Sorry but how are we blaming Werner for this?! Played well, put in 2 really good balls, played Dom through on goal... Literally made 2 mistakes the whole time. Got to stop using him as a scapegoat
the quality of werner tells you everything about Levy's real intentions - spurs cycle of failure will continue for another 20 years if this current paper thin pathetic squad is all the club can afford. bang average middle of the table team - no idea why spurs fans think they should be anywhere near the top 8 at the moment. ANge should leave for a proper club with a bit of bottle, with the heart for a long term build, spurs aren't it, instant noodle club and fan base want instant success without the hard work, patient incremental improvement and above all player investment. At its best Ange's teams are great, without a proper squad the current spurs is all you can expect. spurs = cash cow business for Levy, not a proper footy team. Ange would cook at a proper footy club. spurs is a basket case of a club, just ask Nuno or Conte or Poch or, ... well you get the drift.
Maddison is on the bench because he is the second best 10 we have. The best 10 happens to be our best player also. With the fact others can’t cover other positions means madders is a bench 10. If he could play left wing then he would start.
The football is unsustainable and a long term risk for players with injuries. I'm sorry but injuries aside, the performances and results have been diabolical. Time for Ange to go!
Undefendable that a class baller like V.DV. is having 60metre sprint races every 30 secs. You wouldnt see that if he played for liverpool ! And it wont change? Madness Barney, give it up.
Sinking like a stone folks - averaging just over a point a game going back to April. Carry on like this and we'll be in the bottom 4 come the end of the season. Something has to change!
change Levy that's your best bet - 20 years of failure and he still gets a free pass even tho the squad is pathetically thin no manager would get results with the current spurs setup - ask Nuno, Conte, Poch etc etc
By the way, you are 100% correct on the injuries happening due to Ange's training and manner of play, the exact same thing happened at Celtic, and he took no responsibility for that then. I really dislike the man.
Injuries are a result of the squad depth and other injuries. Stop blaming Ange for this. It makes no sense. Same thing happened to Newcastle last year. Did anyone call for Eddie Howes head over injuries.
Our decision making in our attack just hasnt been good enough. Nothing is free flowing, they're thinking too much all the time. Taking too much time on the ball. Or just making the wrong move. Sonny's pen was actually decent, it was more of a good save than a bad miss.
This experiment has failed and has to end, now. If we have all these injuries, then you have to change your style. He is either too stubborn or is unable to do it. Either way, he will be fired and rightly so!
Other clubs are struggling Man City, Villa + Man U. Westham Brighton have faded. Forest, Bournemouth Fulham have no European or Carabao cup football. Spurs still have 4 chances of making Europe so until all European hopes are exhausted which will be March at the earliest Ange is safe.
Levy won't go, not enough fans want him gone. Too many young Happy Clapping new fans haven't suffered for long enough and want the Go Karts and Pop Comcerts.
If we got relegated would the fans with no backbone all just F off and let the complete restructure of the club continue ? Ange doesn’t run gym sessions & fitness lessons it’s all part of what he will be trying to change in the background. Without the big reset we will never change.
When is it reasonable to think that we are edging towards real trouble? He is running our players into the ground. This shit is getting serious in my opinion. If this continues a relegation battle is a distinct possibility. And does anyone believe this squad has the minerals to get out of that situation?
@@yogibbear lol! Conte made us a Champions League team from 9th place in same season! Poch only barely had a season but got us to perennial Top 4 powerhouse! We used to have good managers! We have a shitt manager who owns a cult following at the moment
@@leondavies9735 lol! He got us 5th out of no where and almost got sacked the next season but turned us around within that season with a team he barely got any investment! lol! The context here is Ange got 393 million investment from Levy and churned out a much worse product than any manager at any time in our recent history
@ yes but but say by then end of Jan we went on a massive run and didn’t lose wouldn’t that turn us around that season? Especially if we went further in Europe and league cup. He’s currently able to match what poch did if we can get the players back. I’d accept a few managers in like JN to come in and replace him but that manager would still be loosing games with such a battered team. The. What’s next ? New manager says ah I’m gunna need to get my the players I want and then we do another full circle… and then if that doesn’t work out do we do that again? I’m not saying he’s doing a great job by a long stretch but there’s no point sacking him right now unless a really good manager that wants to build a team comes in.
Just had a look at the Physioroom injuries site for 2025/5 season. It's not bang up to date (omits Udogie), but does include the latest injury to Ben Davies. According to them we have had two hamstring injuries since the summer (+ Udogies'). This is by no means the highest by club: Aston Villa 6, Brighton 3, Chelsea 5, Crystal Palace 4, Ipswich 6 and Newcastle 3 hamstring injuries so far. Other clubs have one or two, I think the only clubs which havn't are Arsental, Bournemouth and Notts Forest. So we are average on the hamstring front based on their data...
What does Barmy Barneby have to say when you drop facts like these instead of negative speculation based on a tired narrative about training too hard? Nada!
65 mill for Solanke was a brave mad move. Mental. Worth 30m max. Could have had Toney for 25m. 60m for Richarlison. Worth 25m max. Atm he is worth 10m. Sick note!!! Lots of bad buys. A few decent. Undogie the best value buy. Don't give Ange more money to piss away
Injuries are not an excuse, 375 million spent 13-14 signings.training and tactics have caused the 1.26 points per game.TEN GAMES won the league in October, dogshit ever since! averaged 1.36 points for the past 47 games with Newcastle and Arsenal next!
Hahaha.. football players shouldn't run? Ok, how about just a jog. We pay them top money to run 9 + kms a game. That's the minimum. You can't do it,get a taxi driver job
Levy is on the phone to Edin terzic as we speak. Would be a great fit, works well with and develops young players. Got Dortmund to CL final. Get us to Europa final and a possible CL qualification.
Barney, I think you are over reacting. Watched the game, I saw spurs players trying and not being witches hats. Remembering they played just 3 days ago. They aren’t going to have the energy the whole game. I think it’s the wrong decision to sack ange but what will be will be. I suspect if he does go another premier league club will pounce.
Agreed. I felt they did not do too much wrong.. they fought but our defence is still inviting the press and Forster plays like he can afdord to be shit.. new signings in January. Ange in. Levy out. ENIC OUT. Lewis? F off
The Tottenham board remain fully behind Ange Postecoglou despite the club being in the bottom half of the table at Christmas. Multiple reports over the last week from various journalists have stated the board understand this is half way through a large re build and with the squad remaining fully committed and behind the manager they plan to continue the work to in January and the summer to improve. Senior players have also been quick to go public with their praise for the manager from Cuti Romero stating he feels the board have let him down to Kulusevski and Son publicly stating they believe in the direction of the team. The loss to Liverpool highlighted the injury crisis and lack of squad depth which Ange himself has stressed in various press conferences is the worst he has experienced in his managerial career.
The Peter Principle (Laurence J Peter) applies to Ange. It states that an employee is promoted up to a level at which his maximum ability is insufficient to meet the requirements of his job. Ange may have reached that level. He was successful in lesser leagues and the Premier League is arguably the most demanding and competitive in the world. Indeed, even if Levy gave him even better players, it may not be enough to help him to turn Spurs into regular champions.
i agree with most things you say, but this is out of Ange's hands!! very disrupted squad with injuries and fatigue !! ( plus the short time turn around ) The games we won this year we looked great & much better than last year
Daniel Levy will need to make a decision very soon. Let's hope the Odious little man does not make yet another monumental mistake tainting this once great club.
We parked the bus in the second half and still conceded. I think it’s just a narrative that’s taken hold of the noisy minority. The squad is just not up to it just yet. In fact, it hasn’t been since Ange got here. At its best at full strength angeball makes us top 4. Let’s not forget this is a massive rebuild. It’s not there yet.
So on one hand your saying its fatigue, then its not playing for the manager?!? Could the muscle injuries be as we cant rotate players enough for this system?
Pedro Porro is the next to be injured. The high line we always play means that our defenders have a lot of room to sprint when making those recovery runs hence hamstrings to our defenders.If an 18 yr old Gray is not given a rest he will soon have a muscle problem. Most of our injuries are Ange's fault. Also,the manner at which Ange rushed VDV back also says a lot about Ange#Angeout
Anges system only works with big spending and a big squad which we have neither of...I love the geezer but he is running the players in to the ground and is too stubborn and reluctant to change thst the only answer is prob to call it a day before we get to the point we can't field a full 11...unfortunately I think he will have to go pretty soon
I like Ange and when his football works we play some of the most beautiful football I've seen, certainly in the Premiership. However there are some glaring issues that he is either too stubborn or stupid to fix. One is set pieces, under Conte we had a quality set piece coach who trained us to defend and score from them. Considering how we have let in so many due to set pieces and on the other side we are never threatening, it's baffling how he hasn't fixed that. Then we have taking so long to play Spence, he would have been so useful at the start of the season and maybe players wouldn't of got injured! Then we have the style of play, sure embedding a style is very important but that doesn't mean when you are winning you can't go defensive for the last 15! All the smaller sensible managers do it, Nuno did it against us! All those managers like him, Arteta, Howe and more will get their players to waste time when winning at the end of a match. I don't like this tactic but for now there is no downside to it and with so much at stake in terms of money (that could be funneled into better players) these things have to be taken advantage of. It looks to me that Ange has been successful everywhere he went and was always told he couldn't, being Greek and an Aussie will make him stubborn by nature and since it's always worked out for him in the past he thinks it will now. I don't even know if he knows how to do anything else and it's sad because with some little tweaks (and not having the injuries) we could be challenging for the top spots as we can really beat anyone on our day and our football is incredible. However when everyone can see the problems and he doesn't try and fix them it makes me lose compassion for his plight. I feel like we should at least give him to the end of the season and some way into the next, we are where we are right now and nothing will change that. I would hope he starts to adapt, however if he doesn't (like for example bringing in a set piece coach) then I would say he should be gotten rid of a lot quicker. The set piece thing really confuses and upsets me, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. Fair play if we did well with them but we don't, they are a huge hole and we have lost because of them many times. What reason could he give for not fixing that hole? It's decisions like that which make me think his arrogance and stubbornness is unfixable.
That Levi (come Drago) stare at the end, though. Writing, wall. Bang average, that's what we are. Dragusin, Bentley mk11 (Maddison), a near mummified Son, Mat and luke Dross. We do this to ourselves. Blame does so little. COYS
Why are we the fan base putting the sacking out there? We make our own beds, it’s complete long term project to win and buy young, that means we will struggle for a period. I would rather that than rudderless change for no better solution. Literally taking 20 years of anger out on Ange. Is it no wonder we tire and give a goal away everyone is exhausted. It is no wonder Son is not playing well, he should be rested and protected a bit at his age. What people are saying about Son is just a disgrace. Having to play every 3 days. We don’t have world class in our team anymore. Levy will never buy it, he hopes to develop it and win that way. It’s long term as much as I hate that we can’t just buy it that’s the reality
lol! Did Poch make any excuses when Harry Kane got injured for half the season when he put Sonny center and we made a run to the Champions League final? No! A good coach just found ways to win! An Australian coach will make excuses
20 years of failure at spurs under Levy but sack yet another manager not even half way thru a rebuild - spurs instant noodle toxic fans are pathetic, the cycle of failure at spurs is inevitable
@ lol! How was we a failure? We were an underdog team the entire of our history, then we had Poch who led us to a perennial top 4 and Champion League final team! We were a fairy tale in the Prem, we became a powerhouse team recently until Ange came and his failures made us look like a midget team again!!!
@@theknownguy2221 spurs fans are at the heart of the club they reflect its culture - thats why spurs will always fail - its fan base is pathetically toxic with inflated expectations and no courage for the work that goes into long term success. Thats why Levy sacked Poch - he's not bothered about the football. 20 years of Levy failure and fans still think its a footy team and not just a cash cow business for Levy; spurs fans are hilarious.
I really don't think Ange is on the brink. I don't think he is under that much pressure tbh. Yes we are in a poor run of form but it's obvious it's due to injuries. That's not an excuse. It's the truth. We have to give him more time to get better players in. The board has to be willing to back Ange in the window. You will see us be mu h more solid once Vdv and Romero are back in the side. They are so pivotal to the way we play
@wutupup5852 But people don't realize that a change of tactics will not fix anything. These players are exhausted. You can change the tactics all you want the amount of games that we have they are still going to be exhausted. Any manager that comes in is going to have the same problems. An I jury ridden squad and a group of players who are exhausted
Mate even if Spurs had won it was paper over cracks !! In my humble opinion let Ange get on with it, people tell me the last time we've played 5 games straight with our best 11, with a decent subs bench. He's trying to change the whole squad, so if you still got to bring on werner,regullion, u know we got problems...COYS!!
Ange ball not working for a mid table quality of players and if the reserves are below the quality of the starting 11, your in trouble. The system is not working. To many injuries. Not only Udogie but Dragusin and at one stage Reguilon looked uncomfortable after the challenge, Forster on the ground etc . Back line of Porro, Gray, Bissouma, Bentancur and maybe Sonny will go into goal.
sadly footy is just a necessary side show to his real game of increasing his cash cow business empire - no manager is likely to succeed under Levy - Shankly, Fergie, Klopp and Pep would all fail at spurs - tho to be fair they'd probably be smart enough not to go there in the first place. Poor Ange picked the wrong EPL club, spurs has no fight or real ambition to be a to be a top 6 club; its current squad is mid table quality at best.
The thing is, with the Ange in lot. Is this. They ask why everyone's not Levy out, instead. Here's the reason... Levy picked Ange. So by supporting Ange, you're actually supporting Levy. Ange is a Levy yes man. Levy could have hired Naglesmaan, or Tuchel or even Poch back. But, he went for the gamble, the completely inexperienced manager, who would be the first Australian to manage in the PL. Fans need ro pressure Levy into sacking Ange, and getting a manager of quality. One that will stand up to him.
With respect, you are not thinking straight my friend. Levy is on rinse and repeat. He is not changing. We want Ange to stay and Levy out because at least Ange is setting in motion a philosophy and that is something Levy has failed to produce in 20+ years and 18 managers.. LEVY IS THE PROBLEM
I don't think Ange will bring success to Spurs, he might win a cup, but so did Juande Ramos, remember him. Gerrard won the Scottish League, Brendan Rodgers does it regularly. I don't think Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea would've ever hired Ange before he came to Tottenham. He's a risk, likely cheap, and that's what Levy gives Tottenham. Unproven, risky and cheap. We need to remove Levy and ENIC. Nothing will change until that happens.
Ange has no idea how to see a game out.. The team were knanckerd on 80mins and Ange still got them playing rush football. We just had to keep the ball, slow the game out and take the win.
I can only imagine that levy hasnt got anyone lined up/ someones rejected us as to why ange is still there. Yes we injuries but a decent manager adapts with what he's got. I predict 4-2 loss against Newcastle and 5-2 against Liverpool.
Ange is too stubborn to change, and Levy is too proud to ask Poch to return. Poch may yet return to the club he loves. How and when one can only speculate and hope.
As much as Ange is tactically getting nowhere, i fear for the club again if he goes because once again the focus will be moved away from Levy, Lewis and ENIC. But hey, unless you are a braindead fan, and there are many, we knew when Ange signed that he would be likely to just turn out to be the next scapegoat.
Even without the training the players are playing twice a week with very little relief.. the squad is to small and has been found out since the 10th game last season
It's sad that teams like Nottingham Forest are flying and looks like they may just qualify for top 4,Champions league ahead of Spurs, and to cap it off,Nuno,is the manager who got fired at Spurs! Yes Son didn't hv a good game but I for one cannot vilify him for missing a penalty, it happens,Platini, Roberto di Baggio, the great flying doctor, Socrates also missed from the spot. Pity Son missed but it happens in a game of football, the only problem is that it could've been the winner! James Maddison shd've been played from the start,coz he seems to be the only one who can create. On hamstrings, when Ange was at Celtics, players had the same problem so I don't know if it was also to do with Angie's training methods,I don't know!
Son doesn’t want to get injured. I see him pulling back to avoid any serious injuries because he knows how stupid Ange is. Also, he doesn’t want an extension from Levy. Son wants to leave. I bet he is talking to Kane every night.
Angie won’t change his style of player and fed up of saying it he’s killing the players I’ve got to go. PS, we need to buy experience players not boys.🏴
I used to be Ange in...But now i`m Ange OUT without a doubt,The football is poor and it`s the same old excuses every time we get duffed up which these day`s is every game,Ok so we got a draw at home today..Wow! not impressed....This can`t be allowed to go on,with this football we will not advance in any cup tie`s it really is all doom and gloom,the player`s are not with Ange and he know`s it you can see it in his face on the side lines and after match interview`s,So bye bye Ange and sooner the better i say because it`s agony to watch week after week
Soldier on as is this season and see where we end up. The negativity from fans is infectious and will affect the team. If we end up in a relegation scrap then fans should put pressure on Levy to leave. But.. Levy likely to make first move and save his own skin.
need more than that. A rightback (Porro is a pissed poor defender who can't defend), a creative midfielder (Maddison is not consistent enough), a CDM to control the tempo of the game.
Half way through the season and already close to being lapped by the front runners. Crisis Jan window to save this season , or already another write off and repeat the Levy time manager search ?
We lost a load of games with full strength teams. Like against Ipswich at home etc etc etc. Its not the players or the injuries. Its AngeBULL. Can never work.
@@michaelgeorge2630 there speaks a typically lily livered not up for the fight toxic spurs fan whose attitude typifies why it is on a run of 20 years failure under Levy - a new manager every year or two, cycle of failure, rinse and repeat, what a poisonous fan base spurs has, no manager succeeds there, spurs is a good business for Levy but a basketcase of a footy club.
Sonny was piss poor, always looked he was going to miss. No ideas out there on the pitch. Sherwood saying the training is wrong. He had his chance, he did nothing
@@HDsharpa penalty can't be saved if well placed. The taker needs to see in the run up which way the keeper is leaning and go the opposite. Hsd he scored and we were two up at half time we would have won. You can't blame the manager when we miss a penalty. What do you say,Sonny is ratshit, misses a penalty and sack the manager? Are we this fickle? Too many games ,too many injuries, small squad. He is building for the future which he'll never see as he'll be gone. The Premier League, cups , Europe are the deathbed of managers. Plus international duties. Also the killer of player's enthusiasm. I don't think Ange lost the players. The players are playing to their limits . I think Sonny lost his mojo because he knows he can't win anything with this bunch of players. Sad end for him .
@consulthai Don't be silly, if the keeper guessed the right way, they can save it even if it's a decent pen. I said it wasn't a bad pen, just a decent pen. But a better save. You can clearly see the ball was caught right in the corner. It was struck with decent strength too. So it was more of a great save than a bad pen.
@HDsharp you're right, it's a guess work for the keeper, the taker should vlbe in control ,if he isn't ,makes a mistake the goalie can save it,ask Palmer
Seen it so many times at Spurs now. New manager comes in. Team play well. Team stop playing. Manager sacked. Done it to Poch. Jose. Conte. Nuno. Now Ange. Who is controlling that team. Board or Players. Or is there a outside influence controlling the ream. Born supporting Spurs. Like all the family. But this is a disgrace.
Tottenham are in a bad spot. The system works, but no system will work with this amount of injuries. Just like last season. You sack him, it's a stupid decision.
Ange runs his players to death so many injuries dueto his training playing methods
They can’t press because he’s run them into the ground. Outside the performance level we expect an injury a game now
Sorry but how are we blaming Werner for this?! Played well, put in 2 really good balls, played Dom through on goal... Literally made 2 mistakes the whole time. Got to stop using him as a scapegoat
Get real he is pony
Great observation
He is absolutely awful!!!
Who blamed Werner?
the quality of werner tells you everything about Levy's real intentions - spurs cycle of failure will continue for another 20 years if this current paper thin pathetic squad is all the club can afford. bang average middle of the table team - no idea why spurs fans think they should be anywhere near the top 8 at the moment. ANge should leave for a proper club with a bit of bottle, with the heart for a long term build, spurs aren't it, instant noodle club and fan base want instant success without the hard work, patient incremental improvement and above all player investment. At its best Ange's teams are great, without a proper squad the current spurs is all you can expect. spurs = cash cow business for Levy, not a proper footy team. Ange would cook at a proper footy club. spurs is a basket case of a club, just ask Nuno or Conte or Poch or, ... well you get the drift.
ANOTHER hamstring injury. This Angeball is dangerous!!!
Another sickbay ranger, players are feigning injury, haven't seen one actually injured due to a tackle this season.
It's brain dead
@@paulrounding5260 So injuries only caused by tackles?
Lol, poor athletes being made to run and earn their ridiculous wages.
By keeping Maddison on the bench is putting Ange's ego before the club.
Maddison is on the bench because he is the second best 10 we have. The best 10 happens to be our best player also. With the fact others can’t cover other positions means madders is a bench 10. If he could play left wing then he would start.
@@Charlie_E_I would give Madders a go on the left in games where we face a low block
The football is unsustainable and a long term risk for players with injuries. I'm sorry but injuries aside, the performances and results have been diabolical. Time for Ange to go!
I don't think he ever had this problem with any of his previous teams......
@@FIGJAM8641Ange has never managed a Premiership team before, only farmers league teams.
He's a pub team manager.
Undefendable that a class baller like V.DV. is having 60metre sprint races every 30 secs. You wouldnt see that if he played for liverpool ! And it wont change? Madness Barney, give it up.
You cannot tell Ange he knows it all.
It’s like a game you would expect at the end of the season
Sinking like a stone folks - averaging just over a point a game going back to April. Carry on like this and we'll be in the bottom 4 come the end of the season. Something has to change!
change Levy that's your best bet - 20 years of failure and he still gets a free pass even tho the squad is pathetically thin no manager would get results with the current spurs setup - ask Nuno, Conte, Poch etc etc
Ange depleted the entire team’s energy and made the standings now. A stubborn coach of one tactic
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change the record
The manager doesn't injure players, just ridiculous. This happens to teams randomly.
Ange is not a coach, he is a philosoper.
And... you're jet at English.
Ha!!! Ange is a total fake 😅
I’d prefer Plato
By the way, you are 100% correct on the injuries happening due to Ange's training and manner of play, the exact same thing happened at Celtic, and he took no responsibility for that then. I really dislike the man.
Ange never had this many injuries in managing for 26 years.
won ya 5 trophies you knobhead, im sure he's devastated that you dont like him
Injuries are a result of the squad depth and other injuries. Stop blaming Ange for this. It makes no sense. Same thing happened to Newcastle last year. Did anyone call for Eddie Howes head over injuries.
You really do have a major problem in your head.
spurs toxic fans would have and Levy would have obliged and the cycle of 20 years failure would continue
Our decision making in our attack just hasnt been good enough. Nothing is free flowing, they're thinking too much all the time. Taking too much time on the ball. Or just making the wrong move.
Sonny's pen was actually decent, it was more of a good save than a bad miss.
This experiment has failed and has to end, now. If we have all these injuries, then you have to change your style. He is either too stubborn or is unable to do it. Either way, he will be fired and rightly so!
spurs instant noodle fans are addicted to failure - 20 years and counting...
Blaming Son is like the stupidest thing to do in current situations.
Other clubs are struggling Man City, Villa + Man U. Westham Brighton have faded. Forest, Bournemouth Fulham have no European or Carabao cup football. Spurs still have 4 chances of making Europe so until all European hopes are exhausted which will be March at the earliest Ange is safe.
hang on, you're talking footy sense - get off this site right now :)
Bold to say he's safe!
He won't get the tools until Levy is gone,just like no other manager has had the tools to succeed
Levy won't go, not enough fans want him gone. Too many young Happy Clapping new fans haven't suffered for long enough and want the Go Karts and Pop Comcerts.
If we got relegated would the fans with no backbone all just F off and let the complete restructure of the club continue ?
Ange doesn’t run gym sessions & fitness lessons it’s all part of what he will be trying to change in the background. Without the big reset we will never change.
It might get rid of Levy
20 years plus of resets under Enic
@ flip flopping due to fan pressure, him up top would do well to get some backbone .
Ange has never experienced this many injuries before in 26 years of managing. Sometimes, shit happens.
TOTAL RUBBISH! = Check the Scottish Press when he was up there. Celtic had loads of hamstring injuries with his crap tactics.
When is it reasonable to think that we are edging towards real trouble?
He is running our players into the ground.
This shit is getting serious in my opinion.
If this continues a relegation battle is a distinct possibility.
And does anyone believe this squad has the minerals to get out of that situation?
We’ve outplayed Newcastle, Aston Villa, Arsenal, Man Utd twice, Man City twice so the answer must be yes.
@@bottleneck4593 so glad Spurs is sitting where they are sitting on the table then?
Yeah they were crap. You can't turn a team around in a season and a half. The fans calling for Ange to go are all stupid.
@@yogibbear lol! Conte made us a Champions League team from 9th place in same season! Poch only barely had a season but got us to perennial Top 4 powerhouse! We used to have good managers! We have a shitt manager who owns a cult following at the moment
@@theknownguy2221no he didn’t we came 5th and then he almost got sacked the season after 😂
Open your eyes mate, the tactics don't work!
@@leondavies9735 lol! He got us 5th out of no where and almost got sacked the next season but turned us around within that season with a team he barely got any investment! lol! The context here is Ange got 393 million investment from Levy and churned out a much worse product than any manager at any time in our recent history
@ yes but but say by then end of Jan we went on a massive run and didn’t lose wouldn’t that turn us around that season? Especially if we went further in Europe and league cup. He’s currently able to match what poch did if we can get the players back. I’d accept a few managers in like JN to come in and replace him but that manager would still be loosing games with such a battered team. The. What’s next ? New manager says ah I’m gunna need to get my the players I want and then we do another full circle… and then if that doesn’t work out do we do that again? I’m not saying he’s doing a great job by a long stretch but there’s no point sacking him right now unless a really good manager that wants to build a team comes in.
Those of you who are ange in, you absolutely deserve levy
Totally agree with you on hamstrings , had the same problem at Celtic.
Ange out. Still shaking his head on the sidelines, like it's not his fault. Ignorant man.
Just had a look at the Physioroom injuries site for 2025/5 season. It's not bang up to date (omits Udogie), but does include the latest injury to Ben Davies. According to them we have had two hamstring injuries since the summer (+ Udogies'). This is by no means the highest by club: Aston Villa 6, Brighton 3, Chelsea 5, Crystal Palace 4, Ipswich 6 and Newcastle 3 hamstring injuries so far. Other clubs have one or two, I think the only clubs which havn't are Arsental, Bournemouth and Notts Forest. So we are average on the hamstring front based on their data...
Saka has literally just had surgery on a torn hamstring. Arsenal have had more injuries than spurs.
What does Barmy Barneby have to say when you drop facts like these instead of negative speculation based on a tired narrative about training too hard? Nada!
@@daverobertson623 they have a much better squad and are 3 years further into a rebuild too
65 mill for Solanke was a brave mad move. Mental. Worth 30m max. Could have had Toney for 25m. 60m for Richarlison. Worth 25m max. Atm he is worth 10m. Sick note!!! Lots of bad buys. A few decent.
Undogie the best value buy. Don't give Ange more money to piss away
Injuries are not an excuse, 375 million spent 13-14 signings.training and tactics have caused the 1.26 points per game.TEN GAMES won the league in October, dogshit ever since! averaged 1.36 points for the past 47 games with Newcastle and Arsenal next!
They are getting hamstring injuries because they are running. Never had to run under the last two managers.
Hahaha.. football players shouldn't run? Ok, how about just a jog.
We pay them top money to run 9 + kms a game.
That's the minimum.
You can't do it,get a taxi driver job
Levy is on the phone to Edin terzic as we speak. Would be a great fit, works well with and develops young players. Got Dortmund to CL final. Get us to Europa final and a possible CL qualification.
ha ha having a laugh surely.
Barney, I think you are over reacting. Watched the game, I saw spurs players trying and not being witches hats. Remembering they played just 3 days ago. They aren’t going to have the energy the whole game. I think it’s the wrong decision to sack ange but what will be will be. I suspect if he does go another premier league club will pounce.
Agreed. I felt they did not do too much wrong.. they fought but our defence is still inviting the press and Forster plays like he can afdord to be shit.. new signings in January. Ange in. Levy out. ENIC OUT. Lewis? F off
Here we go again
The Tottenham board remain fully behind Ange Postecoglou despite the club being in the bottom half of the table at Christmas.
Multiple reports over the last week from various journalists have stated the board understand this is half way through a large re build and with the squad remaining fully committed and behind the manager they plan to continue the work to in January and the summer to improve.
Senior players have also been quick to go public with their praise for the manager from Cuti Romero stating he feels the board have let him down to Kulusevski and Son publicly stating they believe in the direction of the team.
The loss to Liverpool highlighted the injury crisis and lack of squad depth which Ange himself has stressed in various press conferences is the worst he has experienced in his managerial career.
The Wolves players are definitely playing for their Manager, 2 wins and a draw in the first week or so of his tenure.
The Peter Principle (Laurence J Peter) applies to Ange. It states that an employee is promoted up to a level at which his maximum ability is insufficient to meet the requirements of his job. Ange may have reached that level. He was successful in lesser leagues and the Premier League is arguably the most demanding and competitive in the world. Indeed, even if Levy gave him even better players, it may not be enough to help him to turn Spurs into regular champions.
i agree with most things you say, but this is out of Ange's hands!! very disrupted squad with injuries and fatigue !! ( plus the short time turn around ) The games we won this year we looked great & much better than last year
Daniel Levy will need to make a decision very soon. Let's hope the Odious little man does not make yet another monumental mistake tainting this once great club.
he will, 20 years of consistently doing so, what makes you think now is any different. no manage succeeds at spurs
We parked the bus in the second half and still conceded. I think it’s just a narrative that’s taken hold of the noisy minority. The squad is just not up to it just yet. In fact, it hasn’t been since Ange got here. At its best at full strength angeball makes us top 4. Let’s not forget this is a massive rebuild. It’s not there yet.
Supporting Spurs is long long marriage no prenup,divorce, we can vent our frustration but all we can do is support ....COYS!!
Would all be forgiven if you win the cup?
win a what?
Not even you can defend this, it’s dreadful and Son is here to sell shirts, Ange is useless and he has to go
Son stays irrespective of form as profit Is more important than football success
Is the season over yet ?
Bloke has no players and we're honestly having this conversation? Tottenham is a joke. You'll get a new manager and get the same or worse result.
20 years of such failure under Levy says you're spot on the money
So on one hand your saying its fatigue, then its not playing for the manager?!?
Could the muscle injuries be as we cant rotate players enough for this system?
Pedro Porro is the next to be injured. The high line we always play means that our defenders have a lot of room to sprint when making those recovery runs hence hamstrings to our defenders.If an 18 yr old Gray is not given a rest he will soon have a muscle problem. Most of our injuries are Ange's fault. Also,the manner at which Ange rushed VDV back also says a lot about Ange#Angeout
No difference. Porro doesn't defend.
No wonder that so many players are injured. This kind of gameplay is Harakiri Style ! Ange need 11 Ursan Bolts !
Anges system only works with big spending and a big squad which we have neither of...I love the geezer but he is running the players in to the ground and is too stubborn and reluctant to change thst the only answer is prob to call it a day before we get to the point we can't field a full 11...unfortunately I think he will have to go pretty soon
I like Ange and when his football works we play some of the most beautiful football I've seen, certainly in the Premiership.
However there are some glaring issues that he is either too stubborn or stupid to fix. One is set pieces, under Conte we had a quality set piece coach who trained us to defend and score from them. Considering how we have let in so many due to set pieces and on the other side we are never threatening, it's baffling how he hasn't fixed that.
Then we have taking so long to play Spence, he would have been so useful at the start of the season and maybe players wouldn't of got injured!
Then we have the style of play, sure embedding a style is very important but that doesn't mean when you are winning you can't go defensive for the last 15! All the smaller sensible managers do it, Nuno did it against us! All those managers like him, Arteta, Howe and more will get their players to waste time when winning at the end of a match. I don't like this tactic but for now there is no downside to it and with so much at stake in terms of money (that could be funneled into better players) these things have to be taken advantage of.
It looks to me that Ange has been successful everywhere he went and was always told he couldn't, being Greek and an Aussie will make him stubborn by nature and since it's always worked out for him in the past he thinks it will now.
I don't even know if he knows how to do anything else and it's sad because with some little tweaks (and not having the injuries) we could be challenging for the top spots as we can really beat anyone on our day and our football is incredible.
However when everyone can see the problems and he doesn't try and fix them it makes me lose compassion for his plight.
I feel like we should at least give him to the end of the season and some way into the next, we are where we are right now and nothing will change that. I would hope he starts to adapt, however if he doesn't (like for example bringing in a set piece coach) then I would say he should be gotten rid of a lot quicker.
The set piece thing really confuses and upsets me, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. Fair play if we did well with them but we don't, they are a huge hole and we have lost because of them many times. What reason could he give for not fixing that hole? It's decisions like that which make me think his arrogance and stubbornness is unfixable.
Ange is killing the players' energy and hamstrings.
If you check his past at Celtic,
he did the same to them.
Check the Scottish Press!
That Levi (come Drago) stare at the end, though. Writing, wall. Bang average, that's what we are. Dragusin, Bentley mk11 (Maddison), a near mummified Son, Mat and luke Dross. We do this to ourselves. Blame does so little. COYS
Anyone know why Barnaby isn’t on wearetottenhamtv anymore?
Why are we the fan base putting the sacking out there? We make our own beds, it’s complete long term project to win and buy young, that means we will struggle for a period. I would rather that than rudderless change for no better solution. Literally taking 20 years of anger out on Ange.
Is it no wonder we tire and give a goal away everyone is exhausted. It is no wonder Son is not playing well, he should be rested and protected a bit at his age.
What people are saying about Son is just a disgrace. Having to play every 3 days.
We don’t have world class in our team anymore. Levy will never buy it, he hopes to develop it and win that way. It’s long term as much as I hate that we can’t just buy it that’s the reality
lol! Did Poch make any excuses when Harry Kane got injured for half the season when he put Sonny center and we made a run to the Champions League final? No! A good coach just found ways to win! An Australian coach will make excuses
20 years of failure at spurs under Levy but sack yet another manager not even half way thru a rebuild - spurs instant noodle toxic fans are pathetic, the cycle of failure at spurs is inevitable
@ lol! How was we a failure? We were an underdog team the entire of our history, then we had Poch who led us to a perennial top 4 and Champion League final team! We were a fairy tale in the Prem, we became a powerhouse team recently until Ange came and his failures made us look like a midget team again!!!
@@theknownguy2221 spurs fans are at the heart of the club they reflect its culture - thats why spurs will always fail - its fan base is pathetically toxic with inflated expectations and no courage for the work that goes into long term success. Thats why Levy sacked Poch - he's not bothered about the football. 20 years of Levy failure and fans still think its a footy team and not just a cash cow business for Levy; spurs fans are hilarious.
I really don't think Ange is on the brink. I don't think he is under that much pressure tbh. Yes we are in a poor run of form but it's obvious it's due to injuries. That's not an excuse. It's the truth. We have to give him more time to get better players in. The board has to be willing to back Ange in the window. You will see us be mu h more solid once Vdv and Romero are back in the side. They are so pivotal to the way we play
It's his tactic we're blaming, not his personality. I really think Ange-in guys are total idiots.
@wutupup5852 But people don't realize that a change of tactics will not fix anything. These players are exhausted. You can change the tactics all you want the amount of games that we have they are still going to be exhausted. Any manager that comes in is going to have the same problems. An I jury ridden squad and a group of players who are exhausted
the naive high line by Ange has given Mikey Moore a hamstring virus!
And Romero a high ankle hamstring strain.
Mate even if Spurs had won it was paper over cracks !! In my humble opinion let Ange get on with it, people tell me the last time we've played 5 games straight with our best 11, with a decent subs bench. He's trying to change the whole squad, so if you still got to bring on werner,regullion, u know we got problems...COYS!!
crazy not seen u since SpurredON! Great to see u again, even in shit circusmtance
Relegation bells should start ringing
Ange ball not working for a mid table quality of players and if the reserves are below the quality of the starting 11, your in trouble. The system is not working. To many injuries. Not only Udogie but Dragusin and at one stage Reguilon looked uncomfortable after the challenge, Forster on the ground etc . Back line of Porro, Gray, Bissouma, Bentancur and maybe Sonny will go into goal.
Agree regarding injuries. Same situation around this time last season. Just coincidence?
We should fine Bentacaur for getting booked unnecessarily, if he cant control himself he does us damage
When the O2, Brixton academy and Wembley arena are the clubs biggest rivals you know when it comes to football the game is up .
sadly footy is just a necessary side show to his real game of increasing his cash cow business empire - no manager is likely to succeed under Levy - Shankly, Fergie, Klopp and Pep would all fail at spurs - tho to be fair they'd probably be smart enough not to go there in the first place. Poor Ange picked the wrong EPL club, spurs has no fight or real ambition to be a to be a top 6 club; its current squad is mid table quality at best.
The thing is, with the Ange in lot. Is this. They ask why everyone's not Levy out, instead. Here's the reason... Levy picked Ange. So by supporting Ange, you're actually supporting Levy. Ange is a Levy yes man. Levy could have hired Naglesmaan, or Tuchel or even Poch back. But, he went for the gamble, the completely inexperienced manager, who would be the first Australian to manage in the PL. Fans need ro pressure Levy into sacking Ange, and getting a manager of quality. One that will stand up to him.
How many managers do we need to know where the real problem is ?
The managers you mentioned all turned us down.
Why would he hire someone that will stand up to him?
With respect, you are not thinking straight my friend. Levy is on rinse and repeat. He is not changing. We want Ange to stay and Levy out because at least Ange is setting in motion a philosophy and that is something Levy has failed to produce in 20+ years and 18 managers.. LEVY IS THE PROBLEM
@@jacklegros6614 about 30
I don't think Ange will bring success to Spurs, he might win a cup, but so did Juande Ramos, remember him. Gerrard won the Scottish League, Brendan Rodgers does it regularly. I don't think Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea would've ever hired Ange before he came to Tottenham. He's a risk, likely cheap, and that's what Levy gives Tottenham. Unproven, risky and cheap.
We need to remove Levy and ENIC. Nothing will change until that happens.
Which manager will bring success under Levy .No one. Proven !!
We sold all our best players after the cup win. Keane and bernatov then sacked ramos. Ramos wasn’t at fault
Ange has no idea how to see a game out..
The team were knanckerd on 80mins and Ange still got them playing rush football.
We just had to keep the ball, slow the game out and take the win.
I can only imagine that levy hasnt got anyone lined up/ someones rejected us as to why ange is still there.
Yes we injuries but a decent manager adapts with what he's got. I predict 4-2 loss against Newcastle and 5-2 against Liverpool.
'Play the system''....but 'the system' is the problem. It doesn't work, and Ange has said he will not change it.
Ange style is lovely when it works , but the injuries keep happening and I'm concerned about the wellbeing of the players
Ange is too stubborn to change, and Levy is too proud to ask Poch to return. Poch may yet return to the club he loves. How and when one can only speculate and hope.
As much as Ange is tactically getting nowhere, i fear for the club again if he goes because once again the focus will be moved away from Levy, Lewis and ENIC. But hey, unless you are a braindead fan, and there are many, we knew when Ange signed that he would be likely to just turn out to be the next scapegoat.
Sonny plays best when Maddison is on with him. the players are not to blame . they have been flogged to death.
He plays best more centrally, can't affect the game out wide, not as much anyway.
Even without the training the players are playing twice a week with very little relief.. the squad is to small and has been found out since the 10th game last season
It's sad that teams like Nottingham Forest are flying and looks like they may just qualify for top 4,Champions league ahead of Spurs, and to cap it off,Nuno,is the manager who got fired at Spurs! Yes Son didn't hv a good game but I for one cannot vilify him for missing a penalty, it happens,Platini, Roberto di Baggio, the great flying doctor, Socrates also missed from the spot. Pity Son missed but it happens in a game of football, the only problem is that it could've been the winner! James Maddison shd've been played from the start,coz he seems to be the only one who can create. On hamstrings, when Ange was at Celtics, players had the same problem so I don't know if it was also to do with Angie's training methods,I don't know!
Son doesn’t want to get injured. I see him pulling back to avoid any serious injuries because he knows how stupid Ange is. Also, he doesn’t want an extension from Levy. Son wants to leave. I bet he is talking to Kane every night.
Angie won’t change his style of player and fed up of saying it he’s killing the players I’ve got to go. PS, we need to buy experience players not boys.🏴
I used to be Ange in...But now i`m Ange OUT without a doubt,The football is poor and it`s the same old excuses every time we get duffed up which these day`s is every game,Ok so we got a draw at home today..Wow! not impressed....This can`t be allowed to go on,with this football we will not advance in any cup tie`s it really is all doom and gloom,the player`s are not with Ange and he know`s it you can see it in his face on the side lines and after match interview`s,So bye bye Ange and sooner the better i say because it`s agony to watch week after week
A new manager wouldn’t be able to handle this. Give him to the end of the season. Buy some players and let see what happens. We still have the cups.
Soldier on as is this season and see where we end up. The negativity from fans is infectious and will affect the team. If we end up in a relegation scrap then fans should put pressure on Levy to leave. But.. Levy likely to make first move and save his own skin.
They looked dead on their feet in the last 15. The equaliser looked a certainty. Ange ball is killing us.
Hopefully we can plod on. Ange is decent coach but the the managersin the league know how to play him at his game, damn pity.
The club needs to sign two central defenders. A left back. A striker and a GK.
You're right but only quality
need more than that. A rightback (Porro is a pissed poor defender who can't defend), a creative midfielder (Maddison is not consistent enough), a CDM to control the tempo of the game.
A left winger and a right winger
After the next 3 prem games we will about 16th. We ARE 16th on last 40games form. Why keep him Barney ? Why ?
Son and Madison
What' the common denominator? Levy.
Ange is just devoid of emotion...Who would give 100 percent to this stiff.
Call Ange a taxi 🚕.. next chapter please
Half way through the season and already close to being lapped by the front runners. Crisis Jan window to save this season , or already another write off and repeat the Levy time manager search ?
Let's just go to the EFL and keep the negativity coming...lush!
i agree i also feel Ange has lost players, i see a dark future
I’ve been Ange out since the Ipswich game, we are terrible.
Are you not entertained 😂😂😂 angeball 😂😂
Sad to see people singing I'm lovin big ange instead are now calling for his head
How are we supposed to win with no backline and a 2nd tier goalie. What can Ange do! All we can hope is that we out score the other team
We lost a load of games with full strength teams. Like against Ipswich at home etc etc etc. Its not the players or the injuries. Its AngeBULL. Can never work.
@@michaelgeorge2630 there speaks a typically lily livered not up for the fight toxic spurs fan whose attitude typifies why it is on a run of 20 years failure under Levy - a new manager every year or two, cycle of failure, rinse and repeat, what a poisonous fan base spurs has, no manager succeeds there, spurs is a good business for Levy but a basketcase of a footy club.
Ange is a lunatic . He is ruining the career of our players .
Ange is a FAR better manager than terzic.
Sonny was piss poor, always looked he was going to miss. No ideas out there on the pitch. Sherwood saying the training is wrong. He had his chance, he did nothing
Nah, more of a good save than a bad miss. It was struck hard into the corner. But it was never a pen to be fair.
@@HDsharpa penalty can't be saved if well placed.
The taker needs to see in the run up which way the keeper is leaning and go the opposite.
Hsd he scored and we were two up at half time we would have won.
You can't blame the manager when we miss a penalty.
What do you say,Sonny is ratshit, misses a penalty and sack the manager?
Are we this fickle?
Too many games ,too many injuries, small squad.
He is building for the future which he'll never see as he'll be gone.
The Premier League, cups , Europe are the deathbed of managers. Plus international duties.
Also the killer of player's enthusiasm.
I don't think Ange lost the players.
The players are playing to their limits .
I think Sonny lost his mojo because he knows he can't win anything with this bunch of players.
Sad end for him .
@@consulthai decent summary of why spurs will never win anything with Levy in charge - pathetically thin squad
@consulthai Don't be silly, if the keeper guessed the right way, they can save it even if it's a decent pen. I said it wasn't a bad pen, just a decent pen. But a better save. You can clearly see the ball was caught right in the corner. It was struck with decent strength too. So it was more of a great save than a bad pen.
@HDsharp you're right, it's a guess work for the keeper, the taker should vlbe in control ,if he isn't ,makes a mistake the goalie can save it,ask Palmer
I've said all season that Angs needs to be a good trainer of the team and he's failing. This team looks worse than from the beginning of the season.
Seen it so many times at Spurs now.
New manager comes in. Team play well.
Team stop playing. Manager sacked.
Done it to Poch. Jose. Conte. Nuno. Now Ange.
Who is controlling that team. Board or Players.
Or is there a outside influence controlling the ream.
Born supporting Spurs. Like all the family.
But this is a disgrace.
Tottenham are in a bad spot. The system works, but no system will work with this amount of injuries. Just like last season. You sack him, it's a stupid decision.