Dog Cruciate Ligament: Treating Without Surgery [Part 2]
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Dr Jones shows you how to treat your dog's cruciate injury with supplements, acupressure, massage, passive range of motion exercises and swimming therapy.
Healing Your Pet without Surgery Part 1:
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Thank you Doctor, for what you do for us?
Great video...love seeing you promote comparitive medicine
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I love Lewis. He’s so calm☺️🫶
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Thank you for so honestly and humbly recommending your own supplements, but more stressing the importance of ANY supplements. Your video has been super informative and I will give this a try! Thank you for the great video!
Thank you, so much for sharing alternative medicine techniques. You are amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My little Shih Tzu has this problem when she was born, and grew out of it and is now suffering in her 13 yrs old age. I am going to go do all this now, and bookmark this video! Thank you :)
Thanks Kim
Excellent video... my dog is very overweight. Periodically on a diet thru RX food.. torn acl.. she is able to walk down the 2 steps to get out of house but when she comes in my son has to lift her. she is a lab mix. she is about 8 years old and has had many surgeries when she was young due to being born with rear legs that were not formed correctly. my poor baby is a mess.... she was a shelter dog...she doesn't move much during the day so I wouldn't have to crate her. I massage her every night and the video was very helpful. I was already doing the massages. I want to try the acupuncture and possibly get her a brace. I have her on supplements... thank you for your video. so informative......
Hi Karen,
You are welcome
is that dog unconscious?
That dog is awesome! I love how he is so relaxed and trusting of you. I have an 11 year old Giant Schnauzer. He trusts me just like that. I wish I had seen this video before I went the surgery rout on my other Giant's ACL. He ended up having surgery on both legs 1 year apart. The surgery went well, but it was certainly traumatic on all of us. That was almost 8 years ago. I lost that sweet boy in November 2013. Not a day goes by that I don't miss him.
I appreciate all the videos you put out.
Thanks for watching!
How long after the initial injury should I wait to start the massage and acupressure ??
Where can your supplements be purchased? Your videos really helped me. I have been having a hard time finding any non surgical information for healing. Thanks :)
Hi CJ,
Thanks,
They are available at my store: www.drjonesnaturalpet.com
I still can’t figure out the accu points near the tibia
I’m going to try this on my Rottie. Wish me luck!
i did this in the 70s nobody told me what to do but my love for that puppy made me think how to make him move that leg without putting any weight on it it was simple after a few monthsThere was no limp
My vet said there’s no tear, just called it a cruciate ligament injury like a sprain or as if we rolled our ankle. She’s an Australian cattle puppy whos very active. Do you think she can recover without surgery? Her vet has given her 2 weeks of anti inflammatory and Gabapentin
We love Dr. Jones! Great tips for those dogs that cannot have surgery for whatever reason. Can we share?
My vet thinks he has a ccl tear. She is telling me to stretch him, and do exercises where he puts pressure on each side of his leg, as well as 5min walk every day. I feel like this will do the opposite of help?
Where can I find your supplements?
on his website
Thank you. Great therapy! I will use this info for my Shorkie!
You're welcome, hope it helps.
Are there greater risks for a senior dog (12 y/o) having surgery for an acl (ccl) tear/rupture?
My 12 year old jack Russell cross tore hers at Easter and it hasnt healed with cage rest, dont know what to do
How is the dog now?
Hi Dr. Jones! I am wondering why is your dog Lewis so calm in that video? Is he under anesthesia or heavy sedation? Or is he usually that calm? Thank you!
Thank you for this video! We just had an operation - we are pretty big breed to keep her on preventive procedures, black russian terrier, but I got the idea from your video that it makes big sence to put brace on her anywise to keep her left knee functionable. 2.5month doctors were not sure why she is limping, I found accudently clinic and they diagnose in a 20 sec this ligament issue. My question will be how long we will need to keep her in brace to make sure she is ready to walk on herself. How to find that day when for sure we are ready to play toys - OR - we will never able to play ball with her? I know it is not so easy to answer, but just an idea for me to not loose the dog - she is only 13 month old and we already did something wrong if we 've got this conditions.
+Anta Plumbing -- See the video before this one, the first one in this 2 part sequel. Also, ask the doctor who did the surgery.
thank you
How soon after injury can we start acupressure and ROM exercises?
I have a pit bull.Was just injured now 7days ago. Took to vet. I can't afford surgury. He's my heart and soul. How long do I have to put on brace before it grows back.wrong. he's under meds. But not eating on his own. What can do at home to start healing . his spine.looks not straight. Pleas I need your advice. Barbara thanks so much
Dear Dr. Jones,
Please tell me what you think. My 11.5 year old neutered, healthy Engl. Lab weights 80pd (recently adjusted his food amount). He is usually 73 pd but we all gained some over Christmas. He has no arthritis and great xrays. He was diagnosed with one ruptured Cruciate ligament (about 3 days ago). We cannot afford the surgery which the Vet suggested. Our vet also mentioned that the surgery option is complicated and not ideal due to his age. But she has no experience with braces actually working so she did not even entertain the thought. I saw your video the day he was diagnosed and ordered him the orthodog brace and have him on "bed rest" in a 6ftx4ft doggy play pen and pain meds. I will also order your supplements.
I start feeling like I am making a mistake and letting him down by not getting him surgery. I trust your judgment and I would like to hear if you think surgery route or brace, rest and supplements would be best for him at his age (11yr)and weight (80pd). Thank you for your help!
are your supplements less than Dasuquin which is expensive
awesome dude !
May I ask where to buy your supplements? Thanks ☮️💜
I love your shows you teach me so much thank you
You're most welcome! Please feel free to share my videos!
- Dr. Jones
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Two weeks resting then our 115 lb lab got out and ran across our back yard.
He had the partial acl tear but after that one accident his limp is worse.
We are devastated and looking at a $4000 surgery bill.
Not sure what to do at this point. Is it still possible he could rest for 8 weeks and be ok....or are we just kidding ourselves at this point ? Thx Doc
Hi Charles,
The bigger the dog, the more difficult to heal on its own. If there is a complete tear, then I would suggest you plan for surgery with an experienced surgeon, ideally a Board Certified one
Charles Moore how did your dog go. Our dog has the same injury and we can't afford the surgery.
@@schup24 how is your dog? Same issue here with my Doberman. Will lift his back leg while standing
@@VeterinarySecrets how do you appropriately ask a specialist if they are board certified or how experienced they are? I always feel nervous to question someone’s experience but it is very important to me that they are especially for such a surgery. Ugh
Your dog is a Trooper!
how soon after injury should you do this
Hi Mel,
The current thought s are to brace as soon as possible restricting further damage while the body produces scar tissue stabilizing the joint
“Energy flowing” that’s an obscure non-meaningful term. Could you put in medical terms?
yeah.. here is one: vibes
Quack, quack, quack 🦆
Why the dog doesn't move? 😱 is dead ? How cruel
F Fra You can see the dog breathing.
Jaws BigFish I have no idea what you are speaking off. Thank you for your opinion.
Thank you so much for this dedicated and helpful information. This worked for me and my dog and she got to run and jump for another four years.
Without surgery
Any updates and info?
Thank you very much for sharing this information! I highly appreciate your videos and sharing. Question: In the previous video to this one (the first part), you suggested to initially keep the brace on for 8 weeks and to keep the dog with as minimal movement as possible, so that it could heal. However, in this video, you mentioned that the dog needs ROM to the effected extremity. Should you also give ROM during the first 8 weeks the brace is on (of course, need to temporarily remove the brace), OR should the ROM begin after 8 weeks?
what is ROM
@@stanky36 "Range of motion" - exercises to keep muscles flexible and prevent them from become stiff. -- After 4 years, they still have never answered my question. However, since then, my dog who had a luxating patella (Stage 3) was treated with giving fermented fish stock and "Ligaplex II" (but the Ligaplex was stopped after 2 years), and I walked her everyday so that she would place more weight on the affected leg, and her luxating patella was healed WITHOUT surgery or ever having a brace. I also give her turmeric for inflammation, so I'm sure that helped, too.
For anyone that’s deciding on getting TPLO surgery done on their dogs leg I strongly suggest you DONT !! our dogs quality of life is awful now even 2 years after the surgery. He has more problems with his leg now that he did before. Listen to this vet here he speaks the truth!!!!
I’m sorry to hear that! That’s what I’m worried about. My dog hurt hers as well and she is 11 years old and active Pitbull. It’s been about a month and she is somewhat better but still toe touching to walk. I’m still going to give it some time and see how she does as I am worried about this surgery.
@@mary_asmr5any update ?
@@Tttttttttttttttt484 well she was doing Pretty good, walking normal but had to hop to run. But then she fell over my other dog last week and now we are almost at square one again. I’m going to call ortho and see if I can At least get her a brace.
My dog had knee surgery when he was 8 years old. It took 3 months to heal, being restricted, only on leash walks until he was OK again. First day of off leash in the backyard the other knee went. Another surgery, another 3 months until everything was healed. He's now almost 14 years old. He's doing well. He's still jumping in the car, on the couch, walking stairs. The recovery of the second surgery was better, different surgeon. It was hard for six month keeping him confined and quiet but it was worth it. I'm grateful for every day we have with him.
I had a big black lab who looked just like this one - and when I did acupressure on him he was so happy and relaxed, that - yep - he looked dead, but he was just blissfully resting. My dogs love acupressure, and it sure makes them mellow and well adjusted, all the time!
It is obvious that the dog isn't dead. Dead dogs, or any dead being actually, do not blink!
The dog in the video is his own dog (I think anyway). He uses him as a cadaver dog a lot in his videos, so the dog is just resting, and waiting till he is allowed back up. The dog obviously trusts him, and he knows that his owner wants him to stay there. He is simply a well trained, loyal, and very much alive, dog.
+Kristin Baker or he is given a sedative. Just putting that out there :)
what if my dog already was diagnosed with the drawer sign? would this treatment still work
Is this dog on the table asleep??
Truly grateful for Part 1 and Part 2 after my 14 year old dog ruptured her ACL. It will undoubtedly be a long recovery, but your suggestions and education helps me feel more confident doing the best for her given surgery is not a viable option (her age being a factor). Thank you Dr. Jones!
How is she?
I need a massage too ! Is that a real dog ???? My yorkie tore his 2months ago and surgery is not an option ( too expensive) he acts like nothing is wrong and ne does not show any pain whasoever,he walks on the other three and does stairs with no problem. He is on vet. suppliment for the time being. It does'nt seem to bother him at all. I hope with time he will regain the total use of his knee. Thank you for this information and showing step by step how to do home therapy as an option.
You're welcome. Hope he gets better.
That is the most chill dog ever
Dr. Jones, what is your opinion of Adaquan injections?
Good option- I also use to give them in vet practice
Hello Doctor.Jones, could you please let me know the link that I can order cruciate brace for my dog? We are in Australia. My dog has suffered this for one week now and I prefer no surgery if possible and found your videos.
Can this work for a torn ACL? My vet is recommending surgery but my dog is almost 10 and im scared for surgery. Plus its been a week and a half already and we have been making her rest and she can now put a little pressure on it.
Hi Dr Jones- thank you for this information. I have a 13 year old tall, thin, 40lb foster dog with a history of cruciate repair / both stifles. He started limping, progressed to sometimes walking on three legs, and is now limping in his other leg and walking with a slightly lower back and wide stance. The rescue wants me to have him rest and wait to see if he gets better, but he has now had two “episodes” of whining/pacing/panting, and seems to me to be in pain…this started two weeks ago, and I added cbd after his last episode, which helped after about 45 minutes. I really think he needs to be seen, but the rescue thinks it is arthritis? He is on galliprant, Gabapentin, glucosamine…and I added cbd…does arthritis really do this in senior dogs?
Thank you!
Vicki
Dr. Jones I watched Video one and this one is even better! I thank you again for the relief, the clarity and the hope I feel at knowing that there is something I can at least try if I am not able to get surgery for my precious friend. Feeling hopeless for an animal in your charge is devastating. YOU are truly a gift. I am going to get started with laser focus and dedication... will keep your posted. Donna
thank you for your helpful channel , i have had my dog rupture 2 CCL s and rehabbed without surgery ,she is almost 11 now and not 100% but but with supplements is living a happy life .
also i wanted to ask you do you have a clinic in Nelson my daughter is moving there shortly with her dog and it would be nice to have a more holistic option available
Lewis gets any more relaxed and he'll stop breathing.
My dog is experiencing a bit more pain than that
That Doggo is so chill
Thank you. This is so helpful
I heard Lewis is now hooked on downers.
Dr. my dog has a ACL fissure that gives her a great deal of pain after playing on the beach with other dogs or simply jumping out of some high stand. I have watched your 2nd video and I am happy to give her Fish oi 1000mg / 10lbs of weight. She is almost 62 pounds meaning 6000mg daily. is that good enough along with massaging her leg and keeping her less active to heal the ACL?
Hi, This may also be an injured meniscus which would need surgery. I would suggest a vet exam
Hello Dr. Jones,. My 10 lb Yorkie injured his left ACL My vet didn't"t seem to think that a brace would help in the healing process.. What are your thoughts ? Thank you
Hi Ruth,
Being a small breed, the idea of not having surgery is a good option. I think a well fitted brace can stabilize the knee and aid in healing
and do you put the brace on after?
I need help, my dog is big but in shape he got hurt maybe a vehicle hit him idk, but he’s got a very sore shoulder, I felt it and it feels very swollen and we don’t have vets here we are in a remote community and plane ride is an hour out, anyway my dog is not happy he’s hurting but walks ( barely) idk what to use for pain on him and if I do send him out I will have to surrender him to a foster rescue ppl and I don’t really wants to, do u think he can heal? Without surgery his shoulder feels like it’s pushed in and swollen. Please what can I do to help him and heal him, I know it will take time but I’m willing to do it and nurse him bak go health, what can I use to keep his front shoulder still and comfortable and for pain ?
He’s just about 3 yrs old and he’s healthy he’s eating drinking fine and using washroom fine
My border collie lab mix (mostly border in build and size) has a torn acl. We are waiting for a custom brace for both legs. In the meantime, she cannot understand why she can't go for our walk run every day and it's very hard to get her to stay quiet. She does limp around the house and often won't wait for her leash and will dash on the stairs etc. By limited, is she doing too much?
No- you are keeping her well confined
Thank you!
I have a 5 year old husky how is tx different for a partial tear not a full tear she is getting dasuquin, NSaids and cage rest she would not walk on it at all at first she has been on cage rest except for being on a leash to go out, she now is putting some weight on it but is still lame and tremors with full weight when should I start the acupressure, ROm and massage? also if I go with the brace would I get the med or large she is 53 pounds and not over weight at all? should the ROM be done to both legs?
How is your dog now? please let us know, I have a beagle with full tear ACL , I want to try this treatment, but I'm not sure if I should wait too much.
Thanks so much for this instructional video. I'm gonna watch it a few more times . . b/c my dog is not nearly as patient as your xlnt model . . . She's gonna insist that I know what I'm doing - and that I get it right the first time. . . lol
That's good to hear, I'm glad you find it helpful:)
Thanks for your time on the very informative video's. One question...is laser therapy a legitimate treatment, and if so how many sessions should be done? Thanks again
Thanks- It may be- I did not see it help much, but others claim it does
Dr.Jones, thanks for sharing some helpful tips and ideas.
Where is your office located at?
Hi- currently at a local coffee shop :-)
Excellent instruction thank you for the good work. that is one uptight dog you have there lol
You're most welcome!
My 4.5 yr old boxer mix was diagnosed with a choroid plexus brain tumor 3 weeks ago. He went thru SRS radiation treatments last week. On night 2 he started limping and 2 days ago was diagnosed with a CCL rupture grade 4. Because of the brain tumor he's not a candidate for surgery. Our guess is that all the anesthesia for 3 days made him so out of it he ruptured his knee. For 2 months prior to the brain tumor diagnosis he kept getting diagnosed with possible IVDD (which turned out not to be true, it's the tumor) so was on strict bedrest. Now after the diagnosis he's on Prednisone to control the tumor swelling. He's lost all his muscle mass from those 2 things combined and lost 9 pounds (75 pounds down to 66 pounds) and I'm guessing this had something to do with the injury. He also needs to use the bathroom and drink water numerous times a day due to the steroids. My primary vet said NOT to bed rest him because I need to build his muscles back up and we have started laser treatments and advised for me to increase food intake to keep his weight up. I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing, but bed rest is so hard because the constant need to drink and pee. I was thinking about going to a rehab place for hydrotherapy and maybe a leg brace. My question is...is bed rest right or wrong with all his losing of muscle mass from last time? Also, would a brace help? I read some things saying they are useless. Would the hydrotherapy help? I'm so overwhelmed right now with all the issues happening so fast but his prognosis is "several years" with medical intervention for the tumor since its most likely benign and slow growing. I'd happily go bankrupt to see my baby well as long as possible but I need to put the money where it helps most because money is not unlimited. He might need a brain shunt as some point to keep his CSF fluid controlled. I love him so much, and I don't want his last several years to include leg pain. Please please help me understand how to heal this best!
Hi and so sorry to hear this. In the short term you need to focus on decreasing knee swelling, and controlling the pain. I would suggest short term rest, getting a brace, and considering the hydrotherapy. The prednisone can weaken the ligaments making them more prone to injury. Laser is a good option. Consider oral and topical CBD/THC
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Thank you so much for the reply and the info. I finally secured an appt today for possible brace/hydrotherapy but the soonest appt they had was the second week of November. I also found out this is the quickest I can get a cast made for fitting of his brace, since this is the only place in the whole state that does this. I will still look for a place to do the hydrotherapy sooner than that but everyone is so booked up. The last place told me they couldn't take him until January! We are continuing with the laser treatment from my primary vet. We did one today and we have 2 more left. Not sure what they will suggest next. I'd like to start the cosequin, fish oil, and tumeric and I also have started researching cbd oil. All except the cosequin is supposed to also help the tumor. I'm not sure how you feel about fish oil or tumeric. I've given fish oil/vit e/cosequin combo to my arthritis dog a few years back who has since passed from old age and I had great results. But for my current dog I'm not supposed to start any supplements until my next appt with the neurologist which is the first week of October. I'm getting antsy. I'd like to just start them. We will continue not letting him jump. Still trying to keep him from the couch and on his Ortho bed. We had bought him a Big Barker bed when we still thought he had IVDD, before the tumor diagnosis. Since that was the top rated Ortho bed I could find. Also supposed to not have chemicals in the foam. I'm hoping even if November is the soonest I can start hydrotherapy that it won't be too late to make a difference. Again, thank you for the reply. I had left a comment in another vets video for this injury after I left a comment here, (I won't name names) and was disappointed with the reply of "consult with your vets for the best option". Obviously I'm consulting with vets but I always feel that second opinion or different options are golden so thank you! I've watched your videos a lot in the past and I feel you're very knowledgeable. I appreciate your input!
Also I forgot to mention he's on Gabapentin for the pain, since he can't have an anti inflammatory because of the prednisone he's on.
Can you get these supplements all online without prescriptions?
Hi there, you can purchase my first supplement here: www.thedogsupplement.com/ no prescription necessary :)
here is the link for the brace I like as well: orthodog.com/
Dr. Jones, I have a foster pup that has this in both knees and the rear left leg is atrophied. Would this benefit her? If not what would be the best course of action to help her?
If due to bilateral ACL injury, then it may. Main thing is treating underlying arthritis if that is present.
@@VeterinarySecrets She is about 3 they think and the vet that diagnosed her with this didn't say she had arthritis. She was hugely neglected, we believe kept in too small spaces, possibly abused and possibly fought. We think this due to scars etc... She is just now putting some weight on.
Thank you so much for your time and help!
@@HvnsFire Welcome!
How is your dog so still?
He was a great dog!
Hello,
I wish I would have read this site before going to the vet (more so to ask questions)
Here is my situation -
Age 5.5 to 6 months super active puppy lab mix 50 pounds - everyone says there is some great dane in him. . We took X-rays and vet recommended surgery to repair a suspected partial tear of ACL. He came to the conclusion during manipulation tests where the dog has pain when moving specifically quote "sensitivity noted on manipulation of right stifle when cranial drawer performed" He did say something about the x-ray that points to ACL problem but I don't see it on the medical report
All other skelitol structures hips & joints are fine,
Although I am trying to rest him now ( nearly impossible)My dog runs fine and can scale over 4' objects etc.. run through thick brush etc.., He appears to be fine How do we really know there is a rupture? I feel since he is active and showing no signs of injury, could we proceed with non- surgical options? if anyone has questions, or advice about this situation, please comment ..
Oh, how it happened - we were in a dog park ( big mistake) and he was literally run over by two large dogs running at full speed. Jake ( my dog) did not move out of the way in time before the other dogs crushed his legs.. He was holding up his leg, walking on 3 legs & I carried him into the truck.. the next day he was chasing squirrels
Hello I have a very similar case to yours. How is he now compared to when you originally posted this? What course of action did or didn't you take?
@@aw9144 jake is fine no surgey gosh i posted this years ago. No issue whatsoever.. give it a chance to heal before putting a dog through hell
If i remeber correctly we just walked him for a few weeks. Monitored it and it appears to have been a strain.
@@MichaelAnthony-rf7qi Thank you for the update. I don't think Sadie and I ever took it easy after she had her injury 2 years ago. She went back to "chasing squirrels" again within a couple days. She was great with no symptoms up until this summer when I noticed she didn't care to go on any big hikes anymore. Only a mile in and she'd turn back. There is some light footedness on the right side occasionally. We may try to give her a chance to actually take it easy for a month with no extended walks, hikes or straining activity and see where she is instead of - as you said, putting her thru all that. Here is a video of her walking at the park yesterday. I have a hard time thinking she needs some major surgery after seeing it, maybe not just yet.
ruclips.net/user/shorts1nG_cgFGXpw
@@aw9144 looks good to me, i wouldnt touch her until MRI was done. Get several opinions. We have 20 something vets all over our city and they need to pay their student loans off lol. I am never against medicine or surgery if really needed. Vet industry is horrible My nieghbors dog is on Zoloft, and anither anti amxiety pill My opinion is the dog simply needs excersize not pills. Good luck Jake is going on 5 and ive loaded him up on MSM joint things to perehaps prevent issues when her gets older
Where can I buy the brace?
Hi,
Here is one company..orthodog.com/index.cfm/products/cruciate-care-knee-brace/
Thank you!