I hear ya! I have one in a 350lb kart that runs neck and neck with a cammed out 212 in a 150lb kart. Both have 22mm Mikuni's. I would highly recommend if running a heavy kart or the heavier mini bikes.
I disagree. I don't think there is 40 dollars worth of performance improvement over a regular 212. In fact I know there isn't. It's actually just a predator 212 with a 3mm stroke and a stronger block...problem is, the regular 212 doesn't have issues with block strength anyways. And the 224 comes with a plastic cam gear which is fine if you leave it stock...if you want to do much with it at all you need to replace the cam anyways. So 40 bucks extra gets you a 3mm stroke. That's it. I would rather keep the 40 and put 40 more dollars into a 212.
Apparently if you blow one of these motors up it releases a ghost from the crankcase and it haunts you for a few days after before it moves on to motor heaven. Who knew ? 🤷
Bought one and got the 2 year warranty. I can rag on it all I want and if it blows I get a new one with no hassles. And I can just pay $60.00 for a new 2 year warranty. Best value out there. Even so I'm putting a 24mm NIBBI carb on it to really wake it up. She's a ripper already on my 200 btx with the gps cvt kit.
If it's for racing straight out of the box then why did they put a bomb of a flywheel on it? In my opinion these engines are nothing but a marketing gimmick that is going to fall flat. I don't see anyone making a specific class for these.
The coil can be changed to remove the rev limiter. It'll need different valve springs and probably a flywheel, but getting rid of the rev limiter is cheap and a lot easier than removing the governor on a regular 212 predator.
You’re basically paying double the price just so you can unscrew 6 bolts ? If your racing your gonna end up opening the engine up at some point to add mods 🤷🏽♂️
Can you get just that 5k coil by itself. I think the 224 with a 5k coil would make a perfect mud motor engine. Higher rpm always helps on the water but having a limit still is needed for when the prop comes out of the water
Hey bud, how about take out the coil and put a $20 ignition coil in it. I do agree for $299 in the store they do cut down on that they give you to totally finish it stage 1 with the exhaust, fuel pump, filter and everything that comes in a kit for an extra $189 sucks since it doesn't come with everything you need/want, but just $100 instead of almost $200, you can order everything to make it more badass than the kit for $200 would ever
This motor is a great buy. You don't need to buy a carb and put a rod or cam in it. I put it on a coleman ct200u and I'm doing over 60mph with a torque converter and stock rear sprocket. Absolutely fun wheelie machine now. My other mini bike friends can't even hang anymore. So worth it.
Wait... You're doing 60 with a torque converter and stock Coleman gearing? What do you weigh, 130? That's really good for a Coleman 200. Are you using a Juggernaut or Tork-Zilla driver or is the torque converter all stock?
I have a juggernaut clutch, 10tooth front gear and a 50tooth sprocket in the back, and the ghost is pushing 6k rpm. With the original 196cc that I hopped up I was doing 47mph at 5100 rpm. Might not be 60 but it's close.
@@chrisrobo6823 OK. The numbers don't make sense in a speed calc but forget that. Sounds like you're doing pretty darn good. I did one top speed run on my Coleman 200 with just a tach as a reference. A speed calc suggests 46-47 right at 5K RPM. Has a mild built 196, stock torque converter and 9/60 gearing.
another reason for the price is because they're sealed from factory, It'd be nice to see it have a protection on the bolts so it's easier to see that it's sealed considering it'd be a "stock" motor.
They aren't sealed from the factory. Red beards garage did a mostly complete teardown on one and there isn't a single seal on these engines.. the most they do is put some loctite on the side cover bolts
thread lock on the side cover bolts .253" lift cam? stock rod and flywheel. rev limited coil to 6000? that is almost billet rod AND flywheel category. YMMV (your mileage may vary... ur flywheel/rod may part company)
I've watched about 10 videos on the 212cc Ghost. In the 8 videos where they didn't actually run them, they universally questioned the value. In the 2 videos where they actually ran them, they had a blast with the extra power. They may not be competitive in a racing environment compared to a $1500, 8 hour build, but they sure looked like fun for the average thrasher. BTW, still haven't found a video of a Ghost on a dyno...
@@donttalkjustplay4274 I was just being a smartass. I have the dbxl-e 2.0 and the way I have it set up, it will go 66 mph but there are examples of the dbxl-e 2.0 going over 100 mph. That's damn fast for an rc that weighs 30+ pounds.
After you buy the high compression piston , the hemi valves , the heavy duty springs, the cam, and the carburator.. the regular 212cc will be almost twice the price of the Ghost
Thinking of getting one for my bt200x it goes about 20mph my older ct200u has a tillotson and stage 1 kit and it screams I would love to know how this compares to my tillotson 212E
Maybe they threw this motor out there because the new California law is going to ban Small engine on equipment and technically calling it a race engine puts in a different category as off-road motorized vehicle use only
yup that is good... thinking. some other vid said the sales person/checker told asked the purchaser "this if for OFF ROAD USE ONLY... right?" and the RIGHT ANSWER IS???? YES, it is for off road use only... no warranty expressed or implied!!! ALL SALES FINAL!!!!!!
@@optimusprimer4392 and yet people praise them until they do something like this.. then talks everything about them.. I can just see what type of people they are before they get elected .. not say nothing about bad about Joe Biden but you saw how everybody hated Trump and love Joe Biden but then yet he got elected and now people talk smack about him
Yep, kart racing is very competitive. They did their research and made that engine to race spec. I see a lot of people that are not paying attention to the marketing details and ragging on the engine based on preconceived expectations.. In the totality of the sport, the engine is a great price considering a low budget rolling racing frame starts at about $4k
Just installed the ghost on my mini bike and just with the torque converter it was in the 50s. Swapped the back pulley to a 37 tooth and the bitch really flys.
Man im so glad you said what you did because your the first person to tell it like it is👍🏽and I damn near choked on my burger when you said the "people at harbor freight looked as confused about the parts as they did when asked about the motor" 🤣.... they don't even know what they're selling 😂....I'm super jealous over your toys man sweet line up I'm a kid at heart can't help it I'm more interested in mini bikes and karts than my own kids 😁.👍🏽✌🏽
Thanks for the info. Ghost STILL has a glue and screw flywheel, and plastic (nylon, whatever) cam gear. Need to replace them before you can do any "racing" safely. I went with the ducar 212. Was gonna get the wildcat 223, but it has a glue and screw flywheel as well. I can upgrade the exhaust, intake and the carb with a little more than what i would pay for a flywheel upgrade. Be safe.
I mean this is designed to compete with the Tilly 225. And it does well with that. For someone who wants double the HP of a stock predator 212 without doing any work, it's a good deal. For those of us that plan to build one, there is no point. The accessory kit can be sourced piece by piece for cheaper FOR SURE.
We have been racing these on or racing kart but these are 15.8 hp motors for 350 buck but all the kits I find to build a stock predetor that's 15hp or over is 300 bucks plus gotta get a $100 motor
All depend on track size too we run a 300 ft dirt track the ghost has been destroying the built predator motors for less money no since I. Having a 8k rpm motor when it never gets there lol
I agree, people if you don't race,get the regular predator no limited coil,add some performance parts n ya leave the ghost n your dust,n maybe able to do it cheaper than what ya pay for the ghost 🤔🤣
I already knew i wasnt gonna buy one when j read that it has a “digital rev limiter” that cuts ignition at 6000rpm And not a mechanical governer you could bypass/remove…
for the money... get stock predator, $56 cast alum flywheel, $65 rod, 22 springs, CM 265 cam. $20 wen e bay dremel grinder to port head nicely. header, $20 intake, $20 22 mm carb... n $12 for jets for PK 22 mm carb and 4 new cheap spark plugs to get the jetting close enough for your altitude. higher altitudes need less gas, not more... over 2000'.... over 3000' lose power anyway no matter how much gas put into it cuz less air to mix with gas so unburned gas goes out the tail pipe. E bay parts... new side cover gasket to get the .003 to .013" crankshaft end play for heat expansion 22# springs for 6500 rpm's... shim them for 6900 rpms when the motor is pretty much out of breath anyway with stock valve hole openings, just making noise after that and really stressing the engine. GX200 u tube video on screaming the HONDA 200x with some perf parts. 15 hp and 15 ft/lbs... til the end of the test at 7000. torque from 3500 to 4500 where it starts to fall as HP climbs.
I only like it because of the rev limiter honestly and I think it would be cool just to put a billit rod and flywheel and chrome olly push rods and send it
for the money... get stock predator, $56 cast alum flywheel, $65 rod, 22 springs, CM 265 cam. $20 wen e bay dremel grinder to port head nicely. header, $20 intake, $20 22mm carb... n $12 for jets for PK 22mm carb and 4 new cheap spark plugs to get the jetting close enough for your altitute. higher altitudes need less gas, not more... over 2000'.... over 3000' lose power anyway no matter how much gas put into it cuz less air to mix with gas so unburned gas goes out the tail pipe.
So ive recently bought a tony kart to take to the track and it currently has a built tillitson 212(parts unknown) and i cant seem to get the damn thing running right(it runs just not well at all, i put in a new spark plug, carburetor, fuel pump) the main things… nothing. Would this motor be a good option performance right out of the box and for a decent price and ease of use?
I would say "Yes" considering the "out of box" scenario. Just based on what your other options are. A Briggs lo206 for $599, or a Predator, Tillotson, or Ducar ranging from $129-$249. Many would argue the Ducar because of the flywheel but that's the only engine euipped with the pvl flywheel (Check out Kentucky fried fixin's) video. The Tillotson claim 10hp out of the box. I've had two and I would say more on par with a stock Predator. The Ghost's main drawback is you either have to wait for the proprietary accessory kit ($150) or piece together your own based on your needs ( air cleaner, header pipe, pulse pump, fuel lines, etc.). Hope this helps.
I have a Hammerhead T80 go cart and need to swap out the engine. It came with a Honda clone 212cc engine that ran insanely well but locked up because of natural causes. (we wore it out) What engine should I choose for performance, Do you think the HF 224cc would be a good choice? Thanks you for your time. I enjoy your channel.
I almost bought this then I did some research and the discount gods looked down on me so I ended up with a 420cc a upgraded carb an header brand new for less than the ghost with the accessory kit. The kit is 150btw.
We need more hopped up versions of little engines. If there is a need, then there is also an inevitable discount isle. Remember the 212 retail for $200, but they hit sale at $99. The future is bright adventurers!
Yoo I bought gts mine bike frame and I don’t know much I don’t wanna race or have anything thats has to due with extreme engine build but I want a good reliable engine with some quick upgrades that will make me reach high speeds what do recommend?
Right now the regular Predator 212 is $160, the Max Performance 224 is at $199 ($40 difference) and the Ghost is $299($140 difference 😳), what are your thoughts about the Max Performance 224 vs the regular 212 for a difference of $40? They claim a 10% increase in power. I'm looking to find a decent used off-road go kart or mini bike frame that needs some tlc and an engine to have some fun with and lower end torque is what I'll be after rather than high speed hp. I'll be running a torque converter as well so I have another question, it's been a few years since I learned about this but supposedly these little torque converters can be adjusted to provide either more low speed torque or high speed power besides the normal sprocket size changes that can also be made and I am curious if you're aware of this and if so have you messed with the different adjustments and what your opinion is about them and if you think it makes a difference?
It has the hemi head the carburetor and the governor is already removed, I mean I would buy the performance red engine the base predator 212 block casting is cheaper thinner you can see it in the casting especially were the fuel tank mounts
So someone is expected to create a class just for this engine? So when is Harbor Freight releasing the racing chassis for this class and is it dirt oval or Sprint kart like Tillotson? If there's no racing class for this engine with the.250 something lift cam, slide carb, rev limited coil, and squeeze casted rod, then it's just a marketing ploy and not worth anybody's money in my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know of a class this engine can compete in as released?
I think it's dependant on the people buying them to develope the class. It's marketed to compete against the l0206. It class compatibility with "most racing chassis 's"
@@DariusBuildz There have been a few flywheels blowing up on completely stock 212s at 3600 rpm. Yeah I'm sure they'll hold up fine. Until they don't and your 8 year old is layed out on the track with a chunk of flywheel in their head.
@@contraband1543 do you REALLY think they would throw one on a platform where they are trying to establish a cart league for the motor, out the box, that couldn’t stand up to 6k? Remember that your 212 is suppose to stay at 3600. Where have you seen one explode at 3600? Where? Feel free to share your evidence, bc it was probably ungoverned when the flywheel let go
wtf ya talking about... they are the EXACT same engine internally.. the ghost just comes with a slide carb and a cheater cam pre installed.. THATS IT.. people have been building the 212 into race engines for YEARS..
I’m gonna buy all of those ghost engines I can get my hands on and put them in my mini bikes and go karts that I never bring to the track and to just cruise around town w/ my ppls
when can build ur own stock predator for abt the same money with BILLET ROD n cast $56 flywheel for NON hemi engine... with CM .265" lift cam $65 e bay, 22# springs for 6500 rpm when without a good port job on the head it is out of breath anyway. $20 PZ 22mm carb and $20 alum intake, in various colors from CN in 3 weeks or so. new side cover gasket to set crankshaft end play of .003 to .015 (click click... not CLUNK CLUNK) for lubrication and heat expansion.
I said that on FB and they came at me like I smacked one of their new born kids. People think it’s a 212R or something. Like it’s going to be making 15Hp
Ehh , it’s all a moot point IMO. For any of this to matter, there actually has to be club racing series set up for these engines. Right now, at least in the asphalt sprint track world, I don’t foresee any HF “race” engine club racing anytime in the future. It’d be fun to show up at a track with your kart decked out in HF livery though 😝
They are already starting the leagues you speak of. Serious karters are sick of the $1200 brand name engine gouging so they are looking for a new affordable class.
I have zero plans on buying the ghost. They only way I would consider it is if they sold it for the same as a regular 212 nemi.dont know how they are planning on a league unless they start selling them sealed. Customer they ones I've seen reviewed are not sealed
thread lock on side cover bolts is what "seals" it... no safety wire with lead stamped thingie on it to show that the seal hasnt been broken for rules type kart racing.
Great motor. I'm running it in a 350lb kart that runs neck and neck with a Predator 212 in a 150lb kart. Loads of torque. Great motor if your kart is heavy. I have removed the governor and it runs a 22mm mikuni clone
@@ChristopherJones16 The 224 has a 58mm stroke crankshaft. The standard 212 has a 55mm stroke crankshaft. Being that the 224 has a 70mm bore, you could say that the 224 is a stroked 212.
@@ChristopherJones16 I wouldn't call a 212 a stroked engine because it originally started with a 55mm stroke. Just as the Honda GX200 and 196 clones start with 54mm stroke. Both have "non-stroked" crankshafts.
This engine will sale and do well because most people that ride do not have the skill set to build a motor and this engine offers more bolt on performance than any other on the market, no governor to take out and it revs to 6000 rpm's how can you say not to buy this when most people are novices
well i saw the ghost on a dyno,and at bout 4200 rpm was max hp at bout 11,and max torque was at bout 4900 rpm,if buying the other one,the money spent to get that perf.out of it would be more than the ghost,if u have no small engine building experience,and putting it on my bicycle not to race but run,well under the 6000rpm limiter,it will have longevity. its cheaper that a 79cc stage 2 engine,which has less than the hp of the ghost. i would hope that the electric starter from a regular predator would work on a ghost,am awaiting an answer on that. i got a fella building a twin tube header pipe for me,
These engines are all fine and good if you are wanting to run asphalt like these are intended.. they aren't really doing anything for the dirt oval kart racers.. we are better off to stick with the regular Ole hemi or non hemi 212 predator
non hemi? as the cast alum flywheel is $56 as even the other cast alum PVL NON hemi flywheel is now almost the same price of the BLING BLING BILLET FLYWHEEL $120 vs. $130? when PVL was $70 it was a buy, not at $120 when bling BILLET flywheel is $130. billet rod $65, CM .265" lift cam, 22# springs for 6500, with .060" shims under springs 7000 rpm where it is out of breath even with decent port job as the intake valve hole is too small to move more air thru it and it is just making more noise and stressing parts that much more. 32/28mm head $130 on e bay. 22-26# springs avail on e bay, valves too as the head is shppped bare, no port job, no springs/retainers etc. that wud be to make power to 9000???? i dont want to be anywhere around a motor that is turning that many RPM's as if somethi8ng explodes... right under your FEMORAL arterry in ur inner thigh... 3 mins and .... GAME OVER!!! BLACK HAWK DOWN... ITS THE FEMORAL! if we dont get him to the hospital REAL SOON....
@@gmcinnis6304 that's if you running them modded.. the majority of kart racers in the us are running them in the box stock configuration where it will never see those rpms and can't have any of the above mentioned work done to them so that's all negligible in this instance of a racing standpoint.. there are some classes that run them modded but 80 percent of the racing in the usa running a 212 predator is bone stock
$ sign in front of #'s $325... roughly yes. the $ is the flywheel. NON hemi cast alum flywheel is $70 now. the PVL HEMI flywheel is $92... was $76 when i bought it a few yrs ago. cams are same price $65 for CM .265" lift. intake same $20, PZ 22 carb and air filter $23 shipped off e bay. billet rod $65. new side cover gasket $8? .009" head gasket shim... 3 for $10. header... ZOOOOMIE INTO STRATOSPHERE $40 with muffler as we are all tired of LOUD THINGS and KAREN's are really really tired of LOUD THINGS AND CAN DIAL 911 faster than u can say it.
can build ur own for ~$300 with e bay parts... CAST ALUM flywheel $56, BILLET ROD $65, PZ22mm carb $20 with air filter a little more (get the air filter with carb as alone the air filter is $10... with the carb it is not that much more so save $5 at least getting carb and air filter together). CM .265" lift cam $56? on e bay. WEN/ e bay dremel grinder to port head with lots of 80 grit sanding drums and at least 5 mandrels to put the sanding drums on as they destroy themselves from time to time. dust mask safety GOGGLES to keep sand/silica/ alum shavings out of lungs/eyes... do it outside in breeze so the cuttings are carried away in breeze... or shop vac if u have one.. regular vac works too, disconnect the hose from the vacuum head. new side cover gasket to set end play to .003" to .015" click click... not CLUNK CLUNK... or nothing for heat expansion/oiling. 22# springs for 6500 RPM when it is out of breath anyway. shim them with .060" shims to get 7000 when it is done making power and just making noise and stressing parts
Great information.I think the 224cc might be better because it has a stronger block.
The 224 is a beast, no doubt.
@@igokarts4510 yeah I just put one on my db200 and hit 51mph with just a tc
I hear ya! I have one in a 350lb kart that runs neck and neck with a cammed out 212 in a 150lb kart. Both have 22mm Mikuni's. I would highly recommend if running a heavy kart or the heavier mini bikes.
I disagree. I don't think there is 40 dollars worth of performance improvement over a regular 212. In fact I know there isn't. It's actually just a predator 212 with a 3mm stroke and a stronger block...problem is, the regular 212 doesn't have issues with block strength anyways. And the 224 comes with a plastic cam gear which is fine if you leave it stock...if you want to do much with it at all you need to replace the cam anyways. So 40 bucks extra gets you a 3mm stroke. That's it. I would rather keep the 40 and put 40 more dollars into a 212.
@@_Mailman does the 224 or ghost have the gov gear still in it
Apparently if you blow one of these motors up it releases a ghost from the crankcase and it haunts you for a few days after before it moves on to motor heaven. Who knew ? 🤷
It's like the ghost in Japanese toilets 😆
Lmao
Can confirm happened to me
Bought one and got the 2 year warranty. I can rag on it all I want and if it blows I get a new one with no hassles. And I can just pay $60.00 for a new 2 year warranty. Best value out there. Even so I'm putting a 24mm NIBBI carb on it to really wake it up. She's a ripper already on my 200 btx with the gps cvt kit.
Go for the Wildcat 223cc great engine very powerful! She pushes me up River nice and fast
If it's for racing straight out of the box then why did they put a bomb of a flywheel on it?
In my opinion these engines are nothing but a marketing gimmick that is going to fall flat.
I don't see anyone making a specific class for these.
The coil can be changed to remove the rev limiter. It'll need different valve springs and probably a flywheel, but getting rid of the rev limiter is cheap and a lot easier than removing the governor on a regular 212 predator.
Not really, you just have to open up the engine and hammer out the governor.
@@fish_R_stinky69 umm. It’s six bolts and the coil is off. Literally takes like 2 or 3 minutes with setting the coil gap.
You’re basically paying double the price just so you can unscrew 6 bolts ? If your racing your gonna end up opening the engine up at some point to add mods 🤷🏽♂️
Can you get just that 5k coil by itself. I think the 224 with a 5k coil would make a perfect mud motor engine. Higher rpm always helps on the water but having a limit still is needed for when the prop comes out of the water
another killer video! lovin the channel man, always good content!
Thank you Sir!
I’ve got one, used my coupon for 25 percent off, and inside track club and got mine for 179.99
Hey bud, how about take out the coil and put a $20 ignition coil in it. I do agree for $299 in the store they do cut down on that they give you to totally finish it stage 1 with the exhaust, fuel pump, filter and everything that comes in a kit for an extra $189 sucks since it doesn't come with everything you need/want, but just $100 instead of almost $200, you can order everything to make it more badass than the kit for $200 would ever
Looks like a spec engine, that you replace, like the sealed turned brushed motors in RC racing.
This motor is a great buy. You don't need to buy a carb and put a rod or cam in it. I put it on a coleman ct200u and I'm doing over 60mph with a torque converter and stock rear sprocket. Absolutely fun wheelie machine now. My other mini bike friends can't even hang anymore. So worth it.
I'll try and make a video, I don't really have editing skills so it would just be a phone video
Wait... You're doing 60 with a torque converter and stock Coleman gearing? What do you weigh, 130? That's really good for a Coleman 200. Are you using a Juggernaut or Tork-Zilla driver or is the torque converter all stock?
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I have a juggernaut clutch, 10tooth front gear and a 50tooth sprocket in the back, and the ghost is pushing 6k rpm. With the original 196cc that I hopped up I was doing 47mph at 5100 rpm. Might not be 60 but it's close.
@@chrisrobo6823 OK. The numbers don't make sense in a speed calc but forget that. Sounds like you're doing pretty darn good.
I did one top speed run on my Coleman 200 with just a tach as a reference. A speed calc suggests 46-47 right at 5K RPM. Has a mild built 196, stock torque converter and 9/60 gearing.
another reason for the price is because they're sealed from factory, It'd be nice to see it have a protection on the bolts so it's easier to see that it's sealed considering it'd be a "stock" motor.
They aren't sealed from the factory. Red beards garage did a mostly complete teardown on one and there isn't a single seal on these engines.. the most they do is put some loctite on the side cover bolts
thread lock on the side cover bolts .253" lift cam? stock rod and flywheel. rev limited coil to 6000? that is almost billet rod AND flywheel category. YMMV (your mileage may vary... ur flywheel/rod may part company)
I've watched about 10 videos on the 212cc Ghost. In the 8 videos where they didn't actually run them, they universally questioned the value. In the 2 videos where they actually ran them, they had a blast with the extra power. They may not be competitive in a racing environment compared to a $1500, 8 hour build, but they sure looked like fun for the average thrasher. BTW, still haven't found a video of a Ghost on a dyno...
It doesn’t have more power it just revs higher out of the box
Right… He didn’t even take it out the box. I like the ghost. I run the hell out of it at 50mph nonstop and it hasn’t blown up yet
@@ShawnPrince You're not trying hard enough.
@@Blueknight1960 I’ve got a regular 212 that goes 50 mph on a yurf dog frame. I can’t wait to see what that ghost will do
@@donttalkjustplay4274 I was just being a smartass. I have the dbxl-e 2.0 and the way I have it set up, it will go 66 mph but there are examples of the dbxl-e 2.0 going over 100 mph. That's damn fast for an rc that weighs 30+ pounds.
Unless you replace the rev limiting part out to the stock or aftermarket piece, you can do whatever you could do with one to the other…
Thank you u talked me out of wasting my money on one even tho I already got a regular 212👍
After you buy the high compression piston , the hemi valves , the heavy duty springs, the cam, and the carburator.. the regular 212cc will be almost twice the price of the Ghost
With double the power of the Ghost too.
That's why I like our budget 212 class we don't run ghosts and aren't allowed to do much with the regular 212 it makes for good racing
Picked up a predator 224 for my BT200X. Mainly for back road trails
Thinking of getting one for my bt200x it goes about 20mph my older ct200u has a tillotson and stage 1 kit and it screams I would love to know how this compares to my tillotson 212E
I’m new into mini bikes and I wanted 2 swap my motor for something alittle better this thing was far more than what I expected it’s amazing!!
Maybe they threw this motor out there because the new California law is going to ban Small engine on equipment and technically calling it a race engine puts in a different category as off-road motorized vehicle use only
yup that is good... thinking. some other vid said the sales person/checker told asked the purchaser "this if for OFF ROAD USE ONLY... right?" and the RIGHT ANSWER IS???? YES, it is for off road use only... no warranty expressed or implied!!! ALL SALES FINAL!!!!!!
Good call these politicians make all kinds of weird rules because they are weird themselves
@@optimusprimer4392 and yet people praise them until they do something like this.. then talks everything about them.. I can just see what type of people they are before they get elected .. not say nothing about bad about Joe Biden but you saw how everybody hated Trump and love Joe Biden but then yet he got elected and now people talk smack about him
You have pulll ghosts on them politicians in California..hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahah
The ghost is worth every penny. 😂 if you’re worried about the coil. You buy upgraded coils that let it rev out higher.
I was almost ready to critique you negatively....Sir you are 100% correct! Too many people blowing up motors without governors!!👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Yep, kart racing is very competitive. They did their research and made that engine to race spec. I see a lot of people that are not paying attention to the marketing details and ragging on the engine based on preconceived expectations.. In the totality of the sport, the engine is a great price considering a low budget rolling racing frame starts at about $4k
I'm happy they sell a moto like that I never saw it yet ..I'll buy one
If this is slated to replace the LO206, I'm sure people paying the money for that engine will be happy.
Just installed the ghost on my mini bike and just with the torque converter it was in the 50s. Swapped the back pulley to a 37 tooth and the bitch really flys.
Man im so glad you said what you did because your the first person to tell it like it is👍🏽and I damn near choked on my burger when you said the "people at harbor freight looked as confused about the parts as they did when asked about the motor" 🤣.... they don't even know what they're selling 😂....I'm super jealous over your toys man sweet line up I'm a kid at heart can't help it I'm more interested in mini bikes and karts than my own kids 😁.👍🏽✌🏽
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@Korbon Dallas I see your point man lol👍🏽
Thanks for the info. Ghost STILL has a glue and screw flywheel, and plastic (nylon, whatever) cam gear.
Need to replace them before you can do any "racing" safely. I went with the ducar 212.
Was gonna get the wildcat 223, but it has a glue and screw flywheel as well.
I can upgrade the exhaust, intake and the carb with a little more than what i would pay for a flywheel upgrade.
Be safe.
I just watched Red Beards Garage do a review on it and to be honest for 300 bucks I wasn't too impressed.
So I race dirt track an use to run box class on the predator hemi witch done just fine but wanted to go up ah lil more so we will see how it does
I mean this is designed to compete with the Tilly 225. And it does well with that. For someone who wants double the HP of a stock predator 212 without doing any work, it's a good deal. For those of us that plan to build one, there is no point. The accessory kit can be sourced piece by piece for cheaper FOR SURE.
But but but... it says RACING on it! It MUST be better!
What can i put in my shifter kart chassis with the same or better performance then the ghost for the same price?
Tillotson 225r
The coil on the ghost can be changed with a regular 212 engine and allow it to rev higher....
I get what you mean but why a regular coil? If you are swapping parts might as well put a hot 212 coil on it
@@fauxque5057 either way would still want to put a stronger connecting rod and flywheel
@@matthewbennett9628 what are you getting for the extra money? At that point just buy the 212 and build it
@@fauxque5057 that is kind of where I was going... same idea
without port jjob it is outof breath at 6500 anyway... 6900 tops and then the cam, rod, flywheel are apart... GRENADING is the term in common usage.
We have been racing these on or racing kart but these are 15.8 hp motors for 350 buck but all the kits I find to build a stock predetor that's 15hp or over is 300 bucks plus gotta get a $100 motor
All depend on track size too we run a 300 ft dirt track the ghost has been destroying the built predator motors for less money no since I. Having a 8k rpm motor when it never gets there lol
I can imagine the ghost with a juggernaut cvt on a go kart would be a blast
I agree, people if you don't race,get the regular predator no limited coil,add some performance parts n ya leave the ghost n your dust,n maybe able to do it cheaper than what ya pay for the ghost 🤔🤣
Some Harbor Freight employees are worst then autozone employees 😂
they dont love go karts/mini bikes/small engines... engines. its a job.
is it possible to swap out the stock coil to say a honda to avoid the 6000 rpm limiter
Yup
I already knew i wasnt gonna buy one when j read that it has a “digital rev limiter” that cuts ignition at 6000rpm And not a mechanical governer you could bypass/remove…
I just ordered one 🥺
for the money... get stock predator, $56 cast alum flywheel, $65 rod, 22 springs, CM 265 cam. $20 wen e bay dremel grinder to port head nicely. header, $20 intake, $20 22 mm carb... n $12 for jets for PK 22 mm carb and 4 new cheap spark plugs to get the jetting close enough for your altitude. higher altitudes need less gas, not more... over 2000'.... over 3000' lose power anyway no matter how much gas put into it cuz less air to mix with gas so unburned gas goes out the tail pipe.
E bay parts... new side cover gasket to get the .003 to .013" crankshaft end play for heat expansion 22# springs for 6500 rpm's... shim them for 6900 rpms when the motor is pretty much out of breath anyway with stock valve hole openings, just making noise after that and really stressing the engine. GX200 u tube video on screaming the HONDA 200x with some perf parts. 15 hp and 15 ft/lbs... til the end of the test at 7000. torque from 3500 to 4500 where it starts to fall as HP climbs.
Can u put it all together for me then
I only like it because of the rev limiter honestly and I think it would be cool just to put a billit rod and flywheel and chrome olly push rods and send it
for the money... get stock predator, $56 cast alum flywheel, $65 rod, 22 springs, CM 265 cam. $20 wen e bay dremel grinder to port head nicely. header, $20 intake, $20 22mm carb... n $12 for jets for PK 22mm carb and 4 new cheap spark plugs to get the jetting close enough for your altitute. higher altitudes need less gas, not more... over 2000'.... over 3000' lose power anyway no matter how much gas put into it cuz less air to mix with gas so unburned gas goes out the tail pipe.
@@gmcinnis6304 yea but no rev limiter
So ive recently bought a tony kart to take to the track and it currently has a built tillitson 212(parts unknown) and i cant seem to get the damn thing running right(it runs just not well at all, i put in a new spark plug, carburetor, fuel pump) the main things… nothing. Would this motor be a good option performance right out of the box and for a decent price and ease of use?
I would say "Yes" considering the "out of box" scenario. Just based on what your other options are. A Briggs lo206 for $599, or a Predator, Tillotson, or Ducar ranging from $129-$249. Many would argue the Ducar because of the flywheel but that's the only engine euipped with the pvl flywheel (Check out Kentucky fried fixin's) video. The Tillotson claim 10hp out of the box. I've had two and I would say more on par with a stock Predator. The Ghost's main drawback is you either have to wait for the proprietary accessory kit ($150) or piece together your own based on your needs ( air cleaner, header pipe, pulse pump, fuel lines, etc.). Hope this helps.
Adjust your valves. Almost guarantee you are hanging an exhaust valve open.
I have a Hammerhead T80 go cart and need to swap out the engine. It came with a Honda clone 212cc engine that ran insanely well but locked up because of natural causes. (we wore it out) What engine should I choose for performance, Do you think the HF 224cc would be a good choice? Thanks you for your time. I enjoy your channel.
224 is a beast if you put a mikuni on it. 125 jet
Cart racing version of a 602 sealed chevy crate motor for dirt track cars
I almost bought this then I did some research and the discount gods looked down on me so I ended up with a 420cc a upgraded carb an header brand new for less than the ghost with the accessory kit. The kit is 150btw.
Big black bay bay!
We need more hopped up versions of little engines. If there is a need, then there is also an inevitable discount isle. Remember the 212 retail for $200, but they hit sale at $99. The future is bright adventurers!
120 is the highest I've ever paid for a 212 in 7 years of buying them
@@la_plata3588 Theyre now $150 and were on sale recently for $130 (after taxes)
@@ChristopherJones16 why are you @ him tho..you should be replying to the OP
@@ChristopherJones16 think i paid like $147 for mine last may 🤷♂️
@@MOE13576 because I was talking to la plata. Also why do I need to @ the OP when he can see all the comments made to his post.
Yoo I bought gts mine bike frame and I don’t know much I don’t wanna race or have anything thats has to due with extreme engine build but I want a good reliable engine with some quick upgrades that will make me reach high speeds what do recommend?
A stock predator with a stage 1 kit and a torque converter
Thank you so much
Right now the regular Predator 212 is $160, the Max Performance 224 is at $199 ($40 difference) and the Ghost is $299($140 difference 😳), what are your thoughts about the Max Performance 224 vs the regular 212 for a difference of $40? They claim a 10% increase in power. I'm looking to find a decent used off-road go kart or mini bike frame that needs some tlc and an engine to have some fun with and lower end torque is what I'll be after rather than high speed hp. I'll be running a torque converter as well so I have another question, it's been a few years since I learned about this but supposedly these little torque converters can be adjusted to provide either more low speed torque or high speed power besides the normal sprocket size changes that can also be made and I am curious if you're aware of this and if so have you messed with the different adjustments and what your opinion is about them and if you think it makes a difference?
If you plan on modding them, the 224 is the best option…. If leaving relatively stock, ghost 212
It has the hemi head the carburetor and the governor is already removed, I mean I would buy the performance red engine the base predator 212 block casting is cheaper thinner you can see it in the casting especially were the fuel tank mounts
So someone is expected to create a class just for this engine? So when is Harbor Freight releasing the racing chassis for this class and is it dirt oval or Sprint kart like Tillotson? If there's no racing class for this engine with the.250 something lift cam, slide carb, rev limited coil, and squeeze casted rod, then it's just a marketing ploy and not worth anybody's money in my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know of a class this engine can compete in as released?
I think it's dependant on the people buying them to develope the class. It's marketed to compete against the l0206. It class compatibility with "most racing chassis 's"
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Man that flywheel is a disappointment for sure. Kart racers definitely don't need cast iron spinning at max rpm.
It only revs to 6k. The flywheel will be fine.
@@DariusBuildz There have been a few flywheels blowing up on completely stock 212s at 3600 rpm.
Yeah I'm sure they'll hold up fine.
Until they don't and your 8 year old is layed out on the track with a chunk of flywheel in their head.
@@contraband1543 do you REALLY think they would throw one on a platform where they are trying to establish a cart league for the motor, out the box, that couldn’t stand up to 6k? Remember that your 212 is suppose to stay at 3600. Where have you seen one explode at 3600? Where? Feel free to share your evidence, bc it was probably ungoverned when the flywheel let go
To be fair, it is an improved flywheel
@@contraband1543 why so gruesome dam dude
Check out the article about the Ghost on EC Carburetors website. I'd share the link but I don't know how.
wtf ya talking about... they are the EXACT same engine internally.. the ghost just comes with a slide carb and a cheater cam pre installed.. THATS IT.. people have been building the 212 into race engines for YEARS..
Folks out there. Trust me, Big Dog knows what he's talking about.
any idea how much power it puts out???
From what I'm reading approx 9hp. Not sure with the head gasket and longer intake.
Still buying it .
Isn’t there a way to remove the digital govner on a ghost engine?
Yeah just put a stock 212 coil on and a new flywheel
So what's faster...............a ghost or a stage 1 predator? I haven't seen any info on how many rpms or hp the ghost is
Probably about the same.
I’m gonna buy all of those ghost engines I can get my hands on and put them in my mini bikes and go karts that I never bring to the track and to just cruise around town w/ my ppls
when can build ur own stock predator for abt the same money with BILLET ROD n cast $56 flywheel for NON hemi engine... with CM .265" lift cam $65 e bay, 22# springs for 6500 rpm when without a good port job on the head it is out of breath anyway. $20 PZ 22mm carb and $20 alum intake, in various colors from CN in 3 weeks or so. new side cover gasket to set crankshaft end play of .003 to .015 (click click... not CLUNK CLUNK) for lubrication and heat expansion.
If you do have a predator ghosts than just get a new coil so it doesn’t have the rev limiter
I said that on FB and they came at me like I smacked one of their new born kids. People think it’s a 212R or something. Like it’s going to be making 15Hp
Ehh , it’s all a moot point IMO. For any of this to matter, there actually has to be club racing series set up for these engines. Right now, at least in the asphalt sprint track world, I don’t foresee any HF “race” engine club racing anytime in the future. It’d be fun to show up at a track with your kart decked out in HF livery though 😝
They are already starting the leagues you speak of. Serious karters are sick of the $1200 brand name engine gouging so they are looking for a new affordable class.
WatchJRGO HAS THIS ENGINE AND THE ACCESSORY KIT
HE HAS A VIDEO
Boy I can only imagine the nasty things the mikuni's are gonna want to do to this new motor😜😂😂😂
They did that because they know most people are dropping one in I think.
I have zero plans on buying the ghost. They only way I would consider it is if they sold it for the same as a regular 212 nemi.dont know how they are planning on a league unless they start selling them sealed. Customer they ones I've seen reviewed are not sealed
thread lock on side cover bolts is what "seals" it... no safety wire with lead stamped thingie on it to show that the seal hasnt been broken for rules type kart racing.
At least somebody made a video that actually knows what the intended purpose of the engine is.
best vid so does the ghost have the gov removed?????
Oh geeze!!
What’s your opinion on the 224?
Great motor. I'm running it in a 350lb kart that runs neck and neck with a Predator 212 in a 150lb kart. Loads of torque. Great motor if your kart is heavy. I have removed the governor and it runs a 22mm mikuni clone
Get the 224 it's already stroked and the block is beefier
I dont know much about motors and trying to learn from these videos asking questions about the lingo.. but what does "already stroked" mean?
@@ChristopherJones16 The 224 has a 58mm stroke crankshaft. The standard 212 has a 55mm stroke crankshaft. Being that the 224 has a 70mm bore, you could say that the 224 is a stroked 212.
@@Deucealive75 so technically both are “stroked” then? One just has a larger stroke. So is there such a thing as a non-stroked crankshaft?
@@ChristopherJones16 I wouldn't call a 212 a stroked engine because it originally started with a 55mm stroke. Just as the Honda GX200 and 196 clones start with 54mm stroke. Both have "non-stroked" crankshafts.
Change the coil and it will work duhhhhhhhhh
This engine will sale and do well because most people that ride do not have the skill set to build a motor and this engine offers more bolt on performance than any other on the market, no governor to take out and it revs to 6000 rpm's how can you say not to buy this when most people are novices
Perfect for me hehe plug n play baby
so is this better then the gopowersports staged one tilly for $525
I have a question can I put a ghost in a fourwheeler
I put a modded 301 in a four-wheeler.
Probably now, the Ghost doesn't have enough power or torque.
well i saw the ghost on a dyno,and at bout 4200 rpm was max hp at bout 11,and max torque was at bout 4900 rpm,if buying the other one,the money spent to get that perf.out of it would be more than the ghost,if u have no small engine building experience,and putting it on my bicycle not to race but run,well under the 6000rpm limiter,it will have longevity. its cheaper that a 79cc stage 2 engine,which has less than the hp of the ghost. i would hope that the electric starter from a regular predator would work on a ghost,am awaiting an answer on that. i got a fella building a twin tube header pipe for me,
you looking for mini bike
Easy fix you buy a new coil and a billet flywheel
Accessories kit $149.99
WOW!!!! that is quite a bit. stock 212 comes with everything... but PZ 22 mm carb and intake. both $22 on ebay.
the Ghost would be a single class in kart racing. it wouldn't be a wholesale change to all karting
You missed the point of the engine 😂😂
No billet flywheel or rod. Why? Gimmick.
It has a governor.
Yes, although a lot higher than 3600 rpms though.
is it a ghost bc you cant fine the gas tank
Yes
You could get a 420 for cheaper.
Then why do you have one ?
Lol, I have two. Because I ❤️ go karts! Honestly the video was to counter some of the hype.
These engines are all fine and good if you are wanting to run asphalt like these are intended.. they aren't really doing anything for the dirt oval kart racers.. we are better off to stick with the regular Ole hemi or non hemi 212 predator
non hemi? as the cast alum flywheel is $56 as even the other cast alum PVL NON hemi flywheel is now almost the same price of the BLING BLING BILLET FLYWHEEL $120 vs. $130? when PVL was $70 it was a buy, not at $120 when bling BILLET flywheel is $130. billet rod $65, CM .265" lift cam, 22# springs for 6500, with .060" shims under springs 7000 rpm where it is out of breath even with decent port job as the intake valve hole is too small to move more air thru it and it is just making more noise and stressing parts that much more. 32/28mm head $130 on e bay. 22-26# springs avail on e bay, valves too as the head is shppped bare, no port job, no springs/retainers etc. that wud be to make power to 9000???? i dont want to be anywhere around a motor that is turning that many RPM's as if somethi8ng explodes... right under your FEMORAL arterry in ur inner thigh... 3 mins and .... GAME OVER!!! BLACK HAWK DOWN... ITS THE FEMORAL! if we dont get him to the hospital REAL SOON....
Do they still sell the hemi version at your local HF? Its been out of stock at mine and every HF store in my state since before xmas 2021.
@@ChristopherJones16 yes they still carry both
@@gmcinnis6304 that's if you running them modded.. the majority of kart racers in the us are running them in the box stock configuration where it will never see those rpms and can't have any of the above mentioned work done to them so that's all negligible in this instance of a racing standpoint.. there are some classes that run them modded but 80 percent of the racing in the usa running a 212 predator is bone stock
I heard they used Michael Jackson's reincarnated soul to make these things.
Lmao when you rev it, it goes shum'on!
@@igokarts4510 🤣🤣🤣 followed by a loud heeheeeh
@@SoulPurposeGarage 😂 ❤️ 😂 ❤️
You should change your video title to: "Who should buy the Predator Ghost 212."
But I wanna go fast
That motor still has stock internals just like a normal predator.
I think the cams a little hotter than stock.
this guy is gonna be mad when i go to stock races with a swapped coil off a 212
So don’t buy it, why’s everyone crying lol
so you can built to 212 pred for 325$
$ sign in front of #'s $325... roughly yes. the $ is the flywheel. NON hemi cast alum flywheel is $70 now. the PVL HEMI flywheel is $92... was $76 when i bought it a few yrs ago. cams are same price $65 for CM .265" lift. intake same $20, PZ 22 carb and air filter $23 shipped off e bay. billet rod $65. new side cover gasket $8? .009" head gasket shim... 3 for $10. header... ZOOOOMIE INTO STRATOSPHERE $40 with muffler as we are all tired of LOUD THINGS and KAREN's are really really tired of LOUD THINGS AND CAN DIAL 911 faster than u can say it.
Im lazy and want more horsepower
There's more cam mo strk mo bore more to,,,realy init use ur gears folks
Watch Jr go you tube channel the 212 race mortor rips
how much
Heard they’re going for $299
can build ur own for ~$300 with e bay parts... CAST ALUM flywheel $56, BILLET ROD $65, PZ22mm carb $20 with air filter a little more (get the air filter with carb as alone the air filter is $10... with the carb it is not that much more so save $5 at least getting carb and air filter together).
CM .265" lift cam $56? on e bay. WEN/ e bay dremel grinder to port head with lots of 80 grit sanding drums and at least 5 mandrels to put the sanding drums on as they destroy themselves from time to time. dust mask safety GOGGLES to keep sand/silica/ alum shavings out of lungs/eyes... do it outside in breeze so the cuttings are carried away in breeze... or shop vac if u have one.. regular vac works too, disconnect the hose from the vacuum head.
new side cover gasket to set end play to .003" to .015" click click... not CLUNK CLUNK... or nothing for heat expansion/oiling. 22# springs for 6500 RPM when it is out of breath anyway. shim them with .060" shims to get 7000 when it is done making power and just making noise and stressing parts