Waffen SS vs. Vietcong - Who Would Win?
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With a complete clash of cultures and combat styles, the Vietcong and the German Waffen SS had almost polar-opposite approaches to warfare. Therefore, it begs the question that, in a hypothetical battle, which of these two forces would come out tops?
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Do more hypothetical matches!
Like the Italian Blackshirts vs the Chinese Red Guards!
*Can you guys make History Of Cyprus island video? Please...
you p.o.s. you stole this from deadliest warrior episode
Can you make a video about Samantha Smith, an 11-year old girl who went to USSR after she write a letter to Andropov
This actually happened. Many SS joined the French legion which were then sent to Vietnam. There are also many stories about German soldiers who joined the Viet Minh.
There's an excellent book on this called 'the devils guard'
And the legion got their cheeks clapped by men in pajamas
@@MCKevin289TBH Insurgencies just suck to fight in general, the soviets nor the US could occupy Afghanistan, Russia had the Chechens, the coalition had insurgents to deal with as well.
@@MCKevin289 guerilla warfare is almost impossible to win against
Japanese soldiers also joined them. After WW2 ended, there were many Japanese soldiers left in Southeast Asia, including in Indochina. They had a choice between prioritizing anticommunism and joining the West against the Viet Minh (some Japanese soldiers were briefly used to fight against them before the French fully moved back in) or prioritizing pan-Asianism and joining the Viet Minh against the French. It’s thought that the Japanese who joined the Viet Minh may have helped them to become so good at guerrilla warfare.
You have also remember and put into consideration that they wouldn’t be able to hide within the local population. Germans officers/leaders especially in the SS had the ‘you kill Germans, we kill a village’ approach. This would eliminate a lot of that confusion in urban/ village environments.
True that would give the SS an advantage but they still have the Jungles and booby - traps 🪤 which the SS would have a tough time dealing with.
@@Jean_Jacques148but the Vietcong would eventually be low on men and those traps would be less common, and they would probably adapt
you think america didn't do it, lol?
you cant beat a insurgency the vietkong everyman you kill is like 5 more that shoot at you with their dads hunting rifle@@shelbylover1359
@@DrkShdAmerica definitely did mark villages as free-fire zones if they thought VC were present, but the SS would actively be trying to wipe out villages.
Technically this actually has happened in history with former Waffen SS Soldiers signing up to the French foreign legion and fighting in French Indochina. There's even a book about it called Devil's Guard by George Robert Elford.
Because the ss soldiers did not have thế will of fighting like ww2 also they did not have a good leader
These three books are complete fantasy.
@@waldganger5244why do you say that?
I red all three books and you should recognize that it was not possible. You can google it. Try books from Jean Mabire. @@ajax54
@@ajax54I am also curious to know why
I'm Vietnamese and In our old days when we were fighting France there were a lot of Germans in our army (SS troops from the French Foreign) who wanted to fight for us the Vietminh some of them became our national heroes. Now we still respectfully remember their contributions. OH there are also a lot of people in our army( Vietminh) these days too like Japanese, Greeks, Sweden, and Africans. Thank you guys a lot
Do you have some names?
@@MzeeWeeed Ernst Frey, Erwin Borscher, Rudy Schröder, Kostas Sarantidis, Colonel Ikawa, Major Ishii - Nguyễn Văn Thông, Colonel Mukayama, ....
Vive l'Union française 💙🇨🇵✨
All true, if you read Rumor of War by Phillip Cavito many South Vietnamese officers learned German so they could communicate with the foreign legionnaires.
what? german heroes?
Actually, most Vietcong AKs were Chinese variants, particularly the Type 56 with folding spike bayonet. Chinese made AK and SKS were far more common in Vietnam than Soviet ones.
The chinese were taking soviet armaments supplied to vietnam and dispatching them in limited quantity.The chinese border was the closest route to supply the NVA
Yeah it was about to say the same. Russian AKs existed but the majority were Chinese clones. The VC was also not nearly as under-equipped or untrained as people think. China not only sent modern weapons and supplied the Vietnamese well using supply lines like the HCM Trail but they also sent experienced advisors who cut their teeth fighting in the Chinese Civil War and Korea, the notion that the VC were under trained or unfamiliar with their kit may have been true early in the war, but certainly not by the end of it. Using this assumption in the matchup is like comparing Naruto and Luffy... if Naruto was from season 1 only and Luffy is current.
@@muhacnt7988there was also the Ho Chi Minh trail in the central Highlands which stretched from North Vietnam and snaked through Cambodia and Laos where the US could not intercept until a bombing campaign was launched to make the trail unusable; but to no effect
@@aztec0996 The scorched earth tactics is candy and sunshine compared to how many bombs they launched in the ho chi minh trial.Literally more bombs dropped than ww2 combined.
Death to satanic murica
This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object
Which is which?
@@Davidf901pretty easy to see which is which
When a military meets open waters with no boat
I know the N.V.A ,and V.C. did not like dealing with the Koreans. They tried to avoid it!
Who is who?
This was actually presented on that show "World's Deadliest Warrior" where they took different fighters from different periods and places and had them fight each other. The Waffen SS was pitted against the Viet Cong and likewise they claimed the Waffen SS would win. In regards to hand to hand fighting it seems the Germans placed less emphasis on it than the Allied forces limiting their fighting to bayonets and their spades and maybe something else. The Waffen SS might have had some other fighting moves taught to them that weren't taught to the rest of the German military. As for Vietnam they do have a few native martial arts like their neighbors do, so it is possible they may have learned some fighting techniques. This is all speculation on my part.
The show was just called “Deadliest Warrior”
It would be interesting to pair the German Military of WW2 to the NVA. The latter were supplied and trained by Russian advisors, with a few select units being trained by Spetsnaz GRU, who probably had training based on not only combat experience against the Nazis, but also against Western powers in the Korean War.
Technically the Waffen SS did fight them during the Indochina war. The French Foreign Legion had a ton of former SS and German Wehrmacht Soldiers.
Lauri Törni a Finnish SS Green Beret
@@zoomerschutzstaffel441 yep I remember him there's also a really good book called The Devil's Guard that goes into deep detail about them.
Any remaining when America took over (and it became Vietnam)?
@@danielcurtis1434 I think in that book I mentioned there were some Waffen SS veterans that stuck around in Vietnam even after the fall of Saigon.
And the french gotbkicked early
Some divisions were experts in fighting Guerillas. They were used extensively in Yugoslavia and the rear of the eastern front.
same with american divisions that were veterans in japan it did not make a difference the germans would still lose
The SS was experienced in wipeing out villages and had no ROEs like the Americans
Balkan guerillas were truly the worst europe had to offer yeah, but a jungle? With marshschtiefel? Yeah, tough luck there.
Still couldn’t clear out one vc tunnel system though
That’s a good point, but the things about insurgencies is that one dead insurgent results in several more joining the cause. They’d literally need to kill the entire country of tens of millions with extended supply lines and this time without land based logistics like they had in WW2. Combine that with the lack of knowledge of jungle fighting, no helicopters to quickly get in and out of the jungle to fight the VC, and assuming no cooperation with the South Vietnamese government if they ignore ROEs means they would probably lose
Thank you @Simplehistory, we need more video like this, putting German ww2 units against other historical units !
so the vietcong would win in their element and the ss would win in their element? wild
One of the goofiest commando raids I heard of, Operation: Stormtroopers.
During the Korean War, a special forces officer named Lt. Colonel J.D. Vanderpool was in Seoul when he happened upon a depot full of all the gear needed to cloth a Waffen SS unit, including weapons. This officer had a novel idea. He went to his buddy, Captain George Lamm, who was preparing a jump behind enemy lines and convinced him to dress his men from head to toe as Waffen SS grenadiers.
Two weeks later they jumped near Haeju, North Korea. Fourteen Americans dressed as SS grenadiers. For two days they caused confusion, grabbing twelve confused North Koreans as prisoners. They got out via swift boats without a single casualty over their two-day mission.
According to author Ed Evanhoe, the Soviet ambassador handed a mystified West German ambassador a formal complaint, charging German troops were operating in Korea. There was no word on the German ambassadors response.
Thanks for the anecdote
US trolling again lmao
Powermove
Do you have any online sources that I could look upon. This is a goofy topic to read and I wish to learn more!
Framed em
Deadliest Warrior memories are coming back. Ahhhh, a classic
a man of culture, noice
I miss that show…
I want that show to come back
That brings back memories of the early 2010s, despite that show being biased and flawed.
This was a very cool video, I like these type of content comparing military unit! Thank you
Waffen SS is actually pretty ineffective as a fighting force, they are too fanatic and given up their life too easily so whenever a fight came they usually sustained a really high casualties comparing to other unites.
Exactly, Wehrmacht was far better and elite in my opinion.
True, "Elite Waffen SS" myth needs to stop. While some units are equal or better than Wehrmacht but most of them are just fanatic killers that are not effective in combat.
In these last 6 months I've learned a lot of things I didn't know about the war and I'm very grateful for this channel
Hope they have all their fact right before u go believing everything they post
This particular video was nonsense, the Vietcong dragged Cold War US army into an unwinnable fight, how the heck a 1944 army would survive an adversary with RPGs and AK47s is beyond any possibility. Even by WW2 soviets with numerous PPSHs and US infantry with M1 garands were significantly more powerful than Kar98k infantry
@@nahuelleandroarroyoi think they kinda glorified the panzer faust and the other launcher’ because a rpg from the 1960’s-1970’s would easily triumph against those launchers
Just no
I'm happy that this show is finally getting recognition
Ong, I've been a fan of this show for so long
Said Sly Cooper
I have every episode on Amazon prime. Lol I’ve watched it so many times. Sometimes I go to sleep to it.
Some of the episodes were really stupid like spartan vs ninja really. Ninja weren’t warriors made to fight in the front lines they could fight but they weren’t meant to fight in the open. Spartans were made to fight their enemies head on, they had several weaknesses at range.
@@eaglewarrior7979 oh yea, but also at the same time that was one of the first episodes and I think they going for creativity instead of balanced on that one. But they definitely started learning from their mistakes after those first 5 episodes. The first one was good though.
Please make more of these videos they are so interesting to look at impossible scenarios in military history
I remember along time ago seeing this on tv and im glad that its being brought to light again
"SS vs Vietcong? Let's find out!"
- French Officer in 1950, looking at some foreign legion soldiers
Without good leaders and will
I remember when deadliest warrior did this episode !!! . So awesome to see other opinions
I remember that too
Same
@well change your name and let’s see what you can do
I really liked that show. I would have loved if they had done a faceoff between Ulysees S Grant and the Duke of Wellington.
Dude just don't remembered of the French Foreign Legion that fought in Vietnam in the 50's and was filled for about 80% by these german electricians.
I remember growing up and waiting for the newest deadliest warrior episode to come out to see with my buddies. Honestly looking back it was such a B rated show lol. I also always felt they lacked to add so much kit and training into the tests but I guess for the sake of time.
Old school Spetsnaz vs Green Berets was still funny looking back on, seeing current events and LAPD vs GSG9 was funny too.
I would love to see this be a series on this channel done in way more detail.
I was an adult even then and I knew it was flawed but still miss it.
@@matovicmmilan agreed
I love this concept ! Continue !
I guess you could say that this matchup actually happened, After the war the French Foreign Legion was basically a largely re-branded German Army. The French government do not like to talk about the fact that they were very happy to take these highly trained battle harden solders and send them out to re-claim the colonies not just in Indochina but all over the world. Plus you also need to know that under the Vichy Government France and the Legion had mixed loyalties and many secrets. Also right after the war they were using the Japanese army to "Police" Indochina until they could re-establish a military in the region, so the influx of trained Germans made this much easier and faster. For the ex-German Soldier the Legion gave these men a new name and a clean history as long as you did your time any war crimes were basically swept under the rug and your past was gone and now your were whatever Nom de Guerre said you were, so Hans and Otto became Rene and Jacques. After every world conflict there are men from both sides that for one reason or another can't go home, don't want to go home or just need to disappear, the Legion offers them a new home, a new ID and a new citizenship, IF YOU DO THE TIME that you signed up to do.
People seem to forget that those who actually choose to fight for the French Foreign Legion have criminal histories. The FFL's policy of "You fight for use, you get a clean slate and French Citizenship" would definitely draw in ex-Nazis who weren't too proud and didn't want to be punished for war crimes.
The british and japanese nearly wiped out the vietckng entireley but withdrew and lost the war when they were ordered to prioritize other locations to save money.
@@MarioKaiba Not everyone that joins the Legion has a criminal history, there are many stories of guys that really had nothing else left in their lives joining. Also there is something of what I call a combat addiction. Some people get a taste for war and they develop a love hate relationship with. They join the Legion because it offers them the best chance to fill their need.
A bit overexaggerated, Germans weren’t the entire Legion. If I recall from Bernard Fall, the Legion took in many Spaniards escaping Franco and Eastern Europeans escaping the USSR. And to replenish casualties, the Legion also had to recruit battalions of local Asian auxiliaries.
Sounds like a mgs storyline but real
if they fought in the same time period the SS was most likely be using sturmgewehrs or some sort of future derivative which should've shored them up the weaponry ranking.
I feel like whatever gun it woulda been, it would have looked similar to a g3
Probably a way more advanced sturmgewehrs or what the comment above is saying, something like a HK G3
zvallid made a nice video surrounding this alternate history scenario, and it's really cool when different videos and people sort of build a world together.
VC: *has tunnels*
Waffen-SS: *releases gas*
Yeah about that we vietnamese have way to counter the gas u know just read some book about rat tunnel in vietnam war US try to use gas too but they fail
In MACV-SOG, a Green Beret by the name of Nick Brokhausen would sometimes wear an SS stahlhelm and goggles. Apparently, he got the helmet from either his grandfather or his uncle.
Larry Thorne was a MACV-SOG captain in Vietnam. Before joining the US Army as a private he was a Hauptsturmführer in the Waffen-SS during WW2
@@OllihuAkbar Larry Thorne (Lauri Allan Törni (28 May 1919 - 18 October 1965) was born in Finland and was Finnish,
wearing an SS stahlhelm in the orient in the fight against communism? What a powermove
@@tbones8733 More than likely, they would've worn a pith helmet due to the temps and humidity.
@@OllihuAkbar And before that he was Finnish Army fighting against the Soviets in the Winter War. The man who fought under 3 flags.
This kinda happened. A lot of SS troops joined the French Foreign Legion because of they were given I new Identity after 10 years. A lot of them fought in Vietnam.
Under French control
You: Travel back in time and kick a rock
The timeline:
Keep it up with these videos
Me: "Hey, I've seen this before! This is a classic!"
People who haven't seen Deadliest Warrior: "What'd you mean? It's brand new."
(in retrospect Deadliest Warrior isn't a great show but it was fun to watch).
It was fun especially the final battles
A blast from the past. Def fun to watch if you don't take it too seriously. My favorite matchups were Ming Warrior vs Musketeer and French Foreign Legion vs Ghurkas.
@Raytheon27 my favorite was Shaka Zulu vs William Wallace and IRA vs Taliban
I’d say it was a great show in retrospect. Was an introduction to ideas and topics, had a good amount of background research, was accessible to a non-niche audience, and was super fun, both in terms of banter and testing, as well as final scenarios. Personally I’d probably prefer it over like 90% of present day shows in general.
Yes, it was I enjoyed the matchups in Deadliest Warrior inculding this one, zombies vs. vampires, and the Green Beret vs. Spetsnaz.
This HAS to become a series. Let's do the whole Deadliest Warrior rematches.
Or Deathbattle
Those would be Fantastic Epic Videos !!
@@agentepolaris4914 Death Battle was inspired by Deadliest Warrior.
@@MarioKaibaexcept death battle was more video game fighters than historical figures
@@edmundliankalang5925 Death Battle is actually more pop-culture, not just Video Games. Heck, Wiz's "Test their weapons, armor, and strength" line came directly from Deadliest Warrior. If you watched Deadliest Warrior and then Death Battle, you'd see the similarities.
It's not hypothetical. It really happened.
The French Foreign Legion was LARGELY composed of SS looking for a place to run in the 1950s. They sliced through VC like a hot knife through butter. Pierre Thoumelain wrote a book about it. “Ennemi utile, 1946-1954 veterans de la Wehrmacht et de la Waffen-SS dans les rangs de la Légion étrangère en Indochine”. He found out, that 73000 Legionnaires fought in Indochina. 30000 were Germans or Austrians. *Young people who watch this video.. DO NOT TAKE YOUR HISTORY LESSONS FROM "Content Creators."
As soon as I saw the title I was like this is the kind of content im here for
"History is not written by the victor it's written by those who write stuff down"-Max miller tasting history
True words
I feel that this is more a "What if the Waffen SS took over the role of the allied forces in the vietnam war" rather than "Waffen SS vs Vietcong".
But still an interesting concept.
TNO Moment
@@jamesedwardladislazerrudo1378play hoi4 mods the new order 💀
AlternateHistoryHub, or maybe some other youtuber definitely made a scenario like this, where if Germany fought in Vietnam.
Yeah it's like he forgot the Germans used flamethrowers and could care less about brutality.
The Waffen SS would have unleashed the renegade Dirlewinger and Kaminski brigades to terrorize the local populations, if not outright "pacify" the area by killing all the residents. Then use the mechanized elements to fight in the north when both the VC and the NVA came out into the open in the Tet offensive and probably get destroyed. I think the VC and the NVA would still have won but casualties would have been much, much higher.
Let's not forget that the SS would have had access to flamethrowers and a variety of armored vehicles. If an opponent was in the jungle, then the SS would have had no issues with attempting to remove the jungle, which would have drawn the VC into multiple reverse ambush scenarios where the SS would have had the upper hand for a time
The real strength of the VC was their relatively unknown numbers, flexibility and time. The SS would have realized the financial burden of clearing the forests vs the military gains weren't beneficial to victory, so they'd try more conventional methods of patrolling forested regions. At such a time the VC would again utilize ambush tactics, though I'm sure the SS would have flamethrowers at their disposal which would restrict the effective use of the underground bunkers used by the VC.
All in all, the numbers would prevail depending on how many warriors the VC could call upon
Already happened(being factual is debatable)…In the book Devil’s Guard by George Robert Elford a SS Lieutenant Hans Josef Wagemueller which after WWII was put in the French foreign legion along with many other Germans from different branches to fight against the Viet Minh. Hans utilized the book “The Jungle Is Neutral” by a British officer Freddie Chapman to understand how to keep his fellow Kameraden alive in the Vietnam environment.
To basically sum things up.
“Let’s replace the Americans with the SS!”
(Seriously they are both conventional armies who would get bogged down in guerrilla actions just as they did in real life. Most likely the SS will employ a more violent approach but otherwise it be basically the same expect the VC screaming: “GO HOME KRAUT.”)
And get shot for saying it
@@tomhenry897 corpses cant shoot rifles. the SS despite what is said in the video had inferior arms with only a few exceptions. bolt action rifles against kalashnikovs.... cmon.
@@TiocfaidhArLa34Against the end of the war they got better equipment,because Hitler didn't trust the wehrmacht anymore.
But they were never really good soldiers,they were a Party-militia.
The Wehrmacht hated them because they fought without any sense of strategy or tactics and had to be rescued all the time
@@lukiuki8395 they still used SMGs and bolt actions rifles as their main armaments. it was impossible to outfit all of them with modernized weapons because german production numbers could not match the number of soldiers.
the VC got fucking owned by the americans lmao.
I wouldn't call the vietcong elite soldiers considering they had over a million casualties
yeah the vietcong got absolutely obliterated after the failed tet offensive.
It was understandable by the fact US is 1st army in the world and they drop tons of bomb,chemical weapon,napalm ... on vietnam but in the end they still fail to get what they want and have 50k dead .if vn only win on polotical they still gonna losed so they still a good soldier no matter what
@@Robert-hy3vv u can win a battle but u still lose the war
Now this is an interesting topic!
Ich hatte einen Arbeitskollegen, der am Ende WW II, als 17jähriger von der SS eingezogen wurde. Dann französische Gefangenschaft, Fremdenlegio in Indoschina, wenn er auf einer Betriebsfeier etwas über den Durst getrunken hat, fing er an , vietnamesisch zu singen und weinte für seine gefallenen Kameraden. Echt traurig. Er sagte, er hatte dort viele Menschen sterben sehen. RIP.
Realistically, the whole thing comes down to which of the two parties would invade the other's country. During the Vietnam War, the VC had the home field advantage in their country's jungles and knew how to use it.
Nah, even with trainging and equipment aside, the SS has the natural advantage of size but the most important thing here is will power which the SS man definetly have given his fanaticism. The VC would be put down like any other partisan and treated with less mercy as the SS man had no constraints (unlike the Americans and her allies at the time) and motiavated politcally and racially
@@tbones8733 Well, VC and NVA did combat the whole Khmer Red and fight China, how are you supposed to say that then?
@@namelessguy933
NVA did. Viet Cong didn't.
The Viet Cong were essentially wiped out during the tet offensive 1968.
@@tbones8733 The Americans had a size and weight advantage, too, but did that help them against the VC's guerilla tactics? And fanaticism doesn't help much if you are fighting in an environment which is alien and hostile to you, but in which the enemy knows how to turn every nook and cranny into a death trap.
@@Daniel4646 i mean, what real downsize could being physical superior to the enemy be? And its not like the commies knew every inch and every tree of the Southern jungles, plenty were Northerns that went South so I dont think being a European worsens your position much (except the heat and tropical climate). My idea on the matter was formed entirely on the relativly small casaulties (in comparision to vietnamese ones) and America didnt really lose much except some pride since their folk after war could keep living a normal life instead of having kids pick up scrap metal and walk thru minefields etc. I just dont think they were very committed to fighting communism. The only real lost of the war were the Southern folks that lost their Republic.
Its a easy win for SS but you also forget that the SS had whole bunch of tactics, they even had a full group focused on guerilla warfare "Werewolf" and even the average SS soldier Was Trained in it
I’d say it is up to where the fight is, in Europe I’d say unfortunately the Nazis would win. In Vietnam, they’d get their cheeks clapped like what happened to the former SS men in the Foreign Legion.
@@MCKevin289i strongly believe the ss wouldve won.
Just because the fact that they dont have givven a damn about human rights. They wouldve bombed half of the village and jungle. Nerv gas into the tunnels and flamethrowerd anywhere
@@lucasb1138 Yea that's the biggest issue I have with this video and comparison in general. They completely skim over the fact that they are trying to approach this with the US RoE mindset instead of how the germans would have historically acted during WW2. There are also tons of other bigger factors that they either clearly left out on purpose or just simply didn't want to bother with is that german commanders would have employed different tactics to deal with the issue, or completely redesigned and reinvent tactics to deal with the VC. You get Manstein in there with Rommel on designing new ways to deal with the VC then you would probably have a completely different outcome.
Also take in the fact that the waffen SS would have zero hesitation to use nerv gas and other chemical warfare weaponry to flush out the tunnels and jungles. This is why you don't go into a video like this while keeping a US RoE mindset, because it's not how it will go down.
Also almost forgot to mention, they never even talked about the fact that the SS would have the STG-44. So they are also leaving out equipment in the comparison, which further dilutes this videos.
@@lucasb1138yeah they would invade North Vietnam and flip a middle finger to China.
@@ryanbales8116 Macbeth invade it Zoo
waffen ss germanic divisions = tottally badass.
Chris you have the perfect narrator voice. It's like you were born for it
Chris isn't the one narrating this episode.
This isnt even Chris.
The moment I received the notification, I was stoked out and this video brought me back memories from the tv show that I used to watch.
Hopefully they'll make more videos like this one.
Should make this into a short series or something. What if battles across history. Romans versus the Mongols. Medieval knights versus the samurai. Navy seals vs Spetznaz. Would be fun to see.
The ONLY time the MG34/42 was considered a heavy machine gun, is when they were on the heavy tripod firing.
It really all comes down to the environment imo, the Germans weren't much better with traversing unfamiliar territory, much like US forces.
The problem was the US couldn't just kill everyone they see. The SS could and sometimes did. Which makes guerilla warfare difficult if you dont just dress up as the SS themselves.
The SS didn’t have ROEs like the Americans did
@@Freezefort That just mean you are turning whole country into partisans. Just like what happened when Germany entered Eastern Europe.
They did good during the Africa campaign
Like the russian winter? You can't really compare that can't you 😄
The strengh of VC-Forces was to blend in with civil population. Historically it worked but even then they suffered horrendous losses.
Given the atrocities the Waffen SS was trained and used to do, I doubt that this strategy of guerillia would have worked. A word of Mao said: "The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea." The frightning thing is that the Waffen SS would most likely have tried to dry the sea to take out the fish. Waffen SS vs. Vietcong would have been an entire different conflict with much more loss of civilian life. And german equipment in the sixties would have been more advanced than in the forties. The SMG and K 98 combo would have been gone in favour of Stg.44s.
Great video and analysis . I would like to mention that the Vietcong were entirely adapted to fighting in the jungles on there own terms. They were brilliant at that. The Germans are very intelligent people and I don't think they would just let the Vietcong choose the terms of a battle. If they did need to fight in a tunnel infested jungle, I think they would have appropriately modified their equipment and tactics. The German army of WWII was specifically designed for the European theater. This is kind of a fish out of water scenario.
Is that my a bunch of 16-17 year old Americans stomped them......
In all honesty, I think the Germans would rather bomb and explode the jungles of Vietnam into ashes like what they did in Europe.
I agree. I think that the Germans would have just burned the jungle with everything in it.
@@esmeraldagreen1992you know i think the us tried that before what makes you think the germans would succeed
@@esmeraldagreen1992 we (USA) tried that also.......didnt work
Love this show, really got me into history, still hoping on a unit video on MAV-SOG
I can’t believe you did the Deadliest Warrior methods and scenario of it.
But not just their chosen main weapons, known background, and squads that they’re looking to compare. It is the whole weapons, assets, complete background, and etc… in comparison between warrior factions.
What’s next? Sengoku Oda Clan vs Joan of Arc’s French Army?
Funnily enough they did fight eachother, serving France in the 50s as ex-WW2 german soldiers enlisted with the french foreign legion and were deployed there. Good to say the VC wins as France ultimately lost
I coulda swore thus was covered on a episode of deadliest warrior , PLEASE DO MORE OF THESE ,THIS WAS AWSOME!
It was! I used to love that show! It's a shame it got canceled
It was! I used to love that show! It's a shame it got canceled
Good video. Sadly, it makes me miss Deadliest Warrior. Also, the Waffen SS wouldn't try following them into the jungle more than once. Seriously, after a few failures they'd just set everything on fire or resort to other tactics to force the Vietcong out of the jungle. Unlike the US, they weren't bound by the Geneva Convention. And they did see anyone not of the "Master Race" as human, Imperial Japan only got a pass because Hitler needed an ally to divide the USSR's attention. So all the tactics that the US were frowned upon, the Waffen SS would do anyway without high command giving a damn.
the us in the vietnam war used napalm and chemical agents to clear out va and jungle
did that work? kinda yes but also kinda no
@@greatestape960 True though I think the major difference is vc fighters couldnt get food if the farmers are dead thats my thoughts though.
@@greatestape960their generals sucks
Considering how ruthless the SS were, it's safe to say they'd destroy everything and everyone who is in their way. With no morals and a free pass to do what they wanted to the enemy, they would annihilate the VC by any means necessary.
Yeah they probably burn the Forrest down
Will there be more of these what if... vs battles in the future?
Consider that the VC's biggest showing of force during the Vietnam Conflict was the Tet Offensive and was decisively crushed to the point that the North had to send regular NVA troops down to booster their numbers.
Throw in that they're fighting a force that has few qualms about wiping out entire villages in revenge, thus eliminating their ability to hide in the populace and the VC don't have much of a chance.
That is assuming of course this is a no holds barred match to the death where the SS won't get pulled out because the people at home are whining, which is what happened to the US.
Exactly, the US never lost due to military incapability, but due to civilian unpleasure. In a N-Germany Scenario this wouldnt happen due to both propaganda efforts and a different pop.-oppinion. You perfecfly summarized my thought of this hypothetical sceanrio with the only additions being Germanies proven Anti-Guerilla Tactics and the technological advantaged actively ignored in the video
Simple History, I did see Deadliest Warriors on TV by seeing the Waffen-SS vs Vietcong. 🧐.
@ We don't care
the waffen ss info in this vid is based on the 1930s. in the war, the waffen ss dropped MANY of the requirements and training
So... The VC would only win if fighting on the jungle.
I liked this video an the idea for the series. Any chance we will see these armies again vs different opponents?
I'm waiting to see more of this series.
I loved Deadliest Warrior on TV. The little deathmatch the two sides would have was amazing.
I'm glad someone is FINALLY asking the right questions on this channel!
Thank you for teaching me
You forgot a lot like the Stg44, the G43 and new technology, the skill to adapt on situation. So I would say rethink it and take a look on both.
I remember when this simulation actually happened in the deadliest warriors series.
It continues to fascinate me that in the Vietnam War the Americans spent the entire budget on the best technologies and weapons and still lost due to Viet Cong traps made with sticks.
Well the thing is the US wasn’t having a hard time killing the enemy they were having a hard time making sure more didn’t come back, they just kept swinging at the head of the hydra weren’t able to stab the heart. All that while the VC were able to hide in residential areas and jungles while slowly whittle down US forces and stall for time.
Because not allowed to do their job
skill issue, just like how China struggled with for like 2000 fucking years lmao
over a mil vietcong died, and like 50k american guys died. the sticks didnt do too well
@@Weed_Soldier967 the us wasnt the only ones fighting the vietnamese. Also a third of that 1 mil figure is civilians
This video is amazing !
Actually, I think that when it came to hand to hand fighting, both sides would be more or less evenly matched. Someone who is faster and more agile (Vietcong) is still capable of defeating a bigger and stronger opponent.
Also stick with tipped mud will be a death sentence which is everywhere in vn so i agree
What’s really interesting is how the Viet people reacted to antique Song China invading
They put up many revolts just like what they did to America and France
Note: the Soviets also gave the VC German WWII weapons from the stockpile they got from dead or surrendered Germans. The Americans were surprised when they found them
It would all depend on where the war was being waged if its Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos i would say the VC because an insurrgency works its in home territory. However if its in north africa or europe the VC just would have ahrd time entrenching themselves within a local populace. VC worked through blending in to the local population kind of hard if the population doesnt speak the same language or have similar goals or culture.
2 of the most badass military forces in history! Your bravery and sacrifices to your nations will never be forgotten!
You do know that the SS were running concentration camps, right?
This was my favorite Deadliest Warrior episode back in the day
*This Would be Alternative History.*
Now that is what I would like to hear if you are saying alternate history.😊
@@seanchow806 Oh Yeah ? :-D
1: This pre supposes that Germany won WW2 and goes on to fight Vietnam. As such, the SS would not be equipped with MP-40s and KAR98s. They’d all be issued sturmgewehrs standard. There’d be a designated sniper who would have a KAR98 as well as an MG team, but the STG would be standard issue.
2: the Spike TV show Deadliest Warrior already covered this topic/matchup and concluded an SS victory.
modern or not still a L
If the VC faces the SS in open battle they will be destroyed with ease. The only chance they would have is if the Germans followed them into the jungle. That would even the playing field, otherwise Waffen SS would win quite easily.
A history channel throwback
If adequately supplied, The Lighting Lads° would have burned through the VC in two or three years.
adequately supplied with infinite men, ammunition, food, water, etc? sure.
@@TiocfaidhArLa34 I'm just talking 1940 levels as opposed to 1945.
@@SandrasSpicySpanishSalami you would need an unlimited supply of cannon fodder to hold vietnam. the french could not do it and neither could the americans. what makes you think the germans have a chance?
@@TiocfaidhArLa34americans had only 50.000 deaths and vietcong had 2million. 20 vietnamese for every kia american. "Why" would germans have a chance? Because ww2 era germans fought unhumane like genghis khan. They would do things the american and french wouldnt do.
Anyone else here remember the Deadliest Warrior episode about this very matchup?
@Simplehistory This actually happened (sort of) You should check out "The Devil's Guard" by George R. Elford. The book details how some Former SS soldiers ended up in the French Foreign Legion to fight the Vietcong for the French using the techniques they learned fighting the Russian gorillas during WW2 and is supposedly from the direct dictation of one of these men. While some claims that the book makes are debated, there are a lot of others that have solid, historical evidence and documentation to support them. (Also it's just an interesting read)
"A people who have courageously opposed French domination for more than eighty years, a people who have fought side by side with the Allies against the Fascists during these last years, such a people must be free and independent." - Hô Chí Minh 🇻🇳
Then the Vietnamese communists killed one million of their own people after the Vietnam War ended. LOL.
Thank You from Việt Nam
This is awesome! I can’t wait to see other deadliest warrior specials. Here are some suggestion, some of which are based on the Spike series:
- Celt vs Persian Immortal
- Dahomey amazon vs Oiorpata (or Scythian amazon)
- Cartel vs Yakuza
- Conquistador vs Pirate
- Janissary vs French Musketeer
Some of them were made, like the Celt vs. Persian Immortal episode. Mafia vs. Yakuza, too.
@@rtxranger7482 I know which is why stated: “some of which are based on the deadliest warrior series from Spike”. And in case you don’t know, they already did a match up between Waffen SS vs Viet Kong. More importantly what do you think of my other suggestions?
@@jackbelinski2661 I think its awesome. Need more videos like this.
vietcong side has terrain and nature advantage because most german tank is to heavy to move in Vietnam and the panzer 3 , panzer 4 , stug 3 and 38 (t) is the only choice also most vietcong are using auto gun , semi-auto gun so the win rate is increase for the vietcong side , but the catch is german is having firepower advantage due to their mg-42 and a massive army size
Since the mp gun exist , there no chance for vietcong doing close quarter combat
I didn't watched the whole video
How are you gonna forget the STG 44 for the Germans
I remember seeing this on TV. Forgot what the show was called but I remember seeing it played out. Good video
Deadliest Warrior
@this isn't the way to get followers. especially with that username. make shorts and make your account unique and not begging. idek why I'm helping you but seriously reevaluate your life if this is what you're serious about you should do even the most tiny amount of research. or use common sense.
@@adamloveland3198 That’s the one! Thank you for reminding me!
@@danielnavarro537 Your welcome^^
@simplehistory doesnt even use a camera lol
I would like more of these types of hypothetical matchups
I'm a Vietnamese man and we have a thing that nobody have:
Never surrounded, fight for our country untill the last blood in our vain🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳
Did you know, some of those Vietcong are Japanese soldiers were decided to lived and train the Northern Vietnamese armies.
Wow this sent me back to middle school when the show Deadliest Warrior did an episode on the exact same thing lol RIP SpikeTV
“Why don’t you Dodge this battle like you did in Vietnam? Cause you got so much chance as beating me as LeBron. I’m a flying machine like the world’s ever seen. You can fight one man, I can drive through a whole team!” Michael Jordan
There were multiple Variants of the Panzerfaust, but i believe the 60m vairant was the most common, as portrayed by video games, sometimes you get the ocassional 30m version (Probably meant for Wolksarmee or something.)
Also, because of the fact you forgot to mention the STG-44 and G-43 wich would have the priority of being issued to the SS (Because they are the elite) technically the Vietnameese would be better because of their Assault Rifles.
Maybe you guys don't know, some fews SS or Germany Soldier who served in The Legion, they saw the non sense of the invader so they joined in Viet Minh (the first name of Viet Cong)
In real life, SS fought with Vietcong in First Indochina War (In that war, Vietcong has other name was Vietminh) in Dien Bien Phu, and SS fought under French Legion
It depends what the engagement field is as they were adapted to two very different methods of warfare. On a field of battle the Waffen will stomp, while in the jungle asymmetric warfare the VC are going to inflict a lot of casualties before the Waffen adapt.
One thing I think will give the Waffen the long term edge that the Chinese, Americans and French were mever willing to do, was extermination. The VC relied heavily on popular support among the networks of villages and towns, for supplies and recruits and hiding. The Waffen would have NO qualms about systematically moving through section after section, wiping out everyone and everything. They'll burn down the whole jungle and genocide everyone.
Exactly the same what i tought. The SS is no "gentlemen´s army" with the claim to be the good guys like the americans, they would just go full berserk and try to exterminate the enemy and leave nothing but burned land behind them to cut the supply of the Vietcong.
Definitely should do a “Deadliest Warrior” series on this
Though if you are already doing that keep it up!