I dont think he realizes that this movie is based on a Broadway musical written by Stephen Sondheim, not just another movie written by a group of shitty writers. He doesn't get the jokes so he calls them sins. Also the narrator played a much better role on the stage. Fuck Disney they ruin everything beautiful. Stay in your own lane lol.
@Ryan Bechard Really though. You're right. Nothing really matters anyway. No one's going to read this 10 years from now. These exchanges in RUclips comments are pointless. No one ever sees anything on here that changes their opinions for the better. There is nothing truly useful about any of this. Everyone just puts their opinion out and that's that. They only choose to see things that support their opinion or things they disagree with. They don't dive deeper to discover to ask why people believe what they believe. We can't respect other's opinions even if to us they are a little wonky sometimes. Everyone stays the same. There is no catalyst for change. Or maybe there is but people in general might not want to see it. I dont know, I'm not a doctor. Between you me and the birds, I have no idea why I even wrote that comment in the first place; or even all of this lawlz. It's all so trivial anyway. Man life sucks a lot more these days than it used to.
Little Red was always a teenager in the play, which made her interactions with the Wolf come across a lot different. He's still predatory, but it's more about her learning how to navigate and take care of herself around that kind of energy. Somehow or other, Disney thought it would be LESS creepy and scandalous if she's literally a little girl.
So I’m pretty sure it’s written like that on purpose, the first have is childhood fantasy problems, the second half is adult problems with unexpected death and adultery. Cause it’s all about how all the characters go from children to adults
Yes, but there are elements of musicals that just are odd for a film. When adapting a musical, it's the job of the director to make changes to make the adaptation transition well to the big screen. Examples: playing for the back row and the narrator talking every 5 seconds. Sweeney Todd did this successfully, best exemplified in Epiphany. Where there is a 4th wall break involving addressing the audience for further intimidation, there is a delusion/hallucination that keeps the plot of the musical sensible but doesn't stick out/ seem out of place.
Okay look, the narrator in the musical is great. Why? Cause all the characters get sick of him, and he gets killed off halfway through act 2. Hes an actual character and its a really fun way of approaching a traditional narration of a fairy tale. The film however, cuts this completely :((((((
In my forth grade, when it came out, we were all acting out scenes at recess. Agony was the most popular and teachers had to ban it because all the boys kept ripping off their whole shirts...
BubbatheScrub Stephen Sondheim is considered a modern musical Shakespeare: his complex melodies and clever wordplay in his lyrics are more than comparable. The point is that he said “someone was payed to feel clever for writing this line” but he’s incorrect. Sondheim’s brilliant use of alliteration is one of his most notable traits, because it adds emphasis to the character’s desire, all through singing. He is a fantastic and purposeful lyricist and composer.
Having James Cordon as narrator effectively made one of the funniest scenes in the play impossible to recreate... when the whole thing breaks the third wall!
As for why Cinderella and the prince were separated in the second half, you're right. One part was cut out of the film. The Baker, his wife, and Jack go to the palace to tell the prince about the giant, as in the stage version, the Giant doesn't enter until after the wedding, at the start of Act 2. The Prince goes out to find, and slay, the giant, leaving Cinderella alone.
Honestly, 4:32 has a good point! In the musical, the narrator served a purpose by being pushed into the giant's arms. Whereas in the movie, because the narrator is James Corden, it would make no sense for the narrator to die, making it seem unreasonable for the baker to become the narrator at the end of the movie. the reason for the Baker's Wife ending up in the wrong story is also unexplained when you don't kill off the narrator. Overall, Disney changing what happens to the narrator ultimately ruins anything past the first giant dying.
13:55 The heavier an object is, the harder it falls. So it is not at all unusual for the giant to die from that fall. In fact, you should have sinned the fact that the giant's body didn't explode. Elephants can die if they fall further than their own height, whereas an ant could probably survive if dropped from an airplane.
There's technically no "original version" of Cinderella, or indeed, a lot of traditional fairytales. They were usually part of an oral folk tradition, and tended to vary a lot depending on the place, time period, who was doing the telling. However, the version most people would be most familiar with is the Perrault version, which predates the Grimm's version by several hundred years.
That's like saying that the number 1 doesn't exist, because none of the numbers that come _after_ it are the number 1. It takes some real _guts_ (but not brains) to say something like that.
Already watched this last time. If I remember correctly, there's just way too many, "It's a musical!", "Another song?!", and "Why are they singing this instead of saying it?!" moments. The musical is structured in a way that that the songs advances the plot, and let the characters express themselves in a way that normal dialog doesn't allow. The moments of clever wordplay (also not meant for regular dialog) are also a highlight of those musical numbers.
Trust me, this works far better as a stage musical. I wish that Hollywood could just let plays be plays without trying to turn everything into a movie even if the story wasn't written in a way that suits the medium.
This would be a great, informative comment that would merit removing all the sins, except: The source material doesn't exist. Ever. Except for the one time it did. But that was so he could make an "It's over 9000!" joke.
agreed. The baker's wife did not instantly become 9 months pregnant. There was a passing of time where the characters were getting restless in their happily ever afters.
@@Solmaz_S he shouldn't sin the movie without at least a little background - he's sinning it for copying Tangled, which was written about 25 years after this musical...
"Baker confronts Darth Vader on Dagobah, because this is one of the final tests before becoming a jedi at leavening bread" I absolutely lost it at this part
Anna Fuelberth the tale of Rapunzel dates back to 1812....and Disney had plans of making a Rapunzel movie however it was nearly just an idea and old scraps of work until they revised the idea for the 2011 movie.
Love Nellie03 Yeah, I totally understand and agree with that, but I just was commenting on the fact that he referenced Tangled specifically (like instead of referencing just the story of Rapunzel.) It was honestly just funny to me😂
@@VladtheImpaler_99 "This reply interrupts the reply that interrupts the comment that interrupts the narrator interrupting the narrator interrupting Anna Kendrick."
Pixies Ostrich Duster wait like.... do you think this came first? This musical came out way before this terrible movie... thats like believing post Malone made Ozzy Osborn famous
@@meowstaboy9782 no pixies does not think this. she has never seen the stage version and now feels she will not be able to enjoy it with the aftertaste of the movie still lingering in her mind
@@nikolaydavydov9920 the script for the movie is actually missing around at least 30% of the plot from the musical, probably to make the runtime under 2 hours, which is why the second half of the movie goes so much off the rails without any reason. Believe me, the musical puts way more effort into developing the characters and story in a way that makes sense and doesn't come out of nowhere
I love how like he takes everything that is a joke/the whole purpose in the musical (Jack being dumb, princes being dickheads, the fairytale elements being ridiculous cliches, etc) and just... sins it as if it was completely unintentional. Like, sir, that was the point.
Uh, the rapunzel part in the swamp is actually straight out of the original tale 😂, except, she was 13 and pregnant in it too, I understand why those parts were left out Edit: the Prince was also blind and gained his sight back after he met her again
I think that part is included in the original musical, although it never directly states her age. I remember her being pregnant with twins and the prince being blind
It was a desert in the original tale and the musical,I have no idea why they changed it into a swamp OR WHY THEY CUT OUT RAPUNZEL'S DEATH WHICH IS WHAT MOTIVATES THE WITCH TO GIVE JACK TO THE GIANT SO THAT NO MORE LIFE'S WILL BE LOST, MAKING HER GAIN INDEPENDENCE AND RIDE OFF INTO THE SUNSET MAKES THE WITCH'S ACTIONS COME OFF AS SELFISH RATHER THAN COMPASSIONATE AND REASONABLE 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 AAAAAAAAAHHHHH!? THIS MOVIE SUUUUUUUUUCKS!.. !!! 👹😫😤
*Narrator:* Cinderella had planted a grave of her mother and she visited there so often, and wept so much, that her tears watered it until it had become a magnificent tree. *Jeremy:* What?! *Me:* Yeah... that is pretty stupid.
Excuse me *Wat* it took like 8 years for the sapling to planted in my garden to grow like 1.5 metres tall and her’s apparently becomes a towering tree with her damn tears alone...
A decent amount of this movie was based off of the brothers grim stories so when he says Disney during those parts that is incorrect RIP Also I saw a play on this at Liberty High School and that made my expectations for this movie super high but I’ve seen it and it was disappointing RIP
Yes, this is the comment I came to find!! I'm actually mad at so many of these comments saying "he doesn't need to know the background of the musical because the movie should make sense on it's own" like he does if he's going to critique something for copying Tangled, despite the fact it was written 25 years before 🙄
I miss Sondheim. Such an amazing composer who made beautiful music. Edit: Also fun fact, Donna Murphy played as Mother Gothel in Tangled and she also played as the Witch in a production of Into The Woods. So kind of a nice tie-in.
I laughed so hard when Emily Blunt was like, "A baker for bread and a Prince for...whatever!!" Like, "Same, girl!!" The line is so out of nowhere, I couldn't help but laugh.
it's not out of nowhere!!! Need I say- it was in the original. It also matches the TONE of the original (which is basically a comedy). this movie butchered it and then people like you are (rightfully) confused about certain things not fitting or making much sense. There are tons of jokes like this in the stage musical they just randomly kept only like 5 in the movie
this is why you always watch the Musical before the movie, then instead of sinning the story itself for things the movie failed to translate, you can sin the movie for sucking at translating. I despise that they played all the jokes striaght in this, made this standard fairytail instead of mocking towards fairytales, casted two little kids as characters who were ment to be older teens (and thus making some stuff more pervy that originally intended) failed to kill off the narrator, and cut several songs out- half of which were importaint.
Part of it is that a lot was cut for time and/or format differences between live stage and film. Each act of the play is about a full hour, and has a beginning middle and end, which works in a play, since the acts are broken up by an intermission, but in film, but doesn't work nearly as well in a movie format. (I do agree that the cuts hurt the story though)
@@megelizabeth9492 Yeah, but the run time of the stage show isn't an excuse. Many movies these days run over 2 hours. This wasn't a movie for kids that needed to be 90 minutes. And with a 15 intermission, the stage musical runs 2 hours 50 minutes give or take. So that would have been a 2 hour 35 minute movie.
I think the biggest issue was the format differences between movies and stage shows. Into the woods, like a lot of Sondheim plays, is based around a two act structure, which for the most part is unique to live theatre. When you try that in a film without intermission, it usually just feels overstuffed and long.
The narrator is in the film because it was in the stage adaptation, where it was an actual person stepping on and off stage to narrate. He becomes useful in act 2, when the giant asks for Jack, and they start looking for someone to feed to the giant. The narrator finally gets noticed, and in a moment of sheer perfect comedy and breaking of the fourth wall, the characters capture him and feed him to the giant, after some hesitation, as without him, they won't know how the story plays out.
3:13 Which is why it's not a good idea to do a stage musical as a film and make it look like a film. Even Sondheim had thought of that. As for why he allowed this? Well, I guess he felt Lapine could use some extra cash...
TBH, the songs and characters they cut really fuck with this whole movie. In the show, Act 1 ends with the song Ever After about how great everything is and then there is an intermission during which a time jump occurs and then Act 2 opens with a song called So Happy where all the character try to convince themselves that they are happy despite all the little things that are going wrong. It sets up all of the dissatisfaction with the new status quo and eventual infidelity in the second half. The big character they cut is the narrator. In the show it's a different character from the Baker. When the characters first confront the giant they pull him from outside the story and give him to the giant. It provides a sense that a threshold has been crossed from everything being planned out in a storybook to things being unplanned and sets up some of the twists and turns in Act 2.
I enjoyed Into The Woods. The only part that made me feel uncomfortable was Johnny Depp's character playing the wolf towards Lil red riding Hood. The rest of the movie was great!
The Wolf is supposed to be a 'predator' as in like a sexual predator... in the OG 1988 Broadway they legit gave his costume a dick... it's so freaking disturbing that this version is something I very much prefer
Oh let me tell you about that confusing and complex intro: my school did into the woods for our school play and it took us months to actually get it right
When that witch said “he was stealing from me raping me” raping actually means stealing too But I’d still give it a sin since she had to say stealing twice
No I kind of like it. It’s got a good idea of giving more backstory and putting the stories together. I think they just tried to put in too much and didn’t think about how they were putting it together. Other than being a lot in almost 2 hours I thinks it’s great, especially with all the great actors and actresses.
I enjoyed it, but i definitely agree that it would have been better with a higher maturity rating. Also, it seems feels a little loosely ended, and some of the deaths were kind of dumb
On its own I think I would've liked it but I've seen the original Broadway production on RUclips and it's just so much better and they messed up sk much in this movie that I can't like the movie
"Actors are playing for the back row, which is odd considering we're in a movie theater right now." Well... At least something in this movie is accurate to the source material. (I actually do like the movie. Just... not as much as the show.)
14:06 The world should stop time EVERYTIME Anna Kendrick does ANYTHING. Time is the most important thing in the universe... second only to the perfection that is Anna Kendrick... ...and me finding a non-illegal way to make her my girlfriend.
4:34 Because, in the original stage version, the narrator is on stage with a fairy tale book. It was a comedy back then. Another reason this shouldn't have been made into a film. We already had a live taping of the show for sale already. Disney, as usual, fucks things up.
The title of this episode should be “Cinema sins complaining about his restraining order against him by Anna Kendrick”
BustANut Cheerios lol 😂
WOW Amazing. I love this
More Like:''Anna,What The Hell Have You Done?''
I guess I'm kinda off topic but do anyone know a good place to stream new movies online ?
@Fletcher Jax definitely, I've been using Flixzone for months myself :)
“Well that was pointless... Sometimes a person in the woods is just a person in the woods”.. I guess”😂best part of the video
Never Fear Fate I sung that and actually tried 😂
Lol err oic
Lol epic*
*The first four words in your comment* were what I said after seeing this movie in class as a “fun lesson”
I was just about to comment that lmao
“hello little girl”
*KNOCK* *KNOCK*
“FBI OPEN UP”
That’s the point of the song. I don’t know why he’s sinning that.
That's the vibe when they met lol. It was weird
XD
Omg hahaha
That song scared me for all the wrong reasons
Basically, he hates musicals. Major sins include, Anna Kendrick being hot, being true to the actual fairy tale, and singing in a musical. hmm.
Kelsey Redford
Anna Kendrick = awesome
I dont think he realizes that this movie is based on a Broadway musical written by Stephen Sondheim, not just another movie written by a group of shitty writers. He doesn't get the jokes so he calls them sins. Also the narrator played a much better role on the stage. Fuck Disney they ruin everything beautiful. Stay in your own lane lol.
@Ryan Bechard Really though. You're right. Nothing really matters anyway. No one's going to read this 10 years from now. These exchanges in RUclips comments are pointless. No one ever sees anything on here that changes their opinions for the better. There is nothing truly useful about any of this. Everyone just puts their opinion out and that's that. They only choose to see things that support their opinion or things they disagree with. They don't dive deeper to discover to ask why people believe what they believe. We can't respect other's opinions even if to us they are a little wonky sometimes. Everyone stays the same. There is no catalyst for change. Or maybe there is but people in general might not want to see it. I dont know, I'm not a doctor. Between you me and the birds, I have no idea why I even wrote that comment in the first place; or even all of this lawlz. It's all so trivial anyway. Man life sucks a lot more these days than it used to.
James Adams-Leal I think you’re have a crisis😂😂
“To the actual fairie tale” which one
Little Red was always a teenager in the play, which made her interactions with the Wolf come across a lot different. He's still predatory, but it's more about her learning how to navigate and take care of herself around that kind of energy. Somehow or other, Disney thought it would be LESS creepy and scandalous if she's literally a little girl.
Yup and don't forget the occasional fake penis in the play
Well Disney had cast an actual young girl as Red Riding Hood, but changed their minds and instead cast the teenage girl we see in the film.
See this is why we had a 16 play the wolf and a ten year old in our community theatre production of it
Well she IS supposed to be a young girl just gone into pupertiy.
@@sawanna508 is that not a teenager technically ? Or at least a pre teen.
The entire second half of the movie seemed like a fever dream to me
@chobopanda I've always heard that if schools where doing this musical they would always end it on the first half.
So I’m pretty sure it’s written like that on purpose, the first have is childhood fantasy problems, the second half is adult problems with unexpected death and adultery. Cause it’s all about how all the characters go from children to adults
When my school did it we only did the first act so it ended with everybody’s happy endings :)
Rookee Alding so when my school did it we did both acts and it lasted 3 hours. Also most of the audience left at the intermission which was hilarious.
@@Jetticus1 I think the term for that is bildungsroman, although I don't think I spelled it right
"How big are these woods anyway? Like, an acre?"
You could say... a hundred acre? That would make this a real cross-over.
Cinderella gets completely fucking gored by lions and tigers and bears (oh my)to make it a three way
It hurts me when he sins something that’s completely normal in the musical.
...but...it's funny...
Zachary Frazer yes
Yes, but there are elements of musicals that just are odd for a film. When adapting a musical, it's the job of the director to make changes to make the adaptation transition well to the big screen. Examples: playing for the back row and the narrator talking every 5 seconds. Sweeney Todd did this successfully, best exemplified in Epiphany. Where there is a 4th wall break involving addressing the audience for further intimidation, there is a delusion/hallucination that keeps the plot of the musical sensible but doesn't stick out/ seem out of place.
That’s kinda...the point
Relatable
2:26 he was robbing me.... RRRRAPING ME
me: *spits out drink*
The actual lyrics are "Robbing me, Raving me, Rooting through my rutabaga, etc."
Tanaka Tashert no the right lyric is raping not sure where you’re getting your information
I looked at the lyrics to the song. She was actually saying," He was robbing me, raving me."
Lol
I wouldn’t be surprised even if she did get raped, because that’s what the wolf does/would do but they left that out because it’s a kids movie
In the play, the characters have enough of the narrator, blame him for all their troubles, and decide to kill him.
wait what that sounds so cool
@@lightp1101 Yeah, they sacrifice him at the beginning of the second act
@@lightp1101 it's really funny. There's a version on youtube of the original stage actors. Look it up, you won't regret it
based
I wonder if he had removed sins for that
Okay look, the narrator in the musical is great. Why? Cause all the characters get sick of him, and he gets killed off halfway through act 2. Hes an actual character and its a really fun way of approaching a traditional narration of a fairy tale. The film however, cuts this completely :((((((
And this is why it doesn't end in a happy ending. They killed the narrator before he could swing the story back around to it.
The narrator doesn't die. James Cordon is the narrator
@@TheCumberCoIlective They're talking about the play...not the movie. The movie sucks.
And that was the best part! Definitely sticking with the 1991 version. Prefer Bernadette Peters as the witch anyway . . .
then the sin is having to "read the book"
The Baker's Wife: I need that shoe to have a child.
Cinderella: That makes no sense.
Cinderella would be amazing at CinemaSins.
11:10 So would the witch
David Delgado my favourite line in the musical and film (I was in a production but then Corona cancelled it. I played the witch)
They completely botched the scene but sure whatever🥴
Cinemasins would be very proud of you.
Also, DING.
In my forth grade, when it came out, we were all acting out scenes at recess. Agony was the most popular and teachers had to ban it because all the boys kept ripping off their whole shirts...
That's hilarious and i wish something like that happened at my school 😅
LMAO
LMAO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN FUNNY!
ahaha this brings back memories, me and my best friend used to duet 'Agony' all the time at school.
Given that Agony is one of my favorite songs from this musical because it's so dumb, I just burst out laughing thats hilarious
“I bet there’s a Home Depot in the woods”😂😂😂🙌🏾
Lol I like that line
All that lumber, and no nails.
_“Is that Johnny _*_gawddamn_*_ Depp?”_
The same question I asked in this movie..
Funniest part
its like he shapeshifts hes that good
Lmao 🤣
You should have done a bonus round for singing or saying "into the woods".
I'm quite disappointed there wasn't a bonus round tbh. There hasn't been one is ages
James Corrigan well to be granted this is a re-upload, but I agree
thomasfplm that’s not fair since it’s the ROLL CREDITS line. 😁
That may have broken the sin counter...but I 100000% agree
TheCumberCoIlective little red alone would of broken it
“Someone got paid to feel clever for writing this line.”
Stephen Sondheim....wrote it.....
Indeed. If we're sinning this movie, it should be for being a subpar adaptation of a Broadway classic.
Oh, okay. Did you have a point?
BubbatheScrub Stephen Sondheim is considered a modern musical Shakespeare: his complex melodies and clever wordplay in his lyrics are more than comparable. The point is that he said “someone was payed to feel clever for writing this line” but he’s incorrect. Sondheim’s brilliant use of alliteration is one of his most notable traits, because it adds emphasis to the character’s desire, all through singing. He is a fantastic and purposeful lyricist and composer.
I swear that’s exactly what I was saying in my head. Lol. Respect the Sondheim!
This whole thing is “ugh.” You can’t call a fucking MUSICAL bad for having SINGING
You can't just sin a Sondheim lyric for being "clever" That itself is a sin
kkolbuc exactly!!! He annoyed me with this one. Movie? Subpar. Show itself? Fantastic!
Meowsta Boi Well I guess that’s why he’s a movie critic and not a music critic. He clearly doesn’t understand good lyricism
I literally paused the video and said out loud "HIS NAME IS SONDHEIM YOU PHILISTINE!"
kkolbuc YES IT IS
*ding*
I wish he knew that in the musical they literally feed the narrator to the giant... iconic...
not having a narrator is just one of the many many adaptation flaws
100 sins removed
“This movie that made no sense now makes infinite negative sense.” Hahahaha
On that I agree with him tbh- the Witch just commits ritual seppuku cus she's fed up?? Isn't she a stone cold killer lol
The hills are alive, with the sound of
AGONY!!!!!!!!!
😂😂😂
Agony that can cut like a knife
rofl.... this comment got me good.
You wrote this 4 years ago, but it made me laugh so hard I almost choked.
"It's that Johnny goddamn Depp?"
That made me laugh so ugly and i don't even know why 😂😂
Poor Johnny! ☹️
Having James Cordon as narrator effectively made one of the funniest scenes in the play impossible to recreate... when the whole thing breaks the third wall!
that guy is crap
@@DrWhom bit rude...
And feeding to the narrator to the Giant!
Yes, when they feed the narrator to the giant 😂😂
Deb Wilborn it’s the fourth wall but yes valid point😂
As for why Cinderella and the prince were separated in the second half, you're right. One part was cut out of the film. The Baker, his wife, and Jack go to the palace to tell the prince about the giant, as in the stage version, the Giant doesn't enter until after the wedding, at the start of Act 2. The Prince goes out to find, and slay, the giant, leaving Cinderella alone.
But all of that is in the film what was cut out of it then?
Honestly, 4:32 has a good point! In the musical, the narrator served a purpose by being pushed into the giant's arms. Whereas in the movie, because the narrator is James Corden, it would make no sense for the narrator to die, making it seem unreasonable for the baker to become the narrator at the end of the movie. the reason for the Baker's Wife ending up in the wrong story is also unexplained when you don't kill off the narrator. Overall, Disney changing what happens to the narrator ultimately ruins anything past the first giant dying.
Exactly. The narrator is a stand-in for order.
Anna Kendrick isn’t giving me a lap dance in this scene
*ding*
Anna Kendrick isn’t my mediaeval wife in this scene
*ding*
anyone else not find anna kendrick attractive?
jared price even the witch?
@@ridgefrost Good somebody said it. I thought I was the only one.
@jared price literally 2 of the main characters are children!
13:55 The heavier an object is, the harder it falls. So it is not at all unusual for the giant to die from that fall. In fact, you should have sinned the fact that the giant's body didn't explode. Elephants can die if they fall further than their own height, whereas an ant could probably survive if dropped from an airplane.
"maybe this movie is darker than I thought" oh honey you have another thing coming if you see the full musical this is based on
The Mortal Fool do I want to know what musical it’s based on
@@naan000 It's called Into the Woods and it's by Sondheim. Imo, it's one of his best - if you're a fan of musicals you should check it out 😊
@@naan000 The whole musical is on RUclips!
@@DramaQueenD I hate musicals and i love it. But i hate this adaptation.
“Is that Johnny gawddamn Depp?”
The same question I asked in this movie..
Jeremy sinning the Cinderella story for being closer to the OG Cinderella story than the Disney version bugged me to no end
There's technically no "original version" of Cinderella, or indeed, a lot of traditional fairytales. They were usually part of an oral folk tradition, and tended to vary a lot depending on the place, time period, who was doing the telling. However, the version most people would be most familiar with is the Perrault version, which predates the Grimm's version by several hundred years.
That's like saying that the number 1 doesn't exist, because none of the numbers that come _after_ it are the number 1. It takes some real _guts_ (but not brains) to say something like that.
Already watched this last time.
If I remember correctly, there's just way too many, "It's a musical!", "Another song?!", and "Why are they singing this instead of saying it?!" moments.
The musical is structured in a way that that the songs advances the plot, and let the characters express themselves in a way that normal dialog doesn't allow. The moments of clever wordplay (also not meant for regular dialog) are also a highlight of those musical numbers.
Trust me, this works far better as a stage musical. I wish that Hollywood could just let plays be plays without trying to turn everything into a movie even if the story wasn't written in a way that suits the medium.
21:00
“It’s like a whole part of the story got cut”
YES IT DID!!! A BIG chunk of the musical was cut. Watch the source material
This would be a great, informative comment that would merit removing all the sins, except:
The source material doesn't exist. Ever.
Except for the one time it did.
But that was so he could make an "It's over 9000!" joke.
Sin for having to review the Source Material for the movie to make sense
@@DanielRichards644 but you don't have to review the source material...the movie makes perfect sense without it...
agreed. The baker's wife did not instantly become 9 months pregnant. There was a passing of time where the characters were getting restless in their happily ever afters.
@@Solmaz_S he shouldn't sin the movie without at least a little background - he's sinning it for copying Tangled, which was written about 25 years after this musical...
"Baker confronts Darth Vader on Dagobah, because this is one of the final tests before becoming a jedi at leavening bread"
I absolutely lost it at this part
if jedis leavening bread, what do the sith lords do regarding the bread
@@TheMasterVictory It's not for Younglings to hear. They learn about it right before graduation.
“They dragged tangled into this” ..... Into the woods was written in 1986... Tangled came out in 2011...
Ye, and rapunzel tale its way older that the original musical and tangled
r/woooosh
Anna Fuelberth the tale of Rapunzel dates back to 1812....and Disney had plans of making a Rapunzel movie however it was nearly just an idea and old scraps of work until they revised the idea for the 2011 movie.
Love Nellie03 Yeah, I totally understand and agree with that, but I just was commenting on the fact that he referenced Tangled specifically (like instead of referencing just the story of Rapunzel.) It was honestly just funny to me😂
No tangled is 2010 but that's not important :)
18:25 in the stage musical Cinderella’s Prince doubles as the wolf at the beginning, it’s supposed to be a thematic thing.
"The narrator interrupts the narrator interrupting Anna Kendrick." *ding*
Giant Kills Narrator(in the musical)
Cinimasins: Takes away all the sins
@@magicaaaaaal "This reply interrupts the comment interrupting the narrator interrupting the narrator interrupting Ann Kendrick"
*ding*
Haha
@@VladtheImpaler_99 "This reply interrupts the reply that interrupts the comment that interrupts the narrator interrupting the narrator interrupting Anna Kendrick."
The movie cut “No More”, possibly the best song in the score.
There's an instrumental version
that's used during the scene where the Baker is crying.
We disappoint, we disappear, we die but we don't.
This a fair statement. At least Meryl Streep worked really hard to make sure Last Midnight was solid.
@@fruitbythefoote I loved this movie when it came out. Haven't seen it since though.
THE MOST HEINOUS SIN
ANYWAY if anyone wants to see a better version of Into The Woods there is a professional recording of the og broadway cast on youtube
The broadway version is 100 times better than the movie. Definitely worth the watch.
Pixies Ostrich Duster wait like.... do you think this came first? This musical came out way before this terrible movie... thats like believing post Malone made Ozzy Osborn famous
@@meowstaboy9782 no pixies does not think this. she has never seen the stage version and now feels she will not be able to enjoy it with the aftertaste of the movie still lingering in her mind
I doubt that better vocals save the script from being utterly horrible
@@nikolaydavydov9920 the script for the movie is actually missing around at least 30% of the plot from the musical, probably to make the runtime under 2 hours, which is why the second half of the movie goes so much off the rails without any reason. Believe me, the musical puts way more effort into developing the characters and story in a way that makes sense and doesn't come out of nowhere
I love how like he takes everything that is a joke/the whole purpose in the musical (Jack being dumb, princes being dickheads, the fairytale elements being ridiculous cliches, etc) and just... sins it as if it was completely unintentional. Like, sir, that was the point.
That's because doing it as a film removes the humor, because it needs the audience feedback.
@@jaycee330 I mean. Funny films _are_ a thing. Good comedies can be done on screen if you adapt them properly.
This just... Didn't do that.
@@amaeliss7827 I agree, the same problem with "Forum". On stage, it is a laugh riot, the movie version...unfunny.
Uh, the rapunzel part in the swamp is actually straight out of the original tale 😂, except, she was 13 and pregnant in it too, I understand why those parts were left out
Edit: the Prince was also blind and gained his sight back after he met her again
Yes pregnant with twins.
I think that part is included in the original musical, although it never directly states her age. I remember her being pregnant with twins and the prince being blind
It was a desert in the original tale and the musical,I have no idea why they changed it into a swamp OR WHY THEY CUT OUT RAPUNZEL'S DEATH WHICH IS WHAT MOTIVATES THE WITCH TO GIVE JACK TO THE GIANT SO THAT NO MORE LIFE'S WILL BE LOST, MAKING HER GAIN INDEPENDENCE AND RIDE OFF INTO THE SUNSET MAKES THE WITCH'S ACTIONS COME OFF AS SELFISH RATHER THAN COMPASSIONATE AND REASONABLE 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 AAAAAAAAAHHHHH!? THIS MOVIE SUUUUUUUUUCKS!.. !!! 👹😫😤
"You look like the princess.. but dirty."
* slowly turns to an imaginary camera, blinks three times, and slowly turns back *
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@@blaizem3141 he has his mind in the gutter
Giggity.
wink wink, nudge nudge
I'm the baker, and I'm here to bake yo bread **queue 70's rock music**
*Narrator:* Cinderella had planted a grave of her mother and she visited there so often, and wept so much, that her tears watered it until it had become a magnificent tree.
*Jeremy:* What?!
*Me:* Yeah... that is pretty stupid.
I feel like her tears would be too salty to water a TREE.
Excuse me *Wat*
it took like 8 years for the sapling to planted in my garden to grow like 1.5 metres tall and her’s apparently becomes a towering tree with her damn tears alone...
I mean...that's accurate to the fairy tale.
Fairy tale logic. If you look at it realistically nothing in this movie makes sense.
@@VI.mp4 it is literally supposed to be a fairy tale bro. Logic is not taken into account much in a FAIRY TALE thats why it's called a STORY.
"Someone got paid to feel clever for writing this line" man's never heard of stephen sondheim ig (may his memory be a blessing)
Is Jeremy's wife sleeping while he's recording this one? Seems more hushed than usual.
This is a reupload from 2015, back then he was a lot more hushed
hE HAS A WIFE?!
@@musicmaniac5246 Why act so shocked lol
Raven M ‘cause I didn’t think he was married!!
Music Maniac he mentioned her a few times in cinemawins. dk abt cinemasins
A decent amount of this movie was based off of the brothers grim stories so when he says Disney during those parts that is incorrect RIP
Also I saw a play on this at Liberty High School and that made my expectations for this movie super high but I’ve seen it and it was disappointing RIP
Yes, this is the comment I came to find!!
I'm actually mad at so many of these comments saying "he doesn't need to know the background of the musical because the movie should make sense on it's own" like he does if he's going to critique something for copying Tangled, despite the fact it was written 25 years before 🙄
It's always fun when Jeremy genuinely dislikes a movie.
I miss Sondheim. Such an amazing composer who made beautiful music.
Edit: Also fun fact, Donna Murphy played as Mother Gothel in Tangled and she also played as the Witch in a production of Into The Woods. So kind of a nice tie-in.
Her stepmother didn't miss her by her walk, or miss her by her talk when she was gone.
**DING**
I laughed so hard when Emily Blunt was like, "A baker for bread and a Prince for...whatever!!"
Like, "Same, girl!!"
The line is so out of nowhere, I couldn't help but laugh.
it's not out of nowhere!!! Need I say- it was in the original. It also matches the TONE of the original (which is basically a comedy). this movie butchered it and then people like you are (rightfully) confused about certain things not fitting or making much sense. There are tons of jokes like this in the stage musical they just randomly kept only like 5 in the movie
“Someone got paid to feel clever for writing this line”. Is nothing sacred
Kind of the point of musicals...clever lyrics.
this is why you always watch the Musical before the movie, then instead of sinning the story itself for things the movie failed to translate, you can sin the movie for sucking at translating.
I despise that they played all the jokes striaght in this, made this standard fairytail instead of mocking towards fairytales, casted two little kids as characters who were ment to be older teens (and thus making some stuff more pervy that originally intended) failed to kill off the narrator, and cut several songs out- half of which were importaint.
The Cinderella stuff with the branch tree stuff actually happened in the Grimm's fairytale version:)
In the stage version, the birds do peck out the eyes of Cinderella's sisters. 👏👏👏
You should have taken off a sin for the movie acknowledging that a person climbing up your hair would be painful
“Chris Pine channeling his inner Shatner-“ *I’m straight up crying rn* 😂
18:37 "You look like the princess... But dirty"
Princess Tiabeane? Is that you?
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A lot of context was lost when the second act was butchered.
Part of it is that a lot was cut for time and/or format differences between live stage and film. Each act of the play is about a full hour, and has a beginning middle and end, which works in a play, since the acts are broken up by an intermission, but in film, but doesn't work nearly as well in a movie format. (I do agree that the cuts hurt the story though)
@@megelizabeth9492 Yeah, but the run time of the stage show isn't an excuse. Many movies these days run over 2 hours. This wasn't a movie for kids that needed to be 90 minutes. And with a 15 intermission, the stage musical runs 2 hours 50 minutes give or take. So that would have been a 2 hour 35 minute movie.
I think the biggest issue was the format differences between movies and stage shows. Into the woods, like a lot of Sondheim plays, is based around a two act structure, which for the most part is unique to live theatre. When you try that in a film without intermission, it usually just feels overstuffed and long.
Little Red Riding Hood : literally robs the baker of multiple baked goods
Also Red Riding Hood : shouts because the same baker stole her cape
multifandomed But Girls Generation Forever yep. Kids are brats.
Well the cape was made by her grandmother, much different from bread.
The narrator is in the film because it was in the stage adaptation, where it was an actual person stepping on and off stage to narrate. He becomes useful in act 2, when the giant asks for Jack, and they start looking for someone to feed to the giant. The narrator finally gets noticed, and in a moment of sheer perfect comedy and breaking of the fourth wall, the characters capture him and feed him to the giant, after some hesitation, as without him, they won't know how the story plays out.
3:13 Which is why it's not a good idea to do a stage musical as a film and make it look like a film. Even Sondheim had thought of that. As for why he allowed this? Well, I guess he felt Lapine could use some extra cash...
I wonder how many people watched this movie without knowing the musical first.
I didn't know it was. I went with a friend who invited me. I liked the movie...but I guess it's because I found it funny.
I did, but luckily found a stage version on youtube
🙋🏾♀️moi but now im educated so it’s okay
@@soupforfree except theater nerds... Of which I am one
wapaloosie a. Same 😂
TBH, the songs and characters they cut really fuck with this whole movie.
In the show, Act 1 ends with the song Ever After about how great everything is and then there is an intermission during which a time jump occurs and then Act 2 opens with a song called So Happy where all the character try to convince themselves that they are happy despite all the little things that are going wrong. It sets up all of the dissatisfaction with the new status quo and eventual infidelity in the second half.
The big character they cut is the narrator. In the show it's a different character from the Baker. When the characters first confront the giant they pull him from outside the story and give him to the giant. It provides a sense that a threshold has been crossed from everything being planned out in a storybook to things being unplanned and sets up some of the twists and turns in Act 2.
These people should be hired to sin a movie before its released
Susan Babcock
That would create the perfect movie. A sinless masterpiece.
@@datboi1026 Erm, not really
This guy literally lacks knowledge about literature and cultural references, so it will only result for more sins.
This is a musical, you can’t sin the singing...😂😂😂
you can always sin singing... it has sin IN the word... yeah that makes sense...
Yeah, the stage version is definitely better than the film version. If there’s ever a revival, watch it.
Into the woods! InTo ThE wOoDs! INTO THE WOODS!
INTO THE WOODS GODDAMN IT
INTO THE WOODS
@@LucyAdroit INTO THE GODAMB FUCKIN WOODS!
INTO THE MOTHER TRUCKING WOODS! PLUS ULTRA
Wait, did they say go "Into" or "Around", The Woods?
4:24 you really should have added a sin for the baker not spotting literally two items (the cape and the cow) around him
I enjoyed Into The Woods. The only part that made me feel uncomfortable was Johnny Depp's character playing the wolf towards Lil red riding Hood. The rest of the movie was great!
That's the intention though it's more obvious if you have seen the play
The Wolf is supposed to be a 'predator' as in like a sexual predator... in the OG 1988 Broadway they legit gave his costume a dick... it's so freaking disturbing that this version is something I very much prefer
@@inserttext2412 And if you've seen the original wolf costume which has a penis on it.
Title: *Everything Wrong With Into the Woods*
Me: Let me guess, let me guess, the entire movie?
he took away the line about "while her withers wither with her" sjsjshdjkhf
Oh let me tell you about that confusing and complex intro: my school did into the woods for our school play and it took us months to actually get it right
You need to remove a sin for Jack walking through the woods to get to the market because he needed to walk to the next town over
ahhh “into the woods is basically the avengers of fairy tales”
1:30 this dude dared to sin one of the most clever lyrics in the history of musical theatre
“Someone got paid to feel clever for writing this line”... you mean Stephen Sondheim... the man who wrote the entire musical? Got it.
Totallyy!! It feels a little like he didnt know anything about the og musical
Nobody disses Sondheim and gets away with it.......
@@hesseltjeb It's cinemasins. The book/musical/play/original story don't matter.
When that witch said “he was stealing from me raping me” raping actually means stealing too
But I’d still give it a sin since she had to say stealing twice
I thought she said "reaping"?
@@carissatzeng8717 She did
she said robbing me not stealing from me
@@carissatzeng8717 Nah she said "Robbing me! RAPING ME" because the Witch is dramatic af
I thought it said ripping me 😦
The magic tears and the blind boyfriend are in the original story. So it’s no some “Disney” thing, it’s true to the story.
And much funnier on stage.
Okay..the two princes audio outtake had me laughing so hard.
Half of this sins are Jeremy complaining about singing in a musical
Would rather listen to them, than his complaining. He could always get stuck listening to the '19 version of Cats...
I can't be the only person that actually kind of like this movie right
No I kind of like it. It’s got a good idea of giving more backstory and putting the stories together. I think they just tried to put in too much and didn’t think about how they were putting it together. Other than being a lot in almost 2 hours I thinks it’s great, especially with all the great actors and actresses.
I enjoyed it, but i definitely agree that it would have been better with a higher maturity rating. Also, it seems feels a little loosely ended, and some of the deaths were kind of dumb
I like the movie, but I just wish they included a little bit more from the original Broadway
On its own I think I would've liked it but I've seen the original Broadway production on RUclips and it's just so much better and they messed up sk much in this movie that I can't like the movie
I had no idea that this was an adaptation of a play, so I really liked it
'Agony' is the only part of this movie that I actually enjoyed. So dramatic.
The only thing missing from Jonny Depp as the wolf was a “I’m Chris Hansen, go on and have a seat.”
The reason there’s so much narration is because there was a narrator character in the original musical that they feed to the giant
"Actors are playing for the back row, which is odd considering we're in a movie theater right now."
Well... At least something in this movie is accurate to the source material.
(I actually do like the movie. Just... not as much as the show.)
Sin for CinemaSins for adding so many sins about the script and singing at times when the movie was being faithful to the stage musical.
I love how he just loves Anna Kendrick 😂
I do too, she knows the theatre. On the contrary, I HATE James Corden, for many reasons, especially for this.
14:06 The world should stop time EVERYTIME Anna Kendrick does ANYTHING.
Time is the most important thing in the universe...
second only to the perfection that is Anna Kendrick...
...and me finding a non-illegal way to make her my girlfriend.
4:34 Because, in the original stage version, the narrator is on stage with a fairy tale book. It was a comedy back then. Another reason this shouldn't have been made into a film. We already had a live taping of the show for sale already. Disney, as usual, fucks things up.
There should have been a bonus round for every “into the woods” said during the musical
"Someone got paid to feel clever for this line" Stephen Sondheim did actually
"in fairy tale minutes"
y'all cinema cins keeps getting more sarcastic 😂😂 i love it
15:24 haha the Anna Kendrick-ness, so true I love it😂👌
*Sins* : what’s actually happens in the fairytale
*Also sins* : normal things that happens in musicals
"Somebody thought they were really clever for writing this" Well, it did win multiple Tony awards, including for best book, so...
I think mr sins is deliberately pretending he does not know this.
@@DrWhom I'm sure he is, after all in his review of WSS, he was quite aware of Sondheim.
"Someone got paid to feel clever for righting this line" bestie do you mean Stephen Sondheim?????????????
He’s OK here, but I still think Chris Pine’s best movie singing is “Jingle Bells” from “Into the Spider-verse.”
Wait, what?
5:12 Wonderful, Mad Hatter is having one of his episodes, someone call Alice
Alice was not actually his therapist.
No, but she could help as a friend
Red riding hood screaming woke up my cat just now
As someone who stans Into The Woods I wanna let you know that most of this makes much more sense onstage, trust me
Yes please go watch the original musical on RUclips it’s vastly superior and the plot actually makes sense
Rapunzel's story is what happened in the actual book