Im pretty much the same hardware minus cpu but its close enough. Im rocking a 5800x3d and a 3080 12gb with a very similar kit of ram. So I can confirm its been a great combo for VR
Thank you thank you thank you. I’ve been waiting for CPUs to specifically tested for VR! Not many people doing this content. Well done for standing out from the crowd.
It’s great to see these VR benchmarks it helps a lot. One game that would benefit hugely from the CPU upgrade is VRChat, which is a game that is very CPU bound whilst still needing a GPU with a good amount of VRAM to handle all the avatars.
Vr games are usually very simple and kinda empty, so the CPU is rarely used, and the GPU is only used for resolution and refresh rate rather than lightning calculations, so it was expected to not see much on an improvement What I would like to see however, would be stuff like bonelabs or vrchat Now there's not a lot you can do for a consistent benchmark on vrchat, but could give a rough idea due to the CPU having to process the many assets there are However bonelabs becomes a lot more interesting, as the game is constantly doing physics calculation with the player and enemies, meaning the CPU is heavily used on this game, and could see a nice improvement when switching CPUs Finally, something I'd like to add to the benchmark is CPU and GPU usage On my testing every time 1 component had a high frame time, the other would also have it, this is because If the GPU is struggling, the CPU has to wait, so it increases the frame time, and if the CPU is struggling, the GPU has to wait, so it also increases the frame time This is why I started to also look at usage, as even though my CPU frame time may be high, I can see that it's only being used by about 10% where as my GPU might be at 90%, which explains why I have those framerates Which is what I think happened on Microsoft flight simulator, both frame times are through the roof, and although the frame time on the GPU is higher, when it got paired with the 7800x3d that could process all the buildings much faster, the GPU dropped some frame times as well, meaning this game could benefit from CPUs due to the amount of assets it has to load Complicated nerdy stuff, sorry, TLDR, CPU and GPU frame time are directly proportional, so it's good to see the usage % to see what component is working more, additionally, testing games that requiere many assets to load, or have much deeper physics calculations is a better way to stress out the CPU
The newest AM4 value champion is the 5700XD . Lately 5800X3D seems to be 50% more expensive at 5-10% more performance.🙄 Most definitely not worth it over 5700X3D.
This is fantastic content and your testing methodology is the best in the PCVR world. I have a 7800X3D and a 4090, but I also have a 7700X, 5600X, and an old 9900K that I've all used for PCVR over the past few years. Have you ever thought about doing PCVR PC build recommendations as extra content on the channel? I bet you could get some great hardware sponsorships.
I am looking at buying a 4070 ti super and a 7700 non x. Will that be enough cpu or do I need to get a 7800x3d? I ask me because 7700 comes with a cooler and is only $220.
short answer : 4790k, probably. But it won´t be pretty and tops out very early. Ryzen 3600 / i7 8700k would probably count as minimum standard for everything on medium. long answer: "decent" depends on a lot. Maraksot tests exclusively USB C / Wireless VR. Quest 2, 3, Pico 4, and almost everything else use this. This has compression / encoding overhead loss, but is also which 75% of VR users will use. Displayport VR ( cheap used : Rift S, price / performance used : Pico 3 Neo Link, Highend : Pimax ) has no encoding issue and uses raw gpu output. Means, the pc treats the headset like a usual display, and you can expect your rig to behave comparably. A Rift S would need about 1440p / 80 fps stable display resolution to run native, a Pico 3 Neo about 4K native, a Pimax whatever you can throw at it. If you only use PCVR, get displayport and never look back, because its way less troublesome. VR also is way more about stable frametimes than high fps. 30 frames stable as a rock can look and feel better than 90 fps jumping up and down, which makes you seasick in minutes. If you need wireless and / or standalone vr without PC, get a Quest3 or Pico4, but live with high hardware demands and varying, sometimes frustrating and unsatisfying, PCVR results.
What a pointless exercise! And this man deserves props for doing it - JUST FOR YOU! Because he clearly knew the outcome as did most of the folks who have been around the block. Give this man a like.
Im surprised no one in your comments isnt bitching "7909xtx slow, use a 4090" but they dont know that nvidia has horrible driver overhead and its a known fact that if youre using a lower end cpu, amd is better for this reason.
Great video as always! fpsVR is a must have tool for PCVR users IMO. It’s fantastic for letting folks know if there are any performance issues based on hardware or if it’s more of an unoptimized game issue. And it’s less than $4 on Steam. Which brings me to this. The 7800X3D mostly shines in unoptimized VR titles and single core cache intensive games. This is not a shot at you whatsoever because you are the man, but the games you benchmarked were mostly all higher budget, well optimized VR titles. If you were to benchmark say VR Chat, modded Skyrim, some flat2VR titles then you would really see the benefit of the 7800X3D. Also, newer games with small amount of team members that may not have the time or budget to optimize games as much would benefit. Say the new PCVR game CONVRGENCE which I regularly see CPU frametimes reach over 12ms with a 7950X on 90Hz and a render resolution of 5100x4312 per eye. Either way the 5800X3D is still a beast and great for most users and VR games. But like you said, if building a new PC, the 7800X3D is the best CPU for VR gaming. And with pricing gone down on AM5 mobos and DDR5, you can build a 7800X3D/mobo/ram VR build for a very similar and affordable price. Micro Center currently has a bundle of a 7800X3D/B650 mobo and 2x16GB of DDR5 6000 CL30 for $480 which is insanely good for anybody looking to build a VR PC. I’d highly suggest using SteamVR & fpsVR for future benchmarks and some of the games I had mentioned above to really test the boundaries. Thanks again for the great content! You give so many people a look into a side of VR that others often don’t venture and it’s greatly appreciated. Cheers to you! -farmertrue
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do a comparison between the 7800X3D and the 14900K, so many people say "oh 3d V-Cache makes a huge difference in vr" but i cant find a single statistic comparing them specifically for vr
the 7800x3d outperforms the 14900k in regular gaming most of the time while drawing a quarter of the power and being like 250 dollars cheaper, for gaming it's a no brainer tbh
Great video. Also don't forget, you are using a Quest 3 thus a streaming HMD, this can tax the system more than a Display Port (REAL PCVR), HMD, something like a Reverb G2, Valve Index, Pimax Crystal and Varjo Aero. I have both the G2 and Quest 3 and in my testing using MSFS, I find it looks better in the G2 due to no streaming compression and it's performance is just a bit better also. This is using a 7800X3D and a 4090, 64 gigs of DDR5 at 6000 cl30. I have a Pimax Crystal Light on order, very much looking forward to trying this thing out, won't be until sometimes in August from the sounds of it, I just hope I get a good unit (Pimax QC or lack of it) LOL
It's kinda nice how both offers some nice value overall depending on where someone is with their hardware. Helped people either upgrade their current AM4 rig or start from scratch with AM5. Either way, both had their value offering pro's. The L3 cache's nicely nifty among all of the 3D V-Cache CPUs out there. Kinda crazy to also take into consideration that the 5700x3D has lately been going on sale for 200$, can't go wrong with that upgrade at that price.
Will you please do a PCVR build?… I am huge in the VR and looking to build my first PC strictly for VR but possibly down the road for some actual 2-D games as well.
The inherent issue with VR is pushing higher display resolutions to increase GPU demand, thus bottlenecking the GPU. For this reason, I wish there were headsets on the market with higher framerates and lower resolution, thus taking demand off the GPU by loading up the CPU.
One game I noticed better performance from a 5800x3d to a 7800x3d was Re8 Village. Somehow I was cpu limited in that game because upgrading my cpu allowed me to push my render resolution up by 20%. Im not sure how.
I just upgraded from 5800x3d to 7800x3d because I figured this was the optimal time to upgrade. Was able to sell my old parts and move to AM5 for around $200 out of pocket. The B650 board has way better io than my B450 I sold. Looking to upgrade my 3080 once the next gen cards are released.
Yeah, the games tested not allowed to take the best conclusions. Which games are hard on CPU side in VR? Assetto Corsa Competizione, EA WRC, MSFS, VRchat, Valve Alyx, Iracing, Pcars 2, in short resume VR Sim games. But man, excellent content, there's nothing on pair on YT. And your methodology is right. Render time is the only way to compare performance on VR games. And one though: More time on CPU side is less time on GPU side, so more GPU time is great for images improvement, and is it really happens.
About a 40 or $50 difference depending on where you buy your CPU at it’s just smarter to go with the 7800x3d.. it saves you from having to upgrade later on for one and for two if you decide to purchase a better headset down the road you’re gonna be happy you have a more powerful CPU but just make sure you have GPU with the same level of performance
Dude vrchat is the worst nightmare for any vr cpu, sadly it’s complicated to have a proper comparison because while you change pc parts people leaves the server or new people join, or new avatars etc.
Great video as always. Would love to see you retest the AMD 7000 series again now most of the issues have been resolve, especially since the quest 3 now supports 120hz.
I recently bought a 7900GRE to test so that's a video that's going to be coming, also I can say while testing the 7900XTX for this video everything was great. I did only use Quest Link (link cable) and not AirLink but I had none of the problems making this video I've had in the past. No right eye squeezing and the encode resolution and bitrate were fantastic. Graphics were sharp and clear and there was none of the stuttering I've experienced in the past. It's really a shame that AMD takes so long to get their drivers working good and/or for Meta to get their stuff working good with AMD hardware. AMD GPU's get a bad rep because of this. In reality their hardware isn't bad, it's in the ballpark with Nvidia however Nvidia just does so much better typically with their drivers.
Very informative and we dont get so much about pcvr hardware in youtube, mostly about the latest standalone which I never really care about since I mainly play PCVR.
I'm now curious to see how a 7600 or 7500F would fare in VR. They're pretty competitive compared to a 5800X3D. I've gotten it in my head to build a mini ITX PCVR rig 😅
Hi, I just discovered this video and this video really helped me a lot as someone who frequents in VR Gaming. Would you happen to know how big of a difference in VR there is,using R5 7600 vs R7 7800X3D since I have the former right now.
I have this combo. And the answer is: Depends which type of game do you want to play. If you go to SIM side: ACC, MSFS, EA WRC, Iracing... No, here the 7600 don't push the 4070Ti to limit. In another VR games: Is really fine, rock solid on 7600.
Thank you for the info 🙏, btw can you do vr mods testing like the Luke's ross mod flat too vr? i don't see noobody on youtube testing, Amd vs. Nvidia scenario's
That they did. I was just about finished with this video when that announcement was made. I said what I said because prior to that announcement, as far as I knew, AMD had moved on to AM5 and was pretty much done with AM4. While I was obviously wrong about that, since the announcement I've been looking into the new 5800XT/5900XT, and from the stuff I've seen they aren't much better/different than the CPU's they're essentially replacing. From the stuff I've seen the 5800XT and 5900XT are just binned 5800X and 5900X's and are only 2 or 3% better than the previous versions, so the 5800X3D is going to remain the best gaming CPU on the platform.
The issue with 5800x3d is games like iracing using a 4090 and 5800x3d bottlenecks the CPU a bunch. Some Sims are single core and CPU intensive the 5800x3d is decent but 14700 and 7800x3d make a huge difference..if you can afford to only stay am4 5800x3d is great if you can go am5 7800x3d is the way to go just like in msfs comparison
So I have to sell my quest 2 that I've had since launch. Due to being disabled. But I have found a reverb g2 for 150$ do you think that would be a decent headset?
The point of the video is telling people 5800x3d is still a very viable option and is more cost effective than the 7800x3d, not only that but people running am4 systems wouldn't have to buy a whole new fucking computer to upgrade a single cpu of course the 7800x3d is better it's newer and runs on a am5 socket which is a generation better
Yep higher resolution equals less CPU intensive most people think it's the other way around but yeah you run 4k you can get away with a less capable CPU and be fine so long as you got a monster gpu
Ha ha ha, very true. I say the 5800X3D is the best gaming CPU were gonna see for AM4 in this video and then just this morning I see an article saying AMD has just announced the Ryzen 7 5800XT and Ryzen 9 5900XT CPU's. Don't know yet how they're gonna compare to the 5800X3D in terms of gaming performance but just when I thought AM4 was done AMD throws some new CPU's at us. 😅
For 32GB of RAM or MORE...!!!!!!! How to turn off RAM/Memory compression USE: Right Click Mouse on Windows Icon /Click on Windows PowerShell (Admin) type or copy " Disable-MMAgent -mc " (return) don't copy the quotes marks.! NOTE: this works with AMD or Nivida Cards...! Note: if you have 64GB of RAM in most cases you can turn off Win PAGEFILE also. Make sure your Mother Board PCIE-subSYSTEM "4G" is turned on. Make sure your BIOS has it. This is used to extend your Video Card memory to run past the 4GB limit of old Vcards. If it is turned off your Vcard is limited to 4GB of memory used in old windows 32 bit stuff. Mother Board - "10bit Tag Support" will increase your GPU speed by 1-3 % if turned on. Auto Mode = OFF; This will not work with old M.2 drives. The hardware needs to be Gen4 or 5 / Amazing Graphics with this on, if your running a 10bit monitor in 10 bit mode Vcard. This is a must do for Nivida GEN4 cards. (Note: You can not use LINUX OS with this on some apps.) Video Editor (render time will decrease ) 3x FASTER with 10bit Tag turned ON. (Tested on Corel) Remember to reboot your system. Note: Windows Default install for gaming is crap. Also Virtualization: turn it OFF in the BIOS again this will speed up your FPS. Its turn on by DEFAULT C State: Global C-State in MB can be turned off and it will increase your FPS another 2 to 3 FPS on top of what the other stuff gives you. AMD 5900XT version 2 of the 5950X and there is more - a lot more for speeding up your CPU..!!
In my original 7900XTX video I used 4704 X 2384 but that was using a Quest 2. I'm now using the Quest 3 and the closest resolution in the Oculus app is 4704 X 2528, so that's what I used this time around.
@@Maraksot78 Thank your for the info ! Also got a 7900xtx with 7700x and pimax crystal, really not easy to find the good balance betweend resolution and fps. Wonder if the 7800x3d would help as most of the time the gpu is close to 100 % load.
If worthwhile is what you're asking for, make the jump and get the 7800X3D my man. I got the i7 2600k on release and it made me piss my pants. The 7800X3D made me shit them. Zen5 is just around the corner, but I know this guy is gonna last for years just like the 2600k did.
5800x3D is just a terrible value and still $297 mid June 2024. 7600x is far better value at $197 and about the same in total price after selling off old parts. 5000 series was great for a final AM4 upgrade but the x3D were just too spendy to upgrade to vs jumping to AM5. Just bought my third new 7800x3D this one for $220 locally. That warrants selling off another x570 board, ram and 5600x. AM4 was awesome starting with 2700x & 1600AF's. Then came 3600,5600x,5800x,5900x various upgrades on all of them. Some systems seeing 4 or 5 CPU's as they moved around like musical chairs when I would upgrade my primary PC. AM5 can be very affordable shopping local ads and open box market. Just got a open box B650 Aorus Elite AX for $88 total. Working great in my kids PC running ultrawide 1080p @ 200hz w/ a 6750XT.
Anyone have a 5800/7700 non-3D they could loan him. I went for more cores because the 3Ds didn't seem to benefit as much at VR resolutions on pancake games. Now curious if that's true.
If you mean the 7950x3d, only 8 of those core have the 3d cache on them, so there's not much difference in performance. Sometimes it performs worse bc it might use the non 3d cores, I think you have to limit the speed of all the cores to he max that the 3d cores can go to to try and make sure they are being used.
umm.. Vrchat lol? 7800x3d with a index?? need this type of true vr testing seeing as how Vrchat will eat cpu alive. Also using a quest to test powerful CPU and GPU's is about the same as using a ps3 for the testing....
the idiot saying get a 7950X3D XD, yeah if you want to have a bad experience get that CPU for any kind of gaming. the only time that CPU is worth the headache is if you HAVE to have productivity features and want to also game. having to manually turn off half the cores that arnt getting CCD support makes a 7950X3d the same as a 7800X3D with extra steps
That commentor obviously was unaware of the dual CCD's on the 7950X3D and how only one of them has the 3D V-cache and that to ensure you're using the 3D V-cache on that chip when gaming you have to enable the option in BIOS to prioritize the CCD with the 3D V-cache. He seemingly just knew the 7950X3D is the most expensive CPU in the lineup, but was obviously unaware the 7800X3D is the better choice for gaming. That's ok though, we all gotta start somewhere and learn along the way. I know I'm still learning stuff every day.
no one out there doing vr content like you. thanks for your research and testing.
Exactly! The important stuff😂
He is good! 👍🏼
this is rare, one of a kind doing cpu reviews for VR
im using Ryzen 7 5700X3D, RTX 3080 and 32GB 3600mhz. Works ok for everything VR including vrchat
I heard VR chat is the hardest of em all 😂
Im pretty much the same hardware minus cpu but its close enough. Im rocking a 5800x3d and a 3080 12gb with a very similar kit of ram. So I can confirm its been a great combo for VR
@@yingbxua6240 the more avatar turn on the harder it gets, but the X3D chip helps alot compare to my old 3600. low fps gave me motion sickness
@@legomaniac601 wait... 3080 have 12gb variant?
@@hishamaru3080 ti
it would be interesting to see the performance difference between the 5800x and 5800x3D to see how VR games benefit from 3D V-cache tech
Thank you thank you thank you. I’ve been waiting for CPUs to specifically tested for VR! Not many people doing this content. Well done for standing out from the crowd.
No problem. Thanks for checking out the video.
It’s great to see these VR benchmarks it helps a lot. One game that would benefit hugely from the CPU upgrade is VRChat, which is a game that is very CPU bound whilst still needing a GPU with a good amount of VRAM to handle all the avatars.
Vr games are usually very simple and kinda empty, so the CPU is rarely used, and the GPU is only used for resolution and refresh rate rather than lightning calculations, so it was expected to not see much on an improvement
What I would like to see however, would be stuff like bonelabs or vrchat
Now there's not a lot you can do for a consistent benchmark on vrchat, but could give a rough idea due to the CPU having to process the many assets there are
However bonelabs becomes a lot more interesting, as the game is constantly doing physics calculation with the player and enemies, meaning the CPU is heavily used on this game, and could see a nice improvement when switching CPUs
Finally, something I'd like to add to the benchmark is CPU and GPU usage
On my testing every time 1 component had a high frame time, the other would also have it, this is because If the GPU is struggling, the CPU has to wait, so it increases the frame time, and if the CPU is struggling, the GPU has to wait, so it also increases the frame time
This is why I started to also look at usage, as even though my CPU frame time may be high, I can see that it's only being used by about 10% where as my GPU might be at 90%, which explains why I have those framerates
Which is what I think happened on Microsoft flight simulator, both frame times are through the roof, and although the frame time on the GPU is higher, when it got paired with the 7800x3d that could process all the buildings much faster, the GPU dropped some frame times as well, meaning this game could benefit from CPUs due to the amount of assets it has to load
Complicated nerdy stuff, sorry, TLDR, CPU and GPU frame time are directly proportional, so it's good to see the usage % to see what component is working more, additionally, testing games that requiere many assets to load, or have much deeper physics calculations is a better way to stress out the CPU
The newest AM4 value champion is the 5700XD .
Lately 5800X3D seems to be 50% more expensive at 5-10% more performance.🙄
Most definitely not worth it over 5700X3D.
This is fantastic content and your testing methodology is the best in the PCVR world. I have a 7800X3D and a 4090, but I also have a 7700X, 5600X, and an old 9900K that I've all used for PCVR over the past few years. Have you ever thought about doing PCVR PC build recommendations as extra content on the channel? I bet you could get some great hardware sponsorships.
I am looking at buying a 4070 ti super and a 7700 non x. Will that be enough cpu or do I need to get a 7800x3d? I ask me because 7700 comes with a cooler and is only $220.
@@drumyogi9281 that'll be plenty for VR
Okay, now we know the best CPU for VR, but which one is the “bare minimum” of the CPUs where you can play decent VR?
I think the oldest i3 processor, because i use it
short answer : 4790k, probably. But it won´t be pretty and tops out very early.
Ryzen 3600 / i7 8700k would probably count as minimum standard for everything on medium.
long answer:
"decent" depends on a lot.
Maraksot tests exclusively USB C / Wireless VR.
Quest 2, 3, Pico 4, and almost everything else use this.
This has compression / encoding overhead loss, but is also which 75% of VR users will use.
Displayport VR ( cheap used : Rift S, price / performance used : Pico 3 Neo Link, Highend : Pimax ) has no encoding issue and uses raw gpu output.
Means, the pc treats the headset like a usual display, and you can expect your rig to behave comparably.
A Rift S would need about 1440p / 80 fps stable display resolution to run native, a Pico 3 Neo about 4K native, a Pimax whatever you can throw at it.
If you only use PCVR, get displayport and never look back, because its way less troublesome.
VR also is way more about stable frametimes than high fps.
30 frames stable as a rock can look and feel better than 90 fps jumping up and down, which makes you seasick in minutes.
If you need wireless and / or standalone vr without PC, get a Quest3 or Pico4, but live with high hardware demands and varying, sometimes frustrating and unsatisfying, PCVR results.
What a pointless exercise!
And this man deserves props for doing it - JUST FOR YOU! Because he clearly knew the outcome as did most of the folks who have been around the block.
Give this man a like.
Now the question is... What GPU CPU combo hits 120hz at the lowest cost for majority of games.
5700X3D + 7900 GRE most bang for the most eyecandy VR buck?
Im surprised no one in your comments isnt bitching "7909xtx slow, use a 4090" but they dont know that nvidia has horrible driver overhead and its a known fact that if youre using a lower end cpu, amd is better for this reason.
So what you are really saying is “it is a known fact that nvidia releases a finished product with properly optimised drivers”
Great video as always!
fpsVR is a must have tool for PCVR users IMO. It’s fantastic for letting folks know if there are any performance issues based on hardware or if it’s more of an unoptimized game issue. And it’s less than $4 on Steam.
Which brings me to this. The 7800X3D mostly shines in unoptimized VR titles and single core cache intensive games. This is not a shot at you whatsoever because you are the man, but the games you benchmarked were mostly all higher budget, well optimized VR titles. If you were to benchmark say VR Chat, modded Skyrim, some flat2VR titles then you would really see the benefit of the 7800X3D.
Also, newer games with small amount of team members that may not have the time or budget to optimize games as much would benefit. Say the new PCVR game CONVRGENCE which I regularly see CPU frametimes reach over 12ms with a 7950X on 90Hz and a render resolution of 5100x4312 per eye.
Either way the 5800X3D is still a beast and great for most users and VR games. But like you said, if building a new PC, the 7800X3D is the best CPU for VR gaming. And with pricing gone down on AM5 mobos and DDR5, you can build a 7800X3D/mobo/ram VR build for a very similar and affordable price. Micro Center currently has a bundle of a 7800X3D/B650 mobo and 2x16GB of DDR5 6000 CL30 for $480 which is insanely good for anybody looking to build a VR PC.
I’d highly suggest using SteamVR & fpsVR for future benchmarks and some of the games I had mentioned above to really test the boundaries. Thanks again for the great content! You give so many people a look into a side of VR that others often don’t venture and it’s greatly appreciated. Cheers to you!
-farmertrue
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do a comparison between the 7800X3D and the 14900K, so many people say "oh 3d V-Cache makes a huge difference in vr" but i cant find a single statistic comparing them specifically for vr
He’s an AMD fan boy he won’t ever compare them.
the 7800x3d outperforms the 14900k in regular gaming most of the time while drawing a quarter of the power and being like 250 dollars cheaper, for gaming it's a no brainer tbh
Eeeh, on flat games the 7800x3d its a king, imagine on VR side, which push a lot more a CPU.
@@William3143vr is gpu intensive
@@Musyaaaa Of course, but frametime on CPU side is so much important either.
Woah ive been looking for a comparison for a while now thank you so much!
No problem. Thanks for checking out the video.
Very interesting! Im gonna check out your channel as im getting back into vr with a 13700k and 4090.
Great video.
Also don't forget, you are using a Quest 3 thus a streaming HMD, this can tax the system more than a Display Port (REAL PCVR), HMD, something like a Reverb G2, Valve Index, Pimax Crystal and Varjo Aero.
I have both the G2 and Quest 3 and in my testing using MSFS, I find it looks better in the G2 due to no streaming compression and it's performance is just a bit better also.
This is using a 7800X3D and a 4090, 64 gigs of DDR5 at 6000 cl30.
I have a Pimax Crystal Light on order, very much looking forward to trying this thing out, won't be until sometimes in August from the sounds of it, I just hope I get a good unit (Pimax QC or lack of it) LOL
I hear vrchat is pretty cpu bound, I would be curious to see some harder to run worlds tested.
Thanks for all the effort!
No problem. Thanks for checking out the video.
It's kinda nice how both offers some nice value overall depending on where someone is with their hardware. Helped people either upgrade their current AM4 rig or start from scratch with AM5. Either way, both had their value offering pro's. The L3 cache's nicely nifty among all of the 3D V-Cache CPUs out there.
Kinda crazy to also take into consideration that the 5700x3D has lately been going on sale for 200$, can't go wrong with that upgrade at that price.
Will you please do a PCVR build?… I am huge in the VR and looking to build my first PC strictly for VR but possibly down the road for some actual 2-D games as well.
The inherent issue with VR is pushing higher display resolutions to increase GPU demand, thus bottlenecking the GPU. For this reason, I wish there were headsets on the market with higher framerates and lower resolution, thus taking demand off the GPU by loading up the CPU.
One game I noticed better performance from a 5800x3d to a 7800x3d was Re8 Village. Somehow I was cpu limited in that game because upgrading my cpu allowed me to push my render resolution up by 20%. Im not sure how.
I just upgraded from 5800x3d to 7800x3d because I figured this was the optimal time to upgrade. Was able to sell my old parts and move to AM5 for around $200 out of pocket. The B650 board has way better io than my B450 I sold. Looking to upgrade my 3080 once the next gen cards are released.
Yeah, the games tested not allowed to take the best conclusions.
Which games are hard on CPU side in VR? Assetto Corsa Competizione, EA WRC, MSFS, VRchat, Valve Alyx, Iracing, Pcars 2, in short resume VR Sim games.
But man, excellent content, there's nothing on pair on YT.
And your methodology is right. Render time is the only way to compare performance on VR games.
And one though: More time on CPU side is less time on GPU side, so more GPU time is great for images improvement, and is it really happens.
Just found this video - excellent stuff.
About a 40 or $50 difference depending on where you buy your CPU at it’s just smarter to go with the 7800x3d.. it saves you from having to upgrade later on for one and for two if you decide to purchase a better headset down the road you’re gonna be happy you have a more powerful CPU but just make sure you have GPU with the same level of performance
Dude vrchat is the worst nightmare for any vr cpu, sadly it’s complicated to have a proper comparison because while you change pc parts people leaves the server or new people join, or new avatars etc.
Is i5 13600kf good for vr with rx 7800 xt
Thanks
Great video as always. Would love to see you retest the AMD 7000 series again now most of the issues have been resolve, especially since the quest 3 now supports 120hz.
I recently bought a 7900GRE to test so that's a video that's going to be coming, also I can say while testing the 7900XTX for this video everything was great. I did only use Quest Link (link cable) and not AirLink but I had none of the problems making this video I've had in the past. No right eye squeezing and the encode resolution and bitrate were fantastic. Graphics were sharp and clear and there was none of the stuttering I've experienced in the past. It's really a shame that AMD takes so long to get their drivers working good and/or for Meta to get their stuff working good with AMD hardware. AMD GPU's get a bad rep because of this. In reality their hardware isn't bad, it's in the ballpark with Nvidia however Nvidia just does so much better typically with their drivers.
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@@Maraksot78 You should try SteamLink and SteamVR with AMD. A comparison video would be very interesting to watch.
Very informative and we dont get so much about pcvr hardware in youtube, mostly about the latest standalone which I never really care about since I mainly play PCVR.
I'm now curious to see how a 7600 or 7500F would fare in VR. They're pretty competitive compared to a 5800X3D. I've gotten it in my head to build a mini ITX PCVR rig 😅
I have a 7950X and it also performs similarly to the 5800X3D and really all the non X3D 7000 series. For most, they are great for VR!
7700 is comparable to the 5800X3D not the 7600.
@@UKKNGaming Hardware Unboxed has a video comparing the 7600X to the 5800X3D. I suggest you watch it.
@@UKKNGaming Gamers Nexus also has a review of the 7600. It's directly comparable to the 5800X3D.
Ryzen 7 5800x3d is AM4 SOCKET but ryzen 7 7800x3d is AM5 support. So it depends on what moderbord you have
Can u try 5700x3d if you have one?
Hi, I just discovered this video and this video really helped me a lot as someone who frequents in VR Gaming. Would you happen to know how big of a difference in VR there is,using R5 7600 vs R7 7800X3D since I have the former right now.
7600 should be about at a 5700x3d, better ipc and clocks vs 3d cache. Means the 7600 is fine, the gpu has more impact than it.
I have this combo. And the answer is: Depends which type of game do you want to play.
If you go to SIM side: ACC, MSFS, EA WRC, Iracing... No, here the 7600 don't push the 4070Ti to limit.
In another VR games: Is really fine, rock solid on 7600.
Thank you for the info 🙏, btw can you do vr mods testing like the Luke's ross mod flat too vr? i don't see noobody on youtube testing, Amd vs. Nvidia scenario's
Didnt they just announce 2 new am4 cpu's like a couple days ago?
That they did. I was just about finished with this video when that announcement was made. I said what I said because prior to that announcement, as far as I knew, AMD had moved on to AM5 and was pretty much done with AM4. While I was obviously wrong about that, since the announcement I've been looking into the new 5800XT/5900XT, and from the stuff I've seen they aren't much better/different than the CPU's they're essentially replacing. From the stuff I've seen the 5800XT and 5900XT are just binned 5800X and 5900X's and are only 2 or 3% better than the previous versions, so the 5800X3D is going to remain the best gaming CPU on the platform.
im still using regular 5800x
should i upgrade to 5800x3d / 7800x3d?
Love it. Great video!
Aw man. Was hoping Resonite would've been a tested bench. Still appreciate the video, tho!
Now we need a R5 5600 CPU comparison.
hi a Heavy modded skyrimvr and falloutvr enough with 5700x? or upgrade to 5800X3D ? thanks
You cannot uncap VR games. The way to test is indeed CPU time.
I was thinking about getting the RX 7800XT for PCVR for VRC. I know Nvidia is better for VR, but the price on it is so much better.
Any thoughts?
No man sky should be your test point
This would probably be a different story with a high end Nvidia card. Nvidia has much more CPU overhead on their GPU drivers.
Best video ever I’m looking going bro for my msfs. And I have the 5800x3d
The issue with 5800x3d is games like iracing using a 4090 and 5800x3d bottlenecks the CPU a bunch. Some Sims are single core and CPU intensive the 5800x3d is decent but 14700 and 7800x3d make a huge difference..if you can afford to only stay am4 5800x3d is great if you can go am5 7800x3d is the way to go just like in msfs comparison
no game in vr look better than any game in pc in 1080p using a good monitor
So I have to sell my quest 2 that I've had since launch. Due to being disabled. But I have found a reverb g2 for 150$ do you think that would be a decent headset?
Can You Compare RYZEN 7 5800X and i5-13500? which one should i take?
I dont even get the point of the video, obviously its the 7800X3D..?
The point of the video is telling people 5800x3d is still a very viable option and is more cost effective than the 7800x3d, not only that but people running am4 systems wouldn't have to buy a whole new fucking computer to upgrade a single cpu of course the 7800x3d is better it's newer and runs on a am5 socket which is a generation better
real world use is what most of us come here for :P
i managed to run vr with an athlon 3000g without gpu, anything is possible(it looked horrible but it didn't crash)
Yep higher resolution equals less CPU intensive most people think it's the other way around but yeah you run 4k you can get away with a less capable CPU and be fine so long as you got a monster gpu
Is my Ryzen 7 3700X not cutting it with my RX7900 XT?
Sub-screeb-eh!!! Dude, I love your content!
Im currently running a 4070ti with a 5600. Im wondering how much i would benefit a 5800x3d with my VR gaming. Any ideas 💡
as expected. CPU doesn´t matter so much in most games as we play in "extra" high resolution...
never say never with AM4.
Ha ha ha, very true. I say the 5800X3D is the best gaming CPU were gonna see for AM4 in this video and then just this morning I see an article saying AMD has just announced the Ryzen 7 5800XT and Ryzen 9 5900XT CPU's. Don't know yet how they're gonna compare to the 5800X3D in terms of gaming performance but just when I thought AM4 was done AMD throws some new CPU's at us. 😅
For 32GB of RAM or MORE...!!!!!!!
How to turn off RAM/Memory compression USE: Right Click Mouse on Windows Icon /Click on Windows PowerShell (Admin) type or copy " Disable-MMAgent -mc " (return) don't copy the quotes marks.! NOTE: this works with AMD or Nivida Cards...!
Note: if you have 64GB of RAM in most cases you can turn off Win PAGEFILE also.
Make sure your Mother Board PCIE-subSYSTEM "4G" is turned on. Make sure your BIOS has it. This is used to extend your Video Card memory to run past the 4GB limit of old Vcards. If it is turned off your Vcard is limited to 4GB of memory used in old windows 32 bit stuff.
Mother Board - "10bit Tag Support" will increase your GPU speed by 1-3 % if turned on. Auto Mode = OFF; This will not work with old M.2 drives. The hardware needs to be Gen4 or 5 / Amazing Graphics with this on, if your running a 10bit monitor in 10 bit mode Vcard. This is a must do for Nivida GEN4 cards. (Note: You can not use LINUX OS with this on some apps.)
Video Editor (render time will decrease ) 3x FASTER with 10bit Tag turned ON. (Tested on Corel) Remember to reboot your system.
Note: Windows Default install for gaming is crap. Also Virtualization: turn it OFF in the BIOS again this will speed up your FPS. Its turn on by DEFAULT
C State: Global C-State in MB can be turned off and it will increase your FPS another 2 to 3 FPS on top of what the other stuff gives you.
AMD 5900XT version 2 of the 5950X and there is more - a lot more for speeding up your CPU..!!
Have you tested the 4090 ?
could you compare the i9 14900k and the 7800x3d?
still waiting for that 7600xt benchmark
Very intresting ! What was your resolution for MSFS ?
In my original 7900XTX video I used 4704 X 2384 but that was using a Quest 2. I'm now using the Quest 3 and the closest resolution in the Oculus app is 4704 X 2528, so that's what I used this time around.
@@Maraksot78 Thank your for the info ! Also got a 7900xtx with 7700x and pimax crystal, really not easy to find the good balance betweend resolution and fps. Wonder if the 7800x3d would help as most of the time the gpu is close to 100 % load.
Try it in another sim like DCS
Would it be a worthwile upgrade going from a ryzen 3600 to a 5700x3d? Coupled with an amd 6800
If worthwhile is what you're asking for, make the jump and get the 7800X3D my man. I got the i7 2600k on release and it made me piss my pants. The 7800X3D made me shit them. Zen5 is just around the corner, but I know this guy is gonna last for years just like the 2600k did.
Can you add No Mans sky to your tests too?
Can you benchmark a rx 6600xt?
Fantastic! 💗💗💗
Now retest with 4090! Is 4090 much better in vr at all?
between the price of a 4090 and the melting power connector issues I'm a bit hesitant to get a 4090
@@Maraksot78 I replaced connector. 15$
Do a Rx 7900 gre vr gaming review
Thanks.
5800x3D is just a terrible value and still $297 mid June 2024. 7600x is far better value at $197 and about the same in total price after selling off old parts. 5000 series was great for a final AM4 upgrade but the x3D were just too spendy to upgrade to vs jumping to AM5. Just bought my third new 7800x3D this one for $220 locally. That warrants selling off another x570 board, ram and 5600x. AM4 was awesome starting with 2700x & 1600AF's. Then came 3600,5600x,5800x,5900x various upgrades on all of them. Some systems seeing 4 or 5 CPU's as they moved around like musical chairs when I would upgrade my primary PC. AM5 can be very affordable shopping local ads and open box market. Just got a open box B650 Aorus Elite AX for $88 total. Working great in my kids PC running ultrawide 1080p @ 200hz w/ a 6750XT.
AMD is trash.
@@RanFranklin It most certainly isn't especially the X3D CPUs.
Anyone have a 5800/7700 non-3D they could loan him. I went for more cores because the 3Ds didn't seem to benefit as much at VR resolutions on pancake games. Now curious if that's true.
The only thing i want 2 know is i need a 16 core x3d for iracing or other racing games. Got the feeling i can get more out of my 4090.
If you mean the 7950x3d, only 8 of those core have the 3d cache on them, so there's not much difference in performance. Sometimes it performs worse bc it might use the non 3d cores, I think you have to limit the speed of all the cores to he max that the 3d cores can go to to try and make sure they are being used.
@@yetischmetti9529 i mean in the future when the 9950x3d will come. Maybe they learn from the mistake and put 16 cores vcache.
@@Snakkers yeah, hopefully it's more successful and has more cache
In Iracing? Certainly no. The game uses only 2 cores. Hahaha. 😂
13k views?, bro fell off
No it isnt one of the best hasnt been for a while
test 4x games like stellaris and total war, etc etc Those game eat cpu like booty
what a silly video, why would the 5800x3d be better than the 7800x3d lol
Silly names why would the 3090 be better than the 4060
@@jameswolfe6195but the 3090 is better
@@dreamedfriend because there is a higher number doesn't mean it's better
silly comment
The point is not to see whether the 5800 is faster than the 7800, but to see if the upgrade will make any difference in VR.
@@Augusto9588bingo
5800X3D WORLD champion as most OVER-rated OVER priced cpu of all time
Wth are you talking about literally the best most affordable gaming CPU you could have ever gotten lmfao
@@UKKNGaming time for you to wake up and get out from your mumma's basement. REALITY doesn't agree with your crazed dreams
@@UKKNGamingDon't mind him he goes around every single AMD video thrashing AMD it's best to ignore him.
"what's better in vr? a 350$ cpu or a 500$ cpu?"
umm.. Vrchat lol? 7800x3d with a index?? need this type of true vr testing seeing as how Vrchat will eat cpu alive.
Also using a quest to test powerful CPU and GPU's is about the same as using a ps3 for the testing....
:3 :3 :3
🤣 Just waiting for PlayStation to sort that vr dongle for the psvr and my 4090 on a 5800xd3 will do 👍😎
the idiot saying get a 7950X3D XD, yeah if you want to have a bad experience get that CPU for any kind of gaming. the only time that CPU is worth the headache is if you HAVE to have productivity features and want to also game. having to manually turn off half the cores that arnt getting CCD support makes a 7950X3d the same as a 7800X3D with extra steps
That commentor obviously was unaware of the dual CCD's on the 7950X3D and how only one of them has the 3D V-cache and that to ensure you're using the 3D V-cache on that chip when gaming you have to enable the option in BIOS to prioritize the CCD with the 3D V-cache. He seemingly just knew the 7950X3D is the most expensive CPU in the lineup, but was obviously unaware the 7800X3D is the better choice for gaming. That's ok though, we all gotta start somewhere and learn along the way. I know I'm still learning stuff every day.