Played with a Stiga, briefly, in the early 70's. I trained with a plywood backboard at the far end for backspin returns, and a rubber-surfaced cellular foam backboard mid-table for topspin returns at extreme pace, countering, smashing, looping, etc.. If you could call those 'robots'. The biggest improvement in sheer power, snap, and velocity came from swinging a bare barbell bar (say that quickly three times... g'won, I dare ya...) and a 15 pound unbalanced barbell. I was rated 17th in my province, but I was among the top 5 in backhand (and forehand) drive/loop power. I would have been a top-10 player, but had an aversion to push-returns. Everything was looped, flicked, rolled, or swatted, including serves; good players found me very predictable so I never advanced.
@@miguelmelo7697 If that's me, the backboards were all hand-made. The foam sheet was a 2x3 foot floor standing pad. It was fortunately ideal for the combination of not-too-fast but topspin-return characteristics. The pace it forced you into (3-4 drives per _second_ ) meant extreme development of pace, block, and reflexes in real time play. Also had a glass plate with vertical undulations, which was not much good for spin, but great for dealing with unexpected directions: fh, bh, and gut-shots where you _really_ had to decide fast. I also made a hand made wheel robot. Currently working on a AR robot with actuators built into a real racquet to simulate sound and hand-feel coming directly _from_ the virtual ball strike on the blade. But that project is highly classified.
There is this cool robot from china - Huipang HP07. Cheap but it oscillates, can do sidespin, topspin and backspin, and serves! I've got it and I recommend it wholeheartedly!
I built my own robot that is similar to the Butterfly Amicus and in a very short time I have made improvements. It simply allows you to focus on one particular skill and repeat it hundreds of times to fine tune it. Another nice thing with a robot is that they never complain, get bored, need to use the washroom, or stop for a lunch break :)
Dan I would love it if you reviewed either Hurricane Long 5 or Dimitrij Ovcharov Alc! Also I’m sure we would love to see Fastarc G1 with Mima ito carbon. Ok thanks!
Thats my build lol, HL5 with Fastarg G-1 on the forehand, when i bought it, i was looking for a tenergy 05 like rubber, it is fast, but is not as bouncy as the tenergy, at least, you can control way easier. Also the HL5 vibrates a lot, its kinda annoying XD.
Good job Dan! but like you said in the middle of the video about Franziska turning his body and start from the hip. you have to keep in mind that on your piece of video from him, he was doing only that shot. when you was doing a push followed by a shot so timing is shorter for you to really fully arm your arm like he does. but yeah, if you can get that very slight rotation of the body on top of arm speed, you'll win power. you have the good habit now to really use your legs to push to give that plus in concurrence force. leg push + rotation + arm speed = BOOM! 🤪😆 the ball already has spin, all you have to do is put blunt trauma force to it. a bit of a brush motion but not much. if you can aim for opponent's belly or extreme opposit side, it will be goooold. 👌
To anyone with no access to a robot etc. Here’s what I did to improve my backhand flick….play with 90% on your backhand and do the flick constantly. You’ll obviously lose a lot of games but trust me, after about 2-3 months (if you’re a beginner to almost intermediate) you’ll be so much better with the bh flick that you’ll nullify most serves coming your way. Short of me saying it puts fear in my opponents eye whenever they see me get into the bh flick position 😅
Today I started using my robot (3 year son) and I have to say it was a good workout! It kept me on my toes and I did not know where the ball was coming from! Great for hand eye coordination and reflexes. He had blast and I was exhausted, but we had a great time! 👼💪 😂
Great video, the progress is certainly visible. Over 2 years ago I bought the cheapest and simplest of all robots, and that was I believe the best sports-related investment in my life. It definitely improved my play, and it is a great cardio exercise too. Got it right before Covid hit and I was glad to have a "playing partner" during those isolation months. I even posted a RUclips video of it last year.
The only way to get a pro backhand is to watch top Chinese players (make sure u do this Dan). But I must say Dan you have improved so much from the start of your table tennis daily career! 👏 Now you need to focus on doing high quality serves that opponents will struggle against. Eg: Dima’s tomohawk serve.
Really special training video Dan. You are good already but you showed us the process of learning and private practice through the week and it did make a tangible difference. How you do it and the changes along the way with your feedback and Tom's. I really appreciate that. Most videos show you a shot and how to do it. I am a musician and it is the equivalent of scales and technical work to build in the security. Thank you. Now for the Forehand?
Great video Dan. Yes, I use a very similar robot, but combined with the FastPong system. This gives me visual targets to improve my accuracy and decision making. The real-time metrics also means that I can more easily track my progress over time, checking data like my speed and accuracy.
Coupling high-mass, low speed shoulder (or at least upper arm) to low-mass high-speed hand and racquet is the key. I found weight-swinging the missing training link to developing that coupling-snap, and the gain in actual muscle-strength to improve it ever more.
When a pro hits the ball is so perfect and realxed. I realize is repeat and repeat in table tennis , so much is crazy ! 10 000 hits to nail it i heard !
when looking at the side-by-side with you and patrick, he uses his left arm as a very slight counter force. like a very short compact left backhand stroke, mirroring his right arm but very small. like a karate punch when the punch extends, the other arm is retracted with equal power. timo is a very good example of this
I started playing again after a few years off. I wanted a robot since my club is about an hour away and I found one used in great shape for 1/3 the cost of a new one. It’s been great for practice and I honestly think my game is better than before I stopped after only a few months consistent practice!
Yes I use a robot and it is helping. I also have a new coach (had him for a 5 weeks now) and he is helping me work out some flaws with my form. He is great and the robot is helping too.
Hey Dan! Please make a head to head comparison between Tenergy 19 vs. Dignics 05. In your reviews, you comment that both add control vs Tenergy 05. Would be interesting to see this comparison. Thank you!!!
Hi there Dan, in my opinion something you neglected in the video is the usage of the left arm as a counterbalance and power generator. Your left arm doesn't move at all during backhands, while if you look at the best pros' backhands they actually utilize their left arm. Have a look at it.
I'd like to see a review of Yasaka Rakza Z. Also curious about which plastic 40+ ball you use to test the blades/rubbers since they perform differently. As a suggestion would be interesting if you could add a penhold player to the team so we could watch the performance of the rubbers for different styles.
Good ish Dan. I liked the breakdown in relationship with the str8 shoulders & w8 down. Tom your analysis of what he needed to address was direct & to the point
That was interesting, to play your backhand standing face on to the table feels very awkward for me and would only play that shot if I never had time to move, considering you are not rotating your body into the shot I am surprised how much power you are getting and think you would get even more if you lead with your dominant foot forward, good to see these type of videos and seeing how much you have improved
We have a robot in our club and I used to rain with it but someone stole the balls for it and I can't use it anymore. ☹ Btw. Great video. The backhand after 7 days definetly looks better. You look more stable and have a lot better movement.
Hi dan,very good test man you did well! I practice ovcharov’s and its really professional because the power and the point of contact was there and the power was insane but gotta say yours was powerful aswell, also gotta say in ETT that i stormed to 2.3k (as i was telling you if u remember) to 2.6k and am improving my consistency and relaxing but the tracking isn’t great 😂 anyways take care and enjoy your time
Please say the settings you're using on the robot: how much backspin / topspin. I have the power pong Omega would love to match what you're doing. Thanks
Can you pls reveiw the stiga hybrid wood nct with a tenergy 19 both side bc this is my dream set up i would like to see it performance before buying it
Can u pls mention the following 1) amicus robot height / level 2) settings for location 3) settings for spin 4) settings for speed 5) trajectory details This will be helpful. Thanks in advance
Center of gravity foreward , keep your back foreward , hit from the middle of your body , keep your hips low and back , feel your thumb as you contact , and hit in the line of your body , and feel your forearm more not only wrist, 🤗
Great video Dan! Could you please share your exercises settings (speed, angle, spin, location)? I have the amicus prime too and I would like to try those exercises. Thanks
The 10,000-hour rule applies to "older players"...I spent 1.5 years 5-6 days a week on the Butterfly robot mixing it up with different spins/speed consistently for 1-2 hours a night so I could get my backhand to be equal to my Forehand. CONCLUSION: It destroyed my "match play" so I am now trying to fix it I have put the robot back in its bag. My strokes are good, and I am making a lot of "Hollywood shots" but overall I am messed up but it is starting to come around with more match play...I also practiced my serves every night for over 1 hour and it has helped raise my level although now, I am having to deal with the return balls from my spinney serves another thing to help me lose games...
Have you tried training with a robot before? 🤖
Played with a Stiga, briefly, in the early 70's.
I trained with a plywood backboard at the far end for backspin returns, and a rubber-surfaced cellular foam backboard mid-table for topspin returns at extreme pace, countering, smashing, looping, etc.. If you could call those 'robots'.
The biggest improvement in sheer power, snap, and velocity came from swinging a bare barbell bar (say that quickly three times... g'won, I dare ya...) and a 15 pound unbalanced barbell.
I was rated 17th in my province, but I was among the top 5 in backhand (and forehand) drive/loop power. I would have been a top-10 player, but had an aversion to push-returns. Everything was looped, flicked, rolled, or swatted, including serves; good players found me very predictable so I never advanced.
Which equipment are you using?
My academy has a robot so I have trained with it before
@@miguelmelo7697
If that's me, the backboards were all hand-made. The foam sheet was a 2x3 foot floor standing pad. It was fortunately ideal for the combination of not-too-fast but topspin-return characteristics. The pace it forced you into (3-4 drives per _second_ ) meant extreme development of pace, block, and reflexes in real time play. Also had a glass plate with vertical undulations, which was not much good for spin, but great for dealing with unexpected directions: fh, bh, and gut-shots where you _really_ had to decide fast.
I also made a hand made wheel robot. Currently working on a AR robot with actuators built into a real racquet to simulate sound and hand-feel coming directly _from_ the virtual ball strike on the blade. But that project is highly classified.
There is this cool robot from china - Huipang HP07. Cheap but it oscillates, can do sidespin, topspin and backspin, and serves!
I've got it and I recommend it wholeheartedly!
Great video Dan! 7 days to improve backhand to the pro's level is unreal amazing! :D
power from the ground is real :))
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I built my own robot that is similar to the Butterfly Amicus and in a very short time I have made improvements. It simply allows you to focus on one particular skill and repeat it hundreds of times to fine tune it. Another nice thing with a robot is that they never complain, get bored, need to use the washroom, or stop for a lunch break :)
7 day backhand definitely looks much better and more stable. Well done mate keep it up.
Btw this robot is so sick.
Time for a backhand showdown with you pocket?
Dan I would love it if you reviewed either Hurricane Long 5 or Dimitrij Ovcharov Alc! Also I’m sure we would love to see Fastarc G1 with Mima ito carbon. Ok thanks!
Thats my build lol, HL5 with Fastarg G-1 on the forehand, when i bought it, i was looking for a tenergy 05 like rubber, it is fast, but is not as bouncy as the tenergy, at least, you can control way easier. Also the HL5 vibrates a lot, its kinda annoying XD.
@@borisgraell I have been asking Dan for about 2 weeks now
@@borisgraell HL5 does I agree
I just want to see his opinion on it and an honest review
G1 were made for the cell ball, why test it, should test P1, the most recent.
Good job Dan! but like you said in the middle of the video about Franziska turning his body and start from the hip. you have to keep in mind that on your piece of video from him, he was doing only that shot. when you was doing a push followed by a shot so timing is shorter for you to really fully arm your arm like he does. but yeah, if you can get that very slight rotation of the body on top of arm speed, you'll win power. you have the good habit now to really use your legs to push to give that plus in concurrence force. leg push + rotation + arm speed = BOOM! 🤪😆 the ball already has spin, all you have to do is put blunt trauma force to it. a bit of a brush motion but not much. if you can aim for opponent's belly or extreme opposit side, it will be goooold. 👌
To anyone with no access to a robot etc. Here’s what I did to improve my backhand flick….play with 90% on your backhand and do the flick constantly. You’ll obviously lose a lot of games but trust me, after about 2-3 months (if you’re a beginner to almost intermediate) you’ll be so much better with the bh flick that you’ll nullify most serves coming your way. Short of me saying it puts fear in my opponents eye whenever they see me get into the bh flick position 😅
Just amazing to see what you can accomplish in as little as 7 days with persistence and hard work.
Today I started using my robot (3 year son) and I have to say it was a good workout! It kept me on my toes and I did not know where the ball was coming from! Great for hand eye coordination and reflexes. He had blast and I was exhausted, but we had a great time! 👼💪 😂
😂
Great video, the progress is certainly visible. Over 2 years ago I bought the cheapest and simplest of all robots, and that was I believe the best sports-related investment in my life. It definitely improved my play, and it is a great cardio exercise too. Got it right before Covid hit and I was glad to have a "playing partner" during those isolation months. I even posted a RUclips video of it last year.
The only way to get a pro backhand is to watch top Chinese players (make sure u do this Dan). But I must say Dan you have improved so much from the start of your table tennis daily career! 👏 Now you need to focus on doing high quality serves that opponents will struggle against. Eg: Dima’s tomohawk serve.
Really special training video Dan. You are good already but you showed us the process of learning and private practice through the week and it did make a tangible difference. How you do it and the changes along the way with your feedback and Tom's. I really appreciate that. Most videos show you a shot and how to do it. I am a musician and it is the equivalent of scales and technical work to build in the security. Thank you. Now for the Forehand?
Great video Dan. Yes, I use a very similar robot, but combined with the FastPong system. This gives me visual targets to improve my accuracy and decision making. The real-time metrics also means that I can more easily track my progress over time, checking data like my speed and accuracy.
Cool to see the Eleven Table Tennis logo on your shirt! I've been playing ETT since October- hope to play you one day, Dan!
What happend to the TTDSL series? 😬
Excellent stuff Dan, very helpful and motivating me to upgrade my very basic robot to the one you’ve got there. 😂
Weight shifting is the biggest aspect of high quality spin, for backhand using only your wrists or elbow could make you do some unforced errors
Coupling high-mass, low speed shoulder (or at least upper arm) to low-mass high-speed hand and racquet is the key. I found weight-swinging the missing training link to developing that coupling-snap, and the gain in actual muscle-strength to improve it ever more.
When a pro hits the ball is so perfect and realxed. I realize is repeat and repeat in table tennis , so much is crazy ! 10 000 hits to nail it i heard !
Please do more equipment reviews. Really like the table of stats. Please add Rakza 9 and X, Fastarc G-1, and More Dignics
Wow!! What a difference!! Always thought your backhand was pretty awesome anyway!!! Great vid Dan!!!!👍😀
when looking at the side-by-side with you and patrick, he uses his left arm as a very slight counter force. like a very short compact left backhand stroke, mirroring his right arm but very small. like a karate punch when the punch extends, the other arm is retracted with equal power.
timo is a very good example of this
Great demonstration of what training does.
Way more leg power and shoulder external rotation after 7 days. Great work!
Dima would be proud dan! great backhands!
I started playing again after a few years off. I wanted a robot since my club is about an hour away and I found one used in great shape for 1/3 the cost of a new one. It’s been great for practice and I honestly think my game is better than before I stopped after only a few months consistent practice!
Hope that vid for forehand topspin will come out, maybe for some of your subs, cause Dan's is already consistent)
Yes I use a robot and it is helping. I also have a new coach (had him for a 5 weeks now) and he is helping me work out some flaws with my form. He is great and the robot is helping too.
Hey Dan! Please make a head to head comparison between Tenergy 19 vs. Dignics 05.
In your reviews, you comment that both add control vs Tenergy 05. Would be interesting to see this comparison. Thank you!!!
Hi there Dan, in my opinion something you neglected in the video is the usage of the left arm as a counterbalance and power generator. Your left arm doesn't move at all during backhands, while if you look at the best pros' backhands they actually utilize their left arm. Have a look at it.
Nice to see TTD Dan to visit PingPod. It has to be good to be worth his time. Cheers!!
I'd like to see a review of Yasaka Rakza Z. Also curious about which plastic 40+ ball you use to test the blades/rubbers since they perform differently. As a suggestion would be interesting if you could add a penhold player to the team so we could watch the performance of the rubbers for different styles.
Good ish Dan. I liked the breakdown in relationship with the str8 shoulders & w8 down. Tom your analysis of what he needed to address was direct & to the point
That was interesting, to play your backhand standing face on to the table feels very awkward for me and would only play that shot if I never had time to move, considering you are not rotating your body into the shot I am surprised how much power you are getting and think you would get even more if you lead with your dominant foot forward, good to see these type of videos and seeing how much you have improved
Dan you should have got the pocket rocket for coaching
Good variety of training... robot allows the player to focus of feelings of the body...! Fast way to improve
How long did you practice for each day. I love robot training just wears me out now as I get older
Nice backhand hit Dan.
Great video, hopefully forehand next?
i have the same robot, altho i don't do enough practices on it. It's quite tedious yet it really helps!
Great movie! Thanks!
Do you also make a movie with forehand?
Love your Channel
Is the TTD team taking a break from releasing videos? understandable after all these years.
Can you please do a review of rakza z it is my backgand rubber and feels great
hey dan! it would be great if you could review xiom hugo HAL along with victas v>15 extra ? thanks a lot !!!
Thank you for this video... very informative and motivating
We have a robot in our club and I used to rain with it but someone stole the balls for it and I can't use it anymore. ☹
Btw. Great video. The backhand after 7 days definetly looks better. You look more stable and have a lot better movement.
Grea video Dan!
What is Tom opinion about the Cyberspace blade?
A Question: TTDSL . There are no matches more or is a break? greetings from germany
i will training table tennis as you do, thanks you
Hi dan,very good test man you did well! I practice ovcharov’s and its really professional because the power and the point of contact was there and the power was insane but gotta say yours was powerful aswell, also gotta say in ETT that i stormed to 2.3k (as i was telling you if u remember) to 2.6k and am improving my consistency and relaxing but the tracking isn’t great 😂 anyways take care and enjoy your time
Please say the settings you're using on the robot: how much backspin / topspin.
I have the power pong Omega would love to match what you're doing. Thanks
please review dimitrij ovtcharov innerforce alc
Can you pls reveiw the stiga hybrid wood nct with a tenergy 19 both side bc this is my dream set up i would like to see it performance before buying it
Can u pls mention the following
1) amicus robot height / level
2) settings for location
3) settings for spin
4) settings for speed
5) trajectory details
This will be helpful. Thanks in advance
what about TTDSL still waiting for more videos....
Great Dan! Could you share what blade & rubber that you used?
is there will be a new season of ttdsl any time soon? love it..
Hey Dan !! How do we get hold of one of these robot as we are in New Zealand 😃 thanks !
nice video thanks admin
Nice video with that backhand you can beat pocket rocket for sure.
Center of gravity foreward , keep your back foreward , hit from the middle of your body , keep your hips low and back , feel your thumb as you contact , and hit in the line of your body , and feel your forearm more not only wrist, 🤗
Can you make videos comparing very bad or cheab racket like (gold cup 72-6) professional level rackets?
Great video Dan!
Could you please share your exercises settings (speed, angle, spin, location)? I have the amicus prime too and I would like to try those exercises. Thanks
Hey JMTTM thanks very much :) I'll send them to you as soon as I'm back at the HQ 💪🔥
@@TableTennisDaily could i get them as well?
Can you add the setting to this thread so all of us can see. Thank you very much.
@@TableTennisDaily Thanks Dan! Looking forward to that!
@@TableTennisDaily Hi Dan, any news on the exercise settings? Have you been back at the HQ yet?
Plz! Review of Rakza Z !
Can u suggest some drills or anything like that for improving footwork.
ayy guys sorry haven't been watching recently hope ur well dan!!!! Again if i can prove my worthyness to the club would really appreciate that !!!!
The 10,000-hour rule applies to "older players"...I spent 1.5 years 5-6 days a week on the Butterfly robot mixing it up with different spins/speed consistently for 1-2 hours a night so I could get my backhand to be equal to my Forehand. CONCLUSION: It destroyed my "match play" so I am now trying to fix it I have put the robot back in its bag. My strokes are good, and I am making a lot of "Hollywood shots" but overall I am messed up but it is starting to come around with more match play...I also practiced my serves every night for over 1 hour and it has helped raise my level although now, I am having to deal with the return balls from my spinney serves another thing to help me lose games...
Could you review the fastarc G1 please?
Can we get the Rocket explaining the backhand Dan. How about the beast to show us how to do the forehand.
Great job
Great video! Thanks so much. Your improvement is amazing. I never had the opportunity to pratice with a robot. 🥺
Remember the days of training with the one we had in bristol academy.
What racket will be good for a beginner to improve fast?
hello! I have an amicus prime, thanks for this video. what setup did you use to practice the backhand? I urgently need to improve it. Thank you
Do you have your specific seetings?
I tried Classic drills with no changes but balls goes so weird
I've seen you use the stiga dynasty.. what kind of rubber do you use?
Which rubber combination tom uses maximum time
Nice improvement! Which material did you use?
Dan my man you're amazing ;-;
Review Viscaria Super Alc 😉
Do u have some other arrangements than robots, video analysis.
Yep. Butterfly Amicus Prime is the best
thank you 😊
Where i can get that robot machine?
What the BGM at the beginning?
very helpful!
test please the zhang jike t5000
where can i get this robot
Your wrist is little stift same s mine. There are some streching excercise you could practice to improve flexibility.
Dan what blade are you using? It doesn't look like timo boll alc. Harimoto?
Harimoto ZLC
Awesome!
🔥
You use blade Patrick Franciska?
One little thing I think dan u didn't let your wrist loose enough and then explode with power with weight transfer with the forearm and your body
should've got the pocket to coach you. he's the one who's REALLY known for his insane backhands! ;) good job anyways though Dan. Keep it up!
Good stuff
Hi, What is the model of the robot?
Use your left hand as well to engage your core
One day, Dan Ives is gonna turn pro and take on the likes of Dima + Truls + Aruna et al in ITTF ranked matches. Looking forward to those days...
When I compare your strokes side by side, Patrik starts from below the table and your racket is always visible.