You sound like you actually BELIEVE that. What a joke. This 'music' goes on interminably and always sounds the same. This man did not hold a candle to Bartok.
It's always interesting to me how much personality the 'big three' of the second Viennese school possessed. As much as later directions in atonal composition are interesting, it is my opinion the Berg, Webern and Schoenberg were possessed of very musical intentions.
Berg always veered towards the hyper-romantic, not the obviously, blatantly atonal. And I agree about your description of all three of them. There's a fascinating BBC documentary about Schoenberg and Wittgenstein here on RUclips which puts much of Schoenberg's, and in the extension thereof; those of his two most famous pupils, in context. The Wittgenstein-connection, even if only in theory and time, is a wonderful angle on their work. Boulez said there is not really any equivalent to Berg's complexity in music; his analogy is literature, where he finds three names: Musil, Joyce and Proust.
@@BirdArvid thanks for the info! I will have to look for that. I remember reading the Tractatus in college for the heck of it. Left me in a state of deep thought for a while, though I did not come to any definite conclusions.
"From the heart to the heart" - if you let it. It reminds me a little of the writing of Virginia Woolf, often held to be "difficult" but actually expressing truths of the human heart, human mind, human condition at a penetrating level. I find a similar spirit in this varied, unified, richly textured music.
Sincere pleasure from magnificent performance and viewing of the score. Berg is one of my favorite composers of the 20th century. From Russia with love and respect. Alexander Starikoff. Thanks!
Surprisingly the sonority sounds in certain places like some of Bartok’s quartets, even though the technical foundations of their compositional methods were very different.
Although the expert working out of motives is derived from Schoenberg/Beethoven, the Berg quartet is a perfect fusion of romanticism and expressionism.
la magie d'alban berg ,, le quatuor joue merveilleusement , quelle beauté dans la musique atonale ,,,, schonberg le maître ouvrit la voie ,,je découvre les oeuvres de la seconde école de vienne même si le terme de seconde école de vienne irrite certains éxégètes peut importe ,, leurs oeuvres sont géniales , immortelles , ils ouvrirent la voie à la musique du 20 ème siècle et jusqu'à nos jours ,, leur influence est sans limite ,, écoutez le wocceck de berg , quel opéra ,, buchner aurait applaudi à sa propre création littéraire ,,,,
As a student in direct lineage of the 2nd Viennese School, I deeply appreciate Schonberg and, even moreso, Webern; however, my affinities will always dwell in Berg's work, being a direct and logical extension of tonality - structurally and otherwise. This beautiful work is performed brilliantly...what a find!
Berg seems to have emerged a fully realized genius right from the gate. Webern and Schoenberg still reek of Mahler early on, though Bergs choice of genre for his early works may have disguised the debt to his predecessors. If forced to choose an entire oeuvre I'd go with Webern. From the OP 21 chamber symphony to the end there is nothing that competes. Though I would hate having to choose - I listen to a good deal of Sch and Berg to this day.
There's more Mahler in Berg than either of the other two composers. The d minor Interlude from Wozzeck is right out of Mahler's 9th, and the Violin Concerto reeks of Das Lied von der Erde which was Berg's favorite piece by the older composer. And there are many other mahlerian influences on Berg like the three Orchestral Pieces which sound like Mahler's Sixth played backwards.
I love this one but, have you heard the Violin Concerto? Lyrische Suite? Lulu Suite? Wozzeck? Piano Sonata? It's impossible for me to choose one Berg is just so wonderful
j'adore les quatuors de la seconde école de vienne , ceux de schoenberg sont fascinants tout comme ceux de webern , et le woycceck de berg deviendra un chef d'oeuvre immortel par son mystère , sa beauté qui me rappelle les toiles expressionnistes allemande de kirchner , egon , otto dix , kokoschka , franz marc , emile nolde , erich heckel , fritz bleyl , august macke , georg grosz , paula becker ect cette période de l'art me fascine , merci pour le partage
THis quartet should be compared with the op. 5 of Anton Wevbern. Both are their vision of atonality applied to the "traditional" string quartet. One can hardly imagine a sharper contrst. While Webern's quartet is completely innovative, the quartet of Alban Berg sounds more like a "traditional" quartet in two movements using atonlaity as a syntax. The idea is not to minimize the importance of Alban Beg, of course, but to show how the new language had been handled in a drasticly different way by two close friend composers. Note that there are subtle correspondances between the two movements.
Alban Berg was able to integrate the 12-tone method into the great tradition of Western music. This makes him, perhaps, the greatest representative of the Second Vienna School.
@Phillip Vietri That was his genius. Died much too soon. Note that his Violin Concerto was played at the 2014 Memorial Concert for Claudio Abbado (Lucerne Festival Orchestra). Never saw an orchestra with so many of its musicians weeping. The solo violinist, Isabelle Faust, played with incredible passion. Best reading of the piece that I've ever heard. It's on the Accentus Music Blu-ray and I highly recommend it.
@@hlcepeda : the Violin Concerto is a case in point. The 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th steps of the tone row are G-D-A-E, the open strings of the violin, steps 2, 4, 6, 8, 9 create a series of overlapping diatonic triads, G minor, D major, A minor, E major. Steps 9-12 are the first four notes of the chorale '"Es ist genug". With such a synthesis of tonality and serialism, is it any wonder that the Violin Concerto is such a moving work? In my books it is, together with the Sibelius, one of the two greatest violin concerti ever written.
20c 초반 음악 베르크 - [현악 4중주] op.3 ★제 2기 [표현주의 = 무조음악] [표현주의] : 표현주의 회화에서 유래 20세기 초 당시 현대인 들의 [긴장]과 [공포] [불안] [갈등] 등 [내면세계]를 표출하는 흐름 표현주의는 일반적으로 [쇤베르크]와 [베르크]의 [= 초기 무조성 음악]을 가르킨다. = [조성 체계의 붕괴] 표현주의 예술은 [인간 내면의 본질적 실체를 추구] 하면서 [기능화성에서 벗어난] 초기 무조성 음악을 뜻한다.
Not unlike Ernest Bloch's work of the same era. Dominant feeling: Uncertainty. Had Heisenberg come up with his principle yet? Don't think so. Einstein, in reaction to Heisenberg, said "It is all knowable if you keep looking deeper." TRUE or FALSE?
je me méfie des catégorisations... on parle d'une école autrichienne avec Shoenberg, Webern et Berg... les sonorités émises par les deux premiers me rebutent et n'ont, pour moi, aucun sens tandis que je me délecte des arabesques sensuelles et décharnées, d'Alban Berg... très sincèrement, il n'y a pour moi strictement aucun rapport entre eux et je trouve dommageable d'associer Berg à une quelconque école...
octatonic scale and whole tone scales are tonal or ataonal depending upon the composser sets up some attractive harmonies and cadenzas or not. For instance, 'Voiles' by Debussy is linked to tonality only by the bass pedal b flat.
Par rapport à Schoenberg et Webern, Berg compose plus en liant l'atonalisme avec des formes du passé, il reste avec ce lien, et il travaille plus avec du lyrisme, ce qui fait qu'on peut parfois entendre des accords qui nous rappellent une tonalité. Mais il était quand même énormément lié à l'école de Vienne, Schoenberg était son professeur, il n'aurait peut-être pas composé comme il l'a fait sans être passé par cette école.
![Alban Berg - Lulu Suite [With score]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ooM3YF2aQBg/mqdefault.jpg)
One of my all time favorites, and written when he was at start of his career. Astonishing!
You sound like you actually BELIEVE that. What a joke. This 'music' goes on interminably and always sounds the same. This man did not hold a candle to Bartok.
@@organman52 salty much
It's very good, but imo doesn't hold a candle to his later Lyric Suite.
It's always interesting to me how much personality the 'big three' of the second Viennese school possessed. As much as later directions in atonal composition are interesting, it is my opinion the Berg, Webern and Schoenberg were possessed of very musical intentions.
Berg always veered towards the hyper-romantic, not the obviously, blatantly atonal. And I agree about your description of all three of them. There's a fascinating BBC documentary about Schoenberg and Wittgenstein here on RUclips which puts much of Schoenberg's, and in the extension thereof; those of his two most famous pupils, in context. The Wittgenstein-connection, even if only in theory and time, is a wonderful angle on their work. Boulez said there is not really any equivalent to Berg's complexity in music; his analogy is literature, where he finds three names: Musil, Joyce and Proust.
@@BirdArvid thanks for the info! I will have to look for that. I remember reading the Tractatus in college for the heck of it. Left me in a state of deep thought for a while, though I did not come to any definite conclusions.
Good avatar! It brings to me good memories.
I don't care for any of this type of music, but Berg sure puts in the most effort to make it sound somewhat musical.
😂😂😂😂Love this
This recording got a 10/10 on Classics Today.
Deservedly so!
"From the heart to the heart" - if you let it. It reminds me a little of the writing of Virginia Woolf, often held to be "difficult" but actually expressing truths of the human heart, human mind, human condition at a penetrating level. I find a similar spirit in this varied, unified, richly textured music.
You are absolutely right
yes....that is the case....still this music doesn't resonate in me...I have tried....and failed...
A Penetrating Level
Sincere pleasure from magnificent performance and viewing of the score. Berg is one of my favorite composers of the 20th century. From Russia with love and respect. Alexander Starikoff. Thanks!
Surprisingly the sonority sounds in certain places like some of Bartok’s quartets, even though the technical foundations of their compositional methods were very different.
so great the piece and the introduction of it
+Kuang-Li Cheng Thank you! :)
This ending is so powerful... Wow
What incredible playing! Expressive and precise.
Although the expert working out of motives is derived from Schoenberg/Beethoven, the Berg quartet is a perfect fusion of romanticism and expressionism.
la magie d'alban berg ,, le quatuor joue merveilleusement , quelle beauté dans la musique atonale ,,,, schonberg le maître ouvrit la voie ,,je découvre les oeuvres de la seconde école de vienne même si le terme de seconde école de vienne irrite certains éxégètes peut importe ,, leurs oeuvres sont géniales , immortelles , ils ouvrirent la voie à la musique du 20 ème siècle et jusqu'à nos jours ,, leur influence est sans limite ,, écoutez le wocceck de berg , quel opéra ,, buchner aurait applaudi à sa propre création littéraire ,,,,
As a student in direct lineage of the 2nd Viennese School, I deeply appreciate Schonberg and, even moreso, Webern; however, my affinities will always dwell in Berg's work, being a direct and logical extension of tonality - structurally and otherwise. This beautiful work is performed brilliantly...what a find!
Great up-load, thanks for sharing!
minecraa
@@rubenurtasun8483 **SI**
25歳の作品
驚異的
師匠の指導とBerg本人の才能が合わさる
Alban Berg:Vonósnégyes Op.3
1.Lento 00:05
2.Moderatamente quarto 10:19
Új Zélandi Vonósnégyes
Köszönöm az értékelést
Go New Zealand! Beautiful playing! Excellent and smart prime minister! Thanks for posting...how is Berg not a super hero?
He is indeed
Berg seems to have emerged a fully realized genius right from the gate. Webern and Schoenberg still reek of Mahler early on, though Bergs choice of genre for his early works may have disguised the debt to his predecessors. If forced to choose an entire oeuvre I'd go with Webern. From the OP 21 chamber symphony to the end there is nothing that competes. Though I would hate having to choose - I listen to a good deal of Sch and Berg to this day.
nothing wrong with reeking of Mahler lol
Actually I hear very little Mahler in early Schoenberg, if at all. Webern, perhaps more so.
There's more Mahler in Berg than either of the other two composers. The d minor Interlude from Wozzeck is right out of Mahler's 9th, and the Violin Concerto reeks of Das Lied von der Erde which was Berg's favorite piece by the older composer. And there are many other mahlerian influences on Berg like the three Orchestral Pieces which sound like Mahler's Sixth played backwards.
Masterpiece!
is fast becoming a favourite piece...maybe the best thing he ever did...?
I love this one but, have you heard the Violin Concerto? Lyrische Suite? Lulu Suite? Wozzeck? Piano Sonata? It's impossible for me to choose one Berg is just so wonderful
j'adore les quatuors de la seconde école de vienne , ceux de schoenberg sont fascinants tout comme ceux de webern , et le woycceck de berg deviendra un chef d'oeuvre immortel par son mystère , sa beauté qui me rappelle les toiles expressionnistes allemande de kirchner , egon , otto dix , kokoschka , franz marc , emile nolde , erich heckel , fritz bleyl , august macke , georg grosz , paula becker ect cette période de l'art me fascine , merci pour le partage
THis quartet should be compared with the op. 5 of Anton Wevbern. Both are their vision of atonality applied to the "traditional" string quartet. One can hardly imagine a sharper contrst. While Webern's quartet is completely innovative, the quartet of Alban Berg sounds more like a "traditional" quartet in two movements using atonlaity as a syntax. The idea is not to minimize the importance of Alban Beg, of course, but to show how the new language had been handled in a drasticly different way by two close friend composers.
Note that there are subtle correspondances between the two movements.
Alban Berg was able to integrate the 12-tone method into the great tradition of Western music. This makes him, perhaps, the greatest representative of the Second Vienna School.
Between Schoenberg, Webern and Berg, Ber'g's music had the most "heart".. at least to my ears
@@hlcepeda : Berg managed to integrate his music into the great tradition.
@Phillip Vietri That was his genius. Died much too soon. Note that his Violin Concerto was played at the 2014 Memorial Concert for Claudio Abbado (Lucerne Festival Orchestra). Never saw an orchestra with so many of its musicians weeping. The solo violinist, Isabelle Faust, played with incredible passion. Best reading of the piece that I've ever heard. It's on the Accentus Music Blu-ray and I highly recommend it.
@@hlcepeda : the Violin Concerto is a case in point. The 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th steps of the tone row are G-D-A-E, the open strings of the violin, steps 2, 4, 6, 8, 9 create a series of overlapping diatonic triads, G minor, D major, A minor, E major. Steps 9-12 are the first four notes of the chorale '"Es ist genug". With such a synthesis of tonality and serialism, is it any wonder that the Violin Concerto is such a moving work? In my books it is, together with the Sibelius, one of the two greatest violin concerti ever written.
Bravo!
Quiet hypnotic.
Echoes of the violin concerto here...
You can't echo something that hadn't been composed yet.
音樂史必聽 ~
groovy
WOAH! LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE TIME SIGNATURE! IT'S ALMOST JUMPING OFF THE SCREnah, sorry, this was Berg, not Schoenberg. Just Berg.
I love berg
Listen to how this work prefigures the Lyric Suite.
Great!
What about the Berg's affaire that inspired this quartet?
It was his second quartet 'Lyric Suite'
Very nice indeed have a nice weekend Dick
Super.
17:52 damn those chords
4:30 goes fucking wild
This is like Transfigured Downing to me.
Not sure what you mean...
It seems like the continuation of Transfigured Night to me.
Not to sound pedantic, but did you mean Dawn?
My bad, sorry.
No problem. What you could do, is delete your first comment, than make a new comment like nothing happened ;)
Based Berg
Herbstrausch
1 minute in = 👍
💿💿💿💿
20c 초반 음악
베르크 - [현악 4중주] op.3
★제 2기 [표현주의 = 무조음악]
[표현주의] : 표현주의 회화에서 유래
20세기 초 당시 현대인 들의 [긴장]과 [공포] [불안] [갈등] 등 [내면세계]를 표출하는 흐름
표현주의는 일반적으로 [쇤베르크]와 [베르크]의 [= 초기 무조성 음악]을 가르킨다.
= [조성 체계의 붕괴] 표현주의 예술은 [인간 내면의 본질적 실체를 추구] 하면서 [기능화성에서 벗어난] 초기 무조성 음악을 뜻한다.
Not unlike Ernest Bloch's work of the same era. Dominant feeling: Uncertainty. Had Heisenberg come up with his principle yet? Don't think so. Einstein, in reaction to Heisenberg, said "It is all knowable if you keep looking deeper." TRUE or FALSE?
It's like you are in panic mode ,you can't move and travel with a luna park train between horror scenes.
je me méfie des catégorisations... on parle d'une école autrichienne avec Shoenberg, Webern et Berg... les sonorités émises par les deux premiers me rebutent et n'ont, pour moi, aucun sens tandis que je me délecte des arabesques sensuelles et décharnées, d'Alban Berg... très sincèrement, il n'y a pour moi strictement aucun rapport entre eux et je trouve dommageable d'associer Berg à une quelconque école...
so linear..running ahead no returns. Some times atonality is like is finding the meaning of life...
+toothless toe Tonality means there is one (or multiple) tonal centers, atonality the absence of one. I think it makes sense if you view it like this.
octatonic scale and whole tone scales are tonal or ataonal depending upon the composser sets up some attractive harmonies and cadenzas or not. For instance, 'Voiles' by Debussy is linked to tonality only by the bass pedal b flat.
Claude Adorno est d'accord con te. sul fait che berg non faisait parte di une ecole
Par rapport à Schoenberg et Webern, Berg compose plus en liant l'atonalisme avec des formes du passé, il reste avec ce lien, et il travaille plus avec du lyrisme, ce qui fait qu'on peut parfois entendre des accords qui nous rappellent une tonalité. Mais il était quand même énormément lié à l'école de Vienne, Schoenberg était son professeur, il n'aurait peut-être pas composé comme il l'a fait sans être passé par cette école.
Meaningless
Atonality was a cul de sac. Especially in printemps.
music for cats?
And dogs...
In some ways.
why its so uninteresting?
because i was drunk idiot
1st movement sounds like shit..the second is cool
GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!
TASTELESS IGNORANT!!!!!!!!!!!