Will I Fail You As Well, Kim? - Therapist Plays Disco Elysium: Part 10
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Refusing to engage with politics in this game is a political stance in-game (Moralism) even if not specifically chosen, and the game will comment on it. There is no way to be apolitical.
On the other hand, I don’t think there are “correct” political choices either. The game will make fun of you for picking pretty much any side, as well as for not picking a side at all.
@@mongoose1582 Yea. But to be honest, the "Kingdom of Conscience" dialogue is one of the most extreme. I felt insulted on a personal level and try to change my political view iRL because of it. I dont want to be a moralist, standing at the sideline and shaking my finger in disgust, when people are getting their hands dirty with blood to change a failed system.
Nope. You can be not Moralist either. What you can be instead is: "A Boring Cop". If you manage to avoid picking sides completely. Mostly done by focusing exclusively on the case and being disappointingly sane.
@@nemamiah7832 Just dont internalize the thought of being a moralist. Yea. But the game will get you either way.
@@nemamiah7832 Boring Cop is a Copotype, which are separate from political stance thoughts. By not selecting Kingdom of Conscience Euro Brady avoided being /explicitly/ a Moralist, but not choosing political options and going to moderate responses whenever politics comes up is definitionally Moralism, and the game WILL call him a Moralist for it. Being truly apolitical is an impossibility, something the game clearly gets across.
Brady: "I don't intersect with the political."
Also Brady: " Capitalism alienates the Proletariat and desolates their self-esteem and self-worth. I am horrified by the effects material conditions have on my fellow man. Break the chains fellow Proles. I'm not political though."
Yeah honestly Brady comes across as having at least some mildly left wing views for me.
He sympathises with the working class and kids being stuck in the street out of school and teenagers working boring low wage jobs for ridiculous hours.
Something to think about maybe. You may not have the terms or education Brady but you CLEARLY have feelings and perhaps even beliefs that you haven't really understood on more than a subconscious level just yet
And then, in dialogue with Rene, Brady decided to choose the most offensive response out the four ("Commies just don't understand how money work.")
That was so confusing lmao
Because that's also true @@thecrimsonviscount5689
true centrist
It makes perfect sense that a mental health professional would be guarded about politics. I don’t mind it as long as they, like Brady, are willing to acknowledge that the social determinants of health, and socioeconomic status are not irrelevant to mental health.
Besides, I don’t really want to do a centrist or apolitical play through right now so I’m happy to watch him do it lol.
Rejecting centrism is the most centric thing ever, even the inaction is political, amazing
Disco Elysium: "You often seem to pick none-of-the-above on this political stuff, huh?"
Brady: DISCARD THOUGHT!!!
@@cleverman383
I think someone felt a bit too seen in that moment hahaha. He even got a chart out to say how it made him feel scared and like people would think he was stupid.
Love you Brady. Life is a process of learning. Maybe you'll find something out about yourself playing this game. Thay discard thought was such avoidant behaviour I almost had to laugh
@@LiamWhittle-tm7yo I admire how he admitted that stuff about himself and was willing to examine it on stream
@@cleverman383 Me too, please don't mistake my friendly teasing for mockery. This is one of my favourite streams and Brady clearly is a very open minded engaged guy with a lot of insight. I admire the self reflection
The ideology of "absence of ideology" a classic in todays working class.
when talking to Kim you can discover that writing in his notebook is his version of talking to himself like Harry’s 24 voices talk to him. the whiteboard is your version
he did discover that before yeah
Kim:
Hides behind mask of professionalism to avoid conversation
Brady:
OMG literally me
Me as well in my first playthrough
God you can tell this game was written by an addict. Its so well portrayed how you get stuck.
Im a recovering addict and one of the biggest thoughts keeping me in it was that if i went through the withdrawal, I'd lose that last bit of function i actually had and would lose everything
@Eirkyr that doesn't surprise me one bit. It was like looking into.ky own past in a lot of ways though I gratefully entered recovery relatively young. It was nice to feel seen honestly. A lot of portrayals of addiction in media really don't get it
I'm not an addict myself but I have a friend who is an alcoholic. He's open to the problem, he even acknowledges the problem, but he just can't help it. Me and other friends has been trying to ask him out to have fun and a short term travel to get him some fresh thought, those didn't help.
When I played the game I noticed the game talks a lot about issues that reminds of him. So I thought: if me and other pals can't talk him out of it, maybe absorbing it from a third party would help. I know he plays games a lot, so I recommended the game to him.
Two days later, he told me he couldn't finish it cause the game reminds him too much about himself, it felt too real. One month later he suddenly told us he was joining the army.
I don't know if it's the game or he finally made clear his mind, but he's coming back at the end of this year, we got a party prepared for him, hope he's in a better state now.
Harry: gets completely and thoroughly emotionally demolished by himself in a dream
Brady: "Well, there's a lot there."
Haha I will talk about that scene at the top of next episode, was too tired to dig into it in the moment 😅
@eurobrady
I expected nothing less. I absolutely love your playthrough though it is a shame that your more serious approach misses out on some of the games amazing humour.
I'd perhaps recommend a second playthrough for yourself when you're done with the streaming were you pick some of the crazier options as the writing in this game is phenomenal and the world really reacts to you if you approach it with delusional jokes about superstars or blatant nihilism and suicidality.
Also you can make the hilarious choice of subscribing to EVERY SINGLE POLITICAL IDEOLOGY at the same time which will obviously make Kim think you are a complete lunatic but is damn funny
Game: Politics
Brady (Authority): start a dictatorship!
Brady (Logic): Thats a trap, run!
Brady (Empathy): We should help fritte girl
I don't think its possible to not engage with the game's politics, the refusal to engage is itself a stance, and the game will call you out on it.
Better to just have fun, you don’t even have to apply your personal beliefs to it, just roleplay what your Harry would think.
Yeah i agree. I would argue if you don't engage intellectually with the games political thought and choose not to select dialogue you'll really miss the whole story and it's nuances. Even to engage psychologically with the characters and their lives, context and contemplation on the world's fictional political landscape is needed. You'll really miss out.
A COMMIE, THE BIGGEST COMMIE EVER!!!!
Yep. There is no such thing as "apolitical". In this game or in real life.
Problem was his indecision guide by fear of repercution.
First thing you learn in retoric and strife is that label and boxes are just that,label and boxes, things you pick up use in yourself and other and then discard.
Not something you allow to stick to you unless you take adventage of it.
"Words are cheap, action have concecuences" is something i belive in, as is not the discurces that express one is heart, but their action, as this are the one that have any real tangible effect in the world.
It's a shame that you didn't ask Electrochemisty what speed is, since it leads to my favorite Volition line in the entire game
Electrochemisty tells you that speed is what gets you up in the morning
Volition tells you something like "No. It's because you made a promise to me. That you'd wake up 7:30 every day no matter what.
Yes, I was so sad that he didn't ask for the same reason.
"But how do you FEEL about politics" was such a good question from the chat hahaha.
The memeing was perhaps a bit too hard/enthusiastic at times, but it WAS hilarious. It allowed those who'd been watching for many hours the chance to use some of our teacher's words and tools against them (but in a fun way). It's a bit of horseplay from the students that shows we have been paying attention in class!
Specifically, "we are entering the psychological work zone" as Brady got a little defensive (yet played along like a champ, drawing his feelings on the board) was probably the highlight moment of the series so far.
What is actually a bit sad is when a handful of viewers got offended by this brief moment of levity and tried to shut it all down. No one is telling Brady how to play. No one is saying he should have picked any particular option. People are either 1. memeing on centrism (which is always fun and valid) or 2. trying to use this moment as our turn to educate the teacher on something
I am kinda late for this, so will only add a little interpretation.
People where miff because his choices weren't by bolition, but FEAR, basicly his social underestanding let him to belive any choice will have damaging repercution to his person.
Thus people wanted him to relax and just choose, as not choosing or compromising with several choices are option the game takes into account.But people wanted it to be by bolition, not fear.
This all seem toget the message across by next video, thos the "centrist" meme seems to have permieted him so now he searchs it out.
And unfortunate for him this game will confront and target you for ANY choice you make, in a teacher who wants to instruct in advance phylosopi, kind of way.
but ALSO, this is still a game, one can save acum, redo parts and do completly diferent runs to see and learn of what happens.
Several and almost all path of this game expose positives and negatives of choices and opinion in almost all aspect posibles, the amount of knowledge that can be experience is diverse and staggering all the same
So yea, you can also goof around and be a racist dipshit because you want to hear what muscle head is all about.
Or anyone else for that matter
I'm a little sad that Brady's political avoidance didn't crop up during his discussion with the two old men, because the way the game calls you out in that scene is so funny and iconic it's one of the most referenced lines in memes
I thought he would have laughed at the “I keep picking all the “none of the above” option” line as well
Spoiler warning, in case you'd like to experience it yourself. Otherwise:
The line is that if you fail a roll, you're presented with an extreme communist or fascist dialogue option, and if you complain about the selection, Rhetoric will tell you to "Pick one of these fascist or communist options or fuck off."
If we're checking for schizophrenia, the talking corpse was inland empire, which is harrys imagination and aware that he was projecting onto the corpse.
If you dive in further you can even find out that the way he talks is because Harry assumed a certain ethnicity and he's portraying him as a stereotype.
"I don't know anything about politics" 5 minutes later he tells a story and describes real world impacts of policy better and more effectively than almost any ideologue or video essayist of any political side I have seen on youtube. Do not underestimate yourself. Just because you don't know terms and dogmas of politics doesn't mean you don't know what you are talking about. Because of your job you have seen so many people of various sides and demographics, learnt about their experiences and that gives you unique perspective.
Aw well thank you for this 🥹 genuinely I struggle with all the names and sects and systems and my fear is mainly around getting them mixed up and sounding like an idiot in the process. I'm not as self-conscious about my actual opinions more so just what box they go into 😓
@@eurobradyit sounds like what really intimidates you isn't the politics, it's the jargon and "team sports" aspect of it. That's a valid concern, since political labels are often used as thought terminating cliches. Still, I'd encourage you to engage with it more, just try to separate the labels from the ideas. That might help you analyze the underlying core beliefs that feed into political ideologies. I think you'll find that most people don't really fall into political camps so much as they fall into political coalitions... That, and most people don't think that deeply about politics anyway, so don't sweat it if you think you're uninformed, they probably are too, even if they're more opinionated.
@@roobthenoob6607 YES I think that is literally it, and I wish I had explained it just as you said here better lol. All of the political jargon seems super reductive and alienating to me and so I find it hard to subscribe to any of them. All I know is I believe what I believe, and it is based on experiences in different cultures and comparing the pros and cons. How I work is shaped by that and so is the personality of my clients. I do engage in politics in this way but I just really don't want to get involved in the categorization of it all.
@@eurobrady Maybe you know enough to know how much you don't. Theres a wisdom in that.
@@roobthenoob6607 So like. Talk about ideas, not about the ideology. Examine the building blocks. That's what I feel like it's about.
Political indecision can often come from a sense of inadequacy. Thoughts like: "There are people who know better, it will sort itself out." " I'm out of my depth, this feels dangerous." and " I belive in politicians to make good decisions, no matter the circumstances. It is their job." can lead to not even participating in elections, debates, conversation, organizing, etc...
"You can ignore politics, but not the concecuences of ignoring politica"
Climate change has shows us as much, and that is something people can see in real time, in all parts of the world.
@@ericquiabazza2608 You got that right.
I want somebody to draw Brady in this game’s style and the slogan to be “who benefits?”
If someone did that, who benefits?
Challenge accepted. Drawing is like cooking dinner every day, hardest part of getting it done is definitely getting good ideas for fun stuff to do 😊
These videos have been so enjoyable. On one hand, we get highly intelligent therapeutic analysis that genuinely teaches people about psychological concepts in interesting ways. And on the other hand, we get an assumed lack of understanding and a refusal to learn about any political ideologies, where the idea of even doing so is dismissed using the same psychological concepts that were previously brought up. Truly one of the playthroughs of all time.
This channel is really just one big messy therapy session for me and for the viewer isn't it
@@eurobrady always has been
Being in uni psych, watching you come to why you're uncomfortable with politics in a really constructive fashion while actually getting to an answer made my brain unreasonably happy.
My two reál on the politics discussion is that this game has a lot of different types of politics in it. Each type having a different amount of bearing on the plot.
The first type of politics is the conflict between the Union and Wild Pines. It's not politics in the ideology sense, but politics in the political machinations sense. Their conflict is obviously a backdrop to the investigation and, because you're a representative of the RCM, both sides are going to do their best to influence you. Because of this, a lot of the finer details are easy to miss. Most players not realising the subtler way they're being manipulated on their first playthrough.
The second type of politics is the ideologies that Raphaël can subscribe to. However, most dialogue options you have relating to politics are a garbled mix of talking points. This is done for several reasons. Partly, it's the game devs having a laugh at your expense. Partly, it's a way of expressing Raphaël's messed up mental state. Partly it's to make a similar point to the one Brady does: that putting all your stock in these abstract political labels is needlessly divisive and makes you sound like an idiot.
Funnily enough, the third type of politics is the one that Brady has been doing from the start. Is the actual form of politics the game wants you to engage with. A form of politics that involves looking at characters like Cuno and the Frittte girl; asking what sort of environment gave rise to their behaviour. Getting a feel for the mood permeating Martinaise, and Revachol as a whole. Wondering how things could be different. Hoping, as you can say to Kim during the end-of-day debriefing, that your investigation will help improve the situation.
I think Kim’s quote on the situation sums it up pretty well. “Every system of government has failed this city, but I love it nonetheless.” I probably don’t have it right verbatim but I still think about it sometimes.
@@Aeiouaaaaaaaaapretty sure you nailed that quote
Kim kitsuragi is the god damn GOAT
@@AeiouaaaaaaaaaDifferences too small to matter: "Every school of thought and government has failed in this city -- but I love it nonetheless." It's a great quote.
I think it's a bit more complicated than the strike only being political in the machinations sense. Or at least it can be expanded upon. Because it is political, even if Evrart is not doing it for ideological reasons. Because what is happening is essentially the so-called "class struggle". The reason it doesn't seem political to us is because it's a very different kind of politics than what we are used to - we are used to people discussing ideas on an ideological/philosophical basis they've already decided upon, rather than adopting ideological beliefs depending on who they believe promotes their material interests. This is in many ways a kind of politics more often practiced in the third world, which the economically ruinous situation in Martinaise resembles.
This is also an example of what the developers meant when they said they got their political education from Marx and Engels. It's a very marxist perspective where people (or at least those who are "class conscious") decide their political beliefs based on their opinion about who is advancing their material interest. This view is pretty alien to us in the west, where there is a very limited "class consciousness", that is, recognition of societal classes and opinion that the working class should pursue class struggle. But in economically ruinous situations, such as in Martinaise or the third world, the extreme inequality makes the class difference so much more obvious - to a worker in Martinaise it is not hard to come to the conclusion that the capitalists are exploiting them and that they are leaving you in poverty rather than capitalism helping everyone (since the rising tide clearly does not lift *all* boats), and therefore that the working class should stand together to wage class war to get some of the benefit. In the west today, on the other hand, we don't really decide our political beliefs based on class struggle, but often by picking an ideology based on our philosophical beliefs, though this is often influenced by our class background. These are two different approaches, and the latter reflects the liberal western worldview, in which there is no such thing as class struggle, or at least the existence of separate classes is not a negative, and also with the liberal philosophical background of idealism, while the former is in line with the marxist perspective, which is that people are largely shaped by their material interests (and if you aren't it's because you're being tricked), which is a result of the materialism inherent in Marxism.
Note: Materialism here is the belief that everything is derived from/determined by the material conditions (economic interests, for example), not the usual definition similar to consumerism. Also, I say largely, which may appear to suggest that Marxism is not entirely materialist - in fact it is, but rather it believes that "superstructure" (culture, etc.) is also derived from the material conditions, and so ultimately everything is derived from the material.
Full disclosure: I am personally a socialist (and I find that there are few who know much about socialism theoretically who are not, since it is not of much interest to those already set in another worldview). I believe that the unequal distribution of wealth and power in the west as well is negative, and that we should promote class consciousness and class struggle in order to achieve a classless society, though unlike that which has been attempted in the most famous examples of socialist countries. Of course, what I just did was reason my way to it based on a philosophical belief, which is in line with the liberal analysis. After all, these are just two different approaches which can be used to arrive at a conclusion: I just think that the class analysis allows you to arrive at my preferred solution more of the time, though obviously it is entirely possible and in my opinion also desirable for people to ground their belief in socialism philosophically rather than self-interest, as many have done.
Of course, another reason socialism is not as popular in the west is because our philosophical grounding attracts types like me, who write incredibly long RUclips comments that turn people away.
FYI to the people reading and OP, the last paragraph or 'type of politics' you referred to is called Dialectal Materialism. It is the ideology/theory/whatever you want to label it that everything can/should be analysed through a material lense. For example, a lot of Religious people view things through their Religious lense such as: "things are bad because God is angry" or "you are unhappy because you are sinning". Conservatives tend to view things in their lense (which often links to past religious dominance in the world): "things are bad because they aren't how they used to be". Dialectal Materialism is more an in depth review on why things are the way they are, which of course usually makes it a lot more complex than blaming a religious deity.
Btw none of these are inherently correct in any way. I am a Marxist and thus believe in Dialectal Materialism, but there's no way to 'prove' that is the best/right way to approach political/societal/individual issues. Just as there's no way to prove God exists. They're all just theories.
I have NEVER been more disappointed as when you didn't pick the "where the hood" response. Very sad day :(
lol
Eurobrady forgetting his roots in the hood, smh
Would've been his first exposure to the voice too :(
I've played through this game 4 times and never not picked that response
Don't worry too much about political choices, the game makes fun of all of them no matter what you pick, that's the whole point.
You can either pick one that gives you the best bonus for your stats, one that you think would be the funniest/most appropriate for your character or you could simply ignore all of it. Picking non of them is just as valid as every other choice.
Politics is really more a coping mechanism for Harry than a matter of sincere belief.
@@Redingold I think that's true for a lot of people (if not most of them). And the game not only does a really great job making fun of politics, it's also showing how people get radicalized by them. There are no half-measures, you have to go all in.
And that's how online discourse usually looks like. Cause regular people don't spend every minute of their life talking and thinking about politics. Only people who are obsessed with them, people at the radical ends of the political spectrum are voicing those opinions loudly.
And when you think about it, same thing can be applied to fandoms and youtube comments. Only people who either love something or hate something are willing to talk about it.
@@Pir-oHarry's political opinions are definitely treated humorously as Twitter Politics, but it gives much more weight to the political stances of other characters. They're not coping mechanisms per se for René or Evrart or Joyce, their political opinions are simply informed by their lives. The personal is political.
But the personal doesn't directly give merit to the political ideas; Joyce isn't right because she's intelligent, educated and charming and Measurehead isn't correct because he's masculine, ripped and has a logical (as in, isn't incoherent as much as a racial theory can be), self-contained worldview.
Ah, dang, I was really hoping you'd click the "Where the hood at?" option.
You have yet to hear *her*.
HAVE A BROTHER IN THE CUT, WHERE THE WOOD AT
That initial espirit de coup, i feel that was less about kim being your best friend and more so kim being a dedicated cop that he would of layed down his life for anyone.
Yea, more about trusting him practically than trusting him emotionally
Brady is the most enlightened centrist there is
"We don't know if he acttually hears Volition or if that's just how the game portrays it to us"
How about when he asks Kim if his brain ever chimes in on things, and Kim responds that he uses his notebook to think?
one thing you should keep in mind now that you've gathered a selection of clothing is to adjust to the stats demanded for the job, not necessery, but you could've change your gloves for interfasing and electrochemistry to have a highter chance with the checks at the pawn shop
YES. Please be aware you can back out of conversations to change clothes or use drugs for a stat boost. You already have the cigarettes to raise any intellect checks. If you choose to maintain Harry's abstinence from drugs or alcohol that's valid (and has story consequences) but you CAN use them for stat boosts if you wish
You can also do this as a form of preparation. If you expect confrontstion maybe clothes that boost your physical skills and hand eye coordination, reaction speed etc is a good idea?
Don't neglect the thought cabinet either! It makes major changes including adding new dialogue options
It kinda feels like you've drawn a box around "politics" in your mind, and decided that politics means picking an ideology ending in -ism and then becoming confrontational and combative over it. At least, that's how you seem to conceptualise it when describing why it's not something you want to be involved in. Ironically, you seem very capable of discussing political ideas until you realise they are political, and only then do you become insecure. Like, you've been engaging with politics this entire playthrough, you've been relating therapeutic ideas and psychological theory directly to politics over and over again, and not just from the perspective of social determinants of health. Like, even asking "who benefits here" as you have done about so many of these situations is essentially asking "what is the politics of this situation" - saying "look at the children because they are the outcome of this society" is an idea deeply entrenched in social and political analysis - but you've only really twigged that "Oh! This is politics! I don't want to get involved in this!" when a character puts an unfamiliar label on it and says something like "communism" or "centrism", etc. By that point you're usually already neck deep in a heavily political conversation, you've just not realised it. Politics is a lot more than just "picking a side", it's any and all thinking about how power shapes society - something you do constantly. Absolutely brilliant series.
I think you nailed it. I'm really not averse to discussing politics generally and know when its impact has worked it's way down to what we see happening around us. I just struggle with the identification aspect of it. I find that when we discuss politics implicitly and tangibly I am fine with it. It's when it becomes explicit and direct that we get into discreet ideologies, terminology, and tribalism. That's the stuff I avoid because in my opinion it then becomes very toxic and reductive. People will associate you with a viewpoint even if you don't share all of the views within it. Then you are also subject to the entire history of criticism associated with that ideology whether you are even aware of it or not. So I generally try not to get into it, partially because when it is at that level I am not equipped to discuss it, but I also just feel there are enough areas of the internet where it is discussed already.
@@eurobrady I get where you're coming from. The nature of internet debate has made it so political theories looks like something inherently toxic and tribalistic - as if you can't engage with them explicitly without risking attaching an ideology to your identity and alienating people who disagree with what that label stands for. But, recognising a political theory like communism or liberalism or, in this game, moralism, doesn't mean you have to take a stance on it. Theory isn't the same as ideology - understanding isn't the same as advocacy. I'll be honest, it kind of looks like you're attaching multiple reasons to not wanting to discuss politics (it's toxic, it's confrontational, and others do it elsewhere, etc.), when the root is that feeling of being unequipped to do it. That was the first reason you pinned on it, and these others have followed. But, as you've already demonstrated in this series you ARE equipped to discuss political ideas at a pretty deep and engaging level, it seems to come naturally, and you seem to enjoy it (always comes back to the children!). But, you lack the formal education in politics to associate ideas with named theories, and so when these theories are brought up it stops you in your tracks. In other words, it's the surface level knowledge that has you stumped - the terminology and nomenclature - the stuff that's actually really simple. Meanwhile, the deeper analysis you just fall into naturally. It's like you consistently demonstrate a masters level of knowledge while avoiding the language you'd learn at undergrad level. I'd do some surface level reading on political theory, if for no other reason than overcoming this source of insecurity. If you want to avoid discussing political theory in videos you still can, but then you're empowered to actually make that choice, rather than feeling forced into avoiding the topic due to doubts about your own capacity.
reading back, this is brilliant dialogue!
I fully appreciate why you feel the way you do, and this is purely intellectual, so please don't take it as a criticism! It's just interesting.
"I've never spoken to someone and decided that the way they feel is due to their political ideology."
At the same time.
"I don't know anything about politics, I want to make it clear that I don't know enough to comment on politics."
If you did have a client whose feelings on a topic were strongly determined by their political alignment, or whose politics were strongly determined by their mental health issues, would you ever notice? You'd need to at least have a grounding in how to recognize certain political alignments and how people express them in their lives and how they relate to other choices, signifiers and cultural issues. Many of the mentally ill people I speak to working in psychiatry have highly political opinions and beliefs, and their delusions often have a kernel of truth at the core of them; yes the environment *is* being poisoned, yes you *are* being stolen from, yes you *are* being neglected, yes you *are* being spied on, but not in the way you have built up in your head.
If you want to read what the devs themselves wrote about the ideologies in the game, and a disclaimer/FAQ which should deal with some of your concerns, here's a link to a devblog on politics! discoelysium.com/devblog/2019/11/13/the-political-alignment-system
And you can always use the disclaimer of not knowing enough to comment! If you mess up and misidentify a liberal npc as a communist and someone in chat tries to bite your head off, they're being unreasonable.
I'm so glad you brought this up! You're completely right that many people with delusions have them of the paranoid variety, which often center around environmental things (of which I would consider politics a factor). This too has come up in my work which would have been valuable for me to mention in the video but it didn't cross my mind at the time lol.
For me, I would approach it exactly as you said. Working with them on reconciling what are real sources of tension between them and the world and what are perceived. Internally I might totally agree that CPS is a broken system that is affecting them negatively, but not due to an involved conspiracy. It's just fundamentally broken for everyone. Still, in this dialogue I would decentralize the systems themselves and focus more on the feelings they bring up.
Another thing to always consider is self-disclosure. One of the main reasons I shy away from any engagement with broad ideology in therapy is due to it being very tricky to not let your own views collide with the client's right to self-determination. I always refocus things back on feelings and experiences rather than abstract beliefs that inspire them because it's not really appropriate for the specific context of therapy to let such things drive the work. That said, we definitely need to know about those systems and how they result in mental health outcomes, so I wanted to bring up the SDOH as that's where those things mainly have a crossover.
I think that maintaining a professional boundary on these things is important; just as you can be a good therapist/psychiatrist of faith, you can be a good therapist/psychiatrist with well defined political views. Still, my goal isn't to try and persuade you to be more political IRL, it's two things really:
1: to encourage you to have fun with the political elements of the game (see the stuff I explained/linked in the first comment) as it helps to add towards a really fun experience; there are things in the game that feel diegetic but are in fact a reflection of the character you're playing! To truly understand Harry, it's important to embrace everything the game offers, including the uncomfortable and weird stuff.
2: to explain that everything is political; if you're in favour of people receiving therapy, that's political. How it gets funded, and by who, is political. Thinking that addicts are human beings who deserve compassion is political. Being opposed to pollution and defunding of mental health services and hospitals is political. Wanting to be apolotical while you're sat in the therapist's chair, or indeed the youtuber's chair, is arguably a really positive thing! But often people who view themselves as apolotical don't notice their own politics, it's the air they breathe, invisible but ever-present. IMHO part of being a good doctor, and likely a good therapist, is recognizing that our patients/clients are being harmed by systems far greater than their immediate communities and families, and that we need to advocate for a whole population of people if we want to do everything in our power to help them. For instance as a doctor I'll be serving my patients poorly if I don't do what I can to fight air pollution, cars getting bigger and deadlier, communities getting poorer and more violent and over-policed... and part of that will come down to what I protest for and against, what I write to my local politicians, and who I vote for.@@eurobrady
Edit: wait deeper into the video, we're on the same page on point 2 it seems!
I do get you and I really value that you are also coming from first-hand knowledge of where these things actually overlap in the real world! It's important to understand what factors in a person's life impact their health, and you're so right that I must also live in advocacy of better policies to make the work we do actually matter. What good is me helping someone rehabilitate their mind if they are going back out into a world that is designed to restrict their SES? I fully recognize that and I do vote and follow policy in my personal life, I just had the idea that it was best to leave that out of this playthrough because I didn't want to start arguments (and ultimately distract from what I CAN add that is unique which is the therapy stuff).
I appreciate the source you linked, I'm going to check that out and perhaps there is some safe grounds for me to discuss this subject further in the playthrough. I just get anxious devling into it because people are so passionate about it and I am only passionate about the things that it revolves around. I may lack a formal academic view of politics but I do possess knowledge on how it impacts people's real lives. Perhaps instead of avoiding the subject altogether I can just try to make that line of commentary more clear :)
That's great! Thanks for that, this has been really productive :) that link is more oriented around what the devs think about the 4 ideologies in the universe of Disco Elysium, but it's informed by their views of IRL politics. I joined your discord today if you wanna chat more about it. Looking forward to seeing more from this series, it's the best DE let's play I've seen thus far!
Brady falling in love with Kim just like the rest of us haha. Kim is the BEST partner
Only 30 minutes in, but wanted to comment that I've heard a lot of commentary about our detective and his wildly differing political views being a sort of coping mechanism. Possible spoilers for takes you may come to on your own, so I will divide just in case.
He jumps to the most extreme versions of the four main ideologies as a way to try and fill the void in his life. He's a man who will try to find anything to try and complete himself: alcohol, drugs, political stances, random flights of fancy, but none of it works to distract from his pain and past experiences. Basically on top of the political commentary, it's also a commentary on trying to take a political identity as a form of personal fulfillment, only for that to end up disappointing when you engage with the reality of it.
I love this point
Basically the community consensus. It's definitely interesting to see him come to that conclusion, though, since the usual explanation is fairly limited to very broad strokes without examples.
I'm a very political person, but I think political beliefs at the very least also serve in that role to most of us who hold strong ones. But I do feel somewhat conflicted as to how big of a role it plays, what the other parts are if not because of the purpose it brings to your life, and what is the dividing line that separates Raph from (spoilers hence vague) the character at the end of the game or if there is such a thing as a "real believer" somehow different from Raph.
Maybe the difference is something I just haven't managed to formulate yet, though. Thinking along the lines of something about the decision making process or the belief itself - that Raph believing it is somehow different, because he adopts it mainly to feel better about himself, rather than philosophical beliefs. But then again, isn't that why we adopt philosophical beliefs anyway? Not sure.
I'm enjoying your playthrough. It's been unique. Don't let your chat tell you you're "playing it wrong" or "missed" anything. This game is highly replayable with hundreds of dialouge options that even I haven't seen, and I've played this game at the way through at least 10 times already. You're playing it exactly as you should be.
I would rather you try to be political and fail than not try at all. You can't separate disco elysium from politics
You're probably not gonna get it right the first time. No one really does
Your refusal to engage with the politics of Disco Elysium is an admittance of being a moralist.
Everyone's talking about the apolitical moralism stuff already so I won't comment on that. Brady should be able to play how he wants.
But I will also say that the lore of Disco Elysium is tied up with a lot of politics and you might miss out so don't be afraid to f*ck around a little, possibly repeating dialogues and clicking different options. The game allows you to have several conflicting ideologies, like being a communist free-market hustler so there's a lot of tolerance for bullshit 😂 At the very least you can get some funny-ass dialogue 🤣
Kim is the only centrist the game portrays in a wholly positive light, because he is the centrist everyone hopes they are, but usually aren’t. He is completely genuine in action, if somewhat detached in speech. He does not presume to have opinions, but his convictions are unshakable.
My conversations with therapists have usually found their way to the subject of “do you think your politics may be influencing your depression?” And I’m always like “yeah, of course it does. I’m a communist in heart and mind who has to live a capitalist-consumerist life in order to afford food and rent. I’m aware that my participation in an evil system furthers the goals of that system and grinds the people I want to help most, the people with less than me, into dust. How could that not depress me?” Then they give me pills and I go home.
Brady having a breakdown over in-game politics was not on my bingo card. If you are reading this just know that nobody's judging you for your roleplay. The political choices only reflect the characters state of mind and they can be a bit backwards at times. They are also played foe laughs. It only requires surface level knowledge of the game world and it can be a nice part of the roleplay.
I hope you don't feel pressured to do anything you don't want to.
my man maxing out sorry cop stats
Wow it was so incredibly interesting to watch you dissect your own reactions and sort of pick your own brain about how you were reacting to the politics stuff. That's exactly the kind of thing I'm watching this playthrough for.
30:12 Its ok to be a fool. Especially in this game
Game: do you want a hot dog or a hot pocket
Brady: I FEEL NO STRONG WAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER!
Loving the series by the way. The introspection is on point. Excited for more.
Politics definitely has a real, concrete effect on individual psychology. Even aside from the social issues you commented on. Black Americans have higher rates of trauma because they experience higher rates of poverty, violence, and imprisonment. And that violence against Black bodies gets shown over and over on all kinds of media.
Or trans folks, facing hundreds of bills legislating their existence. When these bills are being debated in legislatures, calls to trans help lines increase.
Or women who are dealing with a high-risk pregnancy in a state that has criminalized abortion.
I understand not being comfortable with political labels, but I don't think it's possible to separate the personal and the political.
But that said, this is a game. Play it the way you want, and comment on the things you want to discuss. I'm enjoying your playthrough...
And there's plenty of trauma to come for Harry, that I look forward to you talking about.
I really appreciate your videos and they've really helped me as of lately. I was really down in the dumps but following this series has cheered me up a lot. Now I always have something to look forward. Thank You :)
when the cat tail appeared around 1:04 i got so excited i forgot i was watching a recording. i went straight to chat to get hyped
Brady: "Alright, let's not get political tonight."
Brady, three drinks later: *Frittte Girls of the world unite, you've got nothing to lose but your chains.*
I love this dream section. It opens with attempts to center Harry only to take it from under his feet, by asking about his childhood and then the taste of his lover's lips. It then gives especial focus on dehumanizing himself, the lack of friends, the hyperbolyzed failure to all of history, the physical world and all mankind, all this after telling you how pathetic you were when you were left.
The scary thing? One of the responses electrochemistry could have given you was "You think that was bad? Wait till you see the one with the chick in it"
I got a good chuckle when two seconds after Kim mentioned fines and taking bribes undermined people's trust in the RCM that your first thought was "we can fine people for things up to 1000, maybe we can get some money that way" lol
So, fun fact: the voices for the Ancient Reptilian Brain, the Limbic System (as well as a mysterious third internal system you might meet later), and Bird's Nest Roy are all voiced by the same guy: Mikee Goodman. His voice range is incredible.
The apolitical option is the politics of the ruling ideology. The ruling ideology often calls itself non-ideological.
Looks like the kingdom of conscience won’t be going anywhere. The vision quest would’ve been cool, and getting the thought wouldn’t have forced you to get it.
There's actually a psychological lesson on politics in Disco, it's just kind of buried in the subtext. You're somewhat missing out on avoiding it completely, but maybe it's for the best.
The game kind of implies in my opinion that politics especially in the way Harry is involved in it - getting swept up in some grand idea - is a way for people to distract themselves from the troubles in their everyday lives. An avoidance mechanism of sorts.
Hm interesting. That is exactly how I kind of view it in the context of therapy. Like if someone is talking only about abstract political ideas or getting philosophical, when I am asking them direct questions about emotions, we consider it a distraction or avoidance of the question. It's easier to label and intellectualize those things than to discuss emotions which you cannot rely on referencing established opinions on to discuss, you actually have to observe and reflect on your own feelings which is difficult at first.
@@eurobrady Yup.
And basically the game explores the ideologies - Moralism, Communism, Ultraliberalism and Fascism - as specific flavours of maybe not avoidance but I don't know the English word for it. It will treat your preferred "none of the above" as a form of avoidance - i.e. as a political choice - just as much as any other one. I'm not going to spoil the other ones but based on your comment below about right wing, I'll just say that if you explore fascism, for instance..
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it turns out there's no unified fascism ideology. All the flavours of it you encounter in the game from fascist characters are just a convinient way to rationalize hatred - racism, mysoginy, xenophobia et cetera.
You could explore political themes and how they work for avoidance or intellectualization or something else in the same way as you delve into addiction (i.e. drink and cigs) for ingame examples of it to talk about it with a theraupetic outside perspective - if you can be comfortable with doing so.
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Well I learned something about myself today. When I get upset about my life conditions I tend to blame the conditions of money and society and the rule of the wealthy rather than look at how I can change things myself.
God this stream and the conversations it generates are interesting
@@LiamWhittle-tm7yo Feel similarly. Ultimately I think the first part can still be true, but focusing on merely understanding that/believing that is not constructive regardless, and will only send you down a depressing path. You need the second part to feel good about yourself (and of course practically and philosophically it is also more logical imo).
Another thing to consider, the detective adopting the various political views is directly tied to his mental state. For him, the question is less "how might I further the political views and values that I have" and more "How can I use this framework of beliefs to cope with the mental issues that I am having." It's like if he replaced his drinking habits with communism.
I just want to emphasize here. [Discarding the Thought] didn't get rid of the thought. It got rid of the Thought (capital T). As in, Thought Cabinet. The thought is still there and the game will keep calling you on it.
This is the only conversation where you can nope out of the conversation, basically clicking "cancel, don't want to have this Perk/Ability/Bonus". Every other time this choice presents itself, there is NO option to opt out other than saying "none of the above" which *is* Moralism as defined by the game.
This.
I rarely discard a thought, because you don't have to internalize it, but it's there if you later decide to.
Lesgoo, love seeing this in the notifications
The tie isn't schizophrenia it communicates telepathically to get you to be a cool dude. Leave him alone
The other thing about the Kim / hubcaps exchange is that Harry asked Lena for money and then felt guilty. Kim offered to help without any (conscious) manipulation from Harry.
I have no outlet for this so I need to comment it here. At 1:31:50, someone in the chat (who refers to themselves as "not political" which isn't a thing), says that they were interested in Dolores Dei because she didn't seem political to them. Dolores Dei and the innocentic system as a whole are a commentary on - and personification of, the "Great Man Theory". The Great Man Theory is the idea that history is perpetuated and made truth by a series of significant individuals who are naturally superior to the rest of humanity. Directly challenging the Great Man Theory is the Marxist theory of Historical Materialism, which states that historical change and events are primarily directed by class and production. Historical Materialism is the more leftist theory. In other words, the innocentic system is *extremely* political.
This isn't a complaint against Brady, for the record. I understand the general aversion to labeling oneself or making statements on ideologies, especially considering his job. Although, I would be interested to speak to a therapist who is a die-hard commie lol. It just frustrates me a bit when people call themselves "not political". It's inherently incorrect, no matter the qualities of the person. Sure, one can be "non-politically minded", or generally uninvolved with politics, but we are micropolitical organisms. We all exist in political systems, from Russian nationals to the North Sentenelese. All of our opinions, all of our actions, day-to-day, either oppose or reinforce politics, whether we like it or not. Besides, Kim remains (outwardly) neutral on topics not because he's ignorant or undecided, but because he's a consummate professional who doesn't think it's wise for a cop to have strong political convictions.
I'm not saying everyone has a responsibility to be politically active (as much as I might want to say that, it's unfair), but it's silly to deny politics' place in one's life. Mental health and personality are intertwined, and as such so are mental health and political ideology. You exist within politics, and it exists within you. So if someone who is politically engaged scolds you for being ignorant on a topic rather than being patient and/or informing you, then fuck 'em. Class conciousness isn't worth dick if we spend all day scoffing at eachother's ignorance. It's never too late to learn.
I diagnose Harry with a terminal case of DISCO!!!
Avoiding all the political stuff is a completely valid choice. There's content locked behind political choices, but nothing that is essential to the experience.
Also, kinda spoilers, I guess, but on a character level, the politics are mostly a coping mechanism for the detective. Basically everytime you meet people who earnestly believe in whatever politics you spouse, they call out the detective for basically being a soundbite machine with no real conviction. Politics is for the detective like drugs or alcohol, just another form of escapism.
God I fucking love this playthrough. Psychology has been a strong interest of mine for a long time -might even be a psychology student myself if it werent for the Conditions- and I'm currently obsessed with this game, so it's the perfect mix. Every time you bring up a concept I didn't know existed or had a name, or one I'm generally unfamiliar with, I pause the video and look it up until I have a general (and hopefully not too inaccurate) idea of what it means. This is useful / interesting stuff. Made me realize I've basically been CBTing myself.
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Ironically, "I am diving deeper into an ideology just to avoid a feeling of inadequacy" is a fantastic explanation of the politics questlines in this game. (I'm assuming you've rejected them all so far (still catching up) so I'm comfortable "spoilering") They're all caricatures, because the point is that Harry is pretending and compensating: Whatever his genuine beliefs were or are, as of the game's time, he's just grasping at straws, desperately trying to find or form an identity, and more importantly, show said identity to others, if only to belong somewhere.
(Of course, maybe chat has already said all of this. In which case, oops.)
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Not saying anything that hasn't been said already but "I have beliefs, I'm just confused and put off by labels being tricky" is completely understandable. Learning *when* and *how* to use these labels is incredibly helpful, and I'm sure you will pick up on them eventually (if only accidentally), BUT the beliefs ("Frittte girl's situation is not right!") are the core behind them. You clearly have strong beliefs beyond "status quo good", and you're *already* using those and making a difference in the world. The way you're willing to step back and examine yourself, in front of an audience too, despite the negative feelings, is not only a fantastic step but inspiring.
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(Considered apologizing for the excessively long comment but I've been trying to learn how to separate insecurity induced apologizing ("I must be saying stupid things or wasting everyone's time") from genuine, needed apologizing, and I... think it would fall under the former? Well. If anyone read this in full, I appreciate it.)
What I want to know is... Why was Harry's Morale healed by that night of sleep, when even his limbic system said that the sleep was un-nourishing and cut short?
He did solicit opinions on his politics, so I figured I'd throw in my two-cents. I'd have to say social-liberal fits him closest, informed by his experiences and profession, as he described in the video, and the stances in this playthrough so far.
The liberalism school of thought is commonly held and incredibly broad, encompassing a lot of different ideas and beliefs, most of which are moderate. But one common point is that many liberals dont really acknowledge that liberalism is a political stance in the first place, just common sense, either for a lack of knowledge (on the commoner' side) or rhetorical leveraging (on the politician's side), helped by the fact that the western world is mostly dominated by liberalism.
I guess this is to say, no one holds it against you. You're doing your best to navigate a complicated world, helping others along the way -- and you're doing it well.
47:00 i appreciate how you started the conversation on not being adept at political discussion, then proceeded to have a good discussion on the real political aspects of governmental assistance
Really enjoying the playthrough so far, the experience you bring has lead to some really fascinating insights. I definitely understand being wary about engaging with the political side of it, especially if you think you don't have a good enough handle on the jargon and don't believe you can speak as in-depth about it as other things (I've been there too) but I would gently encourage that you don't discard it wholesale. Each of the ideologies you can internalize lead to different, pretty involved side-quests which tend to actually wind up being more about Harry and why *he's* choosing to align himself this way than the actual ideology itself. That being said choosing not to engage is totally valid as well, and whatever you choose to do I'm really looking forward to seeing you play through the rest of the game!
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3. "This is because I keep saying "none of the above" to political stuff, isn't it?
And he discards even that
this man understands how to be even more Moralist than the Sunday Friend
love your content
Tfw every single thing he says points to the kingdom of conscience, but he avoids it because he thinks the game is actually earnestly political
You can dodge the political stuff, but know that the game will continue to throw you choices like this all along, and many characters are very close to and shaped by their political beliefs. You'll miss out on some of the messages of DE but as you said this playthrough doesn't have to be absolutely exhaustive.
I do have to admit tho that "so centrist that centrism itself is too political" is a very funny meme. The game will consider you to be a moralist, but don't worry too much about it, you won't get actually railroaded into anything.
Yah, I appreciate taking the therapist approach to the game but I don't think I'll keep going with this if this is going to be a politically absent play through. I mean, you're really playing the wrong game if you won't to engage with the politics that are baked into the core of this game. It's so central to the main themes, history and identity of every single person in the world.
Honestly, speaking personally, I think it's pretty... I don't know, ignorant to just declare yourself to be uninterested in politics like that. With everything going on in the world, from war, to the challenges of person-hood of women and LGTBQ peoples... it just seems mean to say "that doesn't effect me/I'm not interested in that." That's a position of enormous privilege to go through life not having to worry about politics. As a white man, you're one of the only people in the Western World who can comfortably know that no politician will ever attack your right to liberty and happiness. And if you're also hetero-normative, you're even more protected.
I don't at all disagree with you, but I also feel like what you're saying here doesn't really match what I said in the video. I have a lot of political opinions, most of them specifically about how broken the US economy and political systems are which underpriveldge minority groups and vulnerable populations like LGBT. I work with individuals across all of those backgrounds every day. I never claimed that politics don't affect me or those I work with, quite the opposite. All I was saying here is that I just don't want to turn this playthrough, which I intended to just be about therapy, to also be dominated by this political discussion. It's inescapable, I know that at this point, and I never claimed to not be a part of it. I know I have the privilege of not being among those groups, but that does not mean at all I'm not aware of how it impacts them.
As an aside, I don't think it's ignorant to be uninterested in politics as an academic subject. It's not like I'm uninterested in the real lived experience of people affected by those systems, what I am uninterested in is the political theory and reductionism that always happens when talking about political ideologies. I am just not interested in really knowing the textbook ideas of communism or capitalism. I am interested in knowing the feelings of someone who is impacted by them.
@@eurobrady Thank you for clarifying. Apologies if I misunderstood your position. I guess where I would disagree with you is that understanding the "textbook ideas" of communism and capitalism. I mean, to quote Seinfeld, "you didn't realize that communism was a sensitive issue??"
But I think any understanding of today's world of politics, or even Revochol's, which is inspired by the Eastern Europe during the Cold War, having a good baseline understanding of the basics really helps. The reductive and simplistic versions of politics may seem stupid and annoying (cause they are) but learning the realities and/or histories empowers you to have a deeper understanding and tell the crap politics from the genuine.
That's just my opinion. I'm glad to hear I was wrong about your views.
Where the hood, where the hood, where the hood at?
i felt like chat when the DMX dialogue option wasn't picked, such an insanely out of left field moment even for this game.
My country went EXACTLY through what happened in Revachol. So the history hit hard for me. But I can understand "not getting" the stuff about revolutionary folk against the "capital".
im enjoying hearing out denmark while the chat just goes bananas
is it just me or are the voicelines for the bloated corpse here slightly different? i seriously remember the bloated corpse being angrier because i've memorized that whole monologue with the cadence and everything and it sounds just ever so slightly more downtrodden here. but it does get angrier at some parts like how i remember it. does something factor into that or does the game just have multiple audios for the same voice lines it throws out at random?
I've watched all of these episodes and nothing gave me psychological damage like brady not even acknowledging the dmx line.
A man tried to play disco Elysium without engaging in politics.
He failed.
Seriously tough politics are very important to the game and the characters. If you want to experience the best the writing has to over you have to engage with politics a little
I love how you are on part 10 but still on the first day. So much more still to happen in the game. I am curious your thoughts once you get the point about the ex marriage and other stuff.
Still at episode 8, but came here to say I hope you finish the game, i am loving the playthrough
I think the conversation is getting a little too bogged down in "political vs non-political". I don't think it's so much that we want you to get political. For me at least, i just don't want you to avoid in character options bc you feel they're political and as if you have to defend them as your own. Of course you should do whatever feels right to you, but i do think you've done a good enough job role-playing other parts and explaining your thought process behind it that you shouldn't have to worry about alienating people by choosing dialogue that your character might actually say or think. And even at that point, i don't think you would necessarily need to comment further on the narration after picking one of those options. Ultimately it's your playthrough and you shouldn't feel bad about playing it the way you want, but i don't think it's as big a deal as we're all making it out to be.
EuroScaredy. Hang in there, Brady.
I enjoy your playthrough because it disregards standards of what is "well played".
You will miss content by discarding political thoughts, but that isn't the end of the world, especially if you're uncomfortable navigating or discussing those parts. The politics will find you just fine anyway, heheh.
If it convinces you at all to dip a toe into the politics, each 'political vision quest' ends with a little thesis from the skills themselves about the psychological incentives to adopt each ideology, and what specific portions of ourselves are validated by each of the four.
Your playthrough is slower and more methodical, but that's why I'm here. You're 'close reading' the game, to use an English major term. Your presentations, 'white board' moments, and tangeants are valuable, especially to DE fans who have already turned this game inside out.
There's plenty of DE streams out there. I saw you *really* take your time, really *grind it down as best as your professional experience will allow!
I hope after you finish this game you will give us a postmortem diagnosis or psychological profile on the character. I wonder how your hypotheses will shift as we go along.
1:43:10 Nothing could had me prepared for the sudden sexy Limbic system voice calling out
Social determinant role of politics is a great compromise here if you're not into choosing an ideology. You'll start to get a sense of the game world's history, and how their politics are different from, but influenced by, real-life systems. That history informs the beliefs and actions of a lot of characters in this world and will become clearer naturally over time.
RPing an Amnesiac gives you an interesting opportunity to discover things you possibly should've dived into before.
You know sometimes the cause of politics on you can be highly traumauzung and life-changing, ESPLECIALLY if you don't have an interest in them and unaware as a result. I wouldn’t spent year and a half in a warzone if I would monitored politics closer.
Brady! You gotta go for the Moralist vision side quest, it's a really cool way to expand the game through your choices of moralist dialogue options!
Agreed, it also has massive psychological implications for Harry.
He's already opted out of the thought, I'm not sure he can
@@Ruspanic damn you may be right. maybe if he equips the moralist pants though? dont remember if thats possible and he might just never equip them, too ahahah
Great observations by the way. Hav8ng troublevdealing with others mental health issues and my own stressessI i found this game to be really cathartic and ive found your commentary go be refreshingly helpful. I played this online with my daughter overseas observing who had recommended this so we shared in the decisions. Like yourself i shied away from choosing to much a political side but we pretended i was a futurecop. I i had come from the future to prevent a great calamities and was sharing this body. Meaning i could cheat on saves sometimes and just follow certain tracts of inquiry. a bit of extra roleplaying to justify actions. It was a fun ride.
When nobody's got me i know Kim and Volition got me!!
I like how the game commented on *you* by calling you boring and indecisive.
Psychologist with no knowledge of polotics is a charlatan
What I am learning is that there are many people who are not therapists that somehow have very strong claims about what makes someone else a good therapist. I am choosing not to discuss politics thoroughly because I am not an authority on it, precisely because of the way it comes off in comments like this one^, i.e. argumentative and opinionated without any first-hand validity.
@@eurobrady don't take it seriously I'm just messing with you
@@eurobrady good content as always
That's a relief 😅 though I have been seeing that sentiment for real so my apologies for taking offense 🙏
@@eurobradyread Frantz Fannon, trust me
Once again loving the playthrough for 10th chapter already!
I hope you will be less poked by chat in the future though. Some people there just can't stop with their agenda even if you are already clearly stated your point on a subject
If you ask EdC who he is when it gives you the "he'd throw down his life for yours" bit at the beginning, it identifies Kim as "your half-brother" and I think that's such a great framework for it. Blood family is oftentimes the initial framework for the people we're bonded to but we definitely don't always get along with them.
Did you end up opening the secret compartment in Harry's clipboard? Or use the cop car headlights on the clipboard?
I know we did the headlights already but I'm not sure about the other thing
On my first playthrough I was afraid to make choices, because I through it would be a chore or too scary to do so, specially because I had still not learned to trust the game on how it would take into considerations such choices. It's okay if you don't want to engage with the political stuff at this time, but just for the sake of experimentation and see how picking a political stance does color an individual's view on the world, if you ever have the chance, do another playthrough on your own. You truly learn a lot more of what makes a character choose and do what they do. You may not want to engage in the politics, but it's an integral part of learning how and why people act in one or another way.
Thanks for sharing your journey & posting your extensive thoughts.
As a viewer with a Poli Sci degree, I feel for you, Brady. It's one of the only pursuits where trying to learn more about it is chock full of pitfalls.
If you want to learn more about ducks, every factoid, every book, just about every source can bring you closer to expertise.
But there's so much nonsense out there that it's easy to try your best to understand political systems and still get things wrong.
43:10 The symbolism in this game runs so very deep, and there really isn't a guide - but even the character portraits are politically color-coded.
Kim's white circle could imply anything from isolationist neutrality to sainthood. A lot of characters have personalities that partially conflict with ideological tropes, and the conflict between their beliefs, personalities, and actions gives the dialogue layers of meaning.
There is a post on the Disco Elysium Developer Blog spelling out the Political Alignment System, with examples of characters who roughly fall into Moralism, Liberalism, Communism and Fascism. If you're afraid of fawning over fictional fascists, reading the page might set your mind at ease. RUclips comments with links tend to get autodeleted, so instead I recommend a quick Google search.
“We’ll have completed our first day”
*looks at the time stamps*
Loooooooooooooool
Hi Brady, love your streams! I live in Europe so when you're live at 7 PM MST it's 2-5 AM here, practically impossible for euro viewers to catch the stream live. Could it be possible to start a few hours earlier?
Also what do you think about sticking to a fixed streaming schedule, or at least announcing the streams beforehand? If viewers know that the next stream is in 10 hours they can plan ahead much easier.
Did you have a fizzy drink on the table? I was getting a strange sound from the right channel during this video.
I hope you see this comment, what do you think regarding Harry/Harrier having schizotypal tendencies? When I first started playing, Inland Empire called out to me and the entire play through was extremely relatable, to extents where it was surreal. Mystical thinking, ideas of reference, isolation, suspiciousness, I definitely see this in all of the worst options in dialogue in and traits within the Detective.