Another issue you’re having here with your setup was using a high rpm motor. Try this again with a lower rpm motor say maybe the motor from a microwave turn table and you should have much better results
A synchronous motor from microwave turn table won't last long or do much because it has plastic or nylon plastic which when turned faster than what it's made for will strip the gears but metal gears "might" last longer if the gears are machined not casted also a Pelton wheel that's made for micro hydro applications will give better results instead of 45° pvc angle elbows plus the motor used to generate electricity is a big factor.
What if you created a siphon off of a pond and ran that through a micro hydro generator, then captured that into a ram pump which took a percentage back uphill into the pond? Have you thought about this concept and would the percentage captured be worth adding the ram pump? thanks!
The amount of energy is dependent on the amount of water. You may get more free speed, IE unloaded voltage, out of the motor but if you put a small load on it, you would get more power out of the nozzle with the greatest flow. Voltage here means nothing, You need to measure the amount of watts generated to get a true indication of the power generated> I'd suggest going to a lower voltage motor to start with so the RPM don't have to be as high to get useable current. Keep going with it, looks like you have put a lot of work into your setup already, now you just need to fine tune it.
Hello and thank you for the input! I actually just set this little test up just to see what would happen. A lower voltage motor would make some difference and I am sure adding lots more head would too! I will be testing out an archimedes screw turbine soon and I hope to use a ~1200 rpm motor instead of this 7000rpm. and I will be using the full creek. it would be nice to make close to 100w out of my creek. I appreciate your watching and commenting.
True, but a nozzle can help put the turbine in a more efficient operating range. I think the motor isn't wired or ideal to be a generator, but if it is I think there's something that you might try; make the wheel smaller so you can achieve higher rpms.
It's all about efficiency. You only get as much potential energy to put into the system - the column of water. Full flow with no pump would support the most torque on the wheel I suppose.
The pulser pump looks better to me. It can take more flow and doesn't have any moving parts. The guy has some videos with quite impressive results. He doesn't have a stream anymore so other people need to develop it. He says about the vibrations caused by a ram pump and how they could cause harm to wildlife. This seems accurate to me for small things in the water those sort of vibrations could cause damage and certainly disturbance. The pulser seems like a much more natural approach rather than forcing the water up in a sort of petrol engine approach. That is for the racing track rather than the stream and forest. The pulser might also be able to lift water higher. I was trying to work it out. thought it might be something to do with the weight of water going up between the air vs the quantity of pressure needed to displace the exit water and let the air out that way when more water is coming. I was thinking to try and get lots of air intake and the weight of the water going up with lots of air pockets isn't so great. it might be able to go up quite alot. Say you used an oil drum as the chamber. to displace the water with air would be a similar force possibly to trying to submerge a barrel of air. This is how like massive container ships weighing alot stay afloat. Anyway not sure exactly how it works I was thinking the chamber could be big but maybe it is more to do with the volume of water in the exit pool. I really have to try this out.
I know you're still working on this so I can offer some suggestions: A lower RPM motor at 110VDC will produce more volts at the same RPM as your test motor. For example I intend to use a 90V motor rated at 1800RPM, that will produce 12V @ 240RPM. A higher voltage will allow more more watts to be generated without surpassing your amps limitation of your motor. In your test of open flow I suspect you could have gotten more power but at a lower voltage and higher current than your jetted down tests simply because there was more gpm hitting the turbine.
Good info! I have not taken the time to get back out and work on these type projects lately. So wrapped up with the new house and baby that my mind has been a long way away. BUT I sure would like to get back to the water. I have two other DC motors that are better suited for this project. One of them I would like to use for a water wheel.
Land to House forgive me, but would a car alternator not work better? it is already set up to provide a constant voltage. I'm no electrician however. seems to me however if you are increasing the head on the water you will have the pressure to use a larger nozzle and get more mechanical force on your turbine. you could also further increase your pressure by running the water through 6 or 8 inch pipe untill the very end then progressively necking it down to a smaller size for further increase of water pressure and velocity. additional use use of multiple nozzles would also allow you to use further necked down nozzles for increased velocity while maintaining the GPM and amount of force that goes with it. been wanting to do a similar project for myself so have been investing a lot of thought into it.
A car alternator would be a lot better in this case. It would have to be rewired to be used as a DC generator but it would be good. A larger nozzle and a lot more pressure would be needed to make any real power.
Land to House yes rewiring it would work too. Didn't think about that, although I was thinking to use it for DC power to run to a battery bank and use an inverter from there for AC. At least that how I have figured on doing it. Using a battery bank would allow me some surge capacity allowing my usage to temporarily exceed my power generation.
+Richard Adrian storing the energy in batteries is definitely the way to go. Someday I would like to install the solar panels I have and start making some power with them. Those definitely have to have a battery storage
Hello sir, your videos are awesome. Can you please try making a jet at the waste valve and see how high it flows for a given drive head? And also check if there is a reduction in output
Their will be, major reductions, or losses, I.e most ram pumps are like 10% efficient(although completely free to run) you would most likely just get more off a water wheel an that small hose flowing freely
Hi, great videos! Why don't you try something else. You can send the water from the exaust valve to another ram pump and the water comming out of the 2 ram pumps can go to a closed tank( under pressure) and then from the tank you can send the water to a third pump. Try to generate electricity from the third pump! I am very curious what will hapen!
Consider this as well, when you reduced the nozzle size the second time, you may have increased the output pressure but you also throttled back the flow rate. Anyone else noticed that the pump slowed down on the first nozzle and it sounded like it was cavitation at times, but put out more voltage than the second nozzle that upped the pressure, but slowed the flow? I am going to hazard a guess that there is a point where the flow rate and pressure find an "equilibrium". Too big, and the pump can supply the volume (to a point) but not enough pressure. And, vice versa, with the smaller nozzle. Wonder what would happen if you had a larger supply with multiple, smaller, ram pumps to do the the job. For what it is, it's an excellent proof if concept, and probably would "work" on a small scale. Combine that, with some of the ideas that have been presented in the comments, if you are a tinkerer, see if you can scale it up. I wouldn't expect it to be 100% efficient at this point, but one never knows until one tries. K.I.S.S.
Have you tried to use the release valve output as an another nozle input for the pelton wheel?? Is lost energy in your actual setup. Also, since hydraulic power is propotional to the pressure times the flow... you must find the optimal aperture for the output valve to find the máximum power you can achieve in any setup, so the comparisson made with and without the ram pump is not completely right.
GREAT! Thumbs up! With a little water and enough pressure to spray from a nozzle, I thought about using tin cans not quite cut in half and pried open. Carefully cutting up one side and top of a can leaving the other side uncut and bending open the can to make two halves-- a "do-it-yourself pelton cup" Fastening a bunch of these homemade "pelton cups" around something which could be fastened directly to the shaft of a generator/alternator. With a generous spring or stream with a little more water and with a bit of drop to build pressure, I thought of taking 20 lb propane tanks and filling them with water to be sure there is no propane in them and then emptying the water and taking a right angle grinder with a cut-off wheel and cutting the propane tanks lengthwise, leaving one straight side uncut. When opened up this would make a large pelton cup. Done to about 8 or more propane tanks. Taking two steel automobile wheels and welding them together, then welding the opened propane tanks around the wheels making a large pelton wheel. The center of one of the 2 wheels welded together would need to be cut out to be able to get a ratchet in to tighten the lug nuts of the other wheel to a junked automobile hub/axle. Similar to this ruclips.net/video/BtCMuO3DVyE/видео.html Or instead of using the hub/axle of a junked auto, weld the propane "pelton wheel" to a large steel pipe and fit each end of the pipe through a large pillow block bearing.
That would be a large system. Those tanks would also be very heavy but should last a very long time. Would you have to paint them to prevent rust? The tin cans would be a much easier setup for testing.
@@LandtoHouse thank you for answering me asap Seth. I really do appreciate it very much mate! So that means we cant use it without an actual delivery pipe i guess! I though it would work just as it is (straight piping)!. My bad.! Thank you again mate!👍🏾🖤
I was thinking it would be more efficient for the ram pump to continually fill a cistern like that of a water tower then run your generating station down below a certain distance.
You cannot get any more energy out of your system than what's put into it. Five or six feet of head through a 1 and 1/4 inch pipe has a small but useful amount of energy in it. Especially if you charge a battery. Adding head, or flow, or better yet both will increase the energy you can get. A longer, or larger diameter pipe would help a lot. Anything that you put between the water source and the turbine/generator will reduce efficiency. A ram pump, gears, or a thousand nozzles can't get you any more power, it will actually reduce it through inefficiency. Different types of turbines are used for different applications. Reaction style turbines are typically used for lower head sites, while impulse style turbines are typically used in higher head sites. Five or six feet of head is too low for a Pelton wheel turbine to work properly. It's possibly too low for a turgo or even a Francis turbine. I would suggest a propeller turbine, or possibly a Banki. I applaud your effort trying to make in inexpensive Pelton wheel. That's more than what 99% of people have done. The Pelton cups take the water from One Direction and shoot it back out at almost a hundred eighty degrees, in other words back to almost where it came from. I don't think you can make that from PVC fittings. A bunch of spoons, or ladles possibly, but not PVC fittings. I'd like to suggest you take a 3 or 4 inch computer type fan, pop it apart and find the three solder terminals that go to the coils. Solder 3 wires there, and bring them to a three phase Bridge rectifier. (Or six diodes wired properly). Hook a load (resister?)to your DC output of the bridge rectifier, and measure you're volts, amps, and watts at that point. Make a tapered tube to seal the fan to the bottom of your inch and a quarter pipe. And see what happens. Good luck!
Just a thought, but by scaling up the Pelton wheel, it may be possible to use gear reduction to drive your motor at a higher speed to achieve increased electrical output.
I was thinking hte same thing. It makes no physical sense for there to be more energy in the water after it has gone through the ram pump, so using higher flow at lower pressure to turn a bigger wheel, which is geared to spin the motor faster might be the way to go. Suppose that requires more moving parts but might be worth looking at. Anyway, love your videos man.
+andrewford80 to me it seems best to user a good old fashioned water wheel if you have the head pressure of 7-10 feet. I have read that Pelton wheels are good when used with lots and lots of head pressure. Say 100 foot drop or more. Thanks for watching my videos! Most of them have been fun to make.
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Oh and btw can you try this on your Langston generator?😅 And see what you can get. The information will be very useful for everyone whether it may show unpleasant result. This it will be worth watching
Can you run more than 1 pump in the line? just thinking about gaining tip pressure to increase the RPM on the wheel....also that could over come LIFT issues if it were possible to run multiple in-line pumps
I have not tested this yet but I have a feeling that it would disrupt the pressure wave. Now you can have more than one pump running in the same creek. :)
Thanks for the reply sir....So why not try to add in a Centrifical type pump.. if they make one small enough to put in the line...One that might be driven by the pressure comming in. Also sir... what type of pump is that as far as Family group..(examples) positive displacement, centrifical, piston, Rotary vein..
The inline pump would be for generating power? The ram pump has a pressure wave that travels both up and down the drive pipe. I am not sure but that might affect the power made due to polarity issues. This motor was just an old treadmill motor. I am not sure of the specs.
Yes the weight and diameter of the wheel plus the number of spoons. I am actually just about to get into a Micro Hydro project. Probably in about two months. Should be awesome.
Your main problem is one of misapplication, your 7,000 rpm motor won't product enough volts to be useful at low rpm. if you had a 2,000 rpm motor it would do pretty well. Also a Delco 12 Si alternator with a PM field will be great for that application.
One question. I thought the water was just flowing down your spring through the pump. Were you using your Ram to pump water up high to produce pressure or was the pump being used to just deliver and control the water to the wheel?
Could you make a hydro Ram pump that would pump water up a 425 foot hill 80 slop what size pipe would a person need and what size hydro ram pump would need to be built. To bring water From bottom of hill to top of hill
Is the 425 feet horizontal distance or vertical lift? The ram pump has no problem lifting 80 feet but if your hill is 425 ft tall it is not able to do that
@@LandtoHouse Thank you for replying back yes I meant it would be straight up the hill at a 80 degree pitch I have a beautiful Branch at the very bottom of the hill has a lot of water in it I would just wish I had a way to get this water from the bottom of the holler up to the top to my off grid tiny home if you have any good ideas let me know And thank you for your time I sure do preciate it.
Thank you! I have met justin. Sadly he blew me off rather rudely. :/ in other news I am gathering the components needed for a real micro hydro generator! Should supply 300+ watts continually.
The Great Pyramid was both a Ram Pump and a Trompe. They used water pumped to the construction height to lift and move the stones and fill material.I have some videos that detail how this would work on my channel.
To generate 300, 800 and up to 5000 watts you need at least a height difference of 35 meters with a flow rate of close to 1 l / s, a permanent magnet generator of 4 poles and 1800 rpm, a 3/8 nozzle "You will also need a voltage inverter. This device is finally the one that will give you the power that you need, luck.
What can I say, with a small stepper motor I experimented recently, working with an open jet pressure of approximately 15 psi maybe more, in addition there was a height difference of 14 meters, use 1 inch pvc pipe, The nozzle that I used was of 5 mm of diameter approximately with this I could turn on 6 led bulbs of a contact for automobiles, the engine that I used it extracted of an old printer tell me if that helps you, excuse my English
let it scoop water from the outside of your water wheel it will have less resistance to push the water through the corner instead if slamming it into it I learned that trick using a hose and a bike tire the closer to the crest of the tire most towards the stream flow the slower the tire went.. I love physics.
Voltage means nothing. a finger (not even hand) operated lighter that has an electric spark system can generate thousands of volts. Calculate the watts and see how much ENERGy it produces.
Hello buddy, i am student with mechanical engineering major. Actually now i am doing my thesis which Designing and Creating mini Ram Pump as yours in the video. One Question, are you having any references such as e-book, journal, article or else abour ram pump in theory ? hopefully you can answer my question, and exactly this is very favor for me... before thanks
You might want to take a look at my smallest test ram pump. ruclips.net/video/HDOCHQ_XA6E/видео.html I do have a freen ebook on my website. It needs updating with new information but you might find some good info in it. www.landtohouse.com/rampump/
Those were some great experiments. I wonder about how much water was coming out of the 4 volt test after you reduced the flow volume. You know I don't have a lot of volume but with the steep land I have I can get lots of PSI. Thanks. Wouldn't it be neat to get 12 volts then hook it to a grid tie inverter and turn the meter backwards. :-)
Thank you! I did not test the volume of any of those. I do know that when I turned off the pump the water still came flowing out for a few seconds. This tells me that I could use a larger nozzle and still have pressure in the tank. It would be really nice to have that much voltage! I think its doable with a little more work and a much better wheel. Now once the batteries are attached to the motor it would slow it down a lot.
Use the delivery pipe to drive the water up, then run it straight down into the turbine with a smaller motor. The motor you are using requires too much torque to get started.
Land to House well brother I have made my first ram pump and it works! so thank you for all your hard work in this ram pump research. I will keep working on more pumps to try and spin my pelton wheel fast enough and with enough torque to spin a pmg for electricity.
Voltage is not power, you need to take readings on amps and you will see that no nozzle will give you the most amps. Then if you put a compatible load, you will see that it also has the most power.
Measuring voltage tells you nothing. You need to measure watts to determine how much power you can generate. It is a bit like determining the output of a ram pump purely from pressure when it is volume/time that matters.
lth, i think you think Correctly. duh. at a low-flow, low-head site, the ONLY choice is between the types of waterwheels. and that choice is a no-brainer. cheers
Not sure why you are measuring voltage when what you want to be measuring is watts or the rate work can be done. You are measuring voltage which is potential. Ideally you want all of the energy from the water to be transferred to the generator.
It would be more effecient if you were gear it up.have the same size grinding disk but attaching a big spocket on to it coming down to a smaller spocket on the shaft of the treadmill motor all connected with a bike chain and u will be suprised at the difference in voltage and amperage.. i made my first windturbine using a treadmill motor but instead of sprocket i used a v shaped pulleys 12 inch on the blades and 1.5 inch on the shaft of treadmill..
I'm guessing that's a water trough behind you , if so why not build a waterwheel large enough to spin a 5 horse generator . Success would depend on the amount of water your moving and or the distance the water falls before engaging your wheel .
Good start !!You obviously have a lot of water bypassing the system. That's power you can still harness. How much head do you have available? The further "up the creek" you can go the more head ( pressure ) you have to work with. When you turn on the ram pump you get higher pressure and therefore higher velocity, but at a much reduced flow rate and ultimately lower power ( volts times amps ) One thing I always forget is that at the output you want to have the water velocity at zero ( IE you have removed all of the available power ) With a Pelton wheel the spoon velocity should be half the water velocityI noticed you have what looks like a sluice behind you..
Bob Smoth Yes it was a fun try. I can get about 7 feet of head pressure here at the location of this ram pump. If I went up further than my property I could get another 7 feet. That is a flume/sluice. I have plans of working with that to make a little power sometime in the future. So many projects so little time.
That ram pump isn't doing anything....it's just the water running through the pipe witch is why the out,if you had taken the ram pump off and put the Nozzle on the end would do the same thing
I thought the branch In Front of Your Face was a crack on my screen. The screen which I just replaced today!.. I almost lost my sh*rt. Please put a little more effort into production. It makes a world of difference. People won't lose focus and stop listening. It's not helpful to them or you. Imagine it's right as you say "Like, Sub, Comment" or "Don't Do This Or You'll Die" or something. Keep making videos though please. Thank you!
This is awesome. I'll be setting up a ram pump and hydro on my operation net year. Keep us updated if you test again with another size motor.
the motor size should be selected for the specific install
Another issue you’re having here with your setup was using a high rpm motor. Try this again with a lower rpm motor say maybe the motor from a microwave turn table and you should have much better results
So like a motor with a gearbox?
A synchronous motor from microwave turn table won't last long or do much because it has plastic or nylon plastic which when turned faster than what it's made for will strip the gears but metal gears "might" last longer if the gears are machined not casted also a Pelton wheel that's made for micro hydro applications will give better results instead of 45° pvc angle elbows plus the motor used to generate electricity is a big factor.
instablaster...
I was wondering if I could use some spare power wheels 775 motors I have laying around... :)
Or have it go from a large water wheel down to the single phase 120v motor to increase RPM
What if you created a siphon off of a pond and ran that through a micro hydro generator, then captured that into a ram pump which took a percentage back uphill into the pond? Have you thought about this concept and would the percentage captured be worth adding the ram pump? thanks!
The amount of energy is dependent on the amount of water. You may get more free speed, IE unloaded voltage, out of the motor but if you put a small load on it, you would get more power out of the nozzle with the greatest flow.
Voltage here means nothing, You need to measure the amount of watts generated to get a true indication of the power generated> I'd suggest going to a lower voltage motor to start with so the RPM don't have to be as high to get useable current.
Keep going with it, looks like you have put a lot of work into your setup already, now you just need to fine tune it.
Hello and thank you for the input!
I actually just set this little test up just to see what would happen. A lower voltage motor would make some difference and I am sure adding lots more head would too! I will be testing out an archimedes screw turbine soon and I hope to use a ~1200 rpm motor instead of this 7000rpm. and I will be using the full creek. it would be nice to make close to 100w out of my creek.
I appreciate your watching and commenting.
True, but a nozzle can help put the turbine in a more efficient operating range. I think the motor isn't wired or ideal to be a generator, but if it is I think there's something that you might try; make the wheel smaller so you can achieve higher rpms.
It's all about efficiency. You only get as much potential energy to put into the system - the column of water. Full flow with no pump would support the most torque on the wheel I suppose.
+Land to House mount it on the stand with a belt to it so you can gear it up or down.
+Land to House the wheel actually looks pretty good, don't think you need to buy one
This is so cool.I have a big stream beside my house ,im gonna do this too :D
Ram pumps are so great. I am not sure how well they will work for making power but for pumping water it cant be beat.
The pulser pump looks better to me. It can take more flow and doesn't have any moving parts. The guy has some videos with quite impressive results. He doesn't have a stream anymore so other people need to develop it. He says about the vibrations caused by a ram pump and how they could cause harm to wildlife. This seems accurate to me for small things in the water those sort of vibrations could cause damage and certainly disturbance. The pulser seems like a much more natural approach rather than forcing the water up in a sort of petrol engine approach. That is for the racing track rather than the stream and forest. The pulser might also be able to lift water higher. I was trying to work it out. thought it might be something to do with the weight of water going up between the air vs the quantity of pressure needed to displace the exit water and let the air out that way when more water is coming. I was thinking to try and get lots of air intake and the weight of the water going up with lots of air pockets isn't so great. it might be able to go up quite alot. Say you used an oil drum as the chamber. to displace the water with air would be a similar force possibly to trying to submerge a barrel of air. This is how like massive container ships weighing alot stay afloat. Anyway not sure exactly how it works I was thinking the chamber could be big but maybe it is more to do with the volume of water in the exit pool. I really have to try this out.
Love the set up I think you can set up a parallel close circuit using a pulley type system with gears to generate more power output
Thank you for watching. I am actually going to make a real micro hydro turbine this summer. Should be a good series.
@@LandtoHouse I've surprisingly seen some for sale on the wish app for as low as 10$ not sure on the output tho. Lol
Rome was built in a day! Great inspirational!
Amazing and Cool!
I know you're still working on this so I can offer some suggestions: A lower RPM motor at 110VDC will produce more volts at the same RPM as your test motor. For example I intend to use a 90V motor rated at 1800RPM, that will produce 12V @ 240RPM. A higher voltage will allow more more watts to be generated without surpassing your amps limitation of your motor. In your test of open flow I suspect you could have gotten more power but at a lower voltage and higher current than your jetted down tests simply because there was more gpm hitting the turbine.
Good info! I have not taken the time to get back out and work on these type projects lately. So wrapped up with the new house and baby that my mind has been a long way away. BUT I sure would like to get back to the water. I have two other DC motors that are better suited for this project. One of them I would like to use for a water wheel.
Land to House forgive me, but would a car alternator not work better? it is already set up to provide a constant voltage. I'm no electrician however.
seems to me however if you are increasing the head on the water you will have the pressure to use a larger nozzle and get more mechanical force on your turbine. you could also further increase your pressure by running the water through 6 or 8 inch pipe untill the very end then progressively necking it down to a smaller size for further increase of water pressure and velocity. additional use use of multiple nozzles would also allow you to use further necked down nozzles for increased velocity while maintaining the GPM and amount of force that goes with it.
been wanting to do a similar project for myself so have been investing a lot of thought into it.
A car alternator would be a lot better in this case. It would have to be rewired to be used as a DC generator but it would be good. A larger nozzle and a lot more pressure would be needed to make any real power.
Land to House yes rewiring it would work too. Didn't think about that, although I was thinking to use it for DC power to run to a battery bank and use an inverter from there for AC. At least that how I have figured on doing it. Using a battery bank would allow me some surge capacity allowing my usage to temporarily exceed my power generation.
+Richard Adrian storing the energy in batteries is definitely the way to go. Someday I would like to install the solar panels I have and start making some power with them. Those definitely have to have a battery storage
Hello sir, your videos are awesome. Can you please try making a jet at the waste valve and see how high it flows for a given drive head? And also check if there is a reduction in output
Their will be, major reductions, or losses, I.e most ram pumps are like 10% efficient(although completely free to run) you would most likely just get more off a water wheel an that small hose flowing freely
wheres the link on your previous video?
Hi, great videos! Why don't you try something else. You can send the water from the exaust valve to another ram pump and the water comming out of the 2 ram pumps can go to a closed tank( under pressure) and then from the tank you can send the water to a third pump. Try to generate electricity from the third pump! I am very curious what will hapen!
Consider this as well, when you reduced the nozzle size the second time, you may have increased the output pressure but you also throttled back the flow rate. Anyone else noticed that the pump slowed down on the first nozzle and it sounded like it was cavitation at times, but put out more voltage than the second nozzle that upped the pressure, but slowed the flow? I am going to hazard a guess that there is a point where the flow rate and pressure find an "equilibrium". Too big, and the pump can supply the volume (to a point) but not enough pressure. And, vice versa, with the smaller nozzle. Wonder what would happen if you had a larger supply with multiple, smaller, ram pumps to do the the job. For what it is, it's an excellent proof if concept, and probably would "work" on a small scale. Combine that, with some of the ideas that have been presented in the comments, if you are a tinkerer, see if you can scale it up. I wouldn't expect it to be 100% efficient at this point, but one never knows until one tries. K.I.S.S.
Have you tried to use the release valve output as an another nozle input for the pelton wheel?? Is lost energy in your actual setup.
Also, since hydraulic power is propotional to the pressure times the flow... you must find the optimal aperture for the output valve to find the máximum power you can achieve in any setup, so the comparisson made with and without the ram pump is not completely right.
How could I use this to generate enough power to power a house? Could you do a video attempting this?
Or less you basically have a hydro dam you aren't gonna power you're house with a tiny set up like this
GREAT! Thumbs up! With a little water and enough pressure to spray from a nozzle, I thought about using tin cans not quite cut in half and pried open. Carefully cutting up one side and top of a can leaving the other side uncut and bending open the can to make two halves-- a "do-it-yourself pelton cup" Fastening a bunch of these homemade "pelton cups" around something which could be fastened directly to the shaft of a generator/alternator. With a generous spring or stream with a little more water and with a bit of drop to build pressure, I thought of taking 20 lb propane tanks and filling them with water to be sure there is no propane in them and then emptying the water and taking a right angle grinder with a cut-off wheel and cutting the propane tanks lengthwise, leaving one straight side uncut. When opened up this would make a large pelton cup. Done to about 8 or more propane tanks. Taking two steel automobile wheels and welding them together, then welding the opened propane tanks around the wheels making a large pelton wheel. The center of one of the 2 wheels welded together would need to be cut out to be able to get a ratchet in to tighten the lug nuts of the other wheel to a junked automobile hub/axle. Similar to this ruclips.net/video/BtCMuO3DVyE/видео.html Or instead of using the hub/axle of a junked auto, weld the propane "pelton wheel" to a large steel pipe and fit each end of the pipe through a large pillow block bearing.
That would be a large system. Those tanks would also be very heavy but should last a very long time. Would you have to paint them to prevent rust? The tin cans would be a much easier setup for testing.
how many nozzles could you have pointing at the pelton wheel, and how many water wheels could you put in a river?
This was just a very basic test and does not have much power. I have not looked into it any more than this one video.
Hi I’m just interested
The volume of the pressure tank would improve water flow
For example 5 gallon propane tank or similar
Thanks Brent
Question:
4v 21amps = 84watts?
2kw a day?
Is that what he was making?
Hello seth! I was wondering why the ram pump didn't start to cycle when using no nozzle? Please answer!
The ram pump needs backpressure on the tank to maintain cycling
@@LandtoHouse thank you for answering me asap Seth. I really do appreciate it very much mate! So that means we cant use it without an actual delivery pipe i guess! I though it would work just as it is (straight piping)!. My bad.! Thank you again mate!👍🏾🖤
This is nice source of electricity to save the environment...
ok so would a 3" ram pump supply more water as well as higher pressure to the nozzle if you had enough flow going into the drive pipe to fill it?
The 3" pump is likely going to supply a lot more water but I am not sure about the pressure.
Very good
hi ..can i ask? what is the size of that 90 degrees elbow?? that you used?? thank yoy
This was a fun test. I think those were 1" 45 degree fittings.
The head of an angle grinder has a gear ratio of about 2 1/2 :1 . One of those might get you to about 14 volts ?
I was thinking it would be more efficient for the ram pump to continually fill a cistern like that of a water tower then run your generating station down below a certain distance.
Use waste water on the pelton wheel from ram pump because waste water has kenitic energy and hammer effect on pelton wheel output power?
You cannot get any more energy out of your system than what's put into it. Five or six feet of head through a 1 and 1/4 inch pipe has a small but useful amount of energy in it. Especially if you charge a battery. Adding head, or flow, or better yet both will increase the energy you can get. A longer, or larger diameter pipe would help a lot.
Anything that you put between the water source and the turbine/generator will reduce efficiency. A ram pump, gears, or a thousand nozzles can't get you any more power, it will actually reduce it through inefficiency.
Different types of turbines are used for different applications. Reaction style turbines are typically used for lower head sites, while impulse style turbines are typically used in higher head sites. Five or six feet of head is too low for a Pelton wheel turbine to work properly. It's possibly too low for a turgo or even a Francis turbine. I would suggest a propeller turbine, or possibly a Banki.
I applaud your effort trying to make in inexpensive Pelton wheel. That's more than what 99% of people have done. The Pelton cups take the water from One Direction and shoot it back out at almost a hundred eighty degrees, in other words back to almost where it came from. I don't think you can make that from PVC fittings. A bunch of spoons, or ladles possibly, but not PVC fittings.
I'd like to suggest you take a 3 or 4 inch computer type fan, pop it apart and find the three solder terminals that go to the coils. Solder 3 wires there, and bring them to a three phase Bridge rectifier. (Or six diodes wired properly). Hook a load (resister?)to your DC output of the bridge rectifier, and measure you're volts, amps, and watts at that point.
Make a tapered tube to seal the fan to the bottom of your inch and a quarter pipe. And see what happens. Good luck!
Just a thought, but by scaling up the Pelton wheel, it may be possible to use gear reduction to drive your motor at a higher speed to achieve increased electrical output.
Very true! This was just an early test for sure but it seems like a valid means of making electricity. A solid mount and gears would help a lot. :)
I was thinking hte same thing. It makes no physical sense for there to be more energy in the water after it has gone through the ram pump, so using higher flow at lower pressure to turn a bigger wheel, which is geared to spin the motor faster might be the way to go.
Suppose that requires more moving parts but might be worth looking at. Anyway, love your videos man.
+andrewford80 to me it seems best to user a good old fashioned water wheel if you have the head pressure of 7-10 feet. I have read that Pelton wheels are good when used with lots and lots of head pressure. Say 100 foot drop or more.
Thanks for watching my videos! Most of them have been fun to make.
Great work Seth! THANK YOU!!!
Videos this summer about a micro hydro install!
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once the signal is made the system will turn on and
consume wast thermal energy from the
environment and space around you... there is free energy but
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a perfect spherical motion like a flower of life.. if ur home provides this use it as a Source
signal then u can simply stack the Transformers on top of eachother in correct fasion and note
that the 1 wire on the Transformer must stay connected and the other disconnected your only useing
1 wire on the hi side .. so test ur self
2 microwave transformer stacked on top of eachother same
face sides. one side 120 to the wall and the other 120 side to what u want to power and useing the
Transformer just the way it came out the microwave with the wire attached causes the energy in its
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should look a bit nuts with u use a form of wireless energy but its interacting with the
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Awesome videos!!
Thank you. Happy you like them.
Is there any specific name for the motor you using? Educational purposes..
Oh and btw can you try this on your Langston generator?😅 And see what you can get. The information will be very useful for everyone whether it may show unpleasant result. This it will be worth watching
How you make the wheel pls make vdo
what about a series of disks??? ala tesla???
Can you run more than 1 pump in the line? just thinking about gaining tip pressure to increase the RPM on the wheel....also that could over come LIFT issues if it were possible to run multiple in-line pumps
I have not tested this yet but I have a feeling that it would disrupt the pressure wave. Now you can have more than one pump running in the same creek. :)
Thanks for the reply sir....So why not try to add in a Centrifical type pump.. if they make one small enough to put in the line...One that might be driven by the pressure comming in. Also sir... what type of pump is that as far as Family group..(examples) positive displacement, centrifical, piston, Rotary vein..
The inline pump would be for generating power? The ram pump has a pressure wave that travels both up and down the drive pipe. I am not sure but that might affect the power made due to polarity issues. This motor was just an old treadmill motor. I am not sure of the specs.
thanks...... 30 yrs career FD and over 40 as a Vol FF...always liked playing with water sir.
It sure is fun getting in the water. Even if its just looking for animals with the kids. :)
1inch?? diameter hole??
thankyou somuch
wondering what size drive pipe and ft of head you had for this video thanks
+Douche Bahgk I was using a one and a quarter inch RAM pump and approximately 6 feet of head pressure.
Thanks
I have 0 background in this, but wouldn't the diameter of the disc affect the voltage output?
Yes the weight and diameter of the wheel plus the number of spoons. I am actually just about to get into a Micro Hydro project. Probably in about two months. Should be awesome.
Your main problem is one of misapplication, your 7,000 rpm motor won't product enough volts to be useful at low rpm. if you had a 2,000 rpm motor it would do pretty well. Also a Delco 12 Si alternator with a PM field will be great for that application.
One question. I thought the water was just flowing down your spring through the pump. Were you using your Ram to pump water up high to produce pressure or was the pump being used to just deliver and control the water to the wheel?
Actually I just had the ram pump working from the creek. Then I was using the output of the ram pump to run the nozzle.
In other words there was no tank or hight to add more pressure :)
Could you make a hydro Ram pump that would pump water up a 425 foot hill 80 slop what size pipe would a person need and what size hydro ram pump would need to be built. To bring water From bottom of hill to top of hill
Is the 425 feet horizontal distance or vertical lift? The ram pump has no problem lifting 80 feet but if your hill is 425 ft tall it is not able to do that
@@LandtoHouse Thank you for replying back yes I meant it would be straight up the hill at a 80 degree pitch I have a beautiful Branch at the very bottom of the hill has a lot of water in it I would just wish I had a way to get this water from the bottom of the holler up to the top to my off grid tiny home if you have any good ideas let me know And thank you for your time I sure do preciate it.
Verry good
why the results of the voltage value is small?
Stay tuned to the channel. I am installing a real micro hydro with a pelton wheel. 200v
@@LandtoHouse okay sir.
But how much it weighs a pelton turbine?
You’re just trading torque for speed. As soon as you put a load on that it would slow down significantly.
Love you idea you really should contact Justin Rhodes he needs something like this for his farm
Thank you! I have met justin. Sadly he blew me off rather rudely. :/ in other news I am gathering the components needed for a real micro hydro generator! Should supply 300+ watts continually.
The Great Pyramid was both a Ram Pump and a Trompe. They used water pumped to the construction height to lift and move the stones and fill material.I have some videos that detail how this would work on my channel.
I'm going to build a hydro for when I reach the top of the mountain (I mountain bike) and I'm going to 12-14 PSI, how much power could I get?
I have to be honest with you. I dont know much about micro hydro. I have just tested with 3 or 4 videos. I cant say what you would get from 14psi.
To generate 300, 800 and up to 5000 watts you need at least a height difference of 35 meters with a flow rate of close to 1 l / s, a permanent magnet generator of 4 poles and 1800 rpm, a 3/8 nozzle "You will also need a voltage inverter. This device is finally the one that will give you the power that you need, luck.
+William Martinez my little creek is not going to get anywhere close to that. I have a feeling I can get closer to 50w with my flow.
What can I say, with a small stepper motor I experimented recently, working with an open jet pressure of approximately 15 psi maybe more, in addition there was a height difference of 14 meters, use 1 inch pvc pipe, The nozzle that I used was of 5 mm of diameter approximately with this I could turn on 6 led bulbs of a contact for automobiles, the engine that I used it extracted of an old printer tell me if that helps you, excuse my English
power(watt)=7*Q(l/s)*H(metters) It's not exact but it gives you an idea.
let it scoop water from the outside of your water wheel it will have less resistance to push the water through the corner instead if slamming it into it I learned that trick using a hose and a bike tire the closer to the crest of the tire most towards the stream flow the slower the tire went.. I love physics.
+Anthony Morrison this really needs to have spoons with better angles. It was at least a fun test.
what makes it micro?
This would actually be a pico hydro system because it is less than 5kw.
Im enjoying playing like that also,
Your wheel is fine. u need a lowrpm alternator designed for wind turbines.
Someday I will return to this concept.
hello,i like the ideas you have.just a idea for ya,find motor with lower RPM
Voltage means nothing. a finger (not even hand) operated lighter that has an electric spark system can generate thousands of volts. Calculate the watts and see how much ENERGy it produces.
This was just a fun test. No real usable power was made.
Tarek Dinaji True Wattage.
pretty sure voltage in this case means something since he is using the same generator. He made more efficient use of the water flow.
I really like the idea. I think the only issue here is scale of everything that you're using needs to be matched generator size pump size Etc
This was just a fun test. Does not really make any usable power.
Hello buddy,
i am student with mechanical engineering major. Actually now i am doing my thesis which Designing and Creating mini Ram Pump as yours in the video.
One Question, are you having any references such as e-book, journal, article or else abour ram pump in theory ?
hopefully you can answer my question, and exactly this is very favor for me...
before thanks
You might want to take a look at my smallest test ram pump. ruclips.net/video/HDOCHQ_XA6E/видео.html
I do have a freen ebook on my website. It needs updating with new information but you might find some good info in it.
www.landtohouse.com/rampump/
Land to House thanks a lot bro 😉
try the pulser pump it is much better.
Those were some great experiments. I wonder about how much water was coming out of the 4 volt test after you reduced the flow volume. You know I don't have a lot of volume but with the steep land I have I can get lots of PSI. Thanks. Wouldn't it be neat to get 12 volts then hook it to a grid tie inverter and turn the meter backwards. :-)
Thank you! I did not test the volume of any of those. I do know that when I turned off the pump the water still came flowing out for a few seconds. This tells me that I could use a larger nozzle and still have pressure in the tank. It would be really nice to have that much voltage! I think its doable with a little more work and a much better wheel. Now once the batteries are attached to the motor it would slow it down a lot.
If you cut the wheel down smaller so that it does more revolutions you should be able to up your watts.
I am bringing back the idea of micro hydro here on the property. Check out my new videos and you will find the early research on the micro hydro.
You need a Heavier flywheel To bypass the magnets in the motor to cause less drag
This next summer I am planning a full micro hydro install. Should have at least 150 feet of head pressure and 30gpm. My goal is to have 500watts.
You can make two or thre rump pump in parallel position and connect to the one big tank,.. thene follow by Tesla turben as the forced of energy..
Use the delivery pipe to drive the water up, then run it straight down into the turbine with a smaller motor.
The motor you are using requires too much torque to get started.
Multiple ram pumps to tower. Then reduce reduce reduce to build pressure for speed and Then thru turbine
hi maybe you could use a hydrodynamic aim instead and enjoy a long fall
Try in Tesla turbine but, you can build a indoor rump pump power generator, in form of water cycle..
Using the wheel with no load is like free wheeling a car down a hill vs pulling a trailer up hill.
Interesting .
Perhaps the check-valves is too large a mass, requiring more water volume than the drive line can supply to open the valve.
Smaler diameter will get you higer rpm. But lees nm. That can be a salution
Yes, you should have just nozzled down the straight pipe first as a realistic comparison to the Ram. pump.
Adding gear head will drastically improve rpm=higher power....large wind turbines uses gears.
try hooking multiple pumps to one delivery pipe with nozzle and see how much power increases
I am thinking that it will be better to have the water from those pumps directly on the pelton without going through the ram pump.
Land to House well brother I have made my first ram pump and it works! so thank you for all your hard work in this ram pump research. I will keep working on more pumps to try and spin my pelton wheel fast enough and with enough torque to spin a pmg for electricity.
Nice! Its always good to hear that a ram pump is working.
Maybe try making look more like a spoon so it doesn't keep as much water on it
Use a low rpm generator. And if possible make more nozzles like a turgo turbine.
I think I would need more water for that.
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Kids, and that's why you never measure voltage on a generator that's not under load.
Yes so true. This was just a concept video. No load to even measure.
The water pressure a not enough o make the minimum rpm.
Yes. It was just a fun test.
Voltage is not power, you need to take readings on amps and you will see that no nozzle will give you the most amps. Then if you put a compatible load, you will see that it also has the most power.
I am in the early stages of setting up a real micro hydro generator. 20gpm and 120+ feet of head. Should be good.
Measuring voltage tells you nothing. You need to measure watts to determine how much power you can generate. It is a bit like determining the output of a ram pump purely from pressure when it is volume/time that matters.
lth, i think you think Correctly. duh. at a low-flow, low-head site, the ONLY choice is between the types of waterwheels. and that choice is a no-brainer. cheers
Not sure why you are measuring voltage when what you want to be measuring is watts or the rate work can be done. You are measuring voltage which is potential.
Ideally you want all of the energy from the water to be transferred to the generator.
This first test was just a chance to see if the small amount of water would turn that motor. Nothing fancy.
It would be more effecient if you were gear it up.have the same size grinding disk but attaching a big spocket on to it coming down to a smaller spocket on the shaft of the treadmill motor all connected with a bike chain and u will be suprised at the difference in voltage and amperage.. i made my first windturbine using a treadmill motor but instead of sprocket i used a v shaped pulleys 12 inch on the blades and 1.5 inch on the shaft of treadmill..
Put this wheel into your 4 nozzel system
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Haha just playing around.
If u didn’t cut the 90 degree and close it from the rear I think would b faster 👍🏾
I hope to make some more hydro videos like this in the summer of 2022. Should be fun.
I'm guessing that's a water trough behind you , if so why not build a waterwheel large enough to spin a 5 horse generator . Success would depend on the amount of water your moving and or the distance the water falls before engaging your wheel .
Yes water wheel was a plan of mine. Lately I have been working on life not so much water power goals. One day...
totally different scenario under load. amount of water * pressure = power
+WickedEngineer I figured there was not a lot if power there. Someday I will try a real Pelton wheel.
Good start !!You obviously have a lot of water bypassing the system. That's power you can still harness. How much head do you have available? The further "up the creek" you can go the more head ( pressure ) you have to work with. When you turn on the ram pump you get higher pressure and therefore higher velocity, but at a much reduced flow rate and ultimately lower power ( volts times amps ) One thing I always forget is that at the output you want to have the water velocity at zero ( IE you have removed all of the available power ) With a Pelton wheel the spoon velocity should be half the water velocityI noticed you have what looks like a sluice behind you..
Bob Smoth Yes it was a fun try. I can get about 7 feet of head pressure here at the location of this ram pump. If I went up further than my property I could get another 7 feet. That is a flume/sluice. I have plans of working with that to make a little power sometime in the future. So many projects so little time.
Ram pump it up to wayer tower then thru hydro power
There is about 25 feet of lift to the new water tower. Not sure that would give much power.
Get yourself pushbike hub dynamo and use it instead of that
+robert bautista that would work. There are several Motors that would be better than the one I was testing with
Looking forward to see more of you bright idea
tried a Tesla turbine jet?
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The set up is wrong. You might try to cut them on the other side.
I actually have a real Micro Hydro series coming out in a month or so. 150 foot of head pressure 20 gallons a minute
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Thank you for watching.
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you forgot to attach a load
That ram pump isn't doing anything....it's just the water running through the pipe witch is why the out,if you had taken the ram pump off and put the Nozzle on the end would do the same thing
You said 120volts then said it a DC motor ,, 120volts is AC power
For the love of leather, get some gumboots!
Just got some.... years later.
use a dishwasher drain pump.
I would like to have one of those.
I thought the branch In Front of Your Face was a crack on my screen. The screen which I just replaced today!..
I almost lost my sh*rt.
Please put a little more effort into production.
It makes a world of difference. People won't lose focus and stop listening. It's not helpful to them or you.
Imagine it's right as you say "Like, Sub, Comment" or "Don't Do This Or You'll Die" or something.
Keep making videos though please. Thank you!