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@@Mongoose-ct6us what specifically makes him smart? The desire to receive free money? HOW is that intelligent? UBI is modern communism, and we already know how that ends.
how much time would you spend working compared to teaching/playing with your daughter? I ask, because I worry I would spend 100% with my non-existing daughter if I could. At this moment I am not able to afford a kid and so I do not have any. Money is the only blocking point.
@@straaths I can emphasize with you. Personally I think you're never really ready. My wife wanted to wait until she done with college. But then wait until she gets a job. Then wait for... there's always something to wait for. But you will know when it is time I think.
"If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality." - Stephen Hawking
@@geraldbennett7035Free market fundamentalism gave us a weakened middle class, and it will eventually decay into feudalism. Don’t misdiagnose the problem.
I really don't like how all "possible bad outcomes" are all presumable, rigid, based on reality and aarming. How the majority of the benefits are always presented as "I think that it can be great in a lot of ways", "has a good potential for good things that we don't even know yet", "will be awesome, can't even imagine how it will change peoples live". Is like someone selling a crappy product with visible flaws and unkwon potential unicorn benefits.
@@Yamagatabr I concur! He sounded like his buddy, Zuckerberg. Revenge of the Super Nerds over everyone - especially those who are only slightly less nerdy who will bc Welfare Queens or toadie "tech interpreters" for politicians. WEF goal of a depopulated Earth is coming true.
UBI makes very much sense. First it will enable people to work less in ONE certain field. They can just afford to be more flexible. And if you can do a job for 10 hours a week, which you normally do not like very much it becomes much more bearable. Which would lead to people being more open to certain jobs, which could require more personal. This will let us naturally go from work as a must to working as much as you want while being well off materially and then working less and working as much as you can find a job to work in, to almost not working at all. Which will lead to us working for ourselves, for personal growth and personal development and development of society. It will be great.
UBI is enticing if the people who control it are good people and AGI has not usurped your market value. If you have nothing to give in exchange to the people who give out the UBI and they give it out because they are being nice you, you are essentially a pet. A pet who disagrees with their owner and acts against them gets cut off from UBI or put down. If UBI is the only way you can live in a post AGI world then the threat of loosing it will be used to control you.
@@chase1443 The threat of losing your job is being used to control you. Try to go somewhere and apply and openly say you hate rainbow people. This is what we have today already. UBI is supposed to NOT be dependent on circumstances. Your right to take land and live there build a house in the woods has been taken already. How do you survive without a job? Not at all. So your employment is being used to control you. And you don't have a right to take an alternative route. UBI is an alternative route since it makes it a basic right to have something again. It is a step forward
@@robbarber7253 Well jobs will become more skilled but the rest will go the opposite what you said, prices will come down after they go way up first, wages will go wayy down for most jobs and certain jobs will go way up, I don’t know about work loads that probably depends
“Hey Bill, we know that we had your job replaced by AI and you can’t support your family on less than $4k a month, but here’s a measly $900 a month from us. Now don’t ask any questions and be happy.”
You can reduce a lot of governmental overhead simply by abolishing current fragmented social support systems and replace them all with UBI. Paying everyone is actually cheaper than sustaining numerous, outdated welfare systems and their administrators, this is a win/win for everyone. And uncontrolled inflation is not inevitable under UBI if legistaltive bodies take appropriate actions to mitigate it, there are numerous approaches that can be taken.
you are naive if you think politicians will want this utopia to happen. look what happened in france, and they say france is US oldest ally. politicians dont care even if you riot for weeks, they rather see you starve than making everybody prosper. even if eventually they implement UBI, it will be just garbage money that will be enough to pay rent and buy cheap meals. once you want to travel or enjoy a bit more luxurious life, no way politicians will give you free money to do that. not to mention developing countries will ask for compensation for job loss too, and we will have the absolute worst migrant crisis ever if their UBI is much less than our UBI
Private insurance is like over a thousand a month, and that doesn’t cover most of the extra cost. They have to fix the greedy medical system in general for what u are saying to work.
@@frankjamesbonarrigo7162 Yes, UBI is just part of the solution. The government funds healthcare and education, why cant they also have a say in how its run? The govt should tell both healthcare providers and public universities that if they dont get their admin ratios in check, no more funding. If they continue to blow money on pointless amenities for rich jocks, no more funding.
Ubi would be needed for many that shall be effected. Being it would not just be Hamberger jobs lost. Most of today's better paying jobs are a collection of paper pushers and data entry. And shall be the easiest to replace with AI. Automation has been doing that very same effect on many manual labor jobs. I do not believe that most people understand the true effects this will have until it is to late. Up to and including a consumer-based economy. Perhaps they shall just use the same mind set as before learn to code.
@@SeanKula Exactly. Coding will 100% be replaced by AI. It keeps learning and it’s only been a few months that the public has really had theirs hands on AI…
Automation is great it can't come soon enough. People used to worry about machines back in the industrial revolution. Today we have more food than we know what to do with.
According to OpenAI research, vulnerability to replacement by AI goes _up_ with education level, with a slight downturn at the postgraduate level. ruclips.net/video/f3o1MW2G5Rs/видео.html
I hope most jobs become automated all at once so that the government is forced into giving people ubi, otherwise with a 20-30% unemployment rate they might just ignore much of the poverty.
They are pushing climate change to bleed people, everything u do and need requires carbon. They push feminism because dont want people breeding..look at the marriage and birth rates. Single mothers raise dependents not independent people amd most kids in single mother homes. They want less people and as assetless and powerless as possible so put up with anything.
UBI is enticing if the people who control it are good people and AGI has not usurped your market value. If you have nothing to give in exchange to the people who give out the UBI and they give it out because they are being nice you, you are essentially a pet. A pet who disagrees with their owner and acts against them gets cut off from UBI or put down. If UBI is the only way you can live in a post AGI world then the threat of loosing it will be used to control you.
@@alovidya This is not anarchy. Politicians still have their positions of power and authority therefore it's not anarchy. Anarchy means nobody has power over another.
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa Apart from the free homes that's the situation in most European countries. And social mobility (i.e. the American Dream) is much bigger here.
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa Don't forget the famines, genocides, gulags, censorship, complete lack of freedom and rights, political and religious persecution, and mass execution of dissidents.
Personally, I love the idea of UBI. I actually crave it! To be freed to work on my own projects 100% would be so nice, and to be freed from having to worry about the basic necessities. I feel like it'd be such a weight off my shoulders. I think, for some, having no work will be a recipe for depression and apathy, so we need to think of everybody. For myself, I can imagine myself still doing some voluntary work, or some gardening or something, just so that I can keep a semblence of the feeling of work where I interact with and help others, but at least it will be my choice.
UBI is enticing if the people who control it are good people and AGI has not usurped your market value. If you have nothing to give in exchange to the people who give out the UBI and they give it out because they are being nice you, you are essentially a pet. A pet who disagrees with their owner and acts against them gets cut off from UBI or put down. If UBI is the only way you can live in a post AGI world then the threat of loosing it will be used to control you.
The mind was in many ways the last reason humans needed to work. What can a human do better than a machine? Be strong? We lost that edge to machines ages ago. Be nimble? We're rapidly losing the fight. Once we crack AI, there will be nothing. It's within our collective power to build the tools to retire the world. How do you organize this effort? I don't know. Good luck us!
The only people who dont want ubi are the people who were born into rich families is something I have noticed. All of my friends who are born into rich families and have massive safety nets think its terrible and all of my middle to poor friends thinks it would help them to take stress away and let them focus on studying what they are passionate about. I have also noticed self made rich guys are actually really for UBI.
New society will form with AI in less than 10 years mark my words, I bet even AI government could exist and replace humans so its incorruptible, fair and right that only wants the best for humanity, but that's ofc just my best case scenario.
@@green_crow-b9v revolt for what? To work even so there no point in working anymore? U do understand what I mean by no need for market right? It mean all service are valueless because of ai basically free.
@@rushyscoper1651 good luck with that,you are assuming that the trasitional Moment Will not exist and corporation are going to give everything for free
@@green_crow-b9v our whole system is based on services if services became free, as free of cost then the whole system gonna be useless. that true even for companies u still assuming under our current system of how companies gonna act in different system.
That really didn't say very much. I do not believe that getting rid of poverty is achievable, but I do believe there is a simple answer to improving our situation.
I mean the problem with the reasoning used by alot of people with UBI is its based on the job market in places like the US, when the majority of poverty takes places in countries where businesses would not profit by replacing their workers, the only time that AI/Robotics can replace a workforce is when the workforce demands more money than the robotics would cost. keep in mind that around 70% of poverty in the entire world, takes place within the african continent
@@内田朝陽-e6h Yes, I was born in Zimbabwe. Since UBI is universal [meaning the whole world] that is what I am considering. My reply is not based merely on robotics or mechanization. I do not believe that getting rid of poverty is achievable is because of our insistence on inflation to achieve economic growth. I consider this insistence a weakness. Robotics would never replace the workforce without it.
The UBI topic is as old as time itself. All one needs to do is imagine an up and coming technology that made many jobs redundant and proceed to prescribe some sort of governmental aid. If they have cars what are the horse carriage drivers going do? If they invented the common freezer/refrigeration, where would the ice packers going to do? If we can listen and download any media at our fingertips, what are we going to do with people working at the radio?
But this isn't about one tech replacing a couple jobs in one sector, it has the potential to replace 90% of people across the whole spectrum, except perhaps pure manual labor job and technician jobs. Some sooner, some later, and all within the next decade, or even faster. You think we can pivot to these new mythical jobs [that no one knows the name of yet] that fast?
@@chungang7037 exactly. Those previous inventions like the car, computer, refrigerator etc were too small on their effect on human ability, they just simply increased human productively as we switched to those new forms of doing things. AI like ChatGPT are fundamentally replacing large parts of human thinking, like cognition and reasoning and doing what humans can do, except better and much much faster. The ramifications are huge
@@teamtoken Yea. So many think their jobs are safe or that the fears over AI are about terminators coming for us, instead its about automation and CEOs at this moment wondering how they can cut 50% of more of their employees.
@@kris3451 Yea, even as covid was becoming a thing a lot of instructors and teachers were concerned that online education at the high school and uni level could change radically if those in charge realized that results and grades could be achieved without a classroom. We all know very few care about quality education, or even interested in debating it. Thankfully there was some push back, but only because a lot of education is basically babysitting, a bit of gatekeeping with grades, and waiting for people to grow up and enter the workforce they qualified for. But now, as you said, there is potential for true upheaval. I am already hearing about how a uni class could have video lectures/assignments AND an AI assistant to respond to students and fix grammar/give feedback etc and maybe one professor/instructor for ten times the amount of students they could handle before. That is only the industry I know, one has to wonder what is happening in other sectors of the job market. It frankly is quite terrifying.
@@chungang7037 Crazy thing is, even a lot of manual labor jobs will probably start disappearing in 20 years due to the development of humanoid robots. Obviously, this will happen much later than jobs that can be replaced by software but it will happen. My guess is that service jobs will be the last to go, especially ones that require lot human to human interaction like hair stylists, nurses, therapists, etc...
What are we to do. Don't give them money while they are out of a job? Maybe give them money if they make other people happy XD if society's gonna post-scarcity.
@@_____case Yeah, everything will be automated and we're all going to be eating and fucking seven days a week. I mean the AI might as well do space colonization for us and mine elements in space in 20 years too; you have a naive view on how the world works.
@@_____case AI will not end the human race biologically, it will cause an economic collapse of an unimaginable scale. People will think they don't have to work at all, then there will be an immense labor shortage and people will kill and steal just to survive.
UBI is enticing if the people who control it are good people and AGI has not usurped your market value. If you have nothing to give in exchange to the people who give out the UBI and they give it out because they are being nice you, you are essentially a pet. A pet who disagrees with their owner and acts against them gets cut off from UBI or put down. If UBI is the only way you can live in a post AGI world then the threat of loosing it will be used to control you.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." ― George Bernard Shaw.
What if every American over 20 years of age gets as many thousands per year and increasing $1,000 with every birthday? That way, someone who is 80 is guaranteed 80K per year when they need it most for healthcare, housing, etc. Perhaps eliminate those who make over a certain amount along with other restrictions. AND adults get birthday's back!! 🎂😃💸
Why does Sam talk like this now, with vocal fry? Is this a power move? To show he can't be bothered to inject emotion, intonation, or inflection in interviews? He didn't talk like this when he interviewed Elon Musk for Y Combinator.
AI will only replace important jobs in first world countries, as for Cobalt mines in africa or slave workshops in certain countries im not going to name, AI will not replace these people as it is not profitable for them to replace what is essentially free labor with million dollar machines, so the idea of UBI is pretty flawed and only really fits the perspective of a first world country.
Everybody is underestimating AI and there's already tons of resistance inside most offices. It's going to start when users and decision makers are able to help themselves without human tech support, analyst and developers. The next event is when companies notice and compare the impact, savings, productivity and competitive edge of adopting AI vs not. But it's when they let AI assess performance, productivity and organization that the real blood bath will start. My biggest concern is that Governments won't be ready to respond to the revolution and sabotage that will ensue. There are so many policies in place to artificially limit the measurement of performance and protect the worker that AIs won't even be allowed to report honest performance numbers in many segments. Let's face it there are so many BS jobs out there where people just mix the crap every day and serve it like fresh cookies. Humans have a short attention span, are generally non-confrontational and most Managers just take the high road. Few managers are honestly measuring, comparing and holding staff accountable putting into place any real value system. Most offices are fat, old and slow and deliver nothing but confusion, complexity and excuses. AI watching the store is going to ROCK the Human Resource sooner than we all expect.
@@_____case total supply of the USD will never stay constant. even the fed admit they have unlimited supply of printing machine. they rather go to war than giving away their influence through the dollar. look at libya
Really? It seems to work all the time. The amount of handouts corporations get is insane. Socialism for corporations works all the time...they seem perfectly happy to take your tax dollars and spend it on...what, another yacht? But, god forgive, giving it to an individual and...well they're just lazy good for nothing...yada yada...
I agree in away, we'll just have to find something else besides work, since most of it will be automated. Leaving people to starve would be inhumane, not to mention the mayhem
@@rslongshot7453 I live in Croatia, in South-East Europe. Standard here is way lower than in US, you can see by rent prices where average apartment is 400 to 500 € ( or $..conversion is almost 1 to 1 ) and as far as i know you cant find anything for that price in US. So..even here $500 a month is laughable low...
When there is way less demand then there is supply for jobs, it is inevitable. You realise how much AI will automate task, speed up tasks and reduce costs for businesses? What took first 10 employees can soon be done by one employee (given this employee mastered additional AI skills in their field). It's common sense, AI will likely replace 80% of the jobs in the future, the richer get richer and the poorer get poorer by this technology.
@@Marshallizer If you honestly believe that you know nothing about economics. What do you think happens when you suddenly give everyone "free money"? Didnt the "pandemic" teach you anything? "But we're not printing it" no but we are taxing it. Who are we taxing? Ourselves? Not that either? So the evil rich that owns much of the production? Sounds a lot like communism to me. And to believe that we can either tax ourselves for UBI or tax "the rich" (without it having the same effect on the economy) is not just delusion but utter retardation. Same sort of retardation that has gotten hundreds of million killed. I find you ideologists disgusting.
Cushion? "There is nothing more permanent than a temporary government program." Huge respect for what he's achieved in the realm of business and AI. Why doesn't he respond the same way on this topic as he did about aligning AI with huma s through trials and iterations. UBI has already been tried. Finland is the classic case. Massive failure.
You missed the point. Finland killed the UBI program after the trial. It didn't work. It didn't achieve ANY of the objectives, in fact , the opposite. Maybe you should convince Finnish Govenment to try again with your superior Methodology.
It s tough to get around the perception in many peoples minds that UBI rewards the lazy while hurting those that work and make things work. I say we need to do something like UBI recipients dont get a vote, or their vote counts for half or something like that. There has to be a deterrent outside of just the social stigma which will just deepen the class divides.
it's not really 'universal' if you opt in. Part of the idea is that it would cost more in bureaucratic overhead to 'means-test' everyone than to just give everyone the same amount IIRC. The idea of being 'less of a citizen' in order to get what, by the very nature of the policy itself implies is deserved for all, defeats the purpose.
There doesn't need to be a deterrent to UBI. People like to work. People like to busy themselves with things that matter to them and interest them. With UBI, folks don't need to spend their time working a job they don't like in order to survive, and they can instead work at other endeavors.
UBI is enticing if the people who control it are good people and AGI has not usurped your market value. If you have nothing to give in exchange to the people who give out the UBI and they give it out because they are being nice you, you are essentially a pet. A pet who disagrees with their owner and acts against them gets cut off from UBI or put down. If UBI is the only way you can live in a post AGI world then the threat of loosing it will be used to control you.
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Was Soviet socialism unstoppable where everyone got the same housing, health and education (for free)
I'd be more than happy to work on my own projects and get ubi. Spend time with my daughter and family.
I wish more people were as smart as you.
@@Mongoose-ct6us what specifically makes him smart? The desire to receive free money? HOW is that intelligent? UBI is modern communism, and we already know how that ends.
how much time would you spend working compared to teaching/playing with your daughter? I ask, because I worry I would spend 100% with my non-existing daughter if I could. At this moment I am not able to afford a kid and so I do not have any. Money is the only blocking point.
@@straaths I wish more people were as smart as you.
@@straaths I can emphasize with you. Personally I think you're never really ready. My wife wanted to wait until she done with college. But then wait until she gets a job. Then wait for... there's always something to wait for. But you will know when it is time I think.
"If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality." - Stephen Hawking
“It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.” - Mark Fisher
@@smartjackasswisdom1467 the end of capitalism.. it will be the end of the world (mean.. countries)
Wrong. The free market will provide jobs if you dont throttle it with progressivism
@@geraldbennett7035God you are stupid
@@geraldbennett7035Free market fundamentalism gave us a weakened middle class, and it will eventually decay into feudalism. Don’t misdiagnose the problem.
I really don't like how all "possible bad outcomes" are all presumable, rigid, based on reality and aarming. How the majority of the benefits are always presented as "I think that it can be great in a lot of ways", "has a good potential for good things that we don't even know yet", "will be awesome, can't even imagine how it will change peoples live". Is like someone selling a crappy product with visible flaws and unkwon potential unicorn benefits.
THEN he comes up with "I started a coin" and "we founded a great study for what may be a benefit" FFKSSSS it doesnt even have ANY good conclusion yet.
@@Yamagatabr I concur! He sounded like his buddy, Zuckerberg. Revenge of the Super Nerds over everyone - especially those who are only slightly less nerdy who will bc Welfare Queens or toadie "tech interpreters" for politicians. WEF goal of a depopulated Earth is coming true.
UBI makes very much sense. First it will enable people to work less in ONE certain field. They can just afford to be more flexible. And if you can do a job for 10 hours a week, which you normally do not like very much it becomes much more bearable. Which would lead to people being more open to certain jobs, which could require more personal. This will let us naturally go from work as a must to working as much as you want while being well off materially and then working less and working as much as you can find a job to work in, to almost not working at all. Which will lead to us working for ourselves, for personal growth and personal development and development of society. It will be great.
UBI is enticing if the people who control it are good people and AGI has not usurped your market value. If you have nothing to give in exchange to the people who give out the UBI and they give it out because they are being nice you, you are essentially a pet. A pet who disagrees with their owner and acts against them gets cut off from UBI or put down. If UBI is the only way you can live in a post AGI world then the threat of loosing it will be used to control you.
@@chase1443 The threat of losing your job is being used to control you. Try to go somewhere and apply and openly say you hate rainbow people. This is what we have today already. UBI is supposed to NOT be dependent on circumstances. Your right to take land and live there build a house in the woods has been taken already. How do you survive without a job? Not at all. So your employment is being used to control you. And you don't have a right to take an alternative route. UBI is an alternative route since it makes it a basic right to have something again. It is a step forward
UBI is a must especially after the AI progress
Nope. Prices will come down, work loads will decrease, wages will go up. Jobs will become more skill based.
@@robbarber7253 Well jobs will become more skilled but the rest will go the opposite what you said, prices will come down after they go way up first, wages will go wayy down for most jobs and certain jobs will go way up, I don’t know about work loads that probably depends
@@ThanosFrl nope wrong
@@robbarber7253 can’t reply to that it doesn’t contain arguments
@@ThanosFrl and yours did?
"What do you plan to do with all that money?" "Pay the people who's jobs we eliminated to behave."
lol
“Hey Bill, we know that we had your job replaced by AI and you can’t support your family on less than $4k a month, but here’s a measly $900 a month from us. Now don’t ask any questions and be happy.”
@@rslongshot7453 You will own nothing and be happy
@@chungang7037 The WEF special.
You can reduce a lot of governmental overhead simply by abolishing current fragmented social support systems and replace them all with UBI. Paying everyone is actually cheaper than sustaining numerous, outdated welfare systems and their administrators, this is a win/win for everyone. And uncontrolled inflation is not inevitable under UBI if legistaltive bodies take appropriate actions to mitigate it, there are numerous approaches that can be taken.
you are naive if you think politicians will want this utopia to happen. look what happened in france, and they say france is US oldest ally. politicians dont care even if you riot for weeks, they rather see you starve than making everybody prosper.
even if eventually they implement UBI, it will be just garbage money that will be enough to pay rent and buy cheap meals. once you want to travel or enjoy a bit more luxurious life, no way politicians will give you free money to do that.
not to mention developing countries will ask for compensation for job loss too, and we will have the absolute worst migrant crisis ever if their UBI is much less than our UBI
Private insurance is like over a thousand a month, and that doesn’t cover most of the extra cost. They have to fix the greedy medical system in general for what u are saying to work.
More like a win/win for CEOS.
If funded by taxes, UBI wont lead to inflation since its a money transfer rather than adding new money to the money supply.
@@frankjamesbonarrigo7162 Yes, UBI is just part of the solution. The government funds healthcare and education, why cant they also have a say in how its run?
The govt should tell both healthcare providers and public universities that if they dont get their admin ratios in check, no more funding. If they continue to blow money on pointless amenities for rich jocks, no more funding.
Human greed would cancel out any ubi
money is not the solution to poverty. smart people are some of the dumbest people when it comes to seeing reality
Ubi would be needed for many that shall be effected. Being it would not just be Hamberger jobs lost. Most of today's better paying jobs are a collection of paper pushers and data entry. And shall be the easiest to replace with AI. Automation has been doing that very same effect on many manual labor jobs. I do not believe that most people understand the true effects this will have until it is to late. Up to and including a consumer-based economy. Perhaps they shall just use the same mind set as before learn to code.
Until coding gets automated
@@SeanKula even if it doesn't get automated the value of a the moderately skilled (and below) programmers definitely dropped.
@@SeanKula Exactly. Coding will 100% be replaced by AI. It keeps learning and it’s only been a few months that the public has really had theirs hands on AI…
Automation is great it can't come soon enough. People used to worry about machines back in the industrial revolution. Today we have more food than we know what to do with.
According to OpenAI research, vulnerability to replacement by AI goes _up_ with education level, with a slight downturn at the postgraduate level. ruclips.net/video/f3o1MW2G5Rs/видео.html
I hope most jobs become automated all at once so that the government is forced into giving people ubi, otherwise with a 20-30% unemployment rate they might just ignore much of the poverty.
They are pushing climate change to bleed people, everything u do and need requires carbon. They push feminism because dont want people breeding..look at the marriage and birth rates. Single mothers raise dependents not independent people amd most kids in single mother homes. They want less people and as assetless and powerless as possible so put up with anything.
They wouldn't and couldn't ignore stagnant 20% unemployment rate.
how stupid. Its pure rot.
UBI is enticing if the people who control it are good people and AGI has not usurped your market value. If you have nothing to give in exchange to the people who give out the UBI and they give it out because they are being nice you, you are essentially a pet. A pet who disagrees with their owner and acts against them gets cut off from UBI or put down. If UBI is the only way you can live in a post AGI world then the threat of loosing it will be used to control you.
Anything humanity touches it corrupts. There is no way to make the world perfect for everyone. We're like parasites
That doesn't mean we can't make it much better than it is now... Or at least give it our best effort
@@nnemieime3307 That will never happen. Keep dreaming.
@@rslongshot7453 I dont dream of a better world, i dream of the day we start believing and fighting for one. Whether we win that war is irrelevant
@@nnemieime3307 I’m with you on that. We’ll see though. Too many people are distracted and can’t see that we’re not each other’s true enemies.
There's no jobs for everyone and will be even less. They got to do this or anarchy will come soon.
yes it is inevitable
Anarcho-transhumanism Is the way to go,they Will not help anyone regardless
@@gordonfrimann246Is universal basic income inevitable though?
No, this IS anarchy.
@@alovidya This is not anarchy. Politicians still have their positions of power and authority therefore it's not anarchy. Anarchy means nobody has power over another.
Ubi right now, ssi , is 740 a month and you can’t own anything of value. I doubt the government is going to ever do this
Soviet union give free home , educational , and healthcare . massive subsidies for bread and public transport. and the public can still innovate
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa all of that and a sprinkle of famine with secret police as the cherry on top
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa Apart from the free homes that's the situation in most European countries. And social mobility (i.e. the American Dream) is much bigger here.
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa Don't forget the famines, genocides, gulags, censorship, complete lack of freedom and rights, political and religious persecution, and mass execution of dissidents.
@@ussocom3644basically american propaganda
Personally, I love the idea of UBI. I actually crave it! To be freed to work on my own projects 100% would be so nice, and to be freed from having to worry about the basic necessities. I feel like it'd be such a weight off my shoulders.
I think, for some, having no work will be a recipe for depression and apathy, so we need to think of everybody. For myself, I can imagine myself still doing some voluntary work, or some gardening or something, just so that I can keep a semblence of the feeling of work where I interact with and help others, but at least it will be my choice.
UBI is enticing if the people who control it are good people and AGI has not usurped your market value. If you have nothing to give in exchange to the people who give out the UBI and they give it out because they are being nice you, you are essentially a pet. A pet who disagrees with their owner and acts against them gets cut off from UBI or put down. If UBI is the only way you can live in a post AGI world then the threat of loosing it will be used to control you.
The mind was in many ways the last reason humans needed to work. What can a human do better than a machine? Be strong? We lost that edge to machines ages ago. Be nimble? We're rapidly losing the fight. Once we crack AI, there will be nothing. It's within our collective power to build the tools to retire the world. How do you organize this effort? I don't know. Good luck us!
The only people who dont want ubi are the people who were born into rich families is something I have noticed. All of my friends who are born into rich families and have massive safety nets think its terrible and all of my middle to poor friends thinks it would help them to take stress away and let them focus on studying what they are passionate about. I have also noticed self made rich guys are actually really for UBI.
Eliminate poverty now thank you. Humane solutions are true solutions to throw humanity into a brand new golden age and enlightenment era !
The problem with UBI is that once implemented the government owns you lock, stock and barrel.
eeeh no, I am sure the goverment would be happy not to pay you if you want to opt out.
New society will form with AI in less than 10 years mark my words, I bet even AI government could exist and replace humans so its incorruptible, fair and right that only wants the best for humanity, but that's ofc just my best case scenario.
I mean welfare already exists. UBI is the same except you get to choose what to do with the money.
@@frenzy_wave Lol nice fairytale.
Sounds great as a concept yet reality will be the complete opposite.
More corruption and control.
Government is your friend is not your enemy
Love it. 😎😎😎
If ‘they’ need people to continue spending money to stay in power, they will have to just give it them to spend.
unless u mean something else but it seem u mean in term of the market, in which cause no they wouldn't need a market if AI can do anything
@@rushyscoper1651 well prepare for a revolution in that case
@@green_crow-b9v revolt for what? To work even so there no point in working anymore?
U do understand what I mean by no need for market right?
It mean all service are valueless because of ai basically free.
@@rushyscoper1651 good luck with that,you are assuming that the trasitional Moment Will not exist and corporation are going to give everything for free
@@green_crow-b9v our whole system is based on services if services became free, as free of cost then the whole system gonna be useless.
that true even for companies u still assuming under our current system of how companies gonna act in different system.
That really didn't say very much. I do not believe that getting rid of poverty is achievable, but I do believe there is a simple answer to improving our situation.
I mean the problem with the reasoning used by alot of people with UBI is its based on the job market in places like the US, when the majority of poverty takes places in countries where businesses would not profit by replacing their workers, the only time that AI/Robotics can replace a workforce is when the workforce demands more money than the robotics would cost.
keep in mind that around 70% of poverty in the entire world, takes place within the african continent
@@内田朝陽-e6h Yes, I was born in Zimbabwe. Since UBI is universal [meaning the whole world] that is what I am considering. My reply is not based merely on robotics or mechanization. I do not believe that getting rid of poverty is achievable is because of our insistence on inflation to achieve economic growth. I consider this insistence a weakness. Robotics would never replace the workforce without it.
The UBI topic is as old as time itself. All one needs to do is imagine an up and coming technology that made many jobs redundant and proceed to prescribe some sort of governmental aid. If they have cars what are the horse carriage drivers going do? If they invented the common freezer/refrigeration, where would the ice packers going to do? If we can listen and download any media at our fingertips, what are we going to do with people working at the radio?
But this isn't about one tech replacing a couple jobs in one sector, it has the potential to replace 90% of people across the whole spectrum, except perhaps pure manual labor job and technician jobs. Some sooner, some later, and all within the next decade, or even faster. You think we can pivot to these new mythical jobs [that no one knows the name of yet] that fast?
@@chungang7037 exactly. Those previous inventions like the car, computer, refrigerator etc were too small on their effect on human ability, they just simply increased human productively as we switched to those new forms of doing things.
AI like ChatGPT are fundamentally replacing large parts of human thinking, like cognition and reasoning and doing what humans can do, except better and much much faster. The ramifications are huge
@@teamtoken Yea. So many think their jobs are safe or that the fears over AI are about terminators coming for us, instead its about automation and CEOs at this moment wondering how they can cut 50% of more of their employees.
@@kris3451 Yea, even as covid was becoming a thing a lot of instructors and teachers were concerned that online education at the high school and uni level could change radically if those in charge realized that results and grades could be achieved without a classroom. We all know very few care about quality education, or even interested in debating it. Thankfully there was some push back, but only because a lot of education is basically babysitting, a bit of gatekeeping with grades, and waiting for people to grow up and enter the workforce they qualified for. But now, as you said, there is potential for true upheaval. I am already hearing about how a uni class could have video lectures/assignments AND an AI assistant to respond to students and fix grammar/give feedback etc and maybe one professor/instructor for ten times the amount of students they could handle before. That is only the industry I know, one has to wonder what is happening in other sectors of the job market. It frankly is quite terrifying.
@@chungang7037 Crazy thing is, even a lot of manual labor jobs will probably start disappearing in 20 years due to the development of humanoid robots. Obviously, this will happen much later than jobs that can be replaced by software but it will happen. My guess is that service jobs will be the last to go, especially ones that require lot human to human interaction like hair stylists, nurses, therapists, etc...
Won't UBI just get cancelled out by inflation?
SF Bubble nerds.
give people money for just existing, an idea that will not fail at all.
I think you're really underestimating how much work will be automated within 30 years.
people are extremely productive when they're given the resources to be.
What are we to do. Don't give them money while they are out of a job? Maybe give them money if they make other people happy XD if society's gonna post-scarcity.
@@_____case Yeah, everything will be automated and we're all going to be eating and fucking seven days a week. I mean the AI might as well do space colonization for us and mine elements in space in 20 years too; you have a naive view on how the world works.
@@_____case AI will not end the human race biologically, it will cause an economic collapse of an unimaginable scale. People will think they don't have to work at all, then there will be an immense labor shortage and people will kill and steal just to survive.
UBI is enticing if the people who control it are good people and AGI has not usurped your market value. If you have nothing to give in exchange to the people who give out the UBI and they give it out because they are being nice you, you are essentially a pet. A pet who disagrees with their owner and acts against them gets cut off from UBI or put down. If UBI is the only way you can live in a post AGI world then the threat of loosing it will be used to control you.
Has anybody seen any information on the OpenAI experiment sponsored around UBI? Sam says he will share information in early 2024.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." ― George Bernard Shaw.
Ubi or go to socialism?
What if every American over 20 years of age gets as many thousands per year and increasing $1,000 with every birthday? That way, someone who is 80 is guaranteed 80K per year when they need it most for healthcare, housing, etc. Perhaps eliminate those who make over a certain amount along with other restrictions. AND adults get birthday's back!! 🎂😃💸
So naïve!
Why is nobody asking him questions about worldcoin??
#Ubi now
It’s a brave new world.
What if you have to get implanted a chip to get the money?
You don't
Why does Sam talk like this now, with vocal fry? Is this a power move? To show he can't be bothered to inject emotion, intonation, or inflection in interviews? He didn't talk like this when he interviewed Elon Musk for Y Combinator.
Because he’s a fraud
JUST BRING BACK THE HOMESTEAD ACT
AI will only replace important jobs in first world countries, as for Cobalt mines in africa or slave workshops in certain countries im not going to name, AI will not replace these people as it is not profitable for them to replace what is essentially free labor with million dollar machines, so the idea of UBI is pretty flawed and only really fits the perspective of a first world country.
Everybody is underestimating AI and there's already tons of resistance inside most offices. It's going to start when users and decision makers are able to help themselves without human tech support, analyst and developers. The next event is when companies notice and compare the impact, savings, productivity and competitive edge of adopting AI vs not. But it's when they let AI assess performance, productivity and organization that the real blood bath will start. My biggest concern is that Governments won't be ready to respond to the revolution and sabotage that will ensue. There are so many policies in place to artificially limit the measurement of performance and protect the worker that AIs won't even be allowed to report honest performance numbers in many segments. Let's face it there are so many BS jobs out there where people just mix the crap every day and serve it like fresh cookies. Humans have a short attention span, are generally non-confrontational and most Managers just take the high road. Few managers are honestly measuring, comparing and holding staff accountable putting into place any real value system. Most offices are fat, old and slow and deliver nothing but confusion, complexity and excuses. AI watching the store is going to ROCK the Human Resource sooner than we all expect.
stop asking tech bros for political theory challenge
Everyone gets free money, money becomes worth less, less people work = more poor people demanding more free money..... rinse and repeat
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UBI would be the same as INFLATION. Give out money and prices will rise.
That's not true if the total supply of the currency stays constant.
"How will they get the money without printing it?"
By taxing the rich.
Not with automated machines, bruv
@@_____case total supply of the USD will never stay constant. even the fed admit they have unlimited supply of printing machine. they rather go to war than giving away their influence through the dollar. look at libya
gov already does that but not directly and it fine
@@_____case Won’t happen. Nice dream.
I just want 1 million for 500 days
Mmm... You won't see it happening
What about poor nations like latin America? Or Africa where most people can’t even afford a phone yet? 😅
Apocalyptic at best
This is very utopian. Good luck trying to “eliminate poverty” lol
welp eventually that happens or we don't exist
@@iank3924 I hate to break it to you but there has been poor people since the dawn of civilization
@@0ne-Two yea but now with AI everyone seem to be soon replaced.
AI now is good enough to be used as a copilot what will u do when it became a pilot?
@@0ne-Two Breaking news, bud, things have changed a lot since then
@@nnemieime3307 Yeah, they’ve gotten worse, bud.
Giving away handouts has never been the answer.
It's not handouts, it's dignity
Really? It seems to work all the time. The amount of handouts corporations get is insane. Socialism for corporations works all the time...they seem perfectly happy to take your tax dollars and spend it on...what, another yacht? But, god forgive, giving it to an individual and...well they're just lazy good for nothing...yada yada...
This guy is pure evil.
just give people money enough for rent and food with daily spending limits 🤣 yeah bitcj you want more money get more skill (skill issue)🤣🤣
I think if you want money you need to work, no one should get money for no reason
I agree in away, we'll just have to find something else besides work, since most of it will be automated. Leaving people to starve would be inhumane, not to mention the mayhem
Completely agree.. But what when there is not enough work for everybody because most of the things are automated ?
@@DreamskyDance You pay your citizens $500 a month and tell them “good luck surviving!”.
@@rslongshot7453 I live in Croatia, in South-East Europe. Standard here is way lower than in US, you can see by rent prices where average apartment is 400 to 500 € ( or $..conversion is almost 1 to 1 ) and as far as i know you cant find anything for that price in US. So..even here $500 a month is laughable low...
When there is way less demand then there is supply for jobs, it is inevitable. You realise how much AI will automate task, speed up tasks and reduce costs for businesses? What took first 10 employees can soon be done by one employee (given this employee mastered additional AI skills in their field). It's common sense, AI will likely replace 80% of the jobs in the future, the richer get richer and the poorer get poorer by this technology.
Why is this dude's hair just so? You're not 13 dude
That's that gay lama hairdo
I don't like this guy...He's not cool.
UBI would never work, it would essentially lead to both uncontrollabe inflation and dystopia.
Only if we allow corporations to price gouge.
@@kombatsssss That is how we end up with food shortages and bread lines, so we go full communism I see. See you in the gulag, comrade.
Perhaps not in corpo owned America, absolutely doable in EU where human rights are still valued more than corporate profits.
we already do that to big banks
@@Marshallizer If you honestly believe that you know nothing about economics. What do you think happens when you suddenly give everyone "free money"? Didnt the "pandemic" teach you anything? "But we're not printing it" no but we are taxing it. Who are we taxing? Ourselves? Not that either? So the evil rich that owns much of the production? Sounds a lot like communism to me. And to believe that we can either tax ourselves for UBI or tax "the rich" (without it having the same effect on the economy) is not just delusion but utter retardation. Same sort of retardation that has gotten hundreds of million killed. I find you ideologists disgusting.
Cushion? "There is nothing more permanent than a temporary government program." Huge respect for what he's achieved in the realm of business and AI. Why doesn't he respond the same way on this topic as he did about aligning AI with huma s through trials and iterations. UBI has already been tried. Finland is the classic case. Massive failure.
My guy for like five years in a row Finland has ranked the happiest country on the planet
If Finland's UBI program is to be looked at as an experiment, what about that case suggests further UBI experiments shouldn't take place?
You missed the point. Finland killed the UBI program after the trial. It didn't work. It didn't achieve ANY of the objectives, in fact , the opposite. Maybe you should convince Finnish Govenment to try again with your superior Methodology.
@@kozakmuz as automation progresses all of your arguments are going to become obsolete
@@Negus222 maybe UBI failed in Finland because they were already too happy. Lol.
It s tough to get around the perception in many peoples minds that UBI rewards the lazy while hurting those that work and make things work. I say we need to do something like UBI recipients dont get a vote, or their vote counts for half or something like that. There has to be a deterrent outside of just the social stigma which will just deepen the class divides.
it's not really 'universal' if you opt in. Part of the idea is that it would cost more in bureaucratic overhead to 'means-test' everyone than to just give everyone the same amount IIRC. The idea of being 'less of a citizen' in order to get what, by the very nature of the policy itself implies is deserved for all, defeats the purpose.
There doesn't need to be a deterrent to UBI. People like to work. People like to busy themselves with things that matter to them and interest them. With UBI, folks don't need to spend their time working a job they don't like in order to survive, and they can instead work at other endeavors.
the UBI he is thinking about is where almost no one is working anymore except for AI and a few CEOs.
I think you are confusing current welfare system with UBI. UBI doesn’t reward any behavior such as unemployment because everyone gets it.
UBI is enticing if the people who control it are good people and AGI has not usurped your market value. If you have nothing to give in exchange to the people who give out the UBI and they give it out because they are being nice you, you are essentially a pet. A pet who disagrees with their owner and acts against them gets cut off from UBI or put down. If UBI is the only way you can live in a post AGI world then the threat of loosing it will be used to control you.