Elvin Jones was such a unique drummer. He would transition erratically between long, fluid, and legato sections and quiet sections with a lot of negative space, but for as erratic as it was, it was always musical. Elvin was a true storyteller who always kept you excited about what he was going to do next.
beautifully said, Sir ... if you can, please search here for Elvin Jones Jan Hammer "Destiny" ... another aspect of Elvin's genius, this time in a more electric context
Just when I thought this can't get any better, Max Roach walked onstage. Just when I thought this can't get any better, Art Blakey walked onstage. Just when I thought this can't any better, they started playing together. The crappy quality of this video actually helps capture the sense of history. Perfect!
I'll name the participants of this drum "battle"(more like a sporting event for these gentlemen!)The Maestro(Elvin), the Killer(Max) and finally the Crazy(Art,naturally!) The Maestro & the Killer lay down some impressive drumming..., but "Crazy" here just goes all out! (We were blessed by/ these guys musicianship in our lifetime!)
@@jordanposnik6663No way. Max and Elvin were a lot more adventurous and had more creative use of space, which is indicative of them spearheading the free sound of the 60s. Blakey was amazing in his fundamentals however.
Same with Ginger Baker. Both Bonham and Baker had deeply influenced jazz roots and they actually blended techniques of jazz and rock even if they were just playing solid rock music.
Same with Ginger Baker. Both Bonham and Baker had deeply influenced jazz roots and they actually blended techniques of jazz and rock even if they were just playing solid rock music. Same thing goes for Hendrix’s drummer Mitch Mitchell
@@russelltoffoli444 Ive been drumming for 50 years and reading youtube comments since the 60s and this is my first time hearing this idea, this concept. I find it not only insightful but also funny. It also helps me to feel superior even though my preferred genre is less profitable/ popular than others
Amazing to watch this! Thank you for sharing this footage its awesome! Takes me back to the 1970' village Gate as a young teenage watching Art Blakey & the Jazz messengers! First Class Jazz & incredible drumming! Hey what Jamakin' Art!
Of these 3 absolute giants, Max Roach is definitely my favorite, but it'd be really hard to say who won this drum battle. Each was remarkable in his own way.
Roach had a melodic approach to drum breaks and accompaniment. Jones was a monster driving a band. Blakey was the only real soloist. Few long drum solos make sense; they're mostly pyrotechnics.
Such a special treat, that had to be, for anyone fortunate enough to have actually been there! At first I thought that Art was just there on his name, until he started smoking in the middle. Hands down winner in my opine. Would have loved it if Philly Joe was with them also.
That was my impression, and with no disrespect to anyone else. He was definitely feeling it that day. Reminded me a lot of Billy with Mahavishnu in terms of taking charge.
1) Virtuosic artists throughout history have always tended to use competition to push their limits. If you get into a cutting contest with your peers, it's safe to assume that the natural desire to win will be at least a small motivating factor in your playing. 2) It's fun for us as an audience to contextualize the performance this way. It adds drama and urges us to act actively as judges as opposed to passively as bystanders. 3) As you can see, they are playing their pieces separately, not together; which makes it hard to refer to this as a colab. except for in a very loose sense of the word.
@@mthomas1973 of the three, elvin is the least 'straight ahead'. he comes out on top imo in terms of phrasing, inventiveness and texture. not to discount max or art, but they had playing solos similar to these, the same licks, for decades
I think this was from The Maltings - Adleburgh Festival Hall, Suffolk. The BBC had several trie to manufacture videotape rather than buy American Ampex, and this may be the cause of the quality degeneration.
came in here expecting Elvin to kinda win this even though they are all fckin legends, but i’ll be damned if Art Bu Blakey didn’t just lowkey eviscerate them… once again yea it’s not a competition but it is quite literally a drum battle so that’s just my opinion
@@JesseOnThaDrums It's a mixture of singles, doubles, and paradiddles. It depends which phrase. A lot of Max's fastest stuff was indeed all singles, but he had a lot of different patterns that used different sticking.
It's weird... If I try to hear the unspoken beats, I can hear the rhythm. But, If I try to just listen, it kinda clashes with my sense of rhythm, breakbeat or not. I feel stupid, lol, but, sometimes I can hear something close to rhythmic progression, other times, i just hear incomprehensible noise.
@@luisn642 The only difference is that Elvin started playing much later. Art, Max and Elvin are the holy trinity of jazz drummers. They gave so much to the art and all had unique styles and sounds. Give me those three over Buddy Rich any day. They are full of dynamics, melody and musicality. Not just showing off. You see how much space they leave. Buddy was great, but just filled space with 32nd and 64th notes. Sometime one note means everything!
@@goesjem the machine gun buddy was mainly in short clips on tv show. In his own stuff that was quite different. Later on he did, similar to Elvin, some abstract solos , including some entirely in Match grip ! As opposite to the popular opinion.
@Andy Butler Baker overrated? He created the rock drum solo and pioneered afrobeat music, just to name some of his contributions. Playing rolls and paradiddles at 250 bpm doesn't necessarily make you a legend. Baker was the Cream drummer for barely 4 years, his career lasted almost 50 years. Listen to "Sunrise on the Sufferbus" by Masters of Reality and maybe you'll realize how amazing Baker was.
At the risk of being ridiculed, I can honestly write that while there is no denying their superb technique, I didn't like any of them in this video. I couldn't tsp my feet to this kind of drumming and if I can't do that, then its just noise. It don't mean a thing if it ain't gogt that swing. That's a fact.
I love watching Max Roach play. He almost looks like a chef preparing a meal.
Elvin Jones was such a unique drummer. He would transition erratically between long, fluid, and legato sections and quiet sections with a lot of negative space, but for as erratic as it was, it was always musical. Elvin was a true storyteller who always kept you excited about what he was going to do next.
beautifully said, Sir ... if you can, please search here for Elvin Jones Jan Hammer "Destiny" ... another aspect of Elvin's genius, this time in a more electric context
Just when I thought this can't get any better, Max Roach walked onstage. Just when I thought this can't get any better, Art Blakey walked onstage. Just when I thought this can't any better, they started playing together.
The crappy quality of this video actually helps capture the sense of history. Perfect!
Well said!
THIS WAS NOT A BATTLE. IT WAS A SUMMIT MEETING, PURE AND NOT SIMPLE!!!. SUPERB.
Oh the timing!!!
Oh the stamina!!!
Oh the power!!!
I'll name the participants of this drum "battle"(more like a sporting event for these gentlemen!)The Maestro(Elvin), the Killer(Max) and finally the Crazy(Art,naturally!) The Maestro & the Killer lay down some impressive drumming..., but "Crazy" here just goes all out! (We were blessed by/ these guys musicianship in our lifetime!)
All three have such a recognizable style that you could guess who is who with your eyes closed
The Holy Trinity of jazz percussion.
Phenomenal artists and what a gem of a recording.
I was fortunate to see Elvin on his 70th birthday show and Max Roach in Seattle. Class acts ...
All these guys are from the same era but have such different approaches. They utilise the same rudiments but have their own distinctive sound.
アートブレイキーのドラミングになぜか涙がとまらない。テクニック云々のレベルじゃない。魂を感じるから。残念ながら生で見た事ないが私にとっては世界一のドラマーです。何となく和太鼓に通じるものを感じます。そう言えばあなたは日本が好きでしたね.奥さんも日本人だとか。孤児を引き取る優しさを忘れません
i love how confident art blakey is. he doesnt even need to start heavy, he knows he's king
He blew Max and Elvin out of the water
@@jordanposnik6663 as a king does
@@jordanposnik6663No way. Max and Elvin were a lot more adventurous and had more creative use of space, which is indicative of them spearheading the free sound of the 60s. Blakey was amazing in his fundamentals however.
We can see so much love and respect between them and for the art of drummung and jazz.
Elvin, Max, and Art taking everyone to school... best school ever. ❤
Man listen to how much Bonham was influenced by Blakey. So many early rock drummers had such a heavy jazz influence.
Same with Ginger Baker. Both Bonham and Baker had deeply influenced jazz roots and they actually blended techniques of jazz and rock even if they were just playing solid rock music.
Same with Ginger Baker. Both Bonham and Baker had deeply influenced jazz roots and they actually blended techniques of jazz and rock even if they were just playing solid rock music. Same thing goes for Hendrix’s drummer Mitch Mitchell
I agree, Barry Barlow of Jethro Tull is about 10 times better then John Bonham, and Roach is about 50 times better then John Bonham
@@meyou-dv8nsbarry barlow as good as he isn’t, isnt as good as bonham tbh. but max roach ofc would be even bonham would agree himself
My God, this is great.
How do such wonders even exist in the universe!!!!🤯🤯🤯🤯🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
all three so distinct and unique
The Holy Trinity itself
That was awesome, thanks for sharing!
Those cymbals sound amazing
Three “winners,” not one.
Amazing.
Notice to young drummers: they created more magic using 4 piece drum kits than many drummers do with big drum kits.
sick observation!
If you can’t play what is the use of 27 drums you only need one to be able to play.
wow this has never been said before
@@russelltoffoli444 Ive been drumming for 50 years and reading youtube comments since the 60s and this is my first time hearing this idea, this concept. I find it not only insightful but also funny. It also helps me to feel superior even though my preferred genre is less profitable/ popular than others
Junior Brown’s drummer was terrific using just one drum.
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This is like if Hendrix, Gilmour and Page had a guitar battle. The amount of influence in that room is incalculable.
Amazing to watch this!
Thank you for sharing this footage its awesome!
Takes me back to the 1970' village Gate as a young teenage watching Art Blakey & the Jazz
messengers! First Class Jazz & incredible drumming!
Hey what Jamakin' Art!
You can see/hear the progression of jazz drumming watching this. Pretty cool.
Of these 3 absolute giants, Max Roach is definitely my favorite, but it'd be really hard to say who won this drum battle. Each was remarkable in his own way.
I saw and listened in stunned silence to Mr. Art Blakey in the West Village in the Middle Seventies.
Tks. much.
Max roach is my favorite jazz drummer
The other 'holy trinity' of jazz drummers
Cool
Roach had a melodic approach to drum breaks and accompaniment. Jones was a monster driving a band. Blakey was the only real soloist. Few long drum solos make sense; they're mostly pyrotechnics.
Three masters.
And that folks is who taught GINGER BAKER.......
They don't do drum solos, they tell stories.
Yes! ✊🏼🥁
Such a special treat, that had to be, for anyone fortunate enough to have actually been there!
At first I thought that Art was just there on his name, until he started smoking in the middle. Hands down winner in my opine.
Would have loved it if Philly Joe was with them also.
Seems earlier than 1968. Happy Birthday Elvin!
I agree!
dherz108 ...1968!!!
Max is KING, hands down.😁
Art Blakey all day long...pure rhythm
Max Roach: Carved from Granite! What they do on Mt. Olympus...
Max gets my vote on this one
Hey another cellist that loves max roach??
Pocket Max
They are 3 giants and Elvin is my favorite ever. But Bu killed this one hands down.
I'd say Blakey walked away with this one. He just had more rhythmic energy. All three were amazing, though.
Quite Right, Alf a life time Messengers fan
Hi hat and bass makes things at time and rhythmic
That was my impression, and with no disrespect to anyone else. He was definitely feeling it that day. Reminded me a lot of Billy with Mahavishnu in terms of taking charge.
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Was this recorded at Snape Maltings in Suffolk for the BBC? I think I was there!
EL CIRCO
😀💙🌱🥀
Max roach
Elvin seemed to be phoning it in, tho…Max really cut them
Elvin Jones #1
"Know thy drum kit" Psalm's 7/8th...
6:27 that legendary press roll
Elvin for ever
And why do they insist on calling musical collaborations a “drum battle”?
1) Virtuosic artists throughout history have always tended to use competition to push their limits. If you get into a cutting contest with your peers, it's safe to assume that the natural desire to win will be at least a small motivating factor in your playing.
2) It's fun for us as an audience to contextualize the performance this way. It adds drama and urges us to act actively as judges as opposed to passively as bystanders.
3) As you can see, they are playing their pieces separately, not together; which makes it hard to refer to this as a colab. except for in a very loose sense of the word.
@@inerstate8 Thanks! I’ll,remember to add “asking rhetorically” in the future. 🤫
elvin jones oozing collaborative vibes at 2:40
0:00
Mr clean.
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They are all great, but Elvin Jones never lost a drum battle.
From the sounds of it here, he was the one with the least musical performance and imagination
@@mthomas1973 of the three, elvin is the least 'straight ahead'. he comes out on top imo in terms of phrasing, inventiveness and texture. not to discount max or art, but they had playing solos similar to these, the same licks, for decades
BLUEPLANETJAZZ
...According to you.
@@0SW13 ...Stop!
Until he met art lol
Elvin Jones ftw.
These lucky people were treated to an extraordinary feast of drumming.
Fast forward to 2:00 to save watching some drunk, falling asleep at the kit!
Elvin was really ahead.... not technically speaking.... but with the drum solo concept in itself. Few noticed
Wow
I think this was from The Maltings - Adleburgh Festival Hall, Suffolk. The BBC had several trie to manufacture videotape rather than buy American Ampex, and this may be the cause of the quality degeneration.
art blakey was ascending
Elvin J all the way.
came in here expecting Elvin to kinda win this even though they are all fckin legends, but i’ll be damned if Art Bu Blakey didn’t just lowkey eviscerate them… once again yea it’s not a competition but it is quite literally a drum battle so that’s just my opinion
2nd guy, that's pretty impressive if that was all single strokes
Its doubles
@@JesseOnThaDrums It's a mixture of singles, doubles, and paradiddles. It depends which phrase. A lot of Max's fastest stuff was indeed all singles, but he had a lot of different patterns that used different sticking.
someone needs to clean up this print! repost it...what you don,t need 3 bass drums and 15 other drums?
Traditional way of holding the sticks
They all rocked before there was rock. You can hear much they influenced the later generations.
It's weird... If I try to hear the unspoken beats, I can hear the rhythm. But, If I try to just listen, it kinda clashes with my sense of rhythm, breakbeat or not. I feel stupid, lol, but, sometimes I can hear something close to rhythmic progression, other times, i just hear incomprehensible noise.
Drum solos dont have to follow a beat
THE REAL BATTLE WAS BETWEEN MAX ROACH vs BUDDY RICH THEY WERE 2 OF THE FASTEST DRUMMERS IN THE WORLD
Max sits down and in 10 seconds owns Elvin.
Max Roach's drumming is magnificent, but here his polite was gone wild, he didn't wait till Elvin stop his solo. That's horrible :(
It seems to me that Elvin was winding down so Max could come in. Three of my favorite drummers. Thanks for posting.
@michael Evans ...Correct!
they all look like toy drum sets compared to what's used today
😂 they do!!! Just goes to show, you don't need those big kits on order to play great!!!
Suit and tie is better for performances. Sixties brought in bad habits.Still good playing all around
Musical drums. How it should be.
Elvin Jones is out of his League. He's from a different era of drumming then Max and Blakey. That's how come he was made to go first.
What do you mean? Max Roach was born only three years before Elvin. It’s not the era, just the style.
@@luisn642 The only difference is that Elvin started playing much later. Art, Max and Elvin are the holy trinity of jazz drummers. They gave so much to the art and all had unique styles and sounds. Give me those three over Buddy Rich any day. They are full of dynamics, melody and musicality. Not just showing off. You see how much space they leave. Buddy was great, but just filled space with 32nd and 64th notes. Sometime one note means everything!
@@goesjem the machine gun buddy was mainly in short clips on tv show.
In his own stuff that was quite different.
Later on he did, similar to Elvin, some abstract solos , including some entirely in Match grip ! As opposite to the popular opinion.
@@goesjem also he s doing not at all busy in the album with Allah rakkha
Wow....had always been a huge max roach fan but blakey destroyed it.
Art has more texture and purpose....max concentrates on speed and power only.
Art Blakey walks onstage... John Bonham 👂
Elgin Jones. Stamp collecting in his future. Art Blakey better. Max Roach…I feel sorry for the audience Max. Lol
Buddy…god!!!!!!
I think: respect, they made the way (but… overtaken drumming, some modern drummer makes music even in solo, not just drumming)
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a lot of this i didn't like. but there were some good parts like then the third guy went on stage, he had a pretty good start.
Ginger took on Art And Elvin.who does that and Survived? Ginger
@Andy Butler Baker overrated? He created the rock drum solo and pioneered afrobeat music, just to name some of his contributions. Playing rolls and paradiddles at 250 bpm doesn't necessarily make you a legend. Baker was the Cream drummer for barely 4 years, his career lasted almost 50 years. Listen to "Sunrise on the Sufferbus" by Masters of Reality and maybe you'll realize how amazing Baker was.
At the risk of being ridiculed, I can honestly write that while there is no denying their superb technique, I didn't like any of them in this video. I couldn't tsp my feet to this kind of drumming and if I can't do that, then its just noise. It don't mean a thing if it ain't gogt that swing. That's a fact.
No it merely shows your narrow understanding of black classical music
Jazz drummer's do more with less...by having more talent too start with...
Elvin Jones is mediocre at best. He is not creative whatsoever and boring too.
Normie
??? go listen to any of his music lmao your ears are the issue not his playing
Go back to blast beats
u talkin about me 😳
You re kidding, right?