Thanks for all of this interesting history of how all of these makes morphed together in the 1970's when I first found out about this during my younger years. I was so angry with White on how I thought they killed Oliver and Minneapolis Moline. Fortunately I got over it. Many makes of tractors disappeared this way. By the way, nice hat Ross.
Great details of 4WD design history. Interesting to read all the Green paint comments. I lived it in that time frame and today many would still preferred the green tractors! Continue the history lesson.
Wow, a lot of info there Ross, for an old feller like me to comprehend, not that I'm complaining. I'll just have to go back and watch it several times to soak it all in. That said, I really like the history you gave us here, being a White owner, I do have a liking for all that history and now you gave me more appreciation for Oliver and Moline! Thanks and I hope your having a good day!
I can remember back in 1973 dad bought our first 4 Wheel drive. A 1973 Case 2670. Case touted their 4 wheel steering over articulated steering models. I can remember their being a large poster at CO-OP in Seymour where we bought it at. It showed a overhead view comparison of articulated vs 4 wheel steer showing the wheel tracks in row crops and how much more damage you would do with the articulated steer tractor with the large lettered caption on top that said "Case won't sell you a bum steer" lol... never forgot that, I was like 9 at the time. I got to drive it home!
That’s cool!!! I don’t know if I remember you guys having that tractor but I remember several of them around. I think they could also “crab steer” where both front and rear axles would turn at the same time.
During that time period, all manufacturers were learning the articulating 4wds. Welp, I missed it by 2 yrs because I was thinking they came out in '72, glad I stand corrected on that. I've always said it, if White had just stayed in the trucking business, Oliver, MM, Cockshut would most likely be merged as Oliver and probably still going strong today as Oliver but, they killed it all. I do agree if they had kept the green and white, they might have made it. What gets me is the HP difference with the exact same engine. One turbo charged and one not? Always interesting, great video as always, cheers :)
One just turned up more. Lots of manufacturers did the same thing. Example, the 426 engine used in the 7030-7080 AC tractors. Same engine, just turned up more in each model in the series.
Rescue another 4-150 or 4-180 and make it a "what if tractor" and paint it meadow green with Clover White wheels and grill inserts. While not like it came, the Oliver color scheme would make it a show stopper. Under the Field Boss badge put a sticker that says "WHAT IF?" Even maybe go further, find a Cumins out of a school bus or ??, put it in place of the 3208. We had a customer that ordered a 4-150 with 20.8x38 and we dueled it in the deal. That made it really look like a huge tractor. The center pivot while maybe not the greatest idea worked. We had a 4-180 with duals on it encounter a large tile hole and break the whole steering system. That was a real bear to get loaded on the implement trailer in the field. I had to chain the front and rear axles on each side to make it go straight and pull it up onto the trailer. Someone came into the shop and saw we had a 4-180 split and replacing broken parts and the word got spread that the White articulated tractors broke in half. I believe that Oliver needed a famous name engine as the famous Detroit 2-cycle went away so when they tagged Caterpillar engines starting with the 2255. Having a Cat engine was far more popular than saying it had a Perkins as it had the "British connection." Other tractor brands bad mouthed the Caterpillar 3208 as a "throw away engine" because in some truck applications the truck mfg. advertised their use of the 3208 as a drive in and a very few hours later drive out with a replacement engine. In a sense they were, but other brands had replaceable sleeves and used the same block. Replacing a 3208 was probably cheaper, quicker, and allowed the unit to be back making money instead of waiting for a rebuild keeping the vehicle off the road. We had one spin a main bearing. We sent it to a machine shop where they line bored the bad main, made an insert pinned into place and the engine went right back into the 2255. New crank, new std. bearings new rings and gaskets Another UGLY problem was the paint. The Argent Silver was basically the GM car paint that went to rust from the dealer showroom. Chevy were having to repaint cars 6 months old. Their paint process sucked. You see a truck or car coming toward you with great strips of primer showing you can guarantee it is a GM product. Repaint your 4-180 in modern clear coat paint and it would look spectacular. Some auto paint shop could spray the cab and hoods economically as there is not that much to paint, especially if you have sanded everything to their specs. In my research on the 3208 engine I have found that there was even a series that when were in some special "Ludicrous mode" moments produced 650 hp. One finds the modified 3208 engines in some pulling tractors. They are estimated at well over 1,000 hp. Slipper clutches to get the engine up to the really high rpm range and like all other brands of modified engines they fall on their multi-turbo engines faces when they drop out of their torque range. Sorry for the long post but your comparison brought up many thoughts from the past.
Great comparison! Thanks Ross. When I worked at the local Cat dealer many moons ago we replaced several 3208 engines in White tractors and always had the complaint about low lugging power, we would add 010" shim to the torque spring in the injection pump it helped some but your dead on with the difference between V8 versus inline 6 cylinder engines.
Great video. My neighbor used to farm in Gibson County with 2 White 4-180's and other White tractors n binders. Buddy the dog must love them Whites, because they are both the same color ! Taker easy !
I tend to agree about the green paint. Oliver made good equipment, there was a decent older dealer close by and there was a good showing of their machines around here. Moline was rare as the closest dealer was in another county. After the White change, our dealer did quite well trying to populate the area with those silver bullets, and many are still local. But as time goes on and as the old farmers disappear, so does the remaining White equipment. Now days, the only decent Agco dealer, that was an Oliver dealer in days past, is 50 miles distant. I still make the trip as he does treat us well, but it is a journey! As for collecting, I do so because it puts me in a mind set back to when us smaller guys could still make a living and we could afford that vintage iron. I love the 150, you got lucky there. But I think a bit of paint touch up on the cab wouldn't hurt it any. 😁
Oliver MM dealer 1/4 mile from our house. One day, some Silver tractors showed up. The next week they were gone. Things went pretty much quiet for a year then they had a sale and sold every last piece. They told White to get lost.
There was a lot of white four wheel drives in our area. My dad would never get one because he was told center pivot point was a weak spot. There was even a meadow green painted one someone had. Not sure what ever happened to that one. Thanks for your great videos.
Another awesome video sir you never disappoint both entertaining and informative. After having a 4-150 on the same tires as both of yours I think it gears them up too much. If I were to get another one I would prefer the 18.4X38’s with dual’s and it would gear it down a little bit and not be as sluggish in the field
So massey ferguson had the 1800 with bar axels in 71 but they were tall like all the others of the time. I think your right about the paint they should have kept Oliver green and MM yellow. Agco a few years ago killed Alice orange and I think that was a mistake because it is nice to look out in the yard and have a matching set of tractors. Great video!
Agree with you about color. Also think green would have had a better following among customers. People were loyal to meadow green M M yellow and Cockshutt red. Gray was never my pick
Very interesting vid...I agree with the you on the color scheme. It appears that Larry Shimoda was instrumental in a lot of design and marketing failures. how he ever got involved with White is beyond conprehension.
Massey1500 and 1800 were similar in design. I had 2 of them and they were cheaper power than any thing else I went to Massey because I didn’t like the Silver colour. You’re right about the colour thing
I was wondering what the differences were between the two Whites that you have. With the engine ahead of the front wheels I was curious as to the weight distribution on the front and rear axels, then you explained that it is 35 65 and when its' pulling it's 50 50. That makes a lot of sense to me! Very interesting critique of the two tractors!
I left a comment on That Oliver Guy's channel about the very subject of keeping the Oliver brand and I thought White would have been in a better marketing position. Even the last Moline sheller were painted red and labeled White. Styling is a funny thing. In the 50s Virgil Exner was hired by Chrysler. He was responsible for the big fins. Probably his most famous car would have been Christine. By the early 60s, Chrysler hired a designer from Lincoln. By the mid 60s there was resemblance to Lincolns in the Chryslers.
The high Interest rates and Jimmy Carter's grain embargo was very hard on farmers, small ones particularly. It became get big or get out unless you had something unique going.
The last big tractor I bought was my 4850 Deere. Love it, especially the power shift trans. But then again I paid 25K for it 17 years ago, and it still needs new rear rubber. Those 2 of yours are really cheap horse power! I think I need to start watching the sales and consider one! The big 2594 Case/ IH I have is having all kind of power shift issues and I don't know if I want to dump any money into that money pit, as no one around here knows anything about them. Was good power till this started. It's all electric over hydraulic control and it's reached the point that I dread running it!
I don’t know where I heard it, but I thought the reason to switch from the Oliver name was driven by the engine problems in the 1855, and that had damaged the brand. That being said, I think if the 2-105’s and 2-85’s were marketed as Olivers they would be considered classics. They fixed the majority of the issues with the 354.1 and made the weak part of the tractor a strength.
Love your videos they are very informative and the animal noises are what I generally make when I wrench on my old iron. You mention service bulletins a lot, I bought a white 2-105 last week so I’m new to the white world, where would one find the service bulletins? Keep doing what you do!
Nice video, I love hearing the history of machines like those. The two mighty whiteys look good sitting there together. I love hearing those cat v8's running. Oh I noticed a shield laying on top of the back end of the 4-150, were you able to find a battery box lid for it? Can't wait to see the 4-150 in the field with his bigger brother.
I don't think White was alone in the concept of making these as row crop tractors. The 7520 Deere and IH 2×2 were row crop tractors as well. Speak as someone who has spent most of my time operating John Deere, it was for them, the 50 series MFWA that started to make front assist more popular.
Speaking of pto swaps and rpm. What is the engine speed of your 9650 at 540?? I am looking for a 2sp. pto unit for my 2-180. Any ideas "o great oliver man"😅😅
I agree. They should have kept the green and white. And the Oliver name. They were an Oliver. I think a better engine in all of there tractors and one brand of engine. Plus having one oil reservoir for hydraulic oil. Would have made a huge difference. You mention the 2-150 in your video. I’m sure it will upset some. But they were the worst White tractor. The Oliver style Whites were much better tractors. MM engines were not good enough for that high of HP.
They were really pushing that 585 to its limit. Those engines were meant to run slow and lug, and they just kept trying to get more out of it. It would’ve been interesting to see what the corporate tractor would have turned out like if they’d finished it. Maybe it would’ve solved all the problems.
Just like mankind it’s funny how something so simple as color can influence people so much. If it does what you need it to do-who cares? Maybe if White had made a paid “option” to order it in any color the customer wanted just like cars, they would still be here today…just a thought.
Seems like they were doing the same thing International Harvester did with the 2+2... they to were designed as a Row crop tractor... same idea.. with the 88 series 2+2...except. their articulation was before the Cab... Is that why the trucks became Road Boss?
@@rosstheoliverman we used to yell come Boss Come Boss to get the cows come home while our nieghbors 2-105 feild Boss was smoking blowing feed up the smile
The 4-180 uses the outboard planetaries like the 2255 had. That’s how moline started using them. The inside of the housing is configured differently but it’s basically the same parts just flipped.
@@rosstheolivermanI don't know much about those old White tractors. The only ones I have been around was a 2-155 and a 4-180. The 4-180 that I drove was like you described except it didn't have outboard planetaries. It had 18.4-38 duals on adjustable axles. Was that an option?
Here's a link from the Floyd County Museum for a talk that happened there a month or so ago, on the 4WD tractors: ruclips.net/video/s91WZsBEtDs/видео.htmlsi=VHfAiu7in8lCGPOv
There weren't any 4-180s in my area, so I didn't know just how different they were until you had to replace that lube pump. Excellent video.
Thanks for all of this interesting history of how all of these makes morphed together in the 1970's when I first found out about this during my younger years. I was so angry with White on how I thought they killed Oliver and Minneapolis Moline. Fortunately I got over it. Many makes of tractors disappeared this way. By the way, nice hat Ross.
Great details of 4WD design history. Interesting to read all the Green paint comments. I lived it in that time frame and today many would still preferred the green tractors! Continue the history lesson.
Are you saying "minion-apolis moline"? 😂😂 either way very informative video!
Love the yellow and white on MM
Some stuff I had learned from another yt channel. Still was very interesting to learn more. Thanks for sharing. See you later.
Thanks for watching!
Great presentation Ross!
Ross, very informative on the differences between a 4-180 and 4-150. Thanks Michael
Thanks Michael!!
great video thank you for sharing the difference between the two tractors
Glad you enjoyed it!!
Great video! I also love 4wd tractors of all brands.
Thanks! Same here!
Wow, a lot of info there Ross, for an old feller like me to comprehend, not that I'm complaining. I'll just have to go back and watch it several times to soak it all in. That said, I really like the history you gave us here, being a White owner, I do have a liking for all that history and now you gave me more appreciation for Oliver and Moline! Thanks and I hope your having a good day!
Thanks Dan!
I can remember back in 1973 dad bought our first 4 Wheel drive. A 1973 Case 2670. Case touted their 4 wheel steering over articulated steering models. I can remember their being a large poster at CO-OP in Seymour where we bought it at. It showed a overhead view comparison of articulated vs 4 wheel steer showing the wheel tracks in row crops and how much more damage you would do with the articulated steer tractor with the large lettered caption on top that said "Case won't sell you a bum steer" lol... never forgot that, I was like 9 at the time. I got to drive it home!
That’s cool!!! I don’t know if I remember you guys having that tractor but I remember several of them around. I think they could also “crab steer” where both front and rear axles would turn at the same time.
Really enjoyed this video . Little bit of history, a little bit of engineering , and a little bit of Ross . Good job buddy , see ya tomorrow
Thanks Mark!
During that time period, all manufacturers were learning the articulating 4wds. Welp, I missed it by 2 yrs because I was thinking they came out in '72, glad I stand corrected on that.
I've always said it, if White had just stayed in the trucking business, Oliver, MM, Cockshut would most likely be merged as Oliver and probably still going strong today as Oliver but, they killed it all. I do agree if they had kept the green and white, they might have made it.
What gets me is the HP difference with the exact same engine. One turbo charged and one not? Always interesting, great video as always, cheers :)
One just turned up more. Lots of manufacturers did the same thing. Example, the 426 engine used in the 7030-7080 AC tractors. Same engine, just turned up more in each model in the series.
Rescue another 4-150 or 4-180 and make it a "what if tractor" and paint it meadow green with Clover White wheels and grill inserts. While not like it came, the Oliver color scheme would make it a show stopper. Under the Field Boss badge put a sticker that says "WHAT IF?" Even maybe go further, find a Cumins out of a school bus or ??, put it in place of the 3208.
We had a customer that ordered a 4-150 with 20.8x38 and we dueled it in the deal. That made it really look like a huge tractor.
The center pivot while maybe not the greatest idea worked. We had a 4-180 with duals on it encounter a large tile hole and break the whole steering system. That was a real bear to get loaded on the implement trailer in the field. I had to chain the front and rear axles on each side to make it go straight and pull it up onto the trailer. Someone came into the shop and saw we had a 4-180 split and replacing broken parts and the word got spread that the White articulated tractors broke in half.
I believe that Oliver needed a famous name engine as the famous Detroit 2-cycle went away so when they tagged Caterpillar engines starting with the 2255. Having a Cat engine was far more popular than saying it had a Perkins as it had the "British connection."
Other tractor brands bad mouthed the Caterpillar 3208 as a "throw away engine" because in some truck applications the truck mfg. advertised their use of the 3208 as a drive in and a very few hours later drive out with a replacement engine. In a sense they were, but other brands had replaceable sleeves and used the same block. Replacing a 3208 was probably cheaper, quicker, and allowed the unit to be back making money instead of waiting for a rebuild keeping the vehicle off the road.
We had one spin a main bearing. We sent it to a machine shop where they line bored the bad main, made an insert pinned into place and the engine went right back into the 2255. New crank, new std. bearings new rings and gaskets
Another UGLY problem was the paint. The Argent Silver was basically the GM car paint that went to rust from the dealer showroom. Chevy were having to repaint cars 6 months old. Their paint process sucked. You see a truck or car coming toward you with great strips of primer showing you can guarantee it is a GM product. Repaint your 4-180 in modern clear coat paint and it would look spectacular. Some auto paint shop could spray the cab and hoods economically as there is not that much to paint, especially if you have sanded everything to their specs.
In my research on the 3208 engine I have found that there was even a series that when were in some special "Ludicrous mode" moments produced 650 hp.
One finds the modified 3208 engines in some pulling tractors. They are estimated at well over 1,000 hp. Slipper clutches to get the engine up to the really high rpm range and like all other brands of modified engines they fall on their multi-turbo engines faces when they drop out of their torque range.
Sorry for the long post but your comparison brought up many thoughts from the past.
Very interesting video. Thanks much for doing the comparison and the difference I learned a lot.
Thanks John!
Great comparison! Thanks Ross. When I worked at the local Cat dealer many moons ago we replaced several 3208 engines in White tractors and always had the complaint about low lugging power, we would add 010" shim to the torque spring in the injection pump it helped some but your dead on with the difference between V8 versus inline 6 cylinder engines.
Very informative Ross. Liked that. Neat old tractors
Great video Ross. That was a lot of history. Thank you so much for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. My neighbor used to farm in Gibson County with 2 White 4-180's and other White tractors n binders. Buddy the dog must love them Whites, because they are both the same color ! Taker easy !
Awesome! Thanks!!
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I wondered about when these tractors were built and how they are different. Interesting discussion.
Thanks!
I tend to agree about the green paint. Oliver made good equipment, there was a decent older dealer close by and there was a good showing of their machines around here. Moline was rare as the closest dealer was in another county. After the White change, our dealer did quite well trying to populate the area with those silver bullets, and many are still local. But as time goes on and as the old farmers disappear, so does the remaining White equipment. Now days, the only decent Agco dealer, that was an Oliver dealer in days past, is 50 miles distant. I still make the trip as he does treat us well, but it is a journey! As for collecting, I do so because it puts me in a mind set back to when us smaller guys could still make a living and we could afford that vintage iron. I love the 150, you got lucky there. But I think a bit of paint touch up on the cab wouldn't hurt it any. 😁
Oliver MM dealer 1/4 mile from our house. One day, some Silver tractors showed up. The next week they were gone. Things went pretty much quiet for a year then they had a sale and sold every last piece. They told White to get lost.
Thank you for the history lesson!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Tractor history is always interesting
It sure is! Thanks David!
You are correct on the 2-150. They are the same as G1355 MM
Cool. I thought that was the case. I know guys didn’t have as much love for the 2-150 but I always thought the G1355’s were good ones.
No the 1355 and the 2255 were same rear ends.... different engines
@@glennschlorf1285that’s what we said? In this comment we were taking about the 2-150 not 4-150
Very cool history and mechanical class! Thank you! The best thing I didn't hear is you saying this part is made by Chrysler! 😂😂
Great video Ross, lots of cool information on a couple of cool classics.
Glad you enjoyed it!!
Enjoyed the history. Would like to run one someday in the field. Good video Ross
There was a lot of white four wheel drives in our area. My dad would never get one because he was told center pivot point was a weak spot. There was even a meadow green painted one someone had. Not sure what ever happened to that one. Thanks for your great videos.
Thanks for watching!!
Another awesome video sir you never disappoint both entertaining and informative. After having a 4-150 on the same tires as both of yours I think it gears them up too much. If I were to get another one I would prefer the 18.4X38’s with dual’s and it would gear it down a little bit and not be as sluggish in the field
Thanks 👍
Good history
Thanks Greg!
So massey ferguson had the 1800 with bar axels in 71 but they were tall like all the others of the time. I think your right about the paint they should have kept Oliver green and MM yellow. Agco a few years ago killed Alice orange and I think that was a mistake because it is nice to look out in the yard and have a matching set of tractors. Great video!
I liked it. 😊
Thanks Dan!
Agree with you about color. Also think green would have had a better following among customers. People were loyal to meadow green M M yellow and Cockshutt red. Gray was never my pick
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I have put many many hours on a 4-180 and a 6 bottom on land plow. Your spot on about the power curve on the 3208 cat...she falls on its face quickly
Yup, as long as she’s screaming, she’s satisfied 🤣
Great video
Thanks!
Local farm has a 4-180 with 2800hrs, they also have an immaculate 4-270.
Fantastic video. i loved it THANKS
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very interesting vid...I agree with the you on the color scheme. It appears that Larry Shimoda was instrumental in a lot of design and marketing failures. how he ever got involved with White is beyond conprehension.
He came as a result of Bunkie.
Very interesting thanks 👍
Thanks Mike!
Great video! Very unfamiliar with the 4- white series
Glad you liked it!
The Agcostar is a nice unit on later models
On my ex stepdads farm we had Minneapolis Moline, Oliver & white tractors. Ross I liked the green & gold tractors better.
Massey1500 and 1800 were similar in design. I had 2 of them and they were cheaper power than any thing else
I went to Massey because I didn’t like the Silver colour. You’re right about the colour thing
The silver color grows on me.
I was wondering what the differences were between the two Whites that you have. With the engine ahead of the front wheels I was curious as to the weight distribution on the front and rear axels, then you explained that it is 35 65 and when its' pulling it's 50 50. That makes a lot of sense to me! Very interesting critique of the two tractors!
Thanks Roy!
Ross a friend of mine had a 69 Chevy 3,/4 ton with 292& straight stick. It was amazing the torque it had
Interesting video Ross
Thanks Larry!
I left a comment on That Oliver Guy's channel about the very subject of keeping the Oliver brand and I thought White would have been in a better marketing position. Even the last Moline sheller were painted red and labeled White. Styling is a funny thing. In the 50s Virgil Exner was hired by Chrysler. He was responsible for the big fins. Probably his most famous car would have been Christine. By the early 60s, Chrysler hired a designer from Lincoln. By the mid 60s there was resemblance to Lincolns in the Chryslers.
There’s definitely things that could have went differently but too late now :(
The one I like you see work and be around is the 4 325 which was only a prototype ever built
Someday I’ll get out to Iowa and visit it.
Now you need a 2+2🤣🤣 I think the top driveshaft on those must run at engine speed, cause the clutch is on the rear half of them.
Maybe someday I’ll have a 4x4 collection 🤣
@@rosstheolivermanthere was a video on Watham farms Steiger collection that had some molines and a lot of other early articulated tractors
Great video as always
Appreciate that! Thanks!!
With the possible exception of White, I wish that Moline and Oliver were still a robust part of our agriculture. Fewer options are never good.
It was better when there were more farmers. That meant more customers to support more brands.
The high Interest rates and Jimmy Carter's grain embargo was very hard on farmers, small ones particularly. It became get big or get out unless you had something unique going.
The last big tractor I bought was my 4850 Deere. Love it, especially the power shift trans. But then again I paid 25K for it 17 years ago, and it still needs new rear rubber. Those 2 of yours are really cheap horse power! I think I need to start watching the sales and consider one! The big 2594 Case/ IH I have is having all kind of power shift issues and I don't know if I want to dump any money into that money pit, as no one around here knows anything about them. Was good power till this started. It's all electric over hydraulic control and it's reached the point that I dread running it!
I don’t know where I heard it, but I thought the reason to switch from the Oliver name was driven by the engine problems in the 1855, and that had damaged the brand. That being said, I think if the 2-105’s and 2-85’s were marketed as Olivers they would be considered classics. They fixed the majority of the issues with the 354.1 and made the weak part of the tractor a strength.
Love your videos they are very informative and the animal noises are what I generally make when I wrench on my old iron. You mention service bulletins a lot, I bought a white 2-105 last week so I’m new to the white world, where would one find the service bulletins? Keep doing what you do!
They could have gone tri-colour with Oliver green, Moline yellow, and Cockshutt red. It would have looked somewhat familiar to some folk. 😀
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Thanks Tom!
Ross you dont ramble on 😂 i enjoy watchin you. See ya on the next one you son of a knutson😂😂
🤣🤣🤣 thanks!
Mr. Ross can you still get the stripped stickers for those ? If you want to repaint
one entirely I mean? Just curious.
I think Greg at Oliverdecals.com is making them
Nice video, I love hearing the history of machines like those. The two mighty whiteys look good sitting there together. I love hearing those cat v8's running. Oh I noticed a shield laying on top of the back end of the 4-150, were you able to find a battery box lid for it? Can't wait to see the 4-150 in the field with his bigger brother.
I would like to see how it pivots up and down!
I’m sure we’ll cover that in the future. Thanks!
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Thanks!!
I don't think White was alone in the concept of making these as row crop tractors. The 7520 Deere and IH 2×2 were row crop tractors as well. Speak as someone who has spent most of my time operating John Deere, it was for them, the 50 series MFWA that started to make front assist more popular.
Speaking of pto swaps and rpm. What is the engine speed of your 9650 at 540?? I am looking for a 2sp. pto unit for my 2-180. Any ideas "o great oliver man"😅😅
I’ll have to look next time I run it. In the field it usually runs around 2650
I agree. They should have kept the green and white. And the Oliver name. They were an Oliver. I think a better engine in all of there tractors and one brand of engine. Plus having one oil reservoir for hydraulic oil. Would have made a huge difference.
You mention the 2-150 in your video. I’m sure it will upset some. But they were the worst White tractor. The Oliver style Whites were much better tractors. MM engines were not good enough for that high of HP.
They were really pushing that 585 to its limit. Those engines were meant to run slow and lug, and they just kept trying to get more out of it. It would’ve been interesting to see what the corporate tractor would have turned out like if they’d finished it. Maybe it would’ve solved all the problems.
Just like mankind it’s funny how something so simple as color can influence people so much. If it does what you need it to do-who cares? Maybe if White had made a paid “option” to order it in any color the customer wanted just like cars, they would still be here today…just a thought.
Ive wondered why the White implements were sumac red instead of gray. Wasn't sumac red the Cockshutt color?
I think the red was a complimentary color to silver and that’s what they were thinking.
i wonder where we would have ended if they had went with a cummins engine? thanks
They basically did just that. All the whites in the 100 and workhorse series were Cummins up until they quit making them in the 2000’s.
Seems like they were doing the same thing International Harvester did with the 2+2... they to were designed as a Row crop tractor... same idea.. with the 88 series 2+2...except. their articulation was before the Cab... Is that why the trucks became Road Boss?
Yup. Same boss. There was yard boss lawn tools, snow boss snowblowers, Field Boss, Road Boss, etc.
@@rosstheoliverman we used to yell come Boss Come Boss to get the cows come home while our nieghbors 2-105 feild Boss was smoking blowing feed up the smile
The 2-180 has the Moline planetary rear ends right? Like a 2150 or 2155.
I believe the 2-180 was a whole different animal. The 2-150 had the rear planetaries but I do not believe the 2-180 did, as it had diff lock
Unless you meant the 4-180....
The 4-180 uses the outboard planetaries like the 2255 had. That’s how moline started using them. The inside of the housing is configured differently but it’s basically the same parts just flipped.
@@rosstheolivermanI don't know much about those old White tractors. The only ones I have been around was a 2-155 and a 4-180. The 4-180 that I drove was like you described except it didn't have outboard planetaries. It had 18.4-38 duals on adjustable axles. Was that an option?
Here's a link from the Floyd County Museum for a talk that happened there a month or so ago, on the 4WD tractors: ruclips.net/video/s91WZsBEtDs/видео.htmlsi=VHfAiu7in8lCGPOv
Ross must be a millionaire if he can afford all this lol
1970’s BTO
@@rosstheoliverman then I must be a 1940s BTO lol
In my opinion the silver tractors are the ugly step siblings 😂😂
I'm curious about the poor paint job on white tractors why do they all rust a lot more than tractors from other manufacturers of the same age
It’s just the nature of silver paint in the 70’s. All the silver on trucks was the same way.
Agcos done the same thing. Screw your customer base over and over again.
Great video