as a non native English speaker, I understand it. Learning a second language is really hard, it will literally take many years to fully be able to speak and understand it
@@mutya_ Americans have nothing against using the English language incorrectly, no one makes fun of people for not swearing correctly. This guys are just making shit up.
@@OkashiiAmerican what are you talking about, Americans don't have issues with how nonnative English speakers use cuss words at all. Where more likely to find it cute than problematic.
Still doesn't make sense to me. Like sure - if you're going purely by definition it's an animal product. But veganism for most people targets the fact that you're hurting an animal for its product (e.g. milk by constantly having a pregnant cow, egg for keeping hens in small cages...). But you're not hurting the bee or making their habits too different. In fact, we're actually helping their declining population and giving them spacious, stable homes. So I'd find it stupid to not make an exception for honey. It implies it stems from animal cruelty even though it's a good breakfast alternative!
@@xhantechan5324 If you search up “is honey vegan,” the first result “Honey: Ethical Considerations & Vegan Alternatives” list out some reasons that some vegans avoid honey. Other websites also talks about it, but I’d say the main reasons are that you’re talking away their food, and the industry also treats bees quite horribly. There’s also some problems concerning wild/native bees- honey bees are not at any risk, it’s the wild bees whose population are hurt. “Saving the bees” is for wild bees, not honey bees
@@lovelysakurapetalsyt They are not, but there is the worry of them being endangered due to how the industry is treating them. From the National Wildlife Federation (2021 article), “But the honey bee is hardly at risk of extinction. ‘There are more honey bees on the planet today than at any time in history,’ says Black (executive director of the Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation).”
Kinda agree with honey, it's weird that honey is not vegan. But if milk is not vegan, it's understandable I just love it when the boys missing and sharing braincells. It's ok Yugo, we all have that moment xD
Honey is made by bees, veganism tries not to consume or use products that come from animals no matter what, a vegan does not eat meat, does not eat honey, does not drink milk and its derivatives, nor does use, for example, wool or leather, because all of that belongs to animals, so honey is not vegan. In any case, it is vegetarian, because vegetarianism is only about not consuming meat, and honey obviusly is not meat, and for example you can consume milk, eggs, etc.
I mean if it comes to honey it is kidna right and wrong at the same time??? And that is only bc honey is just procesed nectar that was procesed in their stomach which to put is simple, honey is basically bee vomit, but you can always think of it like how bread, it is made by bakers procesing ingridients that don't come from us. So I don't really consider honey non-vegan simply because it was procesed by bees in their bellies and does not come from them directly.
@@tneanxiety395 The copium is strong in this one. The fact that honey is produced by bees is enough to make it non-vegan. Without a baker, the flour, water, and yeast never become bread. The baker makes the bread. Without the bee, the nectar never becomes honey. The bee makes the honey.
The ending tho lmaooo. And don’t worry yugo, I used to think honey was fine for vegans too before I found out I was just mixing them up with vegetarians
@@snoopythegrape1747 sorry to say, but not related to the topic, im about bee's and the cow's product🗿 Also forcing them to be pregnant, yeah so what? Its not what "sacrifice" means in context of the video. L
@@liandoaethend2403 yeah it is related to the topic. I was making the point that even though they weren't being immediately killed for their milk. That they're still being inseminated so they produce milk for humans instead of for their babies, who are by the way taken away from them not too long after they're born. They're talking about a couple of products that vegans don't eat because they come from animals. I brought up a point on how they're still being harmed. So, in the context of this video it makes perfect sense. L
Came back to watch this clip because it makes me laugh so hard. Really unfortunate and sad for their sudden graduation. I hope they're able to continue shining and smiling even if it isn't in nijien.
@@mjangelvortex They discussed this live too. Most of the brown sugar in the market is just granulated white sugar with cane molasses added back in instead of the traditional way of leaving in the cane molasses during the refining process. Shu stated it was because it’s hard to make the ratio equal/uniform so companies usually finish the full refining process, which includes taking out all the cane juice/molasses, and then just adding it back in after.
"Honey is by definition not vegan, since it a bee product, and bees are animals. Here's a nuanced article about how the ethical issues surrounding this sweetener fit into the broader concept of vegan living." whaaaa?? rrly??
Yugo forgets the existence of sugar lmao. Vegan here. Honey comes from basically bee farms. Essentially the process is the same as dairy farms, where cows are used for milk. Ergo, animal exploitation, therefore, vegan.
This was too good 😂 Yugo lost his mind in this stream! And no, we mostly don't eat honey~ And LUCA LMAOO, yes sugar is made in the leaves of sugarcane.
@@sugoistalin7809 It's technically not really vomit either since it's not from their stomachs. They have a special organ called a "crop" where they produce and store it.
yeah but it's made by bees swallowing and then spitting it out over and over again until the sugar composition is right so honey is technically bee vomit
honey is not bees, honey is produced by bees. And it does not hurt the beese to take it. Beekeepers tend to take good care of their bees, so they thrive. I am all for lowering your consumption of meat and being conscious of how damaging your food source is but honey from beekeepers is one of the best things to do for good environment. Bees are needed to polinate crops. Bees produce excess honey. Well taken care of hives will not suffer. You wanna do good for mother earth? Take care of a beehive!
I think you mean nectar. Nectar is what bees collect from flower. But the bees collect it and partially digest it to make honey so it is considered a product from bee Edit: I learnt from high school so plz don’t blame me if I remember incorrectly
@@Yolanee from what i heard, some of the issues vegans have regarding the ethics behind honey production are usually whether the substitute substance given to hives are sufficient for honeybees to live off of after being harvested, and if the breeding of domesticated honey bees has negative effects on other pollinators found in the wild
I'm no vegan/vegetarian, I do like my meat .. that didnt sound right- anyway however I believe the difference is a Vegetarian is a person who strictly does not eat Animals, but they're fine with eating products derived from them such as milk cheese honey egg and such a Vegan... however, is a person who does not desire to eat anything that has direct relation with an animal, no milk, no egg, no nothing and rather catter to Soy alternative which is kinda weird because Bees are not exactly animals, bugs arent considered animals but here we are. (They belong in the Animal Kingdom category but they don't form part of the "animal" sub-category, rather into the... uh.. what was the name, arthropods??? man it's been long since school.) And can't really say "anything derived from living beings" because plants are living beings too.
Bees harvest pollen and nectar from flowers (I think), then bees partially digest it to produce honey (I’m not sure but I think it’s something like that)
Then it's vegetarian, Vegan and Vegetarian are two different diets one doesn't eat meat or anything that kills animals, and the other are arrogant a*sholes who look down on people without realising that animals play a part in everything we eat.
@@Andini2 It is from plants, but it is essentially the vomit of the bee after digesting the pollen from the flower i believe. Vegans consider something an animal product if it is made by or from an animal
wait, I too don't know that honey is not vegan tho bcs I thought honey is from nectar that comes from flowers right. like a flower is a plant right so I'm a little confused too.
Honey is not vegan because it was produced by bees with pollen and nectar they harvested in plants and flowers... Bees digest those and with their enzymes in their bodies processed those and produces honey... Essentially, honey is just a bee's barf or vomit. I think vegans used sweeteners derived from plants like sucrose(from sugarcanes) and fructose (from fruits)... So sugar and maple syrups can be consumed by vegans... Stevia is also a good vegan sweetener as they're derived from Stevia plants....
I mean people kinda choose how extreme they want to be Vegan. I mean Plants are also living. But also Vegetarion is fine with eating fish, because the fish is less Human like, when comapred to land animals. its basically how much is your capacity to empathize with Non human things and feel bad for eating them. I mean you might even feel bad cutting down plants. Or eating an insect. But denying what's natural to the human body is a choice people have to make, and sometimes its not possible, like when I went to college alot of people couldnt be veagan because there just wasnt any veagan food options. As for Honey, yeah you could be someone who justifies Honey and Milk, as long as it doesn't kill the animal, or you could say you dont want it because its exploiting the animal. or maybe you your okay with Honey, because you dont like Bugs anyway but you sympathize with cows. Its basically subjective.
Milk is actually super cruel for the animals, because cow's only give Milk after they gave birth. Vegetarians also don't fish, this is called pescetarian andhas nothing to do with what you are saying. It's Just a nutricions-standpoint. And plants are Not living beings Like animals or humans. They don't have pain-receptors or anything which would make it cruel to "kill" them. Sorry, but saying plants are also living Things in the Same sentence as animals are living Things is Not very smart. When this really interest you you should read more about this, before spreading Missinformation. And how Natural our modern diet really is, is a debat in itself :D.
Vegetarians don't eat fish either. They don't eat animals period but are okay with animal products like eggs, milk, and honey is okay. You're thinking of pescatarians.
Nectar is processed by bees by converting the nectar into a more simple sugar that doesn't just harden or crystalize like the sugars you'd commonly use in home cooking. I believe they have a special organ that processes it that then gets stored in the hive for the seasons where flowering plants are less likely to bloom.
I do find it weird that honey isn't vegan. I understand no animal products whatsoever but isn't there veganism to try and not harm animals, which is why people are vegan instead of vegetarian? Like, making milk can cause a cow to suffer, I get that, but bees don't suffer for honey? So is it necessary to cut it out when the process of making honey doesn't discomfort the bee any? Unless I'm wrong and the bee's are getting hurt somehow, but I didn't think they were.
You could argue that they suffer by you taking away their honey. The reason bees make honey in the first place is as a way of building stores of food for the hive. Normally beekeepers will leave sugar behind as 'payment' when they take the honey to make sure the hive stays alive, but if you believe that nature's way is the best then the bees should be allowed to eat the honey that they make themselves.
Vegan, eat’s nothing that comes from animals. Anything an animal creates or is part of an animal is not eaten by vegans. Vegetarian, doesn’t eat meat. That’s it really.
Wait isn't honey technically nectar? isn't that plant based?? Bees only collect nectar it only turns into honey if many nectar were to be collected....
Honey is basically nectar consumed by bees and processing it into honey or royal honey. Pollens just stick to bees to impregnate other plants/flower of it's kind.
I wonder why people become vegan..like they don't wanna eat meat because they alive? Plants alive too, and waters have small microorganisms that also alive.
It's more about the environmental factors, because factory farming in developed countries contribute to more carbon emissions than fossil fuels. By going vegan, these ppl choose to boycott these farms and stuff. That being said though, I'm not vegan and the ppl that can get overly obnoxious and judgemental by virtue-signalling about others not being vegan are VERY annoying. 😑
@@AyakoHideko true..like I'm not against people being vegan, I'm just really curious. They can do whatever they want as long they don't try to force other people to be vegan.
@@izu1624 I'm glad to have been helpful then haha! In all honesty, I respect the ppl who go vegan because they're against factory farming, (and they have the human decency to not look down on other ppl) but just like another commenter said before their comment was gone, going vegan is kinda based off of your environment too cuz some places don't have vegan stuff readily available. It is a privilege to be able to go vegan in a way, because where I live in a third world country, there's just no places that can support that kinda lifestyle unless you live in the capital city. (And that's assuming that you have the funds to continue on with that lifestyle too, because those food aint cheap D:)
Because there is a differents betwen living plants and living animals. I am vegan because i know what Happens to animals in These factorys. Like Tons of Chicken caged into cells so small they can't move an Inch. Pigs who canibalice on each other Out of Stress. Cow's which never See their Childs, because we Humans are so egoistic wanting to Drink their Milk so the calf gets killed Instant or gets raised with a Substitute. Which is Just so crazy to me.
Veganism in it's essence is a movement to stop cruelty that is associated with factory farming along with the environmental damage that comes with it. Personally, I really respect vegans because the reason they transitioned to veganism is for a pretty amazing cause. It's a form of protest through self sacrifice. Plus, in today's day and age, with so many resources, you can lead a completely healthy and fulfilling life even with a vegan diet. Personally, I haven't gone vegan, but I have been debating it for quite a while haha Idk if I have it in me to give up on chicken T_T My main advantage is being from India. Here, 40% of the population is vegetarian & even people who aren't vegetarian usually eat a vegetarian diet 50%-70% of the time throughout the week. Being a vegetarian is actually cheaper & being vegan is just a step farther than that. Maybe some day I'll take the plunge into veganism, but currently, I'm not there yet.
Technically not. But your'e going too far with your veganism if you care about that. Same with unfertilized eggs. Some animal husbandry is perfectly good in my opinion. Its not more unethical than having a spayed cat.
you are too fast lol
Oh hi Yugo 😂
Yugoooooooo
Would you like some sugar?
Hi Yugo
Clippers do be zoomin
Shu hogging the braincells of the group
He is THE braincell
"Is sugar actually from sugarcane?", never change bro.
Do cats come from cattails?
I believe most granulated sugar is actually from beets.
Cane sugar is, yes
Yugo's short-circuiting noises are such a mood ngl 😂🤣💙
Shu: *Confused because of Yugo*
Yugo: *Having a crisis*
Luca: *It's just there for the food*
unrelated to the topic but I love how the more fluent & comfortable Yugo is with his English the more he uses cuss words in his convos lmao
as a non native English speaker, I understand it. Learning a second language is really hard, it will literally take many years to fully be able to speak and understand it
@@DUCKS864 America? They don't own the English language.
@@mutya_ Americans have nothing against using the English language incorrectly, no one makes fun of people for not swearing correctly. This guys are just making shit up.
@@OkashiiAmerican what are you talking about, Americans don't have issues with how nonnative English speakers use cuss words at all. Where more likely to find it cute than problematic.
Not Yugo forgetting sugar exists
If it were not for this conversation I would've been as clueless as Yugo about the honey and vegan thing 😭
Same, me too
Still doesn't make sense to me. Like sure - if you're going purely by definition it's an animal product. But veganism for most people targets the fact that you're hurting an animal for its product (e.g. milk by constantly having a pregnant cow, egg for keeping hens in small cages...). But you're not hurting the bee or making their habits too different. In fact, we're actually helping their declining population and giving them spacious, stable homes. So I'd find it stupid to not make an exception for honey. It implies it stems from animal cruelty even though it's a good breakfast alternative!
@@xhantechan5324 If you search up “is honey vegan,” the first result “Honey: Ethical Considerations & Vegan Alternatives” list out some reasons that some vegans avoid honey. Other websites also talks about it, but I’d say the main reasons are that you’re talking away their food, and the industry also treats bees quite horribly. There’s also some problems concerning wild/native bees- honey bees are not at any risk, it’s the wild bees whose population are hurt. “Saving the bees” is for wild bees, not honey bees
@@namiip Honey bees ARE endangered
@@lovelysakurapetalsyt
They are not, but there is the worry of them being endangered due to how the industry is treating them.
From the National Wildlife Federation (2021 article), “But the honey bee is hardly at risk of extinction. ‘There are more honey bees on the planet today than at any time in history,’ says Black (executive director of the Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation).”
the ending to this clip... never change boss 😂😂
the way you cut it with luca's question hanging like that makes this funnier
not luca asking if sugar actually comes form sugarcanes at the end 😂
Alternative title: Shu has a conversation with two himbos 😂😂
Kinda agree with honey, it's weird that honey is not vegan. But if milk is not vegan, it's understandable
I just love it when the boys missing and sharing braincells. It's ok Yugo, we all have that moment xD
Honey is made by bees, veganism tries not to consume or use products that come from animals no matter what, a vegan does not eat meat, does not eat honey, does not drink milk and its derivatives, nor does use, for example, wool or leather, because all of that belongs to animals, so honey is not vegan. In any case, it is vegetarian, because vegetarianism is only about not consuming meat, and honey obviusly is not meat, and for example you can consume milk, eggs, etc.
I get why dairy is vegan, at least for mass produced milk. Cows are confined, and their calves are often taken away.
I mean if it comes to honey it is kidna right and wrong at the same time??? And that is only bc honey is just procesed nectar that was procesed in their stomach which to put is simple, honey is basically bee vomit, but you can always think of it like how bread, it is made by bakers procesing ingridients that don't come from us. So I don't really consider honey non-vegan simply because it was procesed by bees in their bellies and does not come from them directly.
@@tneanxiety395 The copium is strong in this one. The fact that honey is produced by bees is enough to make it non-vegan. Without a baker, the flour, water, and yeast never become bread. The baker makes the bread. Without the bee, the nectar never becomes honey. The bee makes the honey.
@@Agnes_2232 what about cow manure fertilized plants? Shouldn’t that technically be vegan still?
I get Shu's trains of thought 😅
Yeah honey is bee spit. So it's not vegan, but it's vegetarian.
The ending tho lmaooo. And don’t worry yugo, I used to think honey was fine for vegans too before I found out I was just mixing them up with vegetarians
Yugo we're not sacrificing cows for milk either, brother 😭
Most milk farm will make cow pregnant then kill baby or seperate baby so the cow will produce milk
But we're forcing them to be pregnant.
@@snoopythegrape1747 sorry to say, but not related to the topic, im about bee's and the cow's product🗿
Also forcing them to be pregnant, yeah so what? Its not what "sacrifice" means in context of the video. L
@@liandoaethend2403 yeah it is related to the topic. I was making the point that even though they weren't being immediately killed for their milk. That they're still being inseminated so they produce milk for humans instead of for their babies, who are by the way taken away from them not too long after they're born.
They're talking about a couple of products that vegans don't eat because they come from animals. I brought up a point on how they're still being harmed. So, in the context of this video it makes perfect sense. L
Came back to watch this clip because it makes me laugh so hard. Really unfortunate and sad for their sudden graduation. I hope they're able to continue shining and smiling even if it isn't in nijien.
Yeah it's sad that it's so sudden. No last goodbye stream. 😢
A short list of things Luca apparently didn't know are made from plants of some kind:
Vanilla
Sugar
Hash browns
And if I'm remembering correctly, mint
They're making it sound like honey is ground up bees😭
I think Yugo might be thinking of vegetarians. Common mistake. A lot of people confuse the two diets.
Huh... I guess you learn something everyday... 💙
ngl, it took me a while to realize that too yugo don't worry
If you ever feel silly around Luca, don't worry, just wait a few seconds.
**me, knowing that sugar is white because of bone char filtration** yeah, sure..
Depends on the sugar and country, but yeah a lot is in the us
Brown sugar exists too.
@@mjangelvortex They discussed this live too. Most of the brown sugar in the market is just granulated white sugar with cane molasses added back in instead of the traditional way of leaving in the cane molasses during the refining process. Shu stated it was because it’s hard to make the ratio equal/uniform so companies usually finish the full refining process, which includes taking out all the cane juice/molasses, and then just adding it back in after.
Yugo’s brian cells right then are nonexistent
It's bee-gan.
THE ENDING
That ending 😂😂 Luca!
This is the part that ive miss because of work jist now, thanks...
Tbh I didn’t know either. I thought Shu was trolling.
...Give your money to bees
"Is sugar actually from sugarcane?"
"No. Just like how the egg yolk isn't from the egg."
"Sugar comes from sugarcane?" 💀💛
To be fair do cats come from cattails?
Good point.
"Honey is by definition not vegan, since it a bee product, and bees are animals. Here's a nuanced article about how the ethical issues surrounding this sweetener fit into the broader concept of vegan living." whaaaa?? rrly??
insert that one tumblr blog about honeys
We sacrificing bee's food source by consuming honey 😬
Addendum: also some honey mustard recipies have mayonaise in it which has eggs
Yugo is jus like me fr fr
He's a bit confused but he got the spirit😆
hilarious! never change guys
Yugo forgets the existence of sugar lmao.
Vegan here. Honey comes from basically bee farms. Essentially the process is the same as dairy farms, where cows are used for milk. Ergo, animal exploitation, therefore, vegan.
The end LMAAAOOOO
This was too good 😂 Yugo lost his mind in this stream!
And no, we mostly don't eat honey~
And LUCA LMAOO, yes sugar is made in the leaves of sugarcane.
the people maldiing in the chat about honey not being vegan kinda funny tho
Cane sugar is often bleached using bone char, though beet sugar isn't.
Shower thoughts hahaha
Honey is bee milk.
I was joking but after checking, honey is actually bee vomit.
Coom
@@sugoistalin7809 It's technically not really vomit either since it's not from their stomachs. They have a special organ called a "crop" where they produce and store it.
he sounds so much like kowalski!
bee milk...
Anything animal product or produced by animal vegans won't consume it
honey mustard on the side, means theyre not eating the mustard
Honey is vegetarian🍯
Honey is not vegan though 🙅♂😅
Doesn't honey come from flowers? I mean bees made them from flowers, right? TwT helppppppp
yeah but it's made by bees swallowing and then spitting it out over and over again until the sugar composition is right
so honey is technically bee vomit
honey is not bees, honey is produced by bees. And it does not hurt the beese to take it. Beekeepers tend to take good care of their bees, so they thrive.
I am all for lowering your consumption of meat and being conscious of how damaging your food source is but honey from beekeepers is one of the best things to do for good environment. Bees are needed to polinate crops. Bees produce excess honey. Well taken care of hives will not suffer. You wanna do good for mother earth? Take care of a beehive!
I think you mean nectar. Nectar is what bees collect from flower. But the bees collect it and partially digest it to make honey so it is considered a product from bee
Edit: I learnt from high school so plz don’t blame me if I remember incorrectly
@@Yolanee from what i heard, some of the issues vegans have regarding the ethics behind honey production are usually whether the substitute substance given to hives are sufficient for honeybees to live off of after being harvested, and if the breeding of domesticated honey bees has negative effects on other pollinators found in the wild
I think vegans are just feeling bad for taking honey from bees because, as you guys said, honey is a bee's product ( ´ ▽ ` )
I didn't know honey wasn't vegan :0 wow
Sugar is fine for vegans but they have to be careful with white sugar iirc as some processing plants will use bones during processing.
when it comes to eating honey, vegans be(e) gone
I'm no vegan/vegetarian, I do like my meat
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that didnt sound right- anyway
however I believe the difference is
a Vegetarian is a person who strictly does not eat Animals, but they're fine with eating products derived from them such as milk cheese honey egg and such
a Vegan... however, is a person who does not desire to eat anything that has direct relation with an animal, no milk, no egg, no nothing and rather catter to Soy alternative
which is kinda weird because Bees are not exactly animals, bugs arent considered animals but here we are. (They belong in the Animal Kingdom category but they don't form part of the "animal" sub-category, rather into the... uh.. what was the name, arthropods??? man it's been long since school.)
And can't really say "anything derived from living beings" because plants are living beings too.
Is literally Beelk
Honey may not be vegan but as we learned from the Bee Movie, if we do not harvest the honey we take away their life’s purpose.
bruh their purpose is to pollinate flowers, honey is just a byproduct
Unpopular opinion: Free Range Vegans are delicious....
... I assume. ;)
Doesn't honey come from flower? And the bees just cook it? (Bad english sorry)
Bees harvest pollen and nectar from flowers (I think), then bees partially digest it to produce honey (I’m not sure but I think it’s something like that)
Then it's vegetarian, Vegan and Vegetarian are two different diets one doesn't eat meat or anything that kills animals, and the other are arrogant a*sholes who look down on people without realising that animals play a part in everything we eat.
idk that's like saying milk comes from grass, it still has to come out of an animal
I thought honey was plant product(based?) lmao
@@Andini2 It is from plants, but it is essentially the vomit of the bee after digesting the pollen from the flower i believe. Vegans consider something an animal product if it is made by or from an animal
wait, I too don't know that honey is not vegan tho bcs I thought honey is from nectar that comes from flowers right. like a flower is a plant right so I'm a little confused too.
Are hotdogs made out of hot dogs??
Honey is not vegan because it was produced by bees with pollen and nectar they harvested in plants and flowers... Bees digest those and with their enzymes in their bodies processed those and produces honey... Essentially, honey is just a bee's barf or vomit.
I think vegans used sweeteners derived from plants like sucrose(from sugarcanes) and fructose (from fruits)... So sugar and maple syrups can be consumed by vegans... Stevia is also a good vegan sweetener as they're derived from Stevia plants....
I mean people kinda choose how extreme they want to be Vegan. I mean Plants are also living. But also Vegetarion is fine with eating fish, because the fish is less Human like, when comapred to land animals. its basically how much is your capacity to empathize with Non human things and feel bad for eating them. I mean you might even feel bad cutting down plants. Or eating an insect. But denying what's natural to the human body is a choice people have to make, and sometimes its not possible, like when I went to college alot of people couldnt be veagan because there just wasnt any veagan food options. As for Honey, yeah you could be someone who justifies Honey and Milk, as long as it doesn't kill the animal, or you could say you dont want it because its exploiting the animal. or maybe you your okay with Honey, because you dont like Bugs anyway but you sympathize with cows. Its basically subjective.
Milk is actually super cruel for the animals, because cow's only give Milk after they gave birth. Vegetarians also don't fish, this is called pescetarian andhas nothing to do with what you are saying. It's Just a nutricions-standpoint.
And plants are Not living beings Like animals or humans. They don't have pain-receptors or anything which would make it cruel to "kill" them. Sorry, but saying plants are also living Things in the Same sentence as animals are living Things is Not very smart. When this really interest you you should read more about this, before spreading Missinformation.
And how Natural our modern diet really is, is a debat in itself :D.
Vegetarians don't eat fish either. They don't eat animals period but are okay with animal products like eggs, milk, and honey is okay. You're thinking of pescatarians.
Wait.. I thought honey comes from flowers (nectar right?) but how did it come from.. bees?
Nectar is processed by bees by converting the nectar into a more simple sugar that doesn't just harden or crystalize like the sugars you'd commonly use in home cooking. I believe they have a special organ that processes it that then gets stored in the hive for the seasons where flowering plants are less likely to bloom.
I do find it weird that honey isn't vegan. I understand no animal products whatsoever but isn't there veganism to try and not harm animals, which is why people are vegan instead of vegetarian? Like, making milk can cause a cow to suffer, I get that, but bees don't suffer for honey? So is it necessary to cut it out when the process of making honey doesn't discomfort the bee any?
Unless I'm wrong and the bee's are getting hurt somehow, but I didn't think they were.
You could argue that they suffer by you taking away their honey. The reason bees make honey in the first place is as a way of building stores of food for the hive. Normally beekeepers will leave sugar behind as 'payment' when they take the honey to make sure the hive stays alive, but if you believe that nature's way is the best then the bees should be allowed to eat the honey that they make themselves.
Can somebody tell me the difference between Vegan and Vegetarian?
Vegan, eat’s nothing that comes from animals. Anything an animal creates or is part of an animal is not eaten by vegans.
Vegetarian, doesn’t eat meat. That’s it really.
Wait isn't honey technically nectar? isn't that plant based?? Bees only collect nectar it only turns into honey if many nectar were to be collected....
Wait honey isn't vegan!?
Wait, so is milk not vegan-
Wait, isn't honey a vegan? Cause honey came from flower(pollen) and then the bees spit it out, turning into honey??? It's still pollen, right??
Honey is basically nectar consumed by bees and processing it into honey or royal honey. Pollens just stick to bees to impregnate other plants/flower of it's kind.
@@innisclipping thanks!!
I didn't know veganism was this pedantic.
where's the vegan cop? someone need to lose its vegan power
I think im first
ngl I thought honey was vegan too 💀
I wonder why people become vegan..like they don't wanna eat meat because they alive? Plants alive too, and waters have small microorganisms that also alive.
It's more about the environmental factors, because factory farming in developed countries contribute to more carbon emissions than fossil fuels. By going vegan, these ppl choose to boycott these farms and stuff. That being said though, I'm not vegan and the ppl that can get overly obnoxious and judgemental by virtue-signalling about others not being vegan are VERY annoying. 😑
@@AyakoHideko true..like I'm not against people being vegan, I'm just really curious. They can do whatever they want as long they don't try to force other people to be vegan.
@@izu1624 I'm glad to have been helpful then haha! In all honesty, I respect the ppl who go vegan because they're against factory farming, (and they have the human decency to not look down on other ppl) but just like another commenter said before their comment was gone, going vegan is kinda based off of your environment too cuz some places don't have vegan stuff readily available. It is a privilege to be able to go vegan in a way, because where I live in a third world country, there's just no places that can support that kinda lifestyle unless you live in the capital city. (And that's assuming that you have the funds to continue on with that lifestyle too, because those food aint cheap D:)
Because there is a differents betwen living plants and living animals. I am vegan because i know what Happens to animals in These factorys. Like Tons of Chicken caged into cells so small they can't move an Inch. Pigs who canibalice on each other Out of Stress. Cow's which never See their Childs, because we Humans are so egoistic wanting to Drink their Milk so the calf gets killed Instant or gets raised with a Substitute. Which is Just so crazy to me.
Veganism in it's essence is a movement to stop cruelty that is associated with factory farming along with the environmental damage that comes with it. Personally, I really respect vegans because the reason they transitioned to veganism is for a pretty amazing cause. It's a form of protest through self sacrifice. Plus, in today's day and age, with so many resources, you can lead a completely healthy and fulfilling life even with a vegan diet. Personally, I haven't gone vegan, but I have been debating it for quite a while haha
Idk if I have it in me to give up on chicken T_T My main advantage is being from India. Here, 40% of the population is vegetarian & even people who aren't vegetarian usually eat a vegetarian diet 50%-70% of the time throughout the week. Being a vegetarian is actually cheaper & being vegan is just a step farther than that. Maybe some day I'll take the plunge into veganism, but currently, I'm not there yet.
You count it as non-vegan when animals create it but isn't Vegan food created by humans? and humans are considerably an animal??
Technically not. But your'e going too far with your veganism if you care about that. Same with unfertilized eggs. Some animal husbandry is perfectly good in my opinion. Its not more unethical than having a spayed cat.
If it contains any parts of an animal or if an animal helped make it then it's NOT vegan xD