I wish the dream world made less sense. Don't get me wrong, there are other things I'd love to change about Freddy, but if I talked about them all I'd be here all day so I'm just gonna talk about the dream world. The dream world is just a grey filter that has either snares or pallets in it (90% of the time it's snares bc pallets are bad), there's nothing about it that screams "dream." In my mind, dreams make zero sense, so I would really, really love if things in the dream world just...made zero sense. Let me provide examples that I think would make the dream world infinitely more engaging: 1. Generators make incorrect sounds. Gens that are almost done are silent, gens that have zero progress sound like they're at 70% completion. The gen shakes and cackles when you miss a skill check. 2. Every time you break a totem, when you fall asleep, it looks as if it's still intact. You may break it again, but to the awake survivors, you're just fanning your hands over the remains of a broken totem. You walk towards a lit totem in the dream, and as soon as you touch it, you hear someone blow the candle out and giggle. 3. You open a chest and find a key. You pick it up, and now it's a flashlight. 4. The lights of the exit gates are always on in the dream, it doesn't matter if the door is truly almost open or not. 5. To really drive it home, these effects only happen sometimes. Idk I think it'd be fun and silly :)
That's a fantastic idea, I'd like to add obscured text to your list as something that always happens while dreaming. I've heard somewhere that you can't read while dreaming so any activity you're doing will be impossible to read while maybe the progress bar goes weird every now and then.
Absolutely, survivors need a reason to awake themselves, you don't get the feeling of urge when you are sleep except if Freddy brings some addons. You need to play with the concept of what the dream world is to Freddy, a sandbox, a toy box, a space that it's been use to play with his victims. You can add something like a punishment for survivors who are not waking up, like a slow after an amount of time being on the dream world or screaming for not reason, bleeding, less FOV. Something to make the dream world more of a thread. When you face Freddy the only thing to be worry about are his snares or pallets, but when that happens you just go to another loop. You can just being sleep the whole game and that's it. Of course, if you are going to give more power to Freddy on the dream world you need to take less when his not on it. He'll need to use his old power to put you to sleep but more quickly than before, so he doesn't waste that much time. And more thematic and gimmicky addons, like a teleport that makes all the gens bleed when he use it, being a stealth killer on the dream world with no terror radius or only hearing him laughing when his close, survivors on the dream world sees freddy instead of awake survivors for brief moments. They have infinite posibilities with this character but they are not using it from fear to the community. Would rather face a killer that makes an unique experience than a OP kit. lol
I mained old Freddy and this was completely accurate. His old power was best described as “You’re in my world now not your world, I’ve got friends on the other side.”
@@madhunter6420 wow I can’t say I’ve ever heard anyone say that. Old Freddy was... something to be sure. I did like old better than new Freddy just because new is just pretty boring, but oh boy, you had to mentally prepare yourself before every game. That being said, he was awful and needed some power, it’s just such a shame he got slapped into mediocrity
Yeah I see many comments saying they should’ve made clocks the way you woke up rather than skillchecks and to actually make him stronger in chase while they were in sleep, it would’ve been the kind of 0-100 danger level killer that would make Freddy unique. Instead it’s more of 40-75
Freddy was changed to a child killer in the original because producers wanted to avoid comparisons to a story in California about a series of child molestations at the time of filming. The remake reintroduced this concept
It always surprises me that not many people know this fact. I remember people being upset/mad that they made Freddy this irredeemable child pr*dator in the remakes... Because they'd been romanticizing the OG Freddy and now they felt gross. And then they get mad at me when I say he was a p*do from the beginning, but it was cut. If anything, 2010 was more accurate to the first ever script than the OG movie.
@@gayfrog6015 First of all, you can't just ignore the original concept for something original and say 'Hey it doesn't matter 'cause it didn't come true' if it's only because for being afraid of scandal and lawsuits. Evil to begin with? This is one of those characters that pretty much have no reason behind them. And it's not like it was the evil within him. In cinema and virtual world if something's truly evil it's see-able in some ways, some sign. There were non for freddy. Most people were trying to explain this by him being a psychopath, which was actually confirmed in movies at some point or another. And yeah let's talk about his movies, because thro out all of them fallowing the original script, each had tried doing it in it own way. We had some catholic bullshit, genetics, hell, psychopath, pretty much everything that was ever tried in horrors. Honestly I always loved Freddy in movies, and he was my on top 1 killer right with Ghostface, but for how he was preying, killing, features and definitely not for story behind him. I still have some place in my heart for Freddy, and have fantastic ideas they could rework him in fantastic way. And think he should get a new series, as actual series and not max 3 hours movie.
@@gayfrog6015 You: says something wrong Another person: quite soundly corrects you without leaving a smidgen of wiggle room for your argument to survive You, sweating: w-well actually you're the loser for caring so much, d-dweeb! Ouch. A uniquely pathetic way to respond when you could've just said "Oh, thanks for clearing that up for me" and went on your merry way.
It's such a shame that this is the only character in the game that has no limitations for his ability ( aside from legal contraints) and this is what he gets. He's a dream demon. With endless creativity they just decide "yeah put some shit on the ground and it slows survivors".
Agreed. There was so much potential to really mess with survivors, look at the Doctor for example. Freddy doesn’t need to do the same things he does, but they could have been creative about how he messes with you when you’re asleep. The potential for that general concept was present and they dropped the ball in the creative sense.
I write notes on killer ideas of my own for dbd and that power can do great work. I had the idea for a killer blob that could press itself flat for mindgames at loops plus going underneath pallets and leave oozy puddles that slow survivors. Then they could let Freddy spawn all sorts of new things. I need fake chests that'll inflict deep wounds upon me when I open them, the ability to go through vaultable windows out the closest vault point to Freddy wherever he is on the map towards him, and fake generators that hold me in place, pistoning my arms to make me scream for Freddy.
Big disagree on Legion. Blight feels feral- blindly attacking and bashing his head into things as if tunnel visioned on prey- Legion is just someone running a bit faster and becoming more athletic.
I dream of Freddy getting a rework of his power so I FEEL like I'm playing as Freddy, some cosmetics, MAYBE a Tome, and more expression. I was waiting in a lobby and I was just looking at Freddy's textures, and realized he doesn't even blink. A little touch-up would be so nice. He's no Robert Englund, and I know I'm playing as a pedophile, but god dammit he's still Freddy Kruger, so I will play till' the end of time. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Wasn’t there some legal drama happening with Freddy recently? I don’t think a tome or anything is on the table for him in the near future, but it would be nice to have a Freddy that’s not either completely underpowered or overpowered
I do hope that people don’t blame Jackie Earle Haley for the remake being bad. He did his best with what he was given and I even liked parts of his performance. But I do hope we manage to get Robert Englund Freddy as a skin.
He was probably the best casting choice, he was just wasn't given anything to work with. Original Freddy reveled in his evil. Remake Freddy fells like someone desperate for validation.
@@davidpescitelli8004 and if the others actors weren’t so one note. I tried watching the remake the other day and the acting of the teenagers ruins it. They’re all doing a Kristen Stewart expression and refusing to actually emote.
@@thatfishguy4991 Not going lie. When they announced Nancy's boyfriend as a survivor in DBD I honestly forgot who he was. I had to look it up to remember.
If they brought back the old system with Freddy being only visible in the Dreamworld they could add a cool effect with his teleport. Imagine being awake working on a gen with a teammate who is asleep, then they start running and are being chased and attacked by an invisible force. But in their perspective the gen began gushing blood and Freddy appeared making them flee.
I just keep seeing the parody scene where Jane is asking Freddy in a interview “why are you such a garbage killer?” I kinda want that to happen again but Freddy screams “WHAT NOW BITCH?!”
What I have heard and seen from the old freddy is most people didn't understand how to use his power. You weren't supposed to put someone to sleep and chase them, you had to juggles your prey and slowly the match would become harder and harder for them. The main reason people didn't like him is because they didn't understand how to use him. Definitely not the most powerful but those who played him well made him a force to be reckoned with. And I want that Freddy back.
Can confirm as an old Freddy main, juggling between survivors was the name of the game. Sleep as many as you can and supervise them, if you notice the aura going into specific animations like healing then you knew awake survivors were around there to put to sleep, let them suffer endless slowdown, let them hate having to fail a skillcheck just to be put back to sleep seconds later, a fun time even if SWF were hell on earth. Sadly nowadays idk if that Freddy would even function with how Hit and Run style killers are always booted out of the room the second they step inside, he was already one of the worst, in current metas, I feel like old Freddy would be impossible
As an Old Freddy main and a fan of the series, I honestly feel a lot of this. Honestly I just want BHVR to give me Old Freddy with New Freddy's Generator Teleport.
I miss it so much. I never thought that he was strong but I just had so much fun playing as him. It just felt so nice to know exactly where everyone was, and honestly it could be used for pretty good slowdown if you paid attention to which gens were at risk.
I'd actually argue the dream pallets specifically fit Freddy perfectly. You yourself said about the teleport "it turns a safe place into nightmare and fear", which is exactly what the dream pallets do. They turn a pallet, which is the safest place in the entire game, into your death trap. Once you know he is running his pallets instead of his snares, you constantly keep paranoid to remember which pallets were used already and which were not. Which is why making them an add-on instead of base kit works even better. You don't realize he has them, untill you already fell for it. Every time you face a freddy, it's like "does he have snares or pallets?" to me, Freddy is defined mostly by toying with his prey. He is a predator with a twisted humour. I think that new freddy mostly nails this. The toying part is represented in the pallets, teleport and snares. They can turn safe situation into death traps and mind games, really strengthening that feel of the survivors just being his personal toy. When I play Freddy, I truly feel like I am just messing with the survivors untill I feel like finally going for that final blow. And the fact that he is invisable from far away to awake survivors, blinks in and out of vission for awake survivors at medium range and the fact that asleep survivors suffer from permanent oblivious effect and hear his lullaby constantly. It really adds to the feel of a constant threat, no matter what you do (similar to Plague with cleansing vs staying sick). His blinking in and out of vision and the timer also perfectly resemble the micro-sleep and inevitable fate of sleeping. To me, freddy in game is all about mind-games. Is my teleport real or a bait? Is this pallet real or fake? I could run to this safe loop, but I'd probably die if he snared it. Did I just see freddy in the distsncd, coming this direction? I hear his lullaby, but where is he? I constantly feel uneasy when going against him, cuz I never know if my next move will safe me or kill me. And I constantly feel like I controll the survivors while playing as freddy. It feels like I am just playing with them and letting them screw themselfs over, to then finally relieve them from their nightmare. To me, freddy feels nearly perfect.
Hit the nail on the coffin. Freddy is pretty solid. I just wished we had the original license 😭 imagine a Freddy/dbd inspired theme playing for his terror radius and his chase music from the old ones.
Bro very well said, I think the abilities fit freddy too, but I do also really like actually pulling people into the dream world and being invisible to awake survivors. I never got the chance to play original freddy but I main current freddy and it's a very fun experience
If they make him like old Fredy but with the teleport and less time to the survivors to fall asleep he would be like the source material and more strong. (PD it would be Also cool that they give him his own terror radious.)
@@FookMi69 I'd sacrifice aura reading for an iridescent ad on if it meant we had two second dream pull, and maybe his lullaby that plays activates when he's near by, a timer for when you'll automatically go to sleep.
I was an old Freddy main, and I didn’t realise how much I loved playing him until it was already too late... I wish we could have old Freddy back, but keep the gen teleport. And a few other quality of life changes such as being able to grab survivors off gens when they are in the dream transition
I think the worst part of that chapter was not getting a Freddy that could actually speak when attacking you or getting Robert Englund. It also would've been nice to have Nancy or Glen from the 1985 film
As for Badham, I think the preschool should be bigger and more open as chases go down the same way, perhaps one of the houses could be cannibalized to make way for a larger parking lot and upper building, the boiler room should be a little wider as well and should have another entrance from outside or from a nearby houses basement.
I’m really hoping we will one day get a legendary collection for a nightmare on elm street with Nancy for a skin for Quentin and the original Robert England Freddy as a skin for 1984
I always thought that instead of him automatically putting you into the dream world by hitting you the clock would tremendously speed itself up when you're in Freddy's lullaby terror radius and being able to bring people into the dream world like old freddy except with a reduced timer like maybe 1 or 2 seconds instead of the super long 7 seconds.
I honestly feel like if they went back to the dream world concept w the pulling survivors to sleep, but kept the alarm clocks and teleporting would be best of both worlds honestly
Why was this video blocked in my country? I had to trick RUclips in letting me see this video. Something to do with "This video contains content from LDS".
I agree with you, on most parts, especially with the one that his old power was more true to his character and more special. However, there is NO WAY you'll ever make me believe that in any way, shape or form remake Freddy suits dbd better than OG Freddy.
Somthing tells me behaviour is scared to do a second rework because it would make them look bad or something. I always thought adding the sleeping timer and maybe the pallets to old Freddy would make him a still flawed if more powerful yet fatefully killer to the Freddy seen in both movies.
Oh man you're making my old Freddy main flare up so I gotta vent: Ok, good things about the rework first. The environmental manipulation is pretty par for the course for Freddy so that's accurate.........aaaaaand that's it. Old Freddy was UNIQUE. There was no other killer who saw auras in basekit like Freddy could; Doctor DOESN'T COUNT because his clones are intermittent and do not show up to him until Madness Tier 3 unless you use an addon. Freddy had weird stealth, slowdown, Dream transition mindgames, and was all in all the most strategic killer of them all. I made an entire guide on him called "Freddy For Masochists" which is still on Steam because I just can't take it down after pouring so many hours of work into it. He was VERY underrated, very much like Twins. Was he perfect? No. But he wasn't god-awful either and he was a unique boy. His old addons were so varied and wacky: there were some that made his Dream Transition function differently for fun mindgames, there was a jumpscare addon in Red Paintbrush, there were Dream Transition movement speed addons which while not great did have fun synergy with speed perks, there were ACTUAL slowdown addons (none of this 4% bullshit, TWENTY FIVE PERCENT!!!) that could create an oppressive endgame, and there was the glorious heavenly beautiful most strategic and powerful feeling addon of all Class Photo. WHAT'S NEW FREDDY GOT!? Duuuuuuh tiny slowdown buff. Duuuuuh, faster recharge. Duuuuuuh, power debuff addon with bloodpoint bonus. Duuuuuh, everyone's in Dream World. Duuuuh, tiny buff to visibility which is too weak to actually affect your gameplay. And not one, not two, but FOUR Blindness and Hemorrhage addons (WHY ARE THEY STILL MAKING THOSE!?). He's BLAND, HOMOGENOUS, and worst of all way too powerful with way too little effort. Old Freddy DESERVED his victories, he took WORK to use and when you put the effort in to learn his strategic power you were rewarded handsomely. New Freddy spams snares and teleports. If I was in charge of reworking Freddy, I'd take him right back to old Freddy. MAYBE I'd tweak the values on the Dream Transition time and MAYBE I'd keep the teleport or add in some other environmental things to give Freddy some extra oomph to his power to keep up with modern gen speeds/chasing. But he was pretty fine the way he was and I have won PERKLESS AND ADDONLESS games with him at red ranks. The poor guy was never given a chance to shine and if Twins end up in the same boat as him or get nerfed to oblivion I am quitting immediately and never looking back. Rant over, sorry. This video was great and I enjoyed your thoughts. I can agree now that Haley's Freddy was indeed a better fit for DBD despite missing Englund's charm.
@@cereyza The main problem I have with nerfed Forever Freddy addons is that they're USELESS. Whether 25% slowdown is healthy or not you can at least agree it's useful and serves a HELPFUL PURPOSE. Useless addons just clog up Bloodwebs and take up space that could be filled with addons that spice up your power with ACTUAL gimmicks. If they've gotta go, at least change them in a way like with Demo's adons versus....what they did with Freddy's block addons.
@@demogorgon1856 I am, I spent MONTHS maining him and then he just got cracked cuz people couldn't see his potential and the devs decided to cheaply overhaul him instead of fixing what's bad about him. They also gutted my OTHER main the Twins. I'm just....VERY frustrated at these guys.
Here is a idea, what if Freddy could interact with a alarm clock to become completely invisible and put him into a "nightmare" state (which would pretty much be his launch power, where he cannot attack survivors) , interacting with the clock would immediately wake all survivors up but make them oblivious temporarily. While in this "Nightmare" state, Freddy cannot attack survivors unless he tags them with his "dream beam" before hand, but as a evolution of that power the longer he holds down his dream beam on a survivor the more disillusioned they become, shifting in and out of the dream realm, being able to hear Freddy, mixed terror radius noises or even hearing nothing at all. Once the survivors fall asleep Freddy can attack them. Survivors would only be able to wake up from other awake survivors while Freddy is in the "nightmare state". Freddy could swap between his "Nightmare" state and "Mortal" state at will through the clocks. In his mortal state he can place traps, but they are disabled in the nightmare state. I also think Freddy should have unlimited traps/fake pallets in the "Mortal state" at the cost of them disappearing after awhile (either 30 seconds or scaling with the amount you have active). Freddy would only be able to teleport in his "Nightmare" state. I don't think Freddy should have any generator slowdown effects affiliated with him. TL;DR Freddy should be able to switch between his two versions of his kit, one for stealth and teleport ambushes and one for traps and effective chasing.
Okay, so here's MY idea for an another rework: we return to the old ways with Freddy having to pull survivors to the dream realm to hurt them, BUT he has to do it by hand. Let me explain - Freddy roams around in the dream realm, completely invisible in the real world, survivors in the real world only see his red zone and hear the terror radius, those are the hints where he is and that you need to hide. His actual model is invisible. When Freddy hits a survivor three times, they don't actually enter the injured or downed state. After three hits instead, their body collapses and they enter the dream realm. There, The survivors are back to their "healthy" state, and THEN Freddy must down them normally, like any killer would, except he isn't slowed down as much by pallets or hitting survivors. That is because getting out of the dream realm is relatively easy - the exit gates are always open. When a dreaming survivor exits through the gate, they return to their sleeping body in the place they were downed and can resume playing normally. And escaping the dream world must be that easy because getting killed in the dream world is an *insta kill* No second chances, you get hooked there, you're done. Just like in the movies - The main goal is to NOT fall asleep at any cost and if you do, get the hell out of there because you're outmatched. Edit: Also as PuzzlePeace pointed out, it should be weird and abstract, But... I have different interpretations of how that should be done... For starters, Some pieces of terrain are invisible untill you walk very, very close to them, like two meters from them. Some pieces of terrain are instead false and you can walk through them, they just kinda fade out when you approach (Like the entity deleting the terrain around the hook when you sacrifice someone). If the map has a basement, It doesn't have any lockers and takes a form of a burning brick room. And instead of Hooks, there's a furnace... All a symbol of Freddy and how he died. The basement should also be the only place you can sacrifice the survivor (Also you can't escape Freddy's grasp in the dream world), since having to walk all the way to the basement everytime will slow him down enough for it to balance out the other strengths
I personally love new Freddy The map being a lighter color reflects how Freddy is treating like this as a game rather than a serious trial like in the movies. His powers reflecting how he has utter control over the situation, how he plays with his food before closing in for the kill.
I would seriously much rather play against bubba or a stridor spirit than Freddy. Not because he’s a better killer than them, but just because he has SO LITTLE personality to him, and he’s so boring to verse. This is coming from a killer main btw.
As a freddy main, I really do miss old freddy. My dream rework (pun intended) is to combine both versions into one. Keep the teleport, keep the snares and pallets, but give him all of his stealth, aura reading, slow down, and most importantly, let him put people to sleep again on a 3-4 second timer instead of 7 seconds, and to avoid survivors popping gens in his face while falling asleep, survivors who are falling asleep can't work on gens/totems/exit gates until fully asleep. Old freddy had and imo still has so much potential to be a strong AND unique killer, BHVR just has to actually tweak him instead of just nerfing him into the ground any time he's strong.
I’ve heard a lot of people say that Freddy’s old power was just unfinished and I agree, though I’ve never played him watching the videos that had him in them seemed like a lot of fun, just lacking some threat. I think it would’ve been great if they had just made him stronger in chase (given him dream snares or something) and made waking up harder (like how it works now) he would’ve been the perfect 0-100 danger killer.
To be honest, all I want for Freddy is to have his power reworked one more time into a hybrid of his version now and the old version. Here's kind of an interesting idea I've had for Freddy if they did some kind of rework for a second time: Each survivor starts the trial fully awake unless affected by addons. ---------- Awake Survivors - Cannot see or nor be seen or harmed by the killer, and suffer from the Oblivious status effect. This stage lasts for 15 seconds before transitioning to microsleep Microsleeping Survivors - Can faintly see and be seen by the killer (similarly to the dream transition effect, but it progresses/regresses linearly depending on the distance) within 24 meters and can be attacked to immediately fall asleep. This stage lasts for 45 seconds before completely falling asleep. Asleep Survivors - Can fully see and be seen by the killer at any distance and are aware to the killer's terror radius (32m). Action volumes and failed skill check penalties are doubled, and performing altruistic actions will reveal your aura while outside of a 32 meter range. This stage lasts indefinitely until a survivor is jolted into microsleep by a failed skill check, or fully awoken by another awake or microsleeping survivor. ---------- Freddy Krueger's Dream Demon ability will allow him to collapse into a pool of blood and become completely invisible and undetectable. While traversing invisibly, his movement speed is moderately increased. Releasing the ability will cause him to lose control of movement and slowly appear over 3.5 seconds, after which he will regain his terror radius and return to normal movement speed. After use, the ability will go on cooldown for 30 seconds. I'm definitely no balance expert, so I'd love to hear how this sounds because something like this sounds like it could be more fun and interactive.
What is up with all these dudes trying to bring back Forever Freddy? Like, did you really enjoy it that much as a Survivor Player? Just think about it, the Penalties were removed this update because people still found it frustrating to play against. This is obviously true because it just makes you sit on a gen longer. Nobody wants that cuz its the most boring shit ever and then people like you suggesting the original 50% penalties like thats actually cringe bro It was god-awful as old Freddy when you were not able to hit people right in front of you, finishing gens in your face and healing dying people on the ground so u cant pick them, possibly even insta heal them with old insta-heal. Im sorry but to all of you out there just stop bitching about New Freddy he is fine the way he is and I hope the old shit Freddy will never come back
@@ticktackbooom8831 I wasn't saying I didn't like the new Freddy, I just thought it would be cool if he had a more unique version of his power back. I was a bit tired when I wrote this so I didn't really think it 100% through and I left some bits out. I'm not a fan at all of action speed debuffs and I despised playing as and against Forever Freddy so I don't even know why I thought of the 25% initially, but I'll edit the version to what I think now that I'm more awake. I'm happy with the Freddy we have now, I'm just kind of coming up with ideas on what a reworked version _could_ be like.
I used to be a Freddy main before the rework, but now he’s not unique anymore so I just kinda float between a bunch of killers. He really used to stand out.
Englund's Freddy is campy but that'd make for some fun mori's and voice lines, and he has so much spirit that he'd enjoy the chase a lot. It's why people like Ash being in the game. 2010 Freddy isn't all that scary in the game, is the problem. He's just really boring. The graphics for his dream world are dull and annoying too, it's more evocative of the Fog World from Silent Hill than the scary orange hellfire of the boiler room he's affiliated with. He's a decent enough killer but he's not fun to play against. And his map sucks.
Absolutely we did. OG Freddy was campy and not scary back then, but if they redid him now, keeping Robert Englund as the one who plays him, I’d wager he’d be a force to be reckoned with.
I miss my dream boi’s pre-rework iteration. He was my main and I think he could have been buffed in much nicer ways, maybe making the survivors injurable whilst falling asleep but not downable, even making his base sleep time lower. I just wish old Freddy was still an option, a toggle in the menu to select him, whatever, just let me have him back
I'm not a fan of the 2010 Reboot Freddy's film, but I still think it was the best version to bring into DBD. Classic Freddy is great, but he wouldn't fit the theme of DBD.
Freddy deserves another rework. They should bring back old freddy but tweek some things. Like make the transition shorter, make his "terror raidus" in the dream world bigger(probably 32 meters), and make the effects different(like make them hindered, slower gen speeds, and slower healing). But the way you wake up isnt as simple as it is now. When you become asleep, the time on your profile will start and after 60 seconds the clock furthest from you becomes active. Or if freddy hits you, then he'll knock you out of the dream world where he has to pull you back in again. And keep all his other elements like the teleport and previously stated clocks. But remove dream snares and pallets since they suck and dont fit with freddy thematically.
Wes Craven originally did want to make Freddy a child molester and killer at the same time. I think in the end it was healthier for the franchise that it was changed, because people usually watch slashers for the colorful killers, not the lousy teenagers getting slashed. If Freddy had been a child abuser from day one I’m pretty sure most people would have been too disgusted to want to watch a sequel.
I truly think that old Freddy could have been viable if old class photo was base kit, and if you could use dream projection, but only if the effects of dream projection (seeing blood spitting out, Freddy clawing up) were visible while asleep. It would give map pressure, provide a sense of 'aw crap, he's suddenly here,' and with old class photo, the underlying sense of suddenly calling asleep is inevitable.
Okay I love how in-depth he goes into these characters. I think I’ve watched both this vid, and the Michael Myers Retrospective video two times each over the course of the last 24 hours. Much respect!
my simple rework of Freddy. You are completely invisible and undetectable to anyone who's awake but you can't interact with them in anyway. This results in massive tension as they work on gens and do other things because they never know where you are or who you're stalking. This rework requires removing a majority of the alarm clocks. and spacing out the remainder of them. I would be fine with there being 5 alarm clocks. 4 that spawn in semi random locations close to the corners of the map and one that spawns semi randomly somewhat close to the center. you probably need to shorten the time it takes for a survivor to fall asleep. maybe 30-40 seconds and Freddy has add ons to shorten this. This way, your main gameplay as Freddy is silently stalking a survivor until you know they're close to falling asleep and then pouncing when they do. keep the snares and pallets as well bc a true to life Freddy needs to manipulate the environment in some way. he loves his mind games. also, as an alternative to teleworking to generators I propose a possibility of teleporting to any survivor who's been asleep for more than say 5 seconds. Mechanically it should operate almost just like Hags teleport. you could even include a phantasm to warn them you're coming. I think a cool add on would be one that doesn't trigger that. just like Hags. thus would incentivise survivors to keep track of their sleep cycle and give him a good mixture of map pressure and slowdown but only against misplays by the survivors. Which would not only be more lore accurate imo but also balanced because you would get punished for misplacing your timer but you could also be rewarded for keeping a good mental timer and good map awareness. just an idea 🤷🏼♂️ it's possible that teams could be so good at this timer mechanic that Freddy couldn't get a single hit against a team so maybe it requires some rethinking. Edit: As for his ultra rare and very rare add ons, they could be things that allow him to instantly put someone to sleep in a certain range through a very specific action. IE. Kicking a Gen if someone is within 24 meters. or vaulting within range, so on so forth.
Freddy is a perfect example of how not to do a licensed killer. He started being competitively weak, but faithful to the source material The rework flipped that, making him Competitively strong, but nothing like the source material. Now, after the bombardment of nerfs, he is neither competitively viable or faithful to the source material. Well done, BHVR
here's my concept for a freddy rework- freddy keeps his teleport, it just isn't visible to those not above 50% tiredness. he can place down new dream pallets, which behave like a normal pallet, but cannot be vaulted by survivors. freddy quickly puts people to sleep by being within 10 meters of them. tiredness does not regress. at 50% tiredness, you can see freddy sporatically. at 75% tiredness, you occasionally cannot tell the progress of generators, as it will "flicker", going from your current progress to 0% to 100% to some random progress before returning to your current progress. when asleep, you cannot wake up on your own, as another survivor has to wake you up by finding an adrenaline syringe around the map, a special item that spawns randomly every so often, and using it on you. while asleep, generators are constantly "flickering", skillchecks for generators have false activation areas which only reveal themselves just before they show, and freddy can see your aura when outside of his terror radius.
Tbh, I don’t mind Freddy’s power, I see these comments say shit like “He’S a DreAm DeMOn, HE ShoUld bE abLe tO Do AnYthIng…” yadayadayada… if you read his lore it states that the entity toned down his power over in the dream world, most likely to have more control over him. This means that he is no longer thinking ”how can I toy, torment, and kill my victims in the most creative ways possible?” And more like “what’s the most efficient way to catch the survivors in the fog to appease the entity keeping me here given my limits?”. Remember, those who oppose or displease the entity usually get a horrific punishment as seen with the trappers hooks going through his body, disappointment is ‘probably’ not an option in his mind. His traps, his ability to teleport, even his perks reenforces this idea of pushing to keep himself safe given his limited power.
I remember when i found out they were going to change freddy and i was really sad XD i actually really enjoyed playing him as he was because of his new approach to chasing survivors. When his change came i actually did horribly as him cuz it was such a 180... but now he's back as one of my mains and even though im used to it i still wish he had a better tie to how he had been originally... you make a lot of very good points about that : )
What changes would you prefer? Freddy can't attack awake survivors? Survivors start the match already in dream realm? Alarm clocks removed? Shorter period of time for survivors to fall asleep? A new power to replace his environmental hazards? I'm curious to know what you would do to make Freddy more faithful.
@@PixelBush The problem there is that it took too long to pull survivors into the dream realm, thus giving survivors plenty of time to do gens without having to worry about being attacked. Plus it made chasing survivors a nightmare (pun not intended).
I've got a nice bullet point list of changes from when I played old Freddy that I think would make him close to perfect. 1. Reduce the number and reliability of methods that survivors can use to wake up: A. Sleeping survivors do not receive skillchecks when healing themselves with or without a medkit B. Adrenaline does not cause survivors to wake up C. Decrease the chances of skillchecks occurring while on a gen to at least old Wool Shirt levels, if not old Blue Dress levels (monitor for future changes) D. *If* further buffs are necessary after testing, survivors who are healed from the dying state do not wake up 2. Decrease his terror radius from 24 meters to either 20 or 16 meters. 3. Do not give Freddy a movespeed decrease when his beam contacts a survivor 4. QoL improvement: This would be the hardest to implement, and is hardest to describe. Essentially, when old Freddy put survivors to sleep, there would be a 7-second dream transition. During this transition, Freddy would flicker in and out of invisibility for that survivor. The very best Freddys in existence min-maxed this by moonwalking at the exact moment that they entered their last invisibility state in the transition. The survivor would assume that the invisible Freddy was still going straight so they would keep looping, where they would then get bodied by the counter-rotating Freddy. (Here's an absolute god demonstrating, and the man who made me a old Freddy main: ruclips.net/video/0rTtr7pUe-Q/видео.html ) Old Freddy needed a QoL improvement that emphasized this style of play. In addition to the blue glow and dreaming hud indicator, Freddy needed indicators for being visible/invisible to his targets. That could be a purple hud and purple glow indicator, a two-toned sound, anything really. I personally think the best implementation would be to bind each survivor to one of his knife fingers, with the left/top surivivor on the hub being bound to Freddy's index finger knife, and the bottom being bound to his pinky. While in the dream transitioning, the bound finger knife would gain a glow, similar to the survivor's blue glow, that turned on when the survivor could see Freddy, and turn off when they can't. This would communicate with new players how to correctly chase transitioning survivors, and the flicker would in time create an intuitive knowledge in players of when it starts and stops. Do all this, and I think Freddy would be a very hard killer with a high potential. It's just small tweaks to some numbers and perk & item interactions, with some QoL improvements to clarify the best uses to his power.
@@HB-fq9nn Good freddys could use the invisibility periods in transition to get around that issue, even to benefit. It just needed polish to be more intuitive rather than looking at a youtube vid to learn timings then memorising them.
I wish that freddy's kit was the teleport + the dream world. having to pull people into the dream or let a (longer) sleep timer run out. (removing the clocks) bring back the old aura reading, I say. here's the big focus, though: hallucinations. more illusory *everything* - available through addons. also, make the passive phasing at every range, because that fits really well with the source material. (at least, the first movie.)
IMO, Freddy should be strong against awake survivors via the environment, and SUPER strong against sleeping survivors by himself. They're almost right on, but just a LITTLE push could fix him. Perhaps swinging hooks against awake survivors to try and hit them, slamming pallets against them that turn to blood afterwards, etc. Combine w/ the pinned comment and freddy would be, again, IMO, perfect.
They could have kept the original design of freddy power They should have given him a second power for survivors in the dream world Maybe something like myers where he has to tier up Mainly cause freddy should feel powerful in the dream its his world
9:13 I think you have to draw a line between early Freddy and later Freddy. Most of the more ridiculous camp in Englunds performance comes much later. I wouldn't want to totally divorce the character from the later stuff though. To a very large degree it's what keeps Freddy remembered.\ But there's a solid core of horror in the early movies which is really what they need to be mining. And indeed, that's probably a large part of the thinking behind using nu-Freddy, because in a way it's also trying to mine the actual horror that made the first movies such good horror movies.
As context for how aggressive Freddy's original nerfs were If a survivor who was asleep left freddys terror radius, they would have their aura revealed until they woke up or got back into freddys terror. BHVR nerfed Insidious, a perk that reduced your terror radius to 0 after 2 seconds of standing still. They upped Insidious to 8 Seconds to reach 0 terror radius, just to spite Freddy
I must be one of the few people that thoroughly enjoyed the remake. Jackie did an amazing job as Freddy and liked the darker tones of the character. I was definitely excited when they announced Freddy to be joining and I mained him during his old days, even getting to prestige 3. I love the original movies of course and I understand peoples disdain for the remake but I honestly love it.
So, about remake Freddy liking kids. (Don’t quote me on this) but to my knowledge the original Freddy was either going to be a pedo, or actually was but it was never explicitly stated. If I am remembering correctly, they wanted Freddy to be a terrifying monster, but more ways than just his dream powers. His charisma was meant to be that extra bit of scary due to how almost likable he seemed to be whilst being so deplorable. In the remake went all the way in and made it explicit.
Freddy is an interesting case as a slasher that unfortunately works against him in places like DBD and also Freddy Vs Jason; he’s pretty limited in how he operates based on sleep it works well in his movies because we can get attached to the group of teens dealing with him (yeah I hard disagree with the idea that we only rooted for Freddy; I love Nancy Thompson) and see their fears and how creative Freddy gets in the dreamworld where he kills them. It’s less ideal when he’s going up against stuff like survivors who aren’t going to bed anytime soon, or a hulking killer who really doesn’t care about tasting victims fears when he kills them (like Jason)
I really like A Nightmare On Elm Street, though I have only seen the first three films and not this remake. I would like to see a version of Freddy with the wackiness of the original in DBD. But I would be down for at least a new power for the Freddy we do have.
I don’t know why Quentin Smith is one of my favorite survivors in DBD. Maybe it’s that his perks can assist other survivors in interesting ways? I still need to see the Nightmare on Elm Street movies to get a better idea of his personality.
Never played DBD but from what I got from your video, I think they could have blended the "trappy" nature of their design with the original Gimmick of Old Freddy. If i had to do it, i would have kept the original concept but twisting it in the following way: 1. As a passive every player who starts the game with Freddy as a killer have a "sleep bar" that slowly depletes as the game progresses, once depleted players would have to do regular skill checks in order to not feel asleep and enter the dreamworld. That would be the most drastic change but it still feels reasonable and would really add a sense of pressure to the game. 2. Instead of the beam to pull people in the dream, i would just make so that Freddy could "rig" different interactibles from the "dream world" so that when survivors use it in the "real one" they take a massive hit to their "sleep bar" and get closer to be pulled in the dream and then game over. I would put a number limit to these "rigs" to force the Freddy player to make tactical decisions. I think this would tie up better to how the character functions in lore while still keeping the "trappy" and "stealthy" nature of the design they went for. 3. Maybe this one is a little bit much but i would also allow Freddy to teleport to the objects he has previously rigged to give him mobility in the dream world and allow him to be on time if someone get KOd by one of the riggs. I would limit this too maybe with a cooldown of some kind. Basically, this turns the game into a planning and clock game instead of a run and chase. I am very unfamiliar with the game so feel free to tell me if those are bad ideas, but I just found old Freddy's concept so interesting I feel it's a shame they didn't try to stick with it a little bit more
Damn you actually mentioned Mick Taylor! Fuck yeah, I'm surprised how niche he is as a killer, he's such a good character, I'd really love to see him in DBD cos he'd fit quite well tbh
I know yhis is old but im pretty sure Freddy was always implied to be child killer and a predator I saw a video from CZsworld (from horror history) mentioned that detail when he covered Freddy's entire movie live cycle
I played before the rework and main Freddy, I was kinda sad with the changes because I loved being a stealth killer and it was terrifying to see survivors wiggling in the air with no one carrying them. When I heard the rework was coming out and all the changes, he sounded so complicated I was going to never play Freddy again, but I love Freddy so much I tried to re learn him all over again with changing my play style as well. I enjoy teleporting to gens and I could care less for snares and pallets. I hardly use them. This recent nerf didn't damage how I played him at all thankfully.
This is just an idea but what if they combined his old power with his new power, completely invisible and has to physically pull survivors into the Dream Realm *BUT* once they're asleep Freddy can affect them with the dream pallets and snares? It gives him a little more personality and some gameplay depth for the player
There was one Tumblr blogger who made original Freddy & remake Freddy into literally 2 separate entities in her own Dead by Daylight/Slasher universe(?) since they were so different.
To be honest. Freddy was the first DLC killer I paid for as I had the PS4 release when it was free for PS+ members back in 2018. And yes, I played original Freddy. I mained him until I bought the Halloween DLC. I grew up watching both Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th, I was more familiar with Freddy than Michael. I mainly mained Freddy though because he was my only DLC killer for the longest time. When I got into the higher ranks, I started to realize how week he was. Especially since everyone ran Self-Care during the time so if they could escape you and fail healing themselves they could get out of the Dream World. I used to be smart with his old kit and ran Insidious so I could find Survivors easier before they woke up. I hadn't run Freddy much since the rework. I like having fake pallets and teleporting, but it's just not the same. He feels like every other killer now. Not to mention originally I was planning on maining our favorite goblin before he got a MUCH needed texture upgrade. However, I ended up get Legion and Jeff, so I ran Jeff because we have similar features and then started running Ash because my favorite franchise is Evil Dead and it's Ash FREAKING Williams. After my 2 year hiatus from the game I started running Jeff as my main survivor again because apparently everyone goes after Ash first if someone's using him.
I can completely agree. Ever since I got freddy I always found him boring unless I limited myself to 3 perks. His power isn't loyal to the source material unlike old freddy. God I kinda want old freddy back, even if just a little while
The difference between classic and reboot is that one was a fever dream, and the other being an actual nightmare. Edit: I think Freddy could benefit from a hybrid of his old and new selves. Make survivors passively fall asleep, keep the teleport, maybe keep pallets, and have him pull survivors in again. It'd reward aggro and clever deception tactics, which would feel a lot more like normal Freddy.
Honestly when I first saw a nightmare on elm street chapter I thought I was gonna get some fear meter or something like the more he scared someone the more power he had over that survivor
I'm gonna be honest, I like the remake equally as much as the original. I like them for different reasons, the original for his charisma and creativity and the remake for the sinister and straight up evil air he carriers
16:55 “when you think of Freddy you don’t think of traps”. I like to respectful disagree on that statement. In Nightmare part 1 we see Freddy turn stars into traps when Nancy tries to go up them which is featured again in the climax of Wes Cravens New Nightmare. In Nightmare part 3 Freddy ties a kid to a bed with tongues. Turns a girl into a bug in a actual bug trap. Freddy has been a trapper at least once in each movie.
6:15 he was already a molester there are newspapers in the og films calling him one and that was the original plan back in 1981 when the film was being written
I think they should give Freddy one more rework: it should be the exact opposite of what it is now. The round should start with everyone in the dream world, and the goal of the survivors is to stay asleep. If the sleep timer runs out, then the survivor wakes up. While the survivor is awake, they can’t see Freddy (like in the movies), and if Freddy downs them while they are awake, then Freddy can Mori them.
Damn, with how you put it I wish I could've played as old Freddy. Sure he didn't sound great but I love uniqueness in my Killers. But of course Survivors scream about everything, and BHVR has to side with them.
and here's what I want to say while I do understand where you're coming from, you also have to note that Freddy is really a difficult killer to make gameplay wise after watching your video, it seems that the old Freddy seems to be based on the old Freddy powers, dragging survivors into the dream world, while rework Freddy is based on reboot Freddy, the microsleep works well, and while the traps isn't that impressive, it's pretty much how they can make Freddy more active while in the dream world without overpowering him, and kinda think of it, setting up traps is a way to show the nightmare abilities of the dream world, because we don't see him setting traps, but only see the trap being sprung, Freddy is a powerful character, but he shares the same problem as Pennywise and Lucy. he is too powerful. Freddy is someone who can easily manipulate his environment in the dream world, making it into a nightmare, but put it in DBD context, having him shaping the world would just make him too powerful. the snares and pallets are pretty much the closest thing to manipulating the environment. even though this Freddy doesn't make up to original Freddy, he does make up for DBD's standards. original Freddy wouldn't work in the tome of DBD, his taking behavour would be a worse version of Huntress' humming, the insults he would give would be basic due to dialogue and gets annoying overtime (we kinda did get a little annoyed when Ash says the same thing over and over), and again, he would be too powerful and make things out of balance for the player, Reboot Freddy works much more better since he doesn't talk too much and he has the concept of microsleep, which wouldn't fit with original Freddy overall, I don't mind this Freddy, does it make Freddy Freddy? no but it's a Freddy that fits with DBD, and it's much better than no Freddy at all Also, if we didn't have this Freddy, we wouldn't have Quentin, who went from forgettable character to Tumblr's favourite DBD survivor.
his power should’ve effected exhaustion. In the dream world, survivors shouldn’t be able to use exhaustion perks (or the cooldown should’ve been doubled). They could’ve kept Freddy’s original design of only being able to attack in the dream world but lessened the penalty for survivors by not effecting their action speed. However I still wish survivors would have to miss a skill check to wake up instead of alarm clocks
I wish the dream world made less sense. Don't get me wrong, there are other things I'd love to change about Freddy, but if I talked about them all I'd be here all day so I'm just gonna talk about the dream world.
The dream world is just a grey filter that has either snares or pallets in it (90% of the time it's snares bc pallets are bad), there's nothing about it that screams "dream." In my mind, dreams make zero sense, so I would really, really love if things in the dream world just...made zero sense.
Let me provide examples that I think would make the dream world infinitely more engaging:
1. Generators make incorrect sounds. Gens that are almost done are silent, gens that have zero progress sound like they're at 70% completion. The gen shakes and cackles when you miss a skill check.
2. Every time you break a totem, when you fall asleep, it looks as if it's still intact. You may break it again, but to the awake survivors, you're just fanning your hands over the remains of a broken totem. You walk towards a lit totem in the dream, and as soon as you touch it, you hear someone blow the candle out and giggle.
3. You open a chest and find a key. You pick it up, and now it's a flashlight.
4. The lights of the exit gates are always on in the dream, it doesn't matter if the door is truly almost open or not.
5. To really drive it home, these effects only happen sometimes.
Idk I think it'd be fun and silly :)
As soon as I read the words "I wish the dream world made less sense" I actually fell in love with your idea. I'm pinning it because it's BEAUTIFUL.
That's actually really clever, congrats.
BHVR needs to see this!
That's a fantastic idea, I'd like to add obscured text to your list as something that always happens while dreaming. I've heard somewhere that you can't read while dreaming so any activity you're doing will be impossible to read while maybe the progress bar goes weird every now and then.
Absolutely, survivors need a reason to awake themselves, you don't get the feeling of urge when you are sleep except if Freddy brings some addons. You need to play with the concept of what the dream world is to Freddy, a sandbox, a toy box, a space that it's been use to play with his victims.
You can add something like a punishment for survivors who are not waking up, like a slow after an amount of time being on the dream world or screaming for not reason, bleeding, less FOV. Something to make the dream world more of a thread. When you face Freddy the only thing to be worry about are his snares or pallets, but when that happens you just go to another loop. You can just being sleep the whole game and that's it.
Of course, if you are going to give more power to Freddy on the dream world you need to take less when his not on it. He'll need to use his old power to put you to sleep but more quickly than before, so he doesn't waste that much time.
And more thematic and gimmicky addons, like a teleport that makes all the gens bleed when he use it, being a stealth killer on the dream world with no terror radius or only hearing him laughing when his close, survivors on the dream world sees freddy instead of awake survivors for brief moments.
They have infinite posibilities with this character but they are not using it from fear to the community. Would rather face a killer that makes an unique experience than a OP kit. lol
I mained old Freddy and this was completely accurate. His old power was best described as “You’re in my world now not your world, I’ve got friends on the other side.”
@@madhunter6420 wow I can’t say I’ve ever heard anyone say that. Old Freddy was... something to be sure. I did like old better than new Freddy just because new is just pretty boring, but oh boy, you had to mentally prepare yourself before every game. That being said, he was awful and needed some power, it’s just such a shame he got slapped into mediocrity
Yeah I see many comments saying they should’ve made clocks the way you woke up rather than skillchecks and to actually make him stronger in chase while they were in sleep, it would’ve been the kind of 0-100 danger level killer that would make Freddy unique. Instead it’s more of 40-75
Love that reference
I loved old Freddy, he was my main too and Jesus he was so fun, underrated too
I was expecting your I'm my world now bitch but we all cant have what we want
Freddy was changed to a child killer in the original because producers wanted to avoid comparisons to a story in California about a series of child molestations at the time of filming.
The remake reintroduced this concept
I have no idea how many times have I seen this type of comment...
It always surprises me that not many people know this fact. I remember people being upset/mad that they made Freddy this irredeemable child pr*dator in the remakes... Because they'd been romanticizing the OG Freddy and now they felt gross.
And then they get mad at me when I say he was a p*do from the beginning, but it was cut. If anything, 2010 was more accurate to the first ever script than the OG movie.
@@gayfrog6015 First of all, you can't just ignore the original concept for something original and say 'Hey it doesn't matter 'cause it didn't come true' if it's only because for being afraid of scandal and lawsuits. Evil to begin with? This is one of those characters that pretty much have no reason behind them. And it's not like it was the evil within him. In cinema and virtual world if something's truly evil it's see-able in some ways, some sign. There were non for freddy. Most people were trying to explain this by him being a psychopath, which was actually confirmed in movies at some point or another. And yeah let's talk about his movies, because thro out all of them fallowing the original script, each had tried doing it in it own way. We had some catholic bullshit, genetics, hell, psychopath, pretty much everything that was ever tried in horrors. Honestly I always loved Freddy in movies, and he was my on top 1 killer right with Ghostface, but for how he was preying, killing, features and definitely not for story behind him. I still have some place in my heart for Freddy, and have fantastic ideas they could rework him in fantastic way. And think he should get a new series, as actual series and not max 3 hours movie.
@@gayfrog6015 You: says something wrong
Another person: quite soundly corrects you without leaving a smidgen of wiggle room for your argument to survive
You, sweating: w-well actually you're the loser for caring so much, d-dweeb!
Ouch. A uniquely pathetic way to respond when you could've just said "Oh, thanks for clearing that up for me" and went on your merry way.
@@baydiac mmmm yeah I don’t care, OG Freddy will always just be Child Killer to me.
It's such a shame that this is the only character in the game that has no limitations for his ability ( aside from legal contraints) and this is what he gets. He's a dream demon. With endless creativity they just decide "yeah put some shit on the ground and it slows survivors".
Pallets for you, pallets for her, pallets for everyone! And theyre all real..
Agreed. There was so much potential to really mess with survivors, look at the Doctor for example. Freddy doesn’t need to do the same things he does, but they could have been creative about how he messes with you when you’re asleep. The potential for that general concept was present and they dropped the ball in the creative sense.
I write notes on killer ideas of my own for dbd and that power can do great work. I had the idea for a killer blob that could press itself flat for mindgames at loops plus going underneath pallets and leave oozy puddles that slow survivors.
Then they could let Freddy spawn all sorts of new things. I need fake chests that'll inflict deep wounds upon me when I open them, the ability to go through vaultable windows out the closest vault point to Freddy wherever he is on the map towards him, and fake generators that hold me in place, pistoning my arms to make me scream for Freddy.
That wouldn't work. They have to be awoke and running in DBD because of the Entity. Maybe a few seconds asleep and awkened by Freddy though!
He has so little personality in game compared to doctor and trickster who are having fun, even legion and blight feel feral
Big disagree on Legion. Blight feels feral- blindly attacking and bashing his head into things as if tunnel visioned on prey- Legion is just someone running a bit faster and becoming more athletic.
Freddy in movies: HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAJHAHHAHAHHAHA RUN BITCH
freddy in dbd: ah ah ah...
@@vinnie4609 *Gets stunned*
Freddy: OoooOooOo
It's super unfortunate that they had to use their remake version and that they couldn't use the classic Robert englund Freddy
@@klaykid117 true and no skins
I dream of Freddy getting a rework of his power so I FEEL like I'm playing as Freddy, some cosmetics, MAYBE a Tome, and more expression. I was waiting in a lobby and I was just looking at Freddy's textures, and realized he doesn't even blink. A little touch-up would be so nice. He's no Robert Englund, and I know I'm playing as a pedophile, but god dammit he's still Freddy Kruger, so I will play till' the end of time. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Wasn’t there some legal drama happening with Freddy recently? I don’t think a tome or anything is on the table for him in the near future, but it would be nice to have a Freddy that’s not either completely underpowered or overpowered
You and I share the same wish.
I still desperately want Freddy's mori to be the Blood Tornado
Was that in the remake or just the original?
But either way it would be good
@@b1akn3ss93 it's in the first one
@@RagnarTheGrey I remember, the glove through the chest just doesn't feel right
They should take some inspiration from his Mortal kombat fatality.
@@elicrow1308 yes!
I do hope that people don’t blame Jackie Earle Haley for the remake being bad. He did his best with what he was given and I even liked parts of his performance. But I do hope we manage to get Robert Englund Freddy as a skin.
He was scarier but with less personify or fun
He was probably the best casting choice, he was just wasn't given anything to work with.
Original Freddy reveled in his evil. Remake Freddy fells like someone desperate for validation.
I honestly think he would have been a worthy successor if he was given better material to work with.
@@davidpescitelli8004 and if the others actors weren’t so one note. I tried watching the remake the other day and the acting of the teenagers ruins it. They’re all doing a Kristen Stewart expression and refusing to actually emote.
@@thatfishguy4991 Not going lie. When they announced Nancy's boyfriend as a survivor in DBD I honestly forgot who he was. I had to look it up to remember.
If they brought back the old system with Freddy being only visible in the Dreamworld they could add a cool effect with his teleport. Imagine being awake working on a gen with a teammate who is asleep, then they start running and are being chased and attacked by an invisible force. But in their perspective the gen began gushing blood and Freddy appeared making them flee.
Yes
I just keep seeing the parody scene where Jane is asking Freddy in a interview “why are you such a garbage killer?”
I kinda want that to happen again but Freddy screams “WHAT NOW BITCH?!”
lol
What I have heard and seen from the old freddy is most people didn't understand how to use his power. You weren't supposed to put someone to sleep and chase them, you had to juggles your prey and slowly the match would become harder and harder for them. The main reason people didn't like him is because they didn't understand how to use him. Definitely not the most powerful but those who played him well made him a force to be reckoned with.
And I want that Freddy back.
Sloppy butcher, Dying Light, Thana, and Remember me, these made old Freddy S+ IMO
Can confirm as an old Freddy main, juggling between survivors was the name of the game. Sleep as many as you can and supervise them, if you notice the aura going into specific animations like healing then you knew awake survivors were around there to put to sleep, let them suffer endless slowdown, let them hate having to fail a skillcheck just to be put back to sleep seconds later, a fun time even if SWF were hell on earth. Sadly nowadays idk if that Freddy would even function with how Hit and Run style killers are always booted out of the room the second they step inside, he was already one of the worst, in current metas, I feel like old Freddy would be impossible
As an Old Freddy main and a fan of the series, I honestly feel a lot of this. Honestly I just want BHVR to give me Old Freddy with New Freddy's Generator Teleport.
The pinned comment says the great idea about his powers
I love both versions, but yea Old Freddy is better.
I miss it so much. I never thought that he was strong but I just had so much fun playing as him. It just felt so nice to know exactly where everyone was, and honestly it could be used for pretty good slowdown if you paid attention to which gens were at risk.
I'd actually argue the dream pallets specifically fit Freddy perfectly. You yourself said about the teleport "it turns a safe place into nightmare and fear", which is exactly what the dream pallets do. They turn a pallet, which is the safest place in the entire game, into your death trap. Once you know he is running his pallets instead of his snares, you constantly keep paranoid to remember which pallets were used already and which were not. Which is why making them an add-on instead of base kit works even better. You don't realize he has them, untill you already fell for it. Every time you face a freddy, it's like "does he have snares or pallets?" to me, Freddy is defined mostly by toying with his prey. He is a predator with a twisted humour. I think that new freddy mostly nails this. The toying part is represented in the pallets, teleport and snares. They can turn safe situation into death traps and mind games, really strengthening that feel of the survivors just being his personal toy. When I play Freddy, I truly feel like I am just messing with the survivors untill I feel like finally going for that final blow. And the fact that he is invisable from far away to awake survivors, blinks in and out of vission for awake survivors at medium range and the fact that asleep survivors suffer from permanent oblivious effect and hear his lullaby constantly. It really adds to the feel of a constant threat, no matter what you do (similar to Plague with cleansing vs staying sick). His blinking in and out of vision and the timer also perfectly resemble the micro-sleep and inevitable fate of sleeping. To me, freddy in game is all about mind-games. Is my teleport real or a bait? Is this pallet real or fake? I could run to this safe loop, but I'd probably die if he snared it. Did I just see freddy in the distsncd, coming this direction? I hear his lullaby, but where is he? I constantly feel uneasy when going against him, cuz I never know if my next move will safe me or kill me. And I constantly feel like I controll the survivors while playing as freddy. It feels like I am just playing with them and letting them screw themselfs over, to then finally relieve them from their nightmare. To me, freddy feels nearly perfect.
Damn. That was really well said.
@@elicrow1308 thanks man!
Hit the nail on the coffin. Freddy is pretty solid. I just wished we had the original license 😭 imagine a Freddy/dbd inspired theme playing for his terror radius and his chase music from the old ones.
Bro very well said, I think the abilities fit freddy too, but I do also really like actually pulling people into the dream world and being invisible to awake survivors. I never got the chance to play original freddy but I main current freddy and it's a very fun experience
If they make him like old Fredy but with the teleport and less time to the survivors to fall asleep he would be like the source material and more strong. (PD it would be Also cool that they give him his own terror radious.)
@@elitechaz8440 I disagree. He had action penalties and an aura reading, which I prefer over Trapper and the time he wastes carrying traps around.
@@FookMi69 I'd sacrifice aura reading for an iridescent ad on if it meant we had two second dream pull, and maybe his lullaby that plays activates when he's near by, a timer for when you'll automatically go to sleep.
I was an old Freddy main, and I didn’t realise how much I loved playing him until it was already too late... I wish we could have old Freddy back, but keep the gen teleport. And a few other quality of life changes such as being able to grab survivors off gens when they are in the dream transition
I’m a survivor who’s never met old Freddy and would have loved to play against him.
I think the worst part of that chapter was not getting a Freddy that could actually speak when attacking you or getting Robert Englund. It also would've been nice to have Nancy or Glen from the 1985 film
As for Badham, I think the preschool should be bigger and more open as chases go down the same way, perhaps one of the houses could be cannibalized to make way for a larger parking lot and upper building, the boiler room should be a little wider as well and should have another entrance from outside or from a nearby houses basement.
I’m really hoping we will one day get a legendary collection for a nightmare on elm street with Nancy for a skin for Quentin and the original Robert England Freddy as a skin for 1984
Would’ve preferred if they would overhaul the entire chapter into the classic A Nightmare on Elm Street.
I would really like to see the entity freddy as a skin for him from wes Cravens new nightmare
id rather alice be the survivor
I always thought that instead of him automatically putting you into the dream world by hitting you the clock would tremendously speed itself up when you're in Freddy's lullaby terror radius and being able to bring people into the dream world like old freddy except with a reduced timer like maybe 1 or 2 seconds instead of the super long 7 seconds.
I honestly feel like if they went back to the dream world concept w the pulling survivors to sleep, but kept the alarm clocks and teleporting would be best of both worlds honestly
Freddy Krueger: *comes to kill me in my dreams*
Me, a lucid dreamer: "I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!"
"Sorry, kid. I don't believe in fairy tales."
the fact you didnt say "PAER FAECTTTTT" instead of perfect. is enough to make me love you.
Why was this video blocked in my country? I had to trick RUclips in letting me see this video. Something to do with "This video contains content from LDS".
Copyright issues, I've sorted it.
@@PixelBush what were they even complainig about lol
I agree with you, on most parts, especially with the one that his old power was more true to his character and more special.
However, there is NO WAY you'll ever make me believe that in any way, shape or form remake Freddy suits dbd better than OG Freddy.
Somthing tells me behaviour is scared to do a second rework because it would make them look bad or something. I always thought adding the sleeping timer and maybe the pallets to old Freddy would make him a still flawed if more powerful yet fatefully killer to the Freddy seen in both movies.
that honestly sounds like a pretty dope rework
I would really like this.
I've been thinking recently about how much I miss his old power, putting people to sleep was such a unique aspect to the game and I miss that :(
Oh man you're making my old Freddy main flare up so I gotta vent:
Ok, good things about the rework first. The environmental manipulation is pretty par for the course for Freddy so that's accurate.........aaaaaand that's it. Old Freddy was UNIQUE. There was no other killer who saw auras in basekit like Freddy could; Doctor DOESN'T COUNT because his clones are intermittent and do not show up to him until Madness Tier 3 unless you use an addon. Freddy had weird stealth, slowdown, Dream transition mindgames, and was all in all the most strategic killer of them all. I made an entire guide on him called "Freddy For Masochists" which is still on Steam because I just can't take it down after pouring so many hours of work into it. He was VERY underrated, very much like Twins. Was he perfect? No. But he wasn't god-awful either and he was a unique boy. His old addons were so varied and wacky: there were some that made his Dream Transition function differently for fun mindgames, there was a jumpscare addon in Red Paintbrush, there were Dream Transition movement speed addons which while not great did have fun synergy with speed perks, there were ACTUAL slowdown addons (none of this 4% bullshit, TWENTY FIVE PERCENT!!!) that could create an oppressive endgame, and there was the glorious heavenly beautiful most strategic and powerful feeling addon of all Class Photo. WHAT'S NEW FREDDY GOT!? Duuuuuuh tiny slowdown buff. Duuuuuh, faster recharge. Duuuuuuh, power debuff addon with bloodpoint bonus. Duuuuuh, everyone's in Dream World. Duuuuh, tiny buff to visibility which is too weak to actually affect your gameplay. And not one, not two, but FOUR Blindness and Hemorrhage addons (WHY ARE THEY STILL MAKING THOSE!?). He's BLAND, HOMOGENOUS, and worst of all way too powerful with way too little effort. Old Freddy DESERVED his victories, he took WORK to use and when you put the effort in to learn his strategic power you were rewarded handsomely. New Freddy spams snares and teleports.
If I was in charge of reworking Freddy, I'd take him right back to old Freddy. MAYBE I'd tweak the values on the Dream Transition time and MAYBE I'd keep the teleport or add in some other environmental things to give Freddy some extra oomph to his power to keep up with modern gen speeds/chasing. But he was pretty fine the way he was and I have won PERKLESS AND ADDONLESS games with him at red ranks. The poor guy was never given a chance to shine and if Twins end up in the same boat as him or get nerfed to oblivion I am quitting immediately and never looking back.
Rant over, sorry.
This video was great and I enjoyed your thoughts. I can agree now that Haley's Freddy was indeed a better fit for DBD despite missing Englund's charm.
I was with you until you mentioned you think forever Freddy is good. lol.
@@cereyza Well that addon can go, I never used it much. But just give back the other ones and old Fredster's power
@@cereyza The main problem I have with nerfed Forever Freddy addons is that they're USELESS. Whether 25% slowdown is healthy or not you can at least agree it's useful and serves a HELPFUL PURPOSE. Useless addons just clog up Bloodwebs and take up space that could be filled with addons that spice up your power with ACTUAL gimmicks. If they've gotta go, at least change them in a way like with Demo's adons versus....what they did with Freddy's block addons.
you sound very angry
@@demogorgon1856 I am, I spent MONTHS maining him and then he just got cracked cuz people couldn't see his potential and the devs decided to cheaply overhaul him instead of fixing what's bad about him. They also gutted my OTHER main the Twins. I'm just....VERY frustrated at these guys.
Incredible video as always, hopefully Behavior can actually make Freddy feel like Freddy one day
Here is a idea, what if Freddy could interact with a alarm clock to become completely invisible and put him into a "nightmare" state (which would pretty much be his launch power, where he cannot attack survivors) , interacting with the clock would immediately wake all survivors up but make them oblivious temporarily.
While in this "Nightmare" state, Freddy cannot attack survivors unless he tags them with his "dream beam" before hand, but as a evolution of that power the longer he holds down his dream beam on a survivor the more disillusioned they become, shifting in and out of the dream realm, being able to hear Freddy, mixed terror radius noises or even hearing nothing at all.
Once the survivors fall asleep Freddy can attack them.
Survivors would only be able to wake up from other awake survivors while Freddy is in the "nightmare state".
Freddy could swap between his "Nightmare" state and "Mortal" state at will through the clocks. In his mortal state he can place traps, but they are disabled in the nightmare state.
I also think Freddy should have unlimited traps/fake pallets in the "Mortal state" at the cost of them disappearing after awhile (either 30 seconds or scaling with the amount you have active). Freddy would only be able to teleport in his "Nightmare" state. I don't think Freddy should have any generator slowdown effects affiliated with him.
TL;DR
Freddy should be able to switch between his two versions of his kit, one for stealth and teleport ambushes and one for traps and effective chasing.
lets be real reworks like this will never come through cuz this is literally material for an entire new killer lol
@@ticktackbooom8831 i mean thats literally just his old power
Okay, so here's MY idea for an another rework: we return to the old ways with Freddy having to pull survivors to the dream realm to hurt them, BUT he has to do it by hand. Let me explain - Freddy roams around in the dream realm, completely invisible in the real world, survivors in the real world only see his red zone and hear the terror radius, those are the hints where he is and that you need to hide. His actual model is invisible. When Freddy hits a survivor three times, they don't actually enter the injured or downed state. After three hits instead, their body collapses and they enter the dream realm. There, The survivors are back to their "healthy" state, and THEN Freddy must down them normally, like any killer would, except he isn't slowed down as much by pallets or hitting survivors.
That is because getting out of the dream realm is relatively easy - the exit gates are always open. When a dreaming survivor exits through the gate, they return to their sleeping body in the place they were downed and can resume playing normally. And escaping the dream world must be that easy because getting killed in the dream world is an *insta kill* No second chances, you get hooked there, you're done. Just like in the movies - The main goal is to NOT fall asleep at any cost and if you do, get the hell out of there because you're outmatched.
Edit: Also as PuzzlePeace pointed out, it should be weird and abstract, But... I have different interpretations of how that should be done... For starters, Some pieces of terrain are invisible untill you walk very, very close to them, like two meters from them. Some pieces of terrain are instead false and you can walk through them, they just kinda fade out when you approach (Like the entity deleting the terrain around the hook when you sacrifice someone). If the map has a basement, It doesn't have any lockers and takes a form of a burning brick room. And instead of Hooks, there's a furnace... All a symbol of Freddy and how he died. The basement should also be the only place you can sacrifice the survivor (Also you can't escape Freddy's grasp in the dream world), since having to walk all the way to the basement everytime will slow him down enough for it to balance out the other strengths
'26 seconds ago' Nice timing lol
I personally love new Freddy
The map being a lighter color reflects how Freddy is treating like this as a game rather than a serious trial like in the movies. His powers reflecting how he has utter control over the situation, how he plays with his food before closing in for the kill.
And now Bubba is the most beloved killer in the game
I would seriously much rather play against bubba or a stridor spirit than Freddy. Not because he’s a better killer than them, but just because he has SO LITTLE personality to him, and he’s so boring to verse. This is coming from a killer main btw.
@@Trigger__Happy I always thought he was the coolest because of his dream world, his whole aura is very frightening.
As a freddy main, I really do miss old freddy. My dream rework (pun intended) is to combine both versions into one. Keep the teleport, keep the snares and pallets, but give him all of his stealth, aura reading, slow down, and most importantly, let him put people to sleep again on a 3-4 second timer instead of 7 seconds, and to avoid survivors popping gens in his face while falling asleep, survivors who are falling asleep can't work on gens/totems/exit gates until fully asleep. Old freddy had and imo still has so much potential to be a strong AND unique killer, BHVR just has to actually tweak him instead of just nerfing him into the ground any time he's strong.
I’ve heard a lot of people say that Freddy’s old power was just unfinished and I agree, though I’ve never played him watching the videos that had him in them seemed like a lot of fun, just lacking some threat. I think it would’ve been great if they had just made him stronger in chase (given him dream snares or something) and made waking up harder (like how it works now) he would’ve been the perfect 0-100 danger killer.
To be honest, all I want for Freddy is to have his power reworked one more time into a hybrid of his version now and the old version.
Here's kind of an interesting idea I've had for Freddy if they did some kind of rework for a second time:
Each survivor starts the trial fully awake unless affected by addons.
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Awake Survivors - Cannot see or nor be seen or harmed by the killer, and suffer from the Oblivious status effect. This stage lasts for 15 seconds before transitioning to microsleep
Microsleeping Survivors - Can faintly see and be seen by the killer (similarly to the dream transition effect, but it progresses/regresses linearly depending on the distance) within 24 meters and can be attacked to immediately fall asleep. This stage lasts for 45 seconds before completely falling asleep.
Asleep Survivors - Can fully see and be seen by the killer at any distance and are aware to the killer's terror radius (32m). Action volumes and failed skill check penalties are doubled, and performing altruistic actions will reveal your aura while outside of a 32 meter range. This stage lasts indefinitely until a survivor is jolted into microsleep by a failed skill check, or fully awoken by another awake or microsleeping survivor.
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Freddy Krueger's Dream Demon ability will allow him to collapse into a pool of blood and become completely invisible and undetectable. While traversing invisibly, his movement speed is moderately increased. Releasing the ability will cause him to lose control of movement and slowly appear over 3.5 seconds, after which he will regain his terror radius and return to normal movement speed. After use, the ability will go on cooldown for 30 seconds.
I'm definitely no balance expert, so I'd love to hear how this sounds because something like this sounds like it could be more fun and interactive.
What is up with all these dudes trying to bring back Forever Freddy? Like, did you really enjoy it that much as a Survivor Player? Just think about it, the Penalties were removed this update because people still found it frustrating to play against. This is obviously true because it just makes you sit on a gen longer. Nobody wants that cuz its the most boring shit ever and then people like you suggesting the original 50% penalties like thats actually cringe bro
It was god-awful as old Freddy when you were not able to hit people right in front of you, finishing gens in your face and healing dying people on the ground so u cant pick them, possibly even insta heal them with old insta-heal. Im sorry but to all of you out there just stop bitching about New Freddy he is fine the way he is and I hope the old shit Freddy will never come back
@@ticktackbooom8831 I wasn't saying I didn't like the new Freddy, I just thought it would be cool if he had a more unique version of his power back. I was a bit tired when I wrote this so I didn't really think it 100% through and I left some bits out. I'm not a fan at all of action speed debuffs and I despised playing as and against Forever Freddy so I don't even know why I thought of the 25% initially, but I'll edit the version to what I think now that I'm more awake.
I'm happy with the Freddy we have now, I'm just kind of coming up with ideas on what a reworked version _could_ be like.
I used to be a Freddy main before the rework, but now he’s not unique anymore so I just kinda float between a bunch of killers. He really used to stand out.
I have always thought that Jackie’s Freddy was more scary. Did people really want a funny character in dead by daylight?
Preety sure they did, those crazy bastard.
Englund's Freddy is campy but that'd make for some fun mori's and voice lines, and he has so much spirit that he'd enjoy the chase a lot. It's why people like Ash being in the game. 2010 Freddy isn't all that scary in the game, is the problem. He's just really boring. The graphics for his dream world are dull and annoying too, it's more evocative of the Fog World from Silent Hill than the scary orange hellfire of the boiler room he's affiliated with. He's a decent enough killer but he's not fun to play against. And his map sucks.
@@CreditR01 understandable
Absolutely we did. OG Freddy was campy and not scary back then, but if they redid him now, keeping Robert Englund as the one who plays him, I’d wager he’d be a force to be reckoned with.
@@CrimsonSnoipah true, and I guess my point falls flat there. It would be nice if they added a legendary OG Freddy skin into the game.
I am so happy I’ve found your channel!! These are exactly the type of deep dive videos I need on DBD lore/character design 🙌
As a Quentin main, I can't wait for that video!
I miss my dream boi’s pre-rework iteration. He was my main and I think he could have been buffed in much nicer ways, maybe making the survivors injurable whilst falling asleep but not downable, even making his base sleep time lower. I just wish old Freddy was still an option, a toggle in the menu to select him, whatever, just let me have him back
I'm not a fan of the 2010 Reboot Freddy's film, but I still think it was the best version to bring into DBD. Classic Freddy is great, but he wouldn't fit the theme of DBD.
An absolutely incredible video! Thank you so much for making this, I genuinely hope one day we'll see a return to some form, of the old nightmare.
Freddy deserves another rework. They should bring back old freddy but tweek some things. Like make the transition shorter, make his "terror raidus" in the dream world bigger(probably 32 meters), and make the effects different(like make them hindered, slower gen speeds, and slower healing). But the way you wake up isnt as simple as it is now. When you become asleep, the time on your profile will start and after 60 seconds the clock furthest from you becomes active. Or if freddy hits you, then he'll knock you out of the dream world where he has to pull you back in again. And keep all his other elements like the teleport and previously stated clocks. But remove dream snares and pallets since they suck and dont fit with freddy thematically.
Wes Craven originally did want to make Freddy a child molester and killer at the same time. I think in the end it was healthier for the franchise that it was changed, because people usually watch slashers for the colorful killers, not the lousy teenagers getting slashed. If Freddy had been a child abuser from day one I’m pretty sure most people would have been too disgusted to want to watch a sequel.
I truly think that old Freddy could have been viable if old class photo was base kit, and if you could use dream projection, but only if the effects of dream projection (seeing blood spitting out, Freddy clawing up) were visible while asleep. It would give map pressure, provide a sense of 'aw crap, he's suddenly here,' and with old class photo, the underlying sense of suddenly calling asleep is inevitable.
Okay I love how in-depth he goes into these characters. I think I’ve watched both this vid, and the Michael Myers Retrospective video two times each over the course of the last 24 hours. Much respect!
@Miguel Messina I think it’s my new favorite video on RUclips tbh XD
my simple rework of Freddy. You are completely invisible and undetectable to anyone who's awake but you can't interact with them in anyway. This results in massive tension as they work on gens and do other things because they never know where you are or who you're stalking. This rework requires removing a majority of the alarm clocks. and spacing out the remainder of them. I would be fine with there being 5 alarm clocks. 4 that spawn in semi random locations close to the corners of the map and one that spawns semi randomly somewhat close to the center. you probably need to shorten the time it takes for a survivor to fall asleep. maybe 30-40 seconds and Freddy has add ons to shorten this. This way, your main gameplay as Freddy is silently stalking a survivor until you know they're close to falling asleep and then pouncing when they do. keep the snares and pallets as well bc a true to life Freddy needs to manipulate the environment in some way. he loves his mind games. also, as an alternative to teleworking to generators I propose a possibility of teleporting to any survivor who's been asleep for more than say 5 seconds. Mechanically it should operate almost just like Hags teleport. you could even include a phantasm to warn them you're coming. I think a cool add on would be one that doesn't trigger that. just like Hags. thus would incentivise survivors to keep track of their sleep cycle and give him a good mixture of map pressure and slowdown but only against misplays by the survivors. Which would not only be more lore accurate imo but also balanced because you would get punished for misplacing your timer but you could also be rewarded for keeping a good mental timer and good map awareness. just an idea 🤷🏼♂️ it's possible that teams could be so good at this timer mechanic that Freddy couldn't get a single hit against a team so maybe it requires some rethinking.
Edit: As for his ultra rare and very rare add ons, they could be things that allow him to instantly put someone to sleep in a certain range through a very specific action. IE. Kicking a Gen if someone is within 24 meters. or vaulting within range, so on so forth.
Freddy is a perfect example of how not to do a licensed killer.
He started being competitively weak, but faithful to the source material
The rework flipped that, making him Competitively strong, but nothing like the source material.
Now, after the bombardment of nerfs, he is neither competitively viable or faithful to the source material. Well done, BHVR
Request: could you do a video on how YOU would bring Jason Voorhees to DBD?
here's my concept for a freddy rework-
freddy keeps his teleport, it just isn't visible to those not above 50% tiredness. he can place down new dream pallets, which behave like a normal pallet, but cannot be vaulted by survivors.
freddy quickly puts people to sleep by being within 10 meters of them. tiredness does not regress. at 50% tiredness, you can see freddy sporatically. at 75% tiredness, you occasionally cannot tell the progress of generators, as it will "flicker", going from your current progress to 0% to 100% to some random progress before returning to your current progress.
when asleep, you cannot wake up on your own, as another survivor has to wake you up by finding an adrenaline syringe around the map, a special item that spawns randomly every so often, and using it on you. while asleep, generators are constantly "flickering", skillchecks for generators have false activation areas which only reveal themselves just before they show, and freddy can see your aura when outside of his terror radius.
Tbh, I don’t mind Freddy’s power, I see these comments say shit like “He’S a DreAm DeMOn, HE ShoUld bE abLe tO Do AnYthIng…” yadayadayada… if you read his lore it states that the entity toned down his power over in the dream world, most likely to have more control over him. This means that he is no longer thinking ”how can I toy, torment, and kill my victims in the most creative ways possible?” And more like “what’s the most efficient way to catch the survivors in the fog to appease the entity keeping me here given my limits?”. Remember, those who oppose or displease the entity usually get a horrific punishment as seen with the trappers hooks going through his body, disappointment is ‘probably’ not an option in his mind. His traps, his ability to teleport, even his perks reenforces this idea of pushing to keep himself safe given his limited power.
I remember when i found out they were going to change freddy and i was really sad XD i actually really enjoyed playing him as he was because of his new approach to chasing survivors. When his change came i actually did horribly as him cuz it was such a 180... but now he's back as one of my mains and even though im used to it i still wish he had a better tie to how he had been originally... you make a lot of very good points about that : )
What changes would you prefer?
Freddy can't attack awake survivors?
Survivors start the match already in dream realm?
Alarm clocks removed?
Shorter period of time for survivors to fall asleep?
A new power to replace his environmental hazards?
I'm curious to know what you would do to make Freddy more faithful.
I would start with reverting Freddy back to old Freddy but keeping the teleport from new Freddy and seeing where he sat.
@@PixelBush The problem there is that it took too long to pull survivors into the dream realm, thus giving survivors plenty of time to do gens without having to worry about being attacked. Plus it made chasing survivors a nightmare (pun not intended).
I've got a nice bullet point list of changes from when I played old Freddy that I think would make him close to perfect.
1. Reduce the number and reliability of methods that survivors can use to wake up:
A. Sleeping survivors do not receive skillchecks when healing themselves with or without a medkit
B. Adrenaline does not cause survivors to wake up
C. Decrease the chances of skillchecks occurring while on a gen to at least old Wool Shirt levels, if not old Blue Dress levels (monitor for future changes)
D. *If* further buffs are necessary after testing, survivors who are healed from the dying state do not wake up
2. Decrease his terror radius from 24 meters to either 20 or 16 meters.
3. Do not give Freddy a movespeed decrease when his beam contacts a survivor
4. QoL improvement: This would be the hardest to implement, and is hardest to describe. Essentially, when old Freddy put survivors to sleep, there would be a 7-second dream transition. During this transition, Freddy would flicker in and out of invisibility for that survivor.
The very best Freddys in existence min-maxed this by moonwalking at the exact moment that they entered their last invisibility state in the transition. The survivor would assume that the invisible Freddy was still going straight so they would keep looping, where they would then get bodied by the counter-rotating Freddy. (Here's an absolute god demonstrating, and the man who made me a old Freddy main: ruclips.net/video/0rTtr7pUe-Q/видео.html )
Old Freddy needed a QoL improvement that emphasized this style of play. In addition to the blue glow and dreaming hud indicator, Freddy needed indicators for being visible/invisible to his targets. That could be a purple hud and purple glow indicator, a two-toned sound, anything really.
I personally think the best implementation would be to bind each survivor to one of his knife fingers, with the left/top surivivor on the hub being bound to Freddy's index finger knife, and the bottom being bound to his pinky. While in the dream transitioning, the bound finger knife would gain a glow, similar to the survivor's blue glow, that turned on when the survivor could see Freddy, and turn off when they can't. This would communicate with new players how to correctly chase transitioning survivors, and the flicker would in time create an intuitive knowledge in players of when it starts and stops.
Do all this, and I think Freddy would be a very hard killer with a high potential. It's just small tweaks to some numbers and perk & item interactions, with some QoL improvements to clarify the best uses to his power.
@@pr0p3r99 Very well put together. 👍
@@HB-fq9nn Good freddys could use the invisibility periods in transition to get around that issue, even to benefit. It just needed polish to be more intuitive rather than looking at a youtube vid to learn timings then memorising them.
I wish that freddy's kit was the teleport + the dream world.
having to pull people into the dream or let a (longer) sleep timer run out. (removing the clocks)
bring back the old aura reading, I say.
here's the big focus, though: hallucinations.
more illusory *everything* - available through addons.
also, make the passive phasing at every range, because that fits really well with the source material. (at least, the first movie.)
IMO, Freddy should be strong against awake survivors via the environment, and SUPER strong against sleeping survivors by himself. They're almost right on, but just a LITTLE push could fix him. Perhaps swinging hooks against awake survivors to try and hit them, slamming pallets against them that turn to blood afterwards, etc. Combine w/ the pinned comment and freddy would be, again, IMO, perfect.
They could have kept the original design of freddy power
They should have given him a second power for survivors in the dream world
Maybe something like myers where he has to tier up
Mainly cause freddy should feel powerful in the dream its his world
9:13 I think you have to draw a line between early Freddy and later Freddy. Most of the more ridiculous camp in Englunds performance comes much later. I wouldn't want to totally divorce the character from the later stuff though. To a very large degree it's what keeps Freddy remembered.\
But there's a solid core of horror in the early movies which is really what they need to be mining. And indeed, that's probably a large part of the thinking behind using nu-Freddy, because in a way it's also trying to mine the actual horror that made the first movies such good horror movies.
As context for how aggressive Freddy's original nerfs were
If a survivor who was asleep left freddys terror radius, they would have their aura revealed until they woke up or got back into freddys terror.
BHVR nerfed Insidious, a perk that reduced your terror radius to 0 after 2 seconds of standing still. They upped Insidious to 8 Seconds to reach 0 terror radius, just to spite Freddy
Hanging off the. Belcony screaming as it starting to break awesome
I must be one of the few people that thoroughly enjoyed the remake. Jackie did an amazing job as Freddy and liked the darker tones of the character. I was definitely excited when they announced Freddy to be joining and I mained him during his old days, even getting to prestige 3. I love the original movies of course and I understand peoples disdain for the remake but I honestly love it.
So, about remake Freddy liking kids.
(Don’t quote me on this) but to my knowledge the original Freddy was either going to be a pedo, or actually was but it was never explicitly stated.
If I am remembering correctly, they wanted Freddy to be a terrifying monster, but more ways than just his dream powers. His charisma was meant to be that extra bit of scary due to how almost likable he seemed to be whilst being so deplorable. In the remake went all the way in and made it explicit.
we got freddy, but at what cost?
17:55 got me fukin dying dude. Keep that up
I loved playing older Freddy personally. I wish I’d be able to play him again.
Freddy is an interesting case as a slasher that unfortunately works against him in places like DBD and also Freddy Vs Jason; he’s pretty limited in how he operates based on sleep it works well in his movies because we can get attached to the group of teens dealing with him (yeah I hard disagree with the idea that we only rooted for Freddy; I love Nancy Thompson) and see their fears and how creative Freddy gets in the dreamworld where he kills them. It’s less ideal when he’s going up against stuff like survivors who aren’t going to bed anytime soon, or a hulking killer who really doesn’t care about tasting victims fears when he kills them (like Jason)
I really like A Nightmare On Elm Street, though I have only seen the first three films and not this remake. I would like to see a version of Freddy with the wackiness of the original in DBD. But I would be down for at least a new power for the Freddy we do have.
Bro had a stroke in his words at 1:29
appreciation for that hatch escape allegory in the end of the video, with the hope that Freddy will someday "come back to his glory".
I felt that
I don’t know why Quentin Smith is one of my favorite survivors in DBD. Maybe it’s that his perks can assist other survivors in interesting ways? I still need to see the Nightmare on Elm Street movies to get a better idea of his personality.
It’s only the 2010s movie I think, I watched it. He’s likeable
Never played DBD but from what I got from your video, I think they could have blended the "trappy" nature of their design with the original Gimmick of Old Freddy.
If i had to do it, i would have kept the original concept but twisting it in the following way:
1. As a passive every player who starts the game with Freddy as a killer have a "sleep bar" that slowly depletes as the game progresses, once depleted players would have to do regular skill checks in order to not feel asleep and enter the dreamworld. That would be the most drastic change but it still feels reasonable and would really add a sense of pressure to the game.
2. Instead of the beam to pull people in the dream, i would just make so that Freddy could "rig" different interactibles from the "dream world" so that when survivors use it in the "real one" they take a massive hit to their "sleep bar" and get closer to be pulled in the dream and then game over.
I would put a number limit to these "rigs" to force the Freddy player to make tactical decisions. I think this would tie up better to how the character functions in lore while still keeping the "trappy" and "stealthy" nature of the design they went for.
3. Maybe this one is a little bit much but i would also allow Freddy to teleport to the objects he has previously rigged to give him mobility in the dream world and allow him to be on time if someone get KOd by one of the riggs. I would limit this too maybe with a cooldown of some kind.
Basically, this turns the game into a planning and clock game instead of a run and chase.
I am very unfamiliar with the game so feel free to tell me if those are bad ideas, but I just found old Freddy's concept so interesting I feel it's a shame they didn't try to stick with it a little bit more
Damn you actually mentioned Mick Taylor! Fuck yeah, I'm surprised how niche he is as a killer, he's such a good character, I'd really love to see him in DBD cos he'd fit quite well tbh
I know yhis is old but im pretty sure Freddy was always implied to be child killer and a predator
I saw a video from CZsworld (from horror history) mentioned that detail when he covered Freddy's entire movie live cycle
If theres one thing I like about Freddys chapter, It's that his map is very atmospheric.
6:23 This clip is so funny to me, I need to hear a version with vine booms.
I played before the rework and main Freddy, I was kinda sad with the changes because I loved being a stealth killer and it was terrifying to see survivors wiggling in the air with no one carrying them. When I heard the rework was coming out and all the changes, he sounded so complicated I was going to never play Freddy again, but I love Freddy so much I tried to re learn him all over again with changing my play style as well. I enjoy teleporting to gens and I could care less for snares and pallets. I hardly use them. This recent nerf didn't damage how I played him at all thankfully.
This is just an idea but what if they combined his old power with his new power, completely invisible and has to physically pull survivors into the Dream Realm *BUT* once they're asleep Freddy can affect them with the dream pallets and snares? It gives him a little more personality and some gameplay depth for the player
Sure, I think you will most likely enjoy wake Survivors finish gens / healing dying Survivors with We are gonna live forever in your face
17:57 i feel so bad for that Nancy
As one if the ten Quentin mains left in the game I am very excited for the upcoming video
There was one Tumblr blogger who made original Freddy & remake Freddy into literally 2 separate entities in her own Dead by Daylight/Slasher universe(?) since they were so different.
Can you give me the tumblr name, I’m interested
spookylizpg, but she's pretty inactive now, from the looks of it. Look in the Archives.
To be honest. Freddy was the first DLC killer I paid for as I had the PS4 release when it was free for PS+ members back in 2018. And yes, I played original Freddy. I mained him until I bought the Halloween DLC. I grew up watching both Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th, I was more familiar with Freddy than Michael. I mainly mained Freddy though because he was my only DLC killer for the longest time. When I got into the higher ranks, I started to realize how week he was. Especially since everyone ran Self-Care during the time so if they could escape you and fail healing themselves they could get out of the Dream World. I used to be smart with his old kit and ran Insidious so I could find Survivors easier before they woke up.
I hadn't run Freddy much since the rework. I like having fake pallets and teleporting, but it's just not the same. He feels like every other killer now. Not to mention originally I was planning on maining our favorite goblin before he got a MUCH needed texture upgrade. However, I ended up get Legion and Jeff, so I ran Jeff because we have similar features and then started running Ash because my favorite franchise is Evil Dead and it's Ash FREAKING Williams. After my 2 year hiatus from the game I started running Jeff as my main survivor again because apparently everyone goes after Ash first if someone's using him.
I can completely agree. Ever since I got freddy I always found him boring unless I limited myself to 3 perks. His power isn't loyal to the source material unlike old freddy. God I kinda want old freddy back, even if just a little while
The way Freddy could be unique again is with an insane idea to make every survivor experience the dream world different, like in the nightmare movies
The difference between classic and reboot is that one was a fever dream, and the other being an actual nightmare.
Edit: I think Freddy could benefit from a hybrid of his old and new selves. Make survivors passively fall asleep, keep the teleport, maybe keep pallets, and have him pull survivors in again. It'd reward aggro and clever deception tactics, which would feel a lot more like normal Freddy.
Honestly when I first saw a nightmare on elm street chapter I thought I was gonna get some fear meter or something like the more he scared someone the more power he had over that survivor
I'm gonna be honest, I like the remake equally as much as the original. I like them for different reasons, the original for his charisma and creativity and the remake for the sinister and straight up evil air he carriers
You're doing for DBD what Oxhorn and Vaatividya has done for Fallout and Dark Souls lore respectively. Great work 👍
They should make an addon that can let you play as old Freddy.
16:55 “when you think of Freddy you don’t think of traps”.
I like to respectful disagree on that statement.
In Nightmare part 1 we see Freddy turn stars into traps when Nancy tries to go up them which is featured again in the climax of Wes Cravens New Nightmare.
In Nightmare part 3 Freddy ties a kid to a bed with tongues.
Turns a girl into a bug in a actual bug trap.
Freddy has been a trapper at least once in each movie.
@pixelbush have you thought about doing a video about Frieddy in the use of Mortal Kombat. I liiked his depiction there.. maybe do a comparison video?
6:15 he was already a molester there are newspapers in the og films calling him one and that was the original plan back in 1981 when the film was being written
I would love an iridescent add on that lets you play as old Freddy.
Kinda like bubba but add how would add ons combine with the add ons
We really need a Robert Englund skin. I haven't played in a long time. Has there been any talk of a original Freddy skin?
Don't think
@@ridleyformk1244 unfortunate
@@malic_zarith yeah
Also fun detail. Wes Craven original concept of Freddy was to be a child molester...But he changed his mind
I think they should give Freddy one more rework: it should be the exact opposite of what it is now. The round should start with everyone in the dream world, and the goal of the survivors is to stay asleep. If the sleep timer runs out, then the survivor wakes up. While the survivor is awake, they can’t see Freddy (like in the movies), and if Freddy downs them while they are awake, then Freddy can Mori them.
Damn, with how you put it I wish I could've played as old Freddy. Sure he didn't sound great but I love uniqueness in my Killers. But of course Survivors scream about everything, and BHVR has to side with them.
Your comment about how only Survivor Players were suggesting changes for the Nightmare is so cringy and delusional its actually unreal
It wasn't necessarily survivors complaining, it was literally the WHOLE community with killers probably being more so
I still want my freddie headpiece with sun glasses
and here's what I want to say
while I do understand where you're coming from, you also have to note that Freddy is really a difficult killer to make gameplay wise
after watching your video, it seems that the old Freddy seems to be based on the old Freddy powers, dragging survivors into the dream world, while rework Freddy is based on reboot Freddy,
the microsleep works well, and while the traps isn't that impressive, it's pretty much how they can make Freddy more active while in the dream world without overpowering him, and kinda think of it, setting up traps is a way to show the nightmare abilities of the dream world, because we don't see him setting traps, but only see the trap being sprung,
Freddy is a powerful character, but he shares the same problem as Pennywise and Lucy.
he is too powerful.
Freddy is someone who can easily manipulate his environment in the dream world, making it into a nightmare, but put it in DBD context, having him shaping the world would just make him too powerful. the snares and pallets are pretty much the closest thing to manipulating the environment.
even though this Freddy doesn't make up to original Freddy, he does make up for DBD's standards. original Freddy wouldn't work in the tome of DBD, his taking behavour would be a worse version of Huntress' humming, the insults he would give would be basic due to dialogue and gets annoying overtime (we kinda did get a little annoyed when Ash says the same thing over and over), and again, he would be too powerful and make things out of balance for the player, Reboot Freddy works much more better since he doesn't talk too much and he has the concept of microsleep, which wouldn't fit with original Freddy
overall, I don't mind this Freddy, does it make Freddy Freddy? no but it's a Freddy that fits with DBD, and it's much better than no Freddy at all
Also, if we didn't have this Freddy, we wouldn't have Quentin, who went from forgettable character to Tumblr's favourite DBD survivor.
his power should’ve effected exhaustion. In the dream world, survivors shouldn’t be able to use exhaustion perks (or the cooldown should’ve been doubled). They could’ve kept Freddy’s original design of only being able to attack in the dream world but lessened the penalty for survivors by not effecting their action speed. However I still wish survivors would have to miss a skill check to wake up instead of alarm clocks
I liked the remake man. It wasn’t bad and was still had a similar creepy vibe to it.