We inherited a problem. Ep. 50
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- Опубликовано: 6 янв 2025
- Telling the story of a problem we've had since we bought this boat
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The disadvantage to your bus is that if you wish to remove your engine you have to disconnect each wire individually and keep track of which wire it was connected to. You can prevent corrosion for your terminals by brushing on liquid tape over the wire opening of the terminals and where the terminal abuts the wire insulation. This will seal the salt air out. To test wires you can set a multimeter to a DC voltage above 12v. Plug the black lead into the hole called common and hook it to the negative of the battery (you may need an extension cord or wire) or attach it to a nearby wiring block that is attached to the negative. Then you can probe other wires and connection points to see if 12v is reaching that device or location by just touching them with the red lead. The red lead is plugged into the V or Volts hole of the meter. You could measure the voltage at the starter motor and at its solenoid. Less than 12 suggests a bad wire. You can check for 12v on the output screw of the starter switch. You pull a new wire by attaching the new to the old and pulling it through. NOTE, YOU CAN BYPASS THE SWITCH BY HOTWIRING THE SOLENOID BY MOMENTARILY ATTACHING A WIRE FROM THE STARTER'S BATTERY CABLE TO THE SOLENOID. SPARKS ARE NORMAL, BE A MAN. HA.
Thanks.. I have a bypass switch that I got just in case!
Did you leave a reply to the previous owner that you fixed his problem on that site you saw his comment? 😎
excellent Rolando - maybe, Maybe, MAYBE if the previous owner knows he was found out his conscience will kick in
and he'll offer an apology. About all we have is our integrity, it's a shame so many treat it so lightly.
Greetings and I’m new to the channel. You did the right thing by changing out the plug and installing a terminal block. Great fix! Now let’s talk about your installation technique. In the future and when you get some time on your hands, fix the terminal blocks. They are meant to be mounted, not free floating. In the future maybe you can glass in some marine grade plywood to the hull and then mount your terminal block to the newly glassed in wood. If possible replace any wiring in whole. If you can’t then butt splice the wire together and extend it to the terminal board.
Another tip. When I was in the USN, we used to crimp eyes onto the ends of any wires and use 8/32 or 8/24 brass machine screws, washers and nuts to fasten the eyes together. This way you avoid cutting and shortening any wire when you have to replace any components.
Good job troubleshooting..Past owner real piece of work. Why lie when he already sold the boat? Makes no sense! Then again not much does in the world we live in. The important thing is you saved a potential boat fire.
Brilliant solution that would not have been obvious to me and I won’t ever forget.
It isn’t obvious in your video and I recommend that the buss bar be anchored or attached to something even if just using something like tie wraps.
You are a kind man. When I discovered the prior owner's reference to the starting problem after he told you no not a problem. I would have made another phone call to him. No angry at the problem (it is a boat after all), but angry at being lied to. I would have questioned his manhood. Glad you found the problem and got that fire hazard connector off your boat.
Be happy, be safe.
I can appreciate that, but I'm one of those people who think about what I have to gain by doing something like that and it seems to be nothing. If it was a real expensive repair or something major I would, but on the positive side, it gave us this story to tell! Thanks for watching and for the comment!
@@AdventuresInParadise i would comment bellow his post saying that he lied to me
call him and yell at him wouldn solve anything nor give your money back, but exposing him as a liar on internet might cause him some embarressment or prevent future buyers from falling into him
I have a 1980 o'day 28. just got it. I'm watching everything you do!!
Thanks! Where do you sail?
You know... I really don't think it matters how nice or well-maintained the boat is, how much inspecting you do, or even how honest the seller is... you are always going to find the ghosts in the boat that either no one ever figured out or bothered to address. I don't think it's a negative to show. It would be unrealistic and probably more harmful than helpful to allow anyone to think you bought a perfect used boat that needed no work at all. I don't think that exists. The seller is selling it for a reason - even if they loved the boat, they're not dumping more money into a boat they're selling, so at some point they just stopped. The seller should have been honest if for no other reason than to save you the headache of finding out the hard way, but you got it fixed now. :)
Great idea. I built boats for many years and always distrusted the factory supplied plugs on their wiring harnesses. One of the first things I did when installing the engine was cut off the plugs and connect the wires to a terminal strip just as you have done. Of course the terminal strip should preferably be mounted in an accessible yet out of the way location.
Seems like every single sailing channel I've seen there are just issues you gotta deal with owning a boat and corrosion on electrical connections and components is a big one. Thanks for sharing your experiences. I appreciate you
Yep, for those of us who can't buy newer sailboats it's just a fact! Thanks!
So it looks like an aftermarket alternator. That could be a spacer to allow for a slightly different configuration, possibly a higher amperage alternator. Good tip an something to look for. Good video.
Waw luckily the wires have the same color in and outgoing...!!!
Thanks for sharing my friends. Glad everything worked out. Happy sailings. ✌🏻
Glad to see ya found the problem Running like a champ good job captain
mount the terminal strip on the wall? Glad you got it fixed.
Agreed! Some of the wires were not long enough and they were all so thick that it was just sort of stuck there it hardly moves... so I'll have to replace some wires off the starter I think. But yea, I didn't like that part either so I still have a couple of wires to replace :-(
The 3-inch elongated brace which is flopping around beneath the alternator is most likely used for a different alternator (an older style). That is, it appears the alternator has been replaced with a newer style.
Thank makes sense, thanks.
Great job. I like what you did a lot. It'll be so much easier to diagnose a problem.
I’m just kinda amazed that the previous owner wasn’t able to figure out that the plug was the problem.
Because it aint the problem
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@@AdventuresInParadise Oh did it fix your starting problem? I thought you were still having the issue.
VERY good and helpful post.
She looks gorgeous!
Great job man. Nothing like SOLVING a persistent problem like that. Its so satisfying every single time you fire up that engine. And it really swings the pendulum in the right direction as far as confidence and enjoyment in your boat.
Couldn't agree more!
I enjoy your videos Jason and Susan! I purchased a C&C 24 8/2020. I knew nothing about sailing or sailboats before purchasing this boat. What amazes me about sailboats and the people who sail at least in my area of Long Island, NY is how little these boats are revised over the years.
Good Point!
Judging by the cable ties, that bracket thing is definitely being used more to keep the pipe off the alternator and less as a washer
Good diagnosis and repair. Kudos to you!
this a manufacturing problem. not the consumer at new or used level. glad it was resolved and yes put on here for all to reference to.. thanks for the vid man.. boats r like hummers man, their both always fucking up and needing improving upon... ..lol
Cool. Seems like an easy fix and I would of bought that boat as well with that inherited problem. Looks good overall. Good to know problem. Filed away for future reference.
Good job!
New sub here and I’m glad I found this channel! I’m looking at an O’Day 28 as my first boat in the near future and seeing this video is fantastic for giving me info on what to look for and also I never thought about skimming the forums to see if current/previous owners of a potential purchase had posted about any issues they were having.
That could most certainly happen. Flying over the gulf is awesome. Can pick you up in Venice. I have a Cessna 172 so there's room!
Very Good 👍video. I remember our friend had the same problem and I think he did the same thing you did. I will ask him.
Thank You again for the video.
And Aloha from the Big Island 🏝of Hawaii!
Happy sailing!
Same to you!
I believe your anxiety level has been reduced and your knowledge has increased..🍻
I found that same plug on my Catalina 30 that I just bought. Oh is it a melted mess. The biggest problem is that plug is rated for 5amps and the circuit for the amp meter (if you have one) can carry up to 30 amps. I’m going to be replacing that plug with one made out of Anderson Powerpoles. They have 15, 30, and 45 amp connectors that all fit in the same plastic housing. The connectors are silver coated to prevent corrosion. Well… they will corrode a bit but silver oxide is a good conductor so who cares, it works way better than the brass ones.
Good info, thanks! I'll have to look at that. The one I got is 25amp.
Excellent
Thanks I will check that on mine!
Post more! I love the videos
Thank you... I'm trying. We have our overnight stay video nearly done to come out Friday. Thank you for the support!
Awesome content! Sorry I keep saying the same thing throughout you videos but it really is great!
Thanks!
Boats looking good. Nice job
Thanks 👍
Love the content as always 😎👍🏻
Thank you!
If and when you take some thing off THINK when you are putting some back on how much does it cost and if it fails should it be replaced, alternator may bee no fan belts should not hold shape 8.00. 9.00 $ may bee yes or 1 year old to not have to do it out at sea.. see if you can put a alternator light on it it can attract you then look at gauge just safe good show.🙄😁
i want a Motor Yacht, but after watching this, i think i might just get a sail boat.
Great post. Many of us are in same boat 😀
I almost bought your boat on Craig's list. I live in North Port. But, I wasn't ready. Still flying airplanes. Not ready to go back into boating/
Envision? That's cool - there's another person on here who said she wanted to buy to also. Let us know when you're taking us for a ride in the plane and we'll take you out on the boat!
Same problem on my 1983 Oday 28. Found hundreds of dollars of attempted repairs from various marinas trying to fix the issue over the decades since the boat was built. The factory wiring is a real bad design and a fire hazard. Why did they run a heavy gauge wire to an ammeter located in the cockpit and not use a shunt? I replace the ammeter with volt meter and did a voltage drop from the starter push button terminal to the starter solenoid and it was 7 volts! The wire from the pushbutton switch to the starter solenoid is to thin. I replaced with a heavier gauge and problem fixed. Bad design from factory. I originally found that wire connection melted and thought I had solved the problem too but to my utter disbelief the problem persisted,. If you still have problems with the starting let me know and i can send you the wire schematic I made with the changes.
Mine has had the important mods done already, like the ammeter replaced and a glow solenoid added so it's only a 10 second glow press. I'd like to see that schematic! Can you email it to adventuresinparadiseFL@gmail.com ?
Thank you!
@@AdventuresInParadise I like the 10 second glow solenoid idea. I hold the glow button for 30 seconds its a pain.
Know your boat.
Hot wife, great boat. You got it all! Really enjoy your videos
Glad you managed to get it fixed and I loved the costume 🤣
Out of curiosity, how did you learn the engineering side of things? You seem really knowledgable and I’d love to learn!
I've been wrenching on things my whole life, but these days you can learn anything by looking online!
Have you reached out to the previous owner to let them know that the issue was the connector?
No, I don't really communicate with him at all.
@@AdventuresInParadise probably for the best, but part of me would want to let him know about his web board post and how simple of a fix it was. Nice work on the repair
Uuuh. Wooops. Yeah. The boat has no issues. (Owners runs to push start button 13 times.) uh. I’ll be right there …
I consider a boat similar to an aircraft. A seller that doesn’t disclose all known issues is a chicken sh-t A H regardless of what the letter of the law says. In most cases full disclosure won’t even change a buyers mind and it will help prepare them should they encounter the same problem in the future.
Pretty sheisty of that previous owner. Trying to sell a boat is no excuse.
He's a better man than me. I just sold a 50 year old truck and I told the guy absolutely everything I knew that was wrong with the truck. Not to over exaggerated but the previous owner put these guys in danger.
90% of diesel issues are related to fuel
90% of electrical problems are due to connections
Keeping water/condensation out of fuel, maintaining filter/pump, not allowing plugs to become fouled, etc solves most motor issues
Electrical is almost always the various connections. Think about how simple electric motors are (eg alternator. Teslas, etc) - bearings typically fail before components
I worked on one boat with five rusty but connectors on a single wire going to the bilge pump.
With a 2 stroke outboard you could have literally boight a new motor and a spare for 1000$
The problem with that is that the alternator needs an engine to charge the batteries or run devices.
Most everyone knows that boat wiring is just a big cobbled up mess from the factory. Granted the seller should has said there's been an issue of the motor not cranking reliably. The fact that after pressing the start button many times and eventually it whips right over and starts tells you many things. First it tells you the problem has nothing to do with the batteries or charging system because it eventually whips the engine over. That only leaves the starting circuit as the problem which can be anything from the key switch to the starter itself and also battery connections. That trailer connection that has no business being in a boat especially near salt water would be the first place to look. The connector had a good enough connection for the other circuits but not the starting circuit. If you didn't use Dielectric grease at the connectors you can eventually have a poor connection between crimped connector and wire. There is marine grade wire that should be used which is tin coated for corrision resistance and connectors for wet conditions. Glad you figured it our before something bad happened.
So, how many hours of repairs for an hour of actual sailing? No I dont have a sailboat yet... lol
Also, I imagine owning a sailboat in a small country with very little sailing tradition would be very very hard to fix problems in case something breaks or malfunctions.
Many people do far more repairing and fixing than sailing, and I don't think they dislike it. For some, it's a hobby to fix things up, especially for people who no longer work. I suppose it all depends on the boat condition and how complicated the boat is. Simple boats or newer boats will be less work for sure. I would say that most of the time, an old big boat in bad condition is going to be more work than sailing.
I smell a rat. I can’t recall ever seeing a sailing channel diagnosing an issue and getting it right the first time. Usually, it takes months of probing and replacing at least 50% of the parts. Not to mention the cost and time wasted traveling back a forth. Did you edit that out to impress us? 😂😂😂😂😂😂👍👍👍👍👍👍 Great job Captain.
in the last episode I put new batteries in since they were about 2.7 years old. i didn't have to do much since (A) the prev. owner listed about five things he did and (B) I was able to find a common source of this issue online after five minutes of searching.
Your belt is too long.
it is?
The belt on my pants or the belt on my engine?
Why would you lie about an engine on a sailboat that could leave someone stranded for weeks in the middle of the ocean, where they die from dehydration?
That's not just a bit dodgy, it's downright evil.
heh you buy a boat at that age, you better have skills. or pay the price, welcome to budget sailing. there is no safety net.