Can we stop with the body language analysis stuff? It's hogwash psuedoscience and cheapens your journalistic integrity. I know you need filler for some segments and it's entertaining, but surely we can find some other content.
I'm sorry but that woman knows nothing about CSA I've counselled many many adults that never told any adults about the abuse happening to them under the same roof as the mother by the father or step parent I've spoken to mums who have never had an idea that their child is being abused under their own roof!!!
@@carolinanavarro9076PLEASE don't say child porn it's child abuse images. Children can't consent to pictures and videos adults can and that's pornography
@@tylersimmons2686 I agree, we can all see with our own eyes and can judge pretty well when someone is lying or bending the truth, and nobody is right every time, that’s what the police are for.
If it's rape, it should never be called sex no matter the age of the victim. But to say this about a thirteen year old girl who was a victim of sexual assault from the time she was eleven years old is disgusting. It's vile and dehumanising and invalidating.
@@j4kgang921 the little girl was only 12 so no matter how you try to word it in CAPITAL LETTERS they were not having sex the LITTLE GIRL WAS BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED 😠
@@j4kgang921you out of your mind!? So, it matters whether she was screaming and fighting back, or laying there quietly the whole time?! Are you kidding me?! She was a CHILD!! AND THAT IS HER DAUGHTER! She should be screaming at the top of her lungs that he _R@PED_ her baby girl! That's the ONLY thing that should be coming out of her mouth. My god, people like you terrify me.
Agreed.... I also completely disagree with her analysis of their body language. The Mom doesn't appear upset to me at all. The BF had the sad voice and was wiping his eyes but if you zoom in, there is not a single tear showing in his eyes. Completely fake! You would think that a "professional" would see that immediately.
Umm excuse me, is that lady out of her mind?!?? “They had sex!” SHE WAS RAPED! This poor child was raped! For her to refer to the act as sex is vile. Completely disgusting!
Im soooo sick of these " live in boyfriends sexually abusing and murdering these kids " When are the Mother's going to be Charged with their Responsibility of Keeping their kids safe ???
@catsanctuary5604 Exactly! Sacrificing the well being and safety of her kid for some roll over penis. She needs to be charged immediately. It's no money that would allow me to expose my kids to that.
I agree. These mothers should be charged too. But the District Attorneys always give these women immunity to testify. The mother knew, she should be charged
@@RepentfollowJesus exactly, now I’m not saying that she wasn’t involved, but he could’ve totally targeted her because she was so naïve and ditsy just to get to her daughter. My parents didn’t know either until I told them when I was an adult.
As the father of an almost 13 year-old girl, this case hits harder than others. As men, it's our job to protect our household, to show our sons how they are supposed to treat women and show our daughters the standard for how they should expect to be treated by men. The easiest way to model this behavior is how we treat their mother. I'm truly disgusted that this little girl never had a chance in life. It's just not fair and it's a story that is all too common. May everyone who failed Madeline be held accountable, here and in any hereafter.
Thank you so much for setting a great example for our children. We need more Men like you in this world. Whom share the same attributes and dedication as you do, for our future men. We need more MEN to understand that their presence is the main dynamic for our families to succeed. We need our men back!
Your good Father. My Father was an abuser in 1930,40s50s60s70s never got caught and he was a youth leader/children care officer/social worker. I was best not abused but watch it first hand Darling Madeline's suffering will have been a torcher for her. I have never recovered from my experience 💔
My Mother knew. She would say she didn't. But she was physically abusive to me long before she found her pedophile husband. My stepfather. I was abused for 7 yrs by him. Finally, an old man from a church who rented to my mother called DHS and said he believed i was being harmed. He had no clue what he did. He was shocked to find out the horror that was my childhood and he believed God told him to fight for me. So many souls saw my body broken and soul depleted they did nothing and if anyone noticed I was moved fast. My heart breaks for her. The people who want pedophilia to be accepted in society have NO idea what survivors have truly survived. They couldn't, or they would never ask us to accept them in society. It's grotesque, and it's depleting. 🙏 RIP Maddie Angel. You deserved so much more love.
I have been a single mom of 2 daughters (now 10&13) for nearly 8 years after divorcing my then husband. Call me what you want but I have NEVER let another man in our home since I’ve been a single mom. As a mother to my 2 precious daughters, my sole focus is raising them and I have ZERO interest in dating.
I get you but there seems to be just as many “intact” families that the fathers are molesting their kids as well. Try dating but don’t introduce them to your kids.
I'm not a parent but I've worked with children for 12 yrs and I don't blame you for setting up boundaries and consequences for that part of your life. I can't tell you how many times I've heard kids talk about "stepmoms" and "stepdad"!!!... It's so annoying and what pisses me off is how much trust and access they give their partners, especially women. Ppl be so happy just to have someone that they will ignore or over look the relationship or lack there of btwn their children and partner. I just couldn't do it, I'm sorry....
"My child is missing... let me call my criminal defense attorney." Yeah, no. What terrible advice. Glad Vinnie called this guest out on her despicable suggestion.
Thank you for saying something that comment really annoyed me. It’s not like we’re talking about a child that was like agreeing to the situation, which is also horrific and you think about it. She was being abused!
The "mother" claimed she had ADHD. I've seen so much about ADHD being misdiagnosed when infact the child has PTSD. She had PTSD at the hands of her "mother" and that monster she entered a r.ship with. Don't play the disability card when you are the CAUSE of it. I am so sorry Madeline, you deserved so much more than this hell.
@@teresacastro1263she definitely is covering for him. The way she had that girl dressed, with eye makeup and everything shows that she was most likely presenting Madeline as a present to him from her and her sick desperation to keep that sick man.
@@niks8521 right we know nothing men pray on women who are single with little to minimal help from family friends even dads the mom probably didn’t know and her daughter maybe didn’t want to tell because it’s her mom we all want to see our mom & dad happy & me as a child why would I want to ruin that ?? She was abused for 2yrs from 11-13 up until her last day she probably threatened to finally tell on him he probably went in thinking yesssss I’m going to do this & that to her & she finally got tired of it he snapped was scared of the thoughts of jail etc ! I think that’s what happened
Exactly, where was her biological father? He married another woman three months after Maddie was born. I wonder if there are any court records of him trying to get custody of Maddie.
@@ginajoseph8776 at this point I haven’t heard anything from the bio dad in the news. This girl was failed by everyone in her family. Her face screams sadness, her eyes 🥺 you could see so much in her eyes 💔
The black bags are a dead give away and the yellow teeth and the messy hair. I don’t mean to insult her beautiful soul but I remember last time I saw my cousin who wasn’t blood related but considered her so. She was quiet. Her teeth were yellow. She was greasy. Like she hadn’t bathed. She was hiding in the back room and I went to hangout with her and play with the iPad and she was quietly giggling. Like just very shy. Distant and didn’t make eye contact. Didn’t say much. But I just remember seeing her facial skin glisten. Which was abnormal. My aunt always had her real clean but they had picked her up from her bio moms. Had another cousin. Over sized clothing, black clothing, red cheeks, chopped male haircut. Identifying as lesbian at a young age. Head down. Quiet. She has bursts of anger. But the other one was younger and she her hair was kinky and greasy and I wish I would of known the signs. Bags. Either real happy or real sad. Quiet. Hides. Non confrontational or abnormally confrontational and or angry. I was the oldest. I feel like I failed them till this day. I’m so sorry babies. One in jail the other is still free. ❤️🩹💔
I agree! The mom needs to be investigated. It was reported that Madeline confided in her friends/classmates that her mom didn't believe her when she tried to tell her mom. Watching the mom comfort him while crying & lying to the world about his concern & love for Madeline after she went missing makes me physically ill & enraged simultaneously!🤢🤬🤢🤬🤢
I don’t like when people refer to victims being assaulted as “having sex.” That is not sex and should never be compared as such. Sets a dangerous precedent. The “dad” looked high to me, more than anything. Now I see the mother again she has pinpoint pupils and looks like she might abuse some sort of substance as well. They were together for three years “on and off” so he was abusing her the entire time they were together. The conversation with all the lawyers was weird, I don’t know why it was so focused on the parents, nothing about the child. They were all very crass about it. I hope it’s not a preview of how this will be reported. She JUST turned 13, it started when she was 11, she was a child and there was nothing consensual about anything that happened to her.
He smoke pot every day , and she was on depression medication. He was on Ativa and Lunesta meds which I’m pretty sure he used it on Maddie to put her to sleep to get her out of the house and tell people “she slept all the way to school” , but Maddie died either late that Sunday night or early hours of Monday morning. This happened in my county . He used to work at Epcot (Disney)
Exactly, I'm so sick of all these "experts" scrambling and shouting to be heard over each other, but not really saying anything of value. They're very jaded and inconsiderate and don't care one flip about this little girl being r*ped and murdered, they only care about outgoing each other's so-called expertise on these dumb talk panels. I'm done with this stuff, Court TV. 🙄
She told someone in a text message that when she turned 13 she wanted to live in the woods. This is why. She wanted to run away to be free from those people.
This is believed to be a fabricated message sent after she was dead. It was meant to throw off the investigation by starting a narrative that she ran away. At least that’s what I read
Here’s my theory…. She was pregnant, he noticed her pregnant figure when she wore the form fitting dress to her party. He takes her home buys a pregnancy test it’s positive so he kills her.
She sure is a monster over there comforting the murder of her own daughter sickening and thinking her daughter would sexually take care of this man or she left her there and that home alone
Madeline told her friends "she would rather live in the woods, than at home.." my heart cries for this sweet angel. The abuse she endured and failed by her very own "mom" 🗑️🚮
OMG this is the first time I’ve heard this. I will never ever understand how a mother can allow this yuk happening to her child. She lied from day 1 to cover up for him. There is absolutely no excuse and not one tear or shaky voice sending a message to her daughter?! Phoney Baloney
@@ideenfee Her phone was at home, so it couldn't be "traced". I hope they are thorough in the investigation... I thought the text also mentioned (her age), when I turn 13, or something like that...? Poor girl. She looked pregnant in birthday photo.
She wasnt even hysterical or crying. Looking up and away from the camera. Human lie detector says lying. And repeatedly saying "we" dropped her off makes me think she helped him dispose of her. Was she involved in the SAs? Is that why the child couldn't come forward? Absolutely no upset her child is missing. I'd be hysterical and sedated.
At her 13th birthday there is no smile in the eyes… She is smiling but she is dead in the eyes… That poor little girl. Anyone who looked at that kid should have been able to tell something was very, VERY wrong. That is not a carefree 13 year old child…
I really cant get passed the reality that Madeline would have certainly had injuries from the S / A that 🩸 & it would have presented in her clothing. Mothers do laundry….how could she not notice that?
@@mariap.9240 if he was that smart he wouldn’t have been caught so fast by detectives. Its more likely the mother knew and ignored it or blamed her child
This “so called” doctor should never utter the words, having sex. This is a child. She is innocent. This doctor really irritates me and comes across as an idiot.
I give her type heavy, side eye because Kinsey's 'experiments' (child sa), on children were not denounced as inhumane like Joseph Mengele's and it's not, for no reason. Sometimes, intellectuals are bent, as well and they're better, at justifications and diversions.
Did she just call sexual abuse having sex???? Did I just hear that?!??!?!??!?! Sexual abuse is not having sex!!!!! Walked in on them ??? You mean walking in on HIM abusing THE CHILD?!?!
I know women who have stayed after they’re found out/exposed, they see them as the other woman. I believe the mom was complicit involved or at least knowledgeable-guilty.
After I lost my husband at 26yo, I decided to never let an unrelated man in my home with our little girls. It's not worth it happening to them, what happened to me. If I walked in, (& if I could control myself not to rip that chomo from limb to limb) I would've held my little girl & told her how sorry I was that I didn't protect her. Instead of this monster protecting this other monster. WTAF
All I know is that when my daughter went "missing" for 10 minutes ( went scooter riding, new scooter) ....I went absolutely nuts. Screaming, crying ..telling everyone help me. She was (is) fine but I shall never forget that experience. She was at the time seven years old, she is 23 now and I still have "issues" with it.
She was suffering not only because he was abused over and over , but I am sure it was more painful for her that her mom didn't protected her . For me the mother should be in JAIL long time ago.
@lorimiller4301 I know that feeling personally also and If I could prevent it from every child ever I would!! I'm sorry you have to know that feeling your in my prayers 🙏
I agree. Also the fact that she covered up that he was the last one to see her alive when he dropped her off at school. The mother kept saying “we dropped her off” when she knows he did it by himself
I think prehaps she fell pregnant and he had to do something about it. It's sickening to think he could of been abusing her this whole time. And for the mother... well I think she knows more!
the mom is obviously upset, she is probably getting information and learning what's on his phone .then he seems to try to intimidate her while she's doing one of the Interviews. maybe he's telling her what she needs to say because the real truth looks bad... he probably "groomed" the both of them and maybe she's realizing this. I just dont think we should judge her before everything comes out. poor girl... I've been divorced for over 10yrs and not dated in 8. I have a daughter with cerebral palsy still home with me, and I just cant trust any man enough to even try to date. so it's hard for me to understand how mom didn't know, but playing devil's advocate.
Well you know how the crazy liberal, leftist, progressive Democratic thinking is,they think it's free for all and we all have a choice even with kids on what happens with them here and there
Mom's LYING. She knew exactly what was going on for 2 years. She's trying so hard to separate herself from her boyfriend and daughter. She wasn't home for the birthday? She wasn't there when HE dropped Madeline off at school? Then, she says "WE" dropped her off at school? Why is she helping this rapist and murderer? Because she's complicit and culpable. And much worse - she was this child's mother.
was more than 2 years..... Stephan posted a picture of Madeline on his Reddit when she was 9.... boasting about how good she painted a figurine..... seen for myself... and you can too... his account name Sustinet
@@Kay-fv7cw yeah... Stephan apparently collects KIDS TOYS of all sorts (odd i know) and paints them... he posted a photo oh Reddit of her holding one that she painted herself.
Madeline was not having sex...this was sexual abuse. I despise how people keep calling it p*rn. It's CSAM! USE THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY. She could never consent. At 13 years old let alone 11. She was a baby! I have a child that age. I can't imagine it. I hope that he is so afraid right now for his safety. Maybe he would then get to feel what she went through.
Madeline’s tired eyes and dark circles tell a lot. I thought it when she was first reported missing. I cannot imagine the suffering of this little girl with no one to protect her. We all know now Madeline and are so sorry❤
The dark circles, sad eyes. Poor girl went through hell. Watching this mother makes me sick. I hope she is watching all of these shows with everyone saying she knows everything.
YES!!!! I noticed that IMMEDIATELY when I had only seen her picture! I didn't even know these details about her. As soon as I saw her face I thought, "omg, her face looks "stress-aged." Like she's been dealing with serious, adult-level stress or trauma."
This hit very close to home. My father abused me when I was 8 until I was 10. I told my mam and she kicked him out straight away. Our whole world came crashing down. It took me 20 years to realise that he was not sorry, was blaming my mother (the f***ing audacity) and that he would do it again if given the chance- and he nearly got that chance with another woman who had a young girl. I could write a book about the crappy way it was handled- yes, in 2001 in Ireland my mother was told by the Gardaí nothing would be done about it unless I, a 10 year old child, wanted to press charges, and she was told by psychologists that my father could move back in with us and we could go back to being a normal family. I thank God that it happened before smartphones were around, because it's awful to think of people recording child abuse and then (in most cases) selling it to other pieces of s**t. In 2021 I brought him to court. He got 8 years, of which he'll do about 5. He pleaded guilty (there was historical records from counselling), yet I still had to sit there with my family and listen to his defence claim that I "wanted it". Still to this day my mother will not and has not brought another man into our house. I'll be moving out soon (yes, I'm 32 but we have a housing crisis and on top of that I have anxiety, depression and P.T.S.D), and I don't want to leave my mother alone after all we've been through. People who can't fathom how a parent wouldn't know- paedophiles are sneaky pieces of s**t. And it would be very difficult to imagine the person you love would do that to his own daughter. My father was absolutely stupid, but he was thoroughly cunning. That's in my case though, but looking at the mother in this one, it strikes me as a rehearsed statement in her interview. She says "We dropped her off" then it turns to "he dropped her off". There's something off about her, and I wonder if she really did know, if she had an idea but ignored the signs, or if he spun her a lie about him being the first person they'd look at and then he couldn't help the mother.... something like that? Either way, he deserves death. Paedophiles should be killed. They don't stop being paedophiles. They will push further and further and will never be satisfied. There is no redemption for them. They are a waste of space and money, and children deserve to be protected from them. They destroy lives. Rest in peace, Madeline. You deserved so much better than this 💖
I hate to say this but Madeleine looks like she’s holding trauma in her eyes. Almost like the light and life has already been taken from her. It breaks my heart. RIP ❤️🙏
he claimed to have worked for Disney World on his Facebook.... he talked non-stop about this on his Reddit (Sustinet) ... he was even giving advice (grooming really) to "Teens".... the dude is SICK beyond SICK.... and those "photos and videos" the Cops found? .... they were of MADELINE!!! ... in THEIR HOUSE!!
The only way she might have gone to work that day is because she knew what would be happening after the little girl's birthday party and didn't want to watch it happen!! There's a lot that didn't 'sit right' in their interview
Nobody is defending these people but to discredit parents who have to work is uncalled for. Many parents have to miss things due to having to work. I think this mom had many issues we don't yet know exactly what she did or didn't know. I just don't think working on the day of her birthday party was the issue. Whatever was happening had been happening for a long time .
I have a 9 year old and 11 year old girls and this situation makes me so angry. Poor girl went through so much and didn’t deserve what happened to her.
I love how angry he looks when he says "she's been suffering for years, this monster was living in her house!!" It's exactly how angry I feel... how sad and how awful that nobody protected this sweet girl. I'm so sad for her.. no child should have to live thru such absolute twisted acts.
I’m a mom and, aside from her dad, I don’t trust any man around my daughter. Her dad and I are no longer together. I’m cool with being single or not having a serious relationship until she’s grown. These types of cases reinforce that for me.
I completely agree. My Karen neighbors think I’m gay because they don’t see a man around me. I don’t trust men other than her father around her. Some of them will get with you just to get to your child sick individuals.That mother is terrible for not protecting her child. Most Latinos household do these type of coverups about sexual abuse against children.
I’m a divorced single dad and I rather don’t date because even there are evil women murdering. The Lord blessed me with a disabled daughter and she’ll need me for life but I don’t want to meet someone that is going to become jealous and allege I’m not spending enough time because my daughter is first. Even if she was normal then I wait until she’s independent.
@@Jessicace I understand what you mean, but in the face of the long-term tragedy of this child (as well as others, because we were talking about partners molesting their partners' children), I hope we can agree that using the term "sex" alone without expressly mentioning "forced sex" suggests that it could have been with mutual consent, and as we know, children cannot give consent. Don't you agree? I assume what you mean is that every penetration is sex, but we are far more advanced in linguistics and morals to simplify it like that. We have to distinguish between forced penetration and fun intercourse, otherwise if you (Jessicace) get raped one day i expect you to go to the police and say "i just had sex with a man in the dark alley, can you please help me find him?"... How deos it feel to call it like that?
I didn't think that until i listened to what the mom first said "we dropped her off at school..." then later "i dropped her off at school". She had to of known something to include herself in the drop off , then exclude him next. And I;m curious why there's a statement that said the video at the church showed Madeline exit the car and walk away, but if she was never dropped off. SO then mom must be lying. Rediculous!
I am thinking the same way. The shaking indicates she is extremely anxious & nervous about saying or doing something wrong. There are no tears. She is constantly looking up, avoiding direct eye contact with camera. She is hiding information.
Spot on, well spoken! You are 100 percent correct, if you lie, it's difficult to remember, if you tell the truth, there is no need to search for new words, change stories… and continue to fabricate more lies. Thank you, exceptionally well spoken🙏
I’m not sure that’s entirely right. Innocent people have also been caught up in investigations for saying the wrong thing. That should be a concern innocent or guilty in any crime.
Shouldn't even be showing pictures of her and her mom together smiling. It's a slap in the face to that poor little girl who's mother didn't care about her and chose a man over her.
For real! The audacity of the mother to sit and say that her daughter “shares everything with her” because they r soooo close and yet her mom pretends to know nothings wrong?! I have no doubt that this woman knew what was going on 😡
Your comment made me tear up, cause when I saw her pic, her eyes look so sad!...my mom says she can always spot kids who are in Maddie's situation, she says, they look tired and like their clothes are never fitting well
I thought the same thing! Poor babygirl sometimes looked way older in some photos. Stress and lack of sleep along with abuse will do that to a child. I'm so angry this hairy mknster did this to her. Poor baby! @Stanfordmom-
As a single mom myself, I never brought a man in to live in my home. My children were always first. They are both grown and out now. When I saw this case, My intuition said mom had something to do or some knowledge of this from the very beginning. Disgusting to know that this mom cared more about this man and retaining him with her than to protect her child. Justice for Maddie💔🙏🏼
Can you imagine the fear and dread Madeline must have felt every time the freak snuck in her room? Omg. The thought of him wanting to be near her had to be so frightening and awkward.
Some mothers tell everyone that their daughter is lying and take her husband’s side. Some mothers do this more than once… It started around age 3-4 and I was lucky enough to get “too old for him” before I got to Madeline’s age and suppressed the worst of the memories. My little sister ended up destroying her life over the abuse, I guess she wasn’t as skilled at dissociating as I was/am. She committed several felonies at age 14 so she was sent to a girls juvenile center. Once there, she reported it, and my mother was told that she would have to separate physically from her husband to allow my sister to come home. She chose to have her sent elsewhere. Last I heard, my sister was in and out of jail and homeless with at least one child that had been taken away from her by the state. I feel so so sorry for poor Maddie. 😢 She didn’t deserve the abuse she endured. No girl does. The mother is 100% complicit.
I'm sorry your adults were horrible, but I'm am glad you're here, Tiffany. Prayers for your lost little sister. I truly know how that hurts your heart.
He probably got her pregnant and was trying to hide his evil deeds. This poor child has had one hell of a life. SMH. Breaks my heart. That Mama knew, trust me, she knew.
he was filming 'acts' with Madeline.. SICK 'acts' that is... the affidavit makes this more than clear.... and that was upwards to 2 years ago.... now take into consideration Stephan posted a picture of Madeline on his Reddit when she was 9.... a horrifying thought.
@@georgejungle2255 thats a great question.... i wonder if they could tell she was being abused given a general 'check-up' or 'physical'... i would imagine so.
Vinnie!!!!!!! I live in same community and helped with flees and searching as early as Tuesday - something mom said early early on was that Stephan “PICKED UP” Madeline and then took her to school - because I live here and I’m a mom that sent huge red flags for me. I wanted to know from where he picked Madeline up. again, Jennifer’s early reports were that Madeline was picked up and taken to school. This was a big deal for me because at that time we didn’t know if he lived with Jennifer and Maddie or not and after it was revealed, he lived in the apartment it seemed everyone dropped the phrase he picked Madeline up. I think it’s huge.
💯💯💯 same I’ve been a single mom for 8 years. My daughters are only 10&13 now but I have not and will not bring another man into this house with them. No dating for me and believe me I am FINE with that!
Years ago the person I know told me " I put my man first, and then my children". Right there, at that moment I realized that there are mothers who care more about their boyfriends' needs than their own kids.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-treeit’s very different to say “mom and dads marriage comes first, because it’s the foundation of our whole family” and “hey kid, I’m going to prioritize some dude I just met over your well-being”. My parents always said they put their marriage first, but I always knew then and know now that if their kids were in danger or hurting or had needs, the relationship wasn’t the focus over the basic provision and nurturing of the kids, ffs. That’s just common sense and being a responsible adult.
I 100% believe the mom was aware or suspected the abuse. It also seems she was aware her boyfriend was involved in Madeline's disappearance or suspected it. Whatever the case, I believe this woman prioritized this man over her child. Madeline may never have told her mom what was going on, but mom should've noticed changes in her daughter's behavior. Just no way mom didn't know or suspect anything.
Men who move in with women and children and can’t even bother to marry them and become actual, stable, committed stepfathers are the most embarrassing ass BUMS.
Dated for 7 months, lived together for 6 years. The r a p e s on the phone go back to 2 years ago. But he probably started years before and the pics and videos are on other devices.
I watched the testimony of the officer that was first on the scene and he broke down on the stand. He was so emotional and I felt so sad for him for having to experience what he saw. Mom had no tears.
I think its coming but I think the police want to do a thorough forensic analysis before they bring charges, they only have one shot at getting charges to stick. Fon't want no teflon charges in this case.
The mother must have washed her clothes, her bedsheets, etc. considering she was only 13 or 11 at the time of the abuse started. You mean to tell me the mother didn’t see things on the sheets or her panties..
@@Amylynnklh900 what are you talking about? That’s not gross, she isn’t saying it like you sniff a child’s undies. But if you’re a mother who does laundry you will notice things.
My first thoughts when I saw the picture of Madeline (the one with her monstermodder): this girl was abused for some time. Look at her eyes, you can see the pain and they are baggy,.. probably from lack of sleep and exhaustion,.. her smile is forced and sad. Poor little girl, my heart breaks. The dirtbag boyfriend should be under the prison already, so does the “whatchemecallit”… I don’t call her mother, she doesn’t deserve that titel. There is NO way she didn’t know there was something going on. 🤦🏼♀️🤮
I saw her grandmother in an interview for a spanish channel before they found her. She said that Madeline couldn’t run away because she was very scared of the people and she was afraid to sleep by herself. Poor baby
Vinnie, I watch true crime all the time but let me share something with you. Last night on my way to work,a 25 min. drive, I shut off my radio and prayed for Maddie's soul. I asked God to hold her close and prayed for her soul to rest in peace. This case was like the icing on the cake and affected me like no other. This was horrific!! Thank you for keeping us informed. God be with you, Maddie, all of us always. 🙏🙏🙏
Just when I think I can't get angrier about this situation, here comes more. The justice system had better give Madeline every drop of justice due to her.
I would be devestated crying uncontrollably and couldn't handle what happened and where my daughter was at. To me, there is no devestation between either one of them.
Watch the whole interview they did. The mother only expresses fear and the “step dad” emotes fear and fake concern. He even referred to her in the past tense.
I have a sister that dated a sex offender and I scolded her about. Because my sister not only has something mentally wrong with her but she completely lacks self esteem. The is exactly how Jennifer is. She thinks he's the best she can do.
She looks a mess, clearly not taking care of herself, and she looks like a desperate woman just grateful to have attention. But he was only with her for access to abuse her child. We get so few years of innocence. It’s no one’s right to take that away from kids. Only a absolute monster would.
I hope my comment is not out of pocket but do you guys think the mom was jealous of her daughter because I feel like she’s involved somehow her actions seem forced and bothered
I personally feel this way. I think she discovered something, became jealous and took it out on maddie, blackmailing stephan to dispose of the body or she would turn him in and frame him@@Kendrawilsonky
The ease with which women turn a blind eye to the type of men they have in their home all in the name of not losing them is criminal, she needs to be investigated asap.
As a single mother, I chose not to date while my children were younger and still lived at home. I can’t imagine a mother not taking care of her children! She gives us single mothers a bad name. I hope she gets prosecuted as well!
@@smassey6848 being single while having kids does not mean you can't date... that ridiculous.... but just the same... KNOW who the heck you are letting in the house around them.... that is TWO clearly different situations..... and if anything... YOU give men looking to date single moms or moms looking to date DECENT men a "bad name".... grow up.
The mother said she had ADHD she didn’t. She was hyper vigilant, trying to protect yourself at all times. You can’t stay still when you’re hypervigilant. You’re always looking , ready to protect yourself where you can and keep safe. Trying to keep yourself awake just incase something happens ,
I was raised by my great grandmother. Her baby brother came to stay for two weeks twice a year. He was a Korean War vet. And always wore vet apparel. He would abuse me when he was there. I never said a word. He was the only family my great grandmother really had left. I could not break her heart like that. She sat me down one day, took my hands into her very delicate, arthritis riddled hands, and asked me, “If anyone ever messes with you, or has, you know I am your safety don’t you?” I said “of course I do grandma, I would tell you if it were so.” She hugged me and told me how much she loves me. I just COULD NOT break her heart. Not when I was 4, not when I was5,6,7,8, and all the way up to 14. I couldn’t. I don’t believe she ever knew. But she made sure I knew she cared. And that something so big mattered. But to me, she mattered more. Kids suffer, and stuff down the pain and hurt for their parents sake. I told after she passed when I was 14 years old. Police interviewed me ONE time. DCF interviewed me ONE time. That was it. I was humiliated. And forgotten. No one cared. State of Florida let me down. I have an aversion to military and vets now. Not because of them personally. But because it dredges up so much within. I feel guilty about that because I should always be happy to see or meet military members. It’s personally devastating. I’ve never told anyone about reliving traumas every time I am around them.
What a heart breaking story and a heavy burden to carry. I am so sorry you went through this. I hope you are getting some support to heal from this and have a good network of friends around you too.
What a heartbreaking story and a heavy burden to carry as a child. I am so sorry you went through this and hope you have some support to heal and a good network of friends around you too.
I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry for the loss of your childhood. It started at 4 years old? My god. I’m so sorry. A good reason for having a bunk bed above your bed for your child or grandchild rather than leave a child in their own room.
The photo of Madeline at her birthday is sad as although she is smiling, the happiness doesn’t reach her eyes. What a tragic life. She suffered abuse and then was murdered. Madeline didn’t get a chance to experience life as a carefree young person. 😢
Minors cannot consent. She was raped. For years. And photographed. And humiliated. And who knows what else. Maybe wishing she had a mother who could or would protect her?
Disgusting. Moms please put your kids first before anything or anyone. Just assume ALL people cannot be trusted alone with your children. There are more evil, sick people out there than we can imagine.
FIRST time watcher! I'm hooked!! MY FAVORITE PART IS the 3 Attys giving their Professional commentary and their opinion. I'm over here IN GENERAL making my own commentary as I watch crime shows (not at all in a profession related to theirs lol) I'm at the edge of my seat. Gonna subscribe and watch other episodes
You are speaking the truth. It's twisted because of the mother already having trauma probably from her upbringing. There was jealousy going on and of course this is so sick, total dysfunction. The young girl could have been saved if the mother would have stepped up to protect her daughter. This is going on in so many homes.
Panel made some great points today! Mom is def goin down! As a mother of a 18 yr old, I can typically see/feel when my son is happy, down, worried, anxious, hiding something, etc etc. If you’re plugged in u KNOW your children. As horrific as the sexual assault was, so too was this angel having to live in a home EVERY day where she was unsafe, scared, facing torment, and alone. Its unimaginable.
Mother needs to be charged she knew there’s no way that women didn’t know! And why was she so afraid to tell her mom? Her mom must have made it clear to her that the boyfriend was more important! MOM NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL!
My parents didn't know I was being molested. I will say..... that's because my parents are narcs and completely self involved. I would notice the signs. There are signs 100000000%. Selfish self involved care givers might actually not notice.
in the affidavit it makes mention that it was Madeline in those "videos and photos" on his phone... he was most certainly doing some HORRIBLE things to her according to it.
00:00 Madeline Soto Background
02:15 Stephan Sterns Arrest Affidavit
04:06 Madeline Soto: Timeline of Events
17:33 Did Madeline Soto's Mom Know Anything?
26:43 TN v Robin Howington
#CourtTV - Madeline Soto Murder Case
MORE HERE: www.courttv.com/news/police-stephan-sterns-sexually-abused-madeline-soto-for-years/?
Can we stop with the body language analysis stuff? It's hogwash psuedoscience and cheapens your journalistic integrity. I know you need filler for some segments and it's entertaining, but surely we can find some other content.
I'm sorry but that woman knows nothing about CSA I've counselled many many adults that never told any adults about the abuse happening to them under the same roof as the mother by the father or step parent I've spoken to mums who have never had an idea that their child is being abused under their own roof!!!
@@carolinanavarro9076PLEASE don't say child porn it's child abuse images. Children can't consent to pictures and videos adults can and that's pornography
Completely unnecessary to describe what the photos of the victim were of. Completely gratuitous.
@@tylersimmons2686 I agree, we can all see with our own eyes and can judge pretty well when someone is lying or bending the truth, and nobody is right every time, that’s what the police are for.
This female psychiatrist should not say: "They had sex." She was raped. That is not called sex.
I’m surprised to hear a psychiatrist saying that.
I know right?! She can't consent! Hes an idiot for saying that. I hope he changes his vocabulary!!! It's rape🤬
I was just as shocked to hear that… 👀 it makes it sound like some consensual relationship between adults
It was her not him. Absolutely disgusting, yes. I am shocked too, that she does not get that right as a psyiachtrist. 💀
Exactly
If they are underage then it is NEVER called sex. It's rape period
Exactly ...and she was only just 13 !!! 😥
If it's rape, it should never be called sex no matter the age of the victim. But to say this about a thirteen year old girl who was a victim of sexual assault from the time she was eleven years old is disgusting. It's vile and dehumanising and invalidating.
@@TiffWafflesI’ll bet it started before then, that’s just when he recorded it from on that particular phone..
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Children cannot consent!
Mind Your language lady, they were not having "sex" as you put it; the CHILD was being sexually abused!!... How dare you dishonour her like that.
Yeah. That was ridiculous 😡
@@j4kgang921 the little girl was only 12 so no matter how you try to word it in CAPITAL LETTERS they were not having sex the LITTLE GIRL WAS BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED 😠
@@j4kgang921you out of your mind!? So, it matters whether she was screaming and fighting back, or laying there quietly the whole time?! Are you kidding me?! She was a CHILD!! AND THAT IS HER DAUGHTER! She should be screaming at the top of her lungs that he _R@PED_ her baby girl! That's the ONLY thing that should be coming out of her mouth. My god, people like you terrify me.
Democrats. Sugar coating everything and victim blaming
@@j4kgang921 WTF...That little girl was raped amongst other things. She didn’t have sex with that monster she was a victim.....WORDS MATTER Lady!
Please do not ever use Dr Liberman again. To say that child was having sex is sickening.
Shame of this so called doctor!
Agreed.... I also completely disagree with her analysis of their body language. The Mom doesn't appear upset to me at all. The BF had the sad voice and was wiping his eyes but if you zoom in, there is not a single tear showing in his eyes. Completely fake!
You would think that a "professional" would see that immediately.
She victim shames and uses abusive language… dangerously out of touch.
He is a freemason I bet my life
Umm excuse me, is that lady out of her mind?!?? “They had sex!” SHE WAS RAPED! This poor child was raped! For her to refer to the act as sex is vile. Completely disgusting!
I thought the same thing! Wtf
@@SHARON.I No. “Allegedly” raped then. A child could never consent.
@@SHARON.I Yeah that's incorrect, it's impossible for an 11 year old to consent, it's always rape when it's kids.
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@@AlexisS998 I stand corrected ✌️
Im soooo sick of these " live in boyfriends sexually abusing and murdering these kids " When are the Mother's going to be Charged with their Responsibility of Keeping their kids safe ???
And fathers. That's too common too unfortunately
everything on his Reddit....Sustinet ... suggests he made SURE he could be around KIDS as much as possible.
@catsanctuary5604 Exactly! Sacrificing the well being and safety of her kid for some roll over penis. She needs to be charged immediately. It's no money that would allow me to expose my kids to that.
That child has 2 parents.. and there are plenty of step monsters killing and abusing their step children.
I agree. These mothers should be charged too. But the District Attorneys always give these women immunity to testify. The mother knew, she should be charged
My blood is at boiling point toward this predator and Madeline’s mother. That poor child…no wonder she wanted to live in the woods.
What about the rest of the family?? Nobody know? Grandmother?
It happened to me when I was little by 2 different older men than this many times and nobody knew.
I feel like the woods comment was made up so they could throw off the search.
@@RepentfollowJesus exactly, now I’m not saying that she wasn’t involved, but he could’ve totally targeted her because she was so naïve and ditsy just to get to her daughter. My parents didn’t know either until I told them when I was an adult.
She lied and covered for him..she knew
Stop putting men before your own children! This is so upsetting!
As the father of an almost 13 year-old girl, this case hits harder than others. As men, it's our job to protect our household, to show our sons how they are supposed to treat women and show our daughters the standard for how they should expect to be treated by men. The easiest way to model this behavior is how we treat their mother. I'm truly disgusted that this little girl never had a chance in life. It's just not fair and it's a story that is all too common. May everyone who failed Madeline be held accountable, here and in any hereafter.
Thank you so much for setting a great example for our children. We need more Men like you in this world. Whom share the same attributes and dedication as you do, for our future men. We need more MEN to understand that their presence is the main dynamic for our families to succeed. We need our men back!
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All children deserve a parent like you, sweet Madeline, rest with the Angels!❤
Your good Father. My Father was an abuser in 1930,40s50s60s70s never got caught and he was a youth leader/children care officer/social worker. I was best not abused but watch it first hand
Darling Madeline's suffering will have been a torcher for her.
I have never recovered from my experience 💔
My Mother knew. She would say she didn't. But she was physically abusive to me long before she found her pedophile husband. My stepfather. I was abused for 7 yrs by him. Finally, an old man from a church who rented to my mother called DHS and said he believed i was being harmed. He had no clue what he did. He was shocked to find out the horror that was my childhood and he believed God told him to fight for me. So many souls saw my body broken and soul depleted they did nothing and if anyone noticed I was moved fast.
My heart breaks for her. The people who want pedophilia to be accepted in society have NO idea what survivors have truly survived.
They couldn't, or they would never ask us to accept them in society. It's grotesque, and it's depleting.
🙏 RIP Maddie Angel. You deserved so much more love.
Bless your heart , I totally understand. Love & Best Wishes from the West of Ireland.
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Fellow survivor here. Thanks for sharing your story. 🕊️ 💚
I pray for your healing, I'm sorry you endured that. ❤
I have been a single mom of 2 daughters (now 10&13) for nearly 8 years after divorcing my then husband. Call me what you want but I have NEVER let another man in our home since I’ve been a single mom. As a mother to my 2 precious daughters, my sole focus is raising them and I have ZERO interest in dating.
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I get you but there seems to be just as many “intact” families that the fathers are molesting their kids as well. Try dating but don’t introduce them to your kids.
Amen 🙏🏽🥰
I'm not a parent but I've worked with children for 12 yrs and I don't blame you for setting up boundaries and consequences for that part of your life. I can't tell you how many times I've heard kids talk about "stepmoms" and "stepdad"!!!... It's so annoying and what pisses me off is how much trust and access they give their partners, especially women. Ppl be so happy just to have someone that they will ignore or over look the relationship or lack there of btwn their children and partner. I just couldn't do it, I'm sorry....
As a man I respect that 💯
"My child is missing... let me call my criminal defense attorney." Yeah, no. What terrible advice. Glad Vinnie called this guest out on her despicable suggestion.
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They were not “having sex”
They were ABUSED.
Thank you for commenting on that, it agitated me & I’m sure others as well. I get the RUclips rules but nah she’s making it sound consensual. SMH
Thank you for saying something that comment really annoyed me. It’s not like we’re talking about a child that was like agreeing to the situation, which is also horrific and you think about it. She was being abused!
I agree, that made me upset as well.
Madeline looks pregnant in her birthday picture😢
SHE WAS abused. The girl.
The "mother" claimed she had ADHD. I've seen so much about ADHD being misdiagnosed when infact the child has PTSD. She had PTSD at the hands of her "mother" and that monster she entered a r.ship with. Don't play the disability card when you are the CAUSE of it. I am so sorry Madeline, you deserved so much more than this hell.
Both can be true. People with ADHD/autism are somehow more likely to be abused.
Hi 88...IKR
She probably had anxiety from being abused
Trauma
I think it was more like casting blame on her daughter & degrading her in my opinion.
Madeline’s mom is one of those moms who competes with their daughters and put men at top priority
Women like that are targeted by sexual predators to get access to their children. He knew what he was doing. She even seems to be covering for him.
@@teresacastro1263she definitely is covering for him. The way she had that girl dressed, with eye makeup and everything shows that she was most likely presenting Madeline as a present to him from her and her sick desperation to keep that sick man.
Is she that type of mom? How do we know this?
my mom was like that too. 🥺
@@niks8521 right we know nothing men pray on women who are single with little to minimal help from family friends even dads the mom probably didn’t know and her daughter maybe didn’t want to tell because it’s her mom we all want to see our mom & dad happy & me as a child why would I want to ruin that ?? She was abused for 2yrs from 11-13 up until her last day she probably threatened to finally tell on him he probably went in thinking yesssss I’m going to do this & that to her & she finally got tired of it he snapped was scared of the thoughts of jail etc ! I think that’s what happened
As a victim myself of SA you could see it in her eyes. This little girls was hurting and wanted someone to save her 😭
Exactly, where was her biological father? He married another woman three months after Maddie was born. I wonder if there are any court records of him trying to get custody of Maddie.
@@ginajoseph8776 at this point I haven’t heard anything from the bio dad in the news. This girl was failed by everyone in her family. Her face screams sadness, her eyes 🥺 you could see so much in her eyes 💔
he will get death penalty if lawyers do their jobs
The black bags are a dead give away and the yellow teeth and the messy hair. I don’t mean to insult her beautiful soul but I remember last time I saw my cousin who wasn’t blood related but considered her so. She was quiet. Her teeth were yellow. She was greasy. Like she hadn’t bathed. She was hiding in the back room and I went to hangout with her and play with the iPad and she was quietly giggling. Like just very shy. Distant and didn’t make eye contact. Didn’t say much. But I just remember seeing her facial skin glisten. Which was abnormal. My aunt always had her real clean but they had picked her up from her bio moms. Had another cousin. Over sized clothing, black clothing, red cheeks, chopped male haircut. Identifying as lesbian at a young age. Head down. Quiet. She has bursts of anger. But the other one was younger and she her hair was kinky and greasy and I wish I would of known the signs. Bags. Either real happy or real sad. Quiet. Hides. Non confrontational or abnormally confrontational and or angry. I was the oldest. I feel like I failed them till this day. I’m so sorry babies. One in jail the other is still free. ❤️🩹💔
@@20WUTEVER she looked depressed 😭😭
There's no way the mom is innocent in all of this. She needs to get put in jail as well.
Well spoken, spot on. Nice to meet you🙏✡️❤️👌
Exactly
I agree and he probably killed her bc she was pregnant.😢
I agree! The mom needs to be investigated. It was reported that Madeline confided in her friends/classmates that her mom didn't believe her when she tried to tell her mom. Watching the mom comfort him while crying & lying to the world about his concern & love for Madeline after she went missing makes me physically ill & enraged simultaneously!🤢🤬🤢🤬🤢
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I don’t like when people refer to victims being assaulted as “having sex.” That is not sex and should never be compared as such. Sets a dangerous precedent.
The “dad” looked high to me, more than anything. Now I see the mother again she has pinpoint pupils and looks like she might abuse some sort of substance as well.
They were together for three years “on and off” so he was abusing her the entire time they were together. The conversation with all the lawyers was weird, I don’t know why it was so focused on the parents, nothing about the child. They were all very crass about it. I hope it’s not a preview of how this will be reported. She JUST turned 13, it started when she was 11, she was a child and there was nothing consensual about anything that happened to her.
Exactly. You are 100% correct. Children are rap__d.
He smoke pot every day , and she was on depression medication. He was on Ativa and Lunesta meds which I’m pretty sure he used it on Maddie to put her to sleep to get her out of the house and tell people “she slept all the way to school” , but Maddie died either late that Sunday night or early hours of Monday morning.
This happened in my county . He used to work at Epcot (Disney)
My first comment was removed. You are correct. Wasn’t sex. Sex with a child isn’t “having sex”. It isn’t consensual.
It's a legal thing until the charges are upped.
Exactly, I'm so sick of all these "experts" scrambling and shouting to be heard over each other, but not really saying anything of value. They're very jaded and inconsiderate and don't care one flip about this little girl being r*ped and murdered, they only care about outgoing each other's so-called expertise on these dumb talk panels. I'm done with this stuff, Court TV. 🙄
She told someone in a text message that when she turned 13 she wanted to live in the woods. This is why. She wanted to run away to be free from those people.
Do you have a web link for this info?
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@@kame1624 it was on the news just google it
@@kame1624 all the news stations have put that information out there. Just Google it.
Also,"the word" ~ Her teacher and her daughter (close to Maddie's age) lived in a cottage in the woods ~ perhaps she felt safe with them. 🤔
This is believed to be a fabricated message sent after she was dead. It was meant to throw off the investigation by starting a narrative that she ran away. At least that’s what I read
Here’s my theory…. She was pregnant, he noticed her pregnant figure when she wore the form fitting dress to her party. He takes her home buys a pregnancy test it’s positive so he kills her.
YEP!!
So true she does look pregnant! 😢
That's what I thought as well
Pretty damn good assumption.
Oh my gawd!!😪
That mom is not normal.
Neither is the Grandma. Looked as if they had No Feelings
She seems challenged.
Where did you see the Grandma?@@diamonddriver9235
She is a monster 🤬🤬🤬🤬
She sure is a monster over there comforting the murder of her own daughter sickening and thinking her daughter would sexually take care of this man or she left her there and that home alone
Madeline told her friends "she would rather live in the woods, than at home.." my heart cries for this sweet angel. The abuse she endured and failed by her very own "mom" 🗑️🚮
OMG this is the first time I’ve heard this. I will never ever understand how a mother can allow this yuk happening to her child. She lied from day 1 to cover up for him. There is absolutely no excuse and not one tear or shaky voice sending a message to her daughter?! Phoney Baloney
Poor baby😢 I think she had plans of running away or she wanted this to stop and that is why he did it !
The text was sent shortly before she was reportet missing. Steven could have sent this to distracr police
She would have been safer living in the woods.
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Her phone was at home, so it couldn't be "traced". I hope they are thorough in the investigation...
I thought the text also mentioned (her age), when I turn 13, or something like that...?
Poor girl. She looked pregnant in birthday photo.
The Mom looks more afraid she’s going to get caught for something she’s done, than worried about Madeline.
my exact thoughts.... she undoubtedly knows more than she is saying
They’re equally guilty.
She wasnt even hysterical or crying. Looking up and away from the camera. Human lie detector says lying. And repeatedly saying "we" dropped her off makes me think she helped him dispose of her. Was she involved in the SAs? Is that why the child couldn't come forward? Absolutely no upset her child is missing. I'd be hysterical and sedated.
Yep I think she was in on it and they were worried she was gonna tell someone what was going on in that house.
Totally.
At her 13th birthday there is no smile in the eyes… She is smiling but she is dead in the eyes… That poor little girl. Anyone who looked at that kid should have been able to tell something was very, VERY wrong. That is not a carefree 13 year old child…
She looks pregnant on that dress
There is NO way the mama didn't know. No way. I feel so bad for the poor baby girl. Pray she gets justice.
Exactly! It had been going on for YEARS!!! 💔😢
I really cant get passed the reality that Madeline would have certainly had injuries from the S / A that 🩸 & it would have presented in her clothing. Mothers do laundry….how could she not notice that?
@@notsorryyouretriggeredsome predators are really good at hiding their abuse. It's not necessarily bloody. They often know how to avoid this...
@@mariap.9240 if he was that smart he wouldn’t have been caught so fast by detectives. Its more likely the mother knew and ignored it or blamed her child
Leftists will tell you she was scared!!!!
This “so called” doctor should never utter the words, having sex. This is a child. She is innocent. This doctor really irritates me and comes across as an idiot.
I give her type heavy, side eye because Kinsey's 'experiments' (child sa), on children were not denounced as inhumane like Joseph Mengele's and it's not, for no reason.
Sometimes, intellectuals are bent, as well and they're better, at justifications and diversions.
Legally, a child has no capacity to make any informed decisions and for an adult to engage in that act with a child is quite horrific.
Probably the dr is that
Please she should no longer on this show.
@taramay8174 Well.basically a child cannot have sex. It is still unformed and the fact that dr does not know this is disturbing.
Did she just call sexual abuse having sex???? Did I just hear that?!??!?!??!?! Sexual abuse is not having sex!!!!! Walked in on them ??? You mean walking in on HIM abusing THE CHILD?!?!
Exactly. He was r*ping poor Madeline. Abusing her. Molesting her. She can’t consent to having sex, she’s just a baby 😢
I know women who have stayed after they’re found out/exposed, they see them as the other woman. I believe the mom was complicit involved or at least knowledgeable-guilty.
I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Like WTFFFF
After I lost my husband at 26yo, I decided to never let an unrelated man in my home with our little girls. It's not worth it happening to them, what happened to me. If I walked in, (& if I could control myself not to rip that chomo from limb to limb) I would've held my little girl & told her how sorry I was that I didn't protect her. Instead of this monster protecting this other monster. WTAF
Says a lot about that lady's head space... sick...
All I know is that when my daughter went "missing" for 10 minutes ( went scooter riding, new scooter) ....I went absolutely nuts. Screaming, crying ..telling everyone help me. She was (is) fine but I shall never forget that experience. She was at the time seven years old, she is 23 now and I still have "issues" with it.
She was suffering not only because he was abused over and over , but I am sure it was more painful for her that her mom didn't protected her . For me the mother should be in JAIL long time ago.
Yes ! The mother not protecting her child is such a huge betrayal 💔 I know personally.
They BOTH should have been in jail.
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100 % agree
@lorimiller4301 I know that feeling personally also and If I could prevent it from every child ever I would!!
I'm sorry you have to know that feeling your in my prayers 🙏
How are you at work during your daughter’s 13th birthday party? She handed her to that monster on a platter. She knew!
exactly, especially learning it wasn't even her birth date. very sus.
YUP. Guaranteed she was involved one way or another in her disappearance & m urder.
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Exactly! Exactly! Exactly!
I agree. Also the fact that she covered up that he was the last one to see her alive when he dropped her off at school. The mother kept saying “we dropped her off” when she knows he did it by himself
I wouldn't be surprised if the little girl was pregnant. We'll have to wait and see what the autopsy reveals. So sad 😪😪
This! That was my thought as well.
They had to be rid of her...
Kinda looked like it in the last picture taken of her on her birthday
I think prehaps she fell pregnant and he had to do something about it. It's sickening to think he could of been abusing her this whole time. And for the mother... well I think she knows more!
the mom is obviously upset, she is probably getting information and learning what's on his phone
.then he seems to try to intimidate her while she's doing one of the Interviews. maybe he's telling her what she needs to say because the real truth looks bad... he probably "groomed" the both of them and maybe she's realizing this.
I just dont think we should judge her before everything comes out. poor girl...
I've been divorced for over 10yrs and not dated in 8. I have a daughter with cerebral palsy still home with me, and I just cant trust any man enough to even try to date. so it's hard for me to understand how mom didn't know, but playing devil's advocate.
You are the REALEST. Thank you for being fearless and passionate. Madeline needs it 😇
It’s offensive that Liberman said “they were having sex, “ not she was raped. Odd for a psychologist.
Well you know how the crazy liberal, leftist, progressive Democratic thinking is,they think it's free for all and we all have a choice even with kids on what happens with them here and there
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!
That caught me off guard too. Actually made me feel a little sick
This "psychologist" low-key supports predatory behavior. Calling gRape as 'having sex'. 🤨😡
@@stephanyhdz92 Free for all is 100%! Esp here in Cali. THANKS NEWSOME, DAss!
The mother needs charges as well!! As a mother she’s supposed to protect her child not her romantic interest.
She is the typical woman who would take anyone because just look at her. Desperate!
The mother should be charged, too, for child endangerment, her own child. Rest in peace, Madeline 🙏
At the very least
AMEN AND AMEN.
I love you Vinnie and you uphold what is right!!! Please continue to speak your truth! It is very much appreciated by many, many people!! ❤️❤️🙏🙏👍👍
Mom's LYING. She knew exactly what was going on for 2 years. She's trying so hard to separate herself from her boyfriend and daughter. She wasn't home for the birthday? She wasn't there when HE dropped Madeline off at school? Then, she says "WE" dropped her off at school? Why is she helping this rapist and murderer? Because she's complicit and culpable. And much worse - she was this child's mother.
was more than 2 years..... Stephan posted a picture of Madeline on his Reddit when she was 9.... boasting about how good she painted a figurine..... seen for myself... and you can too... his account name Sustinet
@@sIXXIsDesigns "painted a figurine"???
By the looks of the mother, she is the type to be grateful to have a bf and overlook their predatory ways.
@@smassey6848 if not involve herself as well.... just because its a woman... dont mean they cant be an abuser.
@@Kay-fv7cw yeah... Stephan apparently collects KIDS TOYS of all sorts (odd i know) and paints them... he posted a photo oh Reddit of her holding one that she painted herself.
Madeline was not having sex...this was sexual abuse. I despise how people keep calling it p*rn. It's CSAM! USE THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY. She could never consent. At 13 years old let alone 11. She was a baby! I have a child that age. I can't imagine it. I hope that he is so afraid right now for his safety. Maybe he would then get to feel what she went through.
He will be dealt with in prison.
They both will be delt with..
If she was having sex with a 13 year old boy or 15, 16 years old boy then it was consent, yes yes it sure is consent.
@@regularguy2391 the law clearly states that a child cannot ever consent. Should change your RUclips name to "creepy guy2391"
He will be when he gets to prison
Madeline’s tired eyes and dark circles tell a lot. I thought it when she was first reported missing. I cannot imagine the suffering of this little girl with no one to protect her. We all know now Madeline and are so sorry❤
Heart breaking 💔
I notice her eyes as well😭 poor girl I can’t imagine the things she was going through💔
Yes!! I noticed that too, her eyes were empty 😢
The dark circles, sad eyes. Poor girl went through hell. Watching this mother makes me sick. I hope she is watching all of these shows with everyone saying she knows everything.
YES!!!! I noticed that IMMEDIATELY when I had only seen her picture! I didn't even know these details about her. As soon as I saw her face I thought, "omg, her face looks "stress-aged." Like she's been dealing with serious, adult-level stress or trauma."
This hit very close to home. My father abused me when I was 8 until I was 10. I told my mam and she kicked him out straight away. Our whole world came crashing down. It took me 20 years to realise that he was not sorry, was blaming my mother (the f***ing audacity) and that he would do it again if given the chance- and he nearly got that chance with another woman who had a young girl.
I could write a book about the crappy way it was handled- yes, in 2001 in Ireland my mother was told by the Gardaí nothing would be done about it unless I, a 10 year old child, wanted to press charges, and she was told by psychologists that my father could move back in with us and we could go back to being a normal family. I thank God that it happened before smartphones were around, because it's awful to think of people recording child abuse and then (in most cases) selling it to other pieces of s**t.
In 2021 I brought him to court. He got 8 years, of which he'll do about 5. He pleaded guilty (there was historical records from counselling), yet I still had to sit there with my family and listen to his defence claim that I "wanted it".
Still to this day my mother will not and has not brought another man into our house. I'll be moving out soon (yes, I'm 32 but we have a housing crisis and on top of that I have anxiety, depression and P.T.S.D), and I don't want to leave my mother alone after all we've been through.
People who can't fathom how a parent wouldn't know- paedophiles are sneaky pieces of s**t. And it would be very difficult to imagine the person you love would do that to his own daughter. My father was absolutely stupid, but he was thoroughly cunning. That's in my case though, but looking at the mother in this one, it strikes me as a rehearsed statement in her interview. She says "We dropped her off" then it turns to "he dropped her off". There's something off about her, and I wonder if she really did know, if she had an idea but ignored the signs, or if he spun her a lie about him being the first person they'd look at and then he couldn't help the mother.... something like that? Either way, he deserves death.
Paedophiles should be killed. They don't stop being paedophiles. They will push further and further and will never be satisfied. There is no redemption for them. They are a waste of space and money, and children deserve to be protected from them. They destroy lives.
Rest in peace, Madeline. You deserved so much better than this 💖
Very insightful and I'm so sorry you had to suffer like you have. You sound like one tough cookie though and I applaud you!
Im so sorry. Prayers doe you.
I have a sickening feeling she was pregnant and he needed to get rid of her. Breaks my heart that poor baby
I hope not! That would make this even more disgusting!
Agreed 🙁
She looks pregnant in the picture, could be she's just healthy.
Same thing in my mind she probably was pregnant!
Yes
I hate to say this but Madeleine looks like she’s holding trauma in her eyes. Almost like the light and life has already been taken from her. It breaks my heart. RIP ❤️🙏
I REALLY REALLY hate to say it looks like she has "Panda Eyes" Google it...or don't
She looks so worn out, like soul destroyed 💔
@@johannawigg6921 I know and it’s so so sad.
I agree.
like she cried every day
Sickening. The mother is just as guilty… as a mother 3, I CAN always tell when something is off with my kids.
Can feel your anger and frustration through the screen vinnie. It's great to have someone passionate like you giving us news and crime.
Vinnie is the best reporter, he actually cares!! very few reporters like him left
So true been watching him for years ❤
Yes I love him he always says what I'm thinking.
Yes!! He is AMAZING!
Yes, I can see the pain in his eyes.
a kid becomes a teenager ONE TIME in their Life , and Mommy Dearest had to WORK ??? i call BS
he claimed to have worked for Disney World on his Facebook.... he talked non-stop about this on his Reddit (Sustinet) ... he was even giving advice (grooming really) to "Teens".... the dude is SICK beyond SICK.... and those "photos and videos" the Cops found? .... they were of MADELINE!!! ... in THEIR HOUSE!!
That is exactly what I said
The only way she might have gone to work that day is because she knew what would be happening after the little girl's birthday party and didn't want to watch it happen!! There's a lot that didn't 'sit right' in their interview
I hope she goes away please God 😢poor baby girl I Love her so my God knows this at least
Nobody is defending these people but to discredit parents who have to work is uncalled for. Many parents have to miss things due to having to work. I think this mom had many issues we don't yet know exactly what she did or didn't know. I just don't think working on the day of her birthday party was the issue. Whatever was happening had been happening for a long time .
The lady is ridiculous. You don’t call your attorney first before 911!!!! Especially if you’re trying to save your daughters life😢 Is she serious
I didn't find her amusing at all. How could you smile and joke talking about a situation like this.
I have a 9 year old and 11 year old girls and this situation makes me so angry. Poor girl went through so much and didn’t deserve what happened to her.
I love how angry he looks when he says "she's been suffering for years, this monster was living in her house!!" It's exactly how angry I feel... how sad and how awful that nobody protected this sweet girl. I'm so sad for her.. no child should have to live thru such absolute twisted acts.
Yeah that broke me, physically ill! Horrific! Where's this babies father!
@@PinkJoy143 someone said he's been in jail for a year.
given he posted a picture of Madeline on his Reddit when she was 9 years old... this abuse very much likely went on for ALL that time.
@@sIXXIsDesigns oh wow. What a creep.
@@FCUK- oh yeah... that dude deserves worse than the Death Penalty.
I’m a mom and, aside from her dad, I don’t trust any man around my daughter. Her dad and I are no longer together. I’m cool with being single or not having a serious relationship until she’s grown. These types of cases reinforce that for me.
I wish my mom would’ve been like you. Wise. My life would’ve turned out differently. It is incredibly admirable and rare. 💜
I completely agree. My Karen neighbors think I’m gay because they don’t see a man around me. I don’t trust men other than her father around her. Some of them will get with you just to get to your child sick individuals.That mother is terrible for not protecting her child. Most Latinos household do these type of coverups about sexual abuse against children.
Fathers do these things as well.
I agree!
I’m a divorced single dad and I rather don’t date because even there are evil women murdering. The Lord blessed me with a disabled daughter and she’ll need me for life but I don’t want to meet someone that is going to become jealous and allege I’m not spending enough time because my daughter is first. Even if she was normal then I wait until she’s independent.
This Dr. is referring to the rape of a child as , “having sex”?
I wondered why she said this as well
Look up the definition of sex. Rape is still sex.
Sex is consensual. When it's not, it's called sexual assult/rape. What are you fighting for here??
@@imhottequilabrownsaying just because they say sex it doesn't mean it's not rape also.
@@Jessicace I understand what you mean, but in the face of the long-term tragedy of this child (as well as others, because we were talking about partners molesting their partners' children), I hope we can agree that using the term "sex" alone without expressly mentioning "forced sex" suggests that it could have been with mutual consent, and as we know, children cannot give consent. Don't you agree? I assume what you mean is that every penetration is sex, but we are far more advanced in linguistics and morals to simplify it like that. We have to distinguish between forced penetration and fun intercourse, otherwise if you (Jessicace) get raped one day i expect you to go to the police and say "i just had sex with a man in the dark alley, can you please help me find him?"... How deos it feel to call it like that?
If I had a missing child, calling a lawyer would be the LAST THING on my list.
That mother was more intrested in saving him, rather than her own daughter!
And didn't even say I love you to her daughter other than good night and that's it like
Correct
I didn't think that until i listened to what the mom first said "we dropped her off at school..." then later "i dropped her off at school". She had to of known something to include herself in the drop off , then exclude him next. And I;m curious why there's a statement that said the video at the church showed Madeline exit the car and walk away, but if she was never dropped off. SO then mom must be lying. Rediculous!
@@duhastkeinhertz They were either told, or shown by the police; a very blurry vid of a person. Police have their ways of figuring things out...
That mom is so nervous. She's shaking and rocking. She seems like she's worried about saying the wrong thing, which innocent people wouldn't do.
I just watched the Behavior Panel on you tube where they analyzed the video of the interview. Exactly what you’re saying. She’s scared ! 😱
She did say things. Like "we" dropped her off repeatedly. Makes me think she helped dispose of her. Maybe she was part of the SAs too.
I am thinking the same way. The shaking indicates she is extremely anxious & nervous about saying or doing something wrong. There are no tears. She is constantly looking up, avoiding direct eye contact with camera. She is hiding information.
Spot on, well spoken! You are 100 percent correct, if you lie, it's difficult to remember, if you tell the truth, there is no need to search for new words, change stories… and continue to fabricate more lies. Thank you, exceptionally well spoken🙏
I’m not sure that’s entirely right. Innocent people have also been caught up in investigations for saying the wrong thing. That should be a concern innocent or guilty in any crime.
Shouldn't even be showing pictures of her and her mom together smiling. It's a slap in the face to that poor little girl who's mother didn't care about her and chose a man over her.
For real! The audacity of the mother to sit and say that her daughter “shares everything with her” because they r soooo close and yet her mom pretends to know nothings wrong?! I have no doubt that this woman knew what was going on 😡
The demon of a mother knew what that man was doing to that child
We don't know that. This is so common.... So many daughters ....
You forgot the mom claimed she saw her getting ready for school Monday morning
She also claimed she took her to school
Mother is afraid of Stephan, mother is not telling the truth. 🤫🇨🇦
she prolly lied
And gave a description of what she wore and saw her cross the street. All those details were lies to cover for the boyfriend.😡😡
Lying cover up
I could tell by how old and tired she looked, that this was not new to that poor girl. That smile, is a broken spirited one. So sad to recognize
Poor baby eyes looked like she barley slept 😢
She looked much older than her age. Trauma does that. 😢
Your comment made me tear up, cause when I saw her pic, her eyes look so sad!...my mom says she can always spot kids who are in Maddie's situation, she says, they look tired and like their clothes are never fitting well
I thought the same thing! Poor babygirl sometimes looked way older in some photos. Stress and lack of sleep along with abuse will do that to a child. I'm so angry this hairy mknster did this to her. Poor baby! @Stanfordmom-
@@firmehina4941 her moma have me so angry with her
As a single mom myself, I never brought a man in to live in my home. My children were always first. They are both grown and out now. When I saw this case, My intuition said mom had something to do or some knowledge of this from the very beginning. Disgusting to know that this mom cared more about this man and retaining him with her than to protect her child. Justice for Maddie💔🙏🏼
Right
Good mama!
JUSTICE FOR MADDIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's so 🤮 how could you sacrifice your beautiful daughter for such a creepy ...?
Can you imagine the fear and dread Madeline must have felt every time the freak snuck in her room? Omg. The thought of him wanting to be near her had to be so frightening and awkward.
Some mothers tell everyone that their daughter is lying and take her husband’s side. Some mothers do this more than once… It started around age 3-4 and I was lucky enough to get “too old for him” before I got to Madeline’s age and suppressed the worst of the memories. My little sister ended up destroying her life over the abuse, I guess she wasn’t as skilled at dissociating as I was/am. She committed several felonies at age 14 so she was sent to a girls juvenile center. Once there, she reported it, and my mother was told that she would have to separate physically from her husband to allow my sister to come home. She chose to have her sent elsewhere. Last I heard, my sister was in and out of jail and homeless with at least one child that had been taken away from her by the state. I feel so so sorry for poor Maddie. 😢 She didn’t deserve the abuse she endured. No girl does. The mother is 100% complicit.
I hear you.
My sympathy to you and your sister. This happens more than people realize.❤
I'm so so sorry....the ugly news doesn't leave
I'm sorry your adults were horrible, but I'm am glad you're here, Tiffany. Prayers for your lost little sister. I truly know how that hurts your heart.
😔
It’s called sexual assault also known as rape!
EXACTLY 💯
He probably got her pregnant and was trying to hide his evil deeds. This poor child has had one hell of a life. SMH. Breaks my heart. That Mama knew, trust me, she knew.
he was filming 'acts' with Madeline.. SICK 'acts' that is... the affidavit makes this more than clear.... and that was upwards to 2 years ago.... now take into consideration Stephan posted a picture of Madeline on his Reddit when she was 9.... a horrifying thought.
I’m willing to bet she turned 13 and was too old for him so she was just trash to throw away to him
Pregnant or not. Didn’t the mother ever take her to a physician for any female medical condition?
She did know
@@georgejungle2255 thats a great question.... i wonder if they could tell she was being abused given a general 'check-up' or 'physical'... i would imagine so.
Vinnie!!!!!!! I live in same community and helped with flees and searching as early as Tuesday - something mom said early early on was that Stephan “PICKED UP” Madeline and then took her to school - because I live here and I’m a mom that sent huge red flags for me. I wanted to know from where he picked Madeline up.
again, Jennifer’s early reports were that Madeline was picked up and taken to school.
This was a big deal for me because at that time we didn’t know if he lived with Jennifer and Maddie or not and after it was revealed, he lived in the apartment it seemed everyone dropped the phrase he picked Madeline up. I think it’s huge.
In my life. I ended up alone with 3 kids and stayed single until my children were grown, married and settled.
💯💯💯 same I’ve been a single mom for 8 years. My daughters are only 10&13 now but I have not and will not bring another man into this house with them. No dating for me and believe me I am FINE with that!
Wise decision indeed!
@@mikeandmals. Yes you hang in there. Protect your children . Good for you. ❤
@@NickiPerri❤
@@dizziechef9502 thank you ❤❤
Years ago the person I know told me " I put my man first, and then my children". Right there, at that moment I realized that there are mothers who care more about their boyfriends' needs than their own kids.
My mother once told me that her relationship comes before anything else. Still cuts deep.
I wish she had told someone
Some Women say that because they know the kids will grow up and leave home, but they want the man to stick around forever. So they put him first.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-treeThey irresponsible and stupid. Period.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-treeit’s very different to say “mom and dads marriage comes first, because it’s the foundation of our whole family” and “hey kid, I’m going to prioritize some dude I just met over your well-being”.
My parents always said they put their marriage first, but I always knew then and know now that if their kids were in danger or hurting or had needs, the relationship wasn’t the focus over the basic provision and nurturing of the kids, ffs. That’s just common sense and being a responsible adult.
I 100% believe the mom was aware or suspected the abuse. It also seems she was aware her boyfriend was involved in Madeline's disappearance or suspected it. Whatever the case, I believe this woman prioritized this man over her child. Madeline may never have told her mom what was going on, but mom should've noticed changes in her daughter's behavior. Just no way mom didn't know or suspect anything.
I’ve got a question: why wasn’t Gannon Stauch’s dad vilified for bringing the stepmom in? Women and men are treated very differentry by the media.
I’m so sick of these stupid women who bring all these deviants into their children’s lives to run rampant through the family! Argh! 😡😡😡😡
Men who move in with women and children and can’t even bother to marry them and become actual, stable, committed stepfathers are the most embarrassing ass BUMS.
AMEN AND AMEN
Desperate h7mans,,cqre no5hing 4 kids..father of victim. Is wh3re..
I think mom knew...
Me too
And they are saying the mom dated him for 2 years - so he started abusing her FROM TO BEGINNING. 😢
I heard they were together for 7 years 😢
They were together 7 years
Only 6 months then he just slept there between his parents house!!🤔🤔🤔
Dated for 7 months, lived together for 6 years. The r a p e s on the phone go back to 2 years ago. But he probably started years before and the pics and videos are on other devices.
Watched a video interview last night with Stephan’s best friend and he was not dating that woman for 2 years. He told his friend they were broken up.
10000% suspicious of the mom.
I almost asked which one but it doesn’t matter. I’m suspicious of them both.
I agree with you
Right! Her story line omits the time between when she says she saw Maddie and when she lies and says she took Maddie to school…..ummmmm….
I watched the testimony of the officer that was first on the scene and he broke down on the stand. He was so emotional and I felt so sad for him for having to experience what he saw. Mom had no tears.
The fact that the mother has not been arrested demands an explanation.
Agreed but she is going to be in jail in her head for the rest of her life
Gathering evidence. Building a solid case
I think its coming but I think the police want to do a thorough forensic analysis before they bring charges, they only have one shot at getting charges to stick. Fon't want no teflon charges in this case.
I AGREE!!
@@lisaderenard4467exactly!! I would rather have a thorough job than a rushed half assed one
The mother must have washed her clothes, her bedsheets, etc. considering she was only 13 or 11 at the time of the abuse started. You mean to tell me the mother didn’t see things on the sheets or her panties..
Kinda gross to be looking at your daughter’s underwear….
@@Amylynnklh900 what are you talking about? That’s not gross, she isn’t saying it like you sniff a child’s undies. But if you’re a mother who does laundry you will notice things.
@@Amylynnklh900stupid comment
@@Amylynnklh900what??
@@Amylynnklh900 🤡
My first thoughts when I saw the picture of Madeline (the one with her monstermodder): this girl was abused for some time. Look at her eyes, you can see the pain and they are baggy,.. probably from lack of sleep and exhaustion,.. her smile is forced and sad. Poor little girl, my heart breaks. The dirtbag boyfriend should be under the prison already, so does the “whatchemecallit”… I don’t call her mother, she doesn’t deserve that titel. There is NO way she didn’t know there was something going on. 🤦🏼♀️🤮
💯💯
I saw her grandmother in an interview for a spanish channel before they found her. She said that Madeline couldn’t run away because she was very scared of the people and she was afraid to sleep by herself. Poor baby
Her eyes are very sad… she has circles around them. Poor child… may she RIP with God.
@@anacardenas3979 Thank you, I didn’t know about an interview with the grandmother. I will look for that. I agree, poor girl.
Vinnie, I watch true crime all the time but let me share something with you. Last night on my way to work,a 25 min. drive, I shut off my radio and prayed for Maddie's soul. I asked God to hold her close and prayed for her soul to rest in peace. This case was like the icing on the cake and affected me like no other. This was horrific!! Thank you for keeping us informed. God be with you, Maddie, all of us always. 🙏🙏🙏
Just when I think I can't get angrier about this situation, here comes more. The justice system had better give Madeline every drop of justice due to her.
Death Penalty
@@shirleyguy7152 for the “mother” too..
I would be devestated crying uncontrollably and couldn't handle what happened and where my daughter was at. To me, there is no devestation between either one of them.
That’s what I’ve been saying!!!!!
Yes! The mother was so nonchalant like they were talking about the weather
Watch the whole interview they did. The mother only expresses fear and the “step dad” emotes fear and fake concern. He even referred to her in the past tense.
That child lived a Nightmare... RIP Maddie ❤ 🕊 ❤
absolute.... poor kid.... its truly sad.... very sad.... RIP Madeline
We need the behavior panel.
I have a sister that dated a sex offender and I scolded her about. Because my sister not only has something mentally wrong with her but she completely lacks self esteem. The is exactly how Jennifer is. She thinks he's the best she can do.
And sadly he actually IS the best she can and now, will ever do.
I was actually thinking how much she reminded me of my sister....who is mentally challenged and is also with a sex offender.
She looks a mess, clearly not taking care of herself, and she looks like a desperate woman just grateful to have attention. But he was only with her for access to abuse her child.
We get so few years of innocence. It’s no one’s right to take that away from kids. Only a absolute monster would.
I hope my comment is not out of pocket but do you guys think the mom was jealous of her daughter because I feel like she’s involved somehow her actions seem forced and bothered
I personally feel this way. I think she discovered something, became jealous and took it out on maddie, blackmailing stephan to dispose of the body or she would turn him in and frame him@@Kendrawilsonky
The ease with which women turn a blind eye to the type of men they have in their home all in the name of not losing them is criminal, she needs to be investigated asap.
And the excuses we allow these women to say to justify their actions. A child is dead, if you didn’t stop it, you condoned it.
i almost want to say that she may have very well took part in what he was doing.... i certainly wouldnt doubt it.
As a single mother, I chose not to date while my children were younger and still lived at home. I can’t imagine a mother not taking care of her children! She gives us single mothers a bad name. I hope she gets prosecuted as well!
@@smassey6848 being single while having kids does not mean you can't date... that ridiculous.... but just the same... KNOW who the heck you are letting in the house around them.... that is TWO clearly different situations..... and if anything... YOU give men looking to date single moms or moms looking to date DECENT men a "bad name".... grow up.
@@sIXXIsDesigns telling someone to grow up bc they may have a different opinion of yours, isn't a really making you look like an adult.
The mother did say Madeline had “anxiety”. You think?!!!
Jesus Christ, that affidavit is horrific 😭 how did this get past the mother
It didn't
The mother is slow
The mother said she had ADHD she didn’t. She was hyper vigilant, trying to protect yourself at all times. You can’t stay still when you’re hypervigilant. You’re always looking , ready to protect yourself where you can and keep safe. Trying to keep yourself awake just incase something happens ,
I was raised by my great grandmother. Her baby brother came to stay for two weeks twice a year. He was a Korean War vet. And always wore vet apparel. He would abuse me when he was there. I never said a word. He was the only family my great grandmother really had left. I could not break her heart like that. She sat me down one day, took my hands into her very delicate, arthritis riddled hands, and asked me, “If anyone ever messes with you, or has, you know I am your safety don’t you?” I said “of course I do grandma, I would tell you if it were so.” She hugged me and told me how much she loves me. I just COULD NOT break her heart. Not when I was 4, not when I was5,6,7,8, and all the way up to 14. I couldn’t. I don’t believe she ever knew. But she made sure I knew she cared. And that something so big mattered. But to me, she mattered more. Kids suffer, and stuff down the pain and hurt for their parents sake. I told after she passed when I was 14 years old. Police interviewed me ONE time. DCF interviewed me ONE time. That was it. I was humiliated. And forgotten. No one cared. State of Florida let me down. I have an aversion to military and vets now. Not because of them personally. But because it dredges up so much within. I feel guilty about that because I should always be happy to see or meet military members. It’s personally devastating. I’ve never told anyone about reliving traumas every time I am around them.
What a heart breaking story and a heavy burden to carry. I am so sorry you went through this. I hope you are getting some support to heal from this and have a good network of friends around you too.
What a heartbreaking story and a heavy burden to carry as a child. I am so sorry you went through this and hope you have some support to heal and a good network of friends around you too.
Brandymoore sounds like grandmother’s brother came to see you and not her.
I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry for the loss of your childhood. It started at 4 years old? My god. I’m so sorry. A good reason for having a bunk bed above your bed for your child or grandchild rather than leave a child in their own room.
Wow you made me cry..I pray your okay
The photo of Madeline at her birthday is sad as although she is smiling, the happiness doesn’t reach her eyes. What a tragic life. She suffered abuse and then was murdered. Madeline didn’t get a chance to experience life as a carefree young person. 😢
Minors cannot consent. She was raped. For years. And photographed. And humiliated. And who knows what else. Maybe wishing she had a mother who could or would protect her?
That angel did not even have the protection of a mother.
Vinnies passion for these cases are the reason why i love him. Hes not screaming like nancy grace does, and he explores all points
completely agree. Vinny is one of my faves. ❤❤❤
Disgusting. Moms please put your kids first before anything or anyone. Just assume ALL people cannot be trusted alone with your children. There are more evil, sick people out there than we can imagine.
Thank you! My feelings exactly.
FIRST time watcher! I'm hooked!! MY FAVORITE PART IS the 3 Attys giving their Professional commentary and their opinion. I'm over here IN GENERAL making my own commentary as I watch crime shows (not at all in a profession related to theirs lol) I'm at the edge of my seat. Gonna subscribe and watch other episodes
Sometimes the mother finds a way to blame the abused child in her warped and twisted mind.
Exactly, the child is sometimes even accused of being a flirt and other such labels and the confusion leads to hell on earth.
You are speaking the truth. It's twisted because of the mother already having trauma probably from her upbringing. There was jealousy going on and of course this is so sick, total dysfunction. The young girl could have been saved if the mother would have stepped up to protect her daughter. This is going on in so many homes.
especially an insecure woman who after discovering s.abuse gets “jealous” rather than enraged
Agreed
Panel made some great points today! Mom is def goin down! As a mother of a 18 yr old, I can typically see/feel when my son is happy, down, worried, anxious, hiding something, etc etc. If you’re plugged in u KNOW your children. As horrific as the sexual assault was, so too was this angel having to live in a home EVERY day where she was unsafe, scared, facing torment, and alone. Its unimaginable.
The grandmother said that she was a very anxious child and scared of everything 😢she also said that she was afraid of sleeping alone 😭
@@goldenparachute392
Wtf? Now with what we know, how sad is that?
@@melsafken764 crushingly sad
I dont understand woman who get men into their homes when there are children and leave them Alone with them 😡😡😡
The mother knew. For sure.
This is so heartbreaking.
Mother needs to be charged she knew there’s no way that women didn’t know! And why was she so afraid to tell her mom? Her mom must have made it clear to her that the boyfriend was more important! MOM NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL!
The boyfriend was a predator and the mom may not have known anything.
My parents didn't know I was being molested. I will say..... that's because my parents are narcs and completely self involved. I would notice the signs. There are signs 100000000%. Selfish self involved care givers might actually not notice.
It's Rape, Moslestation NOT sex!!
yea, that sounds weird as hell...they weren't having "sex". Old lady is out of touch with reality.
Exactly!!!!!
Exactly
in the affidavit it makes mention that it was Madeline in those "videos and photos" on his phone... he was most certainly doing some HORRIBLE things to her according to it.