gets reset. Once the trigger is reset you will not encounter it again until after the gun is fired and the trigger needs to be reset again.
Also if you try to keep your trigger finger in contact with the trigger in the same place not lifting off or sliding around it may help tighten your groups up.
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I agree. The 220gr. Cant do anything that the 200gr cant do.
As cool as the spicy 10mm is, and as nice of an outdoorsman’s cartridge a full tilt 10mm makes, a lot of guns simply can’t handle that load reliably, as Chuke and his buddies, as well as many others are finding out.
This might be an old way of thinking, but I think the excessive use of polymers used in guns chambered for these magnum type cartridges is a mistake. I suspect these polymer guns were intended for the more mass produced 10mm ball practice ammo that performs more similar to .40 S&W.
Even Chuke finds the price of this buffalo bore a bitter pill to swallow and retains only 10 rounds for his own use. I’m not so sure that I’d even trust the three guns left standing, plus the M&P 10, which didn’t even qualify since it’s got a terrible reputation already. I’d need to see more than 10 rds fired through each. My number is 50.
I’ve seen multiple magnum revolvers knock down 50 magnum loads in a row no problem. These polymer semi autos capacity advantage means nothing if they aren’t reliable with the heavy loadings.
XDM 👍✔️of all my friends yes far less issues. Sig 220 no issues either.
Yep
On video, as one could see, grip appeared to be a big variable. In some ways i reckon that mimics actual "flight or fight" scenarios, and knowing if a gun can run that way is great. But equalizing that between tests seems to be a factor here. Not being there, this is just a 2 cent video observation.
My thoughts from first hand observation. Great bears are massive, powerful, and very fast. Situational awareness is your best friend. If a bear charges you from 25 yards, you have 2 maybe 3 shots at best to deter his attack. After that he is on you. I always carried a Ruger SS Blackhawk 4 5/8 barrel in .45 Colt. My hand load was a Nosler 300 grain partition at 1,100-1,200 fps. I own a Smith 1006 10 mm, but if I am playing I bet my life, a revolver in a LARGE caliber is always my carry.
Show me how fast can you draw and show me from the holster you can hit center mass 2 shots within 2 seconds.
You went from loving the XDM to saying it was inferior to your stupid Glock, and now are finally realizing how superior the XDM is.
I have a high point 45acp that stays in my boat under the seat. It has been there for 7-8 years. Never cleaned or oiled. I can take it out today and empty the mag with no problem. Maybe I should clean and oil it? I may actually need it one day.
I’m not sure what stings more- the Glock failure, or the price of the ammo!
Right
Buffalo bore ammo is over priced. They dont have anything that double tap or underwood cant do at cheaper prices too. Never had an issue with either.
@@samtaylor7800÷1 for Underwood
The dual spring RSA and mag spring of the Glock are known to sometimes be stiff.
Manually cycle the slide about 500 times. Takes less than 5 minutes.
If you still need to, exercise the mag spring.
After that, cycle some dummies to polish the extractor and breechface.
I'd suggest doing this on any semiauto before trusting it.
I’ve had my G20 gen3 for going on 14 years. I purchased the storm lake barrel for it about 12 years ago and was running double tap and buffalo through it with no issue. There was not the options back then like there is now but I can’t see changing something that has been reliable. I haven’t reached the 5k mark yet but it has well over 2k through it with range and hot rounds. If I’m in the woods this is with me.
Excellent!
Just bought a S&W- M&P - 2.0 in 10mm. 15+1, I think that may be my conceal carry, also have the Springfield Armory XDM elite in 10mm 10+1, so bring on those bad ass bears.
Hi Chuke, The gen 5 Glock 20 has a sharp square cornered extractor where the cartridge feeds up under the claw. You can physically feel the kerchunk as the round attempts to make the transition from magazine to extractor, if you concentrate on that as you shoot,albeit shooting slowly. If you slowly ride the slide by hand when chambering a round it will be evident.
It’s the same with both of my gen 5 20’s. I used a ceramic stone from Brownells to gently break the sharp edges on the bottom of the extractor. They both feed effortlessly now. I’m guessing that there are some small differences between the gen 5 extractors and the gen 3-4 extractors, since my gen 3 Glock 29 extractor has never been an issue.
I know, I know, a factory firearm should be good to go right out of the box. Fortunately, I have a background tuning 1911 pistols and this is a known modification for their extractors. Since performing this simple mod I have had no issues with the gen 5 Glock 20’s with any ammunition, including Underwood. I haven’t tried Bison Barrel yet.
Oh my goodness he has ammo near his guns!!!! 😱
🤣🤣🤣
Underwoods coated Hard Cast always worked for me reliably in my 10mm's while the BB uncoated one sometimes didn't.
Try a M&P 2.0 10mm as mine has been a winner.
He has, it has been a failure
M&P Epic Failures left and right and twice on Sundays. Never again!
Seen many in the 4.25" version none in the performance center 2.0 10mm 5.6" variant
@@gumps1986 early ones yes. But mine has been customized and quad ported by Mag-Na-Port and I don’t have anything to complain about.
@@DeusRegum mine is the 4.625 inch model and using a Carver Custom HEAVY tungsten guide rod and quad ported by Mag-Na-Port it works perfectly. No problems.
You failed your Glock 😢
lol
What brand is that hoodie Chuke, it looks super comfy!! Also, would the G20's be GTG with a quality aftermarket barrel? I keep debating on whether to get a 10mm conversion barrel for my G21 or stick with .45 Super since I already have a Storm Lake ported .45 barrel.
XDM for the win! When you shoot off of bench, using a pistol rest, your eyes open wide with which pistol is the most accurate.
Awesome video and expensive. I just wanted to point out that the mag failures with 220HC usually occur when the magazine is at full capacity. Especially the Sig.
Limpy McGlock makes his regular cameo appearance on Chuke’s Outdoor Adventures.
Doh!
Why haven't you guys tried the Doubletap 200gr Hardcast Solid 10mm? It's rated at 1300 fps from a Glock 20. This is one ass kickin round.
I also had a lot of failure to feeds with my Glock 20 Gen 5 and it also chewed up a magazine. Switched to a XDM elite 3.8 not one single problem.
Recently discovered if you CLP the Taurus mags they tend to feed better. Of course that was with 40 S&W wolf ammo but she went from jamming to feeding just fine.
I don’t think I can bring myself to pull the trigger on a polymer 10mm. I haven’t personally had a lot of luck with customer service.
If CZ ever made some equivalent of their 75 in that caliber, I’d go for it. But I like my steel.
Can’t blame you there…
Cool vid. Still haven’t had a chance to run hard cast through my FN 510, so I was hoping you would have used one- maybe a part 2 🤣. Do you shoot out in the valley or is that range in Anchorage? Also, where do you get your ammo? I’ve been to several places in the valley and no one had Underwood or BB 200gr in stock! You can tell it’s Spring in Alaska 👍🏼
Hey chuke, how did the sig sauer p220 hunter 10 mm feel compared to these? I found one only fired by the shop to test , it was a trade. Gorgeous, had to buy! Almost paid it off!
They are amazing. Really solid pistols. Just a little heavy with the capacity being a little too low for me. Great option though
@@ChukesOutdoorAdventures cool! It’s low capacity, but in ny max capacity is only 10 rds anyway… for black bear, probably pretty solid. Thankfully no grizzly down this way! Great videos! Love your Sasquatch and supernatural type videos too! Have a great day!
I love those SIG Sauer P220 10mm Auto all-steel hammer-fired 5" pistols, especially in their frame-mounted decocker DA/SA SRT Trigger configurations.
My dream gun... maybe someday when I can afford one.
Good things! 👍
Looked like on 1st shot with the Glock it almost jumped out of his hand then when he gripped it better no issues
Doh! Could be it…
I think the TH10 just dosen't like that ammo because I run reloads on mine without issues..GB guns ran multiple grains from different manufacturers on it without any failures so I think it's just that anmo
I don’t have problems with my Glock but my ex did, she’d get failures and I didn’t know why but limp wristing shouldn’t be an issue just like lead shouldn’t be an issue in my opinion, none of the gun experts warned me about these things when I bought my first gun, a g20, specifically for bear pro
Hate to break this to you brother but you appeared to be limp wristing and Glocks don’t like that.
I mean, isn't that a little of the issue though? Can you trust that you won't get a limp wrist failure with a bear charging you? But I had the same thought as you...
It ain't just limp wristing it's a engineering flaw. Even if it was limp wristing who would be dumb enough to bet there life on a pistol you have to hold perfectly to operate.
Oh look the armchair expert
See if the Gen 5 mag does the trick
You are right it could have made a difference, it needs a fair chance . I am not a Glock fan but it’s up to you as to what you like, to each his own I say.
You forgot to say which one you're taking in the woods with you.
I don't usually defend Block, but you limp wristed that.
Agreed
Yet all were but glock still failed.
@TheDiabeticMarksman When you limp wrist any pistol, it will cause a malfunction you clueless wonder.
@@paulparadis66
a good pistol will not care how tight you hold it.
@@CHRISTIAANTODD3 you're full of 💩. Tell us again how little you know about guns some more.
I am surprise with the Glock, my gen 4 works with everything and so did my sig xten, XDM and S&W. I haven't tried my Hipoint yet and I need to get the Taurus. Great video 😁
I watched this with my XDM Elite next to me we cheered... We also knew the glock was a POS...
Underwood 220 gr load is 8.4 of Longshot an excellent Full Power load in G20. Grizzly Ammo 200gr Hardcast the best in 200gr and 21 BHN it load is 8.5 of Long Shot . Wolff Extra Power Springs in Mags for G20 and 22 pound spring.
I think you may have just described what their problem is, Glocks are kind of RSA sensitive it seems. Don't know why, but it may be that them shooting 220.hardcast is throwing the spring out of balance and changing the timing. Wonder if they went up a little bit, if it wouldn't make it run good?
Imo 220gr is too heavy
I would recommend making handloads there are plenty of 170-180gr hard cast coated for reload work them up to 1300fps the one's I was looking at flag nose and a flat nose cone like a hard cast semiwad cutter could be a great penetrater
Gen 4 g20 is my go to sold my gen5. The gen4 is the most reliable
Got the gen 4 and buff-bore and no problems.
Great stuff as always. I shoot it in my 1911 RIA FS TAC II and Glock 29 X-Grip.
same exact malfunction with my g20 gen 5. happened with 4 different kinds of underwood ammo (200 hard cast, 220 hard cast, extreme penetrator and 180 jhp) Glock said that their gun is not rated for these loads as they're too hot in their email reply. very disappointed .
Sadly i feel glocks 10mm's are under sprung. I have always changed the recoil springs out to 22-24lb and they have always run exceptionally well with full house loads. The glock oem recoil springs are to weak.
Glock has gen 5 mags due to the new dimensions of the marksman barrel. Not sure why you can't find gen 5 mags when they come with 3. I'm NOT a glock fan Boi, but I do understand basic geometry and the concept of fluidity. Every gun got to use the appropriate magazine except Glock, which had gen 4 mags. I dunno why there's so much shenanigans when it comes to accessory fluidity with glock? But that may be why you're having glock malfunctions.
My .02$ worth: not a Glock fan-boy here, I find it curious that you handicap one pistol out of the group, all of the others have all of their original parts in place, all that is except the Glock.
Your left thumb looks like it drags on the slide that first shot with the G20
I just took delivery of my new on G20 gen3 sf, 2 days ago. I shot one rnd. of 180gr JHP and then ran 10ea 220gr. Buffalo Bore Hardcast to see if it would blow up. Well when the smoke cleared there were 10 holes in the paper and I still had my hands. I then ran another 149 rnds of 180gr JHP without a failure. I then put 10 rnds of 200grn Underwood JHPs with no issues I kept 10rds and will use that as my home defense ammo. I had to prove it to myself and feel confident with this gun. It even came with the Black Nitride finish which I really wanted. I was worried after I ordered this gun. I thought Glock was the way to go then saw bad reviews like this one. But now I Love my Glock and it works. I'll be easier on it next time. Only because I can't afford ammo like that. If it's even available.
I have a daughter who limp wristed a Glock and caused it to malfunction. She said Dad something is wrong with this gun. I took and mag dumped two mags. I told her she was limp wristing it. If you have a malfunction with a Glock it’s 95% likely to be operator error and I’m not a Glock fanboy. They’re a soulless piece of plastic but the damned things work. If you can’t shoot a Glock why would I trust your opinion of any other gun? I don’t like being harsh like this but I hate seeing gun reviews where guns get trashed for operator error. It’s like the guys who give Kimber the grace of a couple hundred rounds to break it in but won’t give that same grace to a lower priced handgun. It’s just really sad. 😔
Love the 10mm content glad I found this channel went to Montana in last week feb and beginning March came across fresh bear scratch high in tree and track found out latter that that trail had man eaten by grizz and they didn’t destroy it so yeah bought 10 mm never thought I needed in Texas but Montana trip planned June and Alaska soon so thanks for the education
Had similar issues with jamming(ejecting) underwood ammos in 220 with my glock 40..
Nice watch! Which one is that? Is that part of Chukes tactical watch series?
i shoot a tangfoglio stock 2 10mm 22 pound recoil spring, all i use is buffalo bore 220 hardcast, shoots like a 9mm, double stack, double action
Tangfoglios are the best!
I’m cheering over here!!! I have both the XDM and the hi point!!!!!! I was hoping that the hi point would survive since that is what I will be traveling with
Haha you came out on top!!!
I have been noodling on this more.... Does one realy need 10mm ammo larger than 180 grain bullets?
One jam with the Glock 20. I wouldn't call that a fail. Why the Taurus is functioning is a good question.
1 out of 10 is 10 percent failure rate which is horrible for a defensive gun.
@@rockie307 Thank you 4 the tip 👏🏿
How’s the Taurus run on non hard cast ammo? How about some hot Underwood XTP?
Where's the Smith and FN? With the Glock the Gen 5 mags are different so I'd try again with the correct mags. Also try gripping better. Looks the first shot was a surprise when it went off. You were possibly flustered.😂
Haha I was! 😅😂
I haven't tried the 220 hard cast, but my M&P has ran a lot of warmer loads from BB and others without any issue.
We won’t be satisfied til you’re singing soprano bro
Doh!
Now I REALLY WANT that SIG XTEN! Damn You CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE!!!!!
I am an XDM man but in my eyes the xdm did not win. It was a tie between the xdm, Yeet Cannon and X-Ten.
Love your 10mm content. Keep it up.
No way was he hitting a target the way them guns flop around in his hands! It looked almost dangerous if them groups where not 6 feet up and down i will eat my underwear!
Hi Point 10mm has simply no right to shoot as smooth as it does
The only thing I have found with Glock is the G20 uses same mag spring as G17…in fact it is the same across the board for the full size line..…compact..so on.. This leads to the spring not keeping up with the slide velocity and…the fact the heavy projos want to stay in place as the gun recoils…depressing the stack.. Change your mag springs out for “extra” power…if I remember right I use Wolff. Hadnt had any issues since. I should note no issues with typical loadings..like 180gr at 11-1200ish fps…only when u get into the heavy hot stuff…. That is what I determined anyways…. Note, will reduce capacity to 14.
Good ole Birchwood, I’m a member and love it there
It’s great there!!
Lol glock fail 😂. Right on . 🎉 Springfield for the win and sig. Hi-point thought do great but way heavy. Know Taurus looks like it least tried. 10mm was based around 200gr. So 200gr hard cast should work well if u handload at right spec.
Chuke, you need a Grand Power P40 and SIG P220 in 10mm to round out your collection.
I really do…
I think a lot of these 10mm need to be fired about 300 times to break them in. The only 10mm I own that I had issues out of is my S&W M&P 2.0 10MM. Load a mag of normal Fiocchi JHP and it fails when you first rack it, stove pipe. Then fails when firing.
I haven't shot it in a long time, but I did replace the upper spring with a 24 pound Wolf spring. I hear it might be the magazine springs. I did not replace the guide rod, just the spring and not sure if that will matter. Anyone know?
Chuke you seem terrified of the round you’re feeding the pistols. Ride that horse, don’t let it ride you. 😂
I kinda want a G40 so I’m interested in this test
I've got 2. Never a failure. Shoot all kinds of ammo. Great guns
I appreciate your honesty.
Is it really honesty???
@@sparky_-mf2cs 🤔
Why not use the mags that the glock came with? You did a test a year ago with chuck and he shot it with every kind of ammo including what you have today and it was flawless. Also he gave you shit about limp wristing so..🤷♂️
Still appreciate the content!
Did any bullet tumble? Round holes in the target?
Nice testing Chuke! I was hopeful with the Taurus. Too bad it failed. Try the Smith & Wesson M&P 10 please. I have had no failures yet on mine but I have had to put just under a $100 into the @#$%& trigger to smooth it out.
My S&W M&P 10mm M2.0 4.6" pistol trigger smoothed out after about 300 rounds fired, and an indeterminate amount of snap-cap dry-firing.
Call it the initial break-in period.
Or one can just polish the striker-safety plunger.
Despite the post-broken-in smoothed out trigger (striker-safety plunger), I just didn't like it... the long take-up, the relatively long reset, the general feel, the fact that it was made of polymer.
I replaced it with a Timney Alpha trigger... huge improvement.
I prefer the Timney Alpha trigger over the Apex Tactical triggers.
Good things! 👍
@@jpg_sig10 Thanks for the reply and suggestions. I tried the Galloway trigger. Didnt like that. No pre travel and very little over travel with an actual increase in pull weight. I took that out, put in the original trigger with an Overwatch kit. Better return spring. Polished safety stop plunger and a polished sear with a 4.3lb sear spring. That brought the avg pull weight back down to an avg of 4lbs. Lots of pre travel still but improved the reset. I will check out the Timney next. Thanks!