Building A Router table - Sauter Shop Router lift the verdict
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Building A Router table - Sauter Shop Router lift the verdict
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I am in the process of building a new router table, Sauter Shop contacted me to see If I would be interested in looking at their products.
This is part 3 in a three-part series that looks at
• Building a simple project
• Key features and functions
• Do I buy or return the system
Part 1 in the series will look at the equipment, discuss its features and then give an initial impression.
Part2 will then install the equipment in my workbench
Part 3 will put it through its paces to see how it actually performs
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Hi All, so the final part in the mini series draws to a close. So the big question - do I buy or return ?
Send it back Andy...its CRAP.... Seriously I said you was keeping it. What a lovely bit of kit and what a great workbench you have...nice one.
I’m with you Paul, but I have thrown the boxes away now, so I better keep it.
Need to get a move on now and complete the bench - the CNC arrives in 4 weeks and still have to build a cabinet to put it in.
So much to do and so little time.
Cheers
Andy
Just watched your series Andy. As always, very thorough and informative. Great choice of demo project in this one! Thing of beauty that tilting lift. Been impressed with the plate I got too. Added a link to your 1st in the series to my vid description. All the best mate. Stew.
Cheers Stew,
Agree really great gear - I was keeping my eye for your review, must have missed it. Can you drop me the link so I can tag it in the notes.
Hope all is well, see the channel is growing nicely.
Cheers
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafterAw..Cheers mate. Been a while coming has my vid. Not only flat out with work but had a house move beginning of the month too. Finally uploaded it late last night.👍 ruclips.net/video/X0Cg7n2PcAg/видео.html
After watching this i now appreciate how wonderful the incra fence system is. Your fence requires lot of adjustments.
The Incra is in a different league, so not really a fair comparison. I wanted to show a more affordable solution on this system.
You will see in a future video that I have fitted my Incra fence to the table.
Awesome.
Andy
"Lock it down, quick. 5." That did give me a giggle :)
Superb in depth review of the product. The timing of this couldn't have been any better! Well done for putting all this together, Andy. It's made my mind up on the router and lift.
Ever since I saw GuysWoodshop use a massive old chamfer bit for his 45 bevels, I've done the same on veneered MDF. Occasionally the material's too thick for the router bit, I'm assuming this set up would be able to solve that with a beast of a straight bit installed.
Great series of vids!
Hi Harry,
Some time a tool just surprises me, especially when it is quality. Makes the entire process a pleasure. So I was made up when the number I wanted appeared on the dial. Simple pleasures.
You raise a good point, I dusted off my school boy maths....
I we had router bit 57mm long, 12.7 mm diameter (that was the longest I could find from Whiteside). And we set a 45degree angle on the router.
Then
COS45 = 57/h (where he would be the height of the cut.
Then h = 0.5 * 57 so 28.75
Then add the radius of the bit around 6
That give us a board thickness of around 34mm
Not sure what depth you get on a 45degree bit, but that seems pretty good to me.
Also my maths could be wrong :-)
Cheers
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter I'm pretty sure that's more than I get on my 45 bit so another positive to the Sauter system. Good skills there working that out, Andy :)
Thanks again for putting this series together. I'm waiting on a previous order from Sautershop coming through, but the router and lift combo is definitely next on the list!
That's a sweet setup Andy...
Thanks Mark,
Yes it came out really well.
Andy
That fence seems so clumsy to move back and forth, get square, and lock in place. I was thinking that it would stay square on its own and then have an easier way to adjust back and forth, especially for that price.
Hi,
It’s that bolt I mentioned in the earlier videos, keeps sticking. I will fix that in the next few days - but wanted to show it as it came.
All fences of this design would use a similar system so we have the same challenges. You have to move up a step to the precision fences. This is a good mid range fence. In most situations, the fence doesn’t need to be square to the router bit, it’s only when you use in combination with mitre gauges you care.
Cheers
Andy
Use the dog holes to make it square
2 years have passed. Can you do a longterm review of this product.
Good idea, yes will do it will be an interesting view.
Cheers
Andy
Great job going through all the details and setups. Enjoyed it! Question: why not use a 45° chamfer bit to do the miters? Wouldn't there be less variance, rather than pivoting the router itself?
You can do sure, but you have to buy an extra bit :-)
Is there an advantage to doing it one way vs the other (all bits aside)?
And don’t forget this has multiple angles not just 45. Also you can use a straight bit at any angle, so think about an angled dado that will have a flat piece of wood inserted so the wood come out of a side panel at a set angle.
Or think about the end of a babies cradle, where you have the ends of two pieces of wood coming together at an angle and then make box joints on that angle.
The ability to angle the router gives so much flexibility, 45 degree angles are only the start of the journey.
Cheers
Andy
Sorry didn’t actually answer the question. To be honest there would no real difference if using a 45 degree buy or using the pivot on the router. If the only outcome was a 45 degree mitre.
I was interested to see if the pivot held its position given the size and wait of the router. But it turned into a nine issue.
Bang on precision.
Cheers
Andy
Hi, So we reach the final video in our review of the Sauter Shop router table system. So do I buy or return.........
Mate, these videos are really clear and you clearly know what you're doing, I've just found your page thanks to your MFT 3 video, but the fact that all the thumbnails for your videos are almost the same is really confusing. I was intrigued to see what system you were building and have an idea from the images from the video page and I just found the thing instantly confusing. I know it sounds lazy but that's just the ruthless attention market place that has evolved on youtube (even if in reality it was like ten seconds.) I just wanted to let you know as your content is insanely professional and your setup is very impressive, but your video landing page isn't doing you any favors. Hope you're good, cheers.
Hi Thomas,
Really good input, thank you. I must confess I don’t think I have ever visited my ‘page’ I don’t even have a welcome video. Perhaps I am missing a trick....
I do play with the thumbnails now and then, the latest version with the picture and title was aimed at providing a bit more information on the content. But I never completed updating the back catalogue. So I get what you are saying.
I will have a look and see what I can do to improve.
Cheers
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter Hi Andy, thanks for your response.
Something to think about might be that the vast majority of people finding your channel will be like me: someone who has searched something specific, in my case MFT3, they've enjoyed your video and then will be looking to see if there are more videos worth checking out, or if the channel is worth subscribing to. They will then probably click on the video landing page and you have a short amount of time to capture their attention with interesting titles/thumbnail images that show the most interesting part of the video, so you're wasting a little bit of time/attention span by having the title of the video in the thumbnail as that's already in bold underneath the image.
One more little thing, white text on turquoise is really hard to read, particularly in small, that's why so many youtube channels use bold outlines. Anyway, I hope you find this useful. Your channel is great. At the moment I've just got a domino and I'm having trouble trying to get my head around doing odd angles, so a video with any advice/jigs for that would be welcomed. Cheers
Thank you for taking the time to provide this feedback, I honestly hadn’t thought about it.
I’ll get cracking and change some of the more recent videos, I do want to keep some brand consistency across the thumbnails. But I am sure I can improve things.
Thank you again, as a thank you I will put your request on the backlog of future video.
How to make compound joints with the Domino. I can see the thumbnail now, green background, light green text and a small picture of a domino. See nailed it.....
Cheers
Andy
Yeah!
LoL, every time.
Love the workbench series!! Been working my way through it sorry I hadn't replied back to your email yet thank you!
Hey no problems,
If you could be so kind, could you leave a review over on the website, under the course page on the store.
Cheers
Andy
its nice to see a workshop that isnt bloody huge like all these americans have and their huge garages. i work out of a single garage and its very tight at times. all these bench dog type tools look a great way to minimise space but they are all so expensive :(
Hi,
Thank you, it’s amazing what you can fit into a small shop. So long as you have a workflow, storage and options you can build some great stuff.
The budget is an interesting idea - I may do a video on what would I buy, and what would I spend if I started again in a small shop.
Cheers
Andy
I know th video is a couple of years old sautershop now makes a lift without the tilt funktion but with a build in dustextraction box would you choose that over this one? I'm building a router table in the near future
Hi,
To be honest I don’t use the tilt function much, the only time tend to be when I am making mitre joints. And I could use a 45degree bit for that.
However, I miss the dust collection capabilities of a dust box. So doing it again, I would opt for superior dust collection over the the tilt.
In fact I just had a look at the option you mentioned, and I am pretty tempted to place an order.
Hope that helps
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter
Thanks that's exactly the answer I need I will go with the standard fence and the bug router with dust extraction then. And make the miters on my ks60
Have a nice Christmas .
Bjørn
Are you going to use an Incra fence system with this router lift/plate so you reduce setup times? Why or why not? (perhaps other than the added space you would need to fit an LS system in your workshop)
Yes,
I am going to use the Incra system. In fact I will be using both,
The Incra will sit on the other MFT, plate all ready made and used. This gives me precision work and joinery.
The other fence gives me speed and keeps the MFT clear. So horses for courses and I have the beat of both.
I will be making a video on building a ‘speed plate’ that allows you to quickly add a device to your MFT using the 20mm holes.
Cheers
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter I appreciate the feedback. Sounds terrific, looking forward to seeing what you have cooked up next. 👍🏼
what can you create with a tilting function?
Hi,
That is a good question, pretty much anything that needs an angle cut.
45 degree mitre are the obvious cut, but combine with a mitre gauge you can now make compound cuts.
I am still finding new applications.
Regards
Andy
Hi Andy, thank you so much for this review. I ordered the whole set and added item WX-WR525 , digital height measure.Need your advice : what should I do now with my so called cms unit toy? However i will keep my LS25, love so much the accuracy on both the festool cs50 and the router setup.Can’t wait for the speed plate !
Hi,
Sounds great, I am sure you will love it as much as I do.
Now don’t get me wrong, the CMS is a good system and I have made so many things on it. But this is in a different league.
I am actually keeping my CMS for a bit longer, the simple reason is I also have the TS55 module, for the odd time I need a table saw.
I will probably build a mobile base for it and perhaps find a second hand TS55 that can live in it. The router module and extension table will probably make an appearance on eBay along with the MFT tables Sinai can claw back some of that investment (probably pay fir the TS55)
The LS is definitely staying in my shop. I will create a video on that and show you my solution. Super simple, super accurate and super cheap.
Let me know how you get on.
Cheers
Andy
And you are saying "Sautershop" like a German. If you practice you might even get it the Bavarian way:)
I had to ask the folks at Sautershop how to pronounce it. They said, say it like ‘router’ shop.
If you watch some of the videos I still call it ‘Sauter Store’ and only realise in the edit :-)
I am not even going to attempt the Bavarian way.
Regards
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter Very hard the Bavarian way, I could not do it and I lived 10 years in Munich:)
What happens with your incra fence 🤷🏼♂️
Hi,
I have made a ‘speed plate’ that stances it to my workbench. So it is still in use.
I wanted to show the full Sauter system in these videos so added a more traditional fence than the Incra.
The Incra fence is a staple in my shop so will still be used.
Cheers
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter thanks Andy I would buy also the sauter ol 3.0 and the incra ls super fence bud about the Corona I could not buy the incra fence it's not available in Germany and I am from Austria so I hope it will be this year
Cheers
Marcus
Hi,
I can honestly say that the Incra fence is o W if the best things I have ever purchased in the shop.
Coupling that with the sauter lift and router makes a very nice system.
Well worth holding out for.
Andy
Thanks for the video(s). Just registered on your site to look at your courses. A quick question about this video - or two infact - can you mount the MFT panel at 90degrees and use your Incra LS, and if so, why consider the fence from Sauter?
Hi Mark,
I wanted to show a complete install for those who didn’t have the Incra.
I though long and hard about mounting the insert at 90 degrees for exactly the reasons you say.
In the end I have made a bracket that will quickly mount the Incra to the other MFT. So I have the flexibility of both, standard fence for quick projects such as this one. Incra fence for more precision and joinery.
I am still trying to get my head around using the Incra with an angled bit - so the decision may bite me at some point.
But the cunning plan is to make and insert in the insert so the router plate effectively becomes square. Then I can mount it any which way.
But I’ll leave that for now, as it may never be an issue.
And welcome to the web site, great to have you on board.
Cheers
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter Thanks Andy. Really appreciate the thoughtful reply. Gives me quite a bit to think about. I've a Dewalt 54V table saw to fit into mine alongside a router/lift when I get round to making it, so any suggestions on that front in future projects will be greatly appreciated. Meanwhile, I shall have to start on the courses! Cheers for the inspiration.
I think you could drop in a table saw module, but if you had the space I would be tempted to build a small mobile base for it, so the saw surface is the same height as the bench. Then you can use the bench as an outfeed table.
That’s pretty much what I am going to do with the Festool CMS - keep my eyes open for a second hand TS55 and have it set up as a permanent mobile table saw.
Cheers
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter Thanks Andy. I am limited by space, so that's actually a very good idea. Would be good if both the main bench and mobile unit were both on levelling casters too - my floor isn't perfectly even.