Tallinn - Estonia's wonderful capital
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- In episode 11 of our travels around Europe we explore the fascinating and beautiful city of Tallinn. We stay in the 15th century St Olav's hotel and explore the architecture, food and drink on offer in this vibrant little town.
Looks really beautiful and also very interesting thank you x
Thank you
Ah ha im 50% Estonian, lovely seeing again through your eyes 😊
for all tourists museums are actually good and interesting
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The population of Estonia is currently 1.36 million and 23% are Russians. The population of Tallinn is 460 000 and 35% are Russians.
Thank you. this was information provided to me.
@@mstephens99 It seems you were provided inacurate information. And judging by that story about the ladies in wide skirts not able or willing to get past each other on narrow allyways you were spun quite a yarn. Let me take a wild guess here: was it one of those costumed tossers who take tourists for a proverbial ride in the Tallinn Old Town, literally inventing stuff to appear "entertaining"?
feels more like 50 % now do to war net is not free but public transport is
De-facto Russians are now majority in Tallinn
Yes, but Russians, who can speak english or estonian are pro-estonian. Only small number of only russian speaking russians are pro russians 😊.
But the percentage of Russians is not 44. Definitely not. 30% the most
Merely sharing information shared with me by guides! There are always multiple lenses on anything. Context : 2 retired ladies sharing their travel stories - not a doco maker!
@@mstephens99 Yea, whatever. But the percentage of Russians is definitely not 44%. And while you ladies have the right for mistakes, the guide really should not have given wrong information. Really quite definitely sure that the percentage of Russians is not 44. Not in Estonia, not even in Tallinn. In Tallinn it is higher of cource than in general in Estonia
Guides in Estonia are not that good. Just advice to anyone coming to Estonia: if you can, try to join excursions done by specialists (historians, art historians, whatever) Just guides, not a good idea. They know very little, just learned a few facts by heart before the group came. Our guides are really, really bad. Just so you know, those planning to come here. It would be a better idea to walk around independently, do your own homework and every house or place with any historic or architectural value in Tallinn has a nice information glass full of text on it. In Estonian and English. Or try to find sth done by an educated specialist. Doe snot matter what field in. The guide-information you can just google.
It is everyone's choice, I am just saying that guides here are not good. Guides whose speciality is being a guide.
Maybe it would be a better idea to not travel as MANY countries as fast as possible but travel peacefully, take your time and spend some time and give some real attention to the place so that when you leave, you would really know more in life. What is the point of travelling at all, if it will not make you more clever? And what is the point of travelling to those countries that you do not consider worthy? Just leave them out, do not clog and choke the streets of the place that you do not care for anyway? Cause tourists are a kind of a burden on a place anyway. Nobody anywhere really likes tourists very much. Except the ones who have enough respect to make some sort of an effort. Not just "casually consume it for a while"
The free internet as a human right is a myth. It is not in the constitution. We have good wifi connection, that is true. But the constitution deals with more poetic stuff that internet. Like the reason for declaring the Estonian Republic in the first place was the protection and maintaining of the Estonian language and culture. Stuff like that.
Merely sharing information shared with me by guides! There are always multiple lenses on anything. Context : 2 retired ladies sharing their travel stories - not a doco maker!
What the f..k is Tallin???? It is called Tallinn. It is important for various reasons. The Russians called us like that. It is completely incorrect because Tallinn means Danish town, and linn means town. Lin means nothing.
Why on earth are you going through Valga? There are direct buses from Riga to Tallinn, every hour at least. It did not look like you were going through Valga at all, so what were you talking about?
NO, Freedom did not come in 1991. It came in 1918. The glass monument is to that 1918 war of independence and the declaration of independence that came before the war. That declaration was forever and it was in 1918 not the 90-ies. 1918, Feb 24 is the birth of the Republic of Estonia, not any other date. in 1991 we just got rid of the error of Soviet occupation but we never stopped existing in the meantime. The Declaration of the Estonian republic took place in Pärnu, the city where you stopped on your trip from Riga. And you even passed the Endla Theatre with the bus. It was read from its balcony, on the evening before Feb 24, 1918.
The glass monument cist a lot more than 6 million. Plus the everyday cost of electricity as it is all lit in the dark. And we have a lot of darkness
@@HelenGolovina-y9h apologies that my poor pronunciation has offended you.
Re route - was that Google map’s representation of the route that you are referring to? We took a direct bus from Riga to Tallin!
The info I shared was what was shared to me by a guide.
BTW - Context - we are 2 retirees simply sharing our travels and not Documentary makers!!
Okay its not that serious, not everyone doing casual traveling needs to be an expert on Estonian history, or understand the exact pronunciation of every city in Eastern Europe with population less than in El Paso somewhere in Texas.
@@mstephens99 Tallinn. Seriously, if i go somewhere I will find out how it is both said and written. I do not care who you are. It is elementary decency to bother saying names correctly. You would not like it if someone would rape your own name, would you?
I have no problem with you personally. It is just that SO MANY people do it: they put stuff online about us and do not bother at all about the correctness of basic things. Name is one thing. And then there are some facts that can touch on something very sensitive. Therefore, people should either know what they talking about. Or not talk at all. IT IS ok to just be quiet, a saying we share with Finns. Once you do decide to speak, check your facts.
Google might not be the best place for fact-checking. If you actually CAME to Tallinn, you were actually here, you must have seen the name of the town a million times. Did you see it with one N anywhere in real life? The reason it matters is that the Soviets spelled it like that after the occupation. And the fact that information online is soooo outdated says a lot about the trustworthiness of Internet.
Linn means town in Estonian. The name Tallinn means Danish town. Tal would mean nothing. And this is the very reason the Soviets raped the named like this: to show us that we mean nothing. How long will it take to change? If it all comes down to size (it seems to be the only quality in imperialistic mindset, not saying that you have it) then, well, it will never change because we are not planning on occupying another country to become bigger. Our small size makes us great. It is the tinyness that has enabled a lot of things, like having an education system that ranks 6th in the world (what about El Paso with resect to that?). And many other thing. We exceed the US in the World Freedom Index, Mother-Baby index etc etc. Small countries can be great exactly BECAUSE they are small.
And if I came to El Paso I would say the name correctly.
Names matter.
And we are not particularly Eastern European. No more east than Finland. Just saying as it seems to be a vital criteria for you: if eastern European, not worth any attention.. But then why come here at all? What does "Eastern Europe" mean anyway? Is it a cultural reference? Well, there are about 20 very different countries there. A political reference? In what way? We did not choose to be occupied by Soviets any more than the Jews chose to be killed by Hitler. So what is it exactly that the Anglo-American mind bears in mind when talking about "Eastern Europe"? Cause to me, it means absolutely nothing, it is a very artificial concept. It would be like throwing the US and Mexico into one group because they are geographically next to each other. So, El Paso is too insignificant (in your own words) but Minneapolis is worthier of correct presentation? By the way, similar population size to Tallinn.
You do not need to know the history of anything if you do not want to be educated. That is not the point. The point is that it is ok to be quiet (in this case about how you know nothing). If you like to travel, it is something to keep in mind in my opinion because Europe (all of it) is a very different place from the US. The US is kind of the same culture, all of it. Of course, there are differences and every place has their own sole. But basically, you are one culture, one country, one soul...Right? In Europe, this is not the case. Europe is full of very touchy subjects and delicate issues that even those countries themselves do not dare to touch, and if they do, they do it with a lot of caution, as almost anything here offends someone. It could not be any other way. You sit a bus in one place, come out in an hour, and there is another language, another country, who have history with one another, mixed interests and contradicting views concerning who is entitled to what... All that. In Europe, it is very easy to say something insulting even if you do not mean to. And Americans kind of do not understand that. Canadians, for some reason, get it better for some reason. Maybe it because they themselves have more than one identity. Americans (I am assuming you are, otherwise why focus on El Paso because to Europeans it has no reference, we do not know anything about it) do not have the need to doublecheck idenity-based stuff that comes out of their mouths. In Europe, if you are not careful, stuff can happen to you, literally. Not in Estonia, probably, we are not very aggressive, physically. But say a stupid thing in Riga... well, better do not.
You have stories in your own literature that touch on the topic of names. How important it is to someone if the people around them have the decency to recognise the name they have chosen for themselves. As opposed to a name chosen by, say, a former owner. Or do I know your literature better than you know our basic history? But I said that just to be mean. My point is that also the Americans do understand the potential importance of the recognition of someone's name. Or does it only mean something when you have enough sizewise?
It is perfectly ok to not know how to say or write something. But then I just say it and ask for the correct way. Of course one cannot speak every language. But there is a difference between not knowing and just saying the wrong thing as if it does not matter anyway to even try.
Basically, let us relax. We are used to this kind of shit here. Was it George Bush (not sure) who said it Tallinn, in a public speech, how delighted he is to be in a lovely Riga. Or vice versa, but who cares, right... I have sentences (on Google) saying that Estonia is the capital of Riga.
There are channels on youtube (1420, Daniil Orain: but do not blame them, they are doing it to show Russian stupidity) who walk around Russia, usually Moscow and St Petersburg and ask regular Russians what they think about stuff. Also what they think about Americans. About half of those asked say that Americans are faggots and they need to be destroyed. It is a pity that Stalin died (recently, by the way....lol), he could have managed... And they have their arguments as to why that should be and everything. And who cares if they are correct, right? Cause, you know, Russia is bigger, sizewise, not populationwise). And who can get all their facts right, right? If you listened to very weird sh..t said about your country, would it be enough to say: Who cares, they do not have to have their facts right anyway? Or maybe you would feel the urge to correct some mistakes? All I did was ask you not to use the spelling for my hometown of a nation who calls your entire nation a bunch of faggots.
I love it that we have not too many people. It has made it possible to live without killing off the entire wildlife. And countries that use size as a criteria for anyone's right to exist usually do that because this is their entire success. They have a lot of people (contraception availability issues?) and a lot of land... and not much else. Not saying this about you but I have noticed that it is either Russians or Americans who love to point out size. You are very similar in this. And it sound really stupid.
Ok. Got so carried away. But I do when "Eastern Europe" becomes a place where correct facts do not matter in the eyes of the "better world". The Tallin thing in itself did not bother me, just pointed it out. But the comment that followed was something else
@@HelenGolovina-y9h are you replying to Rula (last comment ) or me (publisher)?
I have apologised to you. These are my travel videos - you are free to choose not to watch if they upset you and you find them too inaccurate - just like I don’t watch Sky News 👍🏼
@@Rula2020 Ok, this is my last answer on this topic.
Basically, you are barking at the wrong tree. I agree, you are completely right as far as we are talking about "casual travelling". You udo not have to know much about anything (although knowing sth about the place you are travelling in would just make it so much richer. It is like reading Shakespeare and knowing sthg about the historical context and what sth refers to or not knowing. Of course you can just read it and limit your experience). But when you are posting info or whatever about a place or a person or anything, thn YOU SHOULD CHECK YOUR INFORMATION. It does not matter, what place or what person that is. It is stupid in itself to RATE countries, cultures or living beings, calling some better and some worse, some more and some less worthy of knowing. If st puts up videos about El Paso, they should also check the info they are posting.
It is ridiculous the way internet has made people believe they can publish anything without any responsibility for the quality or the truth of facts. You publish sth, you ARE responsible for it. And you should also be ready that if you publish sth, they will be reactions and also critique. This is all a part of it and you are being a bit too sensitive. Not me, really.
"I can casually do and publish and say and share anything and have zero responsibility": It is a matter of opinion and we will never agree on it. I just do not agree that it is so, you think so. Fine. But the fact that you are are doing sth CASUALLY or that you are a pensioneer, does not protect you from reactions and critique. You seem to be only expecting positive feedback. If you are old, as you are saying, then you should already have the wisdom to know, that people will always have opinions about what they see see, hear, read etc. You can either take it as an opportunity to maybe become better at sth, to maybe see sth in a new light. Or you can choose to just start defending yourself. Your choice.
You want to casually travel. Fine. Just travel and maybe show your emotions, show the landscape, things like that. Leave out the loads of information if you do not know it anyway. They why put it out there, this is my question? You are the one who put up a video about Estonia and provided "information" about it. We did not ask you to.
Basically, I really do not care. What bothered me was your argument of "just casual travelling" while I am talking about sth different. The world is so full of everything, full of videos, info, texts.... Produce sth new only if it is worth it, really worth it. This does not concern Estonia only, it concerns everything really.
It always inspires me to argue when the opponent is being illogical in their argument. I do not really care at all how good your spelling is.
My advice: put your experience, your emotions out there. Keep the informations. It would be more worth posting. I am not your target group anyway, just saying.
I will answer no more on the topic.