Just found this. Thank you Paul. This video is excellent and 100% convinced me to go through with buying the IDPA Hybrid. I am not at your level as a shooter so I will use it in IDPA and USPSA. Porting puts me in the USPSA Open class but until I get better, I'm competing against myself and not worried as long as I improve. If I ever get closer to your ability I can buy a non-IDPA Hybrid for USPSA! Thanks again, I'm learning from your videos.
@@BobKlee Hey Bob! Since this video, I have had this gun ported and I had a friend ask if I would do it again… and that answers is no. Why? Because I know I can personally achieve identical results through ammo and spring tuning… the one upside though is that I can use fairly hot factory ammo and it loves it. Anyhow, we will see you and Kicker around!
Thanks so much for your honest review. I was considering the Staccato XL or XC but now I am wavering and would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks again.
Awesome dude! Your soothing voice makes me feel everything is going to be okay. 😂 Been struggling with sticking with one pistol for USPSA myself so very relatable.
Super video young man! Lots of good info and footage.I ordered the DS9 a few months ago and Masterpiece were pros to deal with. If everyone operated like them it would truly be another World.
That is something I should’ve mentioned in the video… Mr Lyell has been nothing but helpful and responsive to anything I’ve needed. I’ve told others that once MPA figures out they not only build great guns… but have stellar service… they’re gonna have the problem of excessive demand (which is a problem I would never mind having 😂) Still have it on my bucket list to visit y’all for a match at T-Minus!
@@TheHumbleMarksman If you'd stop doing great reviews I could stop buying new guns! I worked an hour today earlier today to get a cadre of guns catalogued to sell from when I started following you :) My first was the Glock 34 because you shot one!!! All kidding aside it's been a great journey and I thank you.
Awesome video dude, waiting on some MPAs myself. In your opinion for USPSA do you think you left anything on the table using the alluminum grip? I'm very back and forth on aluminum vs steel grip.
As far as performance no. For me, a heavier gun “feels” nicer… but I have enough time on the gun to where I would probably not get an advantage. However, I’m always curious to see what the data says and could perhaps be a video one day!
@TheGentlemanGunner thanks for the response! I agree about the heavier guns generally having a perceived quality. But it doesn't look like the MPA needs any help returning to zero with the AL grip! I'm now in my indoor match season so tranitions are more important. I might just do an AL grip.
I rarely practice splits lol… but I can split the s2 a little faster with .13 and the occasional .11… more like .15 - .17 on the DS9. I recently hopped back on my S2s… I find the platform is a little more forgiving in my hits in general… but for the most part… my scores improved… but not because of platform… but because of time and practice. Tbh, you can’t throw enough money at a gun to buy an advantage… but you can buy comfort… and comfort creates confidence.
No, it tends to eject cases directly to the right. An extreme example is if you look at open guns… specifically Infinity’s optic mount… it covers the top side of the ejection port completely.
No I haven’t…. I’ve delayed it because of what I want to do for 2024. Keep it simple… USPSA, D.Alpha Flex Holster, Belt and pouches. IDPA, Red Hill Tactical (custom) and Comptac pouches.
Do you still have issues with the safety being activated by accident? I really want this gun but have seen other videos where the same thing happens to other people.I'm also a fast shooter and can see myself doing the same thing when i draw fast!. If you have found a solution please let me know.I wonder how it would be if you had your thumb resting above and on the safety?
Was a direct fit or did you have to have any extra work done for it to be compatible? Also, what type of lube do you use in your double stacks? I typically use Alexa’s Extreme in everything but not sure it that would be a good option.
@@JawnThicc that had to be fitted as well as profiled (trimmed down) on the side so it would fit in the IDPA box. I typically use Spartan Systems Accuracy Oil largely because it does leave a solid layer of lubrication on it. But I try not to focus on what brand of oil so much as when I do it. What’s norm for me is to oil it before I shoot and again before I put it back in the bag after I’m done shooting. On a major match, I’ll oil it mid-day as a safety precaution.
Have you ever experienced any slide lock issues? I picked up my DS9 Friday. I shot 250 rounds and everything g was perfect. Went back to the range last night and put 300 rounds through it and the slide only locked back 2 times out of the 20+ times I loaded my magazines at different capacities. I saw on a forum that there is an updated slide stop that is made with less material that resolves this issue, but I’m not sure if that was a Gen 1 issue or not. I ran all 7 of my magazines and every one of them failed, so it’s not an individual magazine issue.
If you’re using the IDPA Mags (which should goto slide lock on empty)… I have had it a handful of times have it not go into slide lock. For me, it was a cleaning related issue but I have had some MBX mags sometimes have “excess plastic” hanging off the edges and so I lightly sand all my followers and that cleans things up. However, I’ve never had it related to the actual slide lock itself on the gun. If you can’t solve it, reach out to them and they’ll take care of you!
@@TheGentlemanGunner Thank you! I used both the MBX and the MPA 17 round mags. I cleaned it today and will be shooting my first match with it tomorrow. I will reach out to MPA as well.
Mine don’t… but got them before that rule came out. But they now offer a ported barrel options for their IDPA gun I’ve come across so many definitions and “opinions” on comped/ported barrels for CO/ESP/CCP… bottomline… as long as you can fit it in their respective boxes… you can have a ported barrel or comp in those divisions. I shot the Zev OZ9 Hypercomp at TN State earlier this year… and saw several other comped guns (Staccato XCs)
I let David do the intro, I’ll do the high round count. I’m at approx 2k rounds as of now… I haven’t cleaned it at all as well as haven’t given it a “break-in” period… went straight to work. So, I’m debating if I should do it around 2500 or 5k… but that’s why it’s not out from me yet
Its their aggressive (A2) and I find that it’s Plenty aggressive to the point it has given me new calluses but I’ve got a solid grip on the gun. They recently released an “Extreme” (A3) that I’ve held and confident it would be excessive for my preference.
@@abyss1232 tbh… not really. When I hoped on my S2 from my Q5… I felt more confident shooting it harder and my scores improved… probably attribute it more to being comfortable and pushing myself more than a mechanical advantage of the gun… so I learn. In this case… I’d say no and prefer to shoot my S2 for USPSA. But I want to improve and want to do that by staying on one platform so this is why I’m staying here for a bit… It also didn’t help that I ordered the DS9s before I had my S2s… I then got my S2s and loved them while I was waiting for the DS9s. I just wasn’t interested in trying to make an S2 work for IDPA (hacking it up to make weight)… so I had these and said screw it… worst case I’ll get my moneys worth and have fun learning something new 😬
I went the 2011 route too for awhile. They are damn fine firearms. Great to shoot and it's a great community. I recently picked up my old CZ's and fell back in love with them. I totally agree with you though. One platform. Shoot the hell out of it. Nothing replaces repetition.
@@TheGentlemanGunner Thanks. I have a newer serial version and I may have 4-500 rounds through it. I noticed when cleaning it I have considerable slide rock. If it was there before, I never noticed it. Shoots like a dream though. I'll have to reach out to MPA and see what they say.
@TheGentlemanGunner well if you get the chance to look again ,maybe they are in stock .they have the shielded one's too, but I have the hyperion, and it's the only style safety that I can actually ride the safety and it be comfortable and you can get your support hand higher up. I have smaller hands, and they are still comfortable.
@@motoriderguy3854I was looking for the single side (I have to make it fit the IDPA box)… I might do something for LO specific and try out the ambi version then… thank you for looking out though 👊🏻👍🏻
If you bump the saftey up on these youll do it on every 1911 which is odd since cz safteys sit lower...if you're clamping down on the saftey with your mainhand you shouldnt be able to bump it up anyway. I did however swap them for the shielded double tap ones aswell. I should have gotten the non co witness plate, they cover too much of the window for my taste. thats my only gripe.
It’s funny… I did have issues with every other 1911/2011 platform… it was one of the reasons why I originally cancelled my Infinity build. Oddly enough though, under my old grip… my Staccato P never gave me issues… my support hand was literally on top of the safety… difference being that the detent pressure on the thumb safety is harder. As far as the CZ… can’t explain beyond what I mentioned… but what it looks like is my support hand “crowds” the safety… old grip never had pressure from my thumb… but the my thumb was probably riding it just enough to keep it down. I think that’s the fun (not really lol) in trying new things 😅
Sounds like he has little time on a vanilla 1911 in 45acp. That’ll bake a proper grip into your muscle memory. Shooting single stack would have made his mag change issues either technique or a polish job. Fast forward thru fitting a better shielded safety, mag well, mag release.
Sir, with all due respect …….I’m don’t think many people are interested in your personal history and travails. Tell us about the GUN and move along. We don’t want to know why you bought two of them or your personal learning curve or your choice of operable grips. A few introductory remarks are fine but jeez you don’t start talking about the 5000 round observations until 10 minutes in! Stick to the GUN - this video is wayyyy too loooonnnnnggggg.
Just found this. Thank you Paul. This video is excellent and 100% convinced me to go through with buying the IDPA Hybrid. I am not at your level as a shooter so I will use it in IDPA and USPSA. Porting puts me in the USPSA Open class but until I get better, I'm competing against myself and not worried as long as I improve. If I ever get closer to your ability I can buy a non-IDPA Hybrid for USPSA!
Thanks again, I'm learning from your videos.
@@BobKlee Hey Bob! Since this video, I have had this gun ported and I had a friend ask if I would do it again… and that answers is no. Why? Because I know I can personally achieve identical results through ammo and spring tuning… the one upside though is that I can use fairly hot factory ammo and it loves it. Anyhow, we will see you and Kicker around!
Thanks so much for your honest review. I was considering the Staccato XL or XC but now I am wavering and would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks again.
Great video. All of the stuff you went through is the reason why I dislike changing platforms so much.
Awesome dude! Your soothing voice makes me feel everything is going to be okay. 😂 Been struggling with sticking with one pistol for USPSA myself so very relatable.
This had me laughing 😂 … but hey… it is fun to shoot all sorts of pistols 😎
Nice video and review, Paul!
Great info. Thanks.
nice video and review, thanks
+100 about Kevin from Mission 160. Great range!
Super video young man! Lots of good info and footage.I ordered the DS9 a few months ago and Masterpiece were pros to deal with. If everyone operated like them it would truly be another World.
That is something I should’ve mentioned in the video… Mr Lyell has been nothing but helpful and responsive to anything I’ve needed. I’ve told others that once MPA figures out they not only build great guns… but have stellar service… they’re gonna have the problem of excessive demand (which is a problem I would never mind having 😂)
Still have it on my bucket list to visit y’all for a match at T-Minus!
Oh snap Keith is going to LO
@@TheHumbleMarksman If you'd stop doing great reviews I could stop buying new guns! I worked an hour today earlier today to get a cadre of guns catalogued to sell from when I started following you :) My first was the Glock 34 because you shot one!!!
All kidding aside it's been a great journey and I thank you.
I change my grip to accommodate the guns I shoot, I’m lefty shoot right. Built my 2011 w/ map grip 4 under 2500$. 🤘🏻
Masterpiece will now port these for 125 if you send barrels in.
I made the swap from a Shadow 2 to a DS9 LOC & had the same issues with bumping the safety.
Awesome video dude, waiting on some MPAs myself. In your opinion for USPSA do you think you left anything on the table using the alluminum grip? I'm very back and forth on aluminum vs steel grip.
As far as performance no. For me, a heavier gun “feels” nicer… but I have enough time on the gun to where I would probably not get an advantage. However, I’m always curious to see what the data says and could perhaps be a video one day!
@TheGentlemanGunner thanks for the response! I agree about the heavier guns generally having a perceived quality. But it doesn't look like the MPA needs any help returning to zero with the AL grip! I'm now in my indoor match season so tranitions are more important. I might just do an AL grip.
Looling at the Hybrid over the last 6 months. Sadly their prices are climbing and I am opting OUT
@TheGentlemanGunner Since it’s been a while now, how are your splits and scores with the DS9 compared to the Shadow 2? Thanks
I rarely practice splits lol… but I can split the s2 a little faster with .13 and the occasional .11… more like .15 - .17 on the DS9.
I recently hopped back on my S2s… I find the platform is a little more forgiving in my hits in general… but for the most part… my scores improved… but not because of platform… but because of time and practice. Tbh, you can’t throw enough money at a gun to buy an advantage… but you can buy comfort… and comfort creates confidence.
I had the chance to shoot one of these recently. For me and my experience, I don’t think I’d switch from my Rival S for the DS9… but I still want one!
I think we all secretly know where I’d be 😂
Wish the range wasn’t only to members. Been looking for a action range to rock when I’m in Dallas
Do you ever catch brass under the SRO with it? I've always heard of issues with the SRO being that close to ejection port.
No, it tends to eject cases directly to the right. An extreme example is if you look at open guns… specifically Infinity’s optic mount… it covers the top side of the ejection port completely.
I have an SRO on my DS9 LOC and it has never caught brass. I’ve put several thousand rounds through it.
Did you ever post the belt setup for this one?
No I haven’t…. I’ve delayed it because of what I want to do for 2024. Keep it simple… USPSA, D.Alpha Flex Holster, Belt and pouches. IDPA, Red Hill Tactical (custom) and Comptac pouches.
Do you still have issues with the safety being activated by accident? I really want this gun but have seen other videos where the same thing happens to other people.I'm also a fast shooter and can see myself doing the same thing when i draw fast!. If you have found a solution please let me know.I wonder how it would be if you had your thumb resting above and on the safety?
I don’t have any issues with that anymore. My solution was a shielded safety from Double Tap.
Is that the Atlas shielded safety? I have been a little disappointed with my PPF SF after 4000 rounds and am thinking about replacing it with the DS9.
No, it’s the Double Tap shielded safety (single sided).
Was a direct fit or did you have to have any extra work done for it to be compatible? Also, what type of lube do you use in your double stacks? I typically use Alexa’s Extreme in everything but not sure it that would be a good option.
@@JawnThicc that had to be fitted as well as profiled (trimmed down) on the side so it would fit in the IDPA box.
I typically use Spartan Systems Accuracy Oil largely because it does leave a solid layer of lubrication on it. But I try not to focus on what brand of oil so much as when I do it. What’s norm for me is to oil it before I shoot and again before I put it back in the bag after I’m done shooting. On a major match, I’ll oil it mid-day as a safety precaution.
Have you ever experienced any slide lock issues? I picked up my DS9 Friday. I shot 250 rounds and everything g was perfect. Went back to the range last night and put 300 rounds through it and the slide only locked back 2 times out of the 20+ times I loaded my magazines at different capacities. I saw on a forum that there is an updated slide stop that is made with less material that resolves this issue, but I’m not sure if that was a Gen 1 issue or not. I ran all 7 of my magazines and every one of them failed, so it’s not an individual magazine issue.
If you’re using the IDPA Mags (which should goto slide lock on empty)… I have had it a handful of times have it not go into slide lock. For me, it was a cleaning related issue but I have had some MBX mags sometimes have “excess plastic” hanging off the edges and so I lightly sand all my followers and that cleans things up. However, I’ve never had it related to the actual slide lock itself on the gun. If you can’t solve it, reach out to them and they’ll take care of you!
@@TheGentlemanGunner Thank you! I used both the MBX and the MPA 17 round mags. I cleaned it today and will be shooting my first match with it tomorrow. I will reach out to MPA as well.
Do the guns you purchased have ported barrels? Not even sure if this is allowed in IDPA Carry Optics.
Mine don’t… but got them before that rule came out. But they now offer a ported barrel options for their IDPA gun
I’ve come across so many definitions and “opinions” on comped/ported barrels for CO/ESP/CCP… bottomline… as long as you can fit it in their respective boxes… you can have a ported barrel or comp in those divisions. I shot the Zev OZ9 Hypercomp at TN State earlier this year… and saw several other comped guns (Staccato XCs)
When are we going to get a video on your DS9 LOC?
I let David do the intro, I’ll do the high round count. I’m at approx 2k rounds as of now… I haven’t cleaned it at all as well as haven’t given it a “break-in” period… went straight to work. So, I’m debating if I should do it around 2500 or 5k… but that’s why it’s not out from me yet
@@TheGentlemanGunner Awsome Thanks, I still have about 15 weeks until mine gets here
How do you like the grip? It is the their aggressive or standard version?
Its their aggressive (A2) and I find that it’s Plenty aggressive to the point it has given me new calluses but I’ve got a solid grip on the gun. They recently released an “Extreme” (A3) that I’ve held and confident it would be excessive for my preference.
They say "it's the Indian not the arrow" , but since you mentioned the Shadow 2, have your scores improved? Any vast difference is split times?
@@abyss1232 tbh… not really. When I hoped on my S2 from my Q5… I felt more confident shooting it harder and my scores improved… probably attribute it more to being comfortable and pushing myself more than a mechanical advantage of the gun… so I learn. In this case… I’d say no and prefer to shoot my S2 for USPSA. But I want to improve and want to do that by staying on one platform so this is why I’m staying here for a bit…
It also didn’t help that I ordered the DS9s before I had my S2s… I then got my S2s and loved them while I was waiting for the DS9s. I just wasn’t interested in trying to make an S2 work for IDPA (hacking it up to make weight)… so I had these and said screw it… worst case I’ll get my moneys worth and have fun learning something new 😬
I went the 2011 route too for awhile. They are damn fine firearms. Great to shoot and it's a great community. I recently picked up my old CZ's and fell back in love with them.
I totally agree with you though. One platform. Shoot the hell out of it. Nothing replaces repetition.
Wow... I'm only 1 hour away from you/mission 160 range.
Do you have any slide rock on your DS9s?
Nope
@@TheGentlemanGunner Thanks. I have a newer serial version and I may have 4-500 rounds through it. I noticed when cleaning it I have considerable slide rock. If it was there before, I never noticed it. Shoots like a dream though. I'll have to reach out to MPA and see what they say.
@@lawnmowerman25 I would definitely reach out to MPA… they have stellar customer service
You should stop bumping the safeties
I have one safety to bump sir
Put a atlas high ride safety on it and then ride your thumb on top of safety ,its comfortable.
I really wanted one of those and could never find one in stock 😔
@TheGentlemanGunner well if you get the chance to look again ,maybe they are in stock .they have the shielded one's too, but I have the hyperion, and it's the only style safety that I can actually ride the safety and it be comfortable and you can get your support hand higher up. I have smaller hands, and they are still comfortable.
@TheGentlemanGunner just looked on the Atlas website, and the right-hand ambi safety is in stock as of right now .
@TheGentlemanGunner but you will have to have it fit if you don't know how to do that .
@@motoriderguy3854I was looking for the single side (I have to make it fit the IDPA box)… I might do something for LO specific and try out the ambi version then… thank you for looking out though 👊🏻👍🏻
If you bump the saftey up on these youll do it on every 1911 which is odd since cz safteys sit lower...if you're clamping down on the saftey with your mainhand you shouldnt be able to bump it up anyway. I did however swap them for the shielded double tap ones aswell. I should have gotten the non co witness plate, they cover too much of the window for my taste. thats my only gripe.
It’s funny… I did have issues with every other 1911/2011 platform… it was one of the reasons why I originally cancelled my Infinity build. Oddly enough though, under my old grip… my Staccato P never gave me issues… my support hand was literally on top of the safety… difference being that the detent pressure on the thumb safety is harder. As far as the CZ… can’t explain beyond what I mentioned… but what it looks like is my support hand “crowds” the safety… old grip never had pressure from my thumb… but the my thumb was probably riding it just enough to keep it down. I think that’s the fun (not really lol) in trying new things 😅
This vs an atlas Athena?
I’m sure it would be interesting, but Atlas’ aren’t something I’m looking to review anytime soon.
@@TheGentlemanGunner thanks keep up the great videos
The new MA is supposed to be as good or better than the Atlas. Go to Humble Marksmen and see his review.
@@AraAshjian777 yes I know… that’s because that’s my gun 😂
Nice!!!!
Sounds like he has little time on a vanilla 1911 in 45acp. That’ll bake a proper grip into your muscle memory. Shooting single stack would have made his mag change issues either technique or a polish job. Fast forward thru fitting a better shielded safety, mag well, mag release.
it wasn't the gun malfunctioning.
Yes… I agree….
Sir, with all due respect …….I’m don’t think many people are interested in your personal history and travails. Tell us about the GUN and move along. We don’t want to know why you bought two of them or your personal learning curve or your choice of operable grips. A few introductory remarks are fine but jeez you don’t start talking about the 5000 round observations until 10 minutes in! Stick to the GUN - this video is wayyyy too loooonnnnnggggg.
Naw, I’m good. Real world application trumps easy. Appreciate the feedback though!