85mm vs 70-200 2.8 for portraits? WHICH IS BETTER?

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  • Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024

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  • @ChuckJacksontampaphotographer
    @ChuckJacksontampaphotographer 5 лет назад +34

    I agree - the 85mm fits me better too. The other thing about using this prime lens is *requires* more movement from the photographer which opens up more angles vs the 70-200mm. I find being forced to move around more to vary up the shots creates more opportunities and ideas for shooting and posing the subject, as well.

  • @AnxiousEducator
    @AnxiousEducator 6 лет назад +55

    I feel like the 70-200 looked sharper idk

  • @DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman
    @DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman 4 года назад +11

    I had the 85mm and I was crazy about the 70-200. Bought it, spent a lot, then when I go out I take my 85mm because I think it's so much more convenient to use. I have the 1.8 version, but even so I keep it at 2.8, so more of the face is in focus and it's also easier to work with. I think also that a hint of the background make portraits very cool with this lens, because it compress a lot the background while still let you know where the person is. At 200mm 2.8 the chosen location is not even relevant in many shots.

  • @MrShinobi1000
    @MrShinobi1000 5 лет назад +18

    Got both an prefer my 70/200 .... thank you for this video 👍🏻

  • @jhdez25
    @jhdez25 6 лет назад +10

    So this is the focus and recompose that you were talking about. Thank you so much for you tutorials

  • @josephberkeley
    @josephberkeley 5 лет назад +5

    I enjoyed your video. Thank you for making it. One note worth considering: If the subject is super camera shy, rather than a model, the 70-200 mm gives you some distance, which makes the subject more comfortable. I just shot a woman of a certain age who hates appearing on camera. In this case, I enjoyed the 70-200. When the subject is super confident, like an actress, I enjoy working with my 35 f1.4 and getting really close.

  • @thesedrumbeats9039
    @thesedrumbeats9039 4 года назад +13

    The compression on the 200mm is 🔥

  • @thejohnnerparty
    @thejohnnerparty 4 года назад +4

    Given that 85 &105 are good portrait lenses, I wish a reviewer would shoot the 70-200 at the same focal length on the 70-200 to get an idea of the difference between the zoom and prime at the same focal lengths.

  • @JPS4inLA
    @JPS4inLA 7 лет назад +28

    Have you tried shooting at 70mm...just a thought. When I shoot portrait with my 70-200 2.8 gm I rarely go past 135mm. Good stuff Manny👍 Would love to see you throw in an ultra wide(12-24/16-35) into one of your shoots to see what all that creativity you got does with it.

    • @thinkgolden
      @thinkgolden 6 лет назад +2

      Then he would only get ƒ2.8 versus ƒ1.4 with the 85mm

  • @poravich
    @poravich 2 года назад +2

    85 mm is perfectly suited for indoor portraits. 135mm is a perfect outdoor portrait lens. 70-200 mm is a versatile lens specifically designed for outdoor candid, not portraits, imo. I know some photographers who use 80-200 mm for indoor wedding photography, coupled with 85mm lens on their second camera.

  • @godofhope
    @godofhope 6 лет назад +15

    Focus and recompose seems funny, you would use it on a DSLR without wide spread focus points, but on a Sony??

  • @guitarintune408
    @guitarintune408 4 года назад +10

    Hi Manny thanks for this video! Just my opinion, audience is expecting to see comparison wherein you used both lens to its maximum potential before comparing. For example, you didin't shoot the 70-200 through its entire focal range and not only the 200mm end. The ourpose of the title is to help viewers decide and compare advantages and disadvantage of both lens in real life shoot. Would be better to use the 70 to 200 in its entire focal range since its not only 200. There is also that 85mm or 135 or 70mm range in that zoom lens that audience wants to see compared with the prime. Thank you

  • @GarryBurgess
    @GarryBurgess 5 лет назад +4

    I like both, and it depends on how much time I have. I also like really really fast lenses like f1.4

  • @paigecfrancis
    @paigecfrancis 3 года назад +15

    You’ve come a long way since this video bro. I just watched this (again) because I’m planning a headshot session soon at night and wanted to figure out what’s best between my 85 1.8 and the Tammy 70-180. Still can’t make a decision so I guess I’ll try both. 🤷🏾‍♂️. These things happen.

    • @bahaatamer1245
      @bahaatamer1245 3 года назад +3

      Yo do come back and let me know how it went. I'm also deciding between two similar lenses

    • @KgerShyang
      @KgerShyang 3 года назад +2

      @@bahaatamer1245 In my opinion, if you only shoot portrait, then get a 85mm will be better and spend the rest for lighting gear...

    • @thegeneral123
      @thegeneral123 2 года назад +1

      If it's for portraits I'd say the 85mm, though I went for the Tammy 70-180 as a lens to cover most to go with my Sigma 24-70 F2.8. I'm not a portrait focused shooter though.

  • @rodtapia
    @rodtapia Год назад

    Good perspective of analysis. Communication with model and relation with distance!

  • @johndonaldson5126
    @johndonaldson5126 4 года назад +1

    I had a Sony 85mm f/1.8 recently. It was a great lens for portraits; just not on my Sony a6600 where it was too tight. I've sold it and ordered a Tamron 70-180 which I'm waiting for. I think the 85 is great on a full frame camera, although I would still go for a 70-200 if I had a full frame body.

  • @blackopps01
    @blackopps01 7 лет назад

    I following your videos long ago because we both know why the sony is the best nowdays, and i see your videos just getting better with every upload and giving me inspiration.

  • @anthonyking9284
    @anthonyking9284 7 лет назад +119

    If I was shooting a model like that I’d be using Macro.

    • @fahadbinsakhawat3669
      @fahadbinsakhawat3669 7 лет назад +2

      ha ha ha , really????

    • @InMission
      @InMission 6 лет назад +2

      What macro do you use Anthony, is it the Sony 90mm 2.8? How is the AF? The reason I'm asking is that I went to the store to check on the 85 1.4 GM, I love the picture when you get it, but the lens is really frustrating, man, the is a nightmare, it goes to infinity, then it goes back, it really takes a awhile to get focus is the place is not really well bright. So I'm thinking about the Sigma Art 85mm 1.4, but not sure yet. I'd like to use the 90mm macro, a lot of photographer use macro for portrait, but I do know macro tends to have a slow AF so after my experience with the 85 today, I'm not sure. I used to have a 135 f/2.8 back in the days, but were amazing, light, and small, now days the lenses are gigantosores, so I don't know. I think the Sigma Art 105 would be ideal, but from the pictures, it will be even bigger.

    • @amitkrupal1234
      @amitkrupal1234 6 лет назад +1

      Carlos Rosa, I haven't seen any reviewer describing abt slow af from Sony 85f14 GM (now I am curious) , but one of Manny's video showed Sigma 85f1.4 art focus hunting a lot.

    • @InMission
      @InMission 6 лет назад +1

      Well, simple, if you'd like to see that, go to any store and try it, it's a Crappie AF, so for that price, it's a piece of junk with Beautiful Silky colours and an Amazing Bokeh and people just praise that without saying the Crappie side of the lens, which it's Completely Overpriced, if it had a fairly good AF, it would be on my list to go inside my bag, but with that Crappie AF, never, not at that price and even if was at 1k price tag, I would still think hard, because I like to have a reliable AF, specially for portraits. Now, I Love the Zeiss Batis 85 f/1.8, beautiful silky colours and great bokeh, not as good as the 85 f/1.4 GM but it's really nice, it cost half of the price, it's really small compare to the GM and it will probably be on my bag in the near future, I just want to wait to see the Sigma Art 85mm 1.4 and decide between the two.

    • @amitkrupal1234
      @amitkrupal1234 6 лет назад

      Just to be clear you are talking about Sony 85 f/1.4 GM (with Crappie AF)?

  • @JStieloSoloPhysique1987
    @JStieloSoloPhysique1987 5 лет назад +14

    bro im glad I came across your channel. you're def inspiring me

  • @universaInformation
    @universaInformation 4 года назад +1

    200mm for portraits should be medium close up or extreme close up, it's not for full body portrait. That's why you can zoom down to 70mm if you want full body.

  • @UniqueJ7Styles
    @UniqueJ7Styles 4 года назад +1

    Hello Manny I’m Glad i came by Your channel . You have this unique style & great patience when making video tutorials. I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to show yours skills & knowledge. Yes F 1.4 or 1.8 *(prime lens)* are indeed sharper lens. Again thank you Stay Healthy & Safe with this Nationwide pandemic. God Speed. 📷📸🎥

  • @satishbamal8447
    @satishbamal8447 3 года назад +3

    hopefully, you will be able to afford 200 mm F2 pretty soon, thanks for the video and I guess 70-200 is better in terms of what you can do with it (wildlife, bird photography, sports, and portraits, and some landscape), and 85 mm 1.4 is good if you are just wanting to focus on one thing and get the best results.

  • @GarnettLeary
    @GarnettLeary 6 лет назад

    I would recommend to anyone shooting 200 to choose a subject first that is either close family or friend. You need a strong connection with the model to shoot so far back or you risk losing interest in a remarkable option. That is for anyone who hasn’t shot portraiture in that focal length.

  • @animalic
    @animalic 5 лет назад

    Fun vid as I just used an 85 1.8 for corporate headshots in the studio and also my GF just got me a Nikon 70-200 2.8/G VR II that I am going to use at that exact location in Chicago for an engagement shoot.
    I was surprised, but impressed with the verdict for the 85, because I would have guessed the 70-200 because it can hit 85 (albeit at f/2.8) and even 70 to get close and can also hit 200 for nice compression and comparable bokeh. However, like you mentioned, the choice is personal. It’s good to have choices for creativity and different preferences.

  • @michaelbell75
    @michaelbell75 3 года назад +3

    5:14 haha. Funny to watch this now considering the 200mm is your new favorite lens. You know you don't have to shoot a 70-200 at 200 right? You can shoot it at 85mm, plus you also got 70-199...

  • @travisw1947
    @travisw1947 7 лет назад +9

    Your channel is wayyyy underrated...glad I found it. I shoot Sony too and have been looking for these comparison videos...would also like to see some videos on composition tips with the recorded view finder again. Thanks for your content!

    • @slimphotog
      @slimphotog 7 лет назад

      Agreed. I like how he both shows us the viewfinder while he works and tells us what he did and why. So much better than the norm.

  • @Qibilii
    @Qibilii 7 лет назад +1

    Gee thanks! Just the two lenses I needed to be compared...might have to rent the 85mm while in Cairo next month.

  • @RayDo92
    @RayDo92 6 лет назад

    The part of the video when you show the live view of you shooting, focusing, framing was really helpful, first time I see this on youtube and it was a real betterment. Thanks for that and keep up the good work !

  • @JaniceTunnell
    @JaniceTunnell 7 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the info. I'm considering purchasing the 85 mm to go along with the 50 mm that I already have for portraits!!!

  • @b991228
    @b991228 6 лет назад

    I like the 85 as well but the 70-200 zoomed out was better at smoothing out the busy flashing detail in the Chi-Town skyline allowing the subject to be more isolated.

  • @daxshell242
    @daxshell242 3 года назад

    Lol. As much as I love the corporate presentation intro, I love the style your have grown into today.

  • @marioarias9942
    @marioarias9942 7 лет назад +8

    I like the video tutorial, but in this video I thought you got more dramatic shots using the 70 - 200mm lens, though I'm a fan of the 85mm focal length too.

  • @john1120
    @john1120 5 лет назад +2

    70-200 lens will be heavy u may have to move around a bit, but everything is a learning process and we shouldn't disable our abilities. As photographers we must learn new methods to stay ready.

  • @Began2011
    @Began2011 Год назад

    This was a very good comparison. The 85 1.4 is just a good lens and focal length.

  • @MaximeTessier
    @MaximeTessier 7 лет назад +36

    i'd like to see you work in lightroom please!

  • @richardpcrowe
    @richardpcrowe 6 лет назад

    Of course, you can shot the 70-200mm lens at 85mm and then the big difference would be: weight and size of the lens, and the wider aperture of the 85mm. I like them both and they both have their pros and cons...

  • @kbdigitalpvd
    @kbdigitalpvd 3 года назад +1

    Didn't know you're in Chicago, we're in Rockford and come shoot there quite often. Good stuff!

  • @spyrosbotsolis2125
    @spyrosbotsolis2125 6 лет назад +2

    bokeh is my main concern. do you think the bokeh of 85 at 1.4 is any different than the bokeh of the 70-200 at 200, f2.8? thank you

  • @TweetyTiels
    @TweetyTiels 7 лет назад +1

    Hey Manny! Thank you for such a great explanation between the 2 lenses. I shoot with Canon5D markii & have both the Canon 70-200 & 85L 1.4 & I agree with you on the fact that it's much easier to engage with your models/clients with the 85L 1.4. You can with the 70-200 also, but only if you're going for those tight headshots. IMO I am really enjoying the Canon 85L 1.4 & can't wait to get out for some awesome shots. Thank you for sharing your views on these 2 awesome lenses. BTW,your wife is lovely.

  • @angangaus
    @angangaus 6 лет назад +4

    Uh...the nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 ed is like an ax. No way is my 85 sharper than that. As for me, yes, the 85 is lighter , less intimidating ,and yes has the otion of a wider aperture in low light. But the ruthless speed and versatility a.k.a work flow of the 70-200mm fl ed make it such a fun choice. Especially when am out snapping people in huge cities.

    • @ioannisstavrou2677
      @ioannisstavrou2677 3 года назад

      wider aperture in low light is useless except you shoot small things and faces!! It will make the background extremely unnoticeable!! Don't be tricked from specs!! THE QUALITY IS MORE IMPORTANT(lens crystal structure)!! A Leica will always outperform nikon & canon lovers for example!!

  • @Astronot989
    @Astronot989 7 лет назад

    Awesome video Manny, showing the viewfinder is a nice move. I think more than that, I enjoyed watching your technique with focusing.

  • @lbcitylacounty4982
    @lbcitylacounty4982 5 лет назад +2

    CANON 85L 1.4 with IS is DOPE!

  • @ejphoto
    @ejphoto 6 лет назад +6

    I'll take "speed" over "length" any day.

  • @juanurtaza6453
    @juanurtaza6453 3 года назад

    Great Video Manny, What Kind of Focus You Used?

  • @trockmalone007
    @trockmalone007 6 лет назад

    Bad Ass video Manny! Really powerful getting to watch what you are focusing on and how you frame in real time! Then seeing the post transformation. It would be cool to hear you and the model interacting too, add another level of depth. Great work and thanks for sharing man!

  • @usernameofutube
    @usernameofutube 6 лет назад +3

    What is the reason for focus and recompose instead of just moving the focusing point?

    • @alk327
      @alk327 5 лет назад

      chanala easier

  • @ivandraganov1355
    @ivandraganov1355 6 лет назад

    THX a lot for your videos, mate! U certainly inspire people to dive into photography and blokey blokes like me to at least try and master up a bit their pitiful skills. Well done and congrats from Eastern Europe!

  • @Ctaylormakeup
    @Ctaylormakeup 5 лет назад +1

    Sooo helpful!! Thank you! I am super reserved too and do not like to yell. 🙌🏽

  • @stevesvanderpool8653
    @stevesvanderpool8653 6 лет назад

    Yeah bro, you're up next! You and your wife got that synergy that translates well on screen.

  • @mrscillalatte
    @mrscillalatte 7 лет назад

    Loved watching this shoot again :) thank you so much.

  • @LodeNachtergaele
    @LodeNachtergaele 7 лет назад

    I really enjoyed to see the viewfinder. Interesting format.

  • @shennawerner9079
    @shennawerner9079 4 года назад

    LOVE the 85!

  • @Shorty2109
    @Shorty2109 6 лет назад

    Love the last two shots and their edits. Well done

  • @jordanstride6468
    @jordanstride6468 6 лет назад +1

    Love your videos brother, simple and well explained! Keep em coming

  • @Dylon1981
    @Dylon1981 5 лет назад +7

    6:25 LoL Manny, of course you can afford a 200mm f2 lens. :)

  • @birandonux6613
    @birandonux6613 6 лет назад

    You sir are the truth ❗️❗️ Love your photography brotha

  • @stanimal8
    @stanimal8 7 лет назад

    I've rarely done full length at 200mm and most definitely not in the landscape orientation. IMO, 130+mm should mostly be used for upper body or head & shoulder. Doing so would provide far better separation.

  • @a.jerrells8736
    @a.jerrells8736 7 лет назад

    Gracias mi hermano! Me gusta! You rock Manny.

  • @thegeneral123
    @thegeneral123 2 года назад

    I am a landscape, architecture and travel focused amateur photographer so for me I'd guess that a very fast 85mm prime would be best but I'd use my Tamron 70-180 F2.8 with my A7IV if I had to do portraits in a pinch. I just don't have any more suitable lenses on my X-T3 or A7IV as it's just not my focus. Maybe my Sigma 24-70 F2.8 or my Fuji 16-55 F2.8?

  • @jheelan
    @jheelan 6 лет назад +2

    Thanks for the tips tried the 70-200 but that thing is so hard to handle :)

  • @Manna_Acharjee
    @Manna_Acharjee Год назад +1

    70 200 best...

  • @inspir3d81
    @inspir3d81 4 года назад +1

    At 200mm you don’t feel very engaged? Then just step closer and zoom out!! That’s the whole point of the 70-200mm zoom it allows you both full body and tight headshots with a twist of the wrist!

    • @Seitenwerk
      @Seitenwerk 3 года назад

      But then you loose the background blur/bokeh..

  • @sayanganmotor7766
    @sayanganmotor7766 7 лет назад +3

    85mm 1.4 (y)

  • @dwiprayoga8414
    @dwiprayoga8414 7 лет назад

    Very nice post processing. Beautiful color. Will you show us later the editing process of those images?

  • @THSimagery
    @THSimagery 7 лет назад

    My dude, the view finder action, and the eye focusing function was crazy! Ah!

  • @richardpcrowe
    @richardpcrowe 4 года назад +1

    Looking forward to the upcoming Tamron 70-180mm f/2.8 lens...

  • @aellepopo78
    @aellepopo78 7 лет назад

    HI Manny, Thank you for the informative videos. There are many photographers on youtube, your tutorial stands out and i have learnt a few things from you already. I own sony A7, with 85mm samyang, beautiful results. It's just handling the manual focus all the time, can be little tricky. Also shoot with 50mm and 35mm on portrait. Again, love your work. Thank you.

  • @stevealexander6999
    @stevealexander6999 7 лет назад

    I've been following you for a while now, but watching the screen was so informative that I think all your vids should have it! Haha great shots

  • @Drone360pilot
    @Drone360pilot 5 лет назад

    Nice comparison thank you, pleas let your model/wife to have behind the scene comments - it’s so nice to see your real life communication) Nice channel. Respect

  • @jamesstewart3250
    @jamesstewart3250 7 лет назад

    This is next level, and for a photo Rookie like myself I get a much better Idea of what is done in camera and what is done in post. Thank you for taking the time to put this together. I am new to your channel but will def SUB and share.. thanks again

  • @HeroShotz
    @HeroShotz 5 лет назад

    You should do a comparison between this 70-200 2.8 and the sigma a-mount version with the la-ea4 adapter. Is it worth the 2600 for the emount ? Or should we spend around 500 for the a mount sigma and adapter.

  • @redbeardproductions-kevind9806
    @redbeardproductions-kevind9806 6 лет назад +2

    I know Keydrin Franklin. He uses a 400mm f/4 when he can!

  • @isaakpapadopoulos4794
    @isaakpapadopoulos4794 7 лет назад +3

    i have FE 55mm F1.8 ZA, should i go for 85mm 1.4 or 70-200 2.8?

    • @sonjasworlld
      @sonjasworlld 6 лет назад

      What did u end up going for? I’m stuck on the same question 😩😩.

  • @ajazahmed3694
    @ajazahmed3694 4 года назад

    Fantastic images

  • @sadenb
    @sadenb 5 лет назад +7

    How did you get the Focus sharp at 1.4 and recomposing ? That is sick.

    • @AndyS2K76
      @AndyS2K76 5 лет назад +2

      at that distance is possibile if you move the camera only parallel to the subject ;)

    • @GreenAppleMusic
      @GreenAppleMusic 4 года назад

      Omg...

  • @Luko007
    @Luko007 2 года назад

    Very good. Thank you.

  • @copicgirl8057
    @copicgirl8057 3 года назад

    I finally own both tomorrow (but on a Nikon) and it took me ages to save the money haha :D

  • @drakemasters9423
    @drakemasters9423 7 лет назад +2

    Great video Manny! Do you mind sharing how your recorded your camera's screen?

  • @craiglarbes1546
    @craiglarbes1546 6 лет назад +4

    Hey Manny! Love your photos!! As someone new to photography would recommend the sony 85mm 1.8 for 600 bucks?

  • @Edwin1503
    @Edwin1503 5 лет назад

    So when you hit the focus button then you move it and take the photo with her off center , you are using the lock focus ?

  • @owentaweeruksakul7252
    @owentaweeruksakul7252 7 лет назад

    Thank you manny for your video!! i really liked it!!! you are my inspiration!!

  • @Bushcraft242
    @Bushcraft242 3 года назад

    Awsome photography

  • @brettharris626
    @brettharris626 7 лет назад +17

    Manny use the flexible spot. That way you don't have recompose the shots in long telephoto lenes.

    • @adrimeler
      @adrimeler 6 лет назад +2

      He does it that way coz the center point has the better focus precision.

    • @danielgmur6486
      @danielgmur6486 6 лет назад

      I think the main advantages of the 85mm is weight and that they let in more light. The 70-200 is more flexible. The sharpness difference in this class of lenses is negligible IMO.

  • @northparkfilms3045
    @northparkfilms3045 2 года назад

    shoot weddings looking for a lens to separate people from the background during speeches and ceremony. I was contemplating the 70-20] f4, 85mm 1.8 and the 90mm macro 2.8. Is the compression at 200 significantly better than what I would get with those other lenses?

  • @phatcrayonz
    @phatcrayonz 5 лет назад

    Thank you for all your videos. I learns a lot. You’re amazing.

  • @MrKarator
    @MrKarator 6 лет назад

    Thanks for the interesting comparing! Are you capturing screen with external recorder?

  • @saintmovies7735
    @saintmovies7735 4 года назад +2

    My 70-200 gm is definitely sharper wide open than my 85 gm wide open....albeit the 85 is at F1.4

  • @smalltalk.productions9977
    @smalltalk.productions9977 6 лет назад

    thanks for the thoughts, the effort and the sharing. thumbs up.

  • @PaoloLunardon
    @PaoloLunardon 7 лет назад

    Ome of the best vid i've ever seen about that! Thk man!!! Greetings from Italy

  • @doveshack1000
    @doveshack1000 6 лет назад +2

    New subscriber here... Man, you content is awesome. Most engaging Photography channel I've come across!!! Dope stuff man. Thanks

  • @andrewward7042
    @andrewward7042 5 лет назад +4

    Your wife is beautiful!

  • @JKGartlandJr
    @JKGartlandJr 3 года назад

    Thank you !!!!

  • @WarChortle
    @WarChortle 7 лет назад +3

    I'm making the switch from Canon.. but do you think trading my Canon 70-200 2.8 II L lens for the 70-200 Sony F4 Lens is worth it? I'm not sure if my wallet can handle getting the Sony 70-200 2.8. I think the Canon is overall sharper, but my A7R II can't really focus correctly unless the subject well lit especially at the 200mm.

  • @mesidb15
    @mesidb15 6 лет назад +1

    Manny Ortiz, are you post-sharpening your images in PS?

  • @drummingspain207
    @drummingspain207 5 лет назад

    Curious.... why wouldn’t you use face detection (or even eye AF) and have the shot already composed (model already off to the side)? Most of these shots were taken using the old “focus and re-compose” technique. I’m currently Canon but thinking of switching. I thought those features would be well suited to this style of photography so be interested why they weren’t used

  • @ishu87
    @ishu87 7 лет назад

    This was awesome! You're a great inspiration. Keep at it brother.

  • @JStieloSoloPhysique1987
    @JStieloSoloPhysique1987 5 лет назад

    that instrumental at the very end with the hotwings was FLAME.. What is that?

  • @kimbarry411
    @kimbarry411 4 года назад +1

    So with the 70-200mm you can’t set it to 85mm?

  • @sygad1
    @sygad1 3 года назад

    keep the video still for the love of god, feels like im on a roller coaster

  • @Kid2holy
    @Kid2holy 6 лет назад

    Manny why not focus on the model for the first shots you were doing with the 200mm?