How Once Upon a Time in Hollywood Changed
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Once Upon a Time in Hollywood: Who is Cliff Booth anyway?
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is a celebrated installment in writer/director Quentin Tarintino's ouvre. So when he came out with a book adaptaion of the story, we were first in line to read it. But was the book markedly different from the film, and do those differences mean something big? We think so and we'll explain in this Book vs. Film on Once Upon a Time in Hollywood - The New Ending.
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00:00 - Intro
01:56 - Similarities
02:50 - Cliff's a Jerk
08:30 - The Mansons are Creepy!
11:28 - The Book's New Ending
Written by Raymond Creamer
Hosted by Michael Burns
Directed by Michael Luxemburg
Motion Graphics & Section TItles by Riley A
Edited by Andrew Nishimura
Produced by Evan Yee
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Movie and book Cliff aren’t all that different, just how much we see of him is. In the movie about the only thing you learn about his motives and character is that he is completely at peace with the changing world. He knows he can’t get work so he drives around while he waits to pick up his friend, seeing movies, seeing girls and listening to music. Not only does the book show these hobbies more, these attitudes translate to the terrible things he’s done. When he killed his wife he immensely regretted it but decided he wasn’t going to jail, the past is in the past and makes his peace with it. He got attached to Brandy and decided to never fight her again so he killed the man who made Brandy fight in the first place, showing he does have character developments and arcs but he hasn’t always done the right thing. He’ll do a bad thing or kill people like the mobsters and Mansons when he feels backed into a corner but he doesn’t actively kill for sport, he just makes peace with what he has done and tries to avoid having to murder again.
He’s a morally grey character as much as Tarantino’s are, no where near being a good person but he’s not sadistic either, he’s not killing people on the daily, he would much rather spend his day doing what we see on screen, hanging out with Rick and relaxing without worries of his career. The movie probably depicts how he sees himself, not letting the bad things he does define him, so that when we read the book after we get a bigger picture of the mysterious man.
Very eloquently stated, totally agreed!
Wow dude. You’ve perfectly put into words what is so good about this character. I hear so many people say they like because “he’s cool”, but I feel there’s a deeper philosophy behind it and you truly hit the nail on the head
Well said for sure! I also low key felt his rants on movies and culture in general is straight Tarantino POV
EEEEEXACTLY! And that’s one big reason I don’t like this analysis video very much. I swear to god some of the people that work on these just love to sound smart.
Both the book and movie left me with the fantasy that CHINATOWN (directed by Roman Polanski) did not star Jack Nicholson, but Sharon Tate's new friend, Rick Dalton.
And ends with him succeeding and solving the case, getting the girl, and being a forgotten film. Its a genuinely interesting thought experiment.
@@bretdaniels6782 If that new ending means THE TWO JAKES will never be made, then it's a positive...lol
In the book, a friend had Brandy first and Cliff had no care for the dog. As time went on and she did her fights, he got attached to her. One scene in the book, Brandy is hurt bad and won't stand a chance against in the upcoming fight. Cliff doesn't want to go through with it, saying they'll lose money. His friend suggests they bet on the dog opposing Brandy. Cliff rejects that notion and he ends up fighting the other guy, and snaps his neck. He dumps the body and takes Brandy in, ceasing any dog fighting.
Cliff isn't a complete maniac. Every bit of violence from him feels justified with the exception of him murdering his wife and the "challenge" to Bruce Lee. You also have to remember that majority of the generation Cliff helms from is vastly different in terms of ideals, especially about animals. Cliff taking a liking to Brandy was important character progression.
He fights her twice more after he kills Buster. Page 73 " and since that time Cliff's only fought Brandy twice" which really kind of undercuts the murder.
I remember reading something about a 4-hour cut. I really hope we see it.
Tarantino pretty much said no to that on JRE.
@@Bacbi he didn’t say no he just said it wouldn’t be 4 hour. He did mention the possibility of an extended cut tho
The book and film are terrible.
@@silveriver9 dude, post it once and move the fuck on
@@silveriver9 How did this movie hurt you? 😂
Everybody forgets the Manson Family already committed murders before August 9th.
I would like to see the novelization of"Inglorious Bastards."
I know this'll feel petty but I swear it matters. The title is "Inglourious Basterds". There's been no definitive answer why, but there's a scene where you see the words carved into Aldo Raine's gun like that because he couldn't spell. There's also the idea that Tarantino was trying to have a distinct name from another movie called "Inglorious Bastards", but I like the idea that it's just because Raine wouldn't know how to spell the title.
(disclaimer: this is a jokeful dramatization)
With the way Brad Pitt's character from Once Upon... became darker in the book, it could very well be that the Basterds, already quite ruthless and kinda war-criminal-y to non-American eyes, become just indiscriminate killers of any Germans. Hans Landa might be a somewhat innocent person, legitimately trying to get out of the Nazi system, and still getting killed for his association with the regime.
@@GlacialScion I think it’s also likely that it is spelt like that to represent how the French would pronounce “inglorious bastards.” With their accent, they would make the “glo” part of “inglorious” sound like “gl - ou”. Same goes with “bastard” being pronounced “bast-erd.” The spelling also matches how they spell words with similar pronunciation. Makes sense since they’re stationed in France.
Death Punch
Rum Proof?
The book and film are terrible.
I like how they made a keeps ad right after the men’s wellness thing
I guess you need that sweet sweet ad money to make videos about ad bad.
They used the stones to destroy the stones
They've had keeps on budget since for what seems like years tho
Irony is everywhere.
Yes!
I imagine they're currently locked into some kind of contract requiring them to run the ads (though someone who knows about this stuff feel free to correct me). So it's weird because:
1. Yes, double standards
but
2. Biting the hand that feeds is a bit of bold move
Or was the previous video just virtue signalling? Idk, someone tell me how I feel about this.
Let's get META!!
Let's assume that the book and movie are 2 perspectives on the same narrative. The book gave us a dark psychopath while the movie gave us a total bro.
It sounds like when we hear about the crimes of celebrities, but overlook them because they look so devilishly handsome, have talent, and MAKE THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY MONEY.
Assuming that Tarrantino made the book first, when he pitched the movie, a bunch of producers would've looked at Cliff and said, "that's off brand for Brad Pitt, make him more likeable."
What if book Cliff is the true Cliff and movie Cliff is a sanitized version for the audiences?
What if book and movie Cliff are the same Cliff, and movie Cliff is just what Hollywood would choose to show us?
Is movie Cliff still worth knowing?
Tarantino intended it to be a book first, but quickly gave up and made the movie instead, then finished the book afterward. The movie came out two years ago, while the book was released a little over a month a ago. Obviously if he had finished it earlier, it would've come out earlier.
The book and film are terrible.
I doubt a "bunch of producers" would be able to tell Tarantino anything nowadays. But I think it's possible that Tarantino made these two versions of Cliff intentionally for the reasons you describe.
I'm pretty sure he did it intentionally. This shit is genius. He showed us a certain perspective in the movie and then he showed us another perspective of the same narrative in the book. It's weird that Wisecrack considers the characters two different characters when obviously they are the same...just two different perspectives.
I thought the movie was alright but now that I see Tarantino's full vision the guy made a motherfucking masterpiece!
@@silveriver9 if you didn't like the movie, why did you read the book?
Brad Pitt's performance honestly left me in awe after I watched the movie
I was one of those few people who didn’t know about the Manson story until after watching the movie and yes those creepy scenes where nothing creepy happend confused me so much
I dont like book Cliff but I agree with his characterization. Especially in contrast to the movie. It's a not unlike real life situations where you think you know someone, and sure they have a couple weird traits, but overall they seem cool. Then you find out what they get up to when youre not around and all the dirty secrets theyve been hiding and your brain cant reconsile them being the same person you thought you knew.
To me it seems like reaction to the book version of the character says more about the people who dislike it than it does the character. The movie never says he didn't murder his wife, but all these people let their guard down around him because he was pretty, affable, and oh look! He was nice to a dog, he can't be bad right?
That said, the book still clearly wants you to empathize with the version of the character they know is completely psychotic and abusive, it even goes out of it's way to give the happy ending all the details the movie didn't show while minimizing the brutality of the films climax, so maybe the person it really says the most about is Tarantino.
The book and film are terrible.
@@silveriver9 Why lol
I feel like the people that complained about Tarantino ruining Cliff Booth are just in denial that they fell in love with an asshole 😂
Nah, some of the details like the dog fighting seemed really out of character
I think you shouldn’t treat the book and movie as one
I wouldn't be surprised if the original script had Cliff being the same asshole that we get in the book but after offering the role to Pitt he just took it on himself to tweak the character to something that fits the script but showed more depth than a violent jerk who is luckily enough to always avoid jail while committing crimes in plain sight. I liked the characterization of the movies because Cliff we get in the movie is the closest thing to a post-western cowboy that you could ever find and it fits the theme of the movie perfectly
@@JohnathanJWells Cliff literally trained his dog to attack people on command. His dog fighting is *not* out of character.
@@kialburg Absolutely not.
Having a guard dog and a dog fighting mutt are not the same thing.
I think something that I respect about the book's portrayal of Cliff is that it doesn't give a shit if you like him or not. It's not trying to entertain you or get you to admire him. In that sense its a bit more akin to character's from Brett Easton Ellis or Chuck Palahniuk writings, who you're not supposed to like. It's more grounded and akin to real life people. warts and all. It comes around to the question of whether art is supposed to be enjoyable, disturbing, etc. Personally, I think art shouldn't coddle us with making every character have likable or admirable qualities.
Tbh, I got a suspicious sense of Cliff from the movie. So, these elaborations in the novel aren't surprising. His scene in his trailer with his dog didn't appear *cute* to me. It looked like Cliff was a control freak, who dominated his dog's life, since Rick couldn't control his own life. And, I mean, really. He trained his dog to attack people on command. It can't be a surprise that dog was using in dog-fighting rings.
Far fetched. With a person controlling his pet you mean well trained pet/ good BOSS?
And he killed his wife. And then three more people by the end of it, without remorse or apprehension
The book and film are terrible.
@@KirbyCrossing with the extreme violence shown from Cliff murdering the mansons at the end in mind, he seemed to sorta enjoy it but like a terrifyingly real life psychopath, doesnt show the enjoyment thats underneath the surface
Loved the movie, loved the book. I didn’t feel like the book undercut or ruined anything. Cliff is a psycho that just happens to be extremely charming and zen at that point in his life. I don’t understand how people who saw that scene on the boat could think Tarantino wasn’t hinting that he absolutely killed his wife. And the fact Brandi was so well trained and so quick to be violent, it makes perfect sense she was a fighting dog. Maybe Cliff was past his craziest days, but there are so many hints he’s violent and crazy. And yet still so cool. Tarantino has a ton of morally grey characters, and he made us all love a psychopath and I ate that shit up.
Eagerly excited for Tarantino's next project.
next is his last movie but he has stated that he would make Kill Bill 3 and count Killbill as 1 whole movie
@@XLostGamer I'll believe we've seen our last Tarantino film after he passes away. I remember when Kevin Smith wasn't going to make any more movies too because he said everything or whatever.
Tarantino loves movies too much to walk away I think. My guess is he'll walk away and then some story is going to pop up in his brain and give him that itch to write, and then, well, we know the best person to make his writing come alive is him, so he probably ought to direct it to.
@@ianjohn2648 he has stated many times he'll continue writing, so we'll prob see a bunch of plays and novels from him, just not movies.
The book and film are terrible.
@@ianjohn2648 Exactly whenever I hear any artist "retiring" I take it with a grain of salt. As someone who makes art I realized a while ago that it's something most people never really "quit". Especially if you've reached the amount of commercial success Tarantino has.
It's seems to me that novel isn't adaptation but, rather that the movie is actually an adaptation of the novel, in a meta sort of way. Most page to screen adaptations sand down the edges of both the characters and events from the books they come from. Case in point, James Bond in the books is way more of stone cold killer and bastard than he is in the movies.
Cliff literally killed a guy because he was willing to risk brandy’s life in a dog fight
Maybe, in writing a much nastier Cliff in the book, Tarantino's playing a game with the way that Hollywood sanitises the stories it gets from books. Make the character likeable: that's part of how you do Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
(One of the very early '50s issues of Mad Magazine had a great riff on this).
The Disney version of Mowgli is essentially a character in his own right, and a very different one from his literary counterpart, the original Kipling version.
I'd love to see you guys present your perspective on "The Green Knight" in an upcoming video. That film is heavily laden with philosophies.
maybe we built cliff up in the movie just like we do Lee. But real life isn’t a movie for most, and u only see what the visionary wants u to see
No shit. This seems so obvious I have no idea why wisecrack is promoting the idea that book Cliff and movie Cliff are actually two different people.
I like how they blurred out the word “fucking” from the book quotation and then it just un-censors for a hot minute before the next transition 😂
The book is really great, despite being 400 pages I got through it in only two days
Waiting for the comments about a bald man promoting hair loss prevention
Who needs Keeps? Just hide your bald head with a cap.
I hope you don't get de-monetized for that momentary un-blurred f-bomb
Wow! What a great vid! The person who wrote this is probably really cool!
Yes I read the book. Yes, the books depiction of Cliff is deranged. Yes, I loved every second of it.
Okay not sure where to post this, but I just found a super awesome link between Startup on Netflix and the book Dune! About some character archetypes of characters, they're really similar. Might be worth making a video of
Dude you have to do The Warriors next. The differences between the book and the movie are so fascinating
These videos make me feel smart even though i don't understand a word they're saying
I want to see the deleted scenes put back into the movie, please!
"Getting busy bedding a bevy of Italian beauties" say that 5 times fast
Tarantino should write a follow- up novel, and then adapt his own novel to the silver screen .
My problem with the movie was that you need to be pretty familiar with the subject matter to enjoy it. Since I didn't know any of the real life people portrayed in this (except for Bruce Lee, I suppose), a lot of the movie fell completely flat for me. It just felt like an extremely self-indulgent movie from Tarantino, only of interest to people who still glorify Hollywood (and the "good old days"). A book could add more background to fill in the audience, but it doesn't sound like he did that. The writing doesn't sound great, and I feel no desire to revisit this story.
I disagree with you on that book cliff was a jerk. I've read the book and seen the movie. Cliff is just a killer, and sometimes we need those, like the time that he went and fought in WWII. Plus, your narrative is unfair. I'm at 6:23 and you mentioned that in the movie he doesn't have sex with Pussycat because she's underage (which, btw, doesn't stop many men of the era to have sex with her) and immediately say but he has sex with many women in the book! So what? He has sex with consenting adult women. How does that make him a jerk? You mention that he makes Brandy, a fighting dog, fight all over LA for money. True, but then you don't mention that he only did it when he was sure Brandy would win, and the only time that he knew Brandy couldn't make it, he killed the friend who insisted that Brandy should do the fight and promised Brandy never have her fight again, even though there was good money in it for Cliff. You portray book Cliff as horny and violent, but forget to mention how he has a unique taste in films and goes all over town to see foreign films. I mean, be fair because omitting parts to prove a point isn't really classy.
Yeah the insight into Cliff provided by the wisecrack author simply doesn't hold water for anyone who has actually read the book.
Long before the Investigation Discovery (ID) ran 24/7/365 true crime docs and forensic shows. I was a huge fan of the genre. Back then I was apprehensive about even telling friends/associates that I was a mini true crime afficindo. So obviously Helter Skelter was probably within the 1st five TC books I read. And it completely blew me away.
Naturally when I read the announcement that a film was going to be made my head exploded. Since my 1st reading wayyyyyy back in 2002-2003. Ironically I NEVER completed ANY book cover to cover before. At this point I've re-read HS 5-6 times. Over the years the true crime genre has become big business. So I couldn't understand jow in the hell Quentin Tarantino would be able to kill off the 2 leads in the movie ESPECIALLY when the leads have last names like Pitt and DiCaprio.
But of course Tarantino knocked it out of the park as per usual. So instead of retelling the most horrifying tragedy in Hollywood History he instead gives the audience a really big "what if" senerio.
It may sound corny but I st could have never thought to go that direction with such a well known story. Blew me away. Its the ending Sharon Tate, her friends and the LaBianca couple deserved.
My only complaint are I really wished Sharon Tate had more dialogue. I wish we had most insight into who the REAL Sharon Tate was. She lived almost 30yrs before she became known more for the way she died. I want to know more about how this exquisite young woman ♀️♀️ LIVED. RIP Sharon.
Can you please do a book vs film episode on "the dark fields" vs "limitless" (yup the Bradley Cooper classic)?
I liked the book, but it does feel like 30 percent of the book is just references to songs and naming actors names, just find that funny
Heard that a large chunk of it is just references to actors, movies, shows and music of the time. It has also been pointed out in more than one review I came across that pretty much all Cliff's views when it comes to movies are the same ad Tarantino's.
I wish we could’ve learned more about Rick. After a while I was tired of finding out more stuff about Cliff. I was so excited for the book to come out but ultimately, I didn’t especially like it.
Anyone know the song playing in the background at the beginning of the vid?
I loved that subtle factor!
It's Ted Bundy syndrome. Some people just couldn't believe a handsome, friendly guy like Cliff is capable of such despicable acts
Great video, but uhm... Isn't this sponsor clashing with the message from yesterday's video? 😅
Got it. If I ever think something has been moved without me doing it, that means theres a cult out to get me...Thanks for the heads up.
"Rick! You're standing in a puddle of water, just lie down!"
For a second I really thought there was a book before the movie
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"Cliff's infamous victory over Bruce Lee"? Did we watch the same movie? The fight ended in a tie! Both men got up unscathed
The book and film are terrible.
@@silveriver9 ok
Good book. Some of the Trudy dialogue was a bit creepy.
Noti gang
Would you consider making another video on evangelion, but with the reboots?
Yeah, he definitely should've stuck to the script.
And then there's me that wants to have no hair on my head
normally I give people the benefit of the doubt but to me even movie cliff seemed like a psychopath yeah he was witty and charming but only to the extent one needs to be so that no catches on to what you are really up to
There's a book?
Honestly, I liked film Cliff more than I do book Cliff precisely just because of the dog fighting. Everything else that is mentioned I think add to his character. I'd hoped a book version of a film story would add to the all of the main characters' arcs but I like how it was handled for the most part. 100% would watch a movie about Cliff going ape on mafiosos too.
Dog flights are some of the crulest and unhuman things you can possible do.
killing you wife? Understandable but not toleratable.
Forcing your best friend, a good doggy to participate in death matches on the other Hand is barbaric.
"Kicking the dog" is literary a cheap way to point somebody out as the Villain. The Cliff that I know loves his Dog and would never treat hin badly
So the murder of his wife not really picking up on that moral compass of yours? Oh but the dog does. Very cool, definitely not psychotic.
@@1Seanmb You're right. Consider me reformed. Kill everything is the way to go.
The book and film are terrible.
Where is the one comment? Oh can you do Night in Paradise? It's on Netflix and it is Korean. Oh and Yeonmi Park is a boss watch her story it is unrelated
I wonder how you figured that in the book he haven't felt any remorse for killing his wife.
Do Vinland Saga next pls :)
Love the movie, great video :)
Can we convince them to mack a video about ghost of tsushima
Whatever the difference are, both are entertaining
What the heck is a preconsultation, they consult you before they consult you?
Few videos ago y'all talked about men's insecurities and then sell exactly that through the ad. Tragic.
I really wish we got a book of hateful eight
They made a book out of that?
I just started the novel am on chapter 2
Just finished the book and i liked Cliffs character.
you know, you don't have to thank your sponsor. you don't thank the devil for taking your soul lol
Jennifer Jason Leigh does the audiobook does a great job
Her version of jim jones at botnay bay was goose bump inducing
You changed the title of this video?
You should take a look into the Spanish TV Series El fin de la comedia (The end of commedy).
It won't dissapoint you, even if you don't know every single Spanish commedian there.
Hah! That’s right, it’s a show in Spanish that I’m finally going to see!
Keeps gave me heart palpitations
Seems Wisecrack is making the assumption that the book was written before the movie. In reality the book was written (and/or edited) after the movie. Tarantino is answering his critics. He went on a very long podcast campaign.
For example, GOT fans how will you react to the 2 final books of "A Song of Ice and Fire"? Like it or not Martin is filling in detail from the last GOT season and answering some of the criticism.
How did you get that idea? They mention first thing that the book is a novelization of the movie.
4:16 Was it really necessary to mirror that image?
5:00 In the case of his war service, it wasn't "murder." People nowadays are always throwing around the word "murder" willy-nilly. If they're enemy combatants, it's not murder. If it's self D-FENS, it's not murder. If they're Mansonites, it's not murder.
5:43 "Asceticism" might not be the right word since it's shown that Cliff definitely knows how to party.
8:08 Skating the edge between Eros and Thanatos.
4:06 -
Gee... I wonder what that bad word could be...
I had no fucking idea it was a book!
You guys should do a video on Made in Abyss (season 1 and the movie), mainly around what makes Bondrewd so good
Got the audio version of the book and it was good. Yea Cliff was more of a bad ass. But he also saved the dogs life.
Amazing result since so few people actually saw the movie…
I’ll be honest, I stopped reading the book after chapter four. I couldn’t stand what Tarantino did to Cliff in the book to make him in all manner of thinking a monster. Dog fighting is just so morally reprehensible and then you throw in a three time murderer, wannabe pimp, sexual deviant, and all around bad guy. It pisses on the film in my opinion and I wish I’d never read it to leave the film in its proper positive light.
The book and film are terrible.
What did Michael mean when he said Bengali like hold on?
Please explain to us why Karen's are a thing now. And why people become too sensitive about the stereotypes/racial discrimination, etc.
Are you wearing a Cubs hat ?🧢 If yes, that's awesome
Whatever happened to the Thug Notes guy?
Early gang!
Leonardo Dicaprio fcking kills Charles Manson, is this the new ending?
I don’t think I’ll be reading the book cuz I rather have this movie and it’s peoples as I know them
60s was very kool.
huh...the book works for me
Poontang!
In their last video they criticized the men's wellness industry then in their very next video they do an ad for a men's wellness brand.
I think the book is an interesting read because Tarantino is clearly doing the opposite of what he did in the film regarding Cliff. In one interpretation, he killed his wife on purpose and is a killing asshole. In the other, he’s a fine man who made a really bad mistake, but was somehow presented with a second life, which allows him to relax and value day to day life more. Obviously the film is so much better, but the book is really interesting if you’re a fan of the film.
Man, Di Darjeeling limited.
So in the book Rick Dalton is pretty much clint eastwood
Y'all love your anti-hero till he starts being anti-hero'ish...
I am not certain how it was missed by the scriptwriters and presenter of this presentation, but Brd Pitt always played as a psychopath ready to snap at anyone, as he did at the end of the film. Maybe the book putting subtle acting obvious to some, but missed to youngsters reading those silly american comics and their film adaptations is too subtle these days ;)
Ok boomer
The book and film are terrible.
@@silveriver9 This is the 2nd comment I've seen of you.
Cope harder dude.
@@naochan133 Ok zoomer.
Exactly
His killing fascist Italians during WW2 & gloating about it isn't a big deal to me
I was thinking the book was going to be filled with photos of Margot Robbie's feet. (She does have nice feet, BTW.)
I actually prefer the book. But only because I’ve seen the movie