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IS MKLEO OR SPARGO THE BEST PLAYER NOW?
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2023
- At Major Upset, our grand finals there came down to the best player in the world, and MkLeo...That is, depending on who you ask... Could this grand finals set be what tips the scales on who is the better player now between Mkleo and Spargo? Let's watch and find out!
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what are your opinions? am I cooking or no?
Spargo needs to beat Leo at like 5 more majors for this to even be a discussion. Any top player can beat another top player, but not every top player Is consistently getting to grands like Leo.
I def wanna hear your opinions on Leo’s characters
Yo Marss have you ever tried playing Roy?
No, drop zzs and main kirby
For top 10 of all time didnt tea not lose a set for like the first year of ultimate or something crazy
The real best player is Marss when he stops playing midtiers 💯
Low tiers*
Bottom Tiers*
Garbage tiers*
Trash*
Why does he play these characters tier*
We always go through phases where we think Leo isn’t the best anymore, but he’ll go on another run and shut everyone up for a few months, then the cycle will repeat.
It's obvious that Leo will always have best player potential in him. It probably just gets boring doing it the same way over and over again
@@rmlgaming2091 yep. Gets bored of the game so he stops playing a lot, then gets tired of losing and starts grinding and winning tournaments again.
And on top of that he has won more tournaments with different characters and no one has been able to do that but him.
It's not phases where people think he isn't the best anymore. It's just times where he isn't the best. The best player has changed before and will change again.
If you can _choose_ to be the best, with consistent results, you're the best, even if you're not putting up the results.
4:03 Nair's my favourite cloud move specifically because of the fast front hitbox and that sick back hitbox. Maybe I'd feel differently if I hadn't skipped smash 4 idk.
as someone who played smash 4, i despise all cloud aerials. maybe id feel differently if i actually had skipped smash 4.
@@lucinamain6861 Smash 4 Cloud nair is in my dreams and nightmares.
@@lucinamain6861 How can you despise Cloud's down air, Forward air and especially Cloud's back air??? They're all excellent moves, bair being considered the best bair in the game.
Wholesome Marss analyses is some of the best content on YT, imo
The Leo Aegis doesn't need to go fully away. The Ludwig Inv line up was peak. Joker for Min Min, Aegis for Sonic and Byleth for everyone else. Add Meta Knight for Rats, but yeah, I don't know why he stopped that. It was pretty much perfect.
to put it simply. its hard
His corrin was kinda crazy tbh tbh. He was slapping up top players all the time in that short era
Tbh tbh
0:50 Nah your spitting Mkleo Byleth is his best character rn imo
Agreed
Regarding Leo’s Aegis, I was at Rise N Grind when he won with Aegis, and all I’ll say is that he strolled into grands and won like it was nothing. I’ve never been more sure that somebody would win than that day.
Based on results the correct answer right now is Acola
Maybe if you only look at three months of result he has a case. Even then though didn’t he place 8th at genesis?
But based on how carried he is from using steve doesn't count
@@christophercrane2323 7th. But every other contender for number 1 has an equal or worse result. Spargo with 13th at summit, Tweek with 7th at genesis and Leo with 9th at collision and summit.
@@Walufkinblast Is there something you don't understand about ''based on results''?
@@legrandliseurtri7495 I think you are a fanboy of acola
12:21 Lol the Ultra Instinct sound. That was sneaky.
Marss, I genuinely think you are the best ult player. Your fundies are so good that you can win with most characters, and could play just to counterpick and win most sets already
I also don't think that Aegis is a Leo character. All the other characters he plays, there is this certain Leo-note to them and he plays them with a certain grace. I don't get that feeling from his Aegis.
Well I haven't seen any Aegis win a single big major since last patch.
Every Aegis in grand final get destroyed.
Last week in 九龍 Shuton's Aegis get destroyed by Miya, then he drop Aegis return to Olimar, and he become chanpion.
Is Aegis cursed?
@@ninedays1024 Aegis has some very bad flaws that got overlooked by many. Pyra's slow attacks, mythras lack of safe on shield moves and not very active hitboxes, pyras slow mobility and mythra's bad airdrift. Their recovery and some other things but these are probably the largest ones. I never understood the hype for aegis honestly. If any character is cursed though its shulk and Kome.
@@jaydenhohman2590 And where do I seem to have said that exactly? I don't have the slightest idea to whom your reply was directed, but it can't be my comment because your reply doesn't refer to what I've said at all.
@@dave9515 Shulk is SUPER cursed. Top tier who cannot win anything.
its a strong sword character. Leo plays sword chars. He just has to get used to them. theyre actually a hard char contrary to what the scrubs think and dont have a free recovery like byleth. mkleo also had the surprise factor on all his other chars cuz no one was playing them. Everyone plays aegis so he cant surprise ppl for quick results. hes just gotta grind them out
Editor, thanks for Pounding Pavement from Daytona USA playing in the background. You're GOATed!
At 8:00: Aegis absolutely gets destroyed by Kazuya cheese. In the Riddles-Leo set, Riddles got 2-3 hell's gates and that's just the entire stock right there. It's a super low risk move that absolutely destroys Aegis, and it swings the matchup massively in Kazuya's favor.
Didn't know Marss (or at least his editor) was a lethal league blaze fan. Love to see it!
I always love tournament vod marss
That Game and Watch Gallery subscribe sequence brought back memories I forgot I had.
Nah bro said “really good recovery from spargo” like a serious commentator in grand finals as he SDed 💀 I’m crying
As a kirby main, I completely agree with the whole "getting used to joker's playstyle". Now I'm happy to see a joker because i know what is exploitable about him, and even though its a bad matchup for Kirby, Joker is one of my encounters with the highest winrate. No clue why Joker specifically, but something just clicks when i'm against one.
It sounds like way too much effort to combo Kirby, Joker has a broken comeback mechanic but he has no cheese
Kirby with the Joker mask is super cute
It’s probably because of Joker’s hitboxes vs low-profile characters. Joker has to work so much harder and be so much more precise with execution because low-profile exists.
Not saying that Kirby is a bad matchup for joker or anything, because no. But it still requires more effort and precision than fighting a normal character.
Dont know why people keep thinking his Aegis is the best etc. Its his worst character with the most losses. He just doesnt click with the character
Even his Corrin brought him much higher success in much shorter time, yet he dropped her immediately 💀.
Yeah but like why doesn't McLeo bring back the lucina??
His byleth is just his best character, aegis and joker are better characters but peak Leo is on byleth. Byleth can't get cheesed like aegis can, and doesn't have to get close to kazuya like joker has to (if the joker won't commit to gun camping super hard). Byleth rewards being the better player really hard and doesn't get blown up
for a lot of players, me included, the name "MKLeao" is synonymous with Joker.
What I would do is role or short hope to the corner rest neutral work around with my broken fair and and bair and try to just hope I can get a read or a clean hit somewhere for momentum
It’s still Leo if he actually picked characters that would destroy his bad matchups. The man lazily picked ROB against Min Min because his friend played ROB a lot so he “knew some stuff”, not because he actually doing what it took to win.
I just want the top 10 marss sooooo bad!!! Marss when all in makes this game look beautiful
Marss im already subscribed. But dont stop those intros
marss, next question
Marss really had G&W tell us to subscribe. What a W
i fully respect content creator grind gotta make the hustle but i do miss top 5 marss
I feel like youre less likely to str8 up die from a stray hit with steve as opposed to aegis.
I know the title is wrong on purpose for clickbait…
But it’s Marss, so he gets a pass.
We can't be sure about Le's Joker until he hard commits to him like he did back in the day. We're still seeing a secondary rusty Joker from Leo. If he hard committed to the character again and played him for a year and a half and his results didn't improve then I'd believe Joker isn't his best character.
Also Aegis isn't actually a high top tier. Low top tier at best and Leo's worst character in terms of benefiting his play style.
Why is this either or and not Acola and Proto in the running?
that tweak pic makin me TWEAK
I'd probably also add Sonix in ur convo as well..
I agree that Leo's byleth goes hard, its also the funnest to eatch
love to see big d making a name for himself. i firmly believe dude is top 10 in the world and #1 ice climbers player
@@jaydenhohman2590 if he was top 10 it would definitely be 10th but i could agree hes at least top 15. we shall see what happens by the end of the year
As of rn prob neither. Acola has the best results rn they both have the potential to overthrow Acola though and Tweek has the potential to do so as well. Also maybe Protobanham if he plays enough.
Tweek has been farming Leo in their recent sets
7:13 Song please?
Did this dude say top enchilada instead of top echelon? That might be the funniest word mix up of all time lmao
Who best player?
The guy who wins tournaments with mid tiers or the guy who spams fair and Bair?
Marss’ best characters are ZSS, and Joker. One of em got nerfed to the ground, and the other takes crazy skill to play at a top level, not sayin Marss couldn’t do it. But what a tough draw for Marss lol.
I swear people be declaring a new best player in the world every other week.
It's almost like the best player is changing because the top players are really close in skill or smth.
ppl have been talking about Sparg0 being #1 for a while
Unpopular opinion: I think Leo's Corrin is better than his Aegis.
I think Riddles is easily in the top 5 best online players, but offline is a bit tougher to call
Mkleo when he stops throwing
I genuinely think marss and wadi have best player potential. Wadi is insane and he does even really do tech in matches, which he's been practicing. Marss is pretty efficient too. Imagine wadi playing and marss coaching omg.
Tweek and acola better than both
I've definitely been thinking a lot less of Joker too, surely he has potential to beat anyone, but technically so can Little Mac. Arsene could be the best character in the game but when you can be Steve the whole time, idk man
Marss needs to money match Leo, Leo’s zss vs marss joker. EASY MARSS WIN 💰
Spargo reset 6-1 Leo to claim the throne
Currently, I'd say sparg0 is above mkleo and all, this set partially proved it. But mkleo has been playing really bad lately and sparg0 was playing a bit above average tbh but I don't think he took number 1 from Leo bc I don't think leo has number 1 if we're just looking at it as of currently bc acola or tweek are also definitely above leo rn since he's playing bad lol. Funny how sparg0 spent all this time at number 2 trying to beat leo and now that he is doing so, there's now two guys he's still gotta beat instead lol
yo
he just won a Japan supermajor
Leo needs to pick up DK. With all the arm intangibility, he’s basically a sword character.
Trick question its acola
every time i hear my peers talk about joker they keep talking about 2019 joker, this man is not what he once was and this current meta has powercrept over him. He's still great, but it's crazy people don't see his flaws because of bias or whatever shit.
Now imagine if the best player in the world....picked up the best character in the game.
But Steve is banned at some tournaments 🤷♂
Acola already plays Steve 😅
@@dingo9696 Acola will disappear once Steve will actually be banned, he's the new Sm4sh Bayo
@@rospoho acola is the only Steve who has made top 8 at any 2023 major, he literally carries the character, and will continue to be #1.
@@dingo9696 he’s not the best and never will be
Acola is amazing, BigD did amazing as well, unfortunately ice climbers is very limited
despite the whole joker rant, i still think he's the best, then followed by steve then aegis. i dont really struggle against steve all that badly. idk if it's cuz my characters are broken or if i only ever play against bad players (probably both) or maybe im just really good at the steve matchup. i still understand how broken he is, but man, joker is like melee fox to me. he's one of my characters and every time i pick him, i just do so damn well. i dare say i sometimes do the leo thing where he just doesnt get hit for like 2 whole minutes.
1:41
what is this song LOL
Marss is.
Leo is still the best and if he wants to show it he will so don't ever question the king
My man what about tweek?
If I was in the chat and he asked what I'd at that moment I would of said parry then down tilt
I think they are very even, sometimes Sparg0 wins, sometimes Leo.
Top 4 are currently
1) あcola
2) Tweek
3) Sparg0
4) MkLeo
Sparg0 could pass Tweek if he does very well in Japan. However, あcola is too far ahead of the rest to reasonably be overtaken this season.
EDIT: Leo is obviously the GOAT, though
Acola is carried af, if they ban steve hes out of top 10
@Mr. JJ This is nonsense. あcola is the only Steve in the world whose results haven't declined in the last six months, and he's the only Steve who's winning in Top 8 of majors. Miya, who's probably #5 in the world at this time, was only able to take one game off Shuton in Kowloon 5 grands with his Steve. Statistically, あcola carries Steve, not the other way around, even if Steve is the best fighter. Players have finally figured out the MU, so the carried Steves have fallen into irrelevance.
Besides, Steve doesn't magically grant the player the ability to read the opponent and consistently parry or spotdodge otherwise safe moves. あcola parried MkLeo repeatedly, and his Game 3 3-stock ended with a parry -> up smash that would've killed with a number of other characters. He spotdodged Tweek's down smashes and parried his bairs because he's just that good.
Anybody who seriously calls あcola carried is either ignorant or in denial. I suggest you watch his sets and pay attention to how he plays. Game 5 あcola is what Game 4 Leo used to be. The kid learns so quickly that it's almost unfair, hence his absurd Game 5 win rate. He's also even younger than Sparg0, so he likely has even more room to grow.
EDIT: Just to be clear, disagreeing with my opinion that あcola is #1 is perfectly fine; calling him carried is nothing less than foolish. If somebody makes an argument for Tweek, Leo, Sparg0, Hungrybox, or Quandale Dinglelingleton being the best, more power to them. It is my opinion that あcola could focus his efforts on Pythra and Kazuya and still be #1.
@@TheGFFA nah you’re just crazy delusional if you think he’s not carried. He’s hard carried like any other Steve player, so he’s not top 1
@@William38827 Other guy: makes solid arguments to prove Acola has insane fundies, adaptability and technical skill
This dude: nah you crazy
Nah you are in complete denial because of your Steve bias. Acola is objectively a great player with tech, fundies, reads and all. Deal with it.
@@lloydaran reads 😂. The dude just spot dodge and rolls every single time and then does the most braindead option as human possible, What a good player. Carried af
Mkleo, end of discussion.
If Marss tried hard he'd be top 10. I saw what you did against Tweek and Gluto
It's Acola and its not even close tbh
Pyra is heavier than Mythra, I think Leo could have lived limit cross slash if he didn’t switch.
The best player is bloom if he travelled ;)
My Top 10 in America (imo): *see below*
My Top 10 Worldwide (imo) :
1: Sparg0
2: Acola
3: MkLeo
4: Tweek
5: Light
6: Riddles
7: Protobanham
8: Glutonny
9: Sonix
10: Mi-Ya
10-15: Apollokage, Big D, Muteace, Tea, Shuton
16-20: Zackray, Maister, Zomba, Kurama, Dabuz
Others: Skyjay, Asimo
Top 10 in America (imo)
1: Sparg0
2: MkLeo
3: Tweek
4: Light
5: Riddles
6: Glutonny
7: Sonix
8: Apollokage
9: Big D
10: Muteace
11-15: Maister, Zomba, Kurama, Dabuz, Skyjay
What about Sonix? Also, I love Riddles, but because of his (less than before but still remaining) inconsistency, I would place him at 7 or maybe even 8.
@@SinceroOdio Riddles results are insane lately. He's actually pretty consistent lately
But yeah I kinda forgot about Sonix, I could definitely add him
Where would you put Sonix then?
Like 9 or 10 or something
@@jannomeeuwessen4886 over proto. Proto is good but doesn't travele enough to really solidify that placing
@@hunbi1875 do you mean you would like to put Sonix at 7 or you wanna put Proto lower
@@hunbi1875 more like over AK
Marss would be #1 if he didn’t play a bottom 1 character
Yall forgot to mention Zackary for top player in smash. How people forget just a year ago Zachary was easily best Japan player. Before he left smash.
I don't think Leo is the best, maybe there are several 1st seats.
I mean, he shares the "best" player title
I agree there are like 4 best players in the world rn lol
Yeah. The skill gap at the very top is pretty narrow now. And that’s a good thing for the competitive scene. There’s no one player I’d consider to be head and shoulders better than the rest. The best one of them isn’t so much stronger than everyone else that it’s shocking if they lose to second place.
@Rikudo Acnologia the classic leo tweek spargo acola "new best player randomly generated every 24 hours" special
@@hunbi1875 lol facts I like that we can't tell who the best player is rn shows the comp is actually crazy
My fav thing is when I somehow crouch on a platform when I’m trying to fall through and die for it
Honestly its probably Acola right now.
Instead of "best player in the world," it should just read "greatest of all time."
Marss is definitely top 20 right now your results are good kawaii con
@@jaydenhohman2590 bruh have you not been watching the competitive scene for the last 7 months put some respect on marss. When he cares he's damn good and I would argue that he's like tweek he's better against the top players around his age than he does vs young talent
@@jaydenhohman2590 not true this last season he has wins on multiple top 10 players and is consistently getting 7th and 8th places at the tournaments he gos to end of conversation
Marss is the top 33rd player
Marss trash kee underperforming while talking about goats 🐐
As of rn Sparg0 is better and more skilled tbh Leo has just won more tournaments but rn has ascended😂 Sparg0 is better in my opinion atm
My favourite player, little z is the best player in the world.
Love seeing the leo aegis lose.
Never forget, Marss won G7
And Leo won the rest👀
@@austinroccaro2219 Shhhhhh those one's don't count
Yes I hate Steve, unapologetically
Sadly, Acola is. Nothing against the guy steve just isn't enjoyable to watch.
The clear best player is acola and it isn’t close.
???? You're crazy.
@@hunbi1875 i mean hes right, 2 supermajors and a summit destroys anything else anybody has
@@hunbi1875 in what context is acola not #1?
@@ballertheking1038 he’s not. He’s carried by Steve and he’s not even good at the game
@@William38827 suck
The only thing i know for real is that Leo stans will imagine Leo being the best even if he isn't, so the question doesn't matter lol.
I think Aegis is 2nd behind Steve. Steve is harder to outplay than Aegis, but both are crazy overtuned and easy to play as
Nah. Aegis is relatively very tame in comparison to Fox and her strengths are still behind Cloud and other “complete” characters. It’s not like Sheik in Melee and Smash 4.
This is close but what’s sure is that Spargo Tweek and Acola are currently above Leo rn
Leo getting the Maister syndrome after signing up with Luminosity Gaming 😥
(jk)
Ahem... Both are better than mars. Except maybe his monke. Always gotta side with monke
Skyjay is def top 10
People really thinking Spargo is the best?
Yeah cause he is (or maybe Acola or Tweek)
Yeah because literally any of the top 4 have a reasonable claim to the best title.
I only think Leo will always be the best player because he is the only player in the history of the game that can just pick up a character and get to Grand Finals.
If only this was true?
People focus way too much on matchups. Sky jay and Leo are perfect examples of taking bad characters and making them work. At the end of the day it’s who played better
At the start of leo-byleth era, when he was dominating. literally everyone is saying byleth is broken like he's Steve. I hated that mentality, cause it invalidates leo's work in putting hours practicing the character and taking it in tournaments.
@@mrkncd there’s something to be said about top players not knowing the byleth matchup too.
play little mac against a good min min and then say that lmao
@@2FadeMusic extreme example being that he is the literal worst character in the game however look at guys like peanut who have had decent success with him
@@mrkncd absolutely. People are so quick to discredit a players ability. Leo is the goat of ultimate and took byleth to heights no one thought possible. Leo is a beast
Best player is tweek
G7 Marss kinda unbearable dough. Cmon we gotta respect it.