Robin Shute tells us how he chose the engine for his next Pikes Peak racer

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  • Опубликовано: 24 сен 2024
  • 4x Pikes Peak International Hill Climb winner, Robin Shute goes into detail explaining how he chose the 1000hp, 70kg engine that will go into his next Hill Climb monster.
    Prototipo are the legends behind the engine:
    www.prototipo....
    HP Academy Podcast with Simon Longdill of Prototipo:
    www.hpacademy....
    The new racer is being created with the intent to go and break the overall record at the Pikes Peak mountain. This is a multi-part series going into the design, engineering and building details, sharing with us what it takes to make what could be the fastest race car ever to exist on a circuit or hill climb.
    Check us out on Instagram:
    @robin.shute
    @thesendyclub
    More thanks to:
    Aerodynamic simulation made easy:
    airshaper.com/
    and also:
    Alcon Brakes
    www.alcon.co.uk/
    Mountune USA
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    BorgWarner Turbos
    www.borgwarner....
    Motorsports Electronics
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    Sadev Transmissions
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Комментарии • 90

  • @HillClimbMonsters
    @HillClimbMonsters 6 часов назад +33

    Gotta love the whole talk about "sensible" right after detailing absurd stats 😄

    • @AlteredCarbons
      @AlteredCarbons 5 часов назад +3

      its always nice catching someone you fangirl over in the wild =)

    • @newagetemplar6100
      @newagetemplar6100 2 часа назад

      I’m currently building an e36 GTR silhouette with double wishbone suspension. Should make some decent footage for hillclimb monsters in 2025 .
      I plan to have it in thunder saloons and possibly Quick 60 if all goes to plan. ( similar to James clays / Georg Plasa) .

  • @electric_boogaloo496
    @electric_boogaloo496 6 часов назад +10

    Man, those are mind blowing numbers! When you stated the target weight, performance and rpms, I had a feeling it was going to be a motorcycle based V8 turbo.
    I own a sportsbike, and have ridden the S1000RR. I still feel grateful that we are able to buy a essentially 1:1 hp:kg vehicle that is affordable, road legal, reliable enough to be ridden everyday and has reasonable enough maintenance intervals and costs.

  • @OwenFrey-p7p
    @OwenFrey-p7p 5 часов назад +16

    Using the Motec software with Assetto Corsa is such a great tool! I'm currently trying to build my proficiency in AiM's RaceStudio software, but both Motec and AiM software can work with AC, and do essentially the same thing. I'm pretty sure you need to use mods to work with the Motec software, but AiM will work "out of the box". For anybody interested in learning how to do race engineering, this is one of the easiest ways to get into it and build some valuable skills. And using it as a driver-in-the-loop simulator is cool, I'm glad to hear that it correlates pretty well. I guess I need to start learning how to input my designs into assetto corsa.
    Also, this build just keeps getting crazier while being one of the most grounded and thought out series I've seen in a long time.

    • @ChadOHara98
      @ChadOHara98 3 часа назад +1

      I was about to go to bed. Now I'm not. Wtf

  • @dmcharlestt4945
    @dmcharlestt4945 Час назад +2

    This has gotta be my favorite upcoming build. The ideas and reasoning are simple and brilliant

  • @TheLastTater
    @TheLastTater 3 часа назад +1

    I really hope to see the details of the build! Really exciting stuff

  • @joppepp
    @joppepp Час назад +1

    Love the series and I’m really excited about the engine choice coming from motorcycle racing. Looking forward to follow along on the journey!

  • @oli_onion
    @oli_onion Час назад

    Glad to see synergy getting some more mainstream love.

  • @brianbob7514
    @brianbob7514 2 часа назад +3

    Oh man, was hoping for a rotary :)

  • @cademckee7276
    @cademckee7276 5 часов назад +3

    Hope one day that Assetto Corsa mod can be released. Would be awesome to drive this car in a sim

  • @H3110NU
    @H3110NU 2 часа назад +4

    The K48 twin turbo by Neutron Engines was what I was hoping for. But I don’t know when that will actually exist.

    • @Programentalist
      @Programentalist 24 минуты назад

      I was thinking about that one too, but I think it'd be way too heavy. Even a single K24 is already at his target weight.

  • @fredio54
    @fredio54 4 часа назад +1

    A friend of mine works at Prototipo and I have toured their factory. I will hit him up to see what I can help with on yours, if anything, or at least see it in person before it ships :-) neat.

  • @langsor
    @langsor 4 часа назад

    Thank you! You are very generous with your knowledge and experience. Even though the scope of what you're doing is far beyond what I hope to do, I learn a lot just following your journey with your new build.

  • @gpegasusm
    @gpegasusm 6 часов назад +3

    I would love a video on building custom models in AC.
    Or if you know of existing sources for that info.
    But I’m interested in the nuances of building models for the purpose of Driver-in-the-loop type sim testing, which is probably not a common topic in AC car model building tutorials elsewhere.

  • @TheOystei
    @TheOystei 6 часов назад +3

    There are drifters that spray nitrous the whole time, but their runtime is also limited.

  • @jimcurt99
    @jimcurt99 6 часов назад +1

    one of one- hope it works- wish you the best

  • @Shadowboost
    @Shadowboost 6 часов назад +1

    Been waiting for this video, hell yeah!!!

  • @syntropy3020
    @syntropy3020 5 часов назад +2

    ha, I was right! Great to hear you are using Prototipo's S1000rr based Synergy v8. Def the engine I would use. I dream of making a 3L V12 engine based off these heads.

    • @Shadowboost
      @Shadowboost 5 часов назад

      I would just go full GMA Cosworth at that point. Heavy, but probably takes boost no problem. That engine is rated for well over 50k miles

    • @syntropy3020
      @syntropy3020 2 часа назад

      @@Shadowboost I'd be doing it just for the love of make my own thing.

  • @davidjw14
    @davidjw14 5 часов назад

    Robin I really appreciate the thinking that is going into this project and your willingness to share your insights. And in my own small way I would like to support the project. Are you going to sell Merch (I liked the T shirt you wore in part one ) or start a Patreon?

  • @jiminycricket9877
    @jiminycricket9877 Час назад

    Good lad, man after my own heart. Struggles I’ve had with managers wanting plans to the Nth degree when you just need to get on with it!! I also do appreciate a bit of analogue, conceptual design. I, personally, hate computers. A necessary evil!
    Engine choice, spot on.
    Keep up the good work.

  • @racebiketuner
    @racebiketuner 4 часа назад

    Thanks for another great vid. I'm already looking forward to the next one!

  • @JessSimpson1313
    @JessSimpson1313 6 часов назад

    Love these insights into how you built the race car.

  • @Rockyfall15
    @Rockyfall15 4 часа назад +1

    Love these videos. Keep going

  • @jordanives8731
    @jordanives8731 5 часов назад +1

    you should 100% share the wolf's assetto build one day

  • @christophercarrera7486
    @christophercarrera7486 5 часов назад

    thank you a lot for answering my question, I definitely related to what you said and still think its very helpful to atleast know im not alone or terrible at managing my projects🤣🤣I feel slow when i dont hit my target deadlines but you're right, I just need to be hard on myself with a healthy mindset!

  • @user-nr4pk2pw6q
    @user-nr4pk2pw6q 6 часов назад +4

    rev-x oil supplement to prevent corrosion when running methanol

    • @ruger8412
      @ruger8412 3 часа назад +2

      Steve Morris swears by revX

  • @eliotmansfield
    @eliotmansfield 43 минуты назад

    looking forward to this

  • @mccanlessdesign
    @mccanlessdesign 6 часов назад

    Exciting! Watching!

  • @cademckee7276
    @cademckee7276 5 часов назад +2

    I’m curious if you looked at the Italtecnica 3.0L Pre Chamber V6. It would probably have been out of the price range but it did also seem to have been a engine that fit your criteria (light, high power, reliable) as it was intended for Le Mans Hypercar when they still planned for over 1000hp in those cars.

    • @Shadowboost
      @Shadowboost 5 часов назад +1

      Revs too low, requiring a much bigger gearbox. Also, but sure if they ever designed it for a true 1000 hp. Hypercar class is 650 right now and with their extra headroom, it was designed for 750ish with quite high complexity/exotic cost

    • @cademckee7276
      @cademckee7276 3 часа назад +1

      @@Shadowboost The original Hypercar ruleset had higher power levels and higher weights around 850hp.

  • @on_wheels_80
    @on_wheels_80 15 минут назад

    Mike Patey comes to mind regarding high altitudes and NOS.

  • @skeetamacgyver1821
    @skeetamacgyver1821 Час назад

    Sid you consider an alloy in line 6 cylinder like BMW’s S58 with a larger turbo and dry sump? Must weigh more than 100kg but bot much and well good for 1,000hp. More reliable than a 2.6litre bike based V8. Perfect primary and secondary balance. You could even use nitrous on the top of the mountain to keep the power up.

  • @petebrooks1223
    @petebrooks1223 Час назад

    great vid. Have you chatted with Alan Millyard yet?

  • @NULL1F13R
    @NULL1F13R 6 часов назад

    Accessible and sensible technology: AWA composites ❤

  • @Dave-but-why
    @Dave-but-why 59 минут назад

    Should have hit up AER in the UK....

  • @Amy-dq2lg
    @Amy-dq2lg 4 часа назад

    Have you considered charge cooling via water/meth injection in addition to intercoolers, as I understand it it's relatively light for the intake cooling it provides

  • @olddynamite
    @olddynamite Час назад

    Ryan Falconer sells old Indycar v8s from the 90s. Chevy branded but I think Ilmor built them.

  • @GM55_Manilock
    @GM55_Manilock Час назад

    Imagine using an unrestricted super formula or super gt engine, or even better combining 2 super GT engines together.

  • @Sugar_K
    @Sugar_K 2 часа назад

    billet 13b semi PP would hit the targets for weight and power.. if you can afford it

  • @franmcgowan4068
    @franmcgowan4068 47 минут назад

    The Synergy V8 has been in Reg Cooke's land speed cars.

  • @GunganWorks
    @GunganWorks 5 часов назад +1

    Would this car be a good place to use Subaru’s rocket anti-lag system?

  • @Shadowboost
    @Shadowboost 5 часов назад

    I'm guessing that hypercar manufacturer is Czinger

  • @internalcombustion8749
    @internalcombustion8749 5 часов назад +4

    Curious your opinions about unsprung aerodynamics? Considering how bumpy the mountain is it seems worthwhile.

    • @larsmurdochkalsta8808
      @larsmurdochkalsta8808 4 часа назад

      I can't say I know his opinion, but generally the problem seems to be that significant unsprung aero leads to excessive unsprung mass.
      Additionally, you can get a lot of the advantages of unsprung aero with slightly more sophisticated suspension. Particularly what I believe is called mode decoupling. Witch works that all four tires being pushed down equally are affected by a different spring rate than any one or two tires.
      Or maybe I'm completely wrong and his next car will be a torpedo with giant wings where the control arms should be

  • @jasondansie9970
    @jasondansie9970 Час назад

    your thoughts on "rocket" anti lag ?

  • @Dave-but-why
    @Dave-but-why 53 минуты назад

    Bike stuff is just mega though... But can't dismiss aer and there experience in designing turbo endurance engines...
    The "Mazda" based Daytona prototype does like 950 unrestricted....sub 20 psi ...

  • @endy2629
    @endy2629 4 часа назад

    Curious if you ever considered any turbine engines, eg a turboshaft out of a helicopter. From some quick googling they don't seem to sit too far off 1000hp 100kg, and be quite reliable, although it seems like throttle response and varying speed in general would be very problematic.
    As always, loved the video, I've already learnt so much from what you have shared :)

    • @electric_boogaloo496
      @electric_boogaloo496 2 часа назад

      Throttle response would be horrible. In theory, a racing CVT might just make it work. But I don't think anyone has made a racing CVT since Williams F1 team.

  • @tetepeb
    @tetepeb 3 часа назад

    Just curious are you familiar with Elmer Racing and their Thor engine?

  • @xexecuterxx
    @xexecuterxx Час назад

    the synergy 2k is 92kg NA, no? with boost it should be at least 150??

  • @The11901
    @The11901 2 часа назад

    Would nitromethane be an option? Or at least why not run a blend to reduce oxygen requirements?

  • @newagetemplar6100
    @newagetemplar6100 Час назад

    So many factors to consider, literally thousands of variables. Apart from 2D cad drawings for laser cut parts all my designs are in my head and physical
    Mockup/ prototypes .
    Kinda old school but works for me in a fashion. 😵‍💫.
    Integration is the key for lightweight, along with simplicity and a dash of thinking out the box .
    Nice video and all interesting stuff. 👍🇬🇧

  • @nicholast.6636
    @nicholast.6636 5 часов назад +3

    What about a very large spring
    Glorified wind up car

  • @fredygump5578
    @fredygump5578 6 часов назад +9

    I gotta ask.....wouldn't a 4-rotor rotary engine also match these requirements? I suppose the time required to build and prove out such an engine would be a problem for the program, but it would be cool to see and hear!

    • @MuchoBoosto7
      @MuchoBoosto7 5 часов назад +6

      Rob Dahm collab incoming....? ; )

    • @Shadowboost
      @Shadowboost 5 часов назад +1

      Nope. Rotary is VERY heavy in comparison. Think double the weight

    • @fredygump5578
      @fredygump5578 4 часа назад

      @@Shadowboost Oh... I thought rotarys are light weight compared to a lot of car engines? But I don't know the actual weight. I guess he is talking a lot about motorcyle derived engines....

    • @Shadowboost
      @Shadowboost 4 часа назад

      @@fredygump5578 rotaries are heavy for car engines, comparatively. The 787B 4 rotor is 400 pounds and that's naturally aspirated without forced induction. For comparison, the Porsche 962 engine that it was competing against weighed 385 pounds and that was with turbos, more power under the curve and still lighter

    • @ruger8412
      @ruger8412 3 часа назад +1

      Exstreamly unefficient you'll have to replace the weight in fuel.

  • @GM55_Manilock
    @GM55_Manilock Час назад

    How would a cotswold or judd v8 or maybe a super gt gt500 or Super Formula engine but tuned

  • @brianbob7514
    @brianbob7514 2 часа назад

    I wonder is that 4 cylinder Elmer racing engine could have worked

  • @samuelzackrisson8865
    @samuelzackrisson8865 40 минут назад

    Next step is 1kw per pound

  • @jackweta
    @jackweta 2 часа назад +1

    Go kiwi

  • @ruger8412
    @ruger8412 3 часа назад

    Get a 3000GT VR4 motor change it from twins to quad turbocharged.

    • @xexecuterxx
      @xexecuterxx 2 часа назад

      a 3000gt vr4 motor is way heavier than 100 kg, and more turbos doesnt make more power

  • @Moneygrip
    @Moneygrip 5 часов назад

    Robin have you ever considered a turboed nascar v8? The dodge r5/p7s are cheaper and rev to 9k 358cui 800-900hp n/a 550ft/lbs of torque

    • @cameratool
      @cameratool 5 часов назад +2

      What would that weigh?

    • @Moneygrip
      @Moneygrip 5 часов назад +3

      @@cameratool so i asked this with out knowing myself. After a quick google search they weigh fully dressed besides the dry sump pump 435lbs. A touch too heavy whoopsy

    • @Shadowboost
      @Shadowboost 5 часов назад

      ​@@Moneygrip not too mention the size. The Ford open wheel guys already run engines like NASCAR. He covered it in the discussion about N/A

  • @larsmurdochkalsta8808
    @larsmurdochkalsta8808 6 часов назад

    Might be because I'm American but when I hear 1-1 I'm thinking horsepower and pounds which is a little harder lol

    • @phillglasson6357
      @phillglasson6357 6 часов назад +1

      1:1 hp/lb is precisely what Robin is shooting for.

    • @larsmurdochkalsta8808
      @larsmurdochkalsta8808 5 часов назад +1

      @@phillglasson6357 yep, I kind of figured that's where he was going with it and I have since seen.
      Didn't articulate my point well, I've always been confused as to why people would say 1-1 hp to kg because that feels like a really unnecessary way to mix units, that mostly exists for marketing claims on supercars.

  • @Pseudomeaningful
    @Pseudomeaningful 15 минут назад

    How about 1hp/1lb at the top of the mountain ? Aim big 😂

  • @xexecuterxx
    @xexecuterxx 2 часа назад

    how was the k20 only a 300 mile engine at 650? turbo k20s make 1000 hp in street cars

    • @MrSnakedHD
      @MrSnakedHD Час назад +1

      You can’t compare a street car that will do a few pulls on the highway to an engine that will go at full tilt all 300 miles of it. Put that engine in a hillclimb car and it will grenade itself in no time.
      That’s the difference between hobbyist/enthusiast and professional motorsports grade.

  • @TurboTyler
    @TurboTyler Час назад

    Nitromethane?

  • @janusmarais7580
    @janusmarais7580 2 часа назад +2

    1:20 next year the car is going to have a megawatt per gram

  • @MrBubmer
    @MrBubmer Час назад

    Hear me out, instead of a V8 from bike engines get a v12 from the i6 honda bike.
    Will it meet the weight and power targets? Unlikely
    Will it be affordable and manageable
    Definitely not
    BUUUUT
    Will you be the coolest team on the mountain?
    Absolutely