@@aaroncrawford3556 pre ts he didn't have even that lol Franky Shogun is cooler than anything Franky has done before that but then again fights aren't what makes strawhats likeable or great besides the monster trio mayb
10:03 Brook did nothing??? 😮That man was the MVP of Whole Cake Island. I feel like he got some development in terms coming into his own as fighter and Senior Straw Hat officer
Bro DID YOU EVEN WATCH ONE PIECE??? There is no way bro said my goat Brook didn't do anything in WCI. He literally fought big mom and clutched poneglyph prints you cant be serious 😭 him revealing himself infornt of big mom by tearing off his mask after breaking the photo is one of the coldest moments in the series And don't even say it was purely action. "Death is never a part of the plan" Is a great extension to his moral code since thriller bark which was "Death is never an apology". Honestly WCI is the arc I like most because of character development u tripping with this take fr fr. (also can't forget about jinber 🐐)
Those aren't character moments though they're cool but anyone could have done that and it would have been cool That's not really a moment of personal growth or an interesting aspect of his character It's just a cool thing that he did
@@bradyharpe6051 Not many people wouldev stood up to big mom like he did The showcase of bravery and resolve, as well as the unwillingness to sacrifice is a expression of his character. Also Literally no one else could've clutched the poneglifs like he did, like remember big mom had a full body check up on brook, it's only because brook is brook that he is able to hide the pone glifs in his skull, giving him specific importance and not something "anyone can do". And his speech about death is a great extension of moral code, very symbolic to him, an undead skeleton living just to fulfil a promise.
@@KumoBear12 I was typing as I watched (Edit) You did NOT acknowledge this in the video, I thought you did but Upon rewatching that part I realized you just said "This happens in real life too" Which is not "Acknoledgement" of his writing rather just calling it a realistic possibility. My mistake was thinking I made a mistake.
@@O.Reagano neither kaido, nor big mom, nor york (lmao) or saturn are anywhere as good as crocodile or arlong. He is still kinda wrong tho bcoz doffy is the best arc villain in the series
I honestly prefer One Piece after the time skip, I was younger and much more impatient so on my first watch through of one piece I skipped A LOT of the pre timeskip stuff because I was so deathly bored, now as I grew older it grew on me but I wouldnt have bothered watching if not for the timeskip
@@breakhammer87 To this day I still haven't actually watched Skypia, I literally can't get through it, I've tried, I really have but I can't its so boring to me, I only know what happened because I've read summaries of what happened
Man i hope so. This arc is suppossed to be about usopp but im scared oda will shift it to focus more on nika. He set up alot of nika lore for elbaf since the reveal
I love Big Mom and Kaido. They, and other characters, obtain their status in somewhat realistic ways. They are very strong, but a big chunk of their power comes from networking and reputation. I think they are perfect for the direction the story is going with talking about a new generation. In the current state of the world, even Buggy was able to fail upward based on who he knew and being in the right place at the right time. As far as Big Mom and Kaido go, they also had a comfy thing going. Both they and Doflamingo had safe haven home bases, built up reputation and armies, government insiders. They had a good, reliable network in gun and smile trading, money flowing in constantly. Caesar safely tucked away to do experiments to generate even more income. None of them had to actually fight for a long time and coasted by on reputations of brutality. They all started channeling their energy into side projects and family drama and were truly just local warlords living in palaces while doing twisted things to their people. The grunts were the only ones in any real danger during day to day business. So their inner circles were all pretty comfortable too. The worst generation is shaking up these power structures that have been established for decades. I like these arcs and characters. I think the story is doing exactly what it needs to. But I do give props for how you presented your opinions. Very to the point.
I agree with this video. After post time skip, all the Strawhats outside of Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro, don't get to do anything. Oda literally admitted in a SBS that the other Strawhats are progressing towards their dreams, but only off screen. He also admitted to not taking the story as seriously anymore and wanting to go for more a disney like ending, maybe because of burnout? I think the issue is that Oda isn't given enough time to plan out his story anymore. Wano is one of the worst arcs because of how many plot lines Oda dropped so he can rush the ending of the arc. If Oda was given weeks or months breaks to plan out the story, I think post time skip would have the potential to be one of the best manga sagas of all time. I find it cringe how One Piece fans will simply just say "you didin't even watch the show" when these criticisms can only be made if you actually watched/read the series in it's entirety. It's okay to criticize One Piece, criticizing One Piece is not hating one One Piece. One Piece is not flawless, post-time skip proves how flawed the story is.
I agree with the wano plot lines take, but I think after egghead its safe to say oda is back to handling multiple plotlines as well as humanly possible (makes sense cause he is taking a lot more breaks now lol) Wano is the only arc that has that problem tho, it was too big even for one piece, Im gonna assume "did you even watch the show" is directed at one of my other comments lol, have you ever heard of the term called "hyperbole"?
Bro heavy On "I turn it page and sigh" it genuinely a pain to read the manga sometimes they will reveal some major in universe lore and I won't even realize because I got confused in the order I'm supposed to read it in
Pretty valid take. Post time skip has less of a focus on the straw hats as a whole. They are our protagonists, I can't blame you for wanting more. But imo, most of them already completed their emotional arc of the series. Only one who we truly didn't get any for is jinbe, the only strawhat who officially joined post timeskip. And he's basically the most emotionally secure one on the crew, i dont think there's much to explore. People praise one piece to the high heavens for its story and world building. But I don't think any of it would matter without the characters. Water 7 is still my favourite shonen arc for what it did with Ussop. And every strawhat had a similar stretch of chapters pre timeskip. The only strawhat moments which truly stuck with me like the pre time skip were franky in dressrosa and sanji in WCI. But imo, one piece is still one piece. Its still a character focused series, just different characters now. Fishman island is a fine arc, i don't mind it. My least favourite one piece arcs being before and after the summit war seems pretty deliberate anyway. Punk hazzard is a good setup arc and the series finally returned to its roots in dressrora. Everything with doflamingo, riku, rebecca, mr pink, law is amazingly done. While the pacing was rough and there were too many characters, the few in focus were remarkably written. Just as well as the pre timeskip strawhats. Imo oda set himself up for slight failure by creating such a vaste world. It's true that there are way too many characters, but without them it will hurt the immersion. One thing i absolutely hate about stories with the stakes being the world ending or something, is that it only focuses on a few characters. A few nobodies that for some reason decide the fate of the world. It completely breaks immersion. Only series which managed to pull this off is imo Avatar and Gurren Laggan. The latter just made the stakes absurdly high it just came full circle 😭 Oda might've realised this, and even if he didn't I'm glad he makes up a lot of characters for each arc. It makes the stakes feel more believable, that it rightfully involves thousands in each island, and what the crew achieves in each island holds more weight. Continuing with the characters, Zou had some great moments with the mink leaders (forgor names). WCI was finally another straw hat focused arc and oda delivered. Sanji, pudding, katakuri and big mom were done amazingly. It's true that there wanst much of an ideologically conflict, i think she carried it on her own. The world gave her the worst and she wanted to make it better. But she was so twisted from childhood, that her perfect world is nothing more than a parody of equality. It was amazingly done, one of the best op villains imo. The comes my third favourite stretch of chapters in the series, the oden flashback. While i think wano as a whole was a let down, what oda did here more than makes up for it. It did so much for the lore an gave us one of the best one piece back stories. Oden is the chad character done to perfection. Momo became a worthy son of his near the end of the arc and yamato more than deserved to carry out his legacy. And now the latest arc had my second favourite stretch of chapters in the series, the Kuma flashback. The suffering he went through but his willingness to keep going honestly pushed me out of a pretty bad place. Even after "death" his will lives strong in him. The most strong willed character thus far, and definitely best dad. Vegapunk was a second favourite. How his greed for more knowledge led to his downfall was explored well. Aside from the main focused characters, most other side characters also had development post ts. Buggy's friendship with shanks, Kizaru and Aokiji's justice, the grand fleet ect. While I missed Oda's focus on the crew I think he more than made up for it by exploring the rest of the world. What makes pre timeskip better is each arc being more cohesive. But with the world he created, i dont think oda has any other choice but to cram stuff into each arc. That also effects the panelling sadly. These are personally my only complaints.
Wonderful response dude the focus is the world now and we’ve been introduced to the strawhats and we get to see how they truly affect the world thru the experiences we have thru diff characters lowkey this vid was a bit of a bummer had some good points but this comment flipped it thanks for taking the time to type this
Yeah, it's controversial but the whole point of crews like the Straw Hats is they're largely the people they're meant to be and most of their arc has already occurred. In smaller casts, you expect them to become completely different people.
I feel like nothing is really being said in a lot of this video. I mostly agree with the strawhats part (minus brook being useless in WCI), but a lot of the time I just feel like you’re saying “this is something that happened post timeskip. Remember this thing from pre timeskip? That was much better”. I think it’s also worth mentioning the non-strawhat characters that got way better post-timeskip. Law, Kuma, Roger, Doflamingo, Aokiji, and Koby all have much more meaningful story arcs post timeskip. The post timeskip era also has inarguably some of the best flashbacks in the series. If someone were to say their top 3 flashbacks were all from post timeskip, I wouldn’t agree, but I would not bat an eye. A lot of the character examples in this video also feel cherrypicked. Let’s remember that pre timeskip had Moria, the four priests, Johnny and Yosaku, and Absalom. Post timeskip has Odin, Vegapunk, Bartolomeo, Pedro, Morgans… there’s lots of good and lots of mid on both ends. Also I gotta say, criticizing the Akazaya 9 for “all being introduced at once” (they weren’t) while ALSO criticizing Kinémon for being around too long… which one is it? Kinda contradictory. Also, a group of 9 new characters all being introduced at once… that describes the Supernovas from Saboady better then the Akazaya 9, lol. Idk maybe I’m just riding the high of Egghead wrapping up and being my favorite arc in all of One Piece but this video is a massive miss for me.
I appreciate the critisism! Although I do disagree with a lot of it. Yes I bring up a lot of things from the pre time skip that was better, because that\s the point of the video. But whenever I brought those things up, I feel like I gave reasons for it, like choppers monster point, usopp and nami's fighting style, nami's fight with ulti, the crew splitting up. There is like one time I remember of the top of my head when I talk about franky's strong right, but even then I had just finished explaining why I didn't like him getting a bunch more powerups. So I don't really know what you mean in that regard. I am cherrypicking a little bit, but that's because my point is that the timeskip is worse, not bad. I do bring up the fact that a lot of villains pre time skip also aren't that great, because at no point am I saying pre time skip it's perfect, only better, not even by a huge amount. Also Johnny and Yosaku were goated lol. And I don't think I ever said the akazaya nine got introduced all at once? If I did then please correct me. I said they were new, which I guess isn't technically true because two of them we had already met, so 7 new characters then I guess? And I don't think comparing them to the supernovas is fair at all. The supernovas were around for like a tenth of the length of wano, and the story never really had a focus on them in that arc. Not even law, he didn't get focused on until after the timeskip. They were not the sympatethic heroes of a 150 chapter long arc. I appreciate the critisism but I don't agree lol
ok let's make this clear, character development is a good thing, BUT... u don't need it, characters DON'T have to change who they are, u can simply like them for their personality, if we apply this logic than straw hats really don't need more character development, they already had it, they should just be themselves like... it would be cool if zoro had a big arc like sanji had in WCI but... people love zoro for who he is and not for his past, zoro is a strong badass who occasionally says badass lines, and people love it
@@michalvrabec454 That's not necessary but it always depends on the type of characters you wanna focus that aspect on, like, it's really different to talk about a character of a 1:30 movie, even a protagonist from a short series to not need any kind of development, than all of the protagonists of a HECKIN MORE THAN 1000 CHAPTER SERIES where they're still all very young people (with maybe the exception of Jinbe) and it's crazy to think that they wouldn't change at all while in the huge adventure and obstacles they get through.
End of pre timeskip straw hats were the same amount as all of post timeskip yet each straw hat were doing something memorable in water 7/ thrillerbark/ and sabaody but in post timeskip it’s truly a tragedy
I personally don't have the time to rebuttal everything you said, and some of them I do agree with, but you downplayed way too many things. Strawhat character development is slow and subtle in most story beats and their power increases follow that same trend, with exception to Luffy's Gears. Villains getting worse, yes Hordy wasn't the best villain but he served his purpose well if you know how to find it, Creaser was a stepping stone villain to Joker/Doffy, you skipped my boi Katakuri, the Doffy from another mother, and Kaido was a depressed "might makes right" warrior. Brook was a chad when he destroyed the picture of Mother Caramel, but Jimbei took the cake moments later. Nami vs Ulti was a rehash of Nami vs Enel, but repeated actions become habits and Nami almost caved in. Demon Robin... why did you disregard that amazing powerup and say it's was meh, only to say the Strawhats aren't getting good powerups? I don't own the manga but Totally not Mark agrees with you on the poor paneling, and the pics both of you guys have shown leads me to believe you guys. Chopper got his moment on Zou not Whole Cake. (He has been regulated as the cute captain after all.)
There's a kernel of truth in all your criticisms... but the issue is the extreme exaggeration and generalizations you're making to support your argument. You conveniently dismiss all the examples that don't suit the agenda you're pushing.
2:01 She actually did do something. In Wano she fought Ulti and she was getting forced to say Kaido will become king of the pirates but instead she kept saying Luffy will become king of the pirates over and over again with Ulti smashing her hard head into Nami’s head. So she did a lot of things at Wano. Then at Whole Cake she was Standing On Business when she confronted Sanji for fighting Luffy.
one of my main problems was the humour. The humour pre TS was so good especially when zoro was involved. Think back to skypiea AAAH, getting lost in sabaody, scaring everyone when they were descending from skypiea, hitting that cool ass pose in little garden. Now zoro just grunts and occasionally gets lost for gags. Chopper used to be funny too. Now I hate chopper's voice in the anime cuz it is just way too annoying after hearing "don't praise me dumbass" for the millionth time without any other joke being there. Let's not even get started on Usopp being the funniest character pre TS. But post TS i can't remember a single Usopp joke at all other than him being scared ig.
This is true because the gags were still somewhat new and fresh at that point. But for some reason oda just keeps going with the same gags, so they get kinda old. He still manages to impress me with how he’s able to tell the same jokes in different and new ways tho
@@KumoBear12 it's not just gags that were there pre-TS. Oda had unique jokes too. He did use gags but he added full on unique jokes on top of that. Like Usopp and Luffy bowing to that bear in Drum Island. Sanji and Nami being scared of bugs in Jaya. Bananagator from Alabasta. Now it just is either character gags (brook panties, sanji pervert, zoro lost, nami money) or what feels like idea of jokes. I genuinely can't think of a single moment that made me burst out laughing in post TS. Idk maybe he felt the series should get a bit serious so he dropped all the jokes and kept only the gags to keep it going.
@@dfactoropbr tbh i've never found myself laughing at any of the jokes in One Piece, I prefer the more serious tone it's taken, and i'm fine with most of the gags besides Sanji's, that stuff is just weird and annoying.
That “diaper” is Choppers hat read the sbs for this extra info. But you did say you don’t like reading a lot of text so never mind. SBS: I am aware you put the information in the video but you added it in like Oda afterwards without properly addressing it so to quote you “it’s just weird”
@@KumoBear12So I was listening to the video and not watching it, so I went back to watch and then apologize but the shit was on screen for like a second. Edit it and address it verbally in the video, you did the same thing Oda did. You pulled an SBS didn’t address it in the video and put the info as text in the video later.
@@joy4themightydonutchainsaw620 Yeah because it's obvious that im just making a joke. If I had to pause everytime I make a joke to clarify, that wouldn't be very fun
I can only say that you are watching and reading One Piece in a very superficial way, and by the way, Blackbeard was not a Yonkou in Pre-Timeskip, he was still the new Shichibukai at Marine Ford, then he became Whitebeard’s “replacement”. And Big Mom and Kaido are not Mid; each of them has an explanation of their past and why they are like that (especially Big Mom being abandoned by her parents and manipulated by Mother Caramel and Streusen). I can say more about Big Mom, but I’m going to focus on Kaido because I think a lot of people don’t understand him and that’s why they see him as a flat character. He, a person of oni race, was forced to work as a soldier since he was a child, he was not really free, then he became, with Big Mom, part of The Rocks pirates, but he wanted to prove more to the world that he was the strongest, and not someone you can take advantage of. He lived in a poor country and the governments of his country used his strength for their convenience, they even wanted to sell him to the marines, so they could get to Reverie, obviously Kaido escaped. Later when the government captured him, they experimented on him to research his fruit. He never experienced freedom in his life and he realized that people with power were weaker than him, that’s why he has the idea that he needs to change those positions, that this time the strongest will be on top, not the common people. Knowing that King reinforces that thought because King wanted Kaido to become Joy Boy, then he has this contrast in his personality where he gets depressed and nostalgic, you can interpret this as his vulnerable side after experiencing all those bad things that he hides and keeps to himself. Also, Kin being a lunarian is important to the main story (the seraphim were created thanks to his genes). And I could also talk about each of the stwahats and other characters but it’s not worth it because you don’t analyze or interpret anything.
@@KumoBear12They do though, you just obviously can't read further into a story than what's shown and told to you directly on screen, like a kid in 3rd grade. Kaido's story and the way his character operates morally and thematically acts as a bridge between Luffy (and the current generation of pirates as a whole), and the old generation. He stands as one of the last greats of his age, and encapsulates the worst parts of it. By facing and defeating him in wano, the way Luffy and his crew view the world and are viewed by it becomes much more than just that of rookie pirates journeying across the Grandline. It becomes a story of political interests, serious moral implications, and makes you have to actually sit back and think about things before you fully understand them. Sure, it's not a whimsical and full of fun and funny character moments and gags 24/7, but the story is maturing and aging with its audience. Not saying none of your points are valid, but you seem to have watched OP in a very superficial way.
@@KumoBear12 Dude, I spent 10 minutes typing that earlier comment. I'm not spending another 20 breaking down all of post timeskip in a way that the narrative would make sense to a preschooler. Just stop being dumb and think about things for more than 2 seconds, it not really difficult man.
@@KumoBear12if you think this is all mid then I wonder what you think about Jjk? You probably think it’s the best thing to grace the earth don’t you?😂 it’s what I’d expect from Jjk fans tho honestly.
I think there has definitely been more lore and world building, but I think the world building suffers sometimes because the new characters in those worlds aren’t always that good like I said in the video. Skypiea had incredible world building while not having that many characters
It doesn’t have more lore jusy think about what your saying😭 pre time skip was the set up to lost of the lore your thinking you’re just getting now be if you understand sub text a lot of the shit revealed later on was already heavily hinted at.
@@phillemon7664 Franky stuff makes it exaggerated luffy has scar which symbolise the whole war zoro looks cooler wit scar usopp is more jacked there is half good half bad
@@waffleenjoyer-re3pg what I didn't know brook grew more bones in post ts lol and robin didn't have any change besides her boobs growing bigger which is more exaggerated in anime
One piece is mostly plot-driven and focuses around how the strawhats affect the world around them, rather than how the world changes them as a character. The thing with post time-skip is that there are simply too many characters that it makes it difficult to make everyone feel relevant. Also when the plot moves forward, especially in a shounen, characters do need some sort of progression to stay relevant. The problem is not that the strawhats don't change on a fundamental level (like some people critique one piece for), but simply that characters don't stay relevant. This wouldn't be as much as a problem if the arcs focused more on the strawhats themselves, but each island tends to have their own characters that come with it and in cases like Dressrosa and Wano, there isn't a good balance between the newer characters and the strawhats.
I think Kaido is a little bit more nuanced than that, but not by much. He is depressed and wants to die, but essentially he just doesn't want to do anything because he is dead inside I think, they could have at least made him wonder around randomly and give him some personal moments where he struggles with his existence, trying to make sense of his life and realizing that he only has strength and that's why he wants to cause a massive wars, or make his past even more traumatic (perhaps making him a chained gladiator forced to fight for years to stay alive for the amusement of others, just a tought but I think that would be a bit more interesting than what we got). Yeah, kind of wasted potential for a character that could have been so much more, and someone many people would have been able to relate with at least on the depression part
Just started watching your video. Honestly speaking I think the peak of the strawhats as a crew was Enies Lobby, when Franky and Robin just joined up. I remember watching the One piece Strong world movie and thinking how cool pre timeskip Franky was. I feel like the core crew could have stayed being 8 and instead Oda could have told the story of Brook similar to Jinbe. You explore parts of Brook's story in an arc, for whatever reason he can't immediately join the crew but is an honorary member but you find arcs where you can continue telling Brooks story until he can join the crew somewhat fully fleshed out. No hate to brook but Oda hasn't done him any favours having him be on the crew and not doing much with him. If you have only about 8 core crew members for most of pre timeskip until the final war, they you might and I say might have more opportunities for good character work. I mean Oda did do it once before
While there are a lot of things I like about the Time Skip, I also feel like there are things from the pre-Time Skip that has been lost. It just feels different from the first half.
It got better after the timeskip Bigger World More Haki powers combined with Devil fruits Plot is Going crazy with the threads oda set up Just because a Character is finished developing doesn't mean they should be written out You undervalued pudding too much especially with her place now Hordy have no reason is kind of the point and we're not meant to see him change The Adventure has more focus and direction since they have the rubbings
@@SilverSurfer1966Bro said Usopp's new design isn't as good as the original. Excuse me, what!? Best design for the New World *100%* goes to Usopp. I love that Oda seriously buffed him up and changed up the ugly brown overalls that's been with him since Syrup Village. It's not to say he didn't change up his outfits in other arcs like Drum Island, Alabasta, Enies Lobby (praise Sogeking), Thriller Bark, and Sabaody, but aside from those, Usopp just wore a variation of those bland overalls with something like a shirt underneath it (Skypiea and Post-Enies Lobby). Even with arcs like Enies Lobby or Thriller Bark, Usopp *STILL* has his brown overalls and is just wearing a variation that has something slapped onto it for the arc, but I can make an exception for our savior, Sogeking. That, and I find his Pop Greens to be a much more interesting form of ammunition than his Sunflower Star, rocks, eggs, and lead shots. He really made the effort to push himself and said that when he traveled to the more dangerous parts of the Boin Archipelago, he found better and stronger Pop Greens to use as ammo. I still love the Pine Cone Grenades and Fireworks Flowers. Think about it: Kuma sent Usopp to an island full of highly combustible seeds and plants that wanted to eat him and expected him to come back alive. Given the results, that's crazy. The only thing I do agree with is the pacing, even in the anime. The escape from Whole Cake Chateau in the anime dragged on longer than we needed it to. It's true, the characters don't get a lot of focus as much as they used to, like when the crew has to split up into groups, and I definitely felt that during Whole Cake Island. As much as I love characters like Nami, Chopper, Sanji, and *ESPECIALLY* Brook in that arc, I already missed the rest of the crew and was ready to join them again in Wano because the Sanji Retrieval Team was already an eyesore for me. So, imagine how giddy I was when I finally saw Zoro just strolling through one of the markets in Wano? It had been far too long and I couldn't have been happier to see everyone else. That, and I was sick of those Germa 66 bigots (except for Reiju). I only wish Sanji had given them, especially Judge, a good beating. He didn't get hurt enough for my liking, and while I understand Sanji's character arc in WCI boils down to feeding Big Mom because he's a chef first and foremost, I still wish he got to do a bit more kicking. I just wanted Sanji to give Judge and his brothers a few more kicks to their brains (if they even had any 😒). He's also right about Usopp not getting much time to shine. The most he's done up to this point was shoot down Sugar by unlocking Observation Haki in Dressrosa and keep Page One at bay during Wano, but it was ultimately Big Mom who took him out. Here's to hoping Elbaf will treat him better. Also, what's this about Nami's Climatact? Of course it's become much more simple to use. It's been upgraded with Weatheria technology, so of course she would find a way to fight much easier, i.e. Weather Eggs and chains of thunder clouds. Even Usopp didn't get rid of his Dials from Skypiea. They've been incorporated into his slingshot, so it's not like they've been forgotten about. At least, that's how I see all this.
I both agree and disagree as Dressrosa and Whole Cake Island do a great job of fleshing and expanding upon the casts they have for their respective stories, its pretty hard to miss actually 😅. Wano however, I agree, outside The Monster Trio and kinda-sorta Robin, I feel like the remaining Straw Hats kinda got shafted, especially towards the climax as it felt like Oda very much poured that energy into fleshing out Oden and The Era of Roger not really focusing on the development on the rest of the cast.
I think it's a combination of so many sub-plots, but also I don't think Oda really knows where his going or what he wants to do with these many sub-plots he started. Before, Oda was very careful to leave things vague and theory-piecers can have a ball filling our heads with what this or that eye-twitch means. But as the story winds down we're not seeing much more meaning to anything and the explanations we do get aren't very satisfactory. Worse...I'm not sure they really fit together all that well. Egghead was supposed to be the place where I was really hoping to find answers because who better than the SMARTEST MAN IN THE WORLD, connected to the strongest faction of the world and the very height of power? All we got was some Bonney-simp. THAT guy is the worse let down in One Piece to me. We'll see...
Exactly, it's the Island Of The Future, we shove at least given Franky a major sub plot I. This arc, Vegapunk Is his hero and his Inspiration, yet they barely interact with each other, it's sad
I have red until Punk Hazard so I dont have the whole insite. But I think part of the problem is your expectations. Since the crew gets bigger and bigger, you cant have all of them play a big role in every arc or maybe in any arc, some of them must be secondary figures. I agree that new characters are too menny and it becomes too messy. For me I lost a little interest in One Piece way back when Robin joined the crew in jaya, they become to menny and Robin joining the crew didn't seen believable until water seven. But when I think of it in another direction that the main characters are the east blue pirates, and must of all Luffy, then it make sense that all of the other doesn't get that much screen time. I don't know if Oda managed to do that in a proper way in later arcs, but I think you cant expect every strawhat to get their moment in every arc, the series is long as it is.
I’m 50/50 with your video so far ( 10:56 ), but it mostly may just be phrasing as most of the video still hasn’t played. That said, I don’t actually think some of the straw hats need character development (Jinbe, Brook, and Franky mostly), however, I think what most people want is just more characterization. Not changing or developing their character, but getting them time to shine again-which is partly what makes adventure stories so fun, and with how soda writes his characters especially.. distinguishes One Piece from everything else that much more.
Bro, what are you talking about? Literally everyone says that One Piece is peak right now. Yes, there were some slower parts after the time jump, but you cannot generalise that One Piece got "worse" after the time skip. Overall, it got even better with more hype moments. And of course the main characters have to be more in focus than the others as the story progresses.
Ig having such a long running story with an equally complex, grand worldbuilding, lead Oda to get lost in his own world. At least he's dead set on how the story ending🤷♀ Someone needs to teach Oda about the K.I.S.S framework Edit: Don't interpret this wrong, Oda is still a phenomenal author & i shouldn't hafta defend it
Kinda felt the same to be honest at the start up until Dressrosa, but then you gotta realize that the story started really evolving past just the crew and post the time skip, the focus shifted more on the overall world plot as it obviously became bigger. I mean at this point majority of the crew have been fleshed out anyway. Haha.
Honestly I like old pre time skip better but they’re both very good it’s just new one a new form of good and style and animation they’re both so amazing tho and masterpiece in art
I couldnt agree more with all your points. Especially the lack of originality for the female characters, and the way post time skip is doing too much. It became so generic. Black then in the pre time skip, you could feel that adventure, and that the manga is centered around pirates. But more important, the anime was simple. Now we have ridiculous frames, like the galaxy impact, it's just too much, for nothing.
It's fair that you prefer pre-timeskip over post, but you're really underselling the post-timeskips story for what it is. You go on to say multiple times that characters have done "nothing" and then proceed to explain something very important that they do (ex. Brook standing up to Big Mom and stealing the road poneglyphs). I get that there's less big on screen moments for each straw hat but they all still have their own roles to fulfill, Dressrosa isn't an exception to how post-timeskip got worse, it never did. The focus has just shifted to a broader view of the world around the straw hats, and while that does mean less screen time for their moments, that doesn't mean they get "nothing" at all. It's fine that you prefer a smaller cast with more frequent moments but I don't think that equates to worse quality, each arc is plenty great on its own, they all have amazing moments throughout the story and build upon each other to reveal information to both us the readers, and the characters themselves. Hell, we even got one of the most heart-wrenching backstories of the series in Egghead. TL;DR: One Pieces story didn't get worse after the timeskip, it just shifted its focus and while that may not be as interesting to some, many many many people love it just as much.
I speak in a kinda over exaggerated way, so "nothing" doesn’t literally mean nothing. It means "nothing compared to pre timeskip". Of course I’m aware of the different direction of the pts, but like I said in the video, the straw hats getting less to do wouldn’t have been as bad if the other problems I had weren’t there
Thriller Bark is one of my favorite arcs exactly because of how good the crew interactions were in that. That's a big part of what I enjoyed in the series.
Hey man I don’t know if you’re going to read this but I agree with some of your opinions there’s some other opinions I might disagree on but overall a good video and I can admit this one piece post timeskip didn’t start good until Dressrosa 💯
Literally my problem in post timeskip , Pretty strong points , id even like to point out how inconsistent the power scaling has gotten (i absolutely don't like to but ) ussop defeats sugar is the lamest possible way id think even at age 3 ,Luffy learned future sight -never actually used it , wasn't shown how kaido and bm were using it where they clearly should have , luffy learnt that we can coat and use conquerors haki just like armament haki and thats what is advanced conquerors haki - like talk about lazy writing The stories too are very much try to copy Alabasta - like mass manipulation by Bon clay's ability , doffy by framing the king with his power like come up with smtg new oda Whole cake island was the best post time skil arc for me tbh , I actually felt for some characters in that arc and it had some really good moments too While that said ,egghead exceeded all my expectations and went crazy id expect the same from elbaph , i really think oda didn't want most of the post timeskip arcs he just made them for popularity and run , maybe thats why he said the egghead is the beginning of ebd
To be honest I don't have any thoughts on the power scaling stuff. While I think the action is really good, it has never been one of the main aspects I like about one piece. I couldn't tell you what the different haki powers even work except for some of them or which names are which powers lol
@@KumoBear12 i also don't actually care about power scaling but we can't deny it's a narrative tool and inconsistencies (especially like the sugar's lame defeat) in it really downgrade a story
@@debatexdebate Yeah but I meant like, I know so little about the power scaling stuff that I haven't even noticed the inconsistentcies your talking about. Like I thought usopp defeating sugar was fine
good video. I think a big problem now is that oda doesn't listen to editors anymore, so there is no one to stop him from introducing to much shit at once.
Tbh i love pre timeskip but i love post timeskip as well. The only thing that i hate was the nika reveal. It had no foreshadowing and came out of nowhere. Oda desperately tried to link it back to past references by calling it sun god even though the sun doesnt have anything to do with luffys abilities just so fan can chew on it and claim oda foreshadowed it. Luffy having the rubber fruit would be way better
Now it seems like oda is focusing more on that than the other crew members. Franky could've had important character writing in egghead but instead we got more nika lore. Elbaf is supposed to be usopps arc but idk anymore since nika was written to have a important significance in elbaf now.
The biggest and one of the only foreshadowing we had that hinted at Luffy's fruit was not truly a paramecia, is how luffy displayed properties of the fruit that would not be possible if he was truly a paramecia type, like Luffy changing the course of his attack against Katakuri. Some people use example's like law's fruit or Kuma's fruit also having a bunch of weird properties, but those fruits are more abstract, while rubber is a simple concept. As for Nika it should've been introduced earlier, but I think the way that Oda has implemented it and especially in egghead makes it a good inclusion.
Bruh, the part about side characters made me remember how bad i wanted Barto to join the crew! I like brooke and Jenbei but id trade both of them for Barto!
Your last Point is spot on. One Piece just has to much text in the later parts. Also people are shitting on Kubo because bleachs Story structure is to introduce 20 characters at the beginning of an arc, but Oda is not much better in that regard
I haven't watched the video yet, but it's probably going to be about the lack of focus on the Straw Hats in the post timeskip. Which imo is fine, they had their arcs done in the first half of One Piece. The second half should be focused more on wrapping up the story, and the endgame will have all the Straw Hats fulfulling their dreams, so they will get their focus again.
For your sake, I pray this video never goes viral or gains any traction because you will be swarmed with a bunch of normies. Already there are some just based off reading the comments. I think post-timeskip is when the show's "Marvelization" kicked into gear and it has not stopped ever since. Just like you, I slogged through Wano and dropped the series after it ended. I'm hoping the ending will be bring back some of themes and writing choices from pre-timeskip, but I don't have much faith in Oda or his team. After all, they have been following the money for ten years now. Unfortunately, OP has a very toxic normie community and I don't really like those kinds of spaces. Feels like I'm talking to mouthbreathers. If you're looking for a more serious anime I can recommend you Dororo. Have a good one and don't be discouraged! Snobby or bad faith is just what people call others who have better taste than them.
your arguments are debatable and I disagree with some of them, i miss pre-time skip but... post-time skip is so much better both in terms of story and fun, idk to me one piece is only getting better and better, it has it's lows and highs in every arc post-time skip but yet I can't stop watching it i agree with your characters not shining post-time skip take, like usopp has been a disappointment except for in dressrosa, hopefully he will shine in elbaf ulti is awesome, sometimes u don't need character development to enjoy the character, katakuri for example is a pure badass and we like him for his personality and badassery
Of we keep focusing on strawhats then story won't move forward, they will get power ups in future, remember onepiece is and will be pretty long everything needs to be re-addressed
This arc doesn’t introduce enough characters. This arc introduces too much characters This isn’t a fact. It’s an opinion if you don’t like the story Eiichiro Oda made then don’t fkin read it? Lmao
@thermaltyrant2070 The problem is that the arcs don't develop characters. What is the point of adding 100+ characters if we are given no reason to care about them? It should be QUALITY over QUANTITY. You don't need to dickride Oda to enjoy One Piece. You can like One Piece and still point out it's flaws like normal people do. Don't make One Piece your entire personality. Also, Kaido is a mid villian, he has no depth and he is just big strong man that likes violence. Stop gaslighting the audience into believing Kaido is a fleshed out character because he isn't.
I don’t think the subtlety of his character came trough in the story clearly enough, nor do I think it played a big part in the story. Also think there are some inconsistencies, I mentioned some in the video
@@KumoBear12 Fair opinion to have, I agree he should’ve been more straightforwardly put, especially cause One Piece isn’t shy to doing that with characters, but I think that it is still there and while it’s hard to find, I don’t know if that’s a negative to his character y’know. Like he’s just not as you put it with him being strongman caveman
Imo, I like post timeskip alot still, I loved dressrosa, wholecake island for example. However, wano...wano is when i really started to be disinterested in the story. I remember years ago I caught up to the anime, and then started reading wano. Many flaws were prominent, from the flimsy, weightless stakes of the story, bad art, too many sub plots going on, making more important events seem like forever to get to, and the characters I could not really care about.
I feel like the pre time skip had a bigger focus on character development and exploration/fun, and then post time skip has bigger focus on worldbuilding and politics. Neither of these are inherently better, and of course each of them has a good amount of the other sprinkled in. Thats just what I feel like is the focus.
"One Piece starts incredibly good".. that's where you lose me. I started One Piece at age 35 and my god is that show such a living hell up until Water7. But once Water7 gets going, no regrets. So far I enjoy everything post time skip much more than prior (except for Water7 and impel down)
I started One Piece at age 35 took you that long to learn how to read its anime its going have boring as filler when anime gets to close to manga look at dragonball bleach Naruto all had to pad out episodes 4 chapters of a manga barely covers one episode of anime why you think they going back and doing it with better animation and no filler kinda like dragonball kai where they cut ton of filler and shorted the anime ep count by ton one piece doing same but with new animation
I completely agree. And when I say these things I get so much hate, but honestly people are so blind, they cannot see the difference or they praise the post timeskip era more. One Piece was about many things and it now turned into a pure battle manga where the guy with flashier haki or flashier aura is the best and nothing else matters. I mean, come oon. Hopefully Elbaf fixes these. I liked that start so far.
@@Yhwach-g1s He doesn't even have to state he is a jujutsu kaisen fan at all. He has a Gojo profile picture. Actions speak louder than words. If someone has to tell you something obvious, you're slow.
Part of it also has to do with Dragonball Super being released around the same time as Dressrosa, Zhou and Whole Cake Island. Because of this, the anime had to be dragged out more and a lot of their animators got taken to work on that piece of shit.
post time skip is better overall with facts and storys also the final saga will be the best arc in anime/manga even fiction and maybe media or rarely even pop culture but i get what you are trying to say the pre time skip just hid different there was no haki no complexity it was just the straw hats sailing and going on adventures pre times skip was more enjoyable
Oda became a corporate sell out After timeskip that's happened because Marineford was like massive boost for one piece popularity and sales It was demon slayer lvl event of early 2010s He wasn't just writing for enjoyment after that and shuiesha decided to give him more freedom which leads to his creativity over flowing He introduced unnecessary number of characters and wasted them as well as strawhats We can see him regaining his passion after he start to getting involved in Live action and post wano because its straight line after here We have most of set up we need a psy off little by little Dude is like free bird now We get less chapters per yr but its fine Wano was the Lowest point of him as a writer
I find a lot of these takes very dishonest. Brook is the single reason why they were able to complete their second mission on Whole Cake.
I want more franky😭, if he did more he’d probably be my fav straw hat
Franky vs senor pink?Franky badass moments in egghead?literally saved luffy from saturn
@@sarov7658 that was the only good fight that franky had and the fight against the triceratops was good but it wasn’t like franky vs Senior pink
@@aaroncrawford3556 pre ts he didn't have even that lol Franky Shogun is cooler than anything Franky has done before that but then again fights aren't what makes strawhats likeable or great besides the monster trio mayb
10:03 Brook did nothing??? 😮That man was the MVP of Whole Cake Island. I feel like he got some development in terms coming into his own as fighter and Senior Straw Hat officer
A lot of the one piece fanbase had mixed feelings about Kaido. One half thinks he’s boring and the other thinks he’s well written and very deep.
Yup, although I feel one piece fans generally have pretty varying opinions on everything in the story
Bro DID YOU EVEN WATCH ONE PIECE???
There is no way bro said my goat Brook didn't do anything in WCI. He literally fought big mom and clutched poneglyph prints you cant be serious 😭 him revealing himself infornt of big mom by tearing off his mask after breaking the photo is one of the coldest moments in the series
And don't even say it was purely action. "Death is never a part of the plan" Is a great extension to his moral code since thriller bark which was "Death is never an apology". Honestly WCI is the arc I like most because of character development u tripping with this take fr fr. (also can't forget about jinber 🐐)
Those aren't character moments though they're cool but anyone could have done that and it would have been cool That's not really a moment of personal growth or an interesting aspect of his character It's just a cool thing that he did
Lets ratio the video with this comment fr fr
@@bradyharpe6051 Not many people wouldev stood up to big mom like he did The showcase of bravery and resolve, as well as the unwillingness to sacrifice is a expression of his character.
Also Literally no one else could've clutched the poneglifs like he did, like remember big mom had a full body check up on brook, it's only because brook is brook that he is able to hide the pone glifs in his skull, giving him specific importance and not something "anyone can do".
And his speech about death is a great extension of moral code, very symbolic to him, an undead skeleton living just to fulfil a promise.
@@bradyharpe6051not anyone can do that.. If they could, oda would have intended that to happen
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Hordy not having personal experience of hating humans IS LITERALLY THE POINT OF HIS CHARACTER
Yeah I acknowledged that in the video
@@KumoBear12 I was typing as I watched (Edit) You did NOT acknowledge this in the video, I thought you did but Upon rewatching that part I realized you just said "This happens in real life too" Which is not "Acknoledgement" of his writing rather just calling it a realistic possibility.
My mistake was thinking I made a mistake.
@@xandex69then don’t be so aggressive with your comments
@@ImBigPizza Im just typing as I watch bro
@xandex69 why don't you finish the video before you start making statements
Everything you said was accurate except that Brook did nothing in Whole Cake 😅 he was the MVP of that arc lol
Except for every villain post-timeskip isn’t as good as Crocodile or Arlong oh man that’s insane, Kaido, Big Mom, York, Saturn, whatttttt
@@O.Reagano I love york but aint no way u said she is a better villain than croc and arlong 😭also you forgot katakuri
@@O.Reagano neither kaido, nor big mom, nor york (lmao) or saturn are anywhere as good as crocodile or arlong. He is still kinda wrong tho bcoz doffy is the best arc villain in the series
He isn’t accurate in most he only got3 right
bro went like 0\1000
I honestly prefer One Piece after the time skip, I was younger and much more impatient so on my first watch through of one piece I skipped A LOT of the pre timeskip stuff because I was so deathly bored, now as I grew older it grew on me but I wouldnt have bothered watching if not for the timeskip
@@minisnakali exactly, i nearly died of boredom in Water7 and Skypea to this day feels like a bad dream…horrendous arc
@@breakhammer87 How is water seven a bad arc
@@breakhammer87 To this day I still haven't actually watched Skypia, I literally can't get through it, I've tried, I really have but I can't its so boring to me, I only know what happened because I've read summaries of what happened
@@minisnakali maybe One Piece just isn't for you
valid criticism, but looking at the latest chapter, it seems like elbaf will have strawhats as their focal point.
Man i hope so. This arc is suppossed to be about usopp but im scared oda will shift it to focus more on nika. He set up alot of nika lore for elbaf since the reveal
We’ll see but based on the past few arcs, I have a hard time believing that
I will love to see story about nika@@Leonkennedy19992
Chopper still has his hat just under the new one oda said in a sbs
Yeah he acknowledged that
@@nvmartin He said that in the video but only for like a few frames for some reason
I love Big Mom and Kaido. They, and other characters, obtain their status in somewhat realistic ways. They are very strong, but a big chunk of their power comes from networking and reputation. I think they are perfect for the direction the story is going with talking about a new generation. In the current state of the world, even Buggy was able to fail upward based on who he knew and being in the right place at the right time.
As far as Big Mom and Kaido go, they also had a comfy thing going. Both they and Doflamingo had safe haven home bases, built up reputation and armies, government insiders. They had a good, reliable network in gun and smile trading, money flowing in constantly. Caesar safely tucked away to do experiments to generate even more income. None of them had to actually fight for a long time and coasted by on reputations of brutality. They all started channeling their energy into side projects and family drama and were truly just local warlords living in palaces while doing twisted things to their people. The grunts were the only ones in any real danger during day to day business. So their inner circles were all pretty comfortable too.
The worst generation is shaking up these power structures that have been established for decades. I like these arcs and characters. I think the story is doing exactly what it needs to. But I do give props for how you presented your opinions. Very to the point.
@@Hallucinagene I just feel like Kaido and Big mom were throw away vilains
I agree with this video. After post time skip, all the Strawhats outside of Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro, don't get to do anything. Oda literally admitted in a SBS that the other Strawhats are progressing towards their dreams, but only off screen. He also admitted to not taking the story as seriously anymore and wanting to go for more a disney like ending, maybe because of burnout?
I think the issue is that Oda isn't given enough time to plan out his story anymore. Wano is one of the worst arcs because of how many plot lines Oda dropped so he can rush the ending of the arc. If Oda was given weeks or months breaks to plan out the story, I think post time skip would have the potential to be one of the best manga sagas of all time.
I find it cringe how One Piece fans will simply just say "you didin't even watch the show" when these criticisms can only be made if you actually watched/read the series in it's entirety. It's okay to criticize One Piece, criticizing One Piece is not hating one One Piece. One Piece is not flawless, post-time skip proves how flawed the story is.
I agree that maybe it would be nice if Oda had longer breaks between chapters
I agree with the wano plot lines take, but I think after egghead its safe to say oda is back to handling multiple plotlines as well as humanly possible (makes sense cause he is taking a lot more breaks now lol) Wano is the only arc that has that problem tho, it was too big even for one piece, Im gonna assume "did you even watch the show" is directed at one of my other comments lol, have you ever heard of the term called "hyperbole"?
Sanji whole cake moments usopp dressrosa moments nami wano luffy pirate king dialogue moments Franky senor pink nd egghead mvp moments yal have short time memory loss
@sarov7658 Wow... you named a few solitary moments out of hundreds of chapters contained these arcs...
@@Kami.Asura000 There are hundereds
Bro heavy On "I turn it page and sigh" it genuinely a pain to read the manga sometimes they will reveal some major in universe lore and I won't even realize because I got confused in the order I'm supposed to read it in
These comments make me think One Piece fans can't read honestly
I’ve interacted with one piece fans before. If this is the worst you’ve ever seen them consider yourself lucky
What?
???? Huh what are you blabbering about
@@SilverSurfer1966 I can't write it any simpler, ask ChatGPT what I mean
Pretty valid take. Post time skip has less of a focus on the straw hats as a whole. They are our protagonists, I can't blame you for wanting more. But imo, most of them already completed their emotional arc of the series. Only one who we truly didn't get any for is jinbe, the only strawhat who officially joined post timeskip. And he's basically the most emotionally secure one on the crew, i dont think there's much to explore.
People praise one piece to the high heavens for its story and world building. But I don't think any of it would matter without the characters. Water 7 is still my favourite shonen arc for what it did with Ussop. And every strawhat had a similar stretch of chapters pre timeskip. The only strawhat moments which truly stuck with me like the pre time skip were franky in dressrosa and sanji in WCI.
But imo, one piece is still one piece. Its still a character focused series, just different characters now. Fishman island is a fine arc, i don't mind it. My least favourite one piece arcs being before and after the summit war seems pretty deliberate anyway. Punk hazzard is a good setup arc and the series finally returned to its roots in dressrora.
Everything with doflamingo, riku, rebecca, mr pink, law is amazingly done. While the pacing was rough and there were too many characters, the few in focus were remarkably written. Just as well as the pre timeskip strawhats.
Imo oda set himself up for slight failure by creating such a vaste world. It's true that there are way too many characters, but without them it will hurt the immersion. One thing i absolutely hate about stories with the stakes being the world ending or something, is that it only focuses on a few characters. A few nobodies that for some reason decide the fate of the world. It completely breaks immersion. Only series which managed to pull this off is imo Avatar and Gurren Laggan. The latter just made the stakes absurdly high it just came full circle
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Oda might've realised this, and even if he didn't I'm glad he makes up a lot of characters for each arc. It makes the stakes feel more believable, that it rightfully involves thousands in each island, and what the crew achieves in each island holds more weight.
Continuing with the characters, Zou had some great moments with the mink leaders (forgor names). WCI was finally another straw hat focused arc and oda delivered. Sanji, pudding, katakuri and big mom were done amazingly. It's true that there wanst much of an ideologically conflict, i think she carried it on her own. The world gave her the worst and she wanted to make it better. But she was so twisted from childhood, that her perfect world is nothing more than a parody of equality. It was amazingly done, one of the best op villains imo.
The comes my third favourite stretch of chapters in the series, the oden flashback. While i think wano as a whole was a let down, what oda did here more than makes up for it. It did so much for the lore an gave us one of the best one piece back stories. Oden is the chad character done to perfection. Momo became a worthy son of his near the end of the arc and yamato more than deserved to carry out his legacy.
And now the latest arc had my second favourite stretch of chapters in the series, the Kuma flashback. The suffering he went through but his willingness to keep going honestly pushed me out of a pretty bad place. Even after "death" his will lives strong in him. The most strong willed character thus far, and definitely best dad. Vegapunk was a second favourite. How his greed for more knowledge led to his downfall was explored well.
Aside from the main focused characters, most other side characters also had development post ts. Buggy's friendship with shanks, Kizaru and Aokiji's justice, the grand fleet ect.
While I missed Oda's focus on the crew I think he more than made up for it by exploring the rest of the world. What makes pre timeskip better is each arc being more cohesive. But with the world he created, i dont think oda has any other choice but to cram stuff into each arc. That also effects the panelling sadly. These are personally my only complaints.
Damn nice take but make a blog bro
Wonderful response dude the focus is the world now and we’ve been introduced to the strawhats and we get to see how they truly affect the world thru the experiences we have thru diff characters lowkey this vid was a bit of a bummer had some good points but this comment flipped it thanks for taking the time to type this
Thank you bro that's what I was saying Pre timeskip is heavily strawhat focused because it was a time development for the strawhats
Yeah, it's controversial but the whole point of crews like the Straw Hats is they're largely the people they're meant to be and most of their arc has already occurred. In smaller casts, you expect them to become completely different people.
I feel like nothing is really being said in a lot of this video. I mostly agree with the strawhats part (minus brook being useless in WCI), but a lot of the time I just feel like you’re saying “this is something that happened post timeskip. Remember this thing from pre timeskip? That was much better”. I think it’s also worth mentioning the non-strawhat characters that got way better post-timeskip. Law, Kuma, Roger, Doflamingo, Aokiji, and Koby all have much more meaningful story arcs post timeskip.
The post timeskip era also has inarguably some of the best flashbacks in the series. If someone were to say their top 3 flashbacks were all from post timeskip, I wouldn’t agree, but I would not bat an eye.
A lot of the character examples in this video also feel cherrypicked. Let’s remember that pre timeskip had Moria, the four priests, Johnny and Yosaku, and Absalom. Post timeskip has Odin, Vegapunk, Bartolomeo, Pedro, Morgans… there’s lots of good and lots of mid on both ends.
Also I gotta say, criticizing the Akazaya 9 for “all being introduced at once” (they weren’t) while ALSO criticizing Kinémon for being around too long… which one is it? Kinda contradictory. Also, a group of 9 new characters all being introduced at once… that describes the Supernovas from Saboady better then the Akazaya 9, lol.
Idk maybe I’m just riding the high of Egghead wrapping up and being my favorite arc in all of One Piece but this video is a massive miss for me.
I appreciate the critisism! Although I do disagree with a lot of it. Yes I bring up a lot of things from the pre time skip that was better, because that\s the point of the video. But whenever I brought those things up, I feel like I gave reasons for it, like choppers monster point, usopp and nami's fighting style, nami's fight with ulti, the crew splitting up. There is like one time I remember of the top of my head when I talk about franky's strong right, but even then I had just finished explaining why I didn't like him getting a bunch more powerups. So I don't really know what you mean in that regard. I am cherrypicking a little bit, but that's because my point is that the timeskip is worse, not bad. I do bring up the fact that a lot of villains pre time skip also aren't that great, because at no point am I saying pre time skip it's perfect, only better, not even by a huge amount. Also Johnny and Yosaku were goated lol. And I don't think I ever said the akazaya nine got introduced all at once? If I did then please correct me. I said they were new, which I guess isn't technically true because two of them we had already met, so 7 new characters then I guess? And I don't think comparing them to the supernovas is fair at all. The supernovas were around for like a tenth of the length of wano, and the story never really had a focus on them in that arc. Not even law, he didn't get focused on until after the timeskip. They were not the sympatethic heroes of a 150 chapter long arc. I appreciate the critisism but I don't agree lol
ok let's make this clear, character development is a good thing, BUT... u don't need it, characters DON'T have to change who they are, u can simply like them for their personality, if we apply this logic than straw hats really don't need more character development, they already had it, they should just be themselves
like... it would be cool if zoro had a big arc like sanji had in WCI but... people love zoro for who he is and not for his past, zoro is a strong badass who occasionally says badass lines, and people love it
I agree, character development isn’t always necessary. But if you have no development for any of the characters, that’s not very fun to me
@@KumoBear12 to each their own, yeh
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That's not necessary but it always depends on the type of characters you wanna focus that aspect on, like, it's really different to talk about a character of a 1:30 movie, even a protagonist from a short series to not need any kind of development, than all of the protagonists of a HECKIN MORE THAN 1000 CHAPTER SERIES where they're still all very young people (with maybe the exception of Jinbe) and it's crazy to think that they wouldn't change at all while in the huge adventure and obstacles they get through.
BRO CHOPPER DIDNT GET RID OF HIS HAT HE PUT SOMETHING OVER IT
"Something"
@@KumoBear12what?
End of pre timeskip straw hats were the same amount as all of post timeskip yet each straw hat were doing something memorable in water 7/ thrillerbark/ and sabaody but in post timeskip it’s truly a tragedy
Correction Kuro is a fantastic character. Simple but fantastic
I’ll agree that he’s pretty good
I personally don't have the time to rebuttal everything you said, and some of them I do agree with, but you downplayed way too many things.
Strawhat character development is slow and subtle in most story beats and their power increases follow that same trend, with exception to Luffy's Gears.
Villains getting worse, yes Hordy wasn't the best villain but he served his purpose well if you know how to find it, Creaser was a stepping stone villain to Joker/Doffy, you skipped my boi Katakuri, the Doffy from another mother, and Kaido was a depressed "might makes right" warrior.
Brook was a chad when he destroyed the picture of Mother Caramel, but Jimbei took the cake moments later.
Nami vs Ulti was a rehash of Nami vs Enel, but repeated actions become habits and Nami almost caved in.
Demon Robin... why did you disregard that amazing powerup and say it's was meh, only to say the Strawhats aren't getting good powerups?
I don't own the manga but Totally not Mark agrees with you on the poor paneling, and the pics both of you guys have shown leads me to believe you guys.
Chopper got his moment on Zou not Whole Cake. (He has been regulated as the cute captain after all.)
There's a kernel of truth in all your criticisms... but the issue is the extreme exaggeration and generalizations you're making to support your argument. You conveniently dismiss all the examples that don't suit the agenda you're pushing.
I think most sane people understand I’m exaggerating on purpose tho
@@KumoBear12 ironically, that's the same argument pathological liars like Usopp always use whenever they get called out for lying
@@TheRockerX lol? It’s really just to make the video more funny. That’s just the style of videos I like to make🤷♂️
2:01 She actually did do something. In Wano she fought Ulti and she was getting forced to say Kaido will become king of the pirates but instead she kept saying Luffy will become king of the pirates over and over again with Ulti smashing her hard head into Nami’s head. So she did a lot of things at Wano. Then at Whole Cake she was Standing On Business when she confronted Sanji for fighting Luffy.
I feel like we get less of the straw hats because their characters are complete and have been explored well enough
one of my main problems was the humour. The humour pre TS was so good especially when zoro was involved. Think back to skypiea AAAH, getting lost in sabaody, scaring everyone when they were descending from skypiea, hitting that cool ass pose in little garden. Now zoro just grunts and occasionally gets lost for gags.
Chopper used to be funny too. Now I hate chopper's voice in the anime cuz it is just way too annoying after hearing "don't praise me dumbass" for the millionth time without any other joke being there.
Let's not even get started on Usopp being the funniest character pre TS. But post TS i can't remember a single Usopp joke at all other than him being scared ig.
This is true because the gags were still somewhat new and fresh at that point. But for some reason oda just keeps going with the same gags, so they get kinda old. He still manages to impress me with how he’s able to tell the same jokes in different and new ways tho
@@KumoBear12 it's not just gags that were there pre-TS. Oda had unique jokes too. He did use gags but he added full on unique jokes on top of that. Like Usopp and Luffy bowing to that bear in Drum Island. Sanji and Nami being scared of bugs in Jaya. Bananagator from Alabasta. Now it just is either character gags (brook panties, sanji pervert, zoro lost, nami money) or what feels like idea of jokes.
I genuinely can't think of a single moment that made me burst out laughing in post TS. Idk maybe he felt the series should get a bit serious so he dropped all the jokes and kept only the gags to keep it going.
Yeah that’s true
I just thought of that one moment in wano tho, when the grim reaper himself shows up to take zoro. That shit was hilarious
@@dfactoropbr tbh i've never found myself laughing at any of the jokes in One Piece, I prefer the more serious tone it's taken, and i'm fine with most of the gags besides Sanji's, that stuff is just weird and annoying.
That “diaper” is Choppers hat read the sbs for this extra info. But you did say you don’t like reading a lot of text so never mind.
SBS: I am aware you put the information in the video but you added it in like Oda afterwards without properly addressing it so to quote you “it’s just weird”
Ironically your the one who didn’t read the text I put up as I said that about chopper💀
@@KumoBear12So I was listening to the video and not watching it, so I went back to watch and then apologize but the shit was on screen for like a second. Edit it and address it verbally in the video, you did the same thing Oda did. You pulled an SBS didn’t address it in the video and put the info as text in the video later.
@@joy4themightydonutchainsaw620 Yeah because it's obvious that im just making a joke. If I had to pause everytime I make a joke to clarify, that wouldn't be very fun
@@KumoBear12 So we just both yapping
I can only say that you are watching and reading One Piece in a very superficial way, and by the way, Blackbeard was not a Yonkou in Pre-Timeskip, he was still the new Shichibukai at Marine Ford, then he became Whitebeard’s “replacement”. And Big Mom and Kaido are not Mid; each of them has an explanation of their past and why they are like that (especially Big Mom being abandoned by her parents and manipulated by Mother Caramel and Streusen). I can say more about Big Mom, but I’m going to focus on Kaido because I think a lot of people don’t understand him and that’s why they see him as a flat character. He, a person of oni race, was forced to work as a soldier since he was a child, he was not really free, then he became, with Big Mom, part of The Rocks pirates, but he wanted to prove more to the world that he was the strongest, and not someone you can take advantage of. He lived in a poor country and the governments of his country used his strength for their convenience, they even wanted to sell him to the marines, so they could get to Reverie, obviously Kaido escaped. Later when the government captured him, they experimented on him to research his fruit. He never experienced freedom in his life and he realized that people with power were weaker than him, that’s why he has the idea that he needs to change those positions, that this time the strongest will be on top, not the common people. Knowing that King reinforces that thought because King wanted Kaido to become Joy Boy, then he has this contrast in his personality where he gets depressed and nostalgic, you can interpret this as his vulnerable side after experiencing all those bad things that he hides and keeps to himself. Also, Kin being a lunarian is important to the main story (the seraphim were created thanks to his genes). And I could also talk about each of the stwahats and other characters but it’s not worth it because you don’t analyze or interpret anything.
Yeah that’s pretty mid to me, when thinking about how these aspects failed to have any real impact or influence on the story
@@KumoBear12They do though, you just obviously can't read further into a story than what's shown and told to you directly on screen, like a kid in 3rd grade. Kaido's story and the way his character operates morally and thematically acts as a bridge between Luffy (and the current generation of pirates as a whole), and the old generation. He stands as one of the last greats of his age, and encapsulates the worst parts of it. By facing and defeating him in wano, the way Luffy and his crew view the world and are viewed by it becomes much more than just that of rookie pirates journeying across the Grandline. It becomes a story of political interests, serious moral implications, and makes you have to actually sit back and think about things before you fully understand them. Sure, it's not a whimsical and full of fun and funny character moments and gags 24/7, but the story is maturing and aging with its audience. Not saying none of your points are valid, but you seem to have watched OP in a very superficial way.
@@BlitzTheOissilent867 Notice how you didn't even adress what I said in the comment
@@KumoBear12 Dude, I spent 10 minutes typing that earlier comment. I'm not spending another 20 breaking down all of post timeskip in a way that the narrative would make sense to a preschooler. Just stop being dumb and think about things for more than 2 seconds, it not really difficult man.
@@KumoBear12if you think this is all mid then I wonder what you think about Jjk? You probably think it’s the best thing to grace the earth don’t you?😂 it’s what I’d expect from Jjk fans tho honestly.
One piece fans being toxic for saying an opinion lmao
Half agree post timeskip has worse pacing and the strawhats getting shafted
But i say lore wise and worldbuilding wise its been peak
I think there has definitely been more lore and world building, but I think the world building suffers sometimes because the new characters in those worlds aren’t always that good like I said in the video. Skypiea had incredible world building while not having that many characters
It doesn’t have more lore jusy think about what your saying😭 pre time skip was the set up to lost of the lore your thinking you’re just getting now be if you understand sub text a lot of the shit revealed later on was already heavily hinted at.
Finally someone said it, the character designs were way better in pre time skip
Yeah, less is more in this case
Nostalgia tards aside there are some designs in postts and prets I prefer over others lik usopp Zoro post ts> Franky(minus Shogun)pre ts better
@@phillemon7664 Franky stuff makes it exaggerated luffy has scar which symbolise the whole war zoro looks cooler wit scar usopp is more jacked there is half good half bad
@@sarov7658imo, robins design is also much cooler PTS, and brooks design is also much cooler PTS
@@waffleenjoyer-re3pg what I didn't know brook grew more bones in post ts lol and robin didn't have any change besides her boobs growing bigger which is more exaggerated in anime
This video belongs on r/piratefolk
One piece is mostly plot-driven and focuses around how the strawhats affect the world around them, rather than how the world changes them as a character. The thing with post time-skip is that there are simply too many characters that it makes it difficult to make everyone feel relevant. Also when the plot moves forward, especially in a shounen, characters do need some sort of progression to stay relevant. The problem is not that the strawhats don't change on a fundamental level (like some people critique one piece for), but simply that characters don't stay relevant. This wouldn't be as much as a problem if the arcs focused more on the strawhats themselves, but each island tends to have their own characters that come with it and in cases like Dressrosa and Wano, there isn't a good balance between the newer characters and the strawhats.
I think Kaido is a little bit more nuanced than that, but not by much. He is depressed and wants to die, but essentially he just doesn't want to do anything because he is dead inside I think, they could have at least made him wonder around randomly and give him some personal moments where he struggles with his existence, trying to make sense of his life and realizing that he only has strength and that's why he wants to cause a massive wars, or make his past even more traumatic (perhaps making him a chained gladiator forced to fight for years to stay alive for the amusement of others, just a tought but I think that would be a bit more interesting than what we got). Yeah, kind of wasted potential for a character that could have been so much more, and someone many people would have been able to relate with at least on the depression part
Just started watching your video.
Honestly speaking I think the peak of the strawhats as a crew was Enies Lobby, when Franky and Robin just joined up. I remember watching the One piece Strong world movie and thinking how cool pre timeskip Franky was. I feel like the core crew could have stayed being 8 and instead Oda could have told the story of Brook similar to Jinbe. You explore parts of Brook's story in an arc, for whatever reason he can't immediately join the crew but is an honorary member but you find arcs where you can continue telling Brooks story until he can join the crew somewhat fully fleshed out. No hate to brook but Oda hasn't done him any favours having him be on the crew and not doing much with him. If you have only about 8 core crew members for most of pre timeskip until the final war, they you might and I say might have more opportunities for good character work. I mean Oda did do it once before
Imma be honest it’s definitely a u thing
It’s like u want then to stay stagnant and not grow but i do agree with u on ussop and monster point chopper other then that im say its a u thing
Soo yeh definitely a u think
Thing
Yup, that’s why I made the video
@@NICO.DCRUZEAlso to add frank to that list
Just read the manga dawg. Anime is ass. Manga is PEAK!
Check my last one piece video
Of course a Gojo Pfp would have a terrible take on One Piece
Of course a Luffy pfp would hate every other manga/anime
@@SkullFC-19 when did I say I hate every other anime/manga 😂
@@SkullFC-19it would actually make sense to consume other shorter series before a long one. You should be able to deduce that much at least.
@@ToonLoBrowell when did he say he was a jjk fan?
@@ToonLoBrouse ur brain
While there are a lot of things I like about the Time Skip, I also feel like there are things from the pre-Time Skip that has been lost. It just feels different from the first half.
It got better after the timeskip
Bigger World
More Haki powers combined with Devil fruits
Plot is Going crazy with the threads oda set up
Just because a Character is finished developing doesn't mean they should be written out
You undervalued pudding too much especially with her place now
Hordy have no reason is kind of the point and we're not meant to see him change
The Adventure has more focus and direction since they have the rubbings
I agree with all the potives you said, still its not better than pre time skip (egghead was top 3 arc tho)
@@xandex69 I still think it's better
@@murderman8578 Your opinion at the end of the day
@xandex69 timeskip is better but carry on yappin
Short answer: It didn’t
Long answer: It did, and this video explains it really well.
@@phillemon7664
It did.
I feel like half of the people in the comment section didn't even watch the full video
BROOOOO YOU ARE SOO RIGHT WITH NAMI AND ROBIN!
I hate to admit it as long time one piece fan but he is totally right
He isn't tho
@@SilverSurfer1966Bro said Usopp's new design isn't as good as the original. Excuse me, what!?
Best design for the New World *100%* goes to Usopp. I love that Oda seriously buffed him up and changed up the ugly brown overalls that's been with him since Syrup Village. It's not to say he didn't change up his outfits in other arcs like Drum Island, Alabasta, Enies Lobby (praise Sogeking), Thriller Bark, and Sabaody, but aside from those, Usopp just wore a variation of those bland overalls with something like a shirt underneath it (Skypiea and Post-Enies Lobby). Even with arcs like Enies Lobby or Thriller Bark, Usopp *STILL* has his brown overalls and is just wearing a variation that has something slapped onto it for the arc, but I can make an exception for our savior, Sogeking.
That, and I find his Pop Greens to be a much more interesting form of ammunition than his Sunflower Star, rocks, eggs, and lead shots. He really made the effort to push himself and said that when he traveled to the more dangerous parts of the Boin Archipelago, he found better and stronger Pop Greens to use as ammo. I still love the Pine Cone Grenades and Fireworks Flowers. Think about it: Kuma sent Usopp to an island full of highly combustible seeds and plants that wanted to eat him and expected him to come back alive. Given the results, that's crazy.
The only thing I do agree with is the pacing, even in the anime. The escape from Whole Cake Chateau in the anime dragged on longer than we needed it to. It's true, the characters don't get a lot of focus as much as they used to, like when the crew has to split up into groups, and I definitely felt that during Whole Cake Island. As much as I love characters like Nami, Chopper, Sanji, and *ESPECIALLY* Brook in that arc, I already missed the rest of the crew and was ready to join them again in Wano because the Sanji Retrieval Team was already an eyesore for me. So, imagine how giddy I was when I finally saw Zoro just strolling through one of the markets in Wano? It had been far too long and I couldn't have been happier to see everyone else. That, and I was sick of those Germa 66 bigots (except for Reiju). I only wish Sanji had given them, especially Judge, a good beating. He didn't get hurt enough for my liking, and while I understand Sanji's character arc in WCI boils down to feeding Big Mom because he's a chef first and foremost, I still wish he got to do a bit more kicking. I just wanted Sanji to give Judge and his brothers a few more kicks to their brains (if they even had any 😒). He's also right about Usopp not getting much time to shine. The most he's done up to this point was shoot down Sugar by unlocking Observation Haki in Dressrosa and keep Page One at bay during Wano, but it was ultimately Big Mom who took him out. Here's to hoping Elbaf will treat him better.
Also, what's this about Nami's Climatact? Of course it's become much more simple to use. It's been upgraded with Weatheria technology, so of course she would find a way to fight much easier, i.e. Weather Eggs and chains of thunder clouds. Even Usopp didn't get rid of his Dials from Skypiea. They've been incorporated into his slingshot, so it's not like they've been forgotten about.
At least, that's how I see all this.
they hated jesus because he told the truth
😂
Don’t agree at but it’s your opinion
Put the pots in the cabinet bro
I both agree and disagree as Dressrosa and Whole Cake Island do a great job of fleshing and expanding upon the casts they have for their respective stories, its pretty hard to miss actually 😅. Wano however, I agree, outside The Monster Trio and kinda-sorta Robin, I feel like the remaining Straw Hats kinda got shafted, especially towards the climax as it felt like Oda very much poured that energy into fleshing out Oden and The Era of Roger not really focusing on the development on the rest of the cast.
I think it's a combination of so many sub-plots, but also I don't think Oda really knows where his going or what he wants to do with these many sub-plots he started. Before, Oda was very careful to leave things vague and theory-piecers can have a ball filling our heads with what this or that eye-twitch means. But as the story winds down we're not seeing much more meaning to anything and the explanations we do get aren't very satisfactory. Worse...I'm not sure they really fit together all that well.
Egghead was supposed to be the place where I was really hoping to find answers because who better than the SMARTEST MAN IN THE WORLD, connected to the strongest faction of the world and the very height of power? All we got was some Bonney-simp. THAT guy is the worse let down in One Piece to me.
We'll see...
Exactly, it's the Island Of The Future, we shove at least given Franky a major sub plot I. This arc, Vegapunk Is his hero and his Inspiration, yet they barely interact with each other, it's sad
I been saying this I felt like I was the only one Franky looks so god damn dumb post time skip
xandex69 pouring his heart and soul into these comments
This all feels like YOU problem.
Answer: it didn't
Your take on brook in whole cake island is valid. He was one of the key players in terms of the action, but as usual, his character just stagnated
Think you might be the only person who agreed with me on that lmaoo
I have red until Punk Hazard so I dont have the whole insite. But I think part of the problem is your expectations. Since the crew gets bigger and bigger, you cant have all of them play a big role in every arc or maybe in any arc, some of them must be secondary figures. I agree that new characters are too menny and it becomes too messy. For me I lost a little interest in One Piece way back when Robin joined the crew in jaya, they become to menny and Robin joining the crew didn't seen believable until water seven. But when I think of it in another direction that the main characters are the east blue pirates, and must of all Luffy, then it make sense that all of the other doesn't get that much screen time. I don't know if Oda managed to do that in a proper way in later arcs, but I think you cant expect every strawhat to get their moment in every arc, the series is long as it is.
I’m 50/50 with your video so far ( 10:56 ), but it mostly may just be phrasing as most of the video still hasn’t played.
That said, I don’t actually think some of the straw hats need character development (Jinbe, Brook, and Franky mostly), however, I think what most people want is just more characterization. Not changing or developing their character, but getting them time to shine again-which is partly what makes adventure stories so fun, and with how soda writes his characters especially.. distinguishes One Piece from everything else that much more.
Bro, what are you talking about? Literally everyone says that One Piece is peak right now. Yes, there were some slower parts after the time jump, but you cannot generalise that One Piece got "worse" after the time skip. Overall, it got even better with more hype moments. And of course the main characters have to be more in focus than the others as the story progresses.
This comment proves that most One Piece fans dont understand opinions
Ig having such a long running story with an equally complex, grand worldbuilding, lead Oda to get lost in his own world. At least he's dead set on how the story ending🤷♀ Someone needs to teach Oda about the K.I.S.S framework
Edit: Don't interpret this wrong, Oda is still a phenomenal author & i shouldn't hafta defend it
WRONG. Egghead is arguably the best arc, and Wano is easily the best the anime has ever been.
Refreshing take. The only thing i disagree with was the brook and wholecake bit but ur pretty spot on with everything else.
Kinda felt the same to be honest at the start up until Dressrosa, but then you gotta realize that the story started really evolving past just the crew and post the time skip, the focus shifted more on the overall world plot as it obviously became bigger. I mean at this point majority of the crew have been fleshed out anyway. Haha.
Franky was ruined 😢😢😢
My boy 😔
My boy!!!! 😔
I also hate chopper being a mascot like look at me I’m pre timeskip
You lost me at "Brook does nothing" when talking WCI
10:05 HE LITERALLY FOUGHT BIG MOM WHAT DO YOU MEAN
Honestly I like old pre time skip better but they’re both very good it’s just new one a new form of good and style and animation they’re both so amazing tho and masterpiece in art
Oda turned Nami and Robin post-timeskip into walking s*x objects. It's sad he also white-washed Robin.
I couldnt agree more with all your points. Especially the lack of originality for the female characters, and the way post time skip is doing too much. It became so generic. Black then in the pre time skip, you could feel that adventure, and that the manga is centered around pirates. But more important, the anime was simple. Now we have ridiculous frames, like the galaxy impact, it's just too much, for nothing.
It's fair that you prefer pre-timeskip over post, but you're really underselling the post-timeskips story for what it is. You go on to say multiple times that characters have done "nothing" and then proceed to explain something very important that they do
(ex. Brook standing up to Big Mom and stealing the road poneglyphs).
I get that there's less big on screen moments for each straw hat but they all still have their own roles to fulfill, Dressrosa isn't an exception to how post-timeskip got worse, it never did. The focus has just shifted to a broader view of the world around the straw hats, and while that does mean less screen time for their moments, that doesn't mean they get "nothing" at all. It's fine that you prefer a smaller cast with more frequent moments but I don't think that equates to worse quality, each arc is plenty great on its own, they all have amazing moments throughout the story and build upon each other to reveal information to both us the readers, and the characters themselves. Hell, we even got one of the most heart-wrenching backstories of the series in Egghead.
TL;DR: One Pieces story didn't get worse after the timeskip, it just shifted its focus and while that may not be as interesting to some, many many many people love it just as much.
I speak in a kinda over exaggerated way, so "nothing" doesn’t literally mean nothing. It means "nothing compared to pre timeskip". Of course I’m aware of the different direction of the pts, but like I said in the video, the straw hats getting less to do wouldn’t have been as bad if the other problems I had weren’t there
Thriller Bark is one of my favorite arcs exactly because of how good the crew interactions were in that.
That's a big part of what I enjoyed in the series.
Then you should check out the video im posting tomorrow👀👀👀
Hey man I don’t know if you’re going to read this but I agree with some of your opinions there’s some other opinions I might disagree on but overall a good video and I can admit this one piece post timeskip didn’t start good until Dressrosa 💯
Literally my problem in post timeskip , Pretty strong points , id even like to point out how inconsistent the power scaling has gotten (i absolutely don't like to but ) ussop defeats sugar is the lamest possible way id think even at age 3 ,Luffy learned future sight -never actually used it , wasn't shown how kaido and bm were using it where they clearly should have , luffy learnt that we can coat and use conquerors haki just like armament haki and thats what is advanced conquerors haki - like talk about lazy writing
The stories too are very much try to copy Alabasta - like mass manipulation by Bon clay's ability , doffy by framing the king with his power like come up with smtg new oda
Whole cake island was the best post time skil arc for me tbh , I actually felt for some characters in that arc and it had some really good moments too
While that said ,egghead exceeded all my expectations and went crazy id expect the same from elbaph , i really think oda didn't want most of the post timeskip arcs he just made them for popularity and run , maybe thats why he said the egghead is the beginning of ebd
To be honest I don't have any thoughts on the power scaling stuff. While I think the action is really good, it has never been one of the main aspects I like about one piece. I couldn't tell you what the different haki powers even work except for some of them or which names are which powers lol
@@KumoBear12 i also don't actually care about power scaling but we can't deny it's a narrative tool and inconsistencies (especially like the sugar's lame defeat) in it really downgrade a story
@@debatexdebate Yeah but I meant like, I know so little about the power scaling stuff that I haven't even noticed the inconsistentcies your talking about. Like I thought usopp defeating sugar was fine
good video. I think a big problem now is that oda doesn't listen to editors anymore, so there is no one to stop him from introducing to much shit at once.
I prefer Nico Robin to be just a guest character in the crew.
I mean Oda shouldn’t make a specific villain for her to fight.
You lost me at "Boo Arc was always my favorite Arc in DBZ".. Literally the worst part of Dragonball is an example. WOW
"WAS"
Tbh i love pre timeskip but i love post timeskip as well. The only thing that i hate was the nika reveal. It had no foreshadowing and came out of nowhere. Oda desperately tried to link it back to past references by calling it sun god even though the sun doesnt have anything to do with luffys abilities just so fan can chew on it and claim oda foreshadowed it. Luffy having the rubber fruit would be way better
Now it seems like oda is focusing more on that than the other crew members. Franky could've had important character writing in egghead but instead we got more nika lore. Elbaf is supposed to be usopps arc but idk anymore since nika was written to have a important significance in elbaf now.
The biggest and one of the only foreshadowing we had that hinted at Luffy's fruit was not truly a paramecia, is how luffy displayed properties of the fruit that would not be possible if he was truly a paramecia type, like Luffy changing the course of his attack against Katakuri. Some people use example's like law's fruit or Kuma's fruit also having a bunch of weird properties, but those fruits are more abstract, while rubber is a simple concept. As for Nika it should've been introduced earlier, but I think the way that Oda has implemented it and especially in egghead makes it a good inclusion.
I wish you would have talked about the Nika fruit reveal/Sun God powerup 😢
Im honestly not entierly sure what to feel about that stuff tbh
@@KumoBear12 Me neither
Bruh, the part about side characters made me remember how bad i wanted Barto to join the crew! I like brooke and Jenbei but id trade both of them for Barto!
Agreed lol, or at least it would be cool if bartolomeo was more active in the story
Your last Point is spot on. One Piece just has to much text in the later parts.
Also people are shitting on Kubo because bleachs Story structure is to introduce 20 characters at the beginning of an arc, but Oda is not much better in that regard
I haven't watched the video yet, but it's probably going to be about the lack of focus on the Straw Hats in the post timeskip.
Which imo is fine, they had their arcs done in the first half of One Piece.
The second half should be focused more on wrapping up the story, and the endgame will have all the Straw Hats fulfulling their dreams, so they will get their focus again.
When it comes to Whole Cake, I personally found the new characters really good, so in that case it must be pretty subjective
For your sake, I pray this video never goes viral or gains any traction because you will be swarmed with a bunch of normies. Already there are some just based off reading the comments. I think post-timeskip is when the show's "Marvelization" kicked into gear and it has not stopped ever since. Just like you, I slogged through Wano and dropped the series after it ended. I'm hoping the ending will be bring back some of themes and writing choices from pre-timeskip, but I don't have much faith in Oda or his team. After all, they have been following the money for ten years now. Unfortunately, OP has a very toxic normie community and I don't really like those kinds of spaces. Feels like I'm talking to mouthbreathers. If you're looking for a more serious anime I can recommend you Dororo. Have a good one and don't be discouraged! Snobby or bad faith is just what people call others who have better taste than them.
your arguments are debatable and I disagree with some of them, i miss pre-time skip but... post-time skip is so much better both in terms of story and fun, idk to me one piece is only getting better and better, it has it's lows and highs in every arc post-time skip but yet I can't stop watching it
i agree with your characters not shining post-time skip take, like usopp has been a disappointment except for in dressrosa, hopefully he will shine in elbaf
ulti is awesome, sometimes u don't need character development to enjoy the character, katakuri for example is a pure badass and we like him for his personality and badassery
Of we keep focusing on strawhats then story won't move forward, they will get power ups in future, remember onepiece is and will be pretty long everything needs to be re-addressed
This arc doesn’t introduce enough characters.
This arc introduces too much characters
This isn’t a fact. It’s an opinion if you don’t like the story Eiichiro Oda made then don’t fkin read it? Lmao
You must have missed the like 4 times I said I really liked the post time skip
@@KumoBear12 you called kaido a mid villain who was probably top 3, the guy almost committed as much crimes as doffy
@thermaltyrant2070 The problem is that the arcs don't develop characters. What is the point of adding 100+ characters if we are given no reason to care about them? It should be QUALITY over QUANTITY.
You don't need to dickride Oda to enjoy One Piece. You can like One Piece and still point out it's flaws like normal people do. Don't make One Piece your entire personality.
Also, Kaido is a mid villian, he has no depth and he is just big strong man that likes violence. Stop gaslighting the audience into believing Kaido is a fleshed out character because he isn't.
@@user-tt6oe2th6b 👍
@@KumoBear12 it sounds like you hate this story
I think you misunderstand Kaido’s character very much, he’s one of the most subtlety written characters in the story but he’s so good
I don’t think the subtlety of his character came trough in the story clearly enough, nor do I think it played a big part in the story. Also think there are some inconsistencies, I mentioned some in the video
lmao you have to be trolling😭
@@KumoBear12 Fair opinion to have, I agree he should’ve been more straightforwardly put, especially cause One Piece isn’t shy to doing that with characters, but I think that it is still there and while it’s hard to find, I don’t know if that’s a negative to his character y’know.
Like he’s just not as you put it with him being strongman caveman
@@LilShiro05 Nah genuinely he’s good
Wano was mid, but Kaido was one of the best parts about it
@@O.Reagano
What's good about kaido?
Imo, I like post timeskip alot still, I loved dressrosa, wholecake island for example. However, wano...wano is when i really started to be disinterested in the story. I remember years ago I caught up to the anime, and then started reading wano. Many flaws were prominent, from the flimsy, weightless stakes of the story, bad art, too many sub plots going on, making more important events seem like forever to get to, and the characters I could not really care about.
Ok u cant lie, Brook went crazy in whole cake
I feel like the pre time skip had a bigger focus on character development and exploration/fun, and then post time skip has bigger focus on worldbuilding and politics. Neither of these are inherently better, and of course each of them has a good amount of the other sprinkled in. Thats just what I feel like is the focus.
To me, character development is inherently better than worldbuilding🤷♂
"One Piece starts incredibly good".. that's where you lose me. I started One Piece at age 35 and my god is that show such a living hell up until Water7. But once Water7 gets going, no regrets. So far I enjoy everything post time skip much more than prior (except for Water7 and impel down)
I started One Piece at age 35 took you that long to learn how to read
its anime its going have boring as filler when anime gets to close to manga look at dragonball bleach Naruto all had to pad out episodes 4 chapters of a manga barely covers one episode of anime
why you think they going back and doing it with better animation and no filler kinda like dragonball kai where they cut ton of filler and shorted the anime ep count by ton one piece doing same but with new animation
6:43 honestly I prefer Franky and Chopper’s old designs and abilities.
I completely agree. And when I say these things I get so much hate, but honestly people are so blind, they cannot see the difference or they praise the post timeskip era more. One Piece was about many things and it now turned into a pure battle manga where the guy with flashier haki or flashier aura is the best and nothing else matters. I mean, come oon. Hopefully Elbaf fixes these. I liked that start so far.
@@gemodemplay415 Doomers saying Ussop getting sidelined, like Franky was sidelined in Egghead.
Bro, kumas whole storyline disproves everything you said😂😂
Great video. If I have one criticism it would be to disagree with your one point of praise. Green bull SUCKED.
Im like a few volumes behind, so the only time I’ve seen him is at the end of wano. He seemed alright tho
coming from midjutsu kaisen fan
Wow no defense from anything in the video. The only thing u say is “midjutsu kaisen” and move on with ur day. Loser…
And when did he state he was a fan? U have a cat pfp but ur probably not a specific fan of that cat. Use the obvious clues ur brain gives u.
@@Yhwach-g1s He doesn't even have to state he is a jujutsu kaisen fan at all. He has a Gojo profile picture. Actions speak louder than words. If someone has to tell you something obvious, you're slow.
@@pinksywedarnoc8017 no, he does. I’ve had pfps of things I’m not a fan of just for the sake of it and so have many presumably.
@@Dementia0001 what I also wanted to say is jjk isn’t “mid” you just watch a better show.
Part of it also has to do with Dragonball Super being released around the same time as Dressrosa, Zhou and Whole Cake Island. Because of this, the anime had to be dragged out more and a lot of their animators got taken to work on that piece of shit.
@@Nephalem2002 Just talking about the manga in this video
I don't like timeskip as much either and i think you also explained to me why as well.
Yeah bro valid take on kaido, I have no idea how You can unironically say Kuro is a better villain than Kaido...and be RIGHT
Kaido lived up to the build up
How is Kuro a better villain than kaido?
@@murderman8578 In strength? yes. In everything else? absolutely not. His introduction is the peak of his character
@@cblin1978 How is kaido a better villan than kuro? is the better question
@@xandex69 he felt like a better threat. Kuro felt like a threat until luffy started to beat him up easily
Tbh, I watch op for its hype moments, and pts has more of that, which means I like it more
post time skip is better overall with facts and storys also the final saga will be the best arc in anime/manga even fiction and maybe media or rarely even pop culture but i get what you are trying to say the pre time skip just hid different there was no haki no complexity it was just the straw hats sailing and going on adventures pre times skip was more enjoyable
@@avitado luffy looks so cursed in your profile picture💀
@@KumoBear12 i hope when one piece ends luffys cut wont be like this also this looks like turkish luffy 😭
It's probably beacuse of nostalgia tbh
But yeah it’s just the monster trio that do anything
Oda became a corporate sell out
After timeskip that's happened because Marineford was like massive boost for one piece popularity and sales
It was demon slayer lvl event of early 2010s
He wasn't just writing for enjoyment after that and shuiesha decided to give him more freedom which leads to his creativity over flowing
He introduced unnecessary number of characters and wasted them as well as strawhats
We can see him regaining his passion after he start to getting involved in Live action and post wano because its straight line after here
We have most of set up we need a psy off little by little
Dude is like free bird now
We get less chapters per yr but its fine
Wano was the Lowest point of him as a writer
i would say the opposite? oda got so interested in just drawing random things he liked that he forgot the actual writing part of the story.
Just say you got fired and think you're some god who wants to fight the supreme power taking ya jobs
What a clown lmao
How the fuck is he both a corporate sellout but also too free and creative with his writing? You're actually remedial