the #1 tip for the application letter is: don‘t tell them what you already did (they can just look at your resume for that). in the letter you need to tell them *what you can do for them* for example: based on my experience with i can take responsibility for in your team employers have problems. employers have tasks that need to be done. tell them you can solve their problems and take the responsibility for those tasks
That an interesting take. I was a hiring manager for a large international bank for many years. I never expected job candidates to tell me how they could serve the company. I would simply assess their skills and personality attributes and form my own ideas about how I could use that person. I would not expect outside candidates to know what “problems” I have that they could solve. Like the old Blues son says, “You don’t know my mind.”
Software engineer here. You're doing great. Sooner or later will get there. Remember it's not about a job but the journey. Keep learning, humble as you are and enjoying present time
If you're open to advice from someone who is actually established, businesses don't just want to see how you can flex your code slinging skills. They want to see how you can practically apply those skills to suit their needs. A good example would be taking a database, and creating sql scripts to groom and export the data to another table and then displaying said data to demonstrate some sort of BI. I give this example because it directly targets any business you might be applying to, and through the short synopsis of the app you already created, it's not too far off. It is important to know your target audience and speak their language though. HR? The hiring manager? They won't know the finer details of that app no matter how hard you try to explain it. By no means am I saying stop doing what you're doing, it's absolutely important to maintain passion, and expand your skillset.
I'm a senior/lead programmer with 3 pages long resume at font size 7; and I can't find a new job either. (My current employer isn't treating me well so I'd like to leave.) If I apply to a position I am overqualified for, I am declined without an interview. If I apply for a position I am well qualified for, I am ghosted like you said.
@@JordantheComputerScientist sorry to say it’s probably gonna be another year at the minimum before things start to get better. Interest rates have to go down, the election needs to be done, and companies need to start hiring again, and that will take some time. Most we can hope for is that layoffs stop in 2024, which will mean less pressure on the small number of jobs
Dude I feel your pain. I'm glad that you're getting interviews. I've dropped about 300 apps since the new year and haven't gotten a single call. I've passed my resume to hiring managers I know and many say things like "If we had an opening I'd interview you" so idk if they're blowing smoke or if the resume is fine I'm just lower on the list for some reason.
I had to apply to bunch of jobs to get those 2 interviews honestly. I really think the key is just to keep applying. You only need one offer letter to be successful. I wish you the best of luck!
Same problem here as a software engineer. I already applied for 7 jobs, and 6 of them sent me an automated mail telling me they aren't in need of programmers at the moment
I'm also a Bachelor Major in fall 2023, Graduated in last July. Unfortunately although a bit different than your story (working freelancing atleast once every 2 months... a lot right?) and working as a senior for couple of months once... I'm still not financially stable, nor work environment stable... I hope that changes soon. I have so many dreams and projects that i need collegues and time and money to support and create - so i could change life...
I have been thinking about freelancing while applying but I thought I would be in the same position. “Why would I hire you to build my project when you just graduated?” I guess I could still look into it. I hope things change for the better for you
that first comment "of course it could be me" i can totaly relate same thing happened to me dont worry the well of life is always turning stay strong for cs at least we can build our portfolios while we wait for jobs. i usualy do odd jobs on upwork while i wait for my next position full time
Maybe as a community, we need to come together and create our own opportunities. We need good ideas for software, and then us junior devs could come together and work on it together
I agree with this. I remember when I decided to major in CS, I thought “i can get or job or create my own company “ and now is literally the best time to try to become an entrepreneur if you don’t have your career started yet. You either succeed and have money or you fail but created a hopefully impressive project to put on your resume. I’ve been working on small projects and planning others with friends.
I'm in the same position. Fall '23 grad, not located in a major city so tech jobs are rare in the area. No remote jobs for junior devs. So its relocate or try freelance stuff. I'm currently working an entry level job in a FinTech company, but doesn't have anything to do with CS. Still looking, still learning, still struggling.
Yeah, I really don’t want to move but I am seeing a lot more of opportunities in other states than my area. Opportunities as in job descriptions closer to my YOE and title requirements.
Hang in there! Market is super tough currently but you will find one. Just keep applying everyday. I spent hours every day applying for months. What tech stack are you looking to get a job in specifically?
Thanks I will. I am looking for testing positions or developing positions. I would like to work with a tech stack that involves react js. I have experience testing in java and js so I am open to roles that involves automated and manual testing.
In 2023 I took my Computer Science degree and I'm still unemployed (in Greece). The only positions available, are those with hard coding tests and even if you pass them, the salary is a joke. Awesome. 😅
All I will say is if you have your own LLc why couldn’t you be a software engineer for your own company. A lot of people myself included lack experience in the computer science field. Sometimes you have to improvise on your work experience
When i saw a friend going for his driving test i told him, 'wear a uniform, it helps.' It did. Anyway, not saying you should wear a uniform, but maybe you should say you're only doing this part time unitl a full time job is available. Get your foot in the door then keep looking. Good luck.
2022 CS grad bro… and went to a bootcamp after 😂 I took a job after graduation outside of tech though that paid close to 6 figures. So much for a CS degree 🤷🏾♂️
Keep doing side projects, never stop. Your job will change all the time, you'll have periods of unemployment. I just went through one myself. Your side projects are your own progression, they are the blessing of our industry - where you get to take full control of your skillset, regardless of the state of the industry. Don't stop your side projects, EVER. Computer Science is a blessed industry because regardless of the job market's state, we can build professional skills and experience for FREE, on our own.
Thanks, I will definitely continue to make projects. So far they have been small but I am about to start working on a big project that will have a lot of parts that should be able to show that I have a deep understanding.
I graduated in web dev in late 2008, it was the exact same thing. Web dev was dead for like...4 or 5 yrs. I have 10 yrs exp as a FE dev rn and after 200 applications only had 3 interviews. *edit* oh shit, u know leetcode. I never learned that bs, just started recently, if you can do mediums you prob get a job sooner or later
I worked 3 months for free to get a job, bro it’s problem world wide, if you don’t want to show your responsibility, they will not even see your CV, just skip like tinder
The crypto market is a precursor to tech jobs. Becasue it is driven by the same forces that control the tech sector. So you will notice when btc is booming the jobs will pick up about 12 months later. And when btc tops out and starts to tank tech jobs might follow suit 12 months later. Its alot to do debt markets and its impact on things like the ease of liquidity available for things like lending to companies and tech start ups, interest rates etc.. The layoffs was a result of this AND the over employment in the tech space so i don't expect it to get quite as hot as it did in say 2020, but it will get easier for sure. In 12 months time for someone like yourself who will be reasonably experienced with a degree, you are going to be in demand
the #1 tip for the application letter is:
don‘t tell them what you already did (they can just look at your resume for that). in the letter you need to tell them *what you can do for them*
for example: based on my experience with i can take responsibility for in your team
employers have problems. employers have tasks that need to be done. tell them you can solve their problems and take the responsibility for those tasks
Thank you for this, this gave me a new way to look at it. I actually took this into account with my latest interview and got through it.
That an interesting take. I was a hiring manager for a large international bank for many years. I never expected job candidates to tell me how they could serve the company. I would simply assess their skills and personality attributes and form my own ideas about how I could use that person. I would not expect outside candidates to know what “problems” I have that they could solve. Like the old Blues son says, “You don’t know my mind.”
Ya I am a 2023 graduate, still unemployed..
Sadly same my friend
We will get something soon. Just have to keep trying. Wish you both luck
Same here
Love from hungary. Unemployed cs grad for half a year reporting in.
Sammmmme 😭
Software engineer here. You're doing great. Sooner or later will get there. Remember it's not about a job but the journey. Keep learning, humble as you are and enjoying present time
Thanks, sometimes it feels like I’m going in circles because of all the rejections but I will definitely keep at it!
took me 2 years to get my first CS job but once youre in. Youre in. dont give up :)
Until you're out of course :)
My company shut down after I worked for 3 months and now back to hell.
I started working 2 days after graduation. How did it take you two years? unless this was after 2022, then I understand
Until you get laid off.
I trust that in due time, something will work out
Yeah, I will keep working towards it
Hope your interview went well, Jordan! You got this!
Thank you! It did, I have second round next week!
If you're open to advice from someone who is actually established, businesses don't just want to see how you can flex your code slinging skills. They want to see how you can practically apply those skills to suit their needs. A good example would be taking a database, and creating sql scripts to groom and export the data to another table and then displaying said data to demonstrate some sort of BI. I give this example because it directly targets any business you might be applying to, and through the short synopsis of the app you already created, it's not too far off. It is important to know your target audience and speak their language though. HR? The hiring manager? They won't know the finer details of that app no matter how hard you try to explain it. By no means am I saying stop doing what you're doing, it's absolutely important to maintain passion, and expand your skillset.
I'm a senior/lead programmer with 3 pages long resume at font size 7; and I can't find a new job either. (My current employer isn't treating me well so I'd like to leave.) If I apply to a position I am overqualified for, I am declined without an interview. If I apply for a position I am well qualified for, I am ghosted like you said.
Yeah I’m really hoping something changes soon. We worked too hard to get into this field
@@JordantheComputerScientist sorry to say it’s probably gonna be another year at the minimum before things start to get better. Interest rates have to go down, the election needs to be done, and companies need to start hiring again, and that will take some time. Most we can hope for is that layoffs stop in 2024, which will mean less pressure on the small number of jobs
Dude I feel your pain. I'm glad that you're getting interviews. I've dropped about 300 apps since the new year and haven't gotten a single call. I've passed my resume to hiring managers I know and many say things like "If we had an opening I'd interview you" so idk if they're blowing smoke or if the resume is fine I'm just lower on the list for some reason.
I had to apply to bunch of jobs to get those 2 interviews honestly. I really think the key is just to keep applying. You only need one offer letter to be successful. I wish you the best of luck!
Same problem here as a software engineer. I already applied for 7 jobs, and 6 of them sent me an automated mail telling me they aren't in need of programmers at the moment
Yeah the market is ridiculous right now. I hope something comes through for you
I'm working as a math teacher at the moment, i guess I'll be working there forever. If it stays this way!@@JordantheComputerScientist
A software engineer is struggling to find work? We're screwed.....
7 jobs lol try 700
I'm also a Bachelor Major in fall 2023, Graduated in last July. Unfortunately although a bit different than your story (working freelancing atleast once every 2 months... a lot right?) and working as a senior for couple of months once... I'm still not financially stable, nor work environment stable... I hope that changes soon. I have so many dreams and projects that i need collegues and time and money to support and create - so i could change life...
I have been thinking about freelancing while applying but I thought I would be in the same position. “Why would I hire you to build my project when you just graduated?” I guess I could still look into it. I hope things change for the better for you
that first comment "of course it could be me" i can totaly relate same thing happened to me dont worry the well of life is always turning stay strong for cs at least we can build our portfolios while we wait for jobs. i usualy do odd jobs on upwork while i wait for my next position full time
Yeah my small app is something I would a little bit of money for while job searching. I will look into upwork though
2023 Grad , unemployed in Europe.
It's the same everywhere.
Life fell off
I want to pursue CS too, so should i not now because of the unemployement?@@zaidelayyan7656
Maybe as a community, we need to come together and create our own opportunities. We need good ideas for software, and then us junior devs could come together and work on it together
I agree with this. I remember when I decided to major in CS, I thought “i can get or job or create my own company “ and now is literally the best time to try to become an entrepreneur if you don’t have your career started yet. You either succeed and have money or you fail but created a hopefully impressive project to put on your resume. I’ve been working on small projects and planning others with friends.
I hope this dude becomes successful. So I can take an example.
It’s really rough right now but I’m going to keep going. We will succeed!
I'm in the same position. Fall '23 grad, not located in a major city so tech jobs are rare in the area. No remote jobs for junior devs. So its relocate or try freelance stuff. I'm currently working an entry level job in a FinTech company, but doesn't have anything to do with CS. Still looking, still learning, still struggling.
Yeah, I really don’t want to move but I am seeing a lot more of opportunities in other states than my area. Opportunities as in job descriptions closer to my YOE and title requirements.
Never finished college I studied a vocational course in welding for 5 months now Im earning $55 an hour
U def obese
0:30 - "I was really proud of my accomplishment" - and you have every right to be. Kudos to you. And yes it's hard out here. ;)
Thank you, I appreciate this!
Praying your journey goes well
Hang in there! Market is super tough currently but you will find one. Just keep applying everyday. I spent hours every day applying for months. What tech stack are you looking to get a job in specifically?
Thanks I will. I am looking for testing positions or developing positions. I would like to work with a tech stack that involves react js. I have experience testing in java and js so I am open to roles that involves automated and manual testing.
You're going to land a role somewhere and you're going to TAKE OFF! 🚀
🤞🏽 Thanks bro
In 2023 I took my Computer Science degree and I'm still unemployed (in Greece). The only positions available, are those with hard coding tests and even if you pass them, the salary is a joke. Awesome. 😅
All I will say is if you have your own LLc why couldn’t you be a software engineer for your own company. A lot of people myself included lack experience in the computer science field. Sometimes you have to improvise on your work experience
When i saw a friend going for his driving test i told him, 'wear a uniform, it helps.' It did. Anyway, not saying you should wear a uniform, but maybe you should say you're only doing this part time unitl a full time job is available. Get your foot in the door then keep looking. Good luck.
Best advice is to go back to college and grad school for a Master's degree in Electrical Engineering.
2022 CS grad bro… and went to a bootcamp after 😂 I took a job after graduation outside of tech though that paid close to 6 figures. So much for a CS degree 🤷🏾♂️
Did you ever get to a tech job or still in the non tech one?
What non-CS job are you working now?
@@JordantheComputerScientist Non-Tech. Working in Energy Industry
@@mrtom-a-hawk6732 Working in Energy Industry
@@TheCuriousLifeOfCode what did you need to do to get into the industry
Or Accounting like Book Keeping or QuickBooks and Payroll and Tax return and CPA at most.
@jordanthecs Any tips on how to get a get understanding of CS without going back to school for it?
Learning a low level language and doing data structures and algorithms in that language does wonders in my opinion
I’m thinking of doing M.E or C.S idk which one. I really don’t want to choose cs and the whole thing to be right that cs careers be a dead end.
Keep doing side projects, never stop. Your job will change all the time, you'll have periods of unemployment. I just went through one myself. Your side projects are your own progression, they are the blessing of our industry - where you get to take full control of your skillset, regardless of the state of the industry. Don't stop your side projects, EVER. Computer Science is a blessed industry because regardless of the job market's state, we can build professional skills and experience for FREE, on our own.
Thanks, I will definitely continue to make projects. So far they have been small but I am about to start working on a big project that will have a lot of parts that should be able to show that I have a deep understanding.
I graduated in web dev in late 2008, it was the exact same thing. Web dev was dead for like...4 or 5 yrs. I have 10 yrs exp as a FE dev rn and after 200 applications only had 3 interviews.
*edit* oh shit, u know leetcode. I never learned that bs, just started recently, if you can do mediums you prob get a job sooner or later
I worked 3 months for free to get a job, bro it’s problem world wide, if you don’t want to show your responsibility, they will not even see your CV, just skip like tinder
I only finished the hello word exercise and I have a Viral Vector Engineering job on $80,000 a year 😂
Move to Germany they have tech shortage ! They will fast track residency etc
What college did you graduate from ? And how many internships did you do while at school?
I did one internship over the course of a year and a half. I went to a state school near me.
The crypto market is a precursor to tech jobs. Becasue it is driven by the same forces that control the tech sector. So you will notice when btc is booming the jobs will pick up about 12 months later. And when btc tops out and starts to tank tech jobs might follow suit 12 months later. Its alot to do debt markets and its impact on things like the ease of liquidity available for things like lending to companies and tech start ups, interest rates etc.. The layoffs was a result of this AND the over employment in the tech space so i don't expect it to get quite as hot as it did in say 2020, but it will get easier for sure. In 12 months time for someone like yourself who will be reasonably experienced with a degree, you are going to be in demand
It’s 2024 bro and you used job and financial freedom in the same sentence as a long term plan? I thought you were Gen z
Promote that app. Good luck
Devin AI is about to replace a lot of programmers.
Hi can you share your resume :) ?
I can show it in my next video
Lmao Reddit is literally hell. U come with an innocent question and they grill u
Bro, are you wearing a...bonnet?
*promo sm*
honestly the field is fucked
I am also gonna pursue CS in germany, so should i not?
Only the bad programmers are getting axed. No one wants to hire laid off employees because they are usually the lousy workers.
You can NOT be unemployed as CS Grad!!!
I won’t be for long
@@JordantheComputerScientist I know bro. Good luck.
@@JordantheComputerScientistgot a job yet ?