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Possibly a cousin of Aragorn and Arwen...the line of Dol Amroth is from the region Beren and Luthien retired to live out their days after Mandos granted them a mortal reincarnation.
It’s great to see respect for Beregond: loyal to the end of need be. It was Beregond’s son Bergil who fetched the healing herb. Loved seeing Imrahil get props. The discussion with Aragorn to divide the rule of the city and battlefield circled around mutual respect; great scenes!!
They could have used the grey company to fight at the helms deep instead of the elves if they needed to put foreign fighters in there. I like when Gimli says the rangers make the veteran battle hardened riders of Rohan look like little boys in comparison. 😂
@Jan.jan2024 I should have been more specific. It's on me. This is the very same standard I had in mind. It bears the heraldry of Elendil's house. Here's the exact quote from ROTK: "upon the foremost ship a great standard broke, and the wind displayed it as she turned towards the Harlond. There followed a White Tree, and that was for Gondor; but seven stars were about it, and a high crown above it, the signs of Elendil that no lord had borne for years beyond count. And the stars flamed in the sunlight, for they were wrought of gems by Arwen daughter of Elrond; and the crown was bright in the morning, for it was wrought of mithril and gold." JAMES
She is mentioned in the Villains counterpart to this video. Her role standing up to Ruffians & ending up in the Lockholes. Plus it notes that she became popular after her release & gave the family fortune to help the Hobbits hurt by Sharkey & his ruffians.
Beregond is similar in character to Farmer Maggot. Both very down-to-earth people capable of showing great courage, and good friends. I actually choked up when Beregond got appointed Captain to Faramir's guard as reward.
100% agree. I tear up every time I read that passage, both because of how Aragorn is portrayed and because Beregond’s Fidelity and valor is rewarded so beautifully
He's a very unusual Hobbit. Merry mentions that there are rumors he goes wandering in the Forest, and then Bombadil is familiar with him and respects him.... and yet he's not seen as strange to other Hobbits. Mostly they are distrustful of those that go wandering beyond the Shire's bounds, but everyone respects Maggot so much he maintains his good reputaion among Hobbits.
@josh0g He doesn't exactly have a good reputation. Early drafts even included a scene from Frodo's childhood, where he steals mushrooms and is caught by Maggot, but Frodo is rescued by Bilbo. Bilbo and Maggot exchange harsh insults and threats unusual for hobbits. Bilbo even threatens to kill Maggot if he unleashes the hounds again. "I'll kill you, and no one will miss you," is roughly what Bilbo says. Later, Tolkien decided this was too bloodthirsty for hobbits and removed the scene. But Maggot's unpleasant character remained. He doesn't have the best reputation among hobbits; he's more feared and respected than loved.
@winter-rabbit while that information about Maggot is interesting (and his name does suggest an unpleasant character - a thing Tolkien did with at least Wormtongue) one must only make judgements based upon what is in the final draft. *Note: Not that I'm suggesting that you might be critical of Tolkien about this but I have heard others criticising the way Tolkien gave characters or things (such as mountains e.g. Mount Doom) 'weak' names based on their nature; this isn't bad writing: These are cases of colloquial names e.g. Stormcrow (a name Gandalf was sometimes called).
Glorfindel is the one I consider the biggest hero of all Middle Earth! Slaying a Balrog on his own, resurrects by Manwe and then confronts the Nazguls like every day before breakfast! 11 out of 10 points in heroism and pure awesomeness! 😎
But the LOTR version was an accidental reuse of character name and not the same character. Tolkien himself wrote about the error in notes on The Return of the Shadow (volume VI of the series The History of Middle‑earth). I do agree that the original Glorfindel was awesome, but given the one in LOTR was a lesser elf - I personally think Jackson made a good choice.
@AdyXerBut the story goes Glorfindrl killed the Balrog and died. He was resurrected by Manwe inte an almost angelic powerful new form in Valinor. Then sailed in the 2nd age to Middleearth with the purpose of helping the free people thus helping Frodo at the Ford against the Nazgul.
@josephshrike3972you've checked the facts? Tolkien himself admits it and has to retrofit a reincarnation of Glorfindel? It was two different elves, you can't reuse elf names. Erm, please check before replying.
@morgankarlsson6505that's a retrofit, in the original draft he made a mistake but rathe than change the name in later publications of LOTR or change the name of the character in the Silmarillion, he came up with the 'unique resurrection/retrofit story'. Hence my comment is valid. This is easily verifiable online.
Two honourable mentions: Goldberry, Tom Bombadil's wife and in her own right the mistress over water and nature, and Ioreth, the nurse who helped Gandalf collect necessary herbs and assisted Aragorn in the House of Healing where they saved lots of patients in Minas Tirith.
Ioreth's words were even used as a sign to recognize Aragorn as the rightful king, with Gandalf calling her a "Seer of Gondor"... Which is cool in itself because of the casual way in which she threw those words away.
In my imagination, I have an image of Glorfindel joining the Fellowship, and meeting Durin’s Bane face-to-face in Moria. And what does the Balrog say? “Hey! Aren’t you the guy who killed my brother?”
Don't forget Ham "Gaffer" Gamgee, Sam's father. His conversations in The Ivy Bush open the first book and show the reputations of Bilbo and Frodo in the shire.
Though not missing from the movie per se, I missed the Faramir of the books from the movie. He was a noble born man who lived in the shadow of his older brother and was constantly compared to him unfavourably by his father. Yet, he never let it control his fate like the downbeaten character we got in the movies. Unlike Boromir, Faramir is the first man in the books to successfully resist the power of the One Ring. But they removed that moment from Faramir in the movie and gave it to Aragorn instead. I'm afraid a lot of the other significant characters of the movie got downgraded when onscreen next to Aragorn and that took away a lot of the incredible depth of Tolkien's world for me.
I remember watching, I think it was Philipa Boyens, in the DVD set's Special Features in hopes of getting some sort of explanation for the changes. I really liked the movies, and I know you can't depict everything in the books onscreen, but what she came up with was, "It just didn't work". What!!!??? It was like I had the breath knocked out of me. JAMES
Because if you have a character like Faramir as-written appear in the movies, the Ring itself starts to seem like it lacks power against anyone who is remotely noble.
Before Maggot, there should have been Gildor. Gildor, like Glorfindel and Galadriel, is one of the very few elves left in middle-earth that as lived in Aman, and has seen the light of the trees. There are probably a few more in Rivendel, that Tolkien never names. He mentions that, there were only three in Rivendel, that could ride out agains't the Nazgul. Glorfindel rode west, while two others rode north and south. But we do not know the names of the other two. Only elves that have lived in Aman, can truly face down the Nazgul, because they have a strong presence in both the seen and the unseen world. Hence, Frodo sees Glorfindel as glowing figure, when he has almost become a wraith, because of his strong presence in the unseen world.
A few quick points on Glorfindel: - He defeats a Balrog in single combat - His spiritual aura is so powerful that they can't send him with the Fellowship because all the main bad guys can "see" it easily - Like Gandalf, he was sent back to Middle Earth after dying, so that he could do more epic stuff
Also, when Frodo reaches the Ford of Bruinen on Asfaloth, he turns around and as the water rises, the Nazgûl run INTO the water, because they're so TERRIFIED of Glorfindel who, to Frodo, looks like "a figure of white light".
@AAlaknárZ that is due to glorfindel being one of the last high elves left in middle earth by the 3rd age so he exists in both realms. please note tolkien himself raised this point in the books but the films don't
Not including Aragorn's fellow rangers in the movies was the biggest miss for me. Their appearance and role in the books was very memorable and important. Shame to leave them out bc they also gave more context to Aragorn's character.
"Did we just watch him powerbomb a Balrog off the walls of Gondolin? Rezz that guy! Resurrect him right now! I want to see what else he does." -- the Valar watching Glorfindel
People who don't realise it two different people and a (retconned) mistake by Tolkien (we he not only admitted but wrote about) are going to be disappointed 😢.
I waited for 3 movies to see the Swan Knights of Dol Amroth enter Minas Tirith and I was so crushed that it was cut. I know they were just a tiny piece of the books but it stayed with me how noble they were.
I loved Gondor in the books, and sure the destruction of Gondor is highly notable. I think the movies did Gondor dirty though, sort of feels like Gondor is smaller than Rohan with just historical architecture and soldiers getting their asses whipped
@tombergendahl7652the movie makers paid every ounce of tribute to everything they touched. Watch the appendices of the special edition and see for urself
Yeah, I think most people don't realize that Merry stabbing the Witch King is what breaks his protective spells and allows Eowyn to kill him. Too me, Peter Jackson ruined to whole scene at the river by inserting Arwen for Glorfindel. Frodo stands alone at the river and its a powerful scene in the book as he tries to command them to go back to Mordor before passing out.
I am sure a major problem was filming a hobbit riding a horse; probably impossible to do any longshots without it looking like a ragdoll strapped to a horse. And my guess is that they were still following the initial 2 film script where Arwen was a warrior; something that changed as Jackson realized that Tolkien knew how to tell a story well despite nothing apparently happening. Also, not that Jackson fully admitted this, vast amounts of the first 2 films were really expanded live-action versions of the Ralph Bakshi 1978 LotR cartoon some scene for scene copies as if the cartoon was his rough draft e.g. the hobbits first confronting the Black Riders on their way to Bree. Shot-by-shot a copy of Bakshi and nothing like the book where Merry I think had gone head to prepare Frodo's new house and so was not part of that encounter. Further, Bakshi swaps Glorfindel for Legolas (and Aragorn greets Legolas as a trusted friend) but given it was cartoon he was truthful to the book and Frodo rode alone to the river on Legolas's steed.
I wish we were able to be introduced to Elrond’s sons Elladan and Elrohir. They would be of age and ready for combat. Glorfindel was by far the strongest and deadliest Elve.
Another fun fact about Prince Imrahil that I wish you mentioned is that he's Boromir and Faramir's uncle. Denethor was married to his elder sister, Finduilas.
Bergil was a good companion to Pippin and provided more exposition than his father had time for. He’s the one who gets the reader up to date on the situation in Minas Tirith, the incoming reinforcements but most especially the evacuation of the city and surrounding lands. These latter groups, the inhabitants of the city and the farmlands of the Pelennor fields, were also huge omissions in the movie (ROTK), actually impacting the landscape of the fields, turning a patchwork of farms into a drab featureless plain.
You mentioned Gildor in passing. "Gildor Inglorion of the House of Finrod," who Pippin, Sam, and Frodo meet near Woodhall, is the first glimpse readers get of elves in LOTR, and for me its a memorable passage, highlighting cultural and material differences between mortals and elvenkind. In the film adaptation, we get Sam being wistful as a group of elves pass in the distance. Not quite the same impact, but I understand the need to tell a visual story with a simplified structure.
Gildor provided Frodo, Sam, and Pippin with safety for the night, and it was because of his message that Elrond sent Glorfindel out to find Frodo: a small but integral part in the War of the RIng.
Also, like Glorfindel, Gildor is a hero of the first age. He was killed in the Nirnaeth when his company was the first to charge, and their wrath was so great they made it all the way through the gates of Thangorodrim. Gildor and his company were surrounded and killed on the very stairs of Morgoth’s great citadel.
@nobeardthepirate8569 - I think you have Gildor Inglorion mixed with another Elf character, also named Gildor, who was one of the 12 outlaw companions of Barahir. He was killed in year FA 460 during a raid by Morgoth's Orcs on their camp in the highlands of Dothonian. The only Elf ever resurrected after death and sent back to Middle Earth was Glorfindel.
That basket of mushrooms from Farmer Maggot was a (very English) joke, a way of saying Frodo was forgiven for past thefts, and a blessing. A subtle person in the shape of "just a farmer."
And Merry. From the first book, Merry was the smartest and most independent hobbit of them all. He learned about the ring back in Bilbo's time, protected Frodo, prepared a pony with supplies at his own expense, and organized the entire journey where the naive romantic Frodo hoped to get by with a few crackers and a leisurely stroll. But Jackson stupidly turned him into a carrot-stealing clown. It was disgusting.
It is amazing that the lore is so deep, there is a list of the literally heros, ledgends, main characters, that were not included. Not to mention dozens more is secondary characters.
Gildor Inglorion is my favorite elf. Don't know why exactly. I think because he was the first one to save Frodo and Sam from the Nazgul by the elves singing. And he referred Frodo as elf friend and because he was around during the time of the Noldors. I really like him. He and the elves took care of the hobbits. Gildor gave some good advise to Frodo as well as good food and places to sleep. They took such good care of them.
One of the things that is completely left out of the movies is that Pippen and Merry were very prepared to leave. They had pack ponies ready to go at a moment's notice. They were capable and not caught off guard and supported Frodo completely. Bombadil didn't so much resist the One Ring as the Ring had no power over him at all.
Very minor role in LoTR, but honorable mention to Gil-Galad. He fights and dies with Elendil defeating Sauron before Isildur cuts the Ring from Sauron's corpse.
11 heroes at the least - and a huge amount of genuine character development. These adaptations could have been so much worse. I can only be grateful they weren't.
I can't like this video enough times...! I am a huge Glorfindel fan since reading about him as a child, but the reason I clicked "watch" to find our if Erkenbrand made the list (and he did!!!), because he is another secret favorite who tilts the tide of the war just by being a solid, valiant leader of the Westfold and being prepared and courageous. EDIT: Oh-my-gosh! Then you added Ghan-buri-ghan! Perfect list. Well done!
Barliman Butterbur is also very much responsible for The Hobbits getting their Barrow-blades. If not for him forgotting to send Gandalf's letter to Bag End, Frodo would have left the Shire early unimpeded by the Nazgul. This would mean that he would have left the Shire through a normal route and not through the Old Forest, meaning that none of the stuff with Tom Bombadil or the Barrow-wight would have ever happened and Merry would not have been able to mortally wound the Witch King. Yet another example of how every single thing that happened to the Fellowship along their journey served a greater purpose.
@butchgreeneYeah. A lot of people cope by saying that daggers Aragorn gave to the Hobbits were Barrow-blades, but that doesn’t work because Merry loses that dagger at the end of Fellowship and is given a Rohirrim blade for the Battle of Pelennor Fields. The Witch King's defeat is one aspect of this adaptation that just doesn't work at all.
It would have made more sense to have the Grey Company show up at Helm's Deep rather than the Elves, in the films, at least then they could have kept them in the story and gone on to the Paths of the Dead and would have been a less glaring and ridiculous deviation. Haldir's death scene could have been more appropriately transferred to Halbarad's death on the Pelennor Fields, too.
"Ridiculous" is a rather strong choice of words for something that was a logistical shift on a time crunch. While they and the studio originally wanted Arwen to be at Helm's Deep, they (thankfully) decided to axe that, but still had filmed a whole bunch of footage with Elves alongside Men. Rather than cut it all, or completely reconstruct the film which could take months, they kept portions of it in. The arrival of the Elves was a POWERFUL, goosebump-inducing moment in the movies, even if it wasn't in the book, as was Haldir's death. It was only curmudgeonly neckbeards who think themselves purists who didn't enjoy those moments.
@Llama_paints_minis Not only are you insulting people but also don't understand why Tolkien fans dislike it, one of if not the biggest point in the book is that the elves are leaving and the men step up and are worthy to lead Middle Earth, men are pretty much on their on for the most part and aside from other reasons why the inclusion of elves is dumb like for example, War of the Last Alliance does Jackson and Co know why War of the Last Alliance is called that, it is because it's the WAR OF THE LAST ALLIANCE OF ELVES AND MEN it's in the name, again outside of other reasons these are probably the most important and why it's an a assassination of not just The Lord of the Rings but the whole mythology and one of it's biggest themes. I suggest reading the Legendarium and about Tolkien's life and then you may understand it, instead of insulting people when you know very little about the subject, just a thought
Halbarad and Prince Imrahil are my favourite "second rank" characters in the books. Both are just so epic. I have to admit I cried a little, when I played LOTRO and the Rangers died at the Battle of the Pelennor. Their journey south would also make for a nice mini-series.
15:25 i remember that Aragorn revokes him from guard citadel not because he defied Denethor's orders, but because he spilled blood in the sacred chambers of Minas Tirith
A little detail you could also have mentioned for Halbarad is that he was with Aragorn when Aragorn looked into the palantir at the Helms Deep and its even implied Halbarad also looked into the Palantir himself, because he knew he was gonna die on the Pelennor Fields, but went anyways. Honorable mention should go to Hirgon (Gondor messenger who delivers the Red Arrow). In the movies they went with the beacons.
This also shows that Peter Jackson completely misunderstands the book. The scene at Barrow Wights reveals why Frodo is the leader of the hobbits. While previously Frodo was little more than a burden dragged to Rivendale by his friends (the entire trip was organized and paid for by Merry), in Barrow Wights Frodo shows strength of character and becomes a leader.
Ok,it would've taken so much time if they put Bombadil in the movie but his resistance to the Ring would've been interesting in a brief scene and him giving the Hobits the blades made in Arnor that could hurt the Witch King should've been there. This way Eowyn killed the Witch KIng only because she's a woman lmao!
Can we also point out the reason glorfindel was cut was because he was like the number 1 ranked in middle earth for PvP and had infact killed a balrog back in the day, and when it says he could face the 9 it means he could go 1vs9 and win
Funny you mentioned PVP because as I watched the video I was thinking to myself Glorfindel 1v1 a Balrog and then 1 v 9 the Nazgul all by lunchtime. He was, as a boy, and still is, as an old man, my favorite character in all of Tolkien's works. There are S Tier characters and then there's Glorfindel"s Tier above that.
The thing is they didn't know how or they didn't have time how to introduce Arwen's character,I forgive them.But Glorifindel should've been in the second movie.
I sorely missed Halbarad & The Grey Company, Elrohir & Elladan . . . as companions of Aragorn they held the North for years against the rise of Sauron . . . True heroes of the tale with untold stories . . .
of all of the above, I was mostly awed by imrahil, when i was reading the books. The gondorians in the movie are so uniformed, there is not even a single referance to the reinforcements they got and it's impact on the city's strength and morale. And while gondor's army was mostly a bunch of light-infantry or light cavelry, dol Amroth's core force was HEAVY KNIGHTS. Imrahil and dol amroth was the "arthur and camelot" of gondor. It was sad to see them missing. But, it is understandable that if all the lore was included, instead of 3 movies we would end up having 10.
Yeah that’s the real tear for me. The movies are excellent, some of the best films ever, but I understand why keeping it to 3 films with notable cuts was not just warranted but necessary. As a book purist it hurts, as a fan of film, I can’t blame PJ.
I think Glorfindel deserves more time explaining because he is such an epic character even though he gets largely ignored Fair to say though if you dont venture outside the LOTR trilogy he may well a complete mystery.
I would include Eomer in this list. His character was drastically underused in the films. His presence at Helm's Deep is important because it shows Aragorn and Eomer bonding as friends while holding off orc hordes at the gates by themselves while Gimli watched. As for Imrahil, in the books there are three people who are uninjured after the Battle of Pelennor Fields and the are Aragorn, Eomer, and Imrahil. This shows how good at fighting these three really were. He did also have elvish lineage as well. Just one of the best background characters of the books.
Indeed, Eomer is a true king and leader of his people, remained loyal to king and his people even when he was banished, riding and hunting orcs without rest all over the place, returning to kings side at first word, without a word. True badass
Everyone always says that movies have to cut out book scenes to fit time constraints, but then why do they add multiple lengthy scenes that WEREN'T in the book? And frequently don't improve the book at all?
I am missing Ioreth of the houses of healing, who saved Faramir, Eowyn and Merry in her own way, remembering all of Ahelas and the healing hands of the Kings. And Rosies Father, who stood up alone agains the ruffians of Saruman. And Willy Whitefoot, the Mayor and even Lobelia who got her hero moment in the end. Tolkien was masterful in writing about the courage of the "ordinary" people. Btw: little detail correction: Erkenbrand did not ride to help Helms deep - he *run*. Gandalf says that the rescue was due to "the sturdy legs of the westfold men" (among other things) who run for almost a whole day to come to aid. Also: i love Beregond so much, that i named my Larp-Character after his son, Bergil.
Apparently Jackson hates anything to do with magic or special powers hence the virtual elimination of them in the films which was a huge pity because the Old Forest, Bombadil, The true King is a healer; Fangorn waters healing the hobbits etc; all made ME a special and different place that is more alive and self-aware than our planet is now.
@davidbellamy2612 One of the many reasons why the live action films are an a assassination, completely ignoring and misunderstanding the themes, as an example just watch the scene with Gandalf and Pippin about death and if you know about the mythology and perhaps it's greatest theme, one which Tolkien himself struggled and worked on for most of his life, and to see it destroyed, assassinated...in just a little bit more than a minute that's probably the worst scene in the live action films, which is saying a lot
Prince Imraheril is the most frustrating cut because he would have a great character to be in the movies, but the cast was already very crowded. To do the books real justice the whole thing needed either two more feature length movies or an 18-21/22 episode series.
Exactly. And if it were a series with seasons, it would have the opposite problem of soap opera-like cliffhangers and artificial drama to fill space. See: Game of Thrones and literally every fantasy adaptation.
LOTR is a book of tales (and tales within tales), and each tale would need its own movie. I don't think that 22 episodes would be enough to do this book justice. For what three long movies could make out of it, I think PJ did a good job. And the movies were visually stunning, with a good pace. I never liked the casting of Frodo, but overall, I was satisfied (especially Gandalf). Not so much with the Hobbit trilogy.
@c.augustinEspecially when you throw in the backstories from the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, and Tolkien's notes and letters. Why they went with Rings of Power is a real head scratcher for me. The Lord of the Rings, as you say can be its own series. As many as seven seasons of 25 episodes if you throw in The Silmarillion. THEN you can add new stuff like RoP. Maybe a series taking place in The East and South of Middle Earth. That could be a couple of series exploring the effects of Morgoth's and Sauron's corrupting influence, why Men would side with them, and how some would have fought that influence.
The Grey Company and essentially the rewrite of film 3 in whatever future adaptation (fingers crossed for a animation 1:1 adaptation) will be a special treat for the people that only got to enjoy the films!
I would love to see Halbarad, the Sons of Elrond, and the Gray company in The Hunt for Gollum. I fear that the new film will be bad, and I hope it is not just a money grab. If done well it could be good.
I loved the trilogy and I don’t think it will be bettered. However my main complaint is that he portrayed Gimli as a bit of a buffoon instead of the serious person he was.
6:00 Fun fact: Tolkien modeled Fatty Bolger off of Whitey Bolger, a wise and heroic OG who strove to protect his 'hood from the prying eyes of outsiders
i so missed Prince Imrahil and the Swan Knights and watching Elladan and Elrohir fighting "with stars upon their brows" Sigh! But the generally in good filmmaking you don't introduce major characters in the third film. Completely understandable but a regret nonetheless. Also I really wanted to hear Denethor say "I sent my son, unthanked, unblessed and into needless peril." but alas no...
Thats one of the few good changes I thought the Hobbit movies did, I like that they introduced and established Bard before his moment of killing Smaug, always found it weird in the book how we don't meet him until its his time to kill the dragon.
In the book, Erkenbrand and his 1000 men walked to Helm’s Deep. They did not ride. Gandalf referred to “the stout legs of the Wewstfold men, marching through the night.”
I kinda miss Gwaihir on this list. The king of the eagles is in the movie per se, but is somewhat reduced to a flying taxi for Gandalf while his role in the books is far more important.
Glorfindel sacrificed his life to save a 7 year old Earendil. Without him half the characters in the trilogy don't even exist. For that reason alone he should have been given an awesome scene with the Nazgul in the movies as a head nod to the first age literature.
Without Earendil the valar may not launch the war of wrath and Morgoth may not be overthrown and Thangorodrim broken. In which case non of the characters from LOTR would be in middle earth (maybe some of the elves would have fled to Valinor).
*CORRECTION:* Accidentally said Glorfindel came back in Third Age when he seems to have come back in Second Age… to be honest there seems to be some confusion and debate about this in the fandom? This is why I need to make a Glorfindel video and research it all. I haven’t done a complete read through of those works yet. So it’ll be fun to do a first read and then make a video all about Glorfindel!
Yes, please, if anyone deserves that, it's Glorfindel. Because each time PJ's fanboys start rambling how faithful and accurate and by the book LotR was, and that changes were made only for the sake of runtime (which could be true in the case of Bombadil), I want to scream Glorfindel's name in their ears. One of the most renowned elves of Middle-Earth, whom PJ deliberately deleted from the story and gave his epic moments and accomplishments to a girlboss - who in turn was anything but a girlboss in Tolkien's own vision.
After his re-embodiment, Manwë had given Glorfindel powers nearly equal to the Maiar, to help him in his mission in Middle-earth. He was considered one of the most powerful Elves from Rivendell, given by his powerful and almost "angelic" presence, which had made the Black Riders flee many times.He also had medicinal knowledge, as seen when he tends to Frodo's wounds
how do elves return? like Gandalf? or an average elf family has a bouncy baby elf that as soon as it can learn to speak turns to his parents and tells them "I'm Glorfindel"? 💀
@alexiachimciuc3199 Glorfindel was re-embodied in Valinor. Tolkien suggests he returned to Middle Earth either in the Second Age on a Numenorean Ship or came in the Third Age with Gandalf.
Yeah, but Farmer Maggot didn't know WHAT he was facing. He likely wouldn't have if somehow he did. And in general, it was still possible to push the Nazgul off because they didn't want to fully expose their presence yet.
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One thing you forgot to mention about Prince Imrahil was that he had elvish blood. Legolas immediately realized it when he saw him.
Also he was a blood relative to faramir.
@marckrieger3277 if im right he is faramir and boromirs oncle
Possibly a cousin of Aragorn and Arwen...the line of Dol Amroth is from the region Beren and Luthien retired to live out their days after Mandos granted them a mortal reincarnation.
It’s great to see respect for Beregond: loyal to the end of need be. It was Beregond’s son Bergil who fetched the healing herb. Loved seeing Imrahil get props. The discussion with Aragorn to divide the rule of the city and battlefield circled around mutual respect; great scenes!!
The legend is that the prince & his ancestors were descended from a Silvan Elf named Mithrellas.
Yeah the Grey Company Rangers are like the Delta Force of Middle Earth
The grey company should have had at least a “cameo” appearance, if not much more. Yes, I agree the Third Age Delta Force!
Yes, I missed them. The unveiling of Elendil's standard at the Pelenor Fields is one of my favorite scenes in the books. JAMES
They could have used the grey company to fight at the helms deep instead of the elves if they needed to put foreign fighters in there. I like when Gimli says the rangers make the veteran battle hardened riders of Rohan look like little boys in comparison. 😂
And the Eagles are like Delta Air 😅😅😅
@Jan.jan2024 I should have been more specific. It's on me. This is the very same standard I had in mind. It bears the heraldry of Elendil's house. Here's the exact quote from ROTK: "upon the foremost ship a great standard broke, and the wind displayed it as she turned towards the Harlond. There followed a White Tree, and that was for Gondor; but seven stars were about it, and a high crown above it, the signs of Elendil that no lord had borne for years beyond count. And the stars flamed in the sunlight, for they were wrought of gems by Arwen daughter of Elrond; and the crown was bright in the morning, for it was wrought of mithril and gold." JAMES
Halbarad foresaw that it would lead to his own death if he followed Aragorn through the paths of the dead. Yet he went anyway.
Savage
Thus proving that he didn't fear death
The very definition of courage: feel the fear and do it anyway.
You forgot Lobelia, she stood up to Saruman/Sharkey, when everyone else were cowed.
Probably left out since that occurs in the Scouring of the Shire, which didn't make the movie
Ah, Sackville Baggins- she came good in the end!
She is mentioned in the Villains counterpart to this video. Her role standing up to Ruffians & ending up in the Lockholes. Plus it notes that she became popular after her release & gave the family fortune to help the Hobbits hurt by Sharkey & his ruffians.
Beregond is similar in character to Farmer Maggot. Both very down-to-earth people capable of showing great courage, and good friends. I actually choked up when Beregond got appointed Captain to Faramir's guard as reward.
100% agree. I tear up every time I read that passage, both because of how Aragorn is portrayed and because Beregond’s Fidelity and valor is rewarded so beautifully
Another character missing is Beregond’s son.
It's a great end to that character arc. I was really hoping to see Beregond in the RotK. Oh well.
He was one of my absolute favourite, possibly my actual favourite from the books!
Me too,one of my favorite things in the book.
Farmer Maggot is an absolute legend, Threatening the Nazguls if they don't get of his lands he will call his dogs.
He's a very unusual Hobbit. Merry mentions that there are rumors he goes wandering in the Forest, and then Bombadil is familiar with him and respects him.... and yet he's not seen as strange to other Hobbits. Mostly they are distrustful of those that go wandering beyond the Shire's bounds, but everyone respects Maggot so much he maintains his good reputaion among Hobbits.
@josh0g
He doesn't exactly have a good reputation. Early drafts even included a scene from Frodo's childhood, where he steals mushrooms and is caught by Maggot, but Frodo is rescued by Bilbo. Bilbo and Maggot exchange harsh insults and threats unusual for hobbits. Bilbo even threatens to kill Maggot if he unleashes the hounds again. "I'll kill you, and no one will miss you," is roughly what Bilbo says. Later, Tolkien decided this was too bloodthirsty for hobbits and removed the scene. But Maggot's unpleasant character remained. He doesn't have the best reputation among hobbits; he's more feared and respected than loved.
@winter-rabbit while that information about Maggot is interesting (and his name does suggest an unpleasant character - a thing Tolkien did with at least Wormtongue) one must only make judgements based upon what is in the final draft. *Note: Not that I'm suggesting that you might be critical of Tolkien about this but I have heard others criticising the way Tolkien gave characters or things (such as mountains e.g. Mount Doom) 'weak' names based on their nature; this isn't bad writing: These are cases of colloquial names e.g. Stormcrow (a name Gandalf was sometimes called).
I imagine the doge were grateful not to be called.
*Grabs his shotgun*
Glorfindel is the one I consider the biggest hero of all Middle Earth! Slaying a Balrog on his own, resurrects by Manwe and then confronts the Nazguls like every day before breakfast! 11 out of 10 points in heroism and pure awesomeness! 😎
But the LOTR version was an accidental reuse of character name and not the same character. Tolkien himself wrote about the error in notes on The Return of the Shadow (volume VI of the series The History of Middle‑earth).
I do agree that the original Glorfindel was awesome, but given the one in LOTR was a lesser elf - I personally think Jackson made a good choice.
@AdyXerBut the story goes Glorfindrl killed the Balrog and died. He was resurrected by Manwe inte an almost angelic powerful new form in Valinor. Then sailed in the 2nd age to Middleearth with the purpose of helping the free people thus helping Frodo at the Ford against the Nazgul.
@AdyXeryou keep posting this but it's not correct. They are the same Elf.
@josephshrike3972you've checked the facts? Tolkien himself admits it and has to retrofit a reincarnation of Glorfindel? It was two different elves, you can't reuse elf names. Erm, please check before replying.
@morgankarlsson6505that's a retrofit, in the original draft he made a mistake but rathe than change the name in later publications of LOTR or change the name of the character in the Silmarillion, he came up with the 'unique resurrection/retrofit story'. Hence my comment is valid. This is easily verifiable online.
The meeting with Gildor and the Elves in the Shire, the scene has a dreamlike and faerielike atmosphere about Eldar that I always loved!
Two honourable mentions: Goldberry, Tom Bombadil's wife and in her own right the mistress over water and nature, and Ioreth, the nurse who helped Gandalf collect necessary herbs and assisted Aragorn in the House of Healing where they saved lots of patients in Minas Tirith.
its great to give some credit to the women in the books 👍
Ioreth's words were even used as a sign to recognize Aragorn as the rightful king, with Gandalf calling her a "Seer of Gondor"... Which is cool in itself because of the casual way in which she threw those words away.
Of all the characters Jackson cut...I miss Bombadil the most.
@hurin_thalion11The whole dynamic between her and Gandalf was hilarious.
And Círdan. He is glimpsed only twice, at the very beginning & at the very end. He is the one who gave Gandalf his Ring of Power, Narya.
Glorfindel encountering the Nazgul
"You boys in the wrong neighborhood"
He probably said; I have faced far greater foes than combining all of you shits..
@YudumAlkan🤣
"I ran into three of them, and they fled before me.
Then I ran into two more, and they left as well. "
Freaking legend.
In my imagination, I have an image of Glorfindel joining the Fellowship, and meeting Durin’s Bane face-to-face in Moria. And what does the Balrog say? “Hey! Aren’t you the guy who killed my brother?”
I always wondered if I was the only person who thought Prince Imrahil was the coolest person in the book. I'm glad I'm not alone.
For me also. I mean I love the movies but we were snubbed.
Eh? Madness.....
If LOTR was a TV series with 12 episodes per season for 3 seasons, these characters would have been given their due.
Don't forget Ham "Gaffer" Gamgee, Sam's father. His conversations in The Ivy Bush open the first book and show the reputations of Bilbo and Frodo in the shire.
Though not missing from the movie per se, I missed the Faramir of the books from the movie. He was a noble born man who lived in the shadow of his older brother and was constantly compared to him unfavourably by his father. Yet, he never let it control his fate like the downbeaten character we got in the movies. Unlike Boromir, Faramir is the first man in the books to successfully resist the power of the One Ring. But they removed that moment from Faramir in the movie and gave it to Aragorn instead. I'm afraid a lot of the other significant characters of the movie got downgraded when onscreen next to Aragorn and that took away a lot of the incredible depth of Tolkien's world for me.
Well said sir!
There was no reason to change Faramir other than just to do it. It was one of a number of things I did not appreciate.
I remember watching, I think it was Philipa Boyens, in the DVD set's Special Features in hopes of getting some sort of explanation for the changes. I really liked the movies, and I know you can't depict everything in the books onscreen, but what she came up with was, "It just didn't work". What!!!??? It was like I had the breath knocked out of me. JAMES
Because if you have a character like Faramir as-written appear in the movies, the Ring itself starts to seem like it lacks power against anyone who is remotely noble.
@Llama_paints_minis Horse manure
Before Maggot, there should have been Gildor. Gildor, like Glorfindel and Galadriel, is one of the very few elves left in middle-earth that as lived in Aman, and has seen the light of the trees. There are probably a few more in Rivendel, that Tolkien never names. He mentions that, there were only three in Rivendel, that could ride out agains't the Nazgul. Glorfindel rode west, while two others rode north and south. But we do not know the names of the other two. Only elves that have lived in Aman, can truly face down the Nazgul, because they have a strong presence in both the seen and the unseen world. Hence, Frodo sees Glorfindel as glowing figure, when he has almost become a wraith, because of his strong presence in the unseen world.
A few quick points on Glorfindel:
- He defeats a Balrog in single combat
- His spiritual aura is so powerful that they can't send him with the Fellowship because all the main bad guys can "see" it easily
- Like Gandalf, he was sent back to Middle Earth after dying, so that he could do more epic stuff
Also, when Frodo reaches the Ford of Bruinen on Asfaloth, he turns around and as the water rises, the Nazgûl run INTO the water, because they're so TERRIFIED of Glorfindel who, to Frodo, looks like "a figure of white light".
@AAlaknárZ and the Nazgûl in general already hate water
@Heldarion Yeah, which highlights how terrifying they find the idea of meeting Glorfindel face to face!
there were 2 different glorfindels if you read the tolkien books. this one didn't fight the balrog.
@AAlaknárZ that is due to glorfindel being one of the last high elves left in middle earth by the 3rd age so he exists in both realms. please note tolkien himself raised this point in the books but the films don't
Not including Aragorn's fellow rangers in the movies was the biggest miss for me. Their appearance and role in the books was very memorable and important. Shame to leave them out bc they also gave more context to Aragorn's character.
That's the least horrible thing Jackson did to TRotK.
Glorfindel video? Yes, please 😊
Hear hear!! We sertainly want to hear about him!
Elf who's power level is literally too high to take on the journey
We can never have too much Glorfindel
"Did we just watch him powerbomb a Balrog off the walls of Gondolin? Rezz that guy! Resurrect him right now! I want to see what else he does." -- the Valar watching Glorfindel
People who don't realise it two different people and a (retconned) mistake by Tolkien (we he not only admitted but wrote about) are going to be disappointed 😢.
Glorfindel over here with the certified gigachad jawline
I waited for 3 movies to see the Swan Knights of Dol Amroth enter Minas Tirith and I was so crushed that it was cut. I know they were just a tiny piece of the books but it stayed with me how noble they were.
I loved Gondor in the books, and sure the destruction of Gondor is highly notable. I think the movies did Gondor dirty though, sort of feels like Gondor is smaller than Rohan with just historical architecture and soldiers getting their asses whipped
@tombergendahl7652 same same,the Rohirrim felt more powerful than Numenoreans or decendants from them,whatever. I really hated that.
@tombergendahl7652the movie makers paid every ounce of tribute to everything they touched. Watch the appendices of the special edition and see for urself
Bill the pony! The 10th member of the Fellowship, smart and able enough to make it through the wild and back to Rivendell.
Even further, Bill made it back all the way to Bree.
I heard bill the pony made it all the way the undying lands
Then back.
@DanielMcQuadewhen Bill died Manwe brought him back so he could live with Glorfindel.
Bill would have been the better ring bearer. Change my mind ;-)
@KernunnoBill was the real hero of the lord of Rings, not Samwise.
Yeah, I think most people don't realize that Merry stabbing the Witch King is what breaks his protective spells and allows Eowyn to kill him. Too me, Peter Jackson ruined to whole scene at the river by inserting Arwen for Glorfindel. Frodo stands alone at the river and its a powerful scene in the book as he tries to command them to go back to Mordor before passing out.
I am sure a major problem was filming a hobbit riding a horse; probably impossible to do any longshots without it looking like a ragdoll strapped to a horse. And my guess is that they were still following the initial 2 film script where Arwen was a warrior; something that changed as Jackson realized that Tolkien knew how to tell a story well despite nothing apparently happening. Also, not that Jackson fully admitted this, vast amounts of the first 2 films were really expanded live-action versions of the Ralph Bakshi 1978 LotR cartoon some scene for scene copies as if the cartoon was his rough draft e.g. the hobbits first confronting the Black Riders on their way to Bree. Shot-by-shot a copy of Bakshi and nothing like the book where Merry I think had gone head to prepare Frodo's new house and so was not part of that encounter. Further, Bakshi swaps Glorfindel for Legolas (and Aragorn greets Legolas as a trusted friend) but given it was cartoon he was truthful to the book and Frodo rode alone to the river on Legolas's steed.
And there's absolutely no way Elrond would have allowed Arwen out, unescorted, with nine Nazgul in the area...
the animated version highlights this scene better but uses legolas and not glorfindel
Bakshi’s version was Peter Jackson’s introduction to LotR in the first place so it’s no surprise that he did scenes like him
I wish we were able to be introduced to Elrond’s sons Elladan and Elrohir. They would be of age and ready for combat. Glorfindel was by far the strongest and deadliest Elve.
Another fun fact about Prince Imrahil that I wish you mentioned is that he's Boromir and Faramir's uncle. Denethor was married to his elder sister, Finduilas.
Bergil was a good companion to Pippin and provided more exposition than his father had time for. He’s the one who gets the reader up to date on the situation in Minas Tirith, the incoming reinforcements but most especially the evacuation of the city and surrounding lands.
These latter groups, the inhabitants of the city and the farmlands of the Pelennor fields, were also huge omissions in the movie (ROTK), actually impacting the landscape of the fields, turning a patchwork of farms into a drab featureless plain.
Sam’s dad?!!? Dude told a Wrath to F off!
You mentioned Gildor in passing. "Gildor Inglorion of the House of Finrod," who Pippin, Sam, and Frodo meet near Woodhall, is the first glimpse readers get of elves in LOTR, and for me its a memorable passage, highlighting cultural and material differences between mortals and elvenkind.
In the film adaptation, we get Sam being wistful as a group of elves pass in the distance. Not quite the same impact, but I understand the need to tell a visual story with a simplified structure.
He also instructed Sam to stay with Frodo to the end.
Gildor provided Frodo, Sam, and Pippin with safety for the night, and it was because of his message that Elrond sent Glorfindel out to find Frodo: a small but integral part in the War of the RIng.
Also, like Glorfindel, Gildor is a hero of the first age. He was killed in the Nirnaeth when his company was the first to charge, and their wrath was so great they made it all the way through the gates of Thangorodrim. Gildor and his company were surrounded and killed on the very stairs of Morgoth’s great citadel.
@nobeardthepirate8569 - I think you have Gildor Inglorion mixed with another Elf character, also named Gildor, who was one of the 12 outlaw companions of Barahir. He was killed in year FA 460 during a raid by Morgoth's Orcs on their camp in the highlands of Dothonian. The only Elf ever resurrected after death and sent back to Middle Earth was Glorfindel.
@laura-ann.0726 I actually think he/she mixed Gildor with Gwindor
Beregond's son Bergil showed Pippin around the city.
That basket of mushrooms from Farmer Maggot was
a (very English) joke, a way of saying Frodo was forgiven for past thefts, and a blessing. A subtle person in the shape of "just a farmer."
Jackson's films were hideously bowdlerized. He made Gimli a punchline, and completely nerfed Faramir and Eomer.
And Merry. From the first book, Merry was the smartest and most independent hobbit of them all. He learned about the ring back in Bilbo's time, protected Frodo, prepared a pony with supplies at his own expense, and organized the entire journey where the naive romantic Frodo hoped to get by with a few crackers and a leisurely stroll. But Jackson stupidly turned him into a carrot-stealing clown. It was disgusting.
Technically seen also Denethor was removed from the movie. Yes, there was a Denethor in the movie, but it was someone else 🙂
It is amazing that the lore is so deep, there is a list of the literally heros, ledgends, main characters, that were not included. Not to mention dozens more is secondary characters.
Glorfindel was also the one who stated that the Witch King of Angmar would not fall by the hand of man.
Fatty Bolger actually does make an appearance in the trilogy but its in the extended edition.
Gildor Inglorion is my favorite elf. Don't know why exactly. I think because he was the first one to save Frodo and Sam from the Nazgul by the elves singing. And he referred Frodo as elf friend and because he was around during the time of the Noldors. I really like him. He and the elves took care of the hobbits. Gildor gave some good advise to Frodo as well as good food and places to sleep. They took such good care of them.
Missed that Pippin became friends with Beregond's son.
I wish we could have seen Gandalf fight the Ringwraiths on Amon Sul
One of the things that is completely left out of the movies is that Pippen and Merry were very prepared to leave. They had pack ponies ready to go at a moment's notice. They were capable and not caught off guard and supported Frodo completely.
Bombadil didn't so much resist the One Ring as the Ring had no power over him at all.
Very minor role in LoTR, but honorable mention to Gil-Galad. He fights and dies with Elendil defeating Sauron before Isildur cuts the Ring from Sauron's corpse.
Could you imagine how amazing Imrahil and the Swan Knights would look?!!!!!!!
Yeah, the stout yeoman farmer definitely deserved more than a waving scythe and random scardy hobbit mash up. 🤓😎✌🏼☮️
You know there is a book dedicated to Tom Bombadill ? The adventures of Tom Bomadil by JRR Tolkien himself!
On the flip side, The Hobbit is when you cut no one and add junk. I prefer LOTR trilogy.
11 heroes at the least - and a huge amount of genuine character development.
These adaptations could have been so much worse. I can only be grateful they weren't.
I can't like this video enough times...! I am a huge Glorfindel fan since reading about him as a child, but the reason I clicked "watch" to find our if Erkenbrand made the list (and he did!!!), because he is another secret favorite who tilts the tide of the war just by being a solid, valiant leader of the Westfold and being prepared and courageous. EDIT: Oh-my-gosh! Then you added Ghan-buri-ghan! Perfect list. Well done!
Glorfindel got shafted twice by Jackson AND Bakshi. 🤓😎✌🏼☮️
Glorfindel!
The grey company in general was something that was sorely missing from the films.
Barliman Butterbur is also very much responsible for The Hobbits getting their Barrow-blades. If not for him forgotting to send Gandalf's letter to Bag End, Frodo would have left the Shire early unimpeded by the Nazgul. This would mean that he would have left the Shire through a normal route and not through the Old Forest, meaning that none of the stuff with Tom Bombadil or the Barrow-wight would have ever happened and Merry would not have been able to mortally wound the Witch King. Yet another example of how every single thing that happened to the Fellowship along their journey served a greater purpose.
I was ticked that the Barrow Wights were removed. The origin of the blades were of critical importance.
@butchgreeneYeah. A lot of people cope by saying that daggers Aragorn gave to the Hobbits were Barrow-blades, but that doesn’t work because Merry loses that dagger at the end of Fellowship and is given a Rohirrim blade for the Battle of Pelennor Fields. The Witch King's defeat is one aspect of this adaptation that just doesn't work at all.
A Glorfindel video please.
It would have made more sense to have the Grey Company show up at Helm's Deep rather than the Elves, in the films, at least then they could have kept them in the story and gone on to the Paths of the Dead and would have been a less glaring and ridiculous deviation. Haldir's death scene could have been more appropriately transferred to Halbarad's death on the Pelennor Fields, too.
I totally agree!
"Ridiculous" is a rather strong choice of words for something that was a logistical shift on a time crunch. While they and the studio originally wanted Arwen to be at Helm's Deep, they (thankfully) decided to axe that, but still had filmed a whole bunch of footage with Elves alongside Men. Rather than cut it all, or completely reconstruct the film which could take months, they kept portions of it in. The arrival of the Elves was a POWERFUL, goosebump-inducing moment in the movies, even if it wasn't in the book, as was Haldir's death. It was only curmudgeonly neckbeards who think themselves purists who didn't enjoy those moments.
Why not both? Rather than Haldir it would've been Grey Company leading some Galadrim's aid. It would've been easy to rectify.
Yes. Having the Elves turn up to Helm's Deep was shocking.
@Llama_paints_minis Not only are you insulting people but also don't understand why Tolkien fans dislike it, one of if not the biggest point in the book is that the elves are leaving and the men step up and are worthy to lead Middle Earth, men are pretty much on their on for the most part and aside from other reasons why the inclusion of elves is dumb like for example, War of the Last Alliance does Jackson and Co know why War of the Last Alliance is called that, it is because it's the WAR OF THE LAST ALLIANCE OF ELVES AND MEN it's in the name, again outside of other reasons these are probably the most important and why it's an a assassination of not just The Lord of the Rings but the whole mythology and one of it's biggest themes. I suggest reading the Legendarium and about Tolkien's life and then you may understand it, instead of insulting people when you know very little about the subject, just a thought
Halbarad and Prince Imrahil are my favourite "second rank" characters in the books. Both are just so epic. I have to admit I cried a little, when I played LOTRO and the Rangers died at the Battle of the Pelennor. Their journey south would also make for a nice mini-series.
The son of Beregond is also pretty important
Gondor basically got cut in half for content and everybody associated with them is from denethors line.
This is what makes reading the book so wonderful.
Glorfindel is my favorite elf. If you haven't already a video would be great.
15:25 i remember that Aragorn revokes him from guard citadel not because he defied Denethor's orders, but because he spilled blood in the sacred chambers of Minas Tirith
A little detail you could also have mentioned for Halbarad is that he was with Aragorn when Aragorn looked into the palantir at the Helms Deep and its even implied Halbarad also looked into the Palantir himself, because he knew he was gonna die on the Pelennor Fields, but went anyways.
Honorable mention should go to Hirgon (Gondor messenger who delivers the Red Arrow). In the movies they went with the beacons.
Left out Tom Bombadil and the episode with the Barrow Wights. That was a crime against humanity.
This also shows that Peter Jackson completely misunderstands the book. The scene at Barrow Wights reveals why Frodo is the leader of the hobbits. While previously Frodo was little more than a burden dragged to Rivendale by his friends (the entire trip was organized and paid for by Merry), in Barrow Wights Frodo shows strength of character and becomes a leader.
The entire trilogy is a crime against Tolkien and his *real* fans.
Ok,it would've taken so much time if they put Bombadil in the movie but his resistance to the Ring would've been interesting in a brief scene and him giving the Hobits the blades made in Arnor that could hurt the Witch King should've been there. This way Eowyn killed the Witch KIng only because she's a woman lmao!
Can we also point out the reason glorfindel was cut was because he was like the number 1 ranked in middle earth for PvP and had infact killed a balrog back in the day, and when it says he could face the 9 it means he could go 1vs9 and win
Funny you mentioned PVP because as I watched the video I was thinking to myself Glorfindel 1v1 a Balrog and then 1 v 9 the Nazgul all by lunchtime. He was, as a boy, and still is, as an old man, my favorite character in all of Tolkien's works. There are S Tier characters and then there's Glorfindel"s Tier above that.
2 different glorfindels
You have forgotten Gildor Inglorion and the Elves who has given Frodo, Pipin and Sam a shelter in their first night of their Jorney.
Poor Glorfindel!
Peter Jackson swapped him with Arwen.
And in the 1978 LotR cartoon film, Ralph Bakshi swapped him with Legolas.
The thing is they didn't know how or they didn't have time how to introduce Arwen's character,I forgive them.But Glorifindel should've been in the second movie.
I sorely missed Halbarad & The Grey Company, Elrohir & Elladan . . . as companions of Aragorn they held the North for years against the rise of Sauron . . . True heroes of the tale with untold stories . . .
of all of the above, I was mostly awed by imrahil, when i was reading the books. The gondorians in the movie are so uniformed, there is not even a single referance to the reinforcements they got and it's impact on the city's strength and morale. And while gondor's army was mostly a bunch of light-infantry or light cavelry, dol Amroth's core force was HEAVY KNIGHTS. Imrahil and dol amroth was the "arthur and camelot" of gondor. It was sad to see them missing. But, it is understandable that if all the lore was included, instead of 3 movies we would end up having 10.
10 movies if Peter Jackson made them doesn’t sound too bad tbf
I would have watched all ten.
Yep.
Without Beregond though, all would have been for naught (Faramir would have died if it wasn't for Beregond).
Yeah that’s the real tear for me. The movies are excellent, some of the best films ever, but I understand why keeping it to 3 films with notable cuts was not just warranted but necessary. As a book purist it hurts, as a fan of film, I can’t blame PJ.
I think Glorfindel deserves more time explaining because he is such an epic character even though he gets largely ignored
Fair to say though if you dont venture outside the LOTR trilogy he may well a complete mystery.
I would include Eomer in this list. His character was drastically underused in the films. His presence at Helm's Deep is important because it shows Aragorn and Eomer bonding as friends while holding off orc hordes at the gates by themselves while Gimli watched. As for Imrahil, in the books there are three people who are uninjured after the Battle of Pelennor Fields and the are Aragorn, Eomer, and Imrahil. This shows how good at fighting these three really were. He did also have elvish lineage as well. Just one of the best background characters of the books.
Indeed, Eomer is a true king and leader of his people, remained loyal to king and his people even when he was banished, riding and hunting orcs without rest all over the place, returning to kings side at first word, without a word. True badass
You did forget to mention that Imrahil's daughter ends up marrying Eomer after the events of Return.
He's also Faramir's uncle
BILL THE PONY . . . cut loose at the gates of Moria n finds his way back to Rivendell !!!!!!
Everyone always says that movies have to cut out book scenes to fit time constraints, but then why do they add multiple lengthy scenes that WEREN'T in the book? And frequently don't improve the book at all?
I am missing Ioreth of the houses of healing, who saved Faramir, Eowyn and Merry in her own way, remembering all of Ahelas and the healing hands of the Kings. And Rosies Father, who stood up alone agains the ruffians of Saruman. And Willy Whitefoot, the Mayor and even Lobelia who got her hero moment in the end.
Tolkien was masterful in writing about the courage of the "ordinary" people.
Btw: little detail correction: Erkenbrand did not ride to help Helms deep - he *run*. Gandalf says that the rescue was due to "the sturdy legs of the westfold men" (among other things) who run for almost a whole day to come to aid.
Also: i love Beregond so much, that i named my Larp-Character after his son, Bergil.
Apparently Jackson hates anything to do with magic or special powers hence the virtual elimination of them in the films which was a huge pity because the Old Forest, Bombadil, The true King is a healer; Fangorn waters healing the hobbits etc; all made ME a special and different place that is more alive and self-aware than our planet is now.
@davidbellamy2612 One of the many reasons why the live action films are an a assassination, completely ignoring and misunderstanding the themes, as an example just watch the scene with Gandalf and Pippin about death and if you know about the mythology and perhaps it's greatest theme, one which Tolkien himself struggled and worked on for most of his life, and to see it destroyed, assassinated...in just a little bit more than a minute that's probably the worst scene in the live action films, which is saying a lot
@Dragan-v1w good point - but can you use some full stops to make that into sentences? It's a hard read like that.
@richwalker1965Sorry, sometimes i don't pay attention to that when i write in English.
@Dragan-v1w No worries - I didn't mean to come across as snippy. It just fried my brain a bit.
glorfindal lived in Gondolin and he died there defending the city. he died fighting a Balrog
Prince Imraheril is the most frustrating cut because he would have a great character to be in the movies, but the cast was already very crowded. To do the books real justice the whole thing needed either two more feature length movies or an 18-21/22 episode series.
Exactly. And if it were a series with seasons, it would have the opposite problem of soap opera-like cliffhangers and artificial drama to fill space. See: Game of Thrones and literally every fantasy adaptation.
LOTR is a book of tales (and tales within tales), and each tale would need its own movie. I don't think that 22 episodes would be enough to do this book justice. For what three long movies could make out of it, I think PJ did a good job. And the movies were visually stunning, with a good pace. I never liked the casting of Frodo, but overall, I was satisfied (especially Gandalf). Not so much with the Hobbit trilogy.
@c.augustinEspecially when you throw in the backstories from the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, and Tolkien's notes and letters.
Why they went with Rings of Power is a real head scratcher for me. The Lord of the Rings, as you say can be its own series. As many as seven seasons of 25 episodes if you throw in The Silmarillion. THEN you can add new stuff like RoP. Maybe a series taking place in The East and South of Middle Earth. That could be a couple of series exploring the effects of Morgoth's and Sauron's corrupting influence, why Men would side with them, and how some would have fought that influence.
Imrahil was suspected of having elven blood in his line
The Grey Company and essentially the rewrite of film 3 in whatever future adaptation (fingers crossed for a animation 1:1 adaptation) will be a special treat for the people that only got to enjoy the films!
I would love to see Halbarad, the Sons of Elrond, and the Gray company in The Hunt for Gollum. I fear that the new film will be bad, and I hope it is not just a money grab. If done well it could be good.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention the other captains that arrived before Prince Imrahil
I loved the trilogy and I don’t think it will be bettered. However my main complaint is that he portrayed Gimli as a bit of a buffoon instead of the serious person he was.
I definitely need to read the books again.. so many forgotten details
6:00 Fun fact: Tolkien modeled Fatty Bolger off of Whitey Bolger, a wise and heroic OG who strove to protect his 'hood from the prying eyes of outsiders
You're kidding right....😂
The movie could only afford to pay so many high paying hero roles.
i so missed Prince Imrahil and the Swan Knights and watching Elladan and Elrohir fighting "with stars upon their brows" Sigh! But the generally in good filmmaking you don't introduce major characters in the third film. Completely understandable but a regret nonetheless. Also I really wanted to hear Denethor say "I sent my son, unthanked, unblessed and into needless peril." but alas no...
Denethor has some of my favorite dialogue in the books. Amazing character.
Thats one of the few good changes I thought the Hobbit movies did, I like that they introduced and established Bard before his moment of killing Smaug, always found it weird in the book how we don't meet him until its his time to kill the dragon.
Also Ioreth, wise woman of Gondor.
I think the main character missing from the films is Frodo. Peter Jackson's vision is not Frodo. Many others also.
Nobody is cooler than Aragorn.
In the book, Erkenbrand and his 1000 men walked to Helm’s Deep. They did not ride. Gandalf referred to “the stout legs of the Wewstfold men, marching through the night.”
I understand why they did Eomer,there was not enough time to introduce Erkenbrand."The Two Towers" is perfect. However LOTR3 feels empty.
I watch the films only in vignettes because of all these things I loved in the books. 54 years ago.
Merry, Pippin, and Sam all get Barrow-blades. It was the arming of the hero moment.
And Frodo, his was just destroyed and he got Sting as a replacement.
I kinda miss Gwaihir on this list. The king of the eagles is in the movie per se, but is somewhat reduced to a flying taxi for Gandalf while his role in the books is far more important.
Glorfindel sacrificed his life to save a 7 year old Earendil. Without him half the characters in the trilogy don't even exist. For that reason alone he should have been given an awesome scene with the Nazgul in the movies as a head nod to the first age literature.
Without Earendil the valar may not launch the war of wrath and Morgoth may not be overthrown and Thangorodrim broken. In which case non of the characters from LOTR would be in middle earth (maybe some of the elves would have fled to Valinor).
Amradin was also removed. Beloved Amradin. Shame
I thoroughly enjoyed this video, thank you!.
everyone except Boromir resists the power of the ring....
What about Mablung?
The chief huntsman of the King of Doriath, Thingol. First age Elf.
Because Lord of the Rings should have been a series instead of movies.
*CORRECTION:* Accidentally said Glorfindel came back in Third Age when he seems to have come back in Second Age… to be honest there seems to be some confusion and debate about this in the fandom? This is why I need to make a Glorfindel video and research it all. I haven’t done a complete read through of those works yet. So it’ll be fun to do a first read and then make a video all about Glorfindel!
Yes, please, if anyone deserves that, it's Glorfindel.
Because each time PJ's fanboys start rambling how faithful and accurate and by the book LotR was, and that changes were made only for the sake of runtime (which could be true in the case of Bombadil), I want to scream Glorfindel's name in their ears. One of the most renowned elves of Middle-Earth, whom PJ deliberately deleted from the story and gave his epic moments and accomplishments to a girlboss - who in turn was anything but a girlboss in Tolkien's own vision.
Tolkien wasn't sure either. The relevant texts are in Christopher Tolkien's "The Peoples of Middle Earth", pages 377-382 in the hardcover edition.
After his re-embodiment, Manwë had given Glorfindel powers nearly equal to the Maiar, to help him in his mission in Middle-earth. He was considered one of the most powerful Elves from Rivendell, given by his powerful and almost "angelic" presence, which had made the Black Riders flee many times.He also had medicinal knowledge, as seen when he tends to Frodo's wounds
how do elves return? like Gandalf? or an average elf family has a bouncy baby elf that as soon as it can learn to speak turns to his parents and tells them "I'm Glorfindel"? 💀
@alexiachimciuc3199 Glorfindel was re-embodied in Valinor. Tolkien suggests he returned to Middle Earth either in the Second Age on a Numenorean Ship or came in the Third Age with Gandalf.
Hollywood is like Melkor/Morgoth - changing and corrupting the Books (Valar) to his own design. Rings of Power is like the lesser Sauron.
Vote here for Glorfindel, mic drop
Yeah, but Farmer Maggot didn't know WHAT he was facing. He likely wouldn't have if somehow he did. And in general, it was still possible to push the Nazgul off because they didn't want to fully expose their presence yet.
Gildor Inglorion helps protect the hobbits. Prince Imrahil Prince of Gondor & of Course Glorfindel.
Video of glorfindel would be awesome