Feature History - Russo-Georgian War
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- It is South O-set-e-ah, not South O-sea-she-a
Ur the most underrated youtuber dud
Very slanted and biased maybe you should call it history according to NATO or my NGO boss George Soros. You will lose all credibility with these hit pieces masquerading as history lessons.
You forgot to pronounce the K in Abkhazia & Abkhazians
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This is not just a biased video, this is a total western propaganda.
Not a single mention of Russian peacekeepers who were there on the basis of a UN order(with blue helmets and vests), which Georgian troops began to bomb at night of the Olympics starts(Georgian army attack first).
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Not a single mention about tons of NATO equipment at the Georgian troops, like Humvees and M4(in post-Soviet country)
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Just "EVIL RUSSIANS" bomb South Ossetia, because russians without a reason wanted start a war.
@@alexlmerk3611 you are blinded by Russian propaganda. Russia was holding its tank divisons near the Roki tunnel since 2006 to attack. Georgia wants to move away from Russian influence, and Russia is trying everything in its power to cripple this advance. By the way, those "peacekeepers" were arming Ossetian paramilities with heavy equipment they used to shell Georgian villages. This is a good video.
"The only conventional European war of the 21st century" That didn't age very well...
Only took about half a year before the next one when this was released, and a little under 1.5 years for the one after that.
This decade is truly blessed. It's just a gift that keeps on giving.
“for the moment” safe to say that moment has passed
@@flopsinator5817 what's the first war you're implying happened? Only other 21st Century conventional war in Europe is the current Ukrainian war iirc
@@christopherrodriguez653 The Nagorno Karabakh war. I'm surprised how many people forgot already.
@@flopsinator5817 DAMN, yeah you're right. Perhaps due to it being so short, it didn't feel like it lasted more than a week or two before the armenians were on the backfoot badly.
Funfact: This war was coincidentally predicted by the first Ghost Recon game in 2001
Yes actually, and if I remember they goofed up on maps
The ghosts were actually russian
Still have it downloaded on steam . Great game. Not like the shit they put out now.
@@luckyparrot934 I miss the command function, man. You can wipe out entire map with only your squad.
Tom Clancy games and his novels had a habit of predicting future events.
I remember being in middle school and seeing the headlines on the News saying: "Russian tanks have rolled into Georgia", needless to say I was very confused as to how it was even possible that they had somehow slipped past the Navy and decided to stage an invasion in Georgia. That was the day I learned there was also a country called Georgia!
I think most people that know another Georgia exists are you Georgians in the US
I remember when we got forcefully immigrated to adjara
@@cortex8239 wtf?
@@smuz5391 ?
this comment sums up the US education system pretty well
As a Georgian, people who are from huge rich countries will never be able to understand how hard it is to have one of the strongest countries in the world as your enemy. Not many of us will admit it, but as much as people here hate what Russia did to us, we are also afraid that they will do the same thing to us again. People here rather die then be part of Russia and I don't mean this in a "cool" "badass" way I mean this in a horrific, scary way. If god forbid those two countries cross paths again, that will bring Georgian genocide and I am 100% certain in that. and it may sound stupid and foolish but as irrational as it is, I myself rather die then be a slave of a country that brought me and my serroundings so much pain and suffering.
As a Ukrainian, we're looking at something similar.
@@RIOT690 Absolutely. with everything that has been going on, I pray that both sides will find a way to avoid war because I can't even imagine the fear and the damage... I wish we could do more then verbal support but know that my thoughts and prayers are with all of you during these times. You are not alone in this.
Go russia, go!
@@TsaristCossack Did georgia ever barge into russia, no warning, escorting people out of their homes, etc etc? No? Yeah, that's exactly what i thought
@богатырь Росси́я most sane people would prefer a "western liberal shithole" to whatever you have going on
Gee I wonder why Georgia thrived in the early days of the union it’s almost like they had a man inside
You're kidding, right?
Gilgamesh r/wooooosh
@@TDenterpriser Ever heard of a question being put to make a point?
That are just 'Stalin' for time tough
Asebele Keto ayeeeeeee
I had a discution with an american about the Georgian war, he told me:
"No way russia invaded Georgia, i live in Atlanta, i would know !"
I've got acquaintance, who moved to Sevastopol in Crimea from NY and before doing so she told her friend and response was "In which state it is?"
Wow
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As an American, that doesn't surprise me at all
Only in Murica.
As a Georgian
I'm at least happy someone made a video about my country..
Don't worry qardaş, you will take back what's yours once again
Yeah at least people remeamber we exist
Yea
Is your PFP a sleepover or the holocaust?
@@citizenfoffie7605 I..think it is
The parallels between this and Ukraine right now is insane
Its the exact same tactic, but this time the world actually cares
@@Rguhbuh and still does nothing
@@phlyphan1083 And will forget in a couple of years. And then Putin will attack yet another country. And the west will say, "Putin wouldn't dare attack civilians". And then Putin will bomb hospitals and kindergartens to oblivion. And then the west will be shocked, saying "nobody could have predict this. Now we know what Putin is capable of." And then the country succumbs. And then the west will forget in a couple of years.
@@pasijutaulietuviuesas9174
Nah man chill,nothing is going to happen.In ukraine Putin is getting his ass kicked but even if he makes it capturing Ukraine from now and on he will become weaker and weaker all the time.Russian economy will colapse in no more than one year,if the war in Ukraine will go for a long time which I think that unfortunately it will Putin's army will need to much time to recover and reorganize.
War in ukraine will go in guerrilla tactics and the Russian army will lose its patient.
Also this conflict in Ukraine has revealed the real face of Russia once again,the real face of Russia that has always in its doctrine to invade and conquer smaller countries.
The west was closing one eye all this years and thought that maybe the Russian doctrine would change time by time and slowly become friendly toward the west.
Well that didn't happen the west aloud them in smaller conflicts but the recent one in Ukraine woke them up.
It depends on how things will go in Ukraine but after the recent even it will take at least 20 years for Russia to reestablish ralation with the west.
My bet is that the Russian doctrine will never change,they will always live in the past,will always dream of making the great empire again,anachronistic mentality.
Is no coincidence that another country Serbia in the Balkans has the same doctrine with Russia and there is no coincidence that they are allies.
@@phlyphan1083 probably because they are busting US. strongholds and shouldnt have broken the minsk agreements. Little man keeps crying while no jet with an ukrainian flag flys anymore hahaha, sadclowns
"Old accounts breed new disputes"
-A French proverb
You'd only need to look at the Balkans to know about "old" accounts.
So the Balkans will remain fucked up until a time-traveler goes back in time and Industrialized the Roman Republic under Julius Caesar? (50 BC)
The Balkan areas would be stable and prosperous under a technologically advanced Rome
Islam and Christianity would not exist to turn Eastern Europe and the Middle-East into shitholes
I remember, when I was 10, I was playing in the street and one old woman shouted to us: Russians have captured Gori and now they are coming towards Tbilisi. Oh man, I became so frightened...
Orthodox Georgia forgives, but don't forget. RU
Imagine being an Ossetian boy and being told that Georgians have started shelling Tskhinvali. Must’ve been pretty scary, too
When I was a little boy there was a Caucasus minority family living in my neighborhood in Russia. Legit no one wanted to be friends with them and I felt sorry so I became friends with his family. Great people.
@@TitovIgorBro fairy tales are no longer scary for kids.
@@kartvelianmapping808 especially when the russians surprise attack just after a swift georgian takeover
The difficulty of learning Georgian verb conjugations would make anyone want to declare war on Georgia
As a Russian living in Georgia can confirm
Which Georgian verbs do you know?
@@m.m.3653 none, I've watched videos explaining them and it's very difficult
@@user-sc2vg6vv8v pronounce gvrptskvni
lol being Georgian has its privileges, most people from other countries struggle with the pronunciation of our words, especially verbs. although on the other hand, my accent in every language is above average because of my mother tongue. so don't worry about it too much, you're not the only one, just people interested and trying to learn our language makes me happy! you have my deepest respects!
0:37 first and, for the moment, only Conventional European war of the 21st century... Hello from 2022
The legacy of the Russo-Georgian wars is still very real in Georgia. I visited the country in early February this year.
I heard from locals that there's a nearly abandoned spa town called Tskaltubo close to the town I was visiting. Well, it was not abandoned at all. The giant crumbling hotels house thousands of refugees from Abkhazia who were settled there "temporarily" but ended up living there for decades now. It was really a heartbreaking experience.
I'm Georgian and still see the effects from the war, when I visit a relative there is a School nearby that has been turned into a Permanent Housing from refugees. I can see it out of the apartment building window. There's a different one too less than a hundred meters down and a small gravestone with water coming out with a Georgian soldier's drawing and his name on it.
I just think of a time-travel story!
Rather than fight Russia modern Georgia sends its people, soldiers, equipment and other stuff back in time to 1008 AD!
Medieval Georgia modernizes and conquers its Pagan and Muslim neighbors, the Russian kingdoms as well as Mongolia!
@@christiandauz3742 yea and commit genocide in the name of god . you would think if people can time travel they would provide medicine to those people to fight plague and cholera maybe give them the tech to build dams and produce electricity. but no just give them modern weapons to help them slaughter more people
@@4Before4
The Industrial Revolution and the fact that ALL of the Modern Georgians will be going back in time would prevent that
With Medieval Georgia absorbing Modern Science the people will push for more rights and securities
Plus the Crusades would not happen as Georgia not only eases the burden on the Byzantine Empire but conquers its neighbours becoming a multi-ethnic, multi-religious nation just like Historical Medieval Hungary
@@christiandauz3742 yeah at that time the georgian army would have been commanded by daivd the IV one of the best leaders in history .what world it would be where georgia would stretch from Lisbon to busan
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
When I got this assignment I was hoping there would be more gambling.
Kindly, Shut the fuck up, please?
Ave, true to caesar
Y'know if you were serving, youd probably be halfway to General.
Get fucked
Ppl blame here Ukrain and georgia cause they wanted to join NATO... what do you think why gerogia and ukrain want to join nato?
Russia has a right to ensure territorial security. Why is NATO expanding? Is Ukraine on the Atlantic? Not to mention that various dual citizens hold power in Ukraine. Truly a corrupt wedge territory to give NATO a direct path to Moscow.
@@unatco6554 every country has right to secure its territory. So georgia and ukraine are doing it... if russia would ve been peaceful country nor ukraine or georgia would have thought about joining NATO. Russia have invaded both countries long before NATO even existed so shake your brain, problem is not in NATO problem is in russia
@@nikamikeladze7146 Russia asked to join NATO in 2000 and was rejected. NATO is the problem. Half of the countries in NATO are nowhere near the Atlantic.
@@unatco6554 WTF man? What y mean atlantic? The ocean? Y think that "atlantic" is a problem? Ever read any history about russia or caucasus or eastern europe? Do you think that USA forcing countries to join nato? Maybe yes but eastern european countries willing to join nato not because someone is forcing them, they just want to join because of mtf russia... russia has been rapeing all of its neighbour countires throughout the history.. just do some research.
Where y from?
Putin: 👁👁
The fence looks like its is made to be rolled forward day by day. Every time the camera isn't looking that guy rolls it 1m.
Yes indeed thats the very same thing happening until today. They're slowly moving it more and more onto georgian soil, metre by metre.
Just search for "creeping borders" or something among the lines
Remember on The Grand Tour when the trio went to Georgia and ran into an old mans farm where the Russian fences are located.His land was the pipeline which is why its contested.
I saw the episode and it made me mad. Seeing some guy get pushed around like that sucks hard and he can't do anything about it.
@@minisciencedude The warmongers on both sides (and yes, I mean *both* sides, including Tbilisi, not the usual "Russia bad everyone else good") get their profits anyways. Why would they care for the ordinary folk?
@@ivanskopin7723 Ah yeah the "both sides are warmongers'' argument. What are russian soldiers even doing on another sovereign country's territory ? What "profit'' did Tbilisi get from that war exactly ?
@@user-bt1cl4ex6d I'm not talking about country-level profit, I'm talking about the people who run weapon factories who make money out of every rifle sold.
Regarding your first point, the video clearly states that they were there because of CIS business. It also clearly states that they were kicked out and withdrew from most of Georgia.
But the video *also* conveniently "forgot" to mention that Russian peacekeepers in S. Ossetia and Abkhazia were on a UN-mandated peacekeeping mission.
And you failed to provide evidence as to why one of the sides isn't a warmonger.
I can link you to a EU report (no less) that clearly places the blame for the war on both sides. On Georgia (as firing the first shot at Russian troops) and on Russia (as exploiting the situation to go into Georgia proper).
@@user-bt1cl4ex6d ABkhazia and South Osethia dont want to be in shitty Georgia.
In 1993 the Greek government decided that the Greek minority of Georgia should be evacuated, they did it with the use of a civilian transport ship full of navy special ops dressed as " crew " of the ship
Meanwhile Greek commandos were also sent to Georgia via the Georgian airways unarmed to search and establish contact with the Greeks that wished to be evaluated and Also, if it takes to bribe their way between the Russians and the Georgians to gain safe access to port
At port the captain of the ship had again to bribe the port authorities in order to to make sure that nothing will go wrong during the evacuation
The operation was named " χρυσομαλλο δερας " ( golden fleece )
Interesting, because in Greek Mythology Georgia/Armenia is where Jason and his Argonauts find the Golden Fleece
@@tspoon772 Yes. It was in the kingdom of Tylis, in the shores of Georgia
@@tspoon772 how bright of you to point that out
@@rubenvo3627 shut up
@@tspoon772 indeed the name of the operation was a reference to the argonauts and their journey to black sea, in general Greek conservatives have the tendency to use references to the ancient Greek history/mythology 😉 note that the head of the military part of the operation captain Ntertilis was the son of colonel Ntertilis who had shot to death an innocent bystander during the anti junta riots in 1973 , so in a way ( navy ) captain Ntertilis hoped that he could redeem his family name by organising such a daring operation
Plus the Greeks of black sea believed on a legend that one day " a cretan " will come with a ship to take them to motherland..
By coincidence the civilian head of the operation that Ntertilis was answering to ,was from crete.. and relative to the current prime minister of Greece 😁
'Conventional European War in the 21st century...'
Well....not anymore.
That statement hasn't been true for 2 years now.
"First and so far only conventional 21st century war in europe"
Oh boy reset that clock
You do know Azerbaijan and Armenia went at it before Russia and Ukraine right?
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 actually, they went at it a butt load of times
@@rubieowo That's what I was saying why are you correcting what was already a correct statement?
4:23 and the they started building battle droids
I did a double take at that
Good old Georgia Lucas
CIS > CIS
Roger roger!
@Zachary Durocher in star wars there's a faction called the CIS (Confederacy of independent systems)
ruclips.net/video/KXzIelt75e0/видео.html&ab_channel=LordDaine
POV: watching this while Ukraine is being invaded
how many times do we gotta teach you this lesson old man
@@ChristopherGray00 they shot all ukrainian jets. Whats your point US. invader?
@@rekamud6635 40k Russian casualties and Russian advance almost entirely stopped. What's your point, fascist?
@@stephenjenkins7971 I made a point, you swallowed it up and pulled something out of your butt like every little kid does, grow some hair and piss out of my country
@@stephenjenkins7971 “”””Fascist””””
Do we need to teach you the meaning of “Fascist” for the 109390th time?
"first and for the moment only" aged well
Moment only implies that there is more and it is undeniably the first
The air forces of both sides used mainly SU-25's which were built in Tbilisi Georgia. In fact, the Russian air force bombed the factory in Tbilisi where the SU-25's were built.
That was ironic af. Also, georgian airforce is no more.
Stalking Horse And it results in several friendly fire incident which causes losses of su-25
@@nikirki25 we still have an air-force durring the 2008 war we only lost 3 trainer aircraft most of our air force survived .russia lost more planes
The Su-25 is built in many countries including Georgia and the Russians didn't bomb the factory they bombed the airfield next to it.
Sababugs112 source?
Sorry to be that guy but it’s south Oh-seh-tii-ah, not oh-see-sha.
The first correction is always welcome. It's the people that post it again that are "that guy"
@@FeatureHistory Also couldn't believe the first Ghost Recon game back in 2001 predicted this war.
@@FeatureHistory just in case you didn't know it’s south Oh-seh-tii-ah, not oh-see-sha.
@@FeatureHistorywhy you didn't tell anything about bombing Tshinvali by Georgia in first day of war?
@@bananan7 because he said truth. And this is fact!
This became relevant
Cool. Now it´s no longer the only conventional war in europe in the 21st century. And both wars saw russia as an aggressor hmmmmm
Forgot the Nagorno Karabakh war?
@@flopsinator5817 karabakh isn't really in europe is it? Also it wasn't a full war between the two countries. More of very intense border conflict as all the fighting occured inside of azerbaijani territory as defined by international law.
@@Krasipol I would argue it's still within Europe.
It was also a conventional war, regardless of where the fighting took place.
@@flopsinator5817 i understand where you are coming from! One can certainly see it your way. Doesn't matter. Both wars are/were terrible and definetly more than just skirmishing.
Russia going after the homeland of Uncle Stalin, interesting. Can’t forget about the 2014 Olympics. Russia basically put pressure by selecting Sochi, a city very close to Georgia. And when they won the right to host, Georgians were furious. They imported building material from Abkhazia and accommodated thousands of construction workers in that region. They basically used the Olympics to promote Abkhazia
Damn, I didn’t know about that. That’s really interesting, and a major dick move on Russia’s part.
How did your surgery go, grandson? It's good to see you back on RUclips.
Aren’t you dead?
arent 2 of the kims here supposed to be dead
@@patrickstar1723 Eternal Leader will never perish, Eternal Leader Kim Il Song always keep country safe.
Ah yes, commenters on a premiere.
I see you are all ladies and gentlemen of culture as well.
cringe
6:45 LMAO OF COURSE
The UN: The person at every party you’re at, not doing anything.
me: Alright! a western backed coup to bring about prosperity, freedo-
Feature History: so they put in this pipeline.
Me: Okay, that makes more sense
In what country did western backed coup brought prosperity, freedom? Its all about exploiting other countries for financial gain. Even if Georgia would be in NATO influence Georgian people wouldn't feel a difference
@@cactuslietuva Except for being bombed indiscriminately since an attack on one member is an attack on all. Pretty sure Georgians would notice not having to fear Putler's tanks and bombers.
@@kavky NATO is not one big army. Russian gas still has huge political power over Europe. Russia would simple deny their involvement in Georgia, like they did in Ukraine.
@Optic64654 Yeah, you still would have your companies, banks, territory bought by Western money. The only think EU and Nato gave for my country was ability to emigrate to have better life abroad.
No western backed coup has ever brought prosperity to any country. EVER!
The Russo-Georgian five day war is often one of the most overlooked and yet crucial wars in history, so thank you for making this video! I think an important thing to note is that NATO promised to take Georgia as it's member in the prelude of the war but has yet to fulfill on this promise. Since Russia has a distinguishable lack of soft power it is easy to come to the conclusion that military consequences would be imminent if NATO would follow up on this promise
You think so? I'm not exactly an expert on these matters but I feel like Russia is in no position to declare war on NATO, since I highly doubt China would join in on it's side. Besides the fact that they'd most likely lose, there's also the prospect of nuclear war. I'm not sure Putin would do it.
NATO enlargement has probably reached its limits for the time being. But one day there should be an opportunity Georgia to join.
Other way around. NATO promised Georgia future membership in April then two weeks later Russia opened official relations with the breakaway republics. Two days later a Georgian drone was shot down and the Russians said the Georgians were mobilizing and that they would respond. Russian Troops moved into Abakazia and then withdrew after protests and leaks indicated that the Russians wanted war in August or September. Then in August sepratist militias began shelling Georgian troops and Georgia invaded and Russia invaded as a consequence. The NATO promise was what triggered Russia to act in the first place not the result of the war, but the trigger. As a result they separated the regions fully and made membership much more difficult.
Russia is a paper tiger. NATO really needs to just take the quick cost of a few hundred billions for a war with Russia to see just how weak the Russian military is and bring Russia to heel and humble them. You'd save a lot more money in one big war than continuing to pay tons of money every year tolerating their saber rattling and disruption of the political and economic world. Russia can't back up it's boasts.
That's a great way to get nuked.
The Georgian President Saakashvili pulled a Leopoldo Galtieri, where he thought he had the Americans in his pocket and had freedom of action, but in reality he only had diplomatic support and they were going to hang him out to dry militarily (no huge influx of arms, etc.) once the Russians responded. To the Americans, he was what the Soviets would call a “useful idiot”
Saakashvili defended his own country from Russian intervention. Russia occupied 20% of Georgia ( Abkhazia and so called south ossetia ) in early 90s after Georgia breakaway from Soviet Union. 2008 war was predicted by Saakashvili earlier and he warned west about ongoing Russian intervention. Even Putin said publicly that had plans about Georgia earlier 🤬 Russian intervention always had one goal - blocking Georgia as Gateaway of oil projects and silk road between west and east - which means if this projects work properly Russia's Economy ( Oligarchy ) will fucked up. So Georgia always was right in his fight for Freedom and having world mission to be Gateaway. And it will be sooner as kremlin putler will fall ✊
@@kvari1990 Abkhazia and Ossetia are free from Georgian occupants💕💕 thanks to Russia 👌🙏🙏
@@rrt4511 🔴History knows Georgians as fighters for freedom and defenders of own lands. Georgian's never ever occupied others territory.
🔴 Georgia's land was always occupied by other Imperies for Centuries and all that Imperies falled down. Russia ( Kremlin ) will be fallen soon and Georgia as always will rise again like Phenix.
@@kvari1990 Georgia occupied Abkhazia and Ossetia, and Russia liberated them💕💕💕
@@rrt4511 Russia is an occupier. Where is Russia - where is no freedom and liberation, but only Occupation with death, ruins, genocide, economic disaster and all that Soviet Sh@tty things...
0:37 Aged like milk 🥛 😳
It's a bit of an understatement to say that Feature History is absolutely obsessed with Russian history.
Vajled it gets the views I guess
It's like saying they are obsessed with money: that's their bread and butter.
Its a pretty interesting country my man.
From the russo-scandinavian princes to the current day, one guarantee about russian history is that it doesn't ever get boring.
@@Sabrowsky ты думаешь что я это не понимаю, товарищ?
Russian History in 5 words: And then it got worse.
Good to see another video of FH. It has been a while. Very interesting one about an often forgotten conflict. Cheers!
Georgia picking a fight with Russia was a bit like Mr. Bean picking a fight with Mike Tyson.
we didn’t pick a fight and if we go back in time they betrayed us against turkey we gave them gold(19 century) and they made a deal that they would help us and the deal was official and when they saw the turkish army they got scared and ran away we fought turkish it was like 300 vs 10000 i dont remeber it was something like that and we still won and thats when we started to not trust them
bruh ur making it sound like it was our fault
@@nob0ddy390 according to the eu it was
@@testingmysoup5678 well it's not really that simple, Ukraine is in the same boat rn, and if the ukranian people wouldn't be fightning Russia back right now, Russia would've definitely taken control of it. and after Russia conquered Ukraine, we would be the next one, and then another small country and so on
@@testingmysoup5678 the simple fact is that Putin is a piece of shit dictator who is still in the old times and thinks that he can just do as he pleases
wow, how history repeats itself for the 3rd time with russia.
3rd time?
@@flopsinator5817 Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine
@@flopsinator5817 2nd chechen war, georgia and the 2 ukraine wars.
@@gerindoom You think the Georgian and Ukrainian wars were a repeat of the second Chechen war?
@@flopsinator5817 No but this is his third war for resources or nationality or both. And same nonstop bombardment of civilians.
Good to see my favorite Aussie back
This video didn't even touch on shakasvili eating his tie on live TV 0/10
Or Saakashvilli wanting to jump down from a roof in Kiev. He is really a crazy guy but also funny.
@@cr3amyn3ll66 You mean a muder, who murdered opposition in Georgia.
@@cactuslietuva which were sponsored by russians?😀
@@cactuslietuva ruclips.net/video/JrjHR6ZOHqo/видео.html here you go enjoy
lol
0:36 Yeah.... About that.....
2c4y
This war is eerily being repeated in Ukraine, from the separatist republics to the rolling tanks.
Another great video, coincidentally I was looking into this conflict a little while ago, so it's cool to see a video about it (:
Remember digging out my PS2 to play the intro of ghost recon to see if Tom Clancy had predicted the future lol.
He did !!
This feels oddly familiar.
0:37 ohhhh boy
Another grand performance from the man himself! Brilliantly done!
It's also interesting how the influence of monarchism has had on the country, as the Russian threat grew stronger
Note: Not much of a monarchist myself despite my profile picture
Feature History. If you want to look at what made the textbook for the Invasion of Crimea, you should look at the Moldovan conflict back in the 1990's. It's very interesting and has similar characteristics to the Georgian and Ukrainian conflicts.
Man, this comment aged well!
Guess what brought me here.
Not me for sure
It’s almost scary how similar this is to the The conflict in Ukraine right now.
It's because there using the same tactics as before its always capture what they want back pro independent states and then Peace so they get what they want
Yes. The same in the sense that critical information is left out.
At 6:00, the creator fails to mention the CAUSE for the Russian military movement.
Georgian military did not simply "move in its own territory".
It moved through the towns indiscriminately firing at houses and at anything that moved.
By the time Russia's military mobilized Georgia had killed hundreds if innocent civilians, who were woken out of bed to shelling, and injured thousands.
Search Graham Phillips, you will see footage taken FROM THE GEORGIANS on the day they drove in. It will shock you.
What you are not hearing about the present conflict is that Ukraine has done the same thing to Donbas.
For eight years, Ukraine soldiers have been attacking residents as they sleep or cook their meals. Over 3,000 officially.
Only two days ago, Ukrainian artillery concentrated on a primary school, killing teachers. You won't hear about that, and if you do, they will say it was the other way around.
The footage- raw ground footage - does not lie.
When you see footage saying "Russian shoots Ukrainian"... look at the footage, not the footnote.
90% of pro Ukrainian footage is actually fake. 7% is showing the opposite of what is being described.
Ukraine government have committed horrendous atrocities.
@@adifferentangle7064 fake news u commie lover
@@adifferentangle7064 ah yes 90% is fake, when you see those russian planes bombarding ukranian schools is obviously fake
@@menem2347 As opposed to Ukrainian artillery shelling schools. with confirmed teachers dead, which is verified.
The worst kind of bully is a cry-bully. Hurting people and blaming others.
this event really helps understand the invasion of ukraine now
Its always the same tactics followed by Russia,they will never change.
It's the fault of the west that helped in the early 2000s,they should've left them drowning in their own shit.
Hmmm same steps sorta.
Just well Instead of it being quick it's taken atleast 100 odd days.
This video is all of a sudden popular.
I read on the news that Russian troops had invaded Georgia, and I didn't know at the time that Georgia was also the name of a country. I was living in the state of Arkansas at the time. I was more than a little alarmed.
0:36 This what we call FORESHADOWING
Honestly, a lot of these smaller wars shouldn't be so overlooked.
Many of them hold important lessons for the state of the world currently.
Brown Fox Warrior yeah, overlooked like how there were overlooked the fact that Georgia boombed un-peacekeeper base first at that war.
@@user-ti2hr8iy6i only 5 peacekeepers died in the war and those peacekeepers had violated their terms of neutrality in the past
@@user-ti2hr8iy6i Never said the details were pretty.
God it was so long ago. I remember when this was big news when I was young
This aged well
Funny glance to history. Good show bro. keep doing this fun stuff.
4:25 they are gonna need the 501st for this one
In an episode of Amazon's The Grand Tour, the three presenters were in Georgia to drive some GT cars across and eventually into Azerbaijan. They came across a man who was blocked off from coming back into Georgia because the Russians moved the border while he was asleep at his home (assuming location he now lived in South Ossetia), his farm was in Georgia but he was not allowed to go back to it or he would be arrested by the Russians who presumably moved the border more and more into Georgia
I think "yes minister" called such movement salami tactics. Move the border bit by bit, like slicing salami.
Yeah that happen. But there's still a gate where you can go and out of the border but I heard it's difficult.
@@luisromanlegionaire that type of thing isnt rare in Georgia . Every week someone gets kidnaped and ransomed. Its clear that Ossetia wants us to attack cause then they would have some justification for existing
@@sababugs1125 You already attacked and and shelled their cities for the pure reason of wanting to take over a country that wanted nothing to do with you.
@@vorynrosethorn903 1st Chile has an German military tradition and would want nothing to do with a bunch of Brits with bad teeth lol.
As a Georgian myself, who grew up in Tbilisi during the civil war and being 18 y/o enlisted as a reservist in 2008 Russia invasion, want to draw parallels with Chechen wars and ongoing war with Ukraine - Narrative is always the same.... Smh hope Putin loses war with Ukraine and learn bitter lesson - imperialism is no more viable option for Russia.
Author, I'm very grateful for this video. Thank you.
თავისუფალ და ერთიან საქართველოს გაუმარჯოს!
Слава Україні! Героям слава!
No more ukraine aircraft, no air control, all guns left, many deserters, not opening human corridors to russia and the liberated territories, not disclosing US. Bioweaponprograms like in Ukraine, Government has no education, everyone is a comedian or artist or scriptwriter.
Sounds like a won war, and bad move by the US. to lure countries into war with russia.
as an Abkhazian myself, who grew up in Sukhum hope Georgian government will learn someday a bitter lesson - not to invade Abkhazia and kill your brothers and sisters.
@@PeterGriffin-qe9lu Georgia invaded abkhazia? WTF? you're saying Georgia started war on it's our land?Russians occupied abkhazia and killed Georgian people!!and than Russia also took another Georgian land!(Samachablo)only victim here is Georgia and Georgian people!no one else!
@@PeterGriffin-qe9lu your nationality doesn't even exist. what are you talking about? abkhazia is just an administrative land of georgia, wtf?
@@PeterGriffin-qe9lu ironic talking about killing your brothers and sisters when Abkhazia committed genocide against its majority Georgian population
The intro to this video has aged as a fine cheese
He did say as of rn
He did say as of rn
A couple details I found lacking.
Before the war Russia had made an agreement with Georgia to have peace keepers from Georgia, Russia and North Ossetia in South Ossetia, to help keep the fighting down in response to the civil war escalating causing Georgia to retreat from the area. Also known as the Sochi agreement.
Suffice to say with the past conflicts, the South Ossetians had a greater appreciation of the Russian and North Ossetian peacekeepers than the Georgian peacekeepers which if I remember correctly resulted in the Georgian peacekeepers leaving the area again.
Meanwhile Sakashvili needed to regain those two areas in order to make Georgia's joining of NATO complete as no nation can join NATO while having internal or external territory conflicts. But with a less than willing populace of South Ossetians and Abkhazians the quickest option to do this was through war. And with the Olympics going on in China, and a perceived backing of the US, Sakashvili launched a military operation against the two regions including indescriminate artillery and Aerial bombing, resulting in the deaths of civilians and also Russian peacekeepers. Sakashvili believed that Russia would be too distracted by the Olympics, and afraid of a US response to do anything about his actions.
So the war didn't start because Russia simply moved hundreds of soldiers into South Ossetia, there by "invading Georgia" and Georgia moved soldiers there in an innocent "Response" to secure national sovereignty. Russia was keeping to the agreement signed decades earlier. Maybe escalating or trying to dissuade Sakashvili from trying to retake the area by force I'm not sure. But Sakashvili started the war when he decided he could get away with it.
Out of curiosity, Do you personally believe the Kremlin actually supports Abkhazian and South Ossetian long term independence? if not then what is it you think the Kremlin actually expects to gain here...
@@1882osr
It is largely unclear.
Russia officially supports South Ossetia's and Abkhazia's independence and so far has given me no reason to believe otherwise, it'd be a real stretch to say that Russia supports their independence unconditionally though.
Arguably Russia controls them now with their independence more as a formality than anything else. This is more due to their size, in terms of geography, economy, and military or more accurately lack there of. Given those territories lack of those things their independence is largely dependent on Russia's support, while their economy may or may not require subsidizing their ability to remain independent from Georgia again solely relies on Russia, since no other country in the world I'm aware of at present is willing or capable of doing this.
Russia keeping those two officially independent does a couple of things though nothing spectacular.
It allows Russia the ability to say that they didn't go to war for the simple sake of territorial gain, which for all intents and purposes is true. Since they didn't officially annex those territories, and the 'civil war' that was going on with Georgia was constantly trading crimes, and hatred between the two Russia's intervention and creating a defacto independent states creates a 'enforced' peace of sorts allowing a more secure border, which allows Russia to keep a rather rough and unstable region of the world and it's territory secure, and let's face it, those areas in Russia, Georgia, and surrounding nations, are NOT for the faint of heart.
Plus keeping the two independent allows for some flexibility of options in the future, those territories could be returned to Georgia for example, or they can be annexed at a later time if deemed necessary or if those territories ask for it.
Another such benefit allows Russia to comfortably keep Georgia out of NATO as keeping those territories independent allows for real or perceived ability for Georgia to peacefully regain those territories thereby keeping it in a constant state of 'territorial conflict'. But with Russia in control it allows Russia to control more the when and how it happens if it ever happens.
Since Russia and NATO don't appear to be settling their differences anytime soon, with the US's desire to remain the sole superpower which requires their domination over Russia, and Russia's pride to not allow that to happen, and their ever increasing paranoia that the US is seeking their destruction, and desire to 'break out' of their confinement and interact with the world in a way they feel they're being unjustly inhibited.
All arguments of right or wrong aside as I don't take any arguments of morality when it comes to Geopolitics seriously. Russia can and for now does seem to support those territories independence, long term independence is a questionable concept given that that support will change when the reality, and balance of power in the world changes.
But for sake of argument let's ignore the idea of a potential reality or balance of power change, and just pretend this current set up is going to continue perpetually.
With that being the case I would bet 'Yes' Russia does support South Ossetia's and Abkhazia's long term independence but more because it's prudent in the world's current set up and gives them the desired benefits of keeping NATO at bay in the area rather than for simple moral sake.
But in the end it is possible that Russia could do it for simple morals sake, unlikely, but still possible.
@@Shadoweye12 My god, a well articulated, thought through response that looks at the material factors involved rather than the emotive cases of either side... Miracles do happen!
I must say though I do find it strange seeing your incredibly balanced approach to the motivations behind Kremlin policies a bit jarring alongside that slightly wonky first comment.
I'm not disputing the claims you made originally, just it's interesting how you chose to mention the Georgian bombardment of the respective regions and yet didn't mention the Ossetian bombardments which made up the tit for tat which brought down the peace keeping forces and first ceasefire.
Fundamentally I agree with your reply, it's why elsewhere on this thread I compared the current Kremlin approach to their neighbours as akin to the US's 'Monroe Doctrine' period. However, it's no surprise that I disagree with whether those policies are justified.
You seem far more knowledgeable on this topic though and so I'm curious if you have any theories on why it is that so far the Kremlin has rebuffed attempts at integration from Ossetia. Does it come down to 'keeping up appearances' as you suggest? Is there an element of avoiding becoming tied down or 'spreading too thin' a Russian army that is operating in multiple theatres already? Or is it perhaps something else?
@@1882osr
Glad my reply is so well recieved, given this is youtube, which isn't all that different than facebook when it comes to vitriolic and toxic comment sections, it's nice to see someone who enjoys 'balance' in perspective at least as much as I do.
I'm not an 'expert' if you will, though I do pride myself in being more insightful and analytical than most. Which is why I enjoy balanced and objective, and a variety of views on things because they often provide insight into things and in ways that I alone could not find.
And while I agree that my first comment was rather 'one sided' it was more in response to the video that presented whether intentionally or unintentionally the idea that Russia sending in troops to 'repair railroads' but violated Georgian sovereignty (that was more or less implied), was at the very least inaccurate. And the simplification of Georgia's response to 'Georgia disagreed' more or less inspired my response to take a rather oppositional position. Not in an attempt to 'pick a side' as it were, but simply to expand details where details mattered, and push back against the notion that Russia did this purely out of some form of expansionist aggression. While that's not entirely wrong, I don't believe it to be really accurate either.
But to get to your main question, which is a very good one by the way. I'm afraid I don't have a clear answer on that, sadly I find it to be a common thing to find when it comes to geopolitics in general. Shit in geopolitics never likes being clear and concise.
But to break it down, simply put Russia has never really had an ability to project 'soft power' really well, some would argue not well at all. So keeping up appearances does make sense, but expending so much political capital, along with financial, and military capital to create this set up and even more so to maintain it, can't simply just be for appearances. They obviously have to have more than that.
An element of not being tied down or being spread too thin is also a possibility, though I would argue that the Russian military isn't spread that thin at all. While they are involved in some shape or form in Georgia, Ukraine, and Syria, two of those three are right on or very near Russia's borders which doesn't allow for much 'spreading' of Russia's military forces.
The forces around Georgia's break away regions are not immense, and the forces sent to fight Georgia to my knowledge never exceeded the regional units to begin with, which is the Southern Military District, and even then didn't require all of them.
And Russian forces are not really committed in Ukraine, while its fair to argue that some are most likely operating in Ukraine, and the Russian Government is certainly supplying military aid to the Donbass, and Lughansk. But Russia doesn't have significant numbers dedicated there, and I know this because Ukraine still has a standing Army. Ukraine is so rife with Corruption, and it's military has enough dividing loyalties between ethnicities, and ideologies that it makes the Grand Canyon look like childs play, Russia could have easily wiped out the Ukrainian Army if it had so desired, and likely without much effort.
And Syria doesn't have that much Russian military assets in it at least compared to what Russia's total military assets are. And while its difficult to find a list of assets and soldier numbers that are stationed in Syria. If I remember correctly the number of assets never really exceeded 24 aircraft of various types, and never exceeded 5000 troops.
So spreading thin doesn't seem like a likely motivation to me, though could be a 'grain of sand amongst a heap' kind of deal.
In my personal opinion, Russia is doing this more out of an immense sense of insecurity more than anything else.
While Russia is the perpetrator of various crimes and brutalities through out history including but not limited to the Soviet Union, and the Russian Empire. Russia itself has been on the receiving end of immense brutality as well, among them is the Nazi Invasion of the Soviet Union, a war which cost the Soviet Union at least 27 Million lives. I can't remember if that's just civilians, or if it includes military dead, but regardless 27 Million is a HUGE number.
To put that into perspective for the US its like losing the entire City of New York and then some, or the vast majority of the population of California.
And that was from a single war, the US by comparison lost a little over 400K throughout that entire war. The US lost roughly 70times less people over that war than the Soviet Union did. And that's mostly due to the fact that the war never really took place on the US, outside of Hawaii, and some small skirmishes in Alaska of course.
Such an immense loss of life from a single war due to the brutality of the invading nation, and in no small part Stalins purging of the military, and lack of proper preparedness to fight the war. Would undoubtedly leave a huge scar on the country.
And Russia still suffers from this to this day, the brutality of an outside invader makes Russians and their leaders rather distrustful of others that they don't control. And the population of Russia holds a mix of skepticism and admiration of their government almost to the point of fault. While it sounds like a contradiction it really isn't.
So to summarize what is turning into a much larger piece than I intended, I'm sorry about that. I believe Russia is doing this with the break away regions mostly out of a sense of immense insecurity because of past scars and inherent distrust. Keeping the break away regions independent keeps NATO away and adds a buffer, even if a small one between Russia and a NATO friendly country. And all other reasons only add to their resolve to keep doing it.
Shadoweye12 i must say your argument is pretty intresting. But i must say what i think was going on. By russian troops going to abkhasia and and samachablo(south ossetia) they were building bases and they were attacking civilians but they were smart about it and tried to keep those attacks as quiet as possible so nobody could know. Then as the attacks continued putin tricked saakasvili into bombing tskinvali. Russias plan was going smoothly and georgia made this war official. Then you know the rest we lost the war and russia recognized abkhasia and south ossetia. Russians are clearly lying about abkhasias and south ossetia, they are saying that they are independent and tricking west into thinking they georgia started the war. Eu also said that georgia was the real aggresor. Well I believe they said it so they wouldnt lose those resources coming from russia
2020. Armenian-Azerbaijani war.
2022. Russo-Ukrainian war.
Buckle up, shits about to get spicy in this century too!
Chechen war in Caucasus in 2000, Russian seperatist war in eastern Ukraine in 2014, Azerbaijan and Armenian war 2020.....
Chinese Civil War 2024?!??
Somebody needs to plug Putin
That’s okay for Georgians… history counts more than 25 century, 19 century like a christians. We have survived from many imperies, we will survive from russian imperialism also. We will wait untill evil impery will fall and after that im sure we all the neighbors of russia gonna have bright future.
Shouldnt be bitches to the USA then
In 2011 the European Union Monitoring Mission in Georgia stated that:
"The EU sponsored Independent International Fact-Finding Mission on the Conflict in Georgia in its report presented to the parties to the conflict, and to the Council of the European Union, the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe and the United Nations mentioned that the open hostilities began with a large-scale Georgian military operation against the town of Tskhinvali and the surrounding areas, launched in the night of 7 to 8 August 2008. Operations started with a massive Georgian artillery attack”.
This means that even the EU, despite being aligned with NATO (US) and against Russia, do recognise that the 2008 war was started by Georgia.
To this day, Georgia still claims they´re the victims of an agression started by Russia.
Yes we are victim of the wars in the 90s
war started long before 2008
tiny hippo Georgian armed forces started military operation against separatist militias in its own territory. The country just can’t start war in it’s own borders. It is Russian propaganda that Georgian army killed civilians, you can’t find any evidence for that, but there is a video evidence how Russian backed separatists are torturing Georgian soldier Giorgi Antsukhelidze and how Russian air forces are bombing Georgian civilians. Even today they are moving borders and kidnapping civilians every month.
@@guramdolidze7021 "The country just can’t start war in it’s own borders." Of course it can, it's called civil war, maybe this is a new concept for you, but Georgia started a civil war and Russia ended it in just 5 days, maybe you wanted a long war like those in the 90s?
The war of 2008 and other conflicts that preceded it in this region, are obvious acts of Russian imperialism. Anyone with a brain can understand that.
This reminds me of the DCS campaign “The Georgian War” for various aircraft DLCs.
love this channel so well done
Oooof that opening aged soooo well.
BTW the Abkhazian Kingdom which over time got incorporated in the Georgian one also had an ethnically Georgian majority, it can easily be seen with the centuries old churches and art, the people who call themselves Abkhaz now were settled in those territories were one of the northern caucasus tribes during the rule of the russian empire, even during the war they were a minority in the region, if not for the russian army that rebellion wouldnt have any chances and likely wouldnt have happened and no sweat about your pronounciation of south ossetia because its also a russian concept there were no 2 ossetias, ossetia historically was always beyond the georgian border to the north, the region was called south ossetia by the russians to sow confusion and in the future give claim to their cause if the need ever arose, the actual name of the region was historically samachablo. Russia did this all over georgia during the imperial and soviet rule, pockets of resettled minorities all over the place near borders, and they did the same when they resettled some georgians in other lands, it was a strategy bc these strange people in a strange land were always a foothold/strongpoint for the central russian government not the conquered nationalities in the region.
Are you drunk?
@@sontatanga54 Are you stupid? I don't know about Russia and strategy, but about Abkhazians he is 100% correct. Same with "South Ossetia" which is part of Georgia historically called as Samachablo.
Also when he talked about the genocide in Abkhazia, he said that Georgians were the ones who did it. Ofcourse it is vice versa, 350 000 ethnically Georgians left their home in Abkhazia and had to move to other places of Georgia. Not all of them made it and some of them were killed by so called ''rebels''. I have seen a video where they cut the throat of a 80 years old woman. And Russia is responsible for every man killed in that war. In 2008 war, in this video there were no words said about the Ossetians shelling Georgian villages and killing soldiers and police officers and only then Georgia crossed the border and attacked them.
@@streampunk6932 You giving name to regions doesnt change the fact they are independent
@@sontatanga54 No shit they are independent, because Russia said so or Nauru? Those separatists can go and be independent somewhere else.
As an Aussie who's spent time in Georgia (and Abkhazia), I'm cringing so hard at your pronunciation.
That's the Australian accent for you though, haha.
Also, thanks for covering this region and it's history - I think it's a shame how overlooked and under represented it is in educational media.
How is the country tourist wise? Sights? Things to do?
I've always wanted to see the Caucasus mountains! :')
@@solosyiem Go and visit Georgia, this country is worth seeing. It has long history and monuments. There is wonderful nature and sites in Georgia. You will definitely like local food and people.
Sure thing. It is the top on my bucket list. Going as soon as I have enough money, or maybe a honeymoon destination. Haha, till then! :D
Who cares?
@@solosyiem please dont come to tbilisi. for fucks sake dont come to tbilisi a third of the entire country is in this tiny ass city dont come to tbilisi man.
1:50 actualy south ossetia was never country or duchy
Yeah Ive heard about this war, as far as I know those belong to Georgia before being occupied, correct me if I'm wrong
@@bxdxdudie8131 Its complicated, the majority ethnicity of those regions consider themselves Russian and wanted to be part of Russia but territorially they were part of Georgia really its hard to solve this without a war.
@@NapoleonBonaparde this lands was always georgian
@@bxdxdudie8131 this lands always belong to georgians ossetians started live there after georgians and took homes from georgians
@@shota2820 Seems that they didn't give a fuck
Who's here after Ukriane invasion
This Game is crazy the Russian DLC keeps expanding and expanding
Georgia: I broke with you Russia!
Russia: so you have chosen...death!
They had it pretty good especially in Soviet times. Now they are just a pimple in the Caucus, popped by a world power every once in a while.
Whoever liked your stupid comment you can go fuckyourselves!
@@luisromanlegionaire Bullshit, Georgia was occupied by soviet union and never wanted to be part of it. There just was not any other choice, entire Eastern Europe was in the same situation
@@TemoMachitidze You guys loved it and all the old timers lament the good old days of the soviet union. Now like I said you are just a caucus pimple popped once in a while by a world power.
@@luisromanlegionaire lol, isn't it hilarious that u r telling me what I loved and what I don't :D
There was no good days with soviet union for Georgians, read more about Georgian protests against soviet union and u'll understand. If don't that still doesn't change facts.
The war was very tragic, I’m Georgian myself
They also managed to shut down all of Georgia’s internet during the invasion
I really like when you do these unknown modern conflicts. I actually learned about Georgia when this war happened on news, I was only six years old then.
It is so biased. And after that, you, westerners, call everyone brainwashed😂😂😂
@@bonzo1402 just checking if you are still alive Ivan
@@dominiksoukal alive and enjoying missiles flying over Hochland🥰
0:34 That aged well
Omg i love this! Thanks
there were no 2 ossetias, ossetia historically was always beyond the Georgian, historically it is Samachablo
shen cargi straki
@@konstantinpliev1552 Tu xumroba iko gamacine, tu ara mainc gamacine.
Konstantin Pliev Чито Грито Ше Клео
@@stopit3869 როგორ ტირიან ოსები , ძან უჭირთ იმის აღიარება რომ ისტორიულად მის მიწა-წყალზე არ იმყოფებიან ....
@@davidthebuilder8702 facts
Just when I think hes out, he pulls me back in.
feature I love your videos about caucasia.I am circassian from turkey you should make a video about circassian genocide and caucasian war 1800s because nobody mentioned about circassians genocide until now. thank you and best regard for you.
Today it's Ukraine, tomorrow's gonna be Georgia again... Im scared
Scared of what ? Time to return to mother Russia.
@@stinyg corny ahh
I would love for you to make more use of maps when talking about factions and such. Im having a much easier time memorizing areas of a country rather than their flags
when this went down in 2008 and I read the headline I had to double take cause I thought they did mean the state lol
0:40 laughs in Armenian and Azeri.
damn man, it's heartbreaking to remember. right in the feels
There is no "south osetia " soviets created this name. real name of region is samachablo or cxinvali region
I guess its time to talk in comments during the premire
Nice video, as a georgian myself, I was honestly surprised with the lack of inaccuracies. Only one comment though. Abkhazia wasn't Absorbed by Georgia in the middle ages. Abkhazia in the middle ages was the name of a georgian kingdom that contained in its borders what is now western Georgia, by all accounts the dominant culture/language in both secular and nonsecular institutions being georgian. The united Kingdom of Georgia basically came into being via a royal succession which united abkhazia with another georgian state.
The kingdom got the name abkhazia, because it began from the region of abkhazia and slowly took over western georgia. All of this happened, because the old western georgian state of lazica(abkhazia being one of its successor states) collapsed in the early middle ages and because abkhazia managed to stay safe during the arab invasions, because of its location.
So Abkhazians are ethnically Georgians?
@@ginilorenz6837 That's the only small portion of Abkhazia's population who are Apsua, majority were always Georgians and even still are despite ethnic cleansing of Georgians. Why do you think Apsua separatists and Russians preferred war over peaceful referendum? Because they had no chance! Majority were Georgians, 30, 000 Georgians were murdered and 300, 000 have been kicked out from their homes.. but still Apsua is not a majority after all that. Most of the people there have Georgian surnames. It was always Georgian since the ancient times from Colchis.
@@ginilorenz6837 you have no clue what you're talking about. Everything you said is just bullcrap
@@ginilorenz6837 we dont want abkhazia for beautiful nature or good beaches, people were kicked out of their homes many died defending, many died fleeing.. we cant just ingnore these people
@@ginilorenz6837 those 25 years havent been sugar for georgia and its not that easy to give out house to ~280k ppl and tell them to forget injustice. Giving up on abkhazia and samachablo could potentially bring stability to georgian which looking at ukraine I highly doubt, but to do that u have to dishonor sacrifice of those who fought for them.. and ye even if u look at it purely pragmatically, without guarantees from nato first its silly to give up on those territories
Sounds familiar in 2023..
0:40 For the Moment
This war had another consequence, often overlooked. It saw the end of a consetrated greek presence in the Caucasus region. Abkhazia, in particular had about 50.000 greeks in the 20th century. After this war though, the greeks were either forced into choosing sides or into becoming refugees (Operation Chrisomallo Deras). There were among them people that survived four different ethnic cleasings (1. Turkey 1919, 2. USSR 1944, 3. Central Asian States : Post USSR collapse, 4. Georgians- Abkhazians : This war)
«On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the town of Tskhinvali» Independent International Fact-Finding Mission on the Conflict in Georgia
In june and july russian “peacekeepers” started building bases in south ossetia and some times would start shooting civilians in nearby villages. Saakashvili had no choice but to start invasion in south ossetia to regain its control. Russia saw the opportunity and declared war on georgia
Geo Mapper
Omg
No logics because there live people that suffer in war conflict of South Ossetia and they have weapon and you think they will not shoot back?
Besides Saakashvili wanted to join the NATO but Georgia have rebellion regions and can’t do it until get control of them.
@@casusbelli8678 I said june AND july, and saakashvili started firing in august. see the diffrence
Geo Mapper
No documents? Only words...
You think preparation for army operation take 1-2 month? No. Minimum of time it’s 3-6 month. So Georgians started to prepare earlier then russians peacemakers. Army need time for logistics and preparations.
And using artillery systems on peacefull town it’s not the same that usin it on army. see the difference.
I've visited Georgia a few years ago and heard a lot about these events from various cab drivers (every other person who owns a car in Georgia moonlights as a cabbie, it seems). What impressed me the most was that the Georgians seemed to blame Sakashvili himself for the war and still love Russia, and many complained to me that ever since that war they lost their visa-free entry rights to Russia.
I was conversing with them in Russian (most middle-aged Georgians know Russian), so who knows if that "affected" their opinions.
Politics aside, Georgia is an amazing vacation destination. Friendliest people on Earth, with rich wine, hearty food and scenic mountains.
I hope a day comes and those soviet born middle-aged Georgians will be no more. They are the people who embarass the whole country.
@@giorgisulukhia1574 They're also the friendliest folks I've met in my life.
Tal Sheynkman sure friendly but also extremely uneducated and USSR loving so
anyone else here to get a better understanding of russia v ukraine?
Yeah, try searching up the Foundation of Geopolitics written by some Russian dude in 1997, literally a fanfiction that seems influence their current doctrine.