The tribulation and God's wrath are two separate things. We are not appointed to God's wrath. The more I study this subject the more I see we are staying for the tribulation. We can believe what we want that is our right, but I rather prepare for the tribulation and be surprised by the rapture, than to prepare for the rapture and be surprise for the tribulation.
Little Angel Where does it happen? I mean, WHEN are we raptured? 1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Thessalonians 413 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 2 Thessalonians 22 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 1 Peter 412 Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; 13 but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. 14 If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter. Daniel 12:13 "But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.” ("arise at the END OF THE DAYS") And Jesus told us in John 6, FOUR TIMES, that we will rise "at the LAST DAY" 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. And when?? Back to 1 Thessalonians 415 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Lines up with Daniel being told to rest and he would arise at the end of those days. Dead rise first, then those that are alive and remain UNTIL THE COMING OF THE LORD.....will rise, be caught up and meet Jesus in the air! Amen!
Right my brother!! Just lot was taken before the Sodom n Gomorrah's destruction.. Noah was taken before the destruction.. So will we be TAKEN BEFORE God's wrath. As bible says, 1 thiss5:9 God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
And also Rev Francis Stephen Sadhu's young bro this five are the best and God spirited they are a blessing to many souls and we appreciate them so much they have become our fathers in the gospel and we thank God for them Amen
I just love watching & listening to Nevs teachings over & over, so it well cemented in my spirit. Such Truth From God's Word. I'm not only astounded, but deeply saddened by the deliberate misleading of God's Word by preachers who all differ in this subject. We stay true to God in the tribulation. God will stay True to us. He will Never leave us, Or Forsake us. We do not have to fear one iota. He IS Faithful. Hallelujah!! Praise God. I'm Trusting Him!!
He’s absolutely correct! I’ve known for years there’s no rapture before tribulation! It’s actually arrogant and selfish to believe you’re too good to be tested by our Father. Everyone will be tested in that age!
I respect your opinion but I’m still not totally convinced. I do wish though that you wouldn’t classify the saints that believe in the rapture prior to the tribulation as being arrogant… they just maybe overcomers who will be working with the Lord from that dimension during that time. Many very godly saints have believed it to be the blessed hope. And, he who has that hope purifies himself. All of us are encouraged to overcome. To say all must be tested, what about previous generations that never endured such a drastic testing. Honestly, I’m not looking to be critical or argumentative, just want to voice another opinion.
This is a supplemental prayer to Rev. Neville Johnson's prophecy in his being led by the Holy Spirit to speak to foreign peoples, & them supernaturally hearing the message in their native tongue. Praying that the Holy Spirit not only accommodate the message to their language, but also that He accommodate the message individually, to be perfectly suited to what they each need to hear... receiving the gospel of Jesus Christ in the most tailored and perfect way. Perfection in Perfection. Praying that the Lord would then turn their hearts toward Him, that they might believe and receive salvation, declaring Him sovereign King in their lives. All Glory and Honor and Praise To Our Righteous and Risen King Jesus! Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, AMEN!! Oh Thank You, THANK YOU LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!! Thank You!
The Lord showed me in a dream, we would be here till mid-tribulation. At that time, we will be martyred, or raptured, according to God s design. In the last year, i ve had 2 more dreams, concerning the end-times. In both these dreams, the Lord showed me concentration camps, and they we re torturing and then killing us. I was preaching the gospel, even when i was in the detention centers. God will be with us ever thru everything and give us peace..thru it all!
Isaiah 26: 9.... "When Your judgement is on the earth, the Inhabitants of the Earth learn righteousness!" Oh how very true for this Season of Coronavirsus Pandemic. Amen and amen Hallelujah and praise the Lord Jesus Christ whereby Satan is Defeated. Period
Absolutely beautiful sermons and truly what Prophet Neville Johnson said and described the Heavenly Kingdom. Bless the Lord O My Soul! Holy! Holy! Holy! Be thy Name In Jesus Christ Glorious and Mighty Name! Amen! Amen! Amen!
Thank you Rev. Neville for the confirmation I seek after that rapture will be after the Great Tribulation and before the Wrath of God. May God continue to use you mightily for His Kingdom. Thank you to the person posting this video. Praise King Yeshua! Shalom.
For those of you who do not believe in Pre-Trib Rapture, I would love to have a peaceable debate using the Word of God and not "You're wrong!" comments. If you think Pre-Trib is wrong, then please answer the following questions. 1) Who are the people in Heaven in Revelation chapters 4 & 5? Why do these people who are wearing white, have crowns and thrones? (Revelation 4:4 - Around the throne were twenty-four thrones; and upon the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white garments, and golden crowns on their heads.) Those things are promised to believers in Christ, not to Old Testament characters or angels: Matthew 19:28 - (Saints will have thrones), 2 Timothy 4:8 - (Crowns to be awarded on that day), 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 - (Saints judge) 2) This verse shows that all believers in Christ rise at the same time to meet the Lord in the air: (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 - 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.) According to this verse, the dead are waiting just like we are. They are in a place called Paradise in Sheol. So if they all go at the same time and they can't go before they are called, there should be no humans in Heaven until He gathers them. Right? Then, once again, who are the people in Heaven in Revelation chapters 4 & 5? It is like an if/then statement. If no one goes to heaven until He calls, then there should be no one in Heaven in Revelation 4, 5 & 7. If we see humans there that early, that means the rapture had to take place. 3) How can these elders sing a song that says they were redeemed from the earth in Revelation 5, if there is no pre-trib rapture? (Revelation 5:9-10 - 9 And they sang a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open the seals thereof: for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And have made us unto our God a kingdom and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.”) (Notice “redeemed us by your blood” and “made us unto our God a kingdom and priests” ) These 24 elders cannot be angels or Levites because neither of them have salvation through the blood of Jesus. 4) Who are there people in Revelation 7 that "HAVE COME OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION"? (Revelation 7:14 - "Sir," I answered, "you know." So he replied, "These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.) So how can these people come out of the tribulation and meet the other saints from Revelation 4 & 5 if there is no pre-trib rapture? 5) Matthew 25:1-12 gives us the parable of the ten virgins: (Matthew 25:10-12 - 10“And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut. 11“Later the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open up for us.’ 12“But he answered, ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13“Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.) All 10 virgins knew who the Lord was and were waiting for His return. It shows that the Lord took 5 virgins into a feast and the door was shut. That would leave 5 left behind. According to the Post-Trib folks, God comes back for us at the very end. How can this be, when clearly in the parable, He gathers the true followers up to a room and leaves the rest behind? Revelation 19 clearly shows the Lord returning with His bride to conquer the world. 6) Matthew 24, Luke 21 sound like the same exact event. They are not. In fact, they are written to 2 different groups. Matthew is written with Jews in mind, Luke is written with gentiles in mind. Matt 24 say He comes after the destruction and wrath and it also says all the tribes (Israel) will see His sign. Luke 21:28 says He gathers us before those things and it does not mention the tribes. As for Luke 21... Jesus gave us a laundry list of things that are signs of His coming and signs of God's wrath. Now, after the laundry list, he said: (Luke 21:28 - When these things BEGIN to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”) Notice that when we see these things BEGIN to take place we will be redeemed. Not during, not at the mid-point, not at the end, but when we see these things BEGIN to take place. We have been seeing these things happening in the past 10 years or so. After that promise, he adds this: (Luke 21:34-36 -34 “Be on guard, so that your hearts will not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day will not come on you suddenly like a trap; 35 for it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of all the earth. 36 “But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”) First of all, if we can’t escape it, then why tell us to watch for it? Second, notice that it says “it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of all the earth”. If it comes on all, then no one can escape what is coming. Third, many of the things on that list (that will come upon “all who dwell”) are not escapable. You can’t escape an earthquake. You can’t escape a world-wide famine. Etc. Also notice that He promised to rescue us so we can ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS. Not some of them, not half of them, all of them. So how do you have an event coming on the whole earth that will affect everyone, but some can somehow escape it? Besides that, what would be the purpose of allowing His bride to be beat up by the wrath of God? What purpose would or death during an earthquake mean to the world? Those who will have to go through this punishment and wrath are those who have been left behind (Matt. 25 and the 10 virgins are a classic example of this). 7) Many people believe that the Lord will gather us at the end, when He returns to the earth. How can He come back FOR US at the end when scripture clearly says He comes back WITH US? (1 Thessalonians 3:13 - … at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints.) (Zechariah 14:4-5 - 4 “…. Then the LORD, my God, will come, and ALL THE HOLY ONES WITH HIM!”) (Revelation 19:14 - The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. (to clarify, Rev 19:8 - “Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear. (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God's holy people.”) 8) Why does Isaiah 26:19-21 give a timeline that clearly shows the dead rising to life before the wrath? If there is no Pre-Trib, then who are these who are rising and going to rooms? To add to that, Jesus said, "In My Father's house are many rooms". Wouldn't they be the same rooms? (Isaiah 26:19-21 - 19 “Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits. 20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while until indignation runs its course. 21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity. ) Clearly, God raises His people from the dead BEFORE His wrath comes. 9) Is God a liar? God promised we are NOT destined for wrath: (Romans 8:1 - Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. (1 Thessalonians 5:9 - For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, (1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.) (Revelation 3:10-11 - 10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.) (Luke 21:36 - 36 "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.") There is a difference between trials and tribulations on the earth and Gods wrath (the time of Jacob’s Trouble). 10) Jesus told His disciples that the gates of hell cannot hurt the church, then let (what you think is the church) get overcome by Satan? Because there are 2 separate events and it is the saints, not the church who is overcome in Revelation 13. The short answer to all these questions is, there are two gatherings... One for the church, which is not destined for wrath and one for Israel who is destined for God's wrath.
JesusIsSalvation23 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[a] 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness[b] is revealed, the son of destruction,[c] 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God
I told a few close friends of mine the anointing need and would increase in our lives coming near the end and to reach out to the hurting and the wounded while there is light and we can reach out. As jes us said the hour coming we will not have the same freedom.God bless you brother John my vision is enlargedas I lisin to you. I held a men's meeting recently and the word the Lord gave me was from 2 kings 2. This teaching fit's right into it .
The reason that the Jews rejected Jesus the first time, is because they did not see the distinction between two separate events. The first time Jesus came, it was with humility, affliction, and he was killed for our sins. The second time he comes, it’s going to be with a rod of iron, judgment, and to establish the kingdom age. Since that last bit didn’t take place, the Jews said, "this couldn’t be the Messiah, because those things didn’t happen." The second coming is no different, there are two different “visits”. Some of these verses are logically impossible statements, if it’s not two events. Paul’s message of imminency, the church and Israel are separate bodies, the church is not appointed to wrath, nor is the church even mentioned during the tribulation. We know the timing of the tribulation extremely well. It’s not going to be very “thief” like, if the rapture is only at the end of the final week, after the seventh trumpet consisting of 7 bowls, at the end of the battle of Armageddon, for which we are given both starting points, and a day count leading up to the abomination, and a day count after the abomination that causes desolation. Paul says the restrainer is currently at work in his day. 2 Thessalonians 2:7 “For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.” SO who can be on the earth restraining him in Paul’s day but then be taken out of the way 2000 years later? No mortal thing, but perhaps the Holy Spirit who lives in us? So if He lives in us well then that explains Revelation 12:4-5 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, Why else is this written in Revelation where it is in that chapter? Does he not live in us, “the mystery of Christ in us”, given at pentecost? Yes he does, who else is getting caught up? That’s also the exact same word Rapturo that was used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 I’ll show you further on. If you believe in a post-trib rapture, and the "Last trump" from 1 Corinthians 15:52 is the seventh trumpet, then technically people aren’t actually taken at the end, they would be taken at the beginning of the seven bowls when the trumpet is blown. You can’t even say it's at the final bowl, because it still needs to take effect, and it’s a bowl, not a trumpet. So, that doesn’t make any sense, because his return to earth is after all the wrath has been poured out. True believers in Christ, during the Church Age, are represented by the Church of Philadelphia, and are promised to be kept from "the hour of trial". Revelation 3:10, “Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.” That's the WHOLE Earth, have you read what is going to happen in the final week?? There is no way you can be kept from that wrath for seven years, if you are here , you are going to be greatly affected by it no matter where you are. 1 Thessalonians 1:10, “and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead-Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.” That’s wrath, not Hell, or eternal punishment. Paul’s message is one of hope, and joy, and encouragement. 1 Thessalonians 5: 4-11, But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9 FOR GOD DID NOT APPOINT US TO SUFFER WRATH but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing. Romans 5:9 states, “Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!” Saved from wrath again there. Ephesians 5:6 states, “Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.” Then there is this statement about how we meet Christ in the clouds, and from that point on we are with him forever. 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be CAUGHT UP ( Latin Rapturo, or greek Harpazo ) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage one another with these words. If this happened at the end, there would be a mention of the trumpet Jesus himself blows, but there is no mention of any trumpets at the end in revelation, rather is a rushing sound of water and people saying certain phrases. We all also would have to first go up to the clouds at the battle of Armageddon. Then come back down immediately with him in glory. Which is very strange. Colossians 3:4 states, “When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.” So how can we appear with him if we aren’t already with him, but still on earth? Also, Matthew 24:40-41 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Why would that happen at the end? That means all those people are just left on earth, and skip the judgement? maybe they just hang out for an undisclosed amount of time? While God gets things sorted? If these people are left here on earth, how do we get on with the kingdom age on earth? We aren’t told they will be there for the kingdom age. That scenario doesn't make sense either. Again and again, Scripture states the Church is not meant to endure the wrath. The Bible says the final week after Jesus is FINISHED with the gentles, that it is a time to provoke jealousy to the jews. SO how is that going to happen? As of today, most of them still don’t accept Jesus, and they certainly aren’t jealous of Christians. What could possible convince the jews in this final week? Roman’s 11:11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. Roman’s 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,” Then what happens once the full number comes in? Jacob’s trouble, that’s what. Once they realize all this, they will definitely be “envious”, but they will have the "Two witnesses" who are also both jewish, and so are the 144,000, to help them figure it all out. There will be unsaved people who go into the final seven, but they will refuse the mark of the beast. They will be the tribulation saints, whether martyred or make it to the end. Then at the end of it all, He will come back again to pull the rest out, and we will be with him "In glory", to do that. Every time that I read through the new testament as quickly as I can for congruency, the message is that of hope, imminency, be ready, and love. Everything all through out the New Testament gives the impression that we don’t know when he will return, be ready, and stay on your best behavior. Matthew 24:43,44 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. We do not know when the rapture is going to happen. However, we do have a complete map of events, and a timeline with a day count to the center marker, and a day count after the marker, mapping out the entire final seven. Finally, so far almost every time a post tribulation rapture person approaches me, it’s done nastily, unloving, with arrogance, and condescension. It is crazy how often that happens, and honestly a great indicator that they’re wrong. To me that is a loud declaration of their biblical comprehension upfront. Clearly after whatever they have read, they not only don't understand the rapture, they don’t even get the more important message of how to conduct themselves as Christians. They often also believe they can loose their salvation, still believe repentance is required for eternal life, and or that water baptism is required for salvation as well. It really makes me wonder why they miss all of this, if they have indeed read the bible, as they claim. 100 people can take the same test, and each of their results will reflect their study.
@@ithasbeenwritten222 in genesis the woman is the israel and the man child is Jesus, but in revelation i think the woman is the church giving birth to remnant. base on revelation 12. it is only my thought.
I see many losing their faith should there be no pre-trib. if pre-trib is true then its not fair to our brothers and sisters in other countries who are already being beheaded and persecuted for their faith. we should be raptured by now so they can also escape persecution and beheading. its natural to be fearful for what is to come to the world because its inhumane. concerning God's wrath and tribulation the book of revelations clearly states the difference. revelation 8 clearly states the stages of God's wrath and revelations 13 and Daniel 8 clearly states what the anti-christ is going to do during the period he is allowed to reign on earth. it doesn't take one to believe in Christ to see this day light distinction. for those who like to quote 1thess 4;16-end why don't you ever quote or talk about 2thess 2;1-4? Apostle Paul clearly explains what he talked about in 1thess4. I want to believe pre-trib so bad but ever since I read 2thess2; 1-4... it changed everything
We are in the time of the seals... Revelation 6. Also, we are living now in Isaiah 60, Arise, shine, for the Glory of God is risen upon you, though gross darkness covers the earth, yet my light shall be seen upon thee.
I was once mid/post trib. No one could tell me any different. One day a trusted brother in Christ challenged me to do more studies on it so I could be a better witness for Christ. They encouraged me to study through Israel's role and the church's role. They also encouraged me to put all end time scriptures on the same piece of paper and start reading them all in context to find out who it is talking about and where those verses are put into play. What I found astounded me and made me change my position. Ever since then, I have been leading ministries and teaching for the past 10 years. I have found interesting contradictions and I bring them to your attention. So far I have seen the following contradictions: He comes and gathers us AFTER His wrath (Matt 24:29-31). He comes and gathers us BEFORE His wrath (Luke 21:25-28). He gathers us and puts us in rooms (Isa 26) & (Matt 25:1-13). He come back with us (Rev 19:14), (Zechariah 14:4-5) & (1 Thes 3:13). Angels gather us (Matt 24:29-31). He gathers us (1 Thess 4:16-17) He calls us up to the clouds (1 Thess 4:16-17). He comes to the earth to gather His people (Matt 24:29-31). People in Heaven in Revelation 4 & 5 sing praises to God for His blood that gave them salvation BEFORE the Seal and Trumpet Judgments.. Matthew 24 shows the Lord coming back for His people after the Seal and Trumpet Judgments. God says we are not destined for wrath. God brings His wrath against the whole world starting in the Seal Judgments and it eventually kills off more than 2/3’s of the people. Jesus said the church cannot be overcome. Revelation 13 says the saints are overcome. According to mid/post theories, people say God will protect us through the tribulation. If that is the case, then why does it say this in Revelation 7:14 - "Sir," I answered, "you know." So he replied, "These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Why did these folks die and go to Heaven?) (Also, how is this is Revelation 7?) According to mid/post theories God says we are all going through the tribulation. The following verses we are told that we can escape His wrath. How can we escape His wrath if supposedly we must go through it? (Luke 21:36 - “But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”) (Revelation 3:10-11 - 10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.) (1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.) (Psalms 27:5 - For in the day of trouble he will keep me safe in his dwelling; he will hide me in the shelter of his tabernacle and set me high upon a rock.) (Luke 21:28 - When these things BEGIN to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”) (Isaiah 26:19-21 - 19 “Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits. 20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while until indignation runs its course. 21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity) Even if I had to pick one contradiction that proved my point, I could easily point to the elders in Heaven (Rev. 4), they are singing a song thanking God for their redemption (Rev. 5). If 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is true and mid/post trib is true, then there should be no humans in Heaven until sometime later in the Book of Revelation. You see what I mean? It is like an if/then statement. If no one goes to heaven until He calls, then there should be no one in Heaven in Revelation 4, 5, 6, & 7. If we see humans there that early, that means the rapture had to take place. Also, the people in Revelation 4 are wearing white, have crowns and thrones. Those things are only promised to believers in Christ. See my point? It's not about believing a theory, it is about lining up scripture and making sure there are no contradictions. How can I make the above verses work out to end end time gathering? I can’t. I’ve tried everything and it does not work out.
I used to believe the pre tribulation rapture, after study and prayer, I now can see the holy word for what it is. It all makes sense. I can read it and take it literally and it all falls into place without using a secret rapture definition by faith. God doesn't want us to be in the dark. Matthew 24, mark13, Luke 21 and revelation 6, put them side by side and it pops out at you in a full picture. Don't be misled! I PRAY EVERYONES SPIRITUAL EYES BE OPENED TO THE TRUTH, AMEN!
Bless you.. again your talking about somethings that were written to Jews and also leaving out so many other things. 1st.. there is no PRE MID OR POST in the bible..this is not written. The 1st book Paul by the sweet sweet Spirit of God was Thes.. where we get caught up..goes on and on about this because they thought they missed it. Those words were told to comfort one another. Who beats up there bride and then takes her out to dinner. There have always been things that stick out to me. Well greater is HE that is in YOU then he thats in the world. All power over the enemy ALL has been given to us that know Christ and nothing not some things NOTHING shall by ANY MEANS hurt you. So from what I read all the demons all the fallen angels can stand before me and I have all power over them..Christ IN ME. IN ALL believers. So for the enemy to ever have power over me.. he would have to have power over JESUS in me. This can no ever happen. Its written the one holding the lawless one back..only when He is taken out of the way will the lawless one be revealed. Does not get clearer then that. Only that which has more power over satan is out of the way does then we read satan comes and does lying wonders. See Jesus said.. I go to make you a home and if I go I will come back and get you/take you/receive you unto my self so where I am you will be. So tell me WHERE is He going? He told them....WHERE I go you know. So by GODS own words.. He is coming back to take us to WHERE He is. So if this man that did just WOW all kind of awesome wonders and everything He ever said always happened.. and you were standing there and He said.. I am going but will come back and get you.. you tell me.. WHEN is He coming to get you? NOW.. it will always be NOW when He comes. There is no pre mid or post. He wants us to be ready NOW! Ever read a old Jewish wedding? He pays a price for the bride he wants. He takes of back to his fathers house to make them a home. She? She has no clue when he is coming to get her so she gets ready and is always watching for him. So about a year later he comes back and mostly at night with friends.. makes a loud noise so she knows he is coming. He gets her takes her back to his fathers house ..for about 7 days. This is not made up not a guess ..it is what they use to do. And where did all these JEWISH things come from? And lol wow here we have Jesus telling us.. He is going back to make us a home.. for in His Fathers house are many rooms. And will come back and get us so where He is we will be. Where I go you know how I go you know. Now.. you tell me this GOD that NEVER forces anyone to do say believe anything.. you think HE will take anyone that is not ready not watching does not believe..anyway? And if you really did pray about this.. HE SAID ...NOTHING to you about it. He never will to anyone. WE can say its no secret yet.. gee why wont He just tell anyone? Cant GOD or JESUS just say.. no pre rapture mid rapture post rapture is not true.. HE WONT...ever. And .. this man in this video says things and does things that ..I cant find in my bible... the red flag for me is the saints that show up..talk to him and others like him. That make sure they tell you.. how what these so called saints that died ..well they say things that point to God Christ.. things like that.. as if that is good enough. Go for it.. ask one.. tell me it is by the BLOOD OF JESUS we are washed and saved! Not one yet has said it. And YOU will never see one that does.. just HEAR someone tell you they did..go in line with the word.. is written in the word? Jesus is coming to get us period. IF one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.. how long has Jesus really been gone? Two days.. HE IS COMING! Look up and be ready. Caught up is to snatch away out of just before danger. It will happen HIS way not mine not yours..not what any of us personally believe the word is really saying.. but HIS way. SO be ready NOW..expect HIM NOW! You will never miss Him
You can easily see how people can get confused by all this. The pure facts are that Jesus was a speaker of the truth right. He was the truth after all. do you know what he said. "this generation will not pass away etc" and these things will shortly come to pass. The time of Jacobs trouble and the tribulation was in AD70 with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Romans. Revelations is mostly allegorical and it speaks of the times the early church would have to experience and the final destruction of the roman empire. We are in the indefinite times of the gentiles. The only thing left other than wrath upon the inhabitants of the Earth is the Judgement and the new heavens and earth. an early "rapture" is possible but there is no coming back. The ruling and reining on earth with Christ is going on right now. Read the New Testament. you know OUR TESTAMENT. You will find nothing like the current false beliefs of the church in that testament. The Apostle Paul said that he had delivered unto them/us the full counsel of God and that if anyone EVEN AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN should preach another gospel let them be ACCURSED! The book of revelation is not a prophecy for proud end time elitists. It is the revelation of Jesus Christ to be a blessing for the church. Looks like old Nev might miss out on his so called transfiguration. What a load!
Jesus is salvation 23: This could be the problem... There seem to be two comings mentioned by Jesus and the Apostles. These are coded as usual to hide the truth from the blind. The first coming was in 70 AD to put and end to Israel, Jerusalem and the temple, to leave it desolate. This was the coming of Jesus as 'son of man' which was promised for that generation. The next coming which we refer to as the second coming is Jesus coming back as the bridegroom. The last chapters of revelation and many other scriptures refer to this. This would probably historically place the church in the age of the millennium. Now here is a mystery which the blind guides can't see. The Church of Jesus Christ is heavenly and spiritual. It isn't political in any way shape or form. The normal human can't receive that. they want an earthly political rule. the last guy who suggested otherwise to Jesus got the "get the behind me Satan" treatment. Remember Jesus turned down the kingdoms of the world already. Satan owns them and he offered them to Jesus remember. My little joke on this point is that Satan went of in a huff and gave them to the first Jew who was passing by. His name was Rothschild. LOL. Blessings in Christ.
JesusisSalavtion23 > You said " If 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is true and mid/post trib is true, then there should be no humans in Heaven until sometime later in the Book of Revelation. You see what I mean? It is like an if/then statement. If no one goes to heaven until He calls, then there should be no one in Heaven in Revelation 4, 5, 6, & 7. If we see humans there that early, that means the rapture had to take place. " Do you know your bible? Where do you think the dead in Christ are right now?
BEST ADVICE FOR CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS SEEKING THE TRUTH IN THE LAST DAYS (4 POINTS): 1. DON'T GET IT FROM RUclips OR THE INTERNET! (You will find some truth, and a whole lot of error and nonsense here---even dangerous and potentially deadly error. God wants us to have pure truth, and yes---we CAN get this from His written word with the help of His Spirit.) 2. CLEAN HANDS AND A PURE HEART (What so few of us want to hear but NEED to hear in these days: OBEY. If you're not living according to what you already know, God isn't going to give you any more. Clean up your life and purify your heart if necessary; apply the commandments and instructions of the Lord given us in the New Testament to your life---yes, we must actually APPLY them---and live according to the knowledge of God's will for you. THEN ask Him for understanding, humbly, and with the intention of following through with whatever He makes known. To do otherwise is to invite CONFUSION and demonic deception; remember God knows and considers our deeds and our hearts, not just the words that come out of our mouths.) 3. READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF! (Don't be lazy, and rely on someone else's interpretation or conviction, or what you've grown up hearing all your life: It may be right, or it may NOT be. Even if it is right, YOU need to know it for yourself; you can't ride on someone else's convictions. If they change their mind, where will you be? The truth is still the truth whether anyone knows it or believes it or lives by it, and error is still error even if the whole world embraces it. Our safety is standing upon God's truth, and we must know the truth in order to stand upon it and live by it---even if we are all alone with Jesus in doing so.) 4. DON'T STUDY EVIL TO DISCERN EVIL (Illuminati, free masonry, secret codes, secret symbols, strange gods; don't study these things! The way to know what is of God and what is not of Him is to get to know GOD very well. If you know God well, you will know what (and who) is of Him, and what (and who) is NOT. You do not need to become an expert in evil, but rather in God's truth. Don't study the deep things of Satan; delve into the deep things of GOD!)
I hope to one day meet you. I will invite you to the Global Temple to minister these wonderful truths. So be it. If God speaks it you know it will happen.
Neville has gone with the Lord already. I really like him also. Brother Sadhu also walks with the Lord. Brother Sadhu was very closed with Neville Johnson when he was alive.
Not one for arguing here but the bible does teach a pretrib mid trip raptures and I believe some maybe towards the end . The pre trib rapture will not to be a escape but does happen before trib the Philadelphia church I could list several scriptures to prove this but the bible has it and I think people should read it for themselves.
Pre trib rapture not an escape but for those who have already went through trials pushed back darkness carried the glory of God and have walked holy this is the harvest of the wheat and tares or the 5 wise virgins those who stay behind who have not already fallen away go through the time of testing like one of the 7 churches Jesus speaks of most of them will be martyred and will have to go through intense persecution but they many of them will also receive the same reward as the pretrib church of Philadelphia believe it
I had revealed to me by revelation years ago ,what NEVILLE STATED ABOUT THE PLOWMAN WOULD OVERCOME THE REAPER, ETC., THAT ONE FEAST WOULD OVERLAP ANOTHER SO THAT IT WOULD BE HARD TO TELL WHAT SEASON YOU ARE EXPERIENCING FOR GOD WOULD BE QUICKENING . IF YOU CANNOT KEEP UP WITH THE FOOT SOLDIERS HOW WILL YOU MANAGE WITH THE HORSEMEN? OUR PASTOR GAVE A WORD, "THAT WE NEED TO GET RID OF OUR EXCESS BAGGAGE ." THIS HAS MY GOAL , TO GIVE UP THE GOOD FOR THE BETTER AND TO GIVE UP THE BETTER FOR THE BEST. ALSO , SEPARATE THE PRECIOUS FROM THE VILE... THESE PRINCIPLES HAVE GAVE ME OVER THE YEARS HAVE UNDERGIRD MY PURSUIT AFTER JESUS...
At around 39:00 mins he speaks about the outer darkness and the people in it. And it's in concordance with what Rick Joyner says about it in one of his books
The tribulation is for unbelievers, not believers. There will come a time when the Lord says, "Enough!" and He will gather His people and punish the rest. He is a God of patterns… Look how He constantly protected us from His wrath: A) God removing Enoch from the earth that had become so wicked and before God’s wrath to come. B) Noah and his family were isolated from the world and rose above the earth (by water) so he would not have to endure God’s wrath upon the earth. God himself shut the door to the ark, just like he shut the door in Matthew 25, Luke 13, Isaiah 26 and Revelation 3. C) Angels forcibly removed Lot and his family from Sodom. He told them to leave the area, He did not promise to protect them where they were. Scriptures clearly say that His wrath could not come down until Lot and his family were removed. See the picture? God forcibly taking His beloved to save them from His wrath... D) The Israelites were protected from God’s wrath against Egypt. Not only did God have the Israelites strategically placed away from the Egyptians, none of the plagues that struck Egypt proper affected them. E) Jesus warned the Christians to leave Jerusalem when they see it surrounded by armies. He told them to leave the area, He did not promise to protect them where they were. F) God warned the Jews that they need to flee when they see the Anti-Christ. He told them to leave the area, He did not promise to protect them where they were. G) Jesus warned us of God’s coming wrath and how to escape it. God did not make Noah live on the on the earth to be washed away with the flood. God did not make Lot go through the destruction of Sodom. The Flood and the fire upon Sodom was God's wrath. We are not destined for God's wrath.
Pre-Trib Verses: 1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. (Rescues you from wrath) Revelation 3:10-11 - 10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. (Keep you from the testing) Isaiah 26:19-21 - 19 “Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits. 20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while until indignation runs its course. 21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity (gathered before the wrath and put it rooms) Luke 21:36 - 36 "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man." (strength to escape) Luke 21:28 - When these things BEGIN to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” (When these things BEGIN to take place) Revelation 5:9-10 - 9 And they sang a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open the seals thereof: for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And have made us unto our God a kingdom and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.” (His blood made those in Heaven Kings and Priests in Revelation 5) Psalms 27:5 - For in the day of trouble he will keep me safe in his dwelling; he will hide me in the shelter of his tabernacle and set me high upon a rock. (He will hide us in HIS dwelling) Zephaniah 2:3 - Seek the Lord, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the Lord's anger. (He will shelter us) Psalm 57:1 - my God, have mercy on me, for in you I take refuge. I will take refuge in the shadow of your wings until the disaster has passed. (refuge under the Lord)
We are appointed to go thru the tribulation according to Matthew 24 and not go thru the wrath. The wrath of God comes after Jesus come back for the his elect.
When I read the word what I see is God is always spot on. So when Jesus walked this earth was there a Church were the any Christians? A man comes to Jesus talking about how he is doing the law. Now Jesus never once said.. pfftt.. just believe in me and follow me..nothing like that. The man came to Jesus with the law and the law is what Jesus came back with. This is GOD is with everything. So WHO came to Jesus about the end? No Christian no Church but JEWISH people. So to Jewish people He answered. One working one sleeping.. one is taken the other left.. ooh that MUST MEAN....no it does not.. that was man adding to the word. Like the narrow and wide road...I always hear about it as if its everlasting life..is that really what it says? Jesus talking to the 7 churches..and one that he would spit out of His mouth and to those He loves he rebukes and chastises. Yet people say ..those are going to hell. Again.. is that whats written? Want more? How about the sheep and the goats. Ah what so many use to scare put fear in others. Now is this the great white throne judgment? Nope.. so many think we will be there..well we? Is that whats written? So the 12 the 120.. the 3000 you and me? Is thats really whats written? Are the DEAD raised small and great to stand before Christ there? So if We will be there.. then.. what about when we die that know Christ.. for us to die we go right to GoD. So all the 12 and everyone else that is WITH GOD..come back to stand before Christ? No.. what just happen before Christ comes and sets foot here? ANTICHRIST.. that just happen. It plainly reads.. He gathers the NATIONS..not you not me but them there at that time. So Matt 24 is again what happens to the Jews those people during that time. Anything else about Church caught up..they would not understand. It was a mystery. That Christ gave to Paul. There is no where in the word where He says we must go through the tribulation that is coming on the whole earth. Did not Christ say since they keep His word He will keep them from that hour of temptation (trial) that comes on the whole world? In this life we have trials and tribulations.. but whats coming was not is not meant for HIS.
You are a bit long winded but the drift i get is that youy are right. the end times disaster that has been brought upon the church by JN Darby is just that... a disaster. we can reform and come back from these delusions including Neville Johnson and co. I am doing this trolling in Christ along with vids and I am getting those who want to 'come out of her'! Praise God. they are coming back to life in the Spirit of truth. Jesus said we are only sanctified in the truth. end time doctrines are returning to the dogs vomit. the Jews are finished as any people of God in the national or natural sense. All the judaized bible scholars have gotten Rom 11:25 misunderstood.
@TheTnrnr - You stated "We are appointed to go thru the tribulation according to Matthew 24 and not go thru the wrath. The wrath of God comes after Jesus come back for the his elect." This is not correct. The church is not to go through the tribulation that is shown to us in the Book of Revelation, that is for unbelievers and for the Israelites. Matthew 24 is talking to Jews. Now, think about this... (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 - 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.) Notice it says: "we who are alive and remain will be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM in the clouds to meet the Lord IN THE AIR" This shows two groups (dead and living) who will be "together”. The living will be caught up” and dead "caught up with them". If both groups are caught UP, that means both rise up. If the dead are already in Heaven, they would not be rising up. Also, I see them both meeting the Lord in the clouds, not in Heaven. WE WILL MEET HIM IN THE AIR, not on the ground. Then it says "so we shall always be with the Lord". If the dead in Christ were already there, they would already have been with the Lord and they would also be in Heaven, not the clouds. The way the passage implies is, from that point on they will be with the Lord. According to those passages, the dead are waiting just like we are. It is like an if/then statement. All believers will be called at the same time and no believers can go before they are called. If no one goes to heaven until He calls, then there should be no one in Heaven in Revelation chapters 4 & 5. If that is the case, who are the people in Heaven in Revelation chapters 4 & 5? (Revelation 4:4 - Around the throne were twenty-four thrones; and upon the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white garments, and golden crowns on their heads.) Why do these people who are wearing white, have crowns and thrones? Those things are promised to believers in Christ. No one else but the elders in Revelation chapter 4 have these promises. Need more proof? Why do the elders from Rev. 4 praise the Lord for the blood that brought them salvation? (Revelation 5:9-10 - 9 And they sang a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open the seals thereof: for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And have made us unto our God a kingdom and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.”) Notice “redeemed us by your blood” and “made us unto our God a kingdom and priests”. These 24 elders cannot be angels or Levites because neither of them have salvation through the blood of Jesus. This proves they are Christians in Heaven before the judgments. If we see humans there that early (before the judgments), that means the rapture had to take place. The elders are a picture of the complete priesthood in Heaven. The 24 thrones are a representation of all true believers (the bride). Luke proves we go to meet the Lord before the wrath happens: (Luke 21:28 - When these things BEGIN to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”) (Luke 21:36 - "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.") What does ALL mean? What does ESCAPE mean? What does ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE mean? How do you escape and stand before the Lord before they are about to take place? That means His bride is gathered before His wrath. Israel must go through His wrath because they still do not believe. They will only see and believe by sight. We believe by faith and we are promised to be gathered before His wrath. We are not destined for wrath: (Romans 8:1 - Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.) (1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.) (Revelation 3:10-11 - 10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.) Now, the question is, when does the wrath start? Scripture easily answers this for us: (Revelation 6:16-17 - 16 “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the WRATH of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their WRATH has come, and who is able to stand?”) (Revelation 11:18 - “And the nations were enraged, and Your WRATH CAME, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants, the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”) Not only is God's wrath clearly mentioned twice in Rev. 6, the elders talk of God’s wrath that previously came before Rev. 11, which is pointing back to the Seals and the Trumpets. HE said we are not destined for wrath. HE said HE will rescue us. He did not say He would rescue us after the events, because why would a person need to be rescued after the events? If we are rescued from what is "about to come upon the entire earth" then that means we have to be raptured BEFORE Rev. 6. The people in Rev. 6 are declaring that they are already involved with His wrath. That mean the church would have to be raptured before the Seal Judgments because we are not destined for His wrath.
PlowsharesintoSwords People do that all the time. They also avoid context and history as well. they care not for any rules of exegesis and fakery has even been implemented in the past. The facts of the matter are that Jesus and the apostles were preterists with a parousia. That's it! All else is doctrines of demons... Zionist demons of their father the devil.
this is the same thing holy spirit told me there will be a great revival (rev 7:9) and tribulations before the rapture . Matthew 24 is written in order from destruction of Jerusalem Temple to the Second coming and jesus told that you will be hated by all nations because of me (Lord jesus preparing us for the great tribulation)
You obviously didn't test the SPIRITS.. because the holy Spirit would have never told you about any rapture..when it's a false Doctrine..it's not Biblical and it's not written.
Your right..the word tribulation:means:in hebrew=mold clay...to press in the oil=(meshiac..& christ)..it also means:kidneys..which means to =the seat of emotions..reignes..harness...among other things...so the LORD..through tribulation..GODS trying to mold us..into the image of christ..by pressing in the oil..to harness our emotions..cuzz GODS c omming back on a white horse..that is harnessed...that HE CHRIST THE WORD..has control of the riegnes..to do his will..in us & through us.we walk by faith..not by sight...theres so much more to this word..
5And no lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. 6Then I saw another angel flyingoverhead, with the eternal gospel to proclaim tothose who dwell on the earth- to every nationand tribe and tongue and people. Rev 14:6. maybe we don't preach the word throughout the world ..the angels do it
May I ask a question, why is Jesus coming in the clouds in 1 Thess. 4:13-18, also after chapter4 in Revelation the church is not mentioned mmmm I wonder why, we as believers are not appoint to wrath, we will experience persecution, but not tribulation, we are commanded by Jesus to watch there for, we are to look up, not look out! Jesus will come as a thief, here's a question about the ten virgins, the 5 wise told the 5 foolish to go and buy oil for there lamps, now how can those 5 foolish buy oil without the mark of the beast, because Jesus showed in that time frame, so there's some things to ponder, Jesus could show up while you sleep tonight, may the Lord bless you and keep you
Icaiah DB me thinks you need to study the Word more and pray for understanding. Also consider the many many thousands of Christians in the Middle East who has gone through tribulation or wrath. Rape, torture, be headings, homes burned and the list goes on. Study the plight of the Christians in centuries past. Also if we are not appointed to wrath as you say consider the wrath comes in Revelation 8 with the 7 trumpets. Just things to pray and think about.
In Rev 4 John begins to describe Heaven. In Rev 5 he describes the Church:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; In Rev 6 God's wrath begins! In Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. John sees the raptured "Bride of Christ" in Rev 5 before the trib begins, where in Rev does it describe the Church AFTER the wrath of God is poured out? The "timing" is shown clearly in Revelation!
+Jimbo jenkins ; I hope many will see the truth you have shown from the scriptures. Be blessed. And YES Jesus opens the seals and HIS wrath begins from seal number one.
Andrew Sheets is correct. Sorry Gary, I love your news service, but I just listened to Neville and he has it all wrong. Sorry to say, but very few will believe and escape in the RAPTURE. After the RAPTURE happens, they will realize they missed the boat! left behind!, these people (Christians too, people like Neville) will panic big time. A large revival will happen after the Rapture, you will be protected, you will be the "Tribulation Saints" but you will have to die for Christ, at a FEMA camp, or running from the beast, you will join us later, but you will miss out on the Wedding Feast, in which I believe will be a on going party / celebration of LIFE! You were invited today, but again you wish not to believe in such a fable/fairy tale. As for me, I know my GOD loves me and stay close to him daily and I will never let go of his garment, in which I AM attached to! Take the golden ticket ride out of here, it is FREE, JESUS is handing them out right now, please take one! You must ask the LORD, can I go with you to your Marriage Feast of the Lamb of GOD.? Can I and my family and friends be counted worthy to escape these times? Luke 24:36 Why not come up hither with the real live saints of GOD who love JESUS permanently? The Glory Express is almost here. and don't you want to go and leave this word of sorrow and troubles here below. Talk about suffering here below and lets keep loving JESUS ( an old gospel hymn) How do I know these things? I studied it for 33 years now, ever since JESUS/HOLY SPIRIT/LORD FATHER gave me a vision (during the day!) of this RAPTURE event, that I was in. Learn all about here : king-of-the.net/rapture2,html
God is a God of consistency and patterns… If He left us a clue as to the gathering of His people, surely we would be able to clearly see it in His recorded actions. Think about the pattern God has given us in Revelation and Genesis. Study the order of the main events of Genesis and then compare them to the events of Revelation. Genesis example: Genesis starts with beautiful paradise and no sin. A deceiver shows up, God's people turn away from Him and judgments comes. The world goes on for a time and sin flourishes. God rescues His people from his coming wrath. Revelation example: God rescues His people from His coming wrath. The world goes on in sin. A deceiver shows up, he turns people away from God. God brings judgment and it all ends in a beautiful paradise with no sin. You will see that Genesis gave us the pattern and in Revelation, it reverses it back as if it is going back to the beginning. Here is another pattern that matches the Book of Revelation and shows it in order: Joshua means “the LORD (Jehova) is Salvation” (vs.) The name Joshua in the Greek is “Jesus” Rahab the harlot (a gentile) is saved from destruction (vs.) Believers in Christ are saved from destruction Priests carrying ark (seat of God) before the people (vs.) In Heaven, we stand before the throne Priests stand in river & water stops (vs.) We, as priests are standing on a sea of glass The Israelites must be circumcised before entering (vs.) Believers must be circumcised of the heart before entering The Lord shows up to take over the battle (vs.) The Lord shows up to take the scroll (title deed) 7 days of marching (vs.) 7 years of the tribulation 7 trumpets, then the walls fall down (vs.) 7 trumpets which bring tribulation and judgment Jericho (symbol of the world) is destroyed (vs.) Much of the Earth is destroyed King Adoni-Zedek of Jerusalem “Lord of Righteousness” (vs.) The A/C call himself god from God’s temple in Jerusalem The Israelites are facing 7 nations (were 10) (vs.) The beast will rule over 7 kings (were 10) The Amorites were defeated at Beth Horon (vs.) World’s armies are defeated at Armageddon (Beth Horon) The jubilee year starts when the conquest is over (vs.) The millennial reign starts when the battle is over Are there other patterns that might reflect when we are to be gathered? Let's look at how He constantly protected us from His wrath: A) The earth had become corrupted. God removed Enoch from the earth before God’s wrath to come. It looks as though He was brought up to Heaven. B) Noah and his family were isolated from the world and rose above the earth (by water) so he would not have to endure God’s wrath upon the earth. God himself shut the door to the ark, just like he shut the door in Matthew 25, Luke 13 and Isaiah 26. God told him 120 years in advance to prepare. Everything was ready when God told him to enter the ark before the rains came. He entered his room before God's wrath. (7 days before the wrath - prophetically, gathered before the 7 years of tribulation) See the pattern? C) Rahab (the gentile) accepted the Lord before the Israelites marched for 7 days around Jericho. She was promised to be rescued from death before the 7 days even started. She went to her room before the 7 days. She represents the gentile church who accepted the Lord almost 2000 years ago. The church was promised that they were "not destined for wrath". (7 days before the wrath - prophetically, gathered before the 7 years of tribulation) See the pattern? D) Angels forcibly removed Lot and his family from Sodom. He told them to leave the area, He did not promise to protect them where they were. Scriptures clearly say that His wrath could not come down until Lot and his family were removed and they went to another city and stayed there. See the pattern? God forcibly taking His beloved to save them from His wrath... E) The Israelites were protected from God’s wrath against Egypt. Not only did God have the Israelites strategically placed away from the Egyptians, none of the plagues that struck Egypt proper affected them. In fact, the Israelites were safely in their rooms (just like Noah, Matt 25, Isaiah 26 and Lot.) while the last plague struck Egypt. F) Jesus warned the Christians to leave Jerusalem when they see it surrounded by armies. He told them to leave the area, He did not promise to protect them where they were. G) God warned the Jews that they need to flee when they see the Anti-Christ. He told them to leave the area, He did not promise to protect them where they were. H) Jesus warned us of God’s coming wrath and how to escape it. I) Matthew 25:10-13 - 10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut. 11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’ 12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ 13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. (The virgins were taken to rooms BEFORE His wrath and other believers were left behind.) J) Matthew 13:47-50 - 47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind; 48 and when it was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away. 49 “So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Notice it says the good fish (the righteous) are put in containers while that bad fish are set aside. Think about this... The Lord gathers his people in Rev.4 (end of the church age). During that time, the unrighteous are awaiting judgment on earth (they have been set aside). God is nice enough to give them time to repent with the judgments are happening. At the end (Rev. 19), then the Lord returns with His bride and He vanquishes the enemy.) Time and time again, His pattern shows us that He has taken His people out of His oncoming wrath. Another pattern that is evident is "where" we are taken... Over and over again you see His people taken to rooms: Isaiah 26:19-21 - 19 “Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits. 20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while until indignation runs its course. 21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity. John 14:2-3 - 2 "In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 "If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. Matthew 25: Shows the 5 virgins taken to the room. Matthew 13: Shows the good being put into containers. Pre-Wrath The tribulation is for unbelievers, not believers. There will come a time when the Lord says, "Enough!" and when that happens, the church will be raptured up so the focus will all be on the Jewish nation. He will follow the same plan as He has always done and He will rescue His people from His wrath, then He will bring the punishment. God is a loving God who is waiting patiently to gather as many as He can. If He raptured the people in 70 A.D., most of the gentile church would have missed it. The world is going through trials and tribulations, but we are not going through God’s wrath. God did not make Noah live on the on the earth to be washed away with the flood. God did not make Lot go through the destruction of Sodom. The Flood and the fire upon Sodom was God's wrath. We are not destined for God's wrath. (Romans 8:1 - Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.) (1 Thessalonians 5:9 - For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,) (1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.) (Revelation 3:10-11 - 10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.) (Luke 21:36 - 36 "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.") (2 Thessalonians 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, and He will strengthen and protect you from the evil one.) (2 Peter 2:5-9 - 5 if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight; 6 if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction, reducing them to ashes as an example of what is coming on the ungodly; 7 and if He rescued Lot, a righteous man distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard) - 9 if all this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.)
God's wrath is shown to us in the 6 Seal Judgments of Rev. 6. Since we are not destined for wrath, then we need to be removed before the wrath. Since there are humans in Heaven on thrones, wearing crowns and wearing white garments in Rev. 4 (things promised to believers), then there is a pre-trib rapture.
Brother if it's God's wrath why are the saints crying how long to avenge our blood. I can't convince you it's the Holy Spirit job to do that I know my place brother blessings to you and your household
The ones saying that do not have the crowns or the thrones. They came out of the tribulation. If you have a group that calls itself the church, we both know there are people in it who are not saved. If God came and took His righteous, then who would be left? Those who thought they knew Him (Many will come to me on that day and say Lord, Lord...). People will get saved in the tribulation and unfortunately most of them will die. The group asking for vengeance are those who did not get raptured, but eventually got saved. There is no other explanation as to why where are different groups in Heaven. God promised that His bride would get crowns, white garments and would sit on thrones. Then why do we not see that in Revelation? We see those with the explicit rewards before the Seals are opened and we see others without those rewards after the Seals are opened. It is simple to understand as it is a timeline. God blesses the true church/bride with the rewards. The ones who did not fully believe (those left behind) do not get the rewards because they did not believe by faith. You see these two groups in heaven from Rev. 4 all the way to Rev. 20. God is going to use His bride to rule and reign with Him over all the others. If your theory is true, then we should see all believers in Heaven on thrones and wearing white/crowns in Rev. 19 when He gets the bride ready for the wedding supper of the lamb. Problem is, we don’t see that at all, we see the opposite.
@Plow - " Rev.19:1-10 IS NOT PRIOR TO THE 2ND COMING." Really? The whole scene from Rev. 1-10 is in Heaven, then He assembles His army and returns to the earth. Try reading it for yourself. How can that not be prior to His 2nd coming? Rev. 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. 13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. 15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. 16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” 17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.” 19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
Read Galations 1:8 to save yourself. And read and understand the chapter on 1 Thessalonians before you embark on this false doctrine lest you be cursed.
Enoch was good to show how the Pharisees recognized Jesus as the Son of man which to them was calling himself God and they were typically INCENSED. They weren't expecting the Messiah to be God. They still don't lol We need the holy Spirit and lots of praying in tongues to get the POWER down to destroy the works of the evil one. The steadfast prayer of a righteous man avails much! Bless you.
@@russellk.bonney8534 tongues is not Biblical for praying in synagogue... tongues is language..it's the prayer language..not meant for anyone to use in the open..it's you n your spirit praying directly to our Father .and the only time anyone used it before was at Pentecost..n the next time will be when the Elect will be delivered up to death ( Antichrist) to witness to him..
@@michelemcguire8995 Thank you for the reply which is unscriptural oat least two counts. There is historical records for tongues in several places in the NT and there is the gift of tongues for a church service which is to be interpreted in principle and then there is the personal prayer speaking which has persisted in many quarters to this day. No you don't have to do it but you don't have to have a life which includes cars and cellphones either. That's your choice.
Two scriptures for the rapture -- The definition of raptured means to be snatched away. There are two scriptures in the bible for the rapture. 1 Corinthians 15. 51-52 -- 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 King James Version (KJV) 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Thessalonians 4-13-18 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 King James Version (KJV) 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. As a matter a fact the first rapture was with Enoch in the bible who walk with God for 300 years and was taken away. The definition of the rapture is to be taken away The first rapture was Enoch Genesis 5-21-24 -- Hebrews 11 vs 5 Like 2 Kings 2;1 -11 Elijah was taken away rapture Many Christians are confused about the second coming of Christ with the rapture. please stop listening to your pastor and pick up the bible and study it for yourself. The rapture is before the grand tribulation. The second coming is after the grand tribulation read your bible . The Christians who are left behind will face the mark of the beast the grand tribulation.
Tribulation means troubles, who has ever escaped troubles?? How bad does it have to get?? No!! The fire is the fire of the working of the Holy Spirit!! The SONS is Man Child from the Woman(religion), those who have an awakening(quickening) in the Spirit, revelation of the Mysteries of The word & the MYSTERY of CHRIST (anointed). The tares are bound FIRST, Their works burnt up, The Wheat then stands tall & proven as the TRUE SEED!!
The real issue is not whether the rapture is pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath or post-trib. Assuming pre-trib rapture is correct, the next question one must ask is, "Am I qualified?" To disbelieve that there is no pre-trib rapture automatically disqualify us for the pre-trib rapture. God's message is "Be Rapture Ready" Be in the company of the 5 wise virgins. kiiiYah!!! This prophecy was given in 2014. COVID 19 pandemic was in 2020. Now is 2023 and the globalists are planning something really big happening by 2030. 😢
Why not you need to be purified it's not easy to go to heaven God is holy and you have to be holy just purifying with blood not enough you have to be in holy of holy place in his presence always in connection with God you can't do all wrong and go to heaven most think so no you have to face suffering for Jesus to go to heaven
Matthew 16;18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Revelation 13; 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. On the basis of a post trib or mid trib rapture, which one of the above scriptures is wrong? Revelation 2 ; 18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and the m that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And please explain what this scripture would be doing in the bible if the whole church were to here for any of the 7 years of Jacob's trouble? The 1st 69 weeks were for Hebrews and Jerusalem , however does the church get fitted into the 70th week? Revelation 2 22 . Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, EXCEPT they repent of their deeds. Jesus said HE will cast those who refuse to repent into Great Tribulation, EXCEPT they repent. Jesus knew an event (the departure) was coming before "The Great Tribulation" or HE would not not have use the conjunction word EXCEPT. And Daniel 7-21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; the beast can not prevail against the church . PRE; 7 years of Jacob's trouble; rapture;
I agree with him: Read: Revelation chapters 2-3: the Description of the Seven Minor Churches of Asia Minor, in Western Turkey today. Chapters 4-5 The Description of Heaven. Chapters 6-18 The Descriptions. Tribulations. Revelation chapter 19:1-10 The Description of the Return of Christ for His Bride. Revelation chapter 19: 11-20: 1-15 Descriptions of the Return of christ with His Bride for: a-The Battle of Armageddon where the Satanic Trinity will be defeated. b-The Antichrist, the Beast and the False Prophert will be thrown into the Lake of Fire Forevermore. C-Satan, all evil angels and the demons will be cast temporarily into Hell, called also Abyss for one thousand years where they will be suffered temporarily along side of all the Unbelievers. d. Jesus Christ along side of His Bride will rule the World in Jerusalem for One Thousand years. e. Satan will be released from Hell for a short time at the end of the 1000 years to gather together all the living Unbelievers at that period of time to raise against Christ and His Kingdom. The Fire from heaven will fall upon all of them, killing them all. Satan will be taken and cast unto the Lake of Fire, joining his friends, the Antichrist and the False Prophert there. f. The Great Judgment Day: Jesus Christ and His Bride will judge: 1. All evil angels and the demons to send them unto the Lake of Fire Forevermore. 2. All unbelievers will come out from different part compartments of hell to appear before the Great White Throne of Jesus Christ and His Bride to be judged. 3. Two Books will be opened: The Book of Eternal Life And the Book of Deeds which records the actions of everyone. Each person has a book which records the actions or deeds of his or her own deeds. The Book of Eternal Life records only the Names of all the Believers. All those unbelievers whose names are not recorded in the book of Life will be cast unto the Lake of Fire where there they will be spent their eternity with Satan, The Antichrist, the False Prophet, evil angels and the demons to be suffered eternally where there is no way out Forevermore.
The church is NO LONGER in Revelation after Chapter 4. We are not appointed to His Wrath and His Punishment. Israel is Israel. Jesus will step down on the Mount of Olives and rule 1000 years. He is going to deal with the Jews and the Earth Dwellers in Revelation.
Kerri Teed Noah went into the arc before the flood, Lot went to Zoar before the fire rain down. Of course we will be caught-up before that Great Tribulation. Post-trib stand is anti-Christ... declaring Christ's suffering and death is not enough for them to get saved.
The title is "the time of Jacob's trouble". NOWHERE in the KJV is the term "tribulation" ever given as a TITLE for this coming time period. Also, the seven trumpets you keep bringing up are all blown by ANGELS. The two references to the word "trump" (1 Cor. 15 & 1 Thess. 4) say that it is the trump of GOD, NOT an angel. Now compare this to Revelation 4:1 where John hears a "voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me..." the fact that in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 "... the LORD HIMSELF shall descend from heaven", but in Matthew 24:31 "... He shall SEND HIS ANGELS with a great sound of a trumpet"; CLEARLY 2 SEPARATE EVENTS. At the Rapture, Jesus comes for His Bride, at the second coming, He sends His angels. The more I study this topic, the clearer it becomes for me and the post trib believer seems to me more negligent of rightly dividing Scripture. If you don't hold to a pre trib rapture, the scripture comes apart like a garment and unravels in both OT and NT.
The rapture has to take place before the tribulation, because the rapture is imminent, if it comes after the tribulation then we would know times. So biblically the rapture is before the tribulation, which lines up with Gods Word, which says we are not appointed to Gods Wrath! END OF DISCUSSION!
terry walker The Pretribulation Rapture is REAL! Luke 21:36 “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” 🕇
His conclusions are based on wrong division of Scripture which derives from NOT drawing an exact distinction between the nation of Israel (earth) and the church Body of Christ (heaven). The Body of Christ will not go through Israel’s Tribulation and Day of the Lord. To begin with, Israel and the Body of Christ are not the same. Neither are God’s plans for them. God’s plan for Israel concerns Christ returning to earth in a spectacular event called the Revelation - to inaugurate His Kingdom in Jerusalem (Matt. 24-25; Rev. 19-20. This plan was “spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began” (Acts 3:21; see Luke 1:70). God’s plan for the Body of Christ is completely different. It concerns our heavenly inheritance, not an earthly kingdom. Jesus revealed this program to Paul only as a mystery “kept secret since the world began” (Rom. 16:25; see Eph. 3:3-9). In that it began as a mystery, it will likewise disappear in a mystery called the Rapture; an any moment event whereby Jesus returns for us in the air (1 Thess. 4:16-17), snatches us from earth, and takes us back to Heaven with Him (John 14:2-3) - when “the fulness of the Gentiles be come in” (Rom. 11:25). Then comes the time of Jacob’s trouble - aka Tribulation. The Tribulation - as it is most commonly known (Moses: Deut. 4:30; Jesus: Matt. 24:21, 29; John: Rev. 7:14) - is part of God’s earthly program for Israel. It is also called “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jer. 30:7; Dan. 12:1; Zeph. 1:15), Daniel’s Seventieth Week (Dan. 9:26-27), and “the hour of temptation” (Rev. 3:10. It has no bearing on the Body of Christ, which will be gone before it be-gins. From the beginning it was prophesied to Israel (Deut. 4:30), and thus is primarily for Israel (Jer. 30-31; Dan. 9:24-27; 12:1, Zeph. 1:15; Matt. 24:21, 29). Its purpose is to punish sin and sinners (Jer. 30-31; Zeph. 1; Joel; Rev. 6-19), and prepare earth and Israel for the Revelation of the Messiah and the Jew-ish (Millennial) Kingdom promised to Abraham on through David in perpetuity through Covenant (Judges 2:1; 2 Sam. 7:8-16), and sealed with an oath (Psa. 89:3-4, 20-37; see Luke 1:31-33). While the prophets revealed the Tribulation as a horrific but integral component in the Day of the Lord (Isa. 2:12, etc ), it was Daniel’s prophecy where its duration was revealed as the final week of seven years in his sev-enty week prophecy for Israel (Dan. 9:24-27; see Rev. 11:2-3; 12:14). To wit, while we can easily find Is-rael and the anti-Semitic Gentile nations on earth during “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jer. 30:7; Dan. 12:1; Zeph. 1:15), the heavenly Body of Christ - which has been promised deliverance from this divine punishment (1 Thess. 1:10; 5:9; 2 Thess. 2:5-7; Rev. 3:10; see also Rev. 4:1) - is conspicuously absent (Rev. 6-19). There isn’t a prophecy or a single verse anywhere in the Bible conclusively identifying the Body of Christ on earth during Israel’s Tribulation without pulling from context and redefining the words “saints” and “elect” - which in Daniel, the Olivet Discourse, and Revelation specifically refer to Israel. In light of these factors and others we are convinced that the Body of Christ will not go through Israel’s Tribulation! There isn’t a verse anywhere in the Bible conclusively identifying the Body of Christ on earth during Israel’s Tribulation without pulling from context and redefining the words “saints” and “elect” and “disciples”- which in Daniel, the Olivet Discourse, and Revelation are specifically linked to Israel.
JESUS SAID ...THIS .. JESUS SAID THAT.. JESUS SAID ALL TREE CLIMBERS MUST WEARE A HELMUT.. JESUS WAS SPEAKING TO TREE CLIMBERS,.. SO WHY ARE YOU WEARING A HELMUT IF YOUR NOT A TREE CLIMBER?
PlowsharesintoSwords you said = and know less about the Bible than your obvious ignorance of tree climbers...DUMBASS.. Is your comment a reflection of Gods love? cause if it is I dont want it.
Grace And Peace, Respectfully disagree with "church = a "woman!" *Be RICHLY Blessed!:* *The BRIDE, The LAMB's Wife!* *LORD JESUS, please Help us Today, with understanding Your doctrine.* Amen.: ► *"What Saith God's HOLY And Preserved Scripture?"* ◄ *"And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven* *vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither,* *I will shew thee The BRIDE, The LAMB's Wife. And he carried me away in* *the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me That Great City,* *The HOLY Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God!"* *(Revelation 21 : 9-10!)* *Let us be glad and rejoice, and give Honour To HIM: for The Marriage Of* *The LAMB Has Come, And HIS WIFE Hath Made herself ready. And to HER* *was granted that SHE Should Be Arrayed in fine linen, clean and white:* *for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints! (Revelation 19 : 7-8!)* *Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15!) From:* *The Body Of CHRIST!:* *"For HE [ CHRIST! ] is our Peace, Who Hath Made both One, and Hath Broken* *Down the middle wall of partition between us: Having Abolished in HIS Flesh* *the enmity, Even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to* *Make In HIMSELF of twain ONE NEW man, So Making Peace!" (Ephesians 2 : 14-15!)* ( "Church = a man!" ) bro Chris
Anyone who is sent into outer darkness is not going to heaven in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth these people have a form of godliness and they are serving themselves not the Lord Jesus Christ do not be deceived in these last days do not listen to false teaching!
Christians do not remain during the tribulation to suffer God's wrath. Luke 21 says that if we are persecuted it is for a testimony. We ARE called to be witnesses! Christians have been martyred for their faith throughout history. Was God's wrath being poured out on the apostles who were martyred? The more I study the scriptures, the more I am convinced that we need to be preparing to stand for Christ no matter the cost.
salita parker NO but they will be suffering the devil in the body of the antichrist wrath. u actually sound like u are really contradicting yourself. the devil be cast to earth and enter the body of the antichrist and he will make war on the woman aka the bride of christ for the last reamiang 3 and a half yrs of great tribulation. rev 12
+joseph Kevnu Where do you think that I am contradicting myself? Maybe I didn't explain myself as clearly as I should have, so I will try again. I agree that the Bible says that Christians are not appointed to suffer the wrath of God, but being persecuted by the antichrist is NOT the wrath of God. Many Christians believe that 1Thessalonians 5:9 teaches that the church will not be here to suffer under the reign of the antichrist. My point is that there is no scripture that says that we are exempt from persecution and that Luke 21 says that if we are, persecuted for our belief in Christ, our continued faith under duress can become a testimony to unbelievers. Even if we die rather than renounce Jesus, that it is not God's wrath-- it is the wrath of the persecutor (or ultimately the wrath of Satan). .
Salita is correct. GOD has to come deal with the passing of the Planet X, Nibiru and Nemesis, (2016? 2017?) that will pull on Earth's poles and cause great distruction. He snatches us up, who have FULL OIL LAMPS, those who are friends of Jesus and speak to him daily. After the pole shift, the ones who live though it will have to go though the GREAT TRIBULATION times on Earth for 7 years. Meanwhile we are in Heaven at the Marriage Feast of the Lamb of GOD! Getting ready to come back with JESUS and the Archangels to help finish off Armagedon.
The bride is NOT sanctified. He is NOT coming back for some ratchety ghetto mess. No matter when He comes back, always have your lamps filled with oil.
So God took Enoch, Noah and his family, Abraham and Lot, out of the time of judgment (God's wrath) and HE will make us all die in the Tribulation?? Daniel from the lion's den, 3 Henrews from the fiery furnace , etc. Enoch was translated so we will not all be destroyed/beheaded, etc I don't believe.
Funny, your basis for pre trib rapture is from Paul who himself was martyred for his faith. There's a reason God raised Enoch and Elijah out of earth and not dead. Because they're given particular purposes which is not for all believers. You do not understand how God works. Jesus suffered and died for us, well, doesn't that make all his followers expect the same fate for following Him?
Aglaya Majorem ; So now a Christian has to be crucified to prove he is a Christian. I suggest you go to the local Muslim mosque because they welcome people with thinking like yours.
There's no RAPTURE at all..it's not Biblical and it's not written either.its a false doctrine. CHRIST new Kingdom will be here, so there's no flying away anywhere..the only way anyone will get to heaven,is if they die before he returns.otherwise we will all be here during the great tribulation.. CHRIST RETURNS AFTER THE TRIBULATION.
The tribulations everybody will be here y it's for 1260 days or 3.5years or 42 months you will be here or you have died it will end the way it started read Daniel chapter 3:1-2,4-6 now who every tells you the tribulations is 7 years the bible said 7 times it's only 3.5 years and this is food for thought after the tribulations it's Jesus turn now remember the tribulations that's the beast and the false prophet Jesus return to end it and take over this world that's when you have the battle of Armageddon it's the Lord battle see they have parted his land and who have did it Ishmael and Esau or the Arab and the people calling themselves Jews it's a fact Psalm 83 and the book of obadiah You have false preacher saying psalm 83 is a war that's a lie how could Edom kick out Edom makes sense see one thing the John Hagee and Perry never read too the people they are preaching to is that people calling themselves Jews and the Arab were it together read it in obadiah verse 7 and last the biggest lie is the Israelites went back in 1948 ok where is Jesus Matthew Luke Noah Jacob John habakkuk Amos Mose Daniel Ezekiel Jeremiah David see if the Jews are back then showing me Jesus
It’s a 7 year covenant that is signed with anti christ in Daniels 70 th week. They call the whole 7 years the tribulation but actually the great tribulation is the last 3.5 years. The rapture happens after the abomination of desolation in the middle of the week. Read Mathew 24.
the 7 years has been shortened for the Elect of Father's who were elected at the beginning when he first CREATED everything..they stood against Satan then and they will stand against him this time around too!!
The Pretribulation Rapture is REAL. Luke 21:36 “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” Beware precious people+
No place in the bible will you find we leave earth AFTER Jesus returns & He returns AFTER the Tribulation. FOOLISH to think you will fly away on Magic Carpets. Make ready for the Tribulation people. For the sake of your children, MAKE READY.
Grace And Peace, Pastor. (1) Of course, this is *True!:* "No place in the bible will you find we leave earth AFTER Jesus returns!" we do NOT "believe" in "POST"-trib Either. *Pre-TOJT Departure Is BEFORE JESUS "Returns!"* Amen? { *Found In The BIBLE!* in the Next 5 Postings!...) (2) "make ready for the Tribulation"? *The Body Of CHRIST Has* *Already Been Going Through "tribulation" for Nearly 2000 Years!* *(Romans 5 : 3, 8 : 35, 12 : 12; 2 Corinthians 1 : 4; 1 Thessalonians 3 : 4!)* *(1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15!)* *(3) Should we not "Prepare" for ""believers"" JUDGMENT **_In Heaven!_* ?, instead of "preparing for _UNbelievers Judgment_ of Great Tribulation/Wrath" _on the earth!_ ? { Surely, Pastor, YOU are NOT an UNbeliever, Are you??? } God Bless! bro Chris continued in *GRACE Evacuation Away From* _the earth,_ NOT -"magic carpet ride"-
*GRACE And Peace From God, The Father, And, From The LORD JESUS CHRIST!* *Romans - Philemon Teaches The Revelation Of The MYSTERY, The Age Of GRACE!,* *Which Is CLOSED By The GRACE Departure Of The Body Of CHRIST!!* Amen?: Note: without *God's Holy Spirit,* it will Be IMPOSSIBLE to "understand" *God's GRACE Departure Doctrine (1 Corinthians 2 : 13-14!),* so, *The Following!* Must Occur FIRST! Amen?: *God's GREATEST News Ever = HIS Gospel Of The Amazing GRACE Of God!* For ALL who have NOT YET *Been WASHED IN THE BLOOD!* Do you Desire ETERNAL Condemnation? If so, then just please "remain" as you are - In "UNbelief": 😢 ↓ (Luke 18 : 11-12!) for ALL others who wish to be "humble" ♫😇↑ (Luke 18 : 13-14!): *FAITH Cometh By hearing, And hearing By The Word Of God!:* Amen?: *(ALL Scriptures From God's Preserved WORD = KJV! ##)* *The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God! = God's ETERNAL Salvation! By:* 100% faith (heart belief, trust!) in *The LORD JESUS CHRIST,* *In HIS Blood, And In HIS Resurrection! = God's ETERNAL Life!!* *(Romans 10 : 17; 1 Corinthians 15 : 1-4 And Ephesians 2 : 5-10!)* *Good Works Will Not Save you, But Will Get you Rewards At:* *The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST! (1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15!)* ***Note1: Verse 15! Teaches ETERNAL SALVATION "Despite Loss!"*** ***Note2: IF you just BELIEVED This AND your Are The LAST "member"* *Of The Body Of CHRIST, we Are Going To Be Raptured Outta Here,* *so, learn This Right NOW, And you Will Receive A crown At Judgment!:*** *"Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness,* *Which The LORD, The Righteous Judge, Shall Give me At That Day:* *And not to me only, but unto All them also that love HIS Appearing!"* *(2 Timothy 4 : 8!)* Amen? --------------------------------------------- IF you are in any "religion" with ONE "false doctrine," it is UNclean!, Please *Obey God, WHO Commands:* *"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, Saith* *The LORD, And touch not the unclean thing; and I Will Receive you,* *And Will Be A Father Unto you, and ye Shall Be MY sons and daughters,* *Saith The LORD Almighty!" (2 Corinthians 6 : 17!)* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Therefore: *God's ETERNAL Salvation Is THE Best Motivation For "true"* *believers to serve God "out of love," being SAVED For ETERNITY!* rather than "serving out of FEAR" of "losing Probationary" salvation!: *"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power,* *And of love, and of a sound mind!" (1 Timothy 1 : 7!)* ------------------------------------------------------------------- continued in *God's Age Of GRACE - Closing Departure!...*
Part I Introduction to: *Distinctions Between Pre-TOJT “Mystery” Coming | Rightly* *Divided From |* The Second “Prophesied” Coming: *LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee For Thy Divine Understanding In This* *Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.* Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4 : 18!) Time Of JACOB’s Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in: God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom (“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation) God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose _FROM_ “the foundation of the world” (Matthew 25 : 34) God's Purpose prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1 : 68-70; Acts 3 : 21!) *Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15!) From:* *Pre-TOJT Departure/Resurrection, Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:* *God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!* *{Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)* *God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose **_BEFORE_** “the foundation of the world”* *(Ephesians 1 : 4; 2 Timothy 1 : 9!)* *God's Purpose Kept **_Secret_** “since the world began”* *(Romans 16 : 25; Ephesians 1 : 4-11, 3 : 5-9!)* continued in *Part II.. God Bless!*
Part II Distinctions Between SECOND Coming And *Pre-TOJT Departure/Resurrection:* The SECOND Coming, According to “Prophecy:” (1) CHRIST, In His “Prophesied” Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords, Is Coming From Heaven! (Revelation 19 : 16, 11) (2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On HIS Head, And A Sword In HIS Mouth! (Revelation 19 : 12-15) (3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven), HIS armies on white horses! (Revelation 19 : 12-15) *Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15!) From:* *The Secret Coming, According to The “Mystery!”:* *(1) CHRIST, As Head Of HIS Body, The Church, Will Descend From Heaven!* *(Ephesians 1 : 19-23; Colossians 1 : 18; 1 Thessalonians 4 : 16!)* *(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel, And* *With The Trump of God! (1 Thessalonians 4 : 16!)* *3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With HIM (those who Were With HIM In* *Heaven), “part” Of HIS Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”* *(2 Corinthians 5 : 8; Philippians 1 : 21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4 : 13!)* continued in *Part III.. God Bless!*
overtcovert No Not True You do not know this man! This must be the only message you have listened to.....he Love the Jews and If you only knew what he was doing for the Jewish people... you do not know what your talking about!!! ...Most of his teaching is the old Testament...
Henrietta, Henrietta Adame agree. No one stands for Israel and the Jewish people more than Neville. He Knows replacement theology is a doctrine of satan.
I am also confused about the Rapture. Its was taught that Zachariah 14:5 and a verse in Rev. suggest that Jesus will return with the saints. Therefore the Rapture had happened before the Tribulation. But the Rapture is only for the Sanctified and those who had made themselves ready!
Oh no sir , the word of God say’s other wise , its The Rapture which is the biblical event that triggers the 7 yr. Time Clock ; Jesus meets the saints in the air. And The 7 yr. tribulation ends with Christ return to the earth to reign & this biblical event triggers the 1000 yr. REIGN TIME CLOCK .
Wrong. Christ return (2nd coming) is the rupture. Before that, all who are alive will be tested during the great tribulation. No escape, be ready to reject the mark of the beast and endure till the end. Look towards the reward of your final race sir.
@@meleajj9810 The event that triggered the beginning of the Church age & is the age that we live in now was Our LORD & SAVIOUR JESUS Christ resurrection on the 3rd day . Before then the Old Testament saints after death their soul went to a place in the earth that was a place of comfort & rest & peace . Sheol , but also called Paradise , the thief on the cross went to paradise with Jesus as he took the OLD TESTAMENT SAINTS out from there to heaven. A dispensational time ended & another one started , & throughout the Bible from Genesis to the church age , THIS HAS HAPPENED , but the triggered event that takes us outta here is the rapture or great snatching away of the saints , & so shall we forever be with him, The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ (not Mormons) , is the CHURCH AGED saints ppl who have been saved from the resurrection to the rapture do not go through no part of the 7yr tribulation, but we return back to the earth at the end of 7 yrs. satan is Defeated & locked away for a 1000yrs. We come back in white robe’s precisely following our Lamb of God , SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST , who is known as the “WORD OF GOD” as well. The Bible teaches this , & the way , the truth & the Life which is JESUS CHRIST , THIS is not blasphemy to believe this . But to say I have the wrong SAVIOUR , JESUS CHRIST WHO CAME IN THE FLESH, BUT YET & still is GOD . No sir or No mam, I have the right Christ ,& the book of Danial has nothing to do with the rapture , the apostle Paul is the one who said “behold I show you a Mystery” . Danial new nothing of this . We shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye & shall meet the LORD IN THE AIR & SO SHALL WE FOREVER BE WITH HIM. Amen! satan locked away for a 1000 ushers the time period when JESUS CHRIST rules this earth with a iron rod . Not gonna tell you , you have a different Christ at least yet. But if you are in to the word of faith movement, >then< I’d say you have the wrong Gospel , & a false Christ . But for now I’m saying you are not understanding the scriptures.
I came to this deeper understanding today through Chuck Missler: Acts 1:9-11 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a CLOUD hid him from their sight. 10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the *SAME* way you have seen him go into heaven.” it says: we will see JESUS come back the SAME WAY ---> ENVELOPED in a CLOUD. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." That return/coming of JESUS is very different to His Coming at the end of the Great Tribulation. Revelation 19:11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. To me one is the Rapture and the other the 2nd coming. Those verses definitely speak of TWO DIFFERENT events.
No rapture before the Great Tribulation? Did Noah swim on the waters? Did Lot hide from falling fires? Jesus' said, "as it was in the days of Noah... as it was in the days of Lot... so shall be in the of the Son of Man"... well, only 1 family of Noah saved, Lot's wife lost, so, only few can make it to the rapture.
Boy Bautista But Lot was not raptured. He was led away, not into the heavens, but away from punishment. And the same goes for Noah. They were led by God into safety.
The flood in Noah and fire in Lot were just foreshadows of greater event to come, the Marriage of the Lamb. The bride will march up to the cloud where the groom waiting.
Boy Bautista The Pretribulation Rapture is REAL! Luke 21:36 “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
The body of christ has got to get back to torah and get out of babylon sunday sun worship. Lawlessnes means without torah. we have got to get back to the feast days instead of pagan holidays such as christmas/birth of the sun and easter/ishtar goddess of fertility.the body of christ needs to be looking for Eligah since he comes before Masiah
The tribulation and God's wrath are two separate things. We are not appointed to God's wrath. The more I study this subject the more I see we are staying for the tribulation. We can believe what we want that is our right, but I rather prepare for the tribulation and be surprised by the rapture, than to prepare for the rapture and be surprise for the tribulation.
Amen, so agree.
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Little Angel Where does it happen? I mean, WHEN are we raptured?
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Thessalonians 413 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
2 Thessalonians 22 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
1 Peter 412 Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; 13 but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. 14 If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.
Daniel 12:13 "But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.” ("arise at the END OF THE DAYS")
And Jesus told us in John 6, FOUR TIMES, that we will rise "at the LAST DAY"
39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
And when?? Back to 1 Thessalonians 415 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Lines up with Daniel being told to rest and he would arise at the end of those days. Dead rise first, then those that are alive and remain UNTIL THE COMING OF THE LORD.....will rise, be caught up and meet Jesus in the air! Amen!
Francisco Torres See Rev.3:6-13, that is where our faith will pass the test or not!
Right my brother!!
Just lot was taken before the Sodom n Gomorrah's destruction.. Noah was taken before the destruction..
So will we be TAKEN BEFORE God's wrath.
As bible says, 1 thiss5:9 God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Always feel blessed with the teachings of the trio (Neville Johnson, Dr. Bruce Allen, Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj). God bless the three of them🙏🏻
include pastor Joe sweet
And also Rev Francis Stephen Sadhu's young bro this five are the best and God spirited they are a blessing to many souls and we appreciate them so much they have become our fathers in the gospel and we thank God for them Amen
@@marymomanyi5850 wait ? Pastor Steven franchis is prophet sadhu sundar’s younger brother ! I always thought they looked similar
@@manojchapagai8977 yes they are brothers
How can I find them? Are they all on RUclips?
This is the kind of preaching we need in all the churches now.
Amen
I just love watching & listening to Nevs teachings over & over, so it well cemented in my spirit. Such Truth From God's Word. I'm not only astounded, but deeply saddened by the deliberate misleading of God's Word by preachers who all differ in this subject. We stay true to God in the tribulation. God will stay True to us. He will Never leave us, Or Forsake us. We do not have to fear one iota. He IS Faithful. Hallelujah!! Praise God. I'm Trusting Him!!
Thank you from the bottom of my heart.Anem
He’s still with us and being used mightily in the spirit realm
He’s absolutely correct! I’ve known for years there’s no rapture before tribulation! It’s actually arrogant and selfish to believe you’re too good to be tested by our Father. Everyone will be tested in that age!
I respect your opinion but I’m still not totally convinced. I do wish though that you wouldn’t classify the saints that believe in the rapture prior to the tribulation as being arrogant… they just maybe overcomers who will be working with the Lord from that dimension during that time. Many very godly saints have believed it to be the blessed hope. And, he who has that hope purifies himself.
All of us are encouraged to overcome.
To say all must be tested, what about previous generations that never endured such a drastic testing. Honestly, I’m not looking to be critical or argumentative, just want to voice another opinion.
I love Neville, we all miss him!
did he says anything about vaccine??
Don't take the vax or any boosters. Pray in faith by the blood of Jesus.
Yes we do when did he pass away
Rev. Neville Johnson is a true man of God. Thank God for him.
This is a supplemental prayer to Rev. Neville Johnson's prophecy in his being led by the Holy Spirit to speak to foreign peoples, & them supernaturally hearing the message in their native tongue. Praying that the Holy Spirit not only accommodate the message to their language, but also that He accommodate the message individually, to be perfectly suited to what they each need to hear... receiving the gospel of Jesus Christ in the most tailored and perfect way. Perfection in Perfection. Praying that the Lord would then turn their hearts toward Him, that they might believe and receive salvation, declaring Him sovereign King in their lives. All Glory and Honor and Praise To Our Righteous and Risen King Jesus! Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, AMEN!! Oh Thank You, THANK YOU LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!! Thank You!
The Lord showed me in a dream, we would be here till mid-tribulation. At that time, we will be martyred, or raptured, according to God s design. In the last year, i ve had 2 more dreams, concerning the end-times. In both these dreams, the Lord showed me concentration camps, and they we re torturing and then killing us. I was preaching the gospel, even when i was in the detention centers. God will be with us ever thru everything and give us peace..thru it all!
Oh thank you Jesus for opening my eyes, making me to know it's tribulation before rapture and teaching me how to walk with You. Amen!
Isaiah 26: 9.... "When Your judgement is on the earth, the Inhabitants of the Earth learn righteousness!" Oh how very true for this Season of Coronavirsus Pandemic. Amen and amen Hallelujah and praise the Lord Jesus Christ whereby Satan is Defeated. Period
Thank you Lord Jesus! Thank you for your wonderful, wonderful words. May the Lord Jesus bless you and your ministry. I received all your messages.
Thanks for posting. Thank God for Neville.
Absolutely beautiful sermons and truly what Prophet Neville Johnson said and described the Heavenly Kingdom. Bless the Lord O My Soul! Holy! Holy! Holy! Be thy Name In Jesus Christ Glorious and Mighty Name! Amen! Amen! Amen!
Thank you Rev. Neville for the confirmation I seek after that rapture will be after the Great Tribulation and before the Wrath of God. May God continue to use you mightily for His Kingdom. Thank you to the person posting this video. Praise King Yeshua! Shalom.
For those of you who do not believe in Pre-Trib Rapture, I would love to have a peaceable debate using the Word of God and not "You're wrong!" comments. If you think Pre-Trib is wrong, then please answer the following questions.
1) Who are the people in Heaven in Revelation chapters 4 & 5? Why do these people who are wearing white, have crowns and thrones?
(Revelation 4:4 - Around the throne were twenty-four thrones; and upon the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white garments, and golden crowns on their heads.)
Those things are promised to believers in Christ, not to Old Testament characters or angels: Matthew 19:28 - (Saints will have thrones), 2 Timothy 4:8 - (Crowns to be awarded on that day), 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 - (Saints judge)
2) This verse shows that all believers in Christ rise at the same time to meet the Lord in the air:
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 - 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.)
According to this verse, the dead are waiting just like we are. They are in a place called Paradise in Sheol. So if they all go at the same time and they can't go before they are called, there should be no humans in Heaven until He gathers them. Right? Then, once again, who are the people in Heaven in Revelation chapters 4 & 5? It is like an if/then statement. If no one goes to heaven until He calls, then there should be no one in Heaven in Revelation 4, 5 & 7. If we see humans there that early, that means the rapture had to take place.
3) How can these elders sing a song that says they were redeemed from the earth in Revelation 5, if there is no pre-trib rapture?
(Revelation 5:9-10 - 9 And they sang a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open the seals thereof: for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And have made us unto our God a kingdom and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.”)
(Notice “redeemed us by your blood” and “made us unto our God a kingdom and priests” ) These 24 elders cannot be angels or Levites because neither of them have salvation through the blood of Jesus.
4) Who are there people in Revelation 7 that "HAVE COME OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION"?
(Revelation 7:14 - "Sir," I answered, "you know." So he replied, "These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.)
So how can these people come out of the tribulation and meet the other saints from Revelation 4 & 5 if there is no pre-trib rapture?
5) Matthew 25:1-12 gives us the parable of the ten virgins:
(Matthew 25:10-12 - 10“And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut. 11“Later the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open up for us.’ 12“But he answered, ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13“Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.)
All 10 virgins knew who the Lord was and were waiting for His return. It shows that the Lord took 5 virgins into a feast and the door was shut. That would leave 5 left behind. According to the Post-Trib folks, God comes back for us at the very end. How can this be, when clearly in the parable, He gathers the true followers up to a room and leaves the rest behind? Revelation 19 clearly shows the Lord returning with His bride to conquer the world.
6) Matthew 24, Luke 21 sound like the same exact event. They are not. In fact, they are written to 2 different groups. Matthew is written with Jews in mind, Luke is written with gentiles in mind.
Matt 24 say He comes after the destruction and wrath and it also says all the tribes (Israel) will see His sign.
Luke 21:28 says He gathers us before those things and it does not mention the tribes.
As for Luke 21...
Jesus gave us a laundry list of things that are signs of His coming and signs of God's wrath. Now, after the laundry list, he said:
(Luke 21:28 - When these things BEGIN to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”)
Notice that when we see these things BEGIN to take place we will be redeemed. Not during, not at the mid-point, not at the end, but when we see these things BEGIN to take place. We have been seeing these things happening in the past 10 years or so.
After that promise, he adds this:
(Luke 21:34-36 -34 “Be on guard, so that your hearts will not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day will not come on you suddenly like a trap; 35 for it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of all the earth. 36 “But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”)
First of all, if we can’t escape it, then why tell us to watch for it?
Second, notice that it says “it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of all the earth”. If it comes on all, then no one can escape what is coming.
Third, many of the things on that list (that will come upon “all who dwell”) are not escapable. You can’t escape an earthquake. You can’t escape a world-wide famine. Etc.
Also notice that He promised to rescue us so we can ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS. Not some of them, not half of them, all of them. So how do you have an event coming on the whole earth that will affect everyone, but some can somehow escape it? Besides that, what would be the purpose of allowing His bride to be beat up by the wrath of God? What purpose would or death during an earthquake mean to the world?
Those who will have to go through this punishment and wrath are those who have been left behind (Matt. 25 and the 10 virgins are a classic example of this).
7) Many people believe that the Lord will gather us at the end, when He returns to the earth. How can He come back FOR US at the end when scripture clearly says He comes back WITH US?
(1 Thessalonians 3:13 - … at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints.)
(Zechariah 14:4-5 - 4 “…. Then the LORD, my God, will come, and ALL THE HOLY ONES WITH HIM!”)
(Revelation 19:14 - The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. (to clarify, Rev 19:8 - “Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear. (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God's holy people.”)
8) Why does Isaiah 26:19-21 give a timeline that clearly shows the dead rising to life before the wrath? If there is no Pre-Trib, then who are these who are rising and going to rooms? To add to that, Jesus said, "In My Father's house are many rooms". Wouldn't they be the same rooms?
(Isaiah 26:19-21 - 19 “Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits. 20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while until indignation runs its course. 21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity. )
Clearly, God raises His people from the dead BEFORE His wrath comes.
9) Is God a liar? God promised we are NOT destined for wrath:
(Romans 8:1 - Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
(1 Thessalonians 5:9 - For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
(1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.)
(Revelation 3:10-11 - 10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.)
(Luke 21:36 - 36 "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.")
There is a difference between trials and tribulations on the earth and Gods wrath (the time of Jacob’s Trouble).
10) Jesus told His disciples that the gates of hell cannot hurt the church, then let (what you think is the church) get overcome by Satan? Because there are 2 separate events and it is the saints, not the church who is overcome in Revelation 13.
The short answer to all these questions is, there are two gatherings... One for the church, which is not destined for wrath and one for Israel who is destined for God's wrath.
There's no rapture
There's no rapture
CHRIST new Kingdom will be here.so put on the full armor of God so you will be able to stand!!!
JesusIsSalvation23 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[a] 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness[b] is revealed, the son of destruction,[c] 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God
I told a few close friends of mine the anointing need and would increase in our lives coming near the end and to reach out to the hurting and the wounded while there is light and we can reach out.
As jes us said the hour coming we will not have the same freedom.God bless you brother John my vision is enlargedas I lisin to you.
I held a men's meeting recently and the word the Lord gave me was from 2 kings 2. This teaching fit's right into it .
Lord help us stand firm and strong in You
Way to preach the truth...!!!! finally. !!! great works
Been blessed, glory be to God
Thanks for the precious words and the impartation
What part of "AFTER the tribulation of those days" is so hard to understand??
Yea. It isnt hard to get.
Excellent MAN OF GOD
Finally...the truth !!!!!!!!!
Yes! Not! The Rapture is coming soon and before the 7 year Tribulation period. Whether you believe it or not. It's in the Word.
I want this
Lord, I receive Your Spirit of Enoch!
No rapture before tribulation he is right all false prophet say various things read revelation it is there
It's not Biblical
The reason that the Jews rejected Jesus the first time, is because they did not see the distinction between two separate events. The first time Jesus came, it was with humility, affliction, and he was killed for our sins. The second time he comes, it’s going to be with a rod of iron, judgment, and to establish the kingdom age. Since that last bit didn’t take place, the Jews said, "this couldn’t be the Messiah, because those things didn’t happen."
The second coming is no different, there are two different “visits”. Some of these verses are logically impossible statements, if it’s not two events.
Paul’s message of imminency, the church and Israel are separate bodies, the church is not appointed to wrath, nor is the church even mentioned during the tribulation.
We know the timing of the tribulation extremely well. It’s not going to be very “thief” like, if the rapture is only at the end of the final week, after the seventh trumpet consisting of 7 bowls, at the end of the battle of Armageddon, for which we are given both starting points, and a day count leading up to the abomination, and a day count after the abomination that causes desolation.
Paul says the restrainer is currently at work in his day.
2 Thessalonians 2:7
“For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.”
SO who can be on the earth restraining him in Paul’s day but then be taken out of the way 2000 years later? No mortal thing, but perhaps the Holy Spirit who lives in us?
So if He lives in us well then that explains Revelation 12:4-5 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,
Why else is this written in Revelation where it is in that chapter? Does he not live in us, “the mystery of Christ in us”, given at pentecost? Yes he does, who else is getting caught up?
That’s also the exact same word Rapturo that was used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 I’ll show you further on.
If you believe in a post-trib rapture, and the "Last trump" from 1 Corinthians 15:52 is the seventh trumpet, then technically people aren’t actually taken at the end, they would be taken at the beginning of the seven bowls when the trumpet is blown. You can’t even say it's at the final bowl, because it still needs to take effect, and it’s a bowl, not a trumpet. So, that doesn’t make any sense, because his return to earth is after all the wrath has been poured out.
True believers in Christ, during the Church Age, are represented by the Church of Philadelphia, and are promised to be kept from "the hour of trial".
Revelation 3:10, “Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.”
That's the WHOLE Earth, have you read what is going to happen in the final week?? There is no way you can be kept from that wrath for seven years, if you are here , you are going to be greatly affected by it no matter where you are.
1 Thessalonians 1:10,
“and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead-Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.”
That’s wrath, not Hell, or eternal punishment.
Paul’s message is one of hope, and joy, and encouragement.
1 Thessalonians 5: 4-11, But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9 FOR GOD DID NOT APPOINT US TO SUFFER WRATH but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.
Romans 5:9 states,
“Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!”
Saved from wrath again there.
Ephesians 5:6 states,
“Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.”
Then there is this statement about how we meet Christ in the clouds, and from that point on we are with him forever.
1 Thessalonians 4:16,17
16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be CAUGHT UP ( Latin Rapturo, or greek Harpazo ) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage one another with these words.
If this happened at the end, there would be a mention of the trumpet Jesus himself blows, but there is no mention of any trumpets at the end in revelation, rather is a rushing sound of water and people saying certain phrases.
We all also would have to first go up to the clouds at the battle of Armageddon. Then come back down immediately with him in glory. Which is very strange.
Colossians 3:4 states,
“When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.”
So how can we appear with him if we aren’t already with him, but still on earth?
Also, Matthew 24:40-41
Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
Why would that happen at the end? That means all those people are just left on earth, and skip the judgement? maybe they just hang out for an undisclosed amount of time? While God gets things sorted? If these people are left here on earth, how do we get on with the kingdom age on earth? We aren’t told they will be there for the kingdom age. That scenario doesn't make sense either. Again and again, Scripture states the Church is not meant to endure the wrath.
The Bible says the final week after Jesus is FINISHED with the gentles, that it is a time to provoke jealousy to the jews. SO how is that going to happen? As of today, most of them still don’t accept Jesus, and they certainly aren’t jealous of Christians. What could possible convince the jews in this final week?
Roman’s 11:11
Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.
Roman’s 11:25
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,”
Then what happens once the full number comes in? Jacob’s trouble, that’s what. Once they realize all this, they will definitely be “envious”, but they will have the "Two witnesses" who are also both jewish, and so are the 144,000, to help them figure it all out. There will be unsaved people who go into the final seven, but they will refuse the mark of the beast. They will be the tribulation saints, whether martyred or make it to the end. Then at the end of it all, He will come back again to pull the rest out, and we will be with him "In glory", to do that.
Every time that I read through the new testament as quickly as I can for congruency, the message is that of hope, imminency, be ready, and love. Everything all through out the New Testament gives the impression that we don’t know when he will return, be ready, and stay on your best behavior.
Matthew 24:43,44
43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
We do not know when the rapture is going to happen. However, we do have a complete map of events, and a timeline with a day count to the center marker, and a day count after the marker, mapping out the entire final seven.
Finally, so far almost every time a post tribulation rapture person approaches me, it’s done nastily, unloving, with arrogance, and condescension. It is crazy how often that happens, and honestly a great indicator that they’re wrong. To me that is a loud declaration of their biblical comprehension upfront. Clearly after whatever they have read, they not only don't understand the rapture, they don’t even get the more important message of how to conduct themselves as Christians. They often also believe they can loose their salvation, still believe repentance is required for eternal life, and or that water baptism is required for salvation as well. It really makes me wonder why they miss all of this, if they have indeed read the bible, as they claim. 100 people can take the same test, and each of their results will reflect their study.
@@ithasbeenwritten222who is the child?
@@wannieconstantino1661 Jesus. However, I do believe in the instance. It is referring to Christ who lives in us.
@@ithasbeenwritten222 in genesis the woman is the israel and the man child is Jesus, but in revelation i think the woman is the church giving birth to remnant. base on revelation 12. it is only my thought.
I sure he now know that there is a rapture before the wrath
Powerful and prophetic message! Thank you!
I see many losing their faith should there be no pre-trib. if pre-trib is true then its not fair to our brothers and sisters in other countries who are already being beheaded and persecuted for their faith. we should be raptured by now so they can also escape persecution and beheading. its natural to be fearful for what is to come to the world because its inhumane. concerning God's wrath and tribulation the book of revelations clearly states the difference. revelation 8 clearly states the stages of God's wrath and revelations 13 and Daniel 8 clearly states what the anti-christ is going to do during the period he is allowed to reign on earth. it doesn't take one to believe in Christ to see this day light distinction. for those who like to quote 1thess 4;16-end why don't you ever quote or talk about 2thess 2;1-4? Apostle Paul clearly explains what he talked about in 1thess4. I want to believe pre-trib so bad but ever since I read 2thess2; 1-4... it changed everything
Amen sister. Who are we, cuddled in the western world having not gone through anything yet, to think we are going up with them?
Stop listening to the Catholic Church..it's that synagogue of Satan is where the false rapture doctrine came from.its not going to happen.
No one can enter into HEAVEN while still in the flesh..only SPIRITS can.
Amen!, and we need to be ready to help those who become disillusioned when they are not raptured. Many will fall away .
Thank you Jesus and Thank you brother Amen.
Radical br Neville! Radical indeed. Especially Christ in us for the world. It is a great calling and responsibility.
We need to be radical for Jesus.
I would not want to be spit out of Gods mouth for being neither cold or Hot.
I believe Neville is a true man of God
Thank you, Brother Neville.
We are in the time of the seals... Revelation 6. Also, we are living now in Isaiah 60, Arise, shine, for the Glory of God is risen upon you, though gross darkness covers the earth, yet my light shall be seen upon thee.
Thank you so much.
2th ch2 all will be changed, but not untill the son of perdition is revealed. HOW MUCH EVIDENCE DO CHRISTIANS NEED!
Changed into our spiritual bodies..that's at the very moment CHRIST returns at the last and final Trump 7th..
Satan comes at the 6th Trump,
Never been able to explain that one away and no one can give me a good answer for it
These days l'am Missing you a lot
I was once mid/post trib. No one could tell me any different. One day a trusted brother in Christ challenged me to do more studies on it so I could be a better witness for Christ. They encouraged me to study through Israel's role and the church's role. They also encouraged me to put all end time scriptures on the same piece of paper and start reading them all in context to find out who it is talking about and where those verses are put into play. What I found astounded me and made me change my position. Ever since then, I have been leading ministries and teaching for the past 10 years. I have found interesting contradictions and I bring them to your attention.
So far I have seen the following contradictions:
He comes and gathers us AFTER His wrath (Matt 24:29-31).
He comes and gathers us BEFORE His wrath (Luke 21:25-28).
He gathers us and puts us in rooms (Isa 26) & (Matt 25:1-13).
He come back with us (Rev 19:14), (Zechariah 14:4-5) & (1 Thes 3:13).
Angels gather us (Matt 24:29-31).
He gathers us (1 Thess 4:16-17)
He calls us up to the clouds (1 Thess 4:16-17).
He comes to the earth to gather His people (Matt 24:29-31).
People in Heaven in Revelation 4 & 5 sing praises to God for His blood that gave them salvation BEFORE the Seal and Trumpet Judgments..
Matthew 24 shows the Lord coming back for His people after the Seal and Trumpet Judgments.
God says we are not destined for wrath.
God brings His wrath against the whole world starting in the Seal Judgments and it eventually kills off more than 2/3’s of the people.
Jesus said the church cannot be overcome.
Revelation 13 says the saints are overcome.
According to mid/post theories, people say God will protect us through the tribulation.
If that is the case, then why does it say this in Revelation 7:14 - "Sir," I answered, "you know." So he replied, "These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Why did these folks die and go to Heaven?) (Also, how is this is Revelation 7?)
According to mid/post theories God says we are all going through the tribulation.
The following verses we are told that we can escape His wrath. How can we escape His wrath if supposedly we must go through it?
(Luke 21:36 - “But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”) (Revelation 3:10-11 - 10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.)
(1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.)
(Psalms 27:5 - For in the day of trouble he will keep me safe in his dwelling; he will hide me in the shelter of his tabernacle and set me high upon a rock.)
(Luke 21:28 - When these things BEGIN to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”)
(Isaiah 26:19-21 - 19 “Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits. 20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while until indignation runs its course. 21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity)
Even if I had to pick one contradiction that proved my point, I could easily point to the elders in Heaven (Rev. 4), they are singing a song thanking God for their redemption (Rev. 5). If 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is true and mid/post trib is true, then there should be no humans in Heaven until sometime later in the Book of Revelation. You see what I mean? It is like an if/then statement. If no one goes to heaven until He calls, then there should be no one in Heaven in Revelation 4, 5, 6, & 7. If we see humans there that early, that means the rapture had to take place. Also, the people in Revelation 4 are wearing white, have crowns and thrones. Those things are only promised to believers in Christ. See my point? It's not about believing a theory, it is about lining up scripture and making sure there are no contradictions. How can I make the above verses work out to end end time gathering? I can’t. I’ve tried everything and it does not work out.
I used to believe the pre tribulation rapture, after study and prayer, I now can see the holy word for what it is. It all makes sense. I can read it and take it literally and it all falls into place without using a secret rapture definition by faith. God doesn't want us to be in the dark. Matthew 24, mark13, Luke 21 and revelation 6, put them side by side and it pops out at you in a full picture. Don't be misled! I PRAY EVERYONES SPIRITUAL EYES BE OPENED TO THE TRUTH, AMEN!
Bless you.. again your talking about somethings that were written to Jews and also leaving out so many other things. 1st.. there is no PRE MID OR POST in the bible..this is not written. The 1st book Paul by the sweet sweet Spirit of God was Thes.. where we get caught up..goes on and on about this because they thought they missed it. Those words were told to comfort one another. Who beats up there bride and then takes her out to dinner. There have always been things that stick out to me. Well greater is HE that is in YOU then he thats in the world. All power over the enemy ALL has been given to us that know Christ and nothing not some things NOTHING shall by ANY MEANS hurt you. So from what I read all the demons all the fallen angels can stand before me and I have all power over them..Christ IN ME. IN ALL believers.
So for the enemy to ever have power over me.. he would have to have power over JESUS in me. This can no ever happen. Its written the one holding the lawless one back..only when He is taken out of the way will the lawless one be revealed. Does not get clearer then that. Only that which has more power over satan is out of the way does then we read satan comes and does lying wonders. See Jesus said.. I go to make you a home and if I go I will come back and get you/take you/receive you unto my self so where I am you will be. So tell me WHERE is He going? He told them....WHERE I go you know. So by GODS own words.. He is coming back to take us to WHERE He is. So if this man that did just WOW all kind of awesome wonders and everything He ever said always happened.. and you were standing there and He said.. I am going but will come back and get you.. you tell me.. WHEN is He coming to get you? NOW.. it will always be NOW when He comes. There is no pre mid or post. He wants us to be ready NOW!
Ever read a old Jewish wedding? He pays a price for the bride he wants. He takes of back to his fathers house to make them a home. She? She has no clue when he is coming to get her so she gets ready and is always watching for him. So about a year later he comes back and mostly at night with friends.. makes a loud noise so she knows he is coming. He gets her takes her back to his fathers house ..for about 7 days. This is not made up not a guess ..it is what they use to do. And where did all these JEWISH things come from?
And lol wow here we have Jesus telling us.. He is going back to make us a home.. for in His Fathers house are many rooms. And will come back and get us so where He is we will be. Where I go you know how I go you know. Now.. you tell me this GOD that NEVER forces anyone to do say believe anything.. you think HE will take anyone that is not ready not watching does not believe..anyway? And if you really did pray about this.. HE SAID ...NOTHING to you about it. He never will to anyone. WE can say its no secret yet.. gee why wont He just tell anyone? Cant GOD or JESUS just say.. no pre rapture mid rapture post rapture is not true.. HE WONT...ever.
And .. this man in this video says things and does things that ..I cant find in my bible... the red flag for me is the saints that show up..talk to him and others like him. That make sure they tell you.. how what these so called saints that died ..well they say things that point to God Christ.. things like that.. as if that is good enough. Go for it.. ask one.. tell me it is by the BLOOD OF JESUS we are washed and saved! Not one yet has said it. And YOU will never see one that does.. just HEAR someone tell you they did..go in line with the word.. is written in the word?
Jesus is coming to get us period. IF one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.. how long has Jesus really been gone? Two days.. HE IS COMING! Look up and be ready. Caught up is to snatch away out of just before danger. It will happen HIS way not mine not yours..not what any of us personally believe the word is really saying.. but HIS way. SO be ready NOW..expect HIM NOW! You will never miss Him
You can easily see how people can get confused by all this. The pure facts are that Jesus was a speaker of the truth right. He was the truth after all. do you know what he said. "this generation will not pass away etc" and these things will shortly come to pass.
The time of Jacobs trouble and the tribulation was in AD70 with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Romans. Revelations is mostly allegorical and it speaks of the times the early church would have to experience and the final destruction of the roman empire. We are in the indefinite times of the gentiles. The only thing left other than wrath upon the inhabitants of the Earth is the Judgement and the new heavens and earth. an early "rapture" is possible but there is no coming back. The ruling and reining on earth with Christ is going on right now. Read the New Testament. you know OUR TESTAMENT. You will find nothing like the current false beliefs of the church in that testament. The Apostle Paul said that he had delivered unto them/us the full counsel of God and that if anyone EVEN AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN should preach another gospel let them be ACCURSED!
The book of revelation is not a prophecy for proud end time elitists. It is the revelation of Jesus Christ to be a blessing for the church. Looks like old Nev might miss out on his so called transfiguration. What a load!
Jesus is salvation 23: This could be the problem... There seem to be two comings mentioned by Jesus and the Apostles. These are coded as usual to hide the truth from the blind.
The first coming was in 70 AD to put and end to Israel, Jerusalem and the temple, to leave it desolate. This was the coming of Jesus as 'son of man' which was promised for that generation.
The next coming which we refer to as the second coming is Jesus coming back as the bridegroom. The last chapters of revelation and many other scriptures refer to this.
This would probably historically place the church in the age of the millennium.
Now here is a mystery which the blind guides can't see.
The Church of Jesus Christ is heavenly and spiritual. It isn't political in any way shape or form. The normal human can't receive that. they want an earthly political rule. the last guy who suggested otherwise to Jesus got the "get the behind me Satan" treatment. Remember Jesus turned down the kingdoms of the world already. Satan owns them and he offered them to Jesus remember.
My little joke on this point is that Satan went of in a huff and gave them to the first Jew who was passing by. His name was Rothschild. LOL. Blessings in Christ.
JesusisSalavtion23 > You said " If 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is true and mid/post trib is true, then there should be no humans in Heaven until sometime later in the Book of Revelation. You see what I mean? It is like an if/then statement. If no one goes to heaven until He calls, then there should be no one in Heaven in Revelation 4, 5, 6, & 7. If we see humans there that early, that means the rapture had to take place. "
Do you know your bible?
Where do you think the dead in Christ are right now?
BEST ADVICE FOR CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS SEEKING THE TRUTH IN THE LAST DAYS (4 POINTS):
1. DON'T GET IT FROM RUclips OR THE INTERNET! (You will find some truth, and a whole lot of error and nonsense here---even dangerous and potentially deadly error. God wants us to have pure truth, and yes---we CAN get this from His written word with the help of His Spirit.)
2. CLEAN HANDS AND A PURE HEART (What so few of us want to hear but NEED to hear in these days: OBEY. If you're not living according to what you already know, God isn't going to give you any more. Clean up your life and purify your heart if necessary; apply the commandments and instructions of the Lord given us in the New Testament to your life---yes, we must actually APPLY them---and live according to the knowledge of God's will for you. THEN ask Him for understanding, humbly, and with the intention of following through with whatever He makes known. To do otherwise is to invite CONFUSION and demonic deception; remember God knows and considers our deeds and our hearts, not just the words that come out of our mouths.)
3. READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF! (Don't be lazy, and rely on someone else's interpretation or conviction, or what you've grown up hearing all your life: It may be right, or it may NOT be. Even if it is right, YOU need to know it for yourself; you can't ride on someone else's convictions. If they change their mind, where will you be? The truth is still the truth whether anyone knows it or believes it or lives by it, and error is still error even if the whole world embraces it. Our safety is standing upon God's truth, and we must know the truth in order to stand upon it and live by it---even if we are all alone with Jesus in doing so.)
4. DON'T STUDY EVIL TO DISCERN EVIL (Illuminati, free masonry, secret codes, secret symbols, strange gods; don't study these things! The way to know what is of God and what is not of Him is to get to know GOD very well. If you know God well, you will know what (and who) is of Him, and what (and who) is NOT. You do not need to become an expert in evil, but rather in God's truth. Don't study the deep things of Satan; delve into the deep things of GOD!)
You should look up.the shephards chapel..on RUclips..very good..you might learn some truth.
I hope to one day meet you.
I will invite you to the Global Temple to minister these wonderful truths. So be it.
If God speaks it you know it will happen.
Neville has gone with the Lord already. I really like him also. Brother Sadhu also walks with the Lord. Brother Sadhu was very closed with Neville Johnson when he was alive.
Hi from Cambodia
Not one for arguing here but the bible does teach a pretrib mid trip raptures and I believe some maybe towards the end . The pre trib rapture will not to be a escape but does happen before trib the Philadelphia church I could list several scriptures to prove this but the bible has it and I think people should read it for themselves.
Pre trib rapture not an escape but for those who have already went through trials pushed back darkness carried the glory of God and have walked holy this is the harvest of the wheat and tares or the 5 wise virgins those who stay behind who have not already fallen away go through the time of testing like one of the 7 churches Jesus speaks of most of them will be martyred and will have to go through intense persecution but they many of them will also receive the same reward as the pretrib church of Philadelphia believe it
Amen Amen Amen 🙏🙏🙏
I had revealed to me by revelation years ago ,what NEVILLE STATED ABOUT THE PLOWMAN WOULD OVERCOME THE REAPER, ETC., THAT ONE FEAST WOULD OVERLAP ANOTHER SO THAT IT WOULD BE HARD TO TELL WHAT SEASON YOU ARE EXPERIENCING FOR GOD WOULD BE QUICKENING .
IF YOU CANNOT KEEP UP WITH THE FOOT SOLDIERS HOW WILL YOU MANAGE WITH THE HORSEMEN?
OUR PASTOR GAVE A WORD, "THAT WE NEED TO GET RID OF OUR EXCESS BAGGAGE ."
THIS HAS MY GOAL , TO GIVE UP THE GOOD FOR THE BETTER AND TO GIVE UP THE BETTER FOR THE BEST.
ALSO , SEPARATE THE PRECIOUS FROM THE VILE... THESE PRINCIPLES HAVE GAVE ME OVER THE YEARS HAVE UNDERGIRD MY PURSUIT AFTER JESUS...
No more backsliding
At around 39:00 mins he speaks about the outer darkness and the people in it. And it's in concordance with what Rick Joyner says about it in one of his books
God help us...
The tribulation is for unbelievers, not believers. There will come a time when the Lord says, "Enough!" and He will gather His people and punish the rest. He is a God of patterns… Look how He constantly protected us from His wrath:
A) God removing Enoch from the earth that had become so wicked and before God’s wrath to come.
B) Noah and his family were isolated from the world and rose above the earth (by water) so he would not have to endure God’s wrath upon the earth. God himself shut the door to the ark, just like he shut the door in Matthew 25, Luke 13, Isaiah 26 and Revelation 3.
C) Angels forcibly removed Lot and his family from Sodom. He told them to leave the area, He did not promise to protect them where they were. Scriptures clearly say that His wrath could not come down until Lot and his family were removed. See the picture? God forcibly taking His beloved to save them from His wrath...
D) The Israelites were protected from God’s wrath against Egypt. Not only did God have the Israelites strategically placed away from the Egyptians, none of the plagues that struck Egypt proper affected them.
E) Jesus warned the Christians to leave Jerusalem when they see it surrounded by armies. He told them to leave the area, He did not promise to protect them where they were.
F) God warned the Jews that they need to flee when they see the Anti-Christ. He told them to leave the area, He did not promise to protect them where they were.
G) Jesus warned us of God’s coming wrath and how to escape it.
God did not make Noah live on the on the earth to be washed away with the flood. God did not make Lot go through the destruction of Sodom. The Flood and the fire upon Sodom was God's wrath. We are not destined for God's wrath.
It's the just wrath of God that is coming the trib happened in AD70 but you are right. The church is not destined for wrath. Our Lord says so.
Amen !!! Marc from France
GOD BLESS U UNCLE
Pre-Trib Verses:
1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. (Rescues you from wrath)
Revelation 3:10-11 - 10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. (Keep you from the testing)
Isaiah 26:19-21 - 19 “Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits. 20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while until indignation runs its course. 21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity (gathered before the wrath and put it rooms)
Luke 21:36 - 36 "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man." (strength to escape)
Luke 21:28 - When these things BEGIN to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” (When these things BEGIN to take place)
Revelation 5:9-10 - 9 And they sang a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open the seals thereof: for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And have made us unto our God a kingdom and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.” (His blood made those in Heaven Kings and Priests in Revelation 5)
Psalms 27:5 - For in the day of trouble he will keep me safe in his dwelling; he will hide me in the shelter of his tabernacle and set me high upon a rock. (He will hide us in HIS dwelling)
Zephaniah 2:3 - Seek the Lord, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the Lord's anger. (He will shelter us)
Psalm 57:1 - my God, have mercy on me, for in you I take refuge. I will take refuge in the shadow of your wings until the disaster has passed. (refuge under the Lord)
We are appointed to go thru the tribulation according to Matthew 24 and not go thru the wrath. The wrath of God comes after Jesus come back for the his elect.
When I read the word what I see is God is always spot on. So when Jesus walked this earth was there a Church were the any Christians? A man comes to Jesus talking about how he is doing the law. Now Jesus never once said.. pfftt.. just believe in me and follow me..nothing like that. The man came to Jesus with the law and the law is what Jesus came back with. This is GOD is with everything. So WHO came to Jesus about the end? No Christian no Church but JEWISH people. So to Jewish people He answered. One working one sleeping.. one is taken the other left.. ooh that MUST MEAN....no it does not.. that was man adding to the word. Like the narrow and wide road...I always hear about it as if its everlasting life..is that really what it says? Jesus talking to the 7 churches..and one that he would spit out of His mouth and to those He loves he rebukes and chastises. Yet people say ..those are going to hell. Again.. is that whats written?
Want more? How about the sheep and the goats. Ah what so many use to scare put fear in others. Now is this the great white throne judgment? Nope.. so many think we will be there..well we? Is that whats written? So the 12 the 120.. the 3000 you and me? Is thats really whats written? Are the DEAD raised small and great to stand before Christ there? So if We will be there.. then.. what about when we die that know Christ.. for us to die we go right to GoD. So all the 12 and everyone else that is WITH GOD..come back to stand before Christ? No.. what just happen before Christ comes and sets foot here? ANTICHRIST.. that just happen. It plainly reads.. He gathers the NATIONS..not you not me but them there at that time.
So Matt 24 is again what happens to the Jews those people during that time. Anything else about Church caught up..they would not understand. It was a mystery. That Christ gave to Paul. There is no where in the word where He says we must go through the tribulation that is coming on the whole earth. Did not Christ say since they keep His word He will keep them from that hour of temptation (trial) that comes on the whole world? In this life we have trials and tribulations.. but whats coming was not is not meant for HIS.
You are a bit long winded but the drift i get is that youy are right. the end times disaster that has been brought upon the church by JN Darby is just that... a disaster. we can reform and come back from these delusions including Neville Johnson and co. I am doing this trolling in Christ along with vids and I am getting those who want to 'come out of her'! Praise God. they are coming back to life in the Spirit of truth. Jesus said we are only sanctified in the truth. end time doctrines are returning to the dogs vomit. the Jews are finished as any people of God in the national or natural sense. All the judaized bible scholars have gotten Rom 11:25 misunderstood.
@TheTnrnr - You stated "We are appointed to go thru the tribulation according to Matthew 24 and not go thru the wrath. The wrath of God comes after Jesus come back for the his elect."
This is not correct. The church is not to go through the tribulation that is shown to us in the Book of Revelation, that is for unbelievers and for the Israelites. Matthew 24 is talking to Jews.
Now, think about this...
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 - 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.)
Notice it says:
"we who are alive and remain will be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM in the clouds to meet the Lord IN THE AIR"
This shows two groups (dead and living) who will be "together”. The living will be caught up” and dead "caught up with them". If both groups are caught UP, that means both rise up. If the dead are already in Heaven, they would not be rising up. Also, I see them both meeting the Lord in the clouds, not in Heaven. WE WILL MEET HIM IN THE AIR, not on the ground. Then it says "so we shall always be with the Lord". If the dead in Christ were already there, they would already have been with the Lord and they would also be in Heaven, not the clouds. The way the passage implies is, from that point on they will be with the Lord.
According to those passages, the dead are waiting just like we are. It is like an if/then statement. All believers will be called at the same time and no believers can go before they are called. If no one goes to heaven until He calls, then there should be no one in Heaven in Revelation chapters 4 & 5. If that is the case, who are the people in Heaven in Revelation chapters 4 & 5?
(Revelation 4:4 - Around the throne were twenty-four thrones; and upon the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white garments, and golden crowns on their heads.)
Why do these people who are wearing white, have crowns and thrones? Those things are promised to believers in Christ. No one else but the elders in Revelation chapter 4 have these promises.
Need more proof? Why do the elders from Rev. 4 praise the Lord for the blood that brought them salvation?
(Revelation 5:9-10 - 9 And they sang a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open the seals thereof: for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And have made us unto our God a kingdom and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.”)
Notice “redeemed us by your blood” and “made us unto our God a kingdom and priests”. These 24 elders cannot be angels or Levites because neither of them have salvation through the blood of Jesus. This proves they are Christians in Heaven before the judgments.
If we see humans there that early (before the judgments), that means the rapture had to take place. The elders are a picture of the complete priesthood in Heaven. The 24 thrones are a representation of all true believers (the bride).
Luke proves we go to meet the Lord before the wrath happens:
(Luke 21:28 - When these things BEGIN to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”)
(Luke 21:36 - "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.")
What does ALL mean?
What does ESCAPE mean?
What does ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE mean?
How do you escape and stand before the Lord before they are about to take place? That means His bride is gathered before His wrath. Israel must go through His wrath because they still do not believe. They will only see and believe by sight. We believe by faith and we are promised to be gathered before His wrath.
We are not destined for wrath:
(Romans 8:1 - Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.)
(1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.)
(Revelation 3:10-11 - 10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.)
Now, the question is, when does the wrath start? Scripture easily answers this for us:
(Revelation 6:16-17 - 16 “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the WRATH of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their WRATH has come, and who is able to stand?”)
(Revelation 11:18 - “And the nations were enraged, and Your WRATH CAME, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants, the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”)
Not only is God's wrath clearly mentioned twice in Rev. 6, the elders talk of God’s wrath that previously came before Rev. 11, which is pointing back to the Seals and the Trumpets. HE said we are not destined for wrath. HE said HE will rescue us. He did not say He would rescue us after the events, because why would a person need to be rescued after the events? If we are rescued from what is "about to come upon the entire earth" then that means we have to be raptured BEFORE Rev. 6. The people in Rev. 6 are declaring that they are already involved with His wrath. That mean the church would have to be raptured before the Seal Judgments because we are not destined for His wrath.
PlowsharesintoSwords People do that all the time. They also avoid context and history as well. they care not for any rules of exegesis and fakery has even been implemented in the past. The facts of the matter are that Jesus and the apostles were preterists with a parousia. That's it! All else is doctrines of demons... Zionist demons of their father the devil.
this is the same thing holy spirit told me there will be a great revival (rev 7:9) and tribulations before the rapture .
Matthew 24 is written in order from destruction of Jerusalem Temple to the Second coming and jesus told that you will be hated by all nations because of me (Lord jesus preparing us for the great tribulation)
You obviously didn't test the SPIRITS.. because the holy Spirit would have never told you about any rapture..when it's a false Doctrine..it's not Biblical and it's not written.
Your right..the word tribulation:means:in hebrew=mold clay...to press in the oil=(meshiac..& christ)..it also means:kidneys..which means to =the seat of emotions..reignes..harness...among other things...so the LORD..through tribulation..GODS trying to mold us..into the image of christ..by pressing in the oil..to harness our emotions..cuzz GODS c omming back on a white horse..that is harnessed...that HE CHRIST THE WORD..has control of the riegnes..to do his will..in us & through us.we walk by faith..not by sight...theres so much more to this word..
We are already created in their image.. remember? It's our inner self that needs to be changed..into put intellect of our soul ( our spiritual self)
5And no lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. 6Then I saw another angel flyingoverhead, with the eternal gospel to proclaim tothose who dwell on the earth- to every nationand tribe and tongue and people. Rev 14:6. maybe we don't preach the word throughout the world ..the angels do it
Someone better tell Paul because that’s what he preached to the Gentiles in 1 Corinthians 15, and 1 Thessalonians 4.
May I ask a question, why is Jesus coming in the clouds in 1 Thess. 4:13-18, also after chapter4 in Revelation the church is not mentioned mmmm I wonder why, we as believers are not appoint to wrath, we will experience persecution, but not tribulation, we are commanded by Jesus to watch there for, we are to look up, not look out! Jesus will come as a thief, here's a question about the ten virgins, the 5 wise told the 5 foolish to go and buy oil for there lamps, now how can those 5 foolish buy oil without the mark of the beast, because Jesus showed in that time frame, so there's some things to ponder, Jesus could show up while you sleep tonight, may the Lord bless you and keep you
We have an appointment with tribulations and persecutions, by humans... but not the wrath of God...
Icaiah DB me thinks you need to study the Word more and pray for understanding. Also consider the many many thousands of Christians in the Middle East who has gone through tribulation or wrath. Rape, torture, be headings, homes burned and the list goes on.
Study the plight of the Christians in centuries past. Also if we are not appointed to wrath as you say consider the wrath comes in Revelation 8 with the 7 trumpets. Just things to pray and think about.
Clouds is a metaphor for many people..all those who went ( died) before us ,will return with Christ.( A cloud of people ).
The antiChrist Satan comes first..those unwise virgins will be DECEIVED
@@yeshualionofjudah7107 you need to read n study more
In Rev 4 John begins to describe Heaven. In Rev 5 he describes the Church:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
In Rev 6 God's wrath begins!
In Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
John sees the raptured "Bride of Christ" in Rev 5 before the trib begins, where in Rev does it describe the Church AFTER the wrath of God is poured out?
The "timing" is shown clearly in Revelation!
+Jimbo jenkins ; I hope many will see the truth you have shown from the scriptures. Be blessed. And YES Jesus opens the seals and HIS wrath begins from seal number one.
Andrew Sheets is correct. Sorry Gary, I love your news service, but I just listened to Neville and he has it all wrong.
Sorry to say, but very few will believe and escape in the RAPTURE.
After the RAPTURE happens, they will realize they missed the boat! left behind!, these people (Christians too, people like Neville) will panic big time. A large revival will happen after the Rapture, you will be protected, you will be the "Tribulation Saints" but you will have to die for Christ, at a FEMA camp, or running from the beast, you will join us later, but you will miss out on the Wedding Feast, in which I believe will be a on going party / celebration of LIFE! You were invited today, but again you wish not to believe in such a fable/fairy tale. As for me, I know my GOD loves me and stay close to him daily and I will never let go of his garment, in which I AM attached to!
Take the golden ticket ride out of here, it is FREE, JESUS is handing them out right now, please take one! You must ask the LORD, can I go with you to your Marriage Feast of the Lamb of GOD.? Can I and my family and friends be counted worthy to escape these times? Luke 24:36
Why not come up hither with the real live saints of GOD who love JESUS permanently?
The Glory Express is almost here. and don't you want to go and leave this word of sorrow and troubles here below. Talk about suffering here below and lets keep loving JESUS ( an old gospel hymn)
How do I know these things? I studied it for 33 years now, ever since JESUS/HOLY SPIRIT/LORD FATHER gave me a vision (during the day!) of this RAPTURE event, that I was in. Learn all about here : king-of-the.net/rapture2,html
I don't obey man, I obey God! “Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!”
Psalms 133:1 (KJV)
100 percent acurate
Neville said it's going to be exciting but the look on his face.
God is a God of consistency and patterns… If He left us a clue as to the gathering of His people, surely we would be able to clearly see it in His recorded actions. Think about the pattern God has given us in Revelation and Genesis. Study the order of the main events of Genesis and then compare them to the events of Revelation.
Genesis example: Genesis starts with beautiful paradise and no sin. A deceiver shows up, God's people turn away from Him and judgments comes. The world goes on for a time and sin flourishes. God rescues His people from his coming wrath.
Revelation example: God rescues His people from His coming wrath. The world goes on in sin. A deceiver shows up, he turns people away from God. God brings judgment and it all ends in a beautiful paradise with no sin.
You will see that Genesis gave us the pattern and in Revelation, it reverses it back as if it is going back to the beginning.
Here is another pattern that matches the Book of Revelation and shows it in order:
Joshua means “the LORD (Jehova) is Salvation” (vs.) The name Joshua in the Greek is “Jesus”
Rahab the harlot (a gentile) is saved from destruction (vs.) Believers in Christ are saved from destruction
Priests carrying ark (seat of God) before the people (vs.) In Heaven, we stand before the throne
Priests stand in river & water stops (vs.) We, as priests are standing on a sea of glass
The Israelites must be circumcised before entering (vs.) Believers must be circumcised of the heart before entering
The Lord shows up to take over the battle (vs.) The Lord shows up to take the scroll (title deed)
7 days of marching (vs.) 7 years of the tribulation
7 trumpets, then the walls fall down (vs.) 7 trumpets which bring tribulation and judgment
Jericho (symbol of the world) is destroyed (vs.) Much of the Earth is destroyed
King Adoni-Zedek of Jerusalem “Lord of Righteousness” (vs.) The A/C call himself god from God’s temple in Jerusalem
The Israelites are facing 7 nations (were 10) (vs.) The beast will rule over 7 kings (were 10)
The Amorites were defeated at Beth Horon (vs.) World’s armies are defeated at Armageddon (Beth Horon)
The jubilee year starts when the conquest is over (vs.) The millennial reign starts when the battle is over
Are there other patterns that might reflect when we are to be gathered? Let's look at how He constantly protected us from His wrath:
A) The earth had become corrupted. God removed Enoch from the earth before God’s wrath to come. It looks as though He was brought up to Heaven.
B) Noah and his family were isolated from the world and rose above the earth (by water) so he would not have to endure God’s wrath upon the earth. God himself shut the door to the ark, just like he shut the door in Matthew 25, Luke 13 and Isaiah 26. God told him 120 years in advance to prepare. Everything was ready when God told him to enter the ark before the rains came. He entered his room before God's wrath. (7 days before the wrath - prophetically, gathered before the 7 years of tribulation) See the pattern?
C) Rahab (the gentile) accepted the Lord before the Israelites marched for 7 days around Jericho. She was promised to be rescued from death before the 7 days even started. She went to her room before the 7 days. She represents the gentile church who accepted the Lord almost 2000 years ago. The church was promised that they were "not destined for wrath". (7 days before the wrath - prophetically, gathered before the 7 years of tribulation) See the pattern?
D) Angels forcibly removed Lot and his family from Sodom. He told them to leave the area, He did not promise to protect them where they were. Scriptures clearly say that His wrath could not come down until Lot and his family were removed and they went to another city and stayed there. See the pattern? God forcibly taking His beloved to save them from His wrath...
E) The Israelites were protected from God’s wrath against Egypt. Not only did God have the Israelites strategically placed away from the Egyptians, none of the plagues that struck Egypt proper affected them. In fact, the Israelites were safely in their rooms (just like Noah, Matt 25, Isaiah 26 and Lot.) while the last plague struck Egypt.
F) Jesus warned the Christians to leave Jerusalem when they see it surrounded by armies. He told them to leave the area, He did not promise to protect them where they were.
G) God warned the Jews that they need to flee when they see the Anti-Christ. He told them to leave the area, He did not promise to protect them where they were.
H) Jesus warned us of God’s coming wrath and how to escape it.
I) Matthew 25:10-13 - 10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut. 11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’ 12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ 13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. (The virgins were taken to rooms BEFORE His wrath and other believers were left behind.)
J) Matthew 13:47-50 - 47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind; 48 and when it was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away. 49 “So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Notice it says the good fish (the righteous) are put in containers while that bad fish are set aside. Think about this... The Lord gathers his people in Rev.4 (end of the church age). During that time, the unrighteous are awaiting judgment on earth (they have been set aside). God is nice enough to give them time to repent with the judgments are happening. At the end (Rev. 19), then the Lord returns with His bride and He vanquishes the enemy.)
Time and time again, His pattern shows us that He has taken His people out of His oncoming wrath. Another pattern that is evident is "where" we are taken... Over and over again you see His people taken to rooms:
Isaiah 26:19-21 - 19 “Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits. 20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while until indignation runs its course. 21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity.
John 14:2-3 - 2 "In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 "If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.
Matthew 25: Shows the 5 virgins taken to the room.
Matthew 13: Shows the good being put into containers.
Pre-Wrath
The tribulation is for unbelievers, not believers. There will come a time when the Lord says, "Enough!" and when that happens, the church will be raptured up so the focus will all be on the Jewish nation. He will follow the same plan as He has always done and He will rescue His people from His wrath, then He will bring the punishment. God is a loving God who is waiting patiently to gather as many as He can. If He raptured the people in 70 A.D., most of the gentile church would have missed it. The world is going through trials and tribulations, but we are not going through God’s wrath. God did not make Noah live on the on the earth to be washed away with the flood. God did not make Lot go through the destruction of Sodom. The Flood and the fire upon Sodom was God's wrath. We are not destined for God's wrath.
(Romans 8:1 - Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.)
(1 Thessalonians 5:9 - For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,)
(1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.)
(Revelation 3:10-11 - 10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.)
(Luke 21:36 - 36 "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.")
(2 Thessalonians 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, and He will strengthen and protect you from the evil one.)
(2 Peter 2:5-9 - 5 if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight; 6 if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction, reducing them to ashes as an example of what is coming on the ungodly; 7 and if He rescued Lot, a righteous man distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard) - 9 if all this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.)
tribulation means persecution not wrath
God's wrath is shown to us in the 6 Seal Judgments of Rev. 6. Since we are not destined for wrath, then we need to be removed before the wrath. Since there are humans in Heaven on thrones, wearing crowns and wearing white garments in Rev. 4 (things promised to believers), then there is a pre-trib rapture.
Brother if it's God's wrath why are the saints crying how long to avenge our blood. I can't convince you it's the Holy Spirit job to do that I know my place brother blessings to you and your household
The ones saying that do not have the crowns or the thrones. They came out of the tribulation. If you have a group that calls itself the church, we both know there are people in it who are not saved. If God came and took His righteous, then who would be left? Those who thought they knew Him (Many will come to me on that day and say Lord, Lord...). People will get saved in the tribulation and unfortunately most of them will die. The group asking for vengeance are those who did not get raptured, but eventually got saved. There is no other explanation as to why where are different groups in Heaven.
God promised that His bride would get crowns, white garments and would sit on thrones. Then why do we not see that in Revelation? We see those with the explicit rewards before the Seals are opened and we see others without those rewards after the Seals are opened. It is simple to understand as it is a timeline. God blesses the true church/bride with the rewards. The ones who did not fully believe (those left behind) do not get the rewards because they did not believe by faith. You see these two groups in heaven from Rev. 4 all the way to Rev. 20. God is going to use His bride to rule and reign with Him over all the others.
If your theory is true, then we should see all believers in Heaven on thrones and wearing white/crowns in Rev. 19 when He gets the bride ready for the wedding supper of the lamb. Problem is, we don’t see that at all, we see the opposite.
@Plow -
" Rev.19:1-10 IS NOT PRIOR TO THE 2ND COMING."
Really?
The whole scene from Rev. 1-10 is in Heaven, then He assembles His army and returns to the earth. Try reading it for yourself. How can that not be prior to His 2nd coming?
Rev. 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. 13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. 15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. 16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” 17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.” 19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
Sorry but, this is wrong understanding of who the Lord God is.
He's not the Lord = Baal
Or god= Baal
Both are titles for Satan the Devil.
Father YHVH..
You are so right. He is wrong. Jesus said I go to prepare a place for you.
Read Galations 1:8 to save yourself. And read and understand the chapter on 1 Thessalonians before you embark on this false doctrine lest you be cursed.
We need the Holy Spirit not the spirit of Enoch.
Enoch was good to show how the Pharisees recognized Jesus as the Son of man which to them was calling himself God and they were typically INCENSED. They weren't expecting the Messiah to be God. They still don't lol
We need the holy Spirit and lots of praying in tongues to get the POWER down to destroy the works of the evil one. The steadfast prayer of a righteous man avails much! Bless you.
Our SPIRIT is the intellectual part of our soul..not enlarged..it's in Father's image..
@@russellk.bonney8534 tongues is not Biblical for praying in synagogue... tongues is language..it's the prayer language..not meant for anyone to use in the open..it's you n your spirit praying directly to our Father .and the only time anyone used it before was at Pentecost..n the next time will be when the Elect will be delivered up to death ( Antichrist) to witness to him..
@@michelemcguire8995 Thank you for the reply which is unscriptural oat least two counts. There is historical records for tongues in several places in the NT and there is the gift of tongues for a church service which is to be interpreted in principle and then there is the personal prayer speaking which has persisted in many quarters to this day. No you don't have to do it but you don't have to have a life which includes cars and cellphones either. That's your choice.
Two scriptures for the rapture
-- The definition of raptured means to be snatched away. There are two scriptures in the bible for the rapture.
1 Corinthians 15. 51-52
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1 Corinthians 15:51-52 King James Version (KJV)
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Thessalonians 4-13-18
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 King James Version (KJV)
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
As a matter a fact the first rapture was with Enoch in the bible who walk with God for 300 years and was taken away.
The definition of the rapture is to be taken away
The first rapture was Enoch Genesis 5-21-24
-- Hebrews 11 vs 5
Like 2 Kings 2;1 -11 Elijah was taken away rapture
Many Christians are confused about the second coming of Christ with the rapture. please stop listening to your pastor and pick up the bible and study it for yourself. The rapture is before the grand tribulation. The second coming is after the grand tribulation read your bible . The Christians who are left behind will face the mark of the beast the grand tribulation.
Wrong answer
To be snatched means that CHRIST will snatch the DECEIVED outta the enemies hands.
That's not it..you've gotten it all wrong..
Tribulation means troubles, who has ever escaped troubles?? How bad does it have to get?? No!! The fire is the fire of the working of the Holy Spirit!! The SONS is Man Child from the Woman(religion), those who have an awakening(quickening) in the Spirit, revelation of the Mysteries of The word & the MYSTERY of CHRIST (anointed). The tares are bound FIRST, Their works burnt up, The Wheat then stands tall & proven as the TRUE SEED!!
As in the days of NOAH..that's how bad! Ask yourself what was happening back then that angered Father so much that he sent the flood?
The word Apostasia means Departure, not falling away, thus showing us a Pre Trib Rapture in the Bible, see the vid on my channel
The real issue is not whether the rapture is pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath or post-trib.
Assuming pre-trib rapture is correct, the next question one must ask is, "Am I qualified?" To disbelieve that there is no pre-trib rapture automatically disqualify us for the pre-trib rapture. God's message is "Be Rapture Ready" Be in the company of the 5 wise virgins. kiiiYah!!!
This prophecy was given in 2014. COVID 19 pandemic was in 2020. Now is 2023 and the globalists are planning something really big happening by 2030. 😢
40:15 the outer darkness concept
Why not you need to be purified it's not easy to go to heaven God is holy and you have to be holy just purifying with blood not enough you have to be in holy of holy place in his presence always in connection with God you can't do all wrong and go to heaven most think so no you have to face suffering for Jesus to go to heaven
Matthew 16;18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Revelation 13; 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. On the basis of a post trib or mid trib rapture, which one of the above scriptures is wrong? Revelation 2 ; 18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and the m that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And please explain what this scripture would be doing in the bible if the whole church were to here for any of the 7 years of Jacob's trouble? The 1st 69 weeks were for Hebrews and Jerusalem , however does the church get fitted into the 70th week? Revelation 2 22 . Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, EXCEPT they repent of their deeds. Jesus said HE will cast those who refuse to repent into Great Tribulation, EXCEPT they repent. Jesus knew an event (the departure) was coming before "The Great Tribulation" or HE would not not have use the conjunction word EXCEPT. And Daniel 7-21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; the beast can not prevail against the church . PRE; 7 years of Jacob's trouble; rapture;
WAKE UP SUCKER....LOL
Wow.
Amen
Satan will not win but Jesus Christ
Bring in the sheep
to them he gave to become sons of god.
I agree with him:
Read: Revelation chapters 2-3: the Description of the Seven Minor Churches of Asia Minor, in Western Turkey today.
Chapters 4-5 The Description of Heaven.
Chapters 6-18 The Descriptions.
Tribulations.
Revelation chapter 19:1-10 The Description of the Return of Christ for His Bride.
Revelation chapter 19: 11-20: 1-15
Descriptions of the Return of christ with His Bride for:
a-The Battle of Armageddon where the Satanic Trinity will be defeated.
b-The Antichrist, the Beast and the False Prophert will be thrown into the Lake of Fire Forevermore.
C-Satan, all evil angels and the demons will be cast temporarily into Hell, called also Abyss for one thousand years where they will be suffered temporarily along side of all the Unbelievers.
d. Jesus Christ along side of His Bride will rule the World in Jerusalem for One Thousand years.
e. Satan will be released from Hell for a short time at the end of the 1000 years to gather together all the living Unbelievers at that period of time to raise against Christ and His Kingdom. The Fire from heaven will fall upon all of them, killing them all.
Satan will be taken and cast unto the Lake of Fire, joining his friends, the Antichrist and the False Prophert there.
f. The Great Judgment Day: Jesus Christ and His Bride will judge:
1. All evil angels and the demons to send them unto the Lake of Fire Forevermore.
2. All unbelievers will come out from different part compartments of hell to appear before the Great White Throne of Jesus Christ and His Bride to be judged.
3. Two Books will be opened:
The Book of Eternal Life And the Book of Deeds which records the actions of everyone.
Each person has a book which records the actions or deeds of his or her own deeds.
The Book of Eternal Life records only the Names of all the Believers.
All those unbelievers whose names are not recorded in the book of Life will be cast unto the Lake of Fire where there they will be spent their eternity with Satan, The Antichrist, the False Prophet, evil angels and the demons to be suffered eternally where there is no way out Forevermore.
The church is NO LONGER in Revelation after Chapter 4. We are not appointed to His Wrath and His Punishment. Israel is Israel. Jesus will step down on the Mount of Olives and rule 1000 years. He is going to deal with the Jews and the Earth Dwellers in Revelation.
Kerri Teed Noah went into the arc before the flood, Lot went to Zoar before the fire rain down. Of course we will be caught-up before that Great Tribulation. Post-trib stand is anti-Christ... declaring Christ's suffering and death is not enough for them to get saved.
The gospel of the kingdom is to the Jew read the 4 gospel s however I do believe the church is going through. The tribulations
He's the closet I've heard to speaking the truth .he's only lacking a few things but he's isn't far from the kingdom for sure !
You must know all the truth then?
What about the greater works we have to do the greater works so stop being selfish and help the lost your faith is not just for you
The greater works are casting out demons n healing with the power of the Holy Spirit..we don't heal Father's SPIRIT heals through us.
The title is "the time of Jacob's trouble". NOWHERE in the KJV is the term "tribulation" ever given as a TITLE for this coming time period. Also, the seven trumpets you keep bringing up are all blown by ANGELS. The two references to the word "trump" (1 Cor. 15 & 1 Thess. 4) say that it is the trump of GOD, NOT an angel. Now compare this to Revelation 4:1 where John hears a "voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me..."
the fact that in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 "... the LORD HIMSELF shall descend from heaven", but in Matthew 24:31 "... He shall SEND HIS ANGELS with a great sound of a trumpet"; CLEARLY 2 SEPARATE EVENTS. At the Rapture, Jesus comes for His Bride, at the second coming, He sends His angels. The more I study this topic, the clearer it becomes for me and the post trib believer seems to me more negligent of rightly dividing Scripture. If you don't hold to a pre trib rapture, the scripture comes apart like a garment and unravels in both OT and NT.
shut up ...you aint going nowhere ....lol
Paul Ryan a a+â
The rapture has to take place before the tribulation, because the rapture is imminent, if it comes after the tribulation then we would know times. So biblically the rapture is before the tribulation, which lines up with Gods Word, which says we are not appointed to Gods Wrath! END OF DISCUSSION!
terry walker The Pretribulation Rapture is REAL!
Luke 21:36
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
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terry walker - prepare for tribulation and persecution
His conclusions are based on wrong division of Scripture which derives from NOT drawing an exact distinction between the nation of Israel (earth) and the church Body of Christ (heaven).
The Body of Christ will not go through Israel’s Tribulation and Day of the Lord. To begin with, Israel and the Body of Christ are not the same. Neither are God’s plans for them. God’s plan for Israel concerns Christ returning to earth in a spectacular event called the Revelation - to inaugurate His Kingdom in Jerusalem (Matt. 24-25; Rev. 19-20. This plan was “spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began” (Acts 3:21; see Luke 1:70). God’s plan for the Body of Christ is completely different. It concerns our heavenly inheritance, not an earthly kingdom. Jesus revealed this program to Paul only as a mystery “kept secret since the world began” (Rom. 16:25; see Eph. 3:3-9). In that it began as a mystery, it will likewise disappear in a mystery called the Rapture; an any moment event whereby Jesus returns for us in the air (1 Thess. 4:16-17), snatches us from earth, and takes us back to Heaven with Him (John 14:2-3) - when “the fulness of the Gentiles be come in” (Rom. 11:25). Then comes the time of Jacob’s trouble - aka Tribulation. The Tribulation - as it is most commonly known (Moses: Deut. 4:30; Jesus: Matt. 24:21, 29; John: Rev. 7:14) - is part of God’s earthly program for Israel. It is also called “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jer. 30:7; Dan. 12:1; Zeph. 1:15), Daniel’s Seventieth Week (Dan. 9:26-27), and “the hour of temptation” (Rev. 3:10. It has no bearing on the Body of Christ, which will be gone before it be-gins. From the beginning it was prophesied to Israel (Deut. 4:30), and thus is primarily for Israel (Jer. 30-31; Dan. 9:24-27; 12:1, Zeph. 1:15; Matt. 24:21, 29). Its purpose is to punish sin and sinners (Jer. 30-31; Zeph. 1; Joel; Rev. 6-19), and prepare earth and Israel for the Revelation of the Messiah and the Jew-ish (Millennial) Kingdom promised to Abraham on through David in perpetuity through Covenant (Judges 2:1; 2 Sam. 7:8-16), and sealed with an oath (Psa. 89:3-4, 20-37; see Luke 1:31-33). While the prophets revealed the Tribulation as a horrific but integral component in the Day of the Lord (Isa. 2:12, etc ), it was Daniel’s prophecy where its duration was revealed as the final week of seven years in his sev-enty week prophecy for Israel (Dan. 9:24-27; see Rev. 11:2-3; 12:14). To wit, while we can easily find Is-rael and the anti-Semitic Gentile nations on earth during “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jer. 30:7; Dan. 12:1; Zeph. 1:15), the heavenly Body of Christ - which has been promised deliverance from this divine punishment (1 Thess. 1:10; 5:9; 2 Thess. 2:5-7; Rev. 3:10; see also Rev. 4:1) - is conspicuously absent (Rev. 6-19). There isn’t a prophecy or a single verse anywhere in the Bible conclusively identifying the Body of Christ on earth during Israel’s Tribulation without pulling from context and redefining the words “saints” and “elect” - which in Daniel, the Olivet Discourse, and Revelation specifically refer to Israel. In light of these factors and others we are convinced that the Body of Christ will not go through Israel’s Tribulation!
There isn’t a verse anywhere in the Bible conclusively identifying the Body of Christ on earth during Israel’s Tribulation without pulling from context and redefining the words “saints” and “elect” and “disciples”- which in Daniel, the Olivet Discourse, and Revelation are specifically linked to Israel.
JESUS SAID ...THIS .. JESUS SAID THAT.. JESUS SAID ALL TREE CLIMBERS MUST WEARE A HELMUT.. JESUS WAS SPEAKING TO TREE CLIMBERS,.. SO WHY ARE YOU WEARING A HELMUT IF YOUR NOT A TREE CLIMBER?
PlowsharesintoSwords you said = and know less about the Bible than your obvious ignorance of tree climbers...DUMBASS..
Is your comment a reflection of Gods love? cause if it is I dont want it.
PlowsharesintoSwords and you comment reflects the Lords words? I dont want your jesus
Grace And Peace, Respectfully disagree with "church = a "woman!"
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*LORD JESUS, please Help us Today, with understanding Your doctrine.*
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*"And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven*
*vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither,*
*I will shew thee The BRIDE, The LAMB's Wife. And he carried me away in*
*the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me That Great City,*
*The HOLY Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God!"*
*(Revelation 21 : 9-10!)*
*Let us be glad and rejoice, and give Honour To HIM: for The Marriage Of*
*The LAMB Has Come, And HIS WIFE Hath Made herself ready. And to HER*
*was granted that SHE Should Be Arrayed in fine linen, clean and white:*
*for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints! (Revelation 19 : 7-8!)*
*Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15!) From:*
*The Body Of CHRIST!:*
*"For HE [ CHRIST! ] is our Peace, Who Hath Made both One, and Hath Broken*
*Down the middle wall of partition between us: Having Abolished in HIS Flesh*
*the enmity, Even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to*
*Make In HIMSELF of twain ONE NEW man, So Making Peace!" (Ephesians 2 : 14-15!)*
( "Church = a man!" )
bro Chris
Next year its begin...
Anyone who is sent into outer darkness is not going to heaven in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth these people have a form of godliness and they are serving themselves not the Lord Jesus Christ do not be deceived in these last days do not listen to false teaching!
Christians do not remain during the tribulation to suffer God's wrath.
Luke 21 says that if we are persecuted it is for a testimony. We ARE called to be witnesses! Christians have been martyred for their faith throughout history. Was God's wrath being poured out on the apostles who were martyred? The more I study the scriptures, the more I am convinced that we need to be preparing to stand for Christ no matter the cost.
salita parker NO but they will be suffering the devil in the body of the antichrist wrath. u actually sound like u are really contradicting yourself. the devil be cast to earth and enter the body of the antichrist and he will make war on the woman aka the bride of christ for the last reamiang 3 and a half yrs of great tribulation. rev 12
+joseph Kevnu Where do you think that I am contradicting myself? Maybe I didn't explain myself as clearly as I should have, so I will try again. I agree that the Bible says that Christians are not appointed to suffer the wrath of God, but being persecuted by the antichrist is NOT the wrath of God. Many Christians believe that
1Thessalonians 5:9 teaches that the church will not be here to suffer under the reign of the antichrist. My point is that there is no scripture that says that we are exempt from persecution and that Luke 21 says that if we are, persecuted for our belief in Christ, our continued faith under duress can become a testimony to unbelievers. Even if we die rather than renounce Jesus, that it is not God's wrath-- it is the wrath of the persecutor (or ultimately the wrath of Satan). .
Salita is correct. GOD has to come deal with the passing of the Planet X, Nibiru and Nemesis, (2016? 2017?) that will pull on Earth's poles and cause great distruction. He snatches us up, who have FULL OIL LAMPS, those who are friends of Jesus and speak to him daily. After the pole shift, the ones who live though it will have to go though the GREAT TRIBULATION times on Earth for 7 years. Meanwhile we are in Heaven at the Marriage Feast of the Lamb of GOD! Getting ready to come back with JESUS and the Archangels to help finish off Armagedon.
stop talking nomnesense. no plantet or star will hit or come near the earh. when the scripture uses star it is referr8ing to angels and the like
The bride is NOT sanctified. He is NOT coming back for some ratchety ghetto mess. No matter when He comes back, always have your lamps filled with oil.
So God took Enoch, Noah and his family, Abraham and Lot, out of the time of judgment (God's wrath) and HE will make us all die in the Tribulation?? Daniel from the lion's den, 3 Henrews from the fiery furnace , etc. Enoch was translated so we will not all be destroyed/beheaded, etc I don't believe.
Funny, your basis for pre trib rapture is from Paul who himself was martyred for his faith. There's a reason God raised Enoch and Elijah out of earth and not dead. Because they're given particular purposes which is not for all believers. You do not understand how God works. Jesus suffered and died for us, well, doesn't that make all his followers expect the same fate for following Him?
Aglaya Majorem
; So now a Christian has to be crucified to prove he is a Christian. I suggest you go to the local Muslim mosque because they welcome people with thinking like yours.
There's no RAPTURE at all..it's not Biblical and it's not written either.its a false doctrine.
CHRIST new Kingdom will be here, so there's no flying away anywhere..the only way anyone will get to heaven,is if they die before he returns.otherwise we will all be here during the great tribulation..
CHRIST RETURNS AFTER THE TRIBULATION.
The tribulations everybody will be here y it's for 1260 days or 3.5years or 42 months you will be here or you have died it will end the way it started read Daniel chapter 3:1-2,4-6 now who every tells you the tribulations is 7 years the bible said 7 times it's only 3.5 years and this is food for thought after the tribulations it's Jesus turn now remember the tribulations that's the beast and the false prophet Jesus return to end it and take over this world that's when you have the battle of Armageddon it's the Lord battle see they have parted his land and who have did it Ishmael and Esau or the Arab and the people calling themselves Jews it's a fact Psalm 83 and the book of obadiah You have false preacher saying psalm 83 is a war that's a lie how could Edom kick out Edom makes sense see one thing the John Hagee and Perry never read too the people they are preaching to is that people calling themselves Jews and the Arab were it together read it in obadiah verse 7 and last the biggest lie is the Israelites went back in 1948 ok where is Jesus Matthew Luke Noah Jacob John habakkuk Amos Mose Daniel Ezekiel Jeremiah David see if the Jews are back then showing me Jesus
It’s a 7 year covenant that is signed with anti christ in Daniels 70 th week. They call the whole 7 years the tribulation but actually the great tribulation is the last 3.5 years. The rapture happens after the abomination of desolation in the middle of the week. Read Mathew 24.
the 7 years has been shortened for the Elect of Father's who were elected at the beginning when he first CREATED everything..they stood against Satan then and they will stand against him this time around too!!
The Pretribulation Rapture is REAL.
Luke 21:36
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
Beware precious people+
No place in the bible will you find we leave earth AFTER Jesus returns & He returns AFTER the Tribulation. FOOLISH to think you will fly away on Magic Carpets. Make ready for the Tribulation people. For the sake of your children, MAKE READY.
Grace And Peace, Pastor. (1) Of course, this is *True!:*
"No place in the bible will you find we leave earth AFTER Jesus returns!"
we do NOT "believe" in "POST"-trib Either.
*Pre-TOJT Departure Is BEFORE JESUS "Returns!"* Amen?
{ *Found In The BIBLE!* in the Next 5 Postings!...)
(2) "make ready for the Tribulation"? *The Body Of CHRIST Has*
*Already Been Going Through "tribulation" for Nearly 2000 Years!*
*(Romans 5 : 3, 8 : 35, 12 : 12; 2 Corinthians 1 : 4; 1 Thessalonians 3 : 4!)*
*(1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15!)*
*(3) Should we not "Prepare" for ""believers"" JUDGMENT **_In Heaven!_* ?,
instead of "preparing for _UNbelievers Judgment_ of
Great Tribulation/Wrath" _on the earth!_ ?
{ Surely, Pastor, YOU are NOT an UNbeliever, Are you??? }
God Bless!
bro Chris
continued in *GRACE Evacuation Away From* _the earth,_ NOT -"magic carpet ride"-
*GRACE And Peace From God, The Father, And, From The LORD JESUS CHRIST!*
*Romans - Philemon Teaches The Revelation Of The MYSTERY, The Age Of GRACE!,*
*Which Is CLOSED By The GRACE Departure Of The Body Of CHRIST!!* Amen?:
Note: without *God's Holy Spirit,* it will Be IMPOSSIBLE to "understand"
*God's GRACE Departure Doctrine (1 Corinthians 2 : 13-14!),* so,
*The Following!* Must Occur FIRST! Amen?:
*God's GREATEST News Ever = HIS Gospel Of The Amazing GRACE Of God!*
For ALL who have NOT YET *Been WASHED IN THE BLOOD!*
Do you Desire ETERNAL Condemnation? If so, then just please
"remain" as you are - In "UNbelief": 😢 ↓ (Luke 18 : 11-12!)
for ALL others who wish to be "humble" ♫😇↑ (Luke 18 : 13-14!):
*FAITH Cometh By hearing, And hearing By The Word Of God!:* Amen?:
*(ALL Scriptures From God's Preserved WORD = KJV! ##)*
*The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God! = God's ETERNAL Salvation! By:*
100% faith (heart belief, trust!) in *The LORD JESUS CHRIST,*
*In HIS Blood, And In HIS Resurrection! = God's ETERNAL Life!!*
*(Romans 10 : 17; 1 Corinthians 15 : 1-4 And Ephesians 2 : 5-10!)*
*Good Works Will Not Save you, But Will Get you Rewards At:*
*The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST! (1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15!)*
***Note1: Verse 15! Teaches ETERNAL SALVATION "Despite Loss!"***
***Note2: IF you just BELIEVED This AND your Are The LAST "member"*
*Of The Body Of CHRIST, we Are Going To Be Raptured Outta Here,*
*so, learn This Right NOW, And you Will Receive A crown At Judgment!:***
*"Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness,*
*Which The LORD, The Righteous Judge, Shall Give me At That Day:*
*And not to me only, but unto All them also that love HIS Appearing!"*
*(2 Timothy 4 : 8!)* Amen?
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IF you are in any "religion" with ONE "false doctrine," it is UNclean!,
Please *Obey God, WHO Commands:*
*"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, Saith*
*The LORD, And touch not the unclean thing; and I Will Receive you,*
*And Will Be A Father Unto you, and ye Shall Be MY sons and daughters,*
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Therefore:
*God's ETERNAL Salvation Is THE Best Motivation For "true"*
*believers to serve God "out of love," being SAVED For ETERNITY!*
rather than "serving out of FEAR" of "losing Probationary" salvation!:
*"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power,*
*And of love, and of a sound mind!" (1 Timothy 1 : 7!)*
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continued in *God's Age Of GRACE - Closing Departure!...*
Part I Introduction to:
*Distinctions Between Pre-TOJT “Mystery” Coming | Rightly*
*Divided From |* The Second “Prophesied” Coming:
*LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee For Thy Divine Understanding In This*
*Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.* Amen.
(1 Thessalonians 4 : 18!)
Time Of JACOB’s Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in:
God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom (“ages” past/future)
(Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)
God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose _FROM_ “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25 : 34)
God's Purpose prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1 : 68-70; Acts 3 : 21!)
*Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15!) From:*
*Pre-TOJT Departure/Resurrection, Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:*
*God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!*
*{Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)*
*God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose **_BEFORE_** “the foundation of the world”*
*(Ephesians 1 : 4; 2 Timothy 1 : 9!)*
*God's Purpose Kept **_Secret_** “since the world began”*
*(Romans 16 : 25; Ephesians 1 : 4-11, 3 : 5-9!)*
continued in *Part II.. God Bless!*
Part II Distinctions Between SECOND Coming And
*Pre-TOJT Departure/Resurrection:*
The SECOND Coming, According to “Prophecy:”
(1) CHRIST, In His “Prophesied” Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And
LORD Of lords, Is Coming From Heaven! (Revelation 19 : 16, 11)
(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On HIS Head,
And A Sword In HIS Mouth! (Revelation 19 : 12-15)
(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven),
HIS armies on white horses! (Revelation 19 : 12-15)
*Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15!) From:*
*The Secret Coming, According to The “Mystery!”:*
*(1) CHRIST, As Head Of HIS Body, The Church, Will Descend From Heaven!*
*(Ephesians 1 : 19-23; Colossians 1 : 18; 1 Thessalonians 4 : 16!)*
*(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel, And*
*With The Trump of God! (1 Thessalonians 4 : 16!)*
*3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With HIM (those who Were With HIM In*
*Heaven), “part” Of HIS Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”*
*(2 Corinthians 5 : 8; Philippians 1 : 21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4 : 13!)*
continued in *Part III.. God Bless!*
There most certainly is a rapture. Try studying the Bible and understanding Hebrew culture and language before preaching.
Wrong eschatology! Replacement theology. Don't be deceived. He does not talk about the Old Testament and the Jews!
overtcovert No Not True You do not know this man! This must be the only message you have listened to.....he Love the Jews and If you only knew what he was doing for the Jewish people... you do not know what your talking about!!! ...Most of his teaching is the old Testament...
Henrietta, Henrietta Adame agree. No one stands for Israel and the Jewish people more than Neville. He Knows replacement theology is a doctrine of satan.
I am also confused about the Rapture. Its was taught that Zachariah 14:5 and a verse in Rev. suggest that Jesus will return with the saints.
Therefore the Rapture had happened before the Tribulation. But the Rapture is only for the Sanctified and those who had made themselves ready!
Oh no sir , the word of God say’s other wise , its The Rapture which is the biblical event that triggers the 7 yr. Time Clock ; Jesus meets the saints in the air. And The 7 yr. tribulation ends with Christ return to the earth to reign & this biblical event triggers the 1000 yr. REIGN TIME CLOCK .
Wrong. Christ return (2nd coming) is the rupture. Before that, all who are alive will be tested during the great tribulation. No escape, be ready to reject the mark of the beast and endure till the end. Look towards the reward of your final race sir.
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The event that triggered the beginning of the Church age & is the age that we live in now was Our LORD & SAVIOUR JESUS Christ resurrection on the 3rd day . Before then the Old Testament saints after death their soul went to a place in the earth that was a place of comfort & rest & peace . Sheol , but also called Paradise , the thief on the cross went to paradise with Jesus as he took the OLD TESTAMENT SAINTS out from there to heaven. A dispensational time ended & another one started , & throughout the Bible from Genesis to the church age , THIS HAS HAPPENED , but the triggered event that takes us outta here is the rapture or great snatching away of the saints , & so shall we forever be with him, The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ (not Mormons) , is the CHURCH AGED saints ppl who have been saved from the resurrection to the rapture do not go through no part of the 7yr tribulation, but we return back to the earth at the end of 7 yrs. satan is Defeated & locked away for a 1000yrs. We come back in white robe’s precisely following our Lamb of God , SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST , who is known as the
“WORD OF GOD” as well.
The Bible teaches this ,
& the way , the truth & the Life which is JESUS CHRIST , THIS is not blasphemy to believe this .
But to say I have the wrong SAVIOUR , JESUS CHRIST WHO CAME IN THE FLESH, BUT YET & still is GOD .
No sir or No mam, I have the right Christ ,& the book of Danial has nothing to do with the rapture , the apostle Paul is the one who said “behold I show you a Mystery” . Danial new nothing of this . We shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye & shall meet the LORD IN THE AIR & SO SHALL WE FOREVER BE WITH HIM. Amen!
satan locked away for a 1000 ushers the time period when JESUS CHRIST rules this earth with a iron rod .
Not gonna tell you , you have a different Christ at least yet.
But if you are in to the word of faith movement, >then< I’d say you have the wrong Gospel , & a false Christ .
But for now I’m saying you are not understanding the scriptures.
We “the church (acts 2:36-42)are tested , we are tested from the time we are saved until we pass away.
Or the rapture event takes us outa here.
I came to this deeper understanding today through Chuck Missler:
Acts 1:9-11
After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a CLOUD hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the *SAME* way you have seen him go into heaven.”
it says: we will see JESUS come back the SAME WAY ---> ENVELOPED in a CLOUD.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
That return/coming of JESUS is very different to His Coming at the end of the Great Tribulation.
Revelation 19:11
I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war.
To me one is the Rapture and the other the 2nd coming. Those verses definitely speak of TWO DIFFERENT events.
No rapture before the Great Tribulation? Did Noah swim on the waters? Did Lot hide from falling fires? Jesus' said, "as it was in the days of Noah... as it was in the days of Lot... so shall be in the of the Son of Man"... well, only 1 family of Noah saved, Lot's wife lost, so, only few can make it to the rapture.
Boy Bautista But Lot was not raptured. He was led away, not into the heavens, but away from punishment. And the same goes for Noah. They were led by God into safety.
The flood in Noah and fire in Lot were just foreshadows of greater event to come, the Marriage of the Lamb. The bride will march up to the cloud where the groom waiting.
Boy Bautista
I believe the events to be literal.
Good job!
Boy Bautista The Pretribulation Rapture is REAL!
Luke 21:36
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
The body of christ has got to get back to torah and get out of babylon sunday sun worship. Lawlessnes means without torah. we have got to get back to the feast days instead of pagan holidays such as christmas/birth of the sun and easter/ishtar goddess of fertility.the body of christ needs to be looking for Eligah since he comes before Masiah