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- It's 1987, and making your own blockbuster movies has never been easier! Sue Robbie demonstrates how - with a minimum of fuss - you can set up a home video editing system to turn your home videos into a cinematic tour de force.
All you need are two video recorders, two tapes, a camcorder, a monitor or television, a cassette recorder, an audio control box and mixing desk, a selection of BBC sound effect LPs*, several cables, and some quick fingers.
It couldn't be simpler.
This clip is from Video Active, originally broadcast 19 April, 1987.
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3:23 Don't look at me like that, Sue, you naughty girl.
That gave me the chills, too... In a good way.
Sue was hot stuff alright.
As an 80's teenager I remember watching Sue Robbie. She's now 73!!
She did Connections I remember
She's gorgeous or rather was ☹ Time doesn't stand still unfortunately
The lovely Sue Robbie, I had forgotten about her until now!
Very lovely indeed😈
What an era to grow up in, our first home vhs was an amazing time
Quite. I remember the excitement of getting our first VCR in 1983. (With wired remote control!)
This was great! Fun to look back in time and see what it was like
* proceeds to make an animation on how the cassette tape works *
Stared wedding video production in early 1984 using 2 video sources to mix. Top end wedding production used Umatic tape, lesser mortals like myself used VHS with a significant loss in quality in the first generation edited copy and almost unusable 2nd gen copy. In 1989-90 SVHS became to go to source with much improved first generation copies. Beta was also used as source to ensure a useable first tapes. Not forgetting early Amiga computer for graphics and titles- Happy days.
I love how everything was so difficult to do back in the 80s, and when it was achievable, it was ridiculously expensive
Yep and I love how the best movies of the era effortlessly beat the best movies of today. With all the tech we have now we turn out trash.
Difficult? You're kidding right?
It was was simpler than all the complexity we have nowadays - I started as a software developer in 1989 and the complexity of software the internet, frameworks and libraries nowadays makes writing software so much more difficult.
@@Slarti Easier for a user. It is much simpler now.
@@southlondon86 There was a lot of trash movies in the 80’s!
@@johnmc3862 And there’s a lot of trash today. Read what I wrote sir: the best of the 80s beats the best of today.
What a diamond of a channel this is! SO interesting!
Sue Robbie 😻 I must confess I had a massive crush on her when I was 11 or 12! 😄 She wasn’t just gorgeous tho, she was really friendly and intelligent...and a great professional. Qualities we don’t see in today’s presenters.
I'm a zoomer who's only just seen her, but man I can totally see why someone would have a crush on her
She would be in trouble if you tried date her
Yep Sue Robbie was hot!!
Her seductive voice is making my scalp tingle. Haven't had that sensation in years.
1980's women were the best - worldly wise and sexually confident.
I still edit this way just for fun and astherics. I have 2 vcrs with Simple editing options. And to TV/monitors. Getting clean edits with frame precision Is a valuable SKILL.
The original Premiere Pro, Another great video, didn’t know about the sound affect records you could get.
Not quite - this fine demo here is an example of linear editing; whereas Premiere Pro is a non-linear editor.
Effect.
AVID came about just a little while later.. I've found an early demo on it being used on a Mac II with 2 displays being used..
Nah. Windows movie maker is better
You couldn't just use any VCR for editing. You had to make sure your VCR had a "flying erase head" for clean edits. They tended to be a whole lot more expensive.
Blacking out the edit-tape beforehand helps a lot.
It is simple but considering that this was the 80s, it was perhaps an expensive hobby. Those who owned even just 1 VCR player were probably lucky.
They weren't that expensive. Betamax was. VHS became so popular the prices came down quite a bit.
everybody owned these machines!
You use the camera as original, edit with the recorder, you are never alone, everybody was owning these machines!
you'd pop around your mate's house, connect the scarts and away you go! my fergusn 3v43 had embedded hi-fi sound and you could dub separately the linear stereo tracks. effectively giving you 1 stereo pair and 2 mono channels for sound. you could drop-in using video insert too. happy days.
rented TV, rented VCR. That was me for years. Then suddenly the prices dropped, thankfully.
Oh my word Sue Robbie! Absolutely stunning! Whatever happened to her!
She got old.
Wow, she was super cute!! Must be at least 55-60 now though! VHS editing what a dog of a job that was! I worked for a video production company in the late 70's and got to play on Sony Umatic editing suites, that was fantastic kit back then. It was all soooo bl00dy heavy though, a master recorder player was a 2 man lift, just! Can all be done on a laptop now, in 4K, makes umatic look cr4p!
In her 70s now.
@@80ssynthfan48 Typing this on Tuesday 02/07/2024. Sue Robbie will celebrate her 75th birthday on Friday.
The most important thing to remember about using VHS for editing is: Don't. VHS always was complete garbage and suited much better to time shifting Coronation Street. SVHS was a useful improvement but still had exactly same shockingly poor colour resolution as normal VHS. For real editing you needed a proper editing format, High Band U-matic would be a useful start but BetacamSP if you could afford it. Even domestic Betamax (preferably Beta hi-fi) would be better than VHS.
or use your 4k phone and app :)
As an ex BBC cameraman I doubt very much any mortal unless incredibly rich could afford to edit using beta SP back in the day.
A Betacam SP machine back in the day cost in excess of £20k, not really in the budget for hobby video makers.
It depends on the television system. Dubbing NTSC onto VHS gets much better results than using PAL.
I attended an American school in Britain, and we used both television systems a lot: almost all the school's TVs and VCRs were multisystem machines. Sometimes there was a need or desire to copy a tape. (All copying was within one system or the other: there was no transferring between systems.) If it was an NTSC tape being copied, the result was decent. If it was a PAL tape being copied-say, a documentary taped from a British television transmission-, the copy looked quite bad: there were horizontal lines of erroneous color, the picture was dim, there was plenty of skewing at the top and bottom. If the PAL source tape was in LP speed, the color in the dub, even if it was in SP speed, was so bad that you ended up turning the color off on the TV to watch it . . . if the color from the tape didn't drop out on its own.
I would like to know why this difference exists, between the two TV systems as recorded on VHS.
@@mollyfilms But the better wedding videographers could, or they could cheap out and use Umatic.
I had that cassette player, it's mono :)
This is basically how me an my friends would edit our home movies in the early 90's. We didn't have access to one of those audio sync mixers, though. (I've never even seen one of those until watching this video.) What we did was after we had created our master edit with all of our visual takes in the right order, we would then overdub the entire production onto another tape while playing CD or cassette music overtop of it using a basic audio mixer. This worked fairly well, but he generation loss of the video was pretty bad. The final edited piece ended up being at least a 3rd generation recording of the original footage.
I remember doing this, and inserting titles with an Amiga and music from an amstrad music centre. It took up an entire dining room table, took hours, and compared to today it cost an absolute fortune. How many of those old VHS tapes we edited still exist today? Sometimes your mate would come round with his rented VCR and you'd do an all-nighter pirating three or four rented tapes 🤣
Wow this is great, I've always wondered how they made Whoppers II
The tape in the player is not called "Master", it´s called the "original" and the edited tape (finished program) is the "master"!
I'm really fancied sue robbie.
I gather that doing all of this with a BETAMAX setup would've cost a fair bit more, but, you'd get the nicer quality..
That was really fascinating. :)
I was born in 83 and the students in my film course born in the late 90s and early 00s wouldn't be bloody moaning about Premier Pro if they had to use this equipment to edit with.😂😂
Without a flying erase head you will get a rainbow fade effect, I hated that handicap back in the day as editing decks with flying erase head were bloody expensive.
Thanks! Really helpful and clear information. I'm going to refer to this a bit I think.
Ah yes, video editing - available to everyone now in the form of a mobile smart phone, and a lot simpler to accomplish in super quick time 👍
Not having a smart phone, I cannot believe that there is an app that would allow you to edit a movie on such a tiny screen. I use a desktop computer when I edit my videos and the screen is full up with a timeline, a preview window, video clips, audio clips, transitions and all the rest of it. How can you cram all of that onto a screen the size of a mobile phone? Don't get me wrong, I do know that such apps are available for phones, but I just cannot get my head around how you could do things like even trimming a clip.
@@CamcorderSteve iMovie, Splice Editor, CapCut to name a few... (I prefer desktop editing with Premiere Pro)
@@gallitron7803 Thanks Gallitron, had a quick look at Splice editor just to see how they can cram so much onto the screen - I think my eyes would be hurting after about 10 minutes trying to use that, but loads of people must use it I guess.
That's how technology works. Today's technology will be obsolete in time.
"Audio Dub" was very rare on most domestic VCRs sold.
I don't know why but I find people from back then way more attractive than nowadays!
She was fit,remember her doing that quiz show for Granada TV
I recently sold one of those JVC monitors!
Now this is a lady who knows how to pronounce the word 'Cassette Recorder'
(Cue analogue Sigh) 🏆🇬🇧
What other pronunciation are you lamenting?
She was so hot and natural.
Great memory rescue 👏👏👏👏👏
this is the way I did it back in the day. Wow.
Now I can do more on my iPhone and add effects in seconds instead of hours of editing to get the same results
She was 38 here. Even at the time I thought she was 10 years younger.
Я не один видео снимаю на касету.Это прекрасно! Спасибо!
Good, old days!
In 1987 there was no S-VHS (1988) or Hi8 (1989). A Video8 (mm) CCD Camcorder was practically the only way for Consumers to beat HQ-VHS, at least in theory, since the SONY EV-S 550 E (With a hole covered it also works with a Hi8 cassette) that I had for testing was worse (3 MHz Lines Contrast) than my Panasonic NV-HS900 EG in HQ-VHS mode. You can make a maximum of one cut copy (master) of the Video8 tape on home video (HQ-VHS or Betamax), but no further copies worth watching. I don't know how much it cost to rent a U-matic SP (60 minutes playing time, cheaper to rent, more expensive cassette) or Betacam (30 minutes playing time, more expensive to rent, cheaper Betamax cassette) recorder for one day in 1987 in order to make a low-loss master from 8mm tape. But then you would have had to make ALL copies of the master on the same day (including for yourself). In 1988, someone in Hamburg borrowed a Betacam camcorder and transferred everything onto a normal reversible cassette🤣before returning it.
I remember sue Robbie on ITV connections
I have still got some of the sound effect LP Amazing how so much more can be done on a PC with software that doesn't break the bank. Having said that the PC would probably make a big dent in my finances 😀
Thank God for DaVinci Resolve and modern technology!
Thanx for the info.😊
Fantastyczny sprzęt!
W 1987r za taki zestaw w Polsce trzeba było zapłacić tyle co za mały dom....
This is how I edit all my RUclips videos 😊
'if you buy more boxes - you can do all the things'
great! now what's the mailing address for RUclips so I can send my videos in?
This is so cool…I want to edit like this…
240 odd line resolution great!!
I have one of the 2nd VHS machines somewhere, a Ferguson-branded thing (also sold under JVC & Nordmende, plus a few others I think), doesn't work right though, the rubbery bits have failed and it seeminly needs everything desoldered to get to them in order to replace them, so, meh, 'tis but a VHS machine, far inferior to Betamax... :P
Damn site easier than using current editing software!
LoL wow! This was how I initially learned how to edit video. The only difference is I used DVC Pro and a editing controller with a jog. 😅
Whatever happened to the gorgeous Sue Robbie?
God, she was tidy.
Wonder how much of this was used for 'bedroom' movies ?
This is a charming old video from 1987. I had wanted to be able to edit my, raw video captures. And I had a pair of machines.. All back in, 1983. 4 years before this video.
What is being demonstrated here is what is referred to as, assemble editing. Which had to be done in this, assembly editing manner. But since I had also been employed. By an American TV network. While I was officially, an, Audio Engineer. At NBC-TV Network. I realized. I wanted to use. Other shots. To insert over top. Some of these assembled video shots. But with these basic consumer machines. Inserts, were not possible. Only assemble editing.
It was then. I went to my NBC-TV Network, video editing colleagues. To find out what I would need. To include, insert,, editing. Which, at that time. Was only available,, on, professional recorders. Costing between, $20,000 and $40,000, US. To get, drop in, insert editing capability.
So I went on a quest. Of investigating, all of the consumer, videocassette recorder manufacturers. Where I had a, RCA and JVC, tabletop VHS recorders. I found, that Hitachi. Offered a portable, VHS recorder, with matching TV tuner, secondary external unit. That offered, an, drop in insert, editing capability. Oh wow! And in addition to that. Since you would be insert editing. And may also require adding the matching soundtrack. It had a secondary audio feature. That also allowed,, insert adding, that soundtrack. But also without erasing,, the soundtrack from the video. You were inserting on over. Or not. Solely the audio from the,, insert overlay edit. Via a secondary switch. But no way to change the original background audio track's volume level. When you were adding the insert video track with audio. And oh well. Learning that early on. Then allowed me to,, boost the audio level. Of that track I was inserting. So as, not to be obscured. From the original video and audio track. I was inserting over. And that worked, amazingly well.
So now. I had near professional capabilities. Very similar. And nearly identical to. The way my professional colleague,, network TV, video editors were doing. Huzzah! At an absolutely,, unheard of,, affordable, bargain level! An, $850 investment. For me.. To do that. Instead of a $4000 or more, professional editing recorder.
Editing was a bit more awkward. Because unlike the professional systems my colleagues used. Where they could automate, precisely when. How much and how long. That insert video was to go. Making their edits precise. Via timecode. And within a single frame, accuracy. The reason why those machines cost what they did. That also required an external, editing controller outboard device..
But with a little practice. I was obtaining within, around, 2 and at the most, 2 second accuracy, insert edits. Many of my friends freaked out.. Because they had no idea that was possible? Nor did they know about that, insert editing technique. Done on the professional level which allowed me to, insert my, B roll footage. Making for a near full blown professional level looking edited event. It was fabulous! Which that technique insert editing. Became something easily done. After we moved from analog tape. Two digital video via our computers. A little more than 12 years later.
So being able to conveniently insert edit in that manner. Allowed one. To make it appear. That you had more than one video camera and recorder operating simultaneously. Whether you did or didn't. I made everything look like far more professional production capabilities and equipment used.
My specialty mostly was recording my friends rock bands and others. And so, after I acquired, 2 more video cameras. I now had 3 video cameras and three VHS recorders. Just like a TV station would have. But on location local bars/nightclubs//theaters. Where I could have, a left side camera. A center camera. A right side camera. 2 on tripods. With friends running those. My third as a handheld. With the portable recorder. So I had a wide berth. I could move around all over the stage, behind the stage, on the side of the stage. In the audience. To get shots of the patrons. Enjoying and grooving on, the show. All back in the early 80s.
And to take that 3 camera video shoot. To an even higher level. Of those performing rock bands. I was also able to obtain,, an audio only feed. From the PA mixer. To another tabletop VHS recorder. Where, plugged into that. I had obtained a Sony,, PCM-F 1, digital audio encoder. That would record a high quality, state-of-the-art, digital audio recording. Of the band. Recording it on a 4th video recorder. At the camera inputs. As it turned the audio. Into a digital signal. Which in turn was encoded as, a video signal. That looked like, moving barcodes on the TV screen. When played back and decoded. You got state-of-the-art,, 16-bit, 44.1 kHz, glorious, digital audio.
And so with some painstaking tricks in the end. I could play my edited video back from, one of my machines. Then, play back the digital audio track. From the other machine. And with some practice and luck. Work at getting the digital audio videotape. In synchronization, with my edited videotape. Which might take a couple of tries. But once I got it, InSync.. It would remain that way. Largely for the duration, of the rest of the recording. Et voilà! High quality,, digital stereo soundtrack! With three cameras. And various other,, B roll, inserts. Creating an apparent,, $20,000, live rock band capture, video recording! Yee ha! Yahoo! Yabadabadooo! Yeah baby! I made myself look like a fucking genius! Because I actually am.. That was 1983.
By 1996.. I had gotten the brand-new, DV tape, digital camcorders. Offering, over 1000 lines of resolution! And full-blown, 16-bit, 48 kHz, stereo digital audio. And Adobe Premier version 1. Now the skies the limit! And with my next acquisition of a, DVD video disc recorder. It now looked every bit as good. Of what we were churning out from NBC--TV! For pennies on the dollar! Life has never been the same again. And we've only gone further than that. As there will be no more crappy, amateur looking video productions. Unless they haven't got any talent? And have no idea what the massive possibilities are now. So easy now. Such a painless procedure. Everything miniaturized. Everything so much more lightweight. Everything so much higher in resolution. Outstanding picture quality. Flawless sound. Easily duplicated. With no reduction in quality, noise, resolution.. Because everything is now, digital copies from the original master.
So this video only served, to make me feel, really, really old. An antique, fossil. From a bygone era. And where I was so lucky and fortunate. To watch the technology and industry, grow and change, around me. It's mind-boggling.
The good old days
RemyRAD
About as much fun as teching a hybrid conference.
Sue Robbie!!!!...now, what's she on about?...
funny, I just bought two VCRs last month, now I can edit once again. honest!
Does anyone know what this video was shot on? I assume Betacam or Batacam SP. Camera model would be even nicer if that's known.
will you publish other full releases of Video Active?
Nice! 🎸🤘😎
My friends and I were experts and extremely serious about this, as we used to compile our own erotic movies compilations.
Didn't hear VHS static sounds in the entire video...
From when the BBC weren't afraid to explain technical stuff.
You want them to make a show explaining how to use your phone? You'd complain about them wasting money explaining things we already know.
Why would the BBC need to do that when it's just a Google search away?
@@MrJamestheninja a lot of the results for guides on Google thesedays are ads for junk packages that claim to be free then charge you when it's time to render
The copyrights you meant? You ever did that??
looks like Laura in an outtake from Twin Peaks
This is how tv should be, now its all flashy and waterddown
Was her editing VCR a JVC? Cant tell, the picture quality is superb along with the stills.
They readily showed us that the monitor was a JVC, but did a good job of hiding the brand of the take-up deck. It's a Hitachi VT-8E. I'm amazed that there was such a thing as a five-head VHS machine: I thought four was the limit.
@@smadaf That machine looked good quality. I have a philips 4 head from 1989 and a Panasonic Super Drive 6 head, 1998.
@@Shamsithaca The one out of the way on the shelf behind looks to be a Ferguson 3V31, though likely a rental version (8941), or unbadged. From 1982, it was one of the first linear-stereo front loaders on the market! The JVC equivalent was the HR-7650..
she was almost 40 at that point... aged good. still cute
Any idea…what cameras were used to produce this episode..I want to recreate the same feel using old cameras….I love this visual texture
You don’t need to buy this old Camera 🎥. You have apps for that and you have filters for that on the IG camera app for that
@@legolas7r I know..but I just want to do it with the old school equipment the old school way…
Sony Betacam was a popular professional broadcast format back in the 80's. Even if that wasn't the camera used here, it will achieve this sort of look.
@@DyenamicFilms thanks… I guess the output would be SD back then…was there any camera that could achieve HD resolution…if not then is it possible to create a HD resolution video using the telecine conversion of some sort…
@@asapfilms2519 Sony did make HD cameras back then. I believe it was model Sony HDC 500 in the mid-late 80's.
Ahh, the reassuring clicks, clunks and whirrs of VHS players, and mashing the tracking button to try in vain to fix dodgy audio on playback.
That looked easy. I bet dozens of people tried it.
Yeah thank god for premiere pro.
Sale ?
man shes fine, got me barking at my screen 😫😫
I have the same Sony video camera
A table full of cables and AV equipment worth thousands of dollars doing what anyone can do now just with a phone
Nice to see the BBC admit the past was the golden age of TV. It certainly isn't now.
This is like something vwestlife would have uploaded.
Sultry 3:21
Her place looks more modern then 87
It was most likely a studio or someone else's place rented out, not her own place. She's not Steph McGovern!
Haha and I thought starting with cubase vst had limitations:)
Having been through the 4 track cassette days, for me Cubase VST in the late 90s was a miracle and a revelation.
Landfill sites must be the new gold mines.......
Just buy an Amstrad Double Decker.
She’s so sexy when she says "the sound of my voice right now"😮
This is way too sexy and dramatic for a video editing tutorial. She does a complete wardrobe change just to talk about audio copyright issues.
Why it's so complicated
This is pre digital era and pre internet. Back in 1987 there was no super fast broadband, there was no proper internet. Technology was clunky and more basic than 2022.
God it was complicated back then,now we can do it in half the time on a computer
Yes it was complicated and time consuming, BBC, ITV, CH4 all used Edit decks to create adverts for their shows or films. Nowadays it's using a computer, and editing software like Cyberlink Powerdirector, Pinnacle Studio etc.
Quite a different presenting style from today, and more than a little patronising: apparently "synchronisation" is "keeping the picture locked into the sound". Sue Robbie definitely in the "Angela Rippon" mode, so devastastingly harpooned by Pamela Stephenson in "Not the Nine O'Clock News", and by Victoria Wood and Julie Walters: "Most of the heat-loss from rooms actually escapes through the glass. That is, the *see-through* part of the window."
I remember her well I guess many teenage boys were thinking about her lips not the ones on her face anyway
She's made "a video", has she? Anybody got a copy?
didnt she appear on tomorrows world?
Nope, you mean Maggie Philbin (to whom she bore a rather striking resemblance!).
@@Crazy1Clive this could soon turn into a list of a young teens crushes
The blonde woman on tape walks very strangely...
She kinda looks like Susan George.
It reminds me of a remark made about me right after the first take in a production many years ago: "It didn't look like you were running. It looked like you were running in front of a camera."
It's a shame that she wasn't demonstarting a sibian!
Dude that's hilarious.
Its so simple, you just need a things a cost of 5 years salary.
Oh I'm watching your lips, don't you worry about that 😏
and now we have openshot a free video editor .
As if people were editing anything they recorded on their handheld camescope. People barely even watched it..