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Tense : English Has No Future
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
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01:49 Past = Je mangeais. Present = Je mange. Future = Je mangerai
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Thanks for watching everyone. It means a lot. :)
I've always wanted to make a conlang that is used by a fictional race where time-travel is so normalized that their language has tenses and moods baked in to talk about relative pasts, presents, and futures that are constantly in flux because of their actions, and this video has gotten me one step closer to actually realizing it. Thank you!
nice basic name you got there
Or for a kind of fictional race that is ever-knowing, they remember what happens in the future, past, and present, and their consciousness can sometimes just shift around across the flow of their lifespan, at one point they're 50 years old and another 230 and then 160
@:O🍡 lol
also here's you but vertical for no reason:
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Sounds interesting..
Any progress? ☺️
And I've tried to invent modal verbs to describe such tenses in English (like how the verb 'will' creates the future tense). But I always get too confused thinking about multiple reference points.
The past, present, and future walk into a bar...
It was *_tense_*
-I can't make original jokes-
Ba dum tish
It was better than what I could have come up with.
That Bad BLU Spy You will make it worse.
ba dum Tisch
José Vargas tis
Who else got a chuckle about the "English has no future" joke
Yay! I made a joke. :)
Artifexian I was surprised you didn't bring up Chinese for the total uselessness of tense conjugation, but it was interesting to see the languages people don't often hear of
DeluxeTux5249 lol
DeluxeTux5249
Chinese tenses are actually really similar to English. The particle 了(le) acts in much the same way as the English "-ed" suffix, as it follows the verb and denotes the past tense. The word 要 (yǎo) is used similarly to the word "will", preceding the verb and denoting a future tense, the only difference being that 要 can also be used to say "I want to..." as well as "I will..."
So, much like English, there are no true grammatical tenses, but instead words to denote aspect.
Edit: I'm not saying English has no grammatical tenses, but it's close.
TissuePaper tense I'm not saying it wasn't similar (ing suffix is similar to the word zài), but in English verbs conjugate for tense (the word changes), while in Chinese another word is added, (I actually studied Chinese for a bit, didn't get anywhere though)
If you couldn't tell I'm not good at saying what I mean
I'm afraid you mixed up the French tenses: Je mange is the present tense, while je mangeais is the past tense, not the other way around.
Tout à fait ! ^^
I thought it was weird that the past tense looked like the unmodified root while the present tense looked like it was modified. A conlang that did that would be neat however, would say something about the culture that speaks the language.
Je confirme.
Yep, Baptiste Faussat is right, y'know.
Merci! I was hoping someone said it! And besides, past tense sometimes includes a form of avoir. J'ai mangé. I have eaten.
Crap! Will put the correction in the description. Thanks for the heads up.
You give me a completely unnecessary Avatar TLA reference, I give you a thumbs up.
We got a deal?
Deal! :)
And game of thrones - I already love your channel after the first video!
i was so caught off guard but it was lovely
Flameo, Hotman!
*my cabbages*
Some Mayan languages have a remote tense that does not care about future or past. So the system is better represented with a circle. The present is at the bottom of the circle, the left is the past, the future is the right and the top is remote tense.
Coool.
Lojban has zi/za/zu to indicate temporal distance and vi/va/vu to indicate spatial distance. But it also has tense markers to indicate past, future, north, south, left, right, etc.
What the heck? That's really interesting.
mPky1 It's a gramatical feature that indicates that the verb's action takes place in a far time, regardless of whether it's in the future or the past.
In Mayan cosmology, it has a relationship with the idea that time is cyclical, and that something sufficiently far in the past will eventually happen again in the future. That's why the direction of time does not matter, only distance.
Erómeon that's pretty sick, I'll have to study up on that. Do you know some examples of said languages?
When Artifexian gives a whole semester of Geology in a couple of videos, he's not satisfied, now he has taught a whole semester of Morphology.
Believe me, I've gone to both lectures in my two majors. He has covered the whole curriculum of Geology for Engineers and will have covered (perfect future? Nice, I'm practicing!) the whole of Introduction to Morphology.
Thanks, pal. :)
Erómeon congratulations 🎉🎊🍾🎈!
wow your university is shit
dummdumm muddmudd Or maybe, they were introductory courses in first semester, and I was simplifying a little bit.
In geology, we learned to classify a lot of rocks and their chemical compounds, and I agree that the particular professor was shitty.
In morphology, we only saw these concepts because the course was designed more like a work meeting (? I don't know the English term) where the professor explained a concept in fifteen minutes and then he gave us a corpus to figure it out for real in an actual language. Now I see almost any language with its translation and can figure out every grammatical feature shown in the sample. I think that's not shitty.
Erómeon lecture ?
I love how you pronounce the letter "R" like "or". It's really caught me off guard.
Haha! Pronouncing it like 'are' would be awesome though. I'm be like a legit pirate.
Dragonite905 It's a Dublin thing. All Dubs do it, and no one else.
"E, relative to oar, relative to S."
you mean off gourd :)
I have heard Northern Irish people pronounce 'H' - haytch, with emphasis on the 'ha'.
I got an Artifexian video and a Nativlang video in the same day! It's like christmas in summer!
Eos Xo So like Australia but in the northern hemisphere?
Hello there my fellow Nativlang & Artifexian viewer! Merry Christmas! :D
Haha! Best comment. :)
+Eos Me too!
Definitely more tenses in French (and concern about aspects and mood built-in). So you have to memorize a lot of IF...THEN pairs where the verb-form with the IF phrase must determine the verb-form you'll use with the THEN phrase!
Remember that French developed in musty Medieval castles where people originally spoke an evolved or DEvolved Gallo-Roman, but some Franks came in and became Germanic royalty and the new prestige language, and people pronounced their own Latin roots with new German vowel-sounds. This was THE WORST MISTAKE IN LINGUISTIC HISTORY and sets French disgustingly apart from the other Romance languages. You will need to learn 4 nasal vowels and 3 Germanic vowels WHICH ARE NOT HEARD IN ENGLISH.
This video brilliantly highlights one of the things I _absolutely_ love about the English language: its liberal use of auxiliary verbs to create a multitude of periphrastic verb conjugations. Such a broad capacity for tense, aspect, and mood expressions makes English so rich and functional for communicating complex events and ideas to an extent that is _relatively_ unparalleled in many other languages.
When I studied Chinese and English, I'm amazed by how advanced the Chinese language is. Not because of its complexity but because of how simple it is.
1:49 you mixed up the past and present in french
Yes. Sorry. Correction in the top line of the description.
French dictation says everybody starts off hypothetically perfect, and then take off points for every mistake. But it is the custom NEVER to give perfect marks out of 20 for ANY course. Since no one is perfect, everyone is human. This is ultimately a strong republican secular principle (no kings, no perfect beings!)
About that I would rarely say "je mangerai" when speaking. I would instead use a periphrastic form "je vais manger". In writing though, I might actually prefer the future form.
Stellan Crendraven Not everytime, the form " je vais manger" is used for a future that will happend right next the sentence. When you say " je mangerai", it's more in a further future, like " je mangerai demain" compared to " je vais manger tout à l'heure" :).
Simon Pascaud I can't say that I'm authority in French although it's my mother tongue I tend to go more towards periphrastic construction like in the Germanic larguantes. But that comes mostly from speaking Danish on a daily basic. (For reference I didn't speak anything but French until I was ~15 yo.)
that's why I love Chinese, my native language. It has no tense unless you give it some.
Still it has no tenses. I really don't appreciate languages that are with almost no grammar.
You and nativlang uploading in the same day? Yes please.
I was just about to say that! :)
Thelatestmeme I was just about to say that
god dAmn is it a good day
It's like a miracle! :D
It is one good ass day to love languages my friend
hi! it is impossible for me to explain with words how much i have enjoyed this video. as a person who wants to spend the rest of his life doing linguistics research, it makes me very happy to find people as enthusiastic with this kind of things.
My English grammar professor, Dr. Dorothy Disterheft would strongly disagree with your argument that English has no future tense. That we use the modal "will" instead of a suffix to mark future tense doesn't change that it's still grammatical future tense. She made a point of this pretty much immediately in class (many years ago).
Not that I'm saying you're wrong. I don't have the qualifications to say that. Just pointing out that the argument exists among grammarians.
Ye, I hear it's fairly contentious. Just be be clear, I'm getting my info for Bernard Comrie's 'Tense' so this isn't my crack pot theory.
I think the important thing about the form is not the number of words used but rather whether the grammatical category is used regardless of its redundancy based on context.
English definitely has plurals because most nouns are either explicitly singular or explicitly plural. You cannot speak "without number": whenever you say "a keyboard" the listener knows you mean a single item; whenever you say "keyboards" they know you mean 2 or more.
Is expressing future obligatory? For English the answer is... sort of. On the one hand, you can say something "The train arrives at 3 a.m." in a limited set of contexts (where the schedule is rather rigid) and "We are leaving soon" in a much wider range of contexts. On the other hand, native speakers use "will" or "is going to" (or "'s gonna") far more often than it would be necessary to remove ambiguity.
Also, I am not a native speaker but the future tense should stay consistent, should it not? Is it OK to say "I will meet you at noon. My wife comes, too. She is telling you something important."? With simple forms (bring, tells) it sounds odd to my ear. Logically, the first "will" is enough to show that you are talking about the future.
Chinese would fall into the same category as well. In fact, under this premise, Chinese has no tenses at all. We can only express tenses using modals, i.e. 'I will walk" and "I had walk".
Halfgild Wynac It's not grammatically correct. The first 'will' applies to the first verb and is needed before each successive verb, otherwise I think it changes to a present tense, third person narration.
It does get repetitive but I guess that's why we change it up with contractions. For example:
"I'll meet you at noon. My wife will come too. She'll tell you something important."
+Halfgild Wynac While someone could probably manage to figure out what you meant, the way I'd say that, changing as little as possible, as a native speaker is "I will meet you at noon. My wife is coming too She will tell you something important."
Of course, I'd never say it like that to begin with. I'd say something more like: "My wife and I will meet you at noon, she has something important to tell you."
Contractions will be fluidly swapped in depending on how formal I'm feeling.
6:16 MY CABBAGES!!!
Hehe
I don't even know if it was intentional but "Tons of cool stuff CROPS up here." sealed the deal for me.
6:00 "Ahh, I see you're a man of culture as well😌"
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The best series ever made. ^_^
For a moment there I had a small crisis when reading the title!
I thought he was talking about the doom of the English language, then I saw the word "Tense"
Well, I mean everyone should be a little tense when English has no future.
Merritt Animation Yeah that's what I thought too
Isvoor I'll report for these dad puns. Nah JK they're hilarious
-T-X-M- Cyat blat comrade! Leningrad matryoshka Rosija Stalin!
My mind hurts.
I'm sorry pal.
Dragonite905 me too
Was it too inTENSE?
Benimation get out
It's supposed to if you're using it right! I don't know if that's right it just sounded good in my head! And fuck me I've typed it
Yay! I've been waiting for this series for FOREVER! Excellent start and I can't wait for the rest.
Cool. Thanks, pal.
First Nativlang uploads a video, then Artifexian! Is this Christmas??
I have really grown to love this channel. I was caught off guard by the inclusion of a Jamaican Patois referrence and much appreciated it.
I just want to point out though that the pronunciation for "yeside" is 3 syllablles [yeh.si.deh]
Thank you for this channel
I love how the title is ironic in several different ways.
'has' has no future tense.
2:35
It goes from "a few days ago/in the future" to "a year or more"? What if I want to say something happened a few months ago?
It does, it just doesn't mark it on the verb itself... Instead relegating it to an auxiliary verb .
This makes me glad for how ASL’s basic grammar is set up. Time-Topic-Comment-Negative. As you get more advanced in the language, the more you can bend the rules as you see fit. When indicating the past/future/present we will indicate in front/ ahead/ right by us, respectfully. When listing events we will often make a list on our hands or make a timeline in front of us.
This feels like it belongs in Dr. Dan Streetmentioner's Time Traveler's Handbook of 1001 Tense Formations.
I wioll haven be thoughten the same thing.
1:44 What about
"I walked"
"I'm walking"
"I will walk"?
That is present tense and it distinguishes itself from both past and future..
This is aspect.
Note you can make the progressive any tense
"I was walking"
"I am walking"
"I will be walking"
English has no future!? Omg this is tense af!
Haha!
Hahaha!
Oh god.
Ha
@@renatanovato9460Hahahaha!
that way of visualizing the timeline is just so neat, thank u
Je mangeais, by the way, is a tense + aspect. It is the imparfait which combines past with the imperfective. There is no pure past (used colloquially) any longer in French
3:45 "A quasi-cyclical discontinuous tense that conveys... and superposes..."
...You did WHAT to your tense?
My cabbages!!!
AGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!
Robert Howard your cabbages ?
What are u screaming for
This is unbelievably useful! I’m a super beginner conlanger and it can be overwhelming to make decisions about everything when every language contains multitudes in our real world. This already gives a sort crossroads to narrow it down.
I really like that you use example languages other than european ones. There are so many cool languages out there with interesting properties that I've never even heard of before, I love learning about them.
This is probably one of my favorite videos of yours so far, by the way. Thanks so much!
8:20 let us call that Fractal tense.
What tense is Au5 tense
@@yoironfistbro8128 I understood this reference.
Can't wait to see a book of the lexicon and grammatical and syntaxic rules for the Oa language.
My headache has more to do with my sporadic hemiplegic migraines then with the density of your explanation, so I watched the video twice. I think I more or less I understand the video.
can i just give a hats off to how visually appealing that outro looks
i mean it just looks so nice!
Congratulations on 100K subscribers!
Cheers, video on this soon.
I'm getting Classical Latin flashbacks, thanks a lot (still love the videos!)
Thanks for watching, pal. Means a lot.
duh deh DEH DAAAAAAAAHHHH! you got the triforce! of them, one controls mood, the other aspect,and the other one tense. together they give the wielder the power over an aspect of language!
İn turkish there is a different tense for the past that you are not sure about for eg.
Yürüdü means "he walked"
Yürümüş means something like "i heard he walked"
Nativlang and Artifexian upload today! It's Christmas in summer!
I'm kind of dissapointed that Spanish is not mentioned on a video about verbal tenses, since I'm quite fond on my verbal system hahaha Anyways, this video really helps me. I've been trying to teach my students (I'm a tutor) how english verbal tenses correlate to each other and when should we use one or the other, but it seems like they don't really get it? Maybe this approach will help them. Thank you, Artifexian!
ALGORITHM COMMENT... Thank you for making this video, it is very interesting because if you speak a language you don't think about all the theory that is behind it but when you start making up your conlang you starts struggling. So thanks again for sharing this video with us.
No problems pal. Glad you enjoyed.
As a native french, I can definetely say that this is the best video I've ever seen to understand most French times : all those combinations of jumps on the timeline have their own dedicated forms (note that futur-in-the-past is call "anterior futur" and futur-in-the-futur is just "futur" as opposed to "immediate futur")
Clever clickbate title? xD or just clever title is general?
It is a bit clickbaity BUT I really want as many people to see this a possible. I guarantee most people have never thought about tense before. And have no idea how deep it can go..
its a clever title to me
Hi, french annoying guy here, just to spot a mistake at 1:53
"Je mange" is the present and "je mangeais" is the past. You swapped them.
Just to add some relevant stuff in this comment:
All those are past :
"Je mangeais", "J'ai mangé", "Je mangeai", "J'eus mangé", "J'avais mangé".
And those 2 are future :
"Je mangerais" and "Je vais mangé".
Yeah, french is complicated
Not annoying at all. Thanks for the feedback. Correction will be in the description.
It's worth nothing that all of those other past forms will be covered in future videos - I believe they are aspects and moods.
but if I will eat doesn't count as a separate grammatical tense why would "je vais manger", it uses a similar construct.
J'aurai mangé ?
There's also "je mangerai" for future, which is future simple ( with the "s" it's conditional)
Surprising that I know French, then.
Linguistics is a very interesting subject for me. As a kid I never wanted to learn any new languages as I was too lazy to study (english is not my first language, I'm a native finnish speaker) but when I started to use internet more I learned to speak english a lot better. At the moment I'm trying to learn german because I'm in a long distance relationship with a german guy. I've watched a lot of linguistic videos and I feel like they have helped me to get rid of my finnish accent a bit as these videos go to a lot more detail about voices than any average english teacher. For example in finnish we rarely use letters like d, b and g so when I speak it's harder for me to distinguish between b and p, d and t, g and k and so on. I used to wish I would be a native english speaker because then I wouldn't have to learn it but lately I've realized how fun it is to know finnish :)
Definitely an interesting topic. I like how in English you can circumvent tense altogether: yesterday I did some walking, I am currently walking, tomorrow I will go walking.
Ye...it's more aspectual and modal then.
Congrats on 100 subscribers
can't wait for 101. :P
A bit late, there.
*100k
Artifexian when English does something original: “what the fuck is this, this shit sucks🤬🤬🤬🤬”
Vs.
Artifexian when any non mainstream language does something objectively terrible and nonsensical: “Wow, how flippin cool😍😍😍”
Dumb take
I'm starting to like your channel more. Keep it up.
Will do.
Romania has like 4 for past
Imperfect -> mergeam (I was walking and i am still walking)
Simple perfect -> mersei (I was walking a few minutes ago)
Complex perfect -> am mers (I was walking a few days ago)
More than perfect -> mersesem (I was walking before *insert other action* )
And 2 for future
Standard future -> Voi merge (I will walk)
Phonetic language future -> am să merg
oi să merg (i will walk)
o să merg
Anterior future -> "Când te vei întoarce acasă eu deja *voi fi mers* " (when you return home i will already walked)
Edit: also for present its just present
Why don't you consider "will" or "going to" as future tense markers? They aren't conjugations maybe, but they are surely tense markers. They function exactly as a future tense does. The words "will" and "going to" have even been almost completely divorced from their original meanings when used in the context of a future tense marker, which is another indicator that they are tense markers.
Sorry, but you totally missed the point of the video. I think you should watch it again. :)
Just like you said, the only mistake that he made in the video was that he mixed up the French verb conjugations.
And once again, you did miss the whole point of the video, watch it again so you can understand because you clearly don't.
Luigi Morgan 🤣you're silly. I'm allowed to disagree with the clickbait misinformation he used tbh doesn't mean I didn't get the video. I bet you don't even know what you mean when you're saying that, you just want to feel like you're smart because you like the video
Yeah, insulting others will always make your point valid. :)
And that I don't know what I mean? I'm about to get my degree in English. I do know what I'm talking about. ;)
In my country, more specifically, at my university, I have to pay less than 30 dollars per semester. It's not like in the United States where you have to spend thousands of dollars to get a good education.
Plus, I don't have to make any points because what you said is clearly explained in the video. And if you say that it isn't, then, I'm sorry, but you're not smart enough for this. Or maybe, you haven't read enough about it. And that's okay. I'm pretty sure you're great at something that I'm not even good at, but this is my field and, believe me, I know a lot about this kind of stuff. :)
A new nativelang and artifexian video is definitely worth staying up until 3 in the morning
Hope you enjoy. :)
0:06 oh hey it's the triforce logo
my brain is spinning. the rabbit hole has looped back in on itself and is now a concentric mobius loop.
Glad to be of service. :)
i had no idea you can mathematize grammar
Nor did I until I read 'Tense' by Bernard Comrie.
Chomsky does a lot of that
As someone said: true sciene begins only when you bring math in it.
My native Language, Dutch has the same system as English: we don't *really* have a past tense. Though it's a bit more complicated as in Englisg, since we use an auxilary verb, not just a simple future marker. Still, the auxilary verb is in present (or past) tense, not in a "future tense". We do learn it like it's a future tense, like in English, but it's not technically a future tense.
English came from German, which if I remember correctly, is related to Dutch, so the three are pretty similar
LANESLASH wrong, English never came from German; English, German, Dutch, along with the Scandinavian languages (not Finnish) and some minority languages are all GermanIC languages which come from Proto-Germanic which only had past and non-past which is why English, German, and Dutch all rely on verbal constructions for future.
Oof
Jana, Don't forget Afrikaans. It's technically a minority language in South Africa, but depending on the sources, it his a little more or a little less speakers then Swedish, the biggest North Germanic (Scandinavian) language.
LANESLASH and Latin and French and the Vikings too you know
We will be going soon to the park, once it is not raining anymore, of which first we will need to feed the dogs, after we walk them, and after we go to the park, once it isn’t raining, we will eat, after we get to moordoor’s hill, and after we eat we will explore the park, right after everyone uses the bathroom, after everyone has a drink, and after coming back, we will go to the bus to leave, after everyone plays, and then afterwards we will go home, after we arrive back to school, and do the rest of it.
*THE ULTIMATE RELATIVE SENTENCE!*
This is SO COOL, I never thought about tense like that. Just imagine the kind of poetry or arguments that come out of languages with all those different tenses!
Would Hungarian count as having a real future tense? You change the verb, but you also need a word to indicate that it is in the future. (I walk, I will walk: Megyek, Menni Fogok or even Majd Megyek) The one used for the future form is supposedly called infinitive according to google?
"Fog" is an auxiliary just like "will" in English, used with the infinitive. ("Will" is not inflected for person because it's a preterite-present verb.) "Majd" (which I didn't know) is an adverb. English used to have an infinitive suffix (I walk, I will walken) but has lost it.
Are there languages with a specific past and a non-specific past tense? Like "yesterday, or on that specific moment, I did" versus "once, I don't realy know when, I did"
Julia Smith in Spanish the "perfect past" means something that was finished like "I walked home, and now I'm at home" and the "imperfect past" means something that started but not necessarily was finished, like "I was walking home, but something happened"
Good question. I don't know.
Generally, an unsubstantiated amount of time is just referred to as "a while ago" and has little or no impact on the verb since it's dealt with by a prepositional phrase.
DISTurbedwaffle918 in English you can use that, yes. In my conlang, I was more generally thinking about a six tenses system past specific, past non-specific, future specific, future non-specific, present, and a time independed tense that looks like a present non-specific for things that might have happened or will happen or just used for general facts. Can also be used for poetic purpose. For instance for a love declaration. Saying "I love you" in non-specific present implies "I love you, I always love you and I will always love you" in one elegant word.
Aleixo Abreu The "I was walking" thing is more of an aspectual distinction, isn't it?
In my system whenever we say a verb, we pull out angry birds, and shoot the bird forwards ir backwards in space depending on when the event is, and if we hit a pig, it signifys an importance. If we beat the level, thats the end of the sentance
Thanks for this video! I've been making my own language where I'm dropping tenses all together in favor of using prepositions. So instead of for example saying "I was eating", it would be "I eat before [now]" or "I before-eat". This would save me from a lot of conjugation, as my verbs conjugate to agree with the subjective noun phrase, and my nouns have plenty of inflection.
1:53 French is MUCH MORE complicated, look at a "Bescherelle conjugaison" to see
The video is about tenses only. French has a complex aspect and mood system, but no more than those three tenses.
Actually, the verb has more shapes than just these 3: think about the participe that is re-used in "J'ai mang*é*" and "J'aurais mang*é*" ("I ate" and "I would have ate") is different from the 3 others
These are gerunds, they are moods, not tenses.
Je suppose qu'on peut continuer en français si c'est plus clair.
Remember this video only covers tense. Aspect and mood will be discussed in the future.
Julio974 and yet we bearly use all the tenses of 'être' outside of school. What about a waist.
you switched the past and present verbs at 1:52. It's "je mangeais, je mange, je mangerai"
Yes. Sorry. Correction in the description .
I would say that English does actually have a future tense, it's just a periphrastic construction (i.e. some intransitive form and a form of the verb to be) rather than a directly conjugated single verb, which is a little different from a language like Jamaican Creole or Chinese which use an un-conjugated verb and a non-verbal time marker to indicate the same thing. So the distinction lies in the fact that English uses two verbal forms in conjunction, one of which happens to be un-conjugated in regards to tense rather than an un-conjugated verb and a non-verbal time marker.
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Is imperative considered a tense? In Arabic, there are basically 3 forms of a verb.
The present form.
The past form.
The imperative form.
So, Is it considered a tense(As I recall reading somewhere)?
And, If not, then what is it considered?
Edit: Also the French past and present are mixed up in the video.
Yup! Corrected it in the description.
I think (could be wrong) imperative is a mood.
The imperative is a mood, one of many in arabic (others are the subjunctive, jussive, indicative, and energetic). It just happens to be formed with a more distinct construction than the other moods, so often times people don't recognize it as a mood.
2:32 So does that mean that the official upper limit of "a few" is 364 or 365 if there's a leap day?
I don't know.
My sister's friend's teacher (or something like that) once said "a few" refers to anything from 3 to 500 (although it wasn't in English and rather a translation of "a few").
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS! I've read so much to work on my conlang and your break down of tense was amazing. Gotta pick up the book!
Do! And it's WAY easier to read than the last book I mentioned - ERGATIVITY.
1:50 I think you exchanged past and present, noticed this on a rewatch, your videos are just amazing 🤩
1:49 that's wrong! Past = j'ai mangé or je mangeais (french has two different past tenses) present = je mange and future = je mangerai
Yes. Sorry. Correction will be in the description.
Artifexian amazing video nevertheless!!!!
Alexified j’ai mangé is present perfect, actually. Is the percect aspect of the present tense.
Ahnan Imuz you are correct in part. Le passé composé (the present perfect) functions as both the present perfect AND the simple past in French. This is bc le passé simple has largely fallen out of use in speech. You'll encounter it in literature and maybe super formal speech and sometimes in québec. Basically u infer which based on context.
I disagree. I think English has a true future tense, it just isn't marked with a suffix. It's still used regularly.
Finnish on the other hand has true past - non-past system. 'Mä söin' =I ate 'Mä syön (nyt / ensi torstaina)' = I eat (now / next Thursday). We do have ways to refer to future with an auxiliary, but they are only used in special situations, e.g. 'Mä tuun syömään' = I come to eat -> I'll eat
Right but by definition tense as a grammatical category needs some kind of inflection. English has no grammatical future tense. Emphasis on grammatical. English future is more like a modal present than a future.
Artifexian First, I wonder whether you mean conjugation rather than inflection and, second, bollocks. Just because some over zealous grammarian objects to the lack of a future participle in English in no way means that the future tense does not exist and is instead some modal shade. Many good authorities have expounded upon not only the healthy existence of the English future tense, but have also pointed out how incredibly precise we can form future tenses with respect to aspect and mood. By this time tomorrow I shall have been brooding over this click bait title, or I will have forgotten it at some point. Half the languages on the planet could not make that subtle distinction.
You should really use correct written language as an example or you undermine your own credibility.
Ok. That only shows how close minded and old fashioned person you are :)
It's just respecting our language, and not giving others false information about how things are said correctly. Grammar is really important. Maybe you are some dropout without any education and don't give a fuck, but I respect our language. And it shows you didn't even bother. It would be different if you didn't know how to properly use grammar, but of course you do. And if your point is to educate, like you are clearly trying to do, you should do it correctly or not do it at all. There is only one form on written grammar in Finnish, and it's the same for all of us no matter where we live. Your "mä" is not universal even in our spoken language, that's why it's incorrect. People use "mää", "mie", "myö" etc. You should always teach the stuff that works in most contexts first. And I'm sorry to say, but no one is going to take you seriously if you can't even articulate correctly and can't even bother to write "minä" instead of "mä", it really has nothing to do with me, just wanted to help you to be more credible in the future, but I guess it's pointless. You probably don't even give a fuck about closed compounds or anything.
Your videos always remind me why I love linguistics!
Awesome! :)
i love the detail you put into the visuals in such a tasteful way, it's always so satisfying and helpful :)
Hum... When are we going to get to culture-building stuff?
Long way off, I'm afraid.
Uzbek will take over English
Haha! Yup. :)
Hah, you actually replied. Love your vids by the way!
Your enthusiasm for language is awesome!
Thanks for the video. Awesome work. I plan on using this to help me explain how different tenses work in English to a co worker who isn't a native speaker.
That was intense
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What the hell people is just saying “ArTEfexIan and NAaTiVLaaNg MaDe de Same vIDEOOOOOOO”
Did we?
Yes, he did. I seen it on my notifications, the link is here:
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In Standard german it is similar to english.
My dialect (swiss german, how it is spoken in Zurich) is a lot less complex. We use the perfect tense for every past situation and the present tense for every present and future situation.
When I say: “Ich ha Musig glost” (in standard german: “Ich habe Musik gehört” and in English: “I have listened to the music”) it could have happened a few minutes or a few years ago.
When I say “Ich lose Musig” (standard German: “Ich höre Musik”, English: “I listen to the music”) it usually happens right now, but it could also happen in the future.
To make sure something happens in the future, you have to say: “Morn losi Musig” (Standard German: “Morgen höre ich Musik”, English: “Tomorrow, I listen to the music”).
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Thanks! Video on this coming soon. :)
Wow.
Tenses are class.
What I do enjoy is the fact that third-person present-tense can also function like a future-tense.
“He walks into a room and wrecks it.”
“He kills the president.”
Of course, it’s most often used under the assumption that the speaker is a time traveler, but it’s a cool trick of the language.
Why do you interpret this as future? I don't.
French actually has four tenses: je mangeais (past) - je mangerais (future of the past) - je mange (present) - je mangerai (future). The conditional is traditionally counted as a mood, but in a French linguistics course I did we learnt that it's methodologically more consistent to count it as a tense (note how it contains the future suffix -r as well as the past suffix -ais at the same time - the conditional in French basically look like le passé simple and le future simple smashed together).
My favorite german sentence is: "Es wird so geschehen sein, wie ich es vorhergesehen hatte."
An event in the future will have happend, like I predicted in the past.
I had decided to watch this video thinking it would help me relax after a stressful morning, but instead I found it left me tense.
1:52 Actually French has more different forms of past. Two by modifying the verb: Je mangeais (imparfait), Je mangeai (passé simple, pronounced the same in first person). Then there are the composed forms: J'ai mangé (passé composé), J'avais mangé (plus que parfait), J'eus mangé (passé antérieur). The latter two are to describe what has happened before something else.
In addition to futur (Je mangerai) there's futur composé (Je vais manger) which is also called futur immédiat (to be used for what you're immediately going to do).
In English there are the future forms "will" (it will happen no matter what) and "going to" (describing an intention).
In portuguese, there are five recognized tenses. Present (eu almoço), imperfect past, that means something being done until now (eu almoçava), perfect past, that means an action from the past finished in the past (eu almoçei), more-than-perfect past (this is an odd one), that is an action from the past that was finished in the past before some other action mentioned later on the sentence (eu almoçara antes de viajar), present future, that is just that, future (eu almoçarei), and past future, that is something that would have happened, if it wasn't for something from the past ot present (eu almoçaria, se não viajasse).
The past, present, and future all walk into a bar. Things get tense...
The video title made sense instantly, but it's this channel, so of course I'm clicking
Using Avatar characters as part of your example really made my day :)
This isn’t exactly a tense in itself, but I have noticed that in moroccan darija (an Arabic dialect) we often say “I left/ I went!” to mean “I’m going!” eg. to announce that you’re about to leave the house. It’s not a thing we do in English, so I wonder whether other languages also use the past tense to reference an action that is about to happen?
In Mandarin Chinese, there are five common tenses, 前天 (The day before yesterday), 昨天 (Yesterday), 今天 (Today), 明天 (Tomorrow) and 后天 (The day after tomorrow)
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