@@munyun8344 it’s facts ! KD doesn’t guarantee a chip . If so Nets or Okc would have Won atleast 1 you got to put the right team around him not deplete the team and send him there 😂
they want Kevin Durant to be better than LeBron so bad. you got to remember a few people put a lie to energy and trying to make Kevin Durant better than LeBron james. and the only time they had that conversation was when Kevin Durant was winning easy championships with golden state. if Kevin Durant don't go to Golden state. and you still have the stats. he probably won't even be a top 20 player. I don't know what this big push is to try to save his legacy when he not even putting in the effort to do it himself
KD doesn't make you a championship contender in a trade. That has never been true. KD went to a stacked team who lost by 1 game in a 7 games series in the finals. He hasn't proved he can guide a team to the title.
Totally disagree with Wildes and Broussard about Boston. Jaylen Brown is 25 and has continued to improve on both ends. KD will be 34 next season, and while he’s better than Jaylen and Tatum right now, his age and injury history suggest his decline is imminent. I don’t know if Boston will make it back to the Finals with their current roster, but I also don’t think it’s a guarantee that will happen with KD. Why not run it back and retain your assets instead of blowing it up to bet on an uncertain title run?
Boston caught a couple of nice breaks this finals run.. no Middleton and no Herro (6MOY). So it is going to be very hard for them to get back if they stay the same. If they only trade Brown and picks for KD, Boston would get substantially better. Jaylen is a nice player, but he's no Kevin Durant.
@@jorgegamboa5821 Tatum and Brown can still take that next step, Steph and Klay did. I’m not saying they’ll become the splash bros. But I am saying they can still reach another level that could put them over the top.
Well I totally agree with him. No matter how good Brown becomes he's never gonna be close to KD. Adding KD gives you 3-4 year run for the title. What do assets mean if you just keep them for the sake of it, winning is the thing that matters. No guarantee Boston wins with either Brown of KD, because guarantees do not exist in life, much less in sport. However, your chances are much higher with KD, or at least I think so and that is what Wildes is pointing out. Not even talking about just Boston. Let's take the Raptors example: let's say Barnes develops to be great. That could give you a chance of 10% of winning a title over the next 10-15 years (the number is probably lowe as a looooot of factors influence this). Now, let's say KD gives you just 11% chance of winning over 4 years, you take that chance. Bottom line is a lot of factors go into winning a championship/developing a star player (A LOT). KD is a certainty, no other player not named Curry, LeBron, Giannis, Embiid, Jokic or Doncic (throwing a younger one) are.
@@jorgegamboa5821 KD is absolutely better than Jaylen, but the Nets reportedly want a king’s ransom for an injury prone star who’s at or approaching the end of his prime. I’m not sure you can say definitively that KD would guarantee a championship when he’s never done that outside of Golden State. Is that worth blowing up your team for? Who’s to say he won’t force his way off his next team if things don’t go well enough?
Chris is tripping lately… Barnes, Siakam, AND VanVleet for Durant? Or Butler AND Bam? That’s ridiculous. Devin Booker can’t even be traded since he just signed his extension.
Did you see what they asked the Twolves for? KAT and ANT with 4 picks is way better than both those deals. Butler is close to mid 30's and Bam has been exposed in the playoffs. That Raptors trade only makes sense if it comes with picks.
That's not what he said at all... Were you listening lol... Firstly he said Barnes and Siakum for Durant... Not Barnes, Siakum and Vanvleet... The Vanvleet part was if it was Barnes snd Anunoby... You would have to add Vanvleet with those two guys... He never said Barnes, Siakum and Vanvleet Secondly, the Devin Booker part he was saying theoretically...
cmon he played with westbrook for how many years? just dont say ohh but hes MVP superstar triple double machine, yes he is and he is perfect for a bad team to be a shining light and carry them, but winning chip with Point like russ? cmon.
Lebron cant get a ring in Cleveland. What did he do. He went to miami with 2 superstar PLUS RAY ALLEN. He went back to Cleveland because Kyrie, Kevin love , Tristan thompson is already there, not to mention JR Smith , Kyle Corver. Then he went to Lakers . What happened. Eliminated. Then in the summer of 2019 He took everybody . AD, Howard, Danny Green, Rajon Rondo. That is the GOAT in recruiting hahaha
@@EventualWarlord in denial about what? well maybe i had to put more info about my views, I actually think that KD cant win without another player being a leader so mostly agree with a point, but at the other hand not that much info cuz most of his carrier he played with Russ, and while Russ was insane on paper at the start of his prime i already said that this guy would never win a championship while hes starting point guard for any team, his only chance is when hes old and playing from the bench. Just no chance you are favorite to win when your point guard playing against the best shooter of all time and see him stop & pop 3 pointer and he decides to do the same while being terrible perimeter shooter. And for Durant, I actually think nothing wrong to just be very good ball player who just wants to go on the court and play, but at the same time if you are like this, having conversations for him to be one of all time greatests sounds silly to me. Steph>KD and for me its not even that close as other people sees it.
The raptors disrespect.. they say it will take Scottie + Siakam and vanvleet and picks to get KD. Then Nick says he wouldn’t trade Mobley for KD 1 for 1!? Not to mention Chris can’t doesn’t even know OG’s name
The problem with the Wolves trading Edwards for KD, is that KD is on the back end of his career, and has an extensive injury history. This means your window for success is very short in a league stacked with great teams. But since Edwards is on his rookie deal, and will almost certainly sign an extension + potentially a supermax after that, you're talking about well over a decade of his _potential_ greatness
Nah I'd rather have KD for next 2 years with a better chance of winning the chip, then keeping Edwards for 10 years, with a slightly lower chance of winning the chip
@Alex F That's reasonable, but I think there's a few problems with it. 1. Kyrie isn't going anywhere except LA. Kyrie has stated that he won't play anywhere else and his career shows that we should believe it. 2. Brooklyn probably won't agree to that anyways. That seems too light for both of them. I would love to see that and it probably would make Minnesota contenders, but I don't see it actually happening.
It's amazing that the Nets destroyed their roster filled with good young players for nothing, essentially crippling their franchise for years to come. The starting 5 would have been: D-Lo, Dinwiddie, Harris, LaVert, and Allen.
@@michaelkapelis287 you clowns keep bringing that old team up and it turned into kyrie kd and harden I'm sure 10 outta 10 is gonna take the second team you keep bringing up that trash 🤣
@@michaelkapelis287 they got everything for free lol. The team was destroyed a decade ago. The Nets are loaded with upcoming picks compared to where they were...
Part of me thinks they are asking for everything so they have an excuse to give both KD and Kyrie the finger and bring them back to the roster for training camp when no one is willing to pay up 🤣
The fact that the majority of championships are won by teams with a top 15 player doesn't prove that you need to get someone who is ALREADY considered a top 15 player to win a championship. It may merely mean that AFTER winning a championship, the best player on a team tends to be considered part of the top 15.
@@ahmedsuleman3157 Top 10-12 in your playing days? Top 10-12 in your heyday is a cry from top 15 in the last 50 years. Otherwise, guys like Malone Barkley Stockton Ewing Miller Webber Iverson ... would all be there.
I'd trade one star and 2 first rounders. Those first round picks are worthless with KD on the team anyways. Anything more is pushing. He's 34 and emotional in the off-season
The Gobert trade was insane -- and I like Rudy -- but T-wolves are out of their minds. That's what you give up to get Kareem or Hakeem in their prime! -- not Rudy! Even for Jokic or Embiid ... it's a stretch. It's not clear it will work with KAT moving to power forward.😂 KAT is a great shooter but a bit of a bonehead.
@@omnitheus5442 why would the Nets trade KD for that when they could easily get at least Bridges and those picks instead. Wolves were never getting KD without Edwards
KD has played 5 more games than Zion since Zion was drafted. Also, as long as Ben Simmons is on the Nets, the Pelicans actually can’t trade Zion to the Nets.
Ok fair, but teams full of young talent never know if they have a guy that could turn into a top 20 player in the league. So trading 3 or 4 players who have unlimited potential for a 34 year old with a major injury in his history just doesn't make much sense to me.
Here’s the thing the fact is Brooklyn doesn’t have to trade KD he’s locked in for 4 years with no player option and if they don’t trade him what’s he going to do sit out and not play? It’s going to be a long 4 years if he decides he wants to do that he’s turning 34 this year these are the last years of him playing at his peak I doubt he wants to waste years 34-38 sitting down
Ayton, Bridges, 6 picks and 5 pick swaps isn’t enough for KD? There’s a very real possibility KD’s contract is a bad deal in a year or 2, he’s signed until he’s 38 and he’s already shown signs of regression.
I wouldn't give up a lot for Durant he's not old but he's not like LeBron he can shoot so he can give you 20 a night until he's 40 but he can't lead a team to championship that's been proven time and time again
Lebron just averaged 30 points for the season at 38 years old lol you gotta quit taking skips takes to heart no way KD will average even close to 30 at 38 years old
I'm with Nick on the fact that if I'm giving you an all star level player, I'm only giving you 2 picks, max. As for his list, I think Brou took it wrong. I think he meant straight up talent for talent, plus factoring in age. I don't think he took current roster construction into it. If that's the case, I might disagree with a couple players on there, but I totally get it.
If KD was 5 years younger and did not have that Achilles injury, then I can see the haul the Nets are expecting. They won’t get that with this version of KD.
KD age doesn’t Matter he is 33 he is a Skill based player not Athleticism he Is a guaranteed 30 ppg on Skill alone Noo player in the NBA has that Value efficiency and effectiveness doesn’t matter they Age
As with any NBA championship it comes down to luck and things breaking right for you. You could assemble the Allstar team and they aren't guaranteed success.
Why do people think KD guarantees a chip?!? I’m confused 🤔 besides his tenured in GS he has 1 Finals appearance & lost in the playoffs every year. THATS IN HIS PRIME!! Why would I mortgage my future for a 34 year old injury prone KD?!?
The answer is NOOOO! Is KD a team player or only worried about KD? KD took a few lessons on BS from Kyrie. You don't win a chip alone! You gotta be a team player to win!
This is definitely, absolutely, positively one of the best in depth takes we've seen in a while. This was very thought out, and very detail oriented. Thanks.
@@Cbrunning849 Jimmy led a team to the finals.. KD led a team to the finals (OKC) & im pretty sure if you add Jimmy to the warriors in 2017-2018, they’d still win it all.. therefore Jimmy & KD are on the same level
In the past 30 years you need at least a top 25 player to win a chip. Only one time has a team won without one and that's the Pistons in 2004. That may change once thus current crop retires but as it stands that is the barometer. The only player that looks like they are heading there is Luka maybe Tatum.
That Pistons team was the perfect storm of a bunch of very good players who played well together (and also played great defense) that went up against a dynasty in the Lakers that was already on the decline. When it comes to how teams need a transcendent superstar to win a championship, I wonder how much of this is chicken versus egg. The NBA is a superstar driven league and they are invested in superstars getting their chips and as such the games are refereed to reflect the league's interests.
The use of draft picks as trade assets is going to be a big issue in the next CBA negotiations. Curtailing this practice is one way owners can curb their own worst impulses when pursuing megastars and control top end player movement.
Wouldn’t say that you should need your head examined if you disagree with trading brown and picks for KD, KD just came off an chilled tear and will be 34 before the start of next season. This past season he missed time from injury as well. Brown has a much higher chance of playing 75+ games. Not to mention he plays better defense.
Everyone keeps saying players controlling their destination is a bad thing. I don't think I agree, yet. All other sports work this way and I am interested in what these teams look like 10 years from now. The skill difference is also closing and a league expansion will be needed soon. My guess, 8 years.
Kd would at best give you 50 games next year with significantly less defense then jaylen and his offense would take away from tatum. No i wouldnt do 34 year old kd for 25 year old jaylen. Prime kd yes but not now.
I love Chris Broussard's takes. Even if you don't agree with everything he says, you appreciate and respect the reasoning behind his arguments. So interesting a while back when First Take begun, Skip accused him of having "sold his soul"/ Journalist Integrity, because he was defending Lebron. Turns out Skip was talking about himself.
A lot of people, including the Nets and many fans, want to act like this is prime KD from 4-5 years ago on the trading block. It isn't. This is an aging, post major injury KD on the trading block.
Can we stop mentioning how many games KD played vs kyrie when he was injured the first season its pushing a false narrative.. kyrie been sitting regards of his health.
Break the bank for a soon to be 34 year old player who constantly waffles? Absolutely not. I'm a Suns fan and I would give Ayton/Bridges OR Johnson and a couple picks. That's it. Anything more and what's the point?
Since 1990’s every NBA dynasty has run the triangle. Bulls, bulls, Lakers, GS. In fact over the past 32 NBA seasons 15 of the winning teams ran the triangle. So nearly 50% of teams over a 30 plus year window who won the NBA championship ran the triangle……. And that number will continue to grow.
First time Warriors got Durant, it was a free agent signing. They had to trade Andrew Bogut away to make room for Durant's salary but otherwise they didn't have to give up players. This time they would have to give up Wiggins -- who played great in the finals -- & Kuminga, etc. to get him. Wiggins is just 27 and not having health issues. And a better defender. Durant at 34, with recent injury issues and a questionable attitude, is probably not the right choice for the Warriors who have great chemistry and just won a title without KD.
it is really up whether a team wants to WIN NOW 1 or maybe 2 championship (if lucky) or the team is preparing to create a DYNASTY that would give them more than 2 championship. is it the quick route or the long haul.
This is crazy.. historically speeking you need a top 5 player in the league to win a championship. I would bet on a 3 years stretch of tries with KD over any player on this list aside of Curry, Luka and Giannis. Embiid and Jokic are great but this is a guard oriented league. Tatum floped on this finals on a way I wouldn't see KD flopping. Memphis at certain point was playing better without Ja and Zion is very enjury prone. Mobley and Edwards I'm not even going to discuss. If I was on Minesota entourage and I would know for a fact that the GM declined a trade of Edwards for KD I would call the cops.
The CAVS can afford KD and maintain a great roster. Why is nobody discussing this? Check the trade machine. Evan Mobley, Kevin Love, Okoro and Osman for Durant and Joe Harris. The Cavs roster is Garland - Levert - KD - Markkanen - Allen. Sexton - Harris - Rubio off the bench
Honestly I would trade Jason Tatum for KD, and not Jalen Brown. Not that it's a popular opinion. I feel you would give up less if you were Boston if you did that trade.
Is KD still in his prime? Maybe or at the end of it. Thing is he is a depreciating asset at 34 years old. Doesn't make sense giving up the farm for him. Need depth to win it all. That's why golden state got lucky. All they had to do was make the numbers work because they added him instead of trading for him.
Can I ask a serious question? Of these top 15, can any of them be replaced by Kawhi in your mind? Cause I see at least 3 that can. I think Kawhis peak powers are that great. But injury has caused us to forget his greatness.
Other than the great playoff run in Toronto,what has Kawhi, done for a team. I am sure Nets wouldn't trade Durant even up for him, Miami wouldn't trade Butler straight up for Kawhi.
@@williamyoung7452 Kawhi's great, but he's not transcendent. You could argue Kawhi is just Jimmy Butler with more luck. If Butler was drafted by the Spurs, he could have 2 FVMPs. Butler's only had 3 years with a solid org in Miami. MN was bad, CHI and PHI were meh orgs
I think the only team that should go for this move is the Blazers in December. Dame is 30 and the chances of getting another star committed to play there that plays at that level is so low. I think they have to break the bank to get him and KD on the same roster to make runs while they are still both in their primes. I really don’t see any other team giving up that much. Especially teams with young stars as their best players which the Nets would want. I also think that if KD isn’t traded by then, the Blazers have a chance to test Anfernee and Sharpe on the court with Dame. I think depending in how they look, the could trade for KD. If they look like an actual team that can go deep, than don’t trade for him but if they look nice but they’re still at best a 2nd round exit, just go on with the deal.
I thought Curry was declining I thought LeBron was declining BTW: also played for the USA Basketball last summer... remember that Gold Medal? KD is still one of the top 5 current player
Kyrie preLebron: 0 playoffs Kyrie after leaving Lebron: 17-18: Injured before playoffs, team is one quarter away from the finals (ECF game 7) without him. 18-19: Makes team worse, Historically bad series vs Bucks, shoots 30% FG and 18% 3PT, loses round 2, leaves team. (Giannis made more 3’s than Kyrie in series) 19-20: Plays 20 games with losing record, says team needs more help, shuts it down for season, Nets improve and make playoffs without him. 20-21: Injured in playoffs, loses round 2. Losing record without Harden all year. 21-22: Plays 20 games with losing record, gets swept first round and averages 15.3 PPG on 37% FG in the last 3/4 games. He would be a Stephon Marbury clone without Lebron, Harden, and Durant. FREE KD
The kind of return Brooklyn is asking for is WAAAAYYYYYY out of reach. Nobody is giving away their future for an aging superstar who doesn’t commit to a team.
You could replace KD with Kawhi in that list and you'd have only 3 teams who won without players from the list. And I m not sure trading kD with JB (and the rest you have to add in to make it even) would be worth it
Why can't we do DeAndre Ayton, picks, and whatever salary is needed for Kyrie and KD to the Suns? Brooklyn in the desert but they'd also have better supporting players and coach
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NO.
Kd doesn’t guarantee a championship. Plain and simple nobody is trading their team to get him.
Kd hate train going crazy this summer
You right
@@munyun8344 It’s not KD hate. Dude is turning 34 and nobody is giving that up for an older KD. Maybe if he was 27.
@@munyun8344 it’s facts ! KD doesn’t guarantee a chip . If so Nets or Okc would have Won atleast 1 you got to put the right team around him not deplete the team and send him there 😂
@Alex F Not Enough Shooters My Dude 😭 and who’s gonna lead ? KD ? 💀
Why is everybody acting like KD can lead a team to a championship by himself ?
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they want Kevin Durant to be better than LeBron so bad. you got to remember a few people put a lie to energy and trying to make Kevin Durant better than LeBron james. and the only time they had that conversation was when Kevin Durant was winning easy championships with golden state. if Kevin Durant don't go to Golden state. and you still have the stats. he probably won't even be a top 20 player. I don't know what this big push is to try to save his legacy when he not even putting in the effort to do it himself
@@MicMucique2 when did lebron ever do it himself?
@@shervinbayat671: never.........not one time.....
KD doesn't make you a championship contender in a trade. That has never been true. KD went to a stacked team who lost by 1 game in a 7 games series in the finals. He hasn't proved he can guide a team to the title.
Totally disagree with Wildes and Broussard about Boston. Jaylen Brown is 25 and has continued to improve on both ends. KD will be 34 next season, and while he’s better than Jaylen and Tatum right now, his age and injury history suggest his decline is imminent. I don’t know if Boston will make it back to the Finals with their current roster, but I also don’t think it’s a guarantee that will happen with KD. Why not run it back and retain your assets instead of blowing it up to bet on an uncertain title run?
Boston caught a couple of nice breaks this finals run.. no Middleton and no Herro (6MOY). So it is going to be very hard for them to get back if they stay the same. If they only trade Brown and picks for KD, Boston would get substantially better. Jaylen is a nice player, but he's no Kevin Durant.
@@jorgegamboa5821 Tatum and Brown can still take that next step, Steph and Klay did. I’m not saying they’ll become the splash bros. But I am saying they can still reach another level that could put them over the top.
I like Jaylen Brown a whole lot but I’ll drive him to the airport myself in return for KD. He isn’t anywhere close to the player KD is
Well I totally agree with him. No matter how good Brown becomes he's never gonna be close to KD. Adding KD gives you 3-4 year run for the title. What do assets mean if you just keep them for the sake of it, winning is the thing that matters. No guarantee Boston wins with either Brown of KD, because guarantees do not exist in life, much less in sport. However, your chances are much higher with KD, or at least I think so and that is what Wildes is pointing out. Not even talking about just Boston. Let's take the Raptors example: let's say Barnes develops to be great. That could give you a chance of 10% of winning a title over the next 10-15 years (the number is probably lowe as a looooot of factors influence this). Now, let's say KD gives you just 11% chance of winning over 4 years, you take that chance. Bottom line is a lot of factors go into winning a championship/developing a star player (A LOT). KD is a certainty, no other player not named Curry, LeBron, Giannis, Embiid, Jokic or Doncic (throwing a younger one) are.
@@jorgegamboa5821 KD is absolutely better than Jaylen, but the Nets reportedly want a king’s ransom for an injury prone star who’s at or approaching the end of his prime. I’m not sure you can say definitively that KD would guarantee a championship when he’s never done that outside of Golden State. Is that worth blowing up your team for? Who’s to say he won’t force his way off his next team if things don’t go well enough?
Chris is tripping lately… Barnes, Siakam, AND VanVleet for Durant? Or Butler AND Bam? That’s ridiculous. Devin Booker can’t even be traded since he just signed his extension.
he even said butler + bam isn’t close to the value of KD lmaoo 🤣 man is delusional
He is trying to be a joker to replace Jouqain Pheonix 😂😂
Did you see what they asked the Twolves for? KAT and ANT with 4 picks is way better than both those deals. Butler is close to mid 30's and Bam has been exposed in the playoffs. That Raptors trade only makes sense if it comes with picks.
That's not what he said at all... Were you listening lol... Firstly he said Barnes and Siakum for Durant... Not Barnes, Siakum and Vanvleet... The Vanvleet part was if it was Barnes snd Anunoby... You would have to add Vanvleet with those two guys... He never said Barnes, Siakum and Vanvleet
Secondly, the Devin Booker part he was saying theoretically...
@@allenmk138 didn't see the wolves saying yes to it tho
That's why I admire GS culture they draft well and there's respect top to bottom.
Except when the formed an unbeatable team with kd
@@Sc19869 nonetheless they are a dynasty you have to respect their accomplishments.
@@Sc19869 I'm on the notion you can ask, the worse thing they say is no. At that point, I feel its on KD for joining GSW.
The answer is “No”. KD has proven that he can’t win without a lineup full of HOFers in their prime. What has he done without Steph?
💯💯💯facts
cmon he played with westbrook for how many years? just dont say ohh but hes MVP superstar triple double machine, yes he is and he is perfect for a bad team to be a shining light and carry them, but winning chip with Point like russ? cmon.
Lebron cant get a ring in Cleveland. What did he do. He went to miami with 2 superstar PLUS RAY ALLEN. He went back to Cleveland because Kyrie, Kevin love , Tristan thompson is already there, not to mention JR Smith , Kyle Corver. Then he went to Lakers . What happened. Eliminated. Then in the summer of 2019 He took everybody . AD, Howard, Danny Green, Rajon Rondo. That is the GOAT in recruiting hahaha
@@sharondeleon4950 I didn’t even mention LeBron??? Does he just live in your head??? What does Lebron have to do with this statement??? Lol
@@EventualWarlord in denial about what? well maybe i had to put more info about my views, I actually think that KD cant win without another player being a leader so mostly agree with a point, but at the other hand not that much info cuz most of his carrier he played with Russ, and while Russ was insane on paper at the start of his prime i already said that this guy would never win a championship while hes starting point guard for any team, his only chance is when hes old and playing from the bench. Just no chance you are favorite to win when your point guard playing against the best shooter of all time and see him stop & pop 3 pointer and he decides to do the same while being terrible perimeter shooter. And for Durant, I actually think nothing wrong to just be very good ball player who just wants to go on the court and play, but at the same time if you are like this, having conversations for him to be one of all time greatests sounds silly to me. Steph>KD and for me its not even that close as other people sees it.
The raptors disrespect.. they say it will take Scottie + Siakam and vanvleet and picks to get KD. Then Nick says he wouldn’t trade Mobley for KD 1 for 1!? Not to mention Chris can’t doesn’t even know OG’s name
Mobley is untouchable bc of his youth and no one can limit his ceiling right now.
KD is amazing. But he is 34
Micah Lawrence same thing applies to Scottie Barnes
@@zaynrivers7433 not to me. Scottie is great. Just doesn’t have the size X factor.
Scottie could maybe be Kawhi.
Mobley could be maybe be Giannis.
Micah Lawrence Scottie can get full court in like 3 dribbles I def think he can be Giannis lol
@@zaynrivers7433 he’s great. Just isn’t 7 ft tall
Nick is right about this. KD is not as valuable at 34
He is finished, he can only win a championship if he goes to play with a top 5 player
The problem with the Wolves trading Edwards for KD, is that KD is on the back end of his career, and has an extensive injury history. This means your window for success is very short in a league stacked with great teams. But since Edwards is on his rookie deal, and will almost certainly sign an extension + potentially a supermax after that, you're talking about well over a decade of his _potential_ greatness
Get the Championship NOW
Nah I'd rather have KD for next 2 years with a better chance of winning the chip, then keeping Edwards for 10 years, with a slightly lower chance of winning the chip
@@conanho8445 Would you rather have a 30% chance to win it all for the next 2 years or a 10% chance the next 10 years?
The Wolves have zero chance of winning a championship if they trade KAT & AE for KD. Who would they even have left at that point? DLO?
@Alex F That's reasonable, but I think there's a few problems with it.
1. Kyrie isn't going anywhere except LA. Kyrie has stated that he won't play anywhere else and his career shows that we should believe it.
2. Brooklyn probably won't agree to that anyways. That seems too light for both of them.
I would love to see that and it probably would make Minnesota contenders, but I don't see it actually happening.
The problem is the Nets want everything that would make the team that trades with them a contender
It's amazing that the Nets destroyed their roster filled with good young players for nothing, essentially crippling their franchise for years to come. The starting 5 would have been: D-Lo, Dinwiddie, Harris, LaVert, and Allen.
@@michaelkapelis287 you clowns keep bringing that old team up and it turned into kyrie kd and harden I'm sure 10 outta 10 is gonna take the second team you keep bringing up that trash 🤣
@@sgtslaughter573 agreed. What would be the ceiling of that team? A first round exit at best
@@sgtslaughter573 well that team had been on to something untill they brought harden who was way over valued with that trade😭
@@michaelkapelis287 they got everything for free lol. The team was destroyed a decade ago. The Nets are loaded with upcoming picks compared to where they were...
No because when you break the bank for him your team will be so depleted you won't be able to compete
And he might get moody in a year or two and ask to be traded.. no, time for the owners to take back the league
exactly
AKA the Brooklyn Nets
@@colinedelman6392 but go ahead and break the bank for rudy goebert! GTFOH
Your hate for kd makes u sound foolish.
@@leonardomoore1868 they didn’t give up any of their core that’s the point
Part of me thinks they are asking for everything so they have an excuse to give both KD and Kyrie the finger and bring them back to the roster for training camp when no one is willing to pay up 🤣
The fact that the majority of championships are won by teams with a top 15 player doesn't prove that you need to get someone who is ALREADY considered a top 15 player to win a championship. It may merely mean that AFTER winning a championship, the best player on a team tends to be considered part of the top 15.
All of those guys were considered top 10-12 before their first championship, so he does have a point.
Both fair points actually
Chicken or the egg, eh?
great point!
@@ahmedsuleman3157 Top 10-12 in your playing days? Top 10-12 in your heyday is a cry from top 15 in the last 50 years. Otherwise, guys like
Malone
Barkley
Stockton
Ewing
Miller
Webber
Iverson
...
would all be there.
I'd trade one star and 2 first rounders. Those first round picks are worthless with KD on the team anyways. Anything more is pushing. He's 34 and emotional in the off-season
they probably won't get much more than the Jazz got for Gobert because you can't trade everything and expect KD to win you a title
The Twolves were fools in that exchange. If they waited they could have gotten KD and perhaps Kyrie for those picks alone...
The Gobert trade was insane -- and I like Rudy -- but T-wolves are out of their minds. That's what you give up to get Kareem or Hakeem in their prime! -- not Rudy! Even for Jokic or Embiid ... it's a stretch. It's not clear it will work with KAT moving to power forward.😂 KAT is a great shooter but a bit of a bonehead.
@@omnitheus5442 why would the Nets trade KD for that when they could easily get at least Bridges and those picks instead. Wolves were never getting KD without Edwards
@@randygraham926 yeah i was shocked by it. That was similar to the AD deal...just lacking Ingram
KD has played 5 more games than Zion since Zion was drafted.
Also, as long as Ben Simmons is on the Nets, the Pelicans actually can’t trade Zion to the Nets.
KD proved he can’t win a chip as the leader of a team. KD lacked leadership, composure and defense.
Ok fair, but teams full of young talent never know if they have a guy that could turn into a top 20 player in the league. So trading 3 or 4 players who have unlimited potential for a 34 year old with a major injury in his history just doesn't make much sense to me.
If he's not showing flashes by 23, he's not it.
This is funny however Chris Broussard commentary makes the most sense and is always on point.
Here’s the thing the fact is Brooklyn doesn’t have to trade KD he’s locked in for 4 years with no player option and if they don’t trade him what’s he going to do sit out and not play? It’s going to be a long 4 years if he decides he wants to do that he’s turning 34 this year these are the last years of him playing at his peak I doubt he wants to waste years 34-38 sitting down
More disrespect for Scottie Barnes and the Raptors organization as a whole.
Ayton, Bridges, 6 picks and 5 pick swaps isn’t enough for KD? There’s a very real possibility KD’s contract is a bad deal in a year or 2, he’s signed until he’s 38 and he’s already shown signs of regression.
I wouldn't give up a lot for Durant he's not old but he's not like LeBron he can shoot so he can give you 20 a night until he's 40 but he can't lead a team to championship that's been proven time and time again
Lebron just averaged 30 points for the season at 38 years old lol you gotta quit taking skips takes to heart no way KD will average even close to 30 at 38 years old
He is finished, he can only win a championship if he goes to play with a top 5 player
It cost too much to trade for kd, any team that does it is going to lose all its depth
I'm with Nick on the fact that if I'm giving you an all star level player, I'm only giving you 2 picks, max. As for his list, I think Brou took it wrong. I think he meant straight up talent for talent, plus factoring in age. I don't think he took current roster construction into it. If that's the case, I might disagree with a couple players on there, but I totally get it.
KD is good but I still dont believe you break the bank on him. Just the stigma of last play offs.. Somebody will though .
people still think Mobley is better than Barnes 😂 delusional
If KD was 5 years younger and did not have that Achilles injury, then I can see the haul the Nets are expecting. They won’t get that with this version of KD.
KD age doesn’t Matter he is 33 he is a Skill based player not Athleticism he Is a guaranteed 30 ppg on Skill alone Noo player in the NBA has that Value efficiency and effectiveness doesn’t matter they Age
@@fashionlife5348 yeah but injuries will catch up when you get older. OB point is valid to me
KD needed to be on a super team in his prime. His age was showing a bit in that Celtics series. He needs a super team for sure now.
Also remember he tore his Achilles. People forget that
@@dominiquebrown2890 because KD came back and played like the injury never happened.
As with any NBA championship it comes down to luck and things breaking right for you.
You could assemble the Allstar team and they aren't guaranteed success.
Facts
All star team would win but I get what your saying for sure
@@kylertatumtv9443 that's not necessarily true.
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 you don't think adding TJ Warren, Royce O'neal and Ben Simmons will put them over the top?
Why do people think KD guarantees a chip?!? I’m confused 🤔 besides his tenured in GS he has 1 Finals appearance & lost in the playoffs every year. THATS IN HIS PRIME!! Why would I mortgage my future for a 34 year old injury prone KD?!?
bUt bRo iTS Kd 😵💫
The answer is NOOOO! Is KD a team player or only worried about KD? KD took a few lessons on BS from Kyrie. You don't win a chip alone! You gotta be a team player to win!
This is definitely, absolutely, positively one of the best in depth takes we've seen in a while. This was very thought out, and very detail oriented. Thanks.
Coach Deion Primetime Sanders is about to be legendary the Coach of JACKSON STATE TIGERS 🐅
Awesome segment
Having KD doesn't guarantee any team a championship. So why give up younger talent. For him. I wouldn't.
His most recent injury definitely raises concerns. He's still valuable but not as much as some think.
I think KD knows how hard it would be to pull a trade for him so I doubt he really wants to be traded
Someone get my guy Nick some eye drops. Dude definitely had some fun last night.
Broussard's analysis was spot on in this segment.
The Miami Heat are so underated its getting sad. Chris just said Butler and Bam for KD is a fair trade 😂 Ill take Butler over KD straight up
bold take but i gotta agree
Jimmy's one of my favorite players in the league and I like him way more then KD...but taking Jimmy over KD is wild
@@Cbrunning849 Jimmy led a team to the finals.. KD led a team to the finals (OKC) & im pretty sure if you add Jimmy to the warriors in 2017-2018, they’d still win it all.. therefore Jimmy & KD are on the same level
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@@mauricegary9940 That's the most over simplified and flawed logic ever
In the past 30 years you need at least a top 25 player to win a chip. Only one time has a team won without one and that's the Pistons in 2004. That may change once thus current crop retires but as it stands that is the barometer. The only player that looks like they are heading there is Luka maybe Tatum.
That Pistons team was the perfect storm of a bunch of very good players who played well together (and also played great defense) that went up against a dynasty in the Lakers that was already on the decline.
When it comes to how teams need a transcendent superstar to win a championship, I wonder how much of this is chicken versus egg. The NBA is a superstar driven league and they are invested in superstars getting their chips and as such the games are refereed to reflect the league's interests.
Good point Broussard well said I agree 👏🏾💯
No, unless you have an excess of stars and picks like GSW had when they got him.
Chris sounds like a nets pawn more and more everyday lol
The use of draft picks as trade assets is going to be a big issue in the next CBA negotiations. Curtailing this practice is one way owners can curb their own worst impulses when pursuing megastars and control top end player movement.
Wouldn’t say that you should need your head examined if you disagree with trading brown and picks for KD, KD just came off an chilled tear and will be 34 before the start of next season. This past season he missed time from injury as well. Brown has a much higher chance of playing 75+ games. Not to mention he plays better defense.
One of the best takes from your ol buddy Kevin wildes lol
I wouldn’t trade Barnes for KD. Barnes is cheaper for longer n I got control of Barnes for 7-8 more years.
Kd's contract is untradeable
Everyone keeps saying players controlling their destination is a bad thing. I don't think I agree, yet. All other sports work this way and I am interested in what these teams look like 10 years from now. The skill difference is also closing and a league expansion will be needed soon. My guess, 8 years.
What Broussard said at 5:07 is all you need to know 🤷🏾♂️ that's why he's still on the market
Kd would at best give you 50 games next year with significantly less defense then jaylen and his offense would take away from tatum. No i wouldnt do 34 year old kd for 25 year old jaylen. Prime kd yes but not now.
this was a really good convo. The Nets might just have to take the best offer even if it disappoints them
I love Chris Broussard's takes. Even if you don't agree with everything he says, you appreciate and respect the reasoning behind his arguments. So interesting a while back when First Take begun, Skip accused him of having "sold his soul"/ Journalist Integrity, because he was defending Lebron. Turns out Skip was talking about himself.
Giannis wouldn’t be a top 15 player if he hadn’t had won a championship, so technically bucks also won without a top 15 all time player
The first guy makes a great point, wow.
Let me know what you think but I can’t think of a team that should pursue trading for kd that’s realistic
No. Teams should leave KD alone to finish what he started with the Nets.
Nick’s list was crazy 😂😭
Kevin Durant to the Knicks would be ill they have enough draft picks to do it
In our dreams ..... lol
A lot of people, including the Nets and many fans, want to act like this is prime KD from 4-5 years ago on the trading block. It isn't. This is an aging, post major injury KD on the trading block.
Another episode in this sitcom🤣🤣
Can we stop mentioning how many games KD played vs kyrie when he was injured the first season its pushing a false narrative.. kyrie been sitting regards of his health.
Any team that makes a ridiculous trade for KD, will be lucky to get into the playoffs.
Break the bank for a soon to be 34 year old player who constantly waffles? Absolutely not.
I'm a Suns fan and I would give Ayton/Bridges OR Johnson and a couple picks. That's it. Anything more and what's the point?
damonke79 butnyour good breaking the bank for a 7' center goebert who's stat line reads 10/10/3 and then disappears in the playoffs! Ok
@@leonardomoore1868 who said he's okay with that? that Gobert trade was a massive fleecing.
Who tf is OG Anunobu?
Golden State. It's the only trade that makes sense for both teams and the player asking to be traded. Kinda poetic.
Since 1990’s every NBA dynasty has run the triangle. Bulls, bulls, Lakers, GS. In fact over the past 32 NBA seasons 15 of the winning teams ran the triangle. So nearly 50% of teams over a 30 plus year window who won the NBA championship ran the triangle……. And that number will continue to grow.
First time Warriors got Durant, it was a free agent signing. They had to trade Andrew Bogut away to make room for Durant's salary but otherwise they didn't have to give up players.
This time they would have to give up Wiggins -- who played great in the finals -- & Kuminga, etc. to get him. Wiggins is just 27 and not having health issues. And a better defender.
Durant at 34, with recent injury issues and a questionable attitude, is probably not the right choice for the Warriors who have great chemistry and just won a title without KD.
Warriors emptied their entire bench for KD. In 2017. What are you talking about.
it is really up whether a team wants to WIN NOW 1 or maybe 2 championship (if lucky) or the team is preparing to create a DYNASTY that would give them more than 2 championship. is it the quick route or the long haul.
Broussard needs to stop with the “it’s guaranteed you win a chip with KD” nonsense. Way too many variables can prevent that from happening
Durant ain’t worth that much we seen him when the pressure is on and he’s 33
I'd trade Mobley & Zi too for injury issues straight up for KD
I like that 15 list
I love Wildes!!
NBA better do something about the leaving cause you don't want to play there. If this continues it will go down hill
If you have to trade your two best players and 5 firsts to get durant. Then durant has no trade value
These guys complain about players jumping ship to win championships but then say they should go to another team to win the very next segment.
This is crazy.. historically speeking you need a top 5 player in the league to win a championship. I would bet on a 3 years stretch of tries with KD over any player on this list aside of Curry, Luka and Giannis. Embiid and Jokic are great but this is a guard oriented league. Tatum floped on this finals on a way I wouldn't see KD flopping. Memphis at certain point was playing better without Ja and Zion is very enjury prone. Mobley and Edwards I'm not even going to discuss. If I was on Minesota entourage and I would know for a fact that the GM declined a trade of Edwards for KD I would call the cops.
I wouldn’t trade Booked straight up for KD either.
The CAVS can afford KD and maintain a great roster. Why is nobody discussing this? Check the trade machine. Evan Mobley, Kevin Love, Okoro and Osman for Durant and Joe Harris.
The Cavs roster is
Garland - Levert - KD - Markkanen - Allen.
Sexton - Harris - Rubio off the bench
Honestly I would trade Jason Tatum for KD, and not Jalen Brown. Not that it's a popular opinion. I feel you would give up less if you were Boston if you did that trade.
Just let him sit. The NBA won’t miss KD if he never played again. KD has a bigger future off the court.
Is KD still in his prime? Maybe or at the end of it. Thing is he is a depreciating asset at 34 years old. Doesn't make sense giving up the farm for him. Need depth to win it all. That's why golden state got lucky. All they had to do was make the numbers work because they added him instead of trading for him.
Broussard nailed it. KD is not worth it... To win, He needs whatever would be traded.
Nick makes good points - i'd also never trade BI..
Can I ask a serious question? Of these top 15, can any of them be replaced by Kawhi in your mind?
Cause I see at least 3 that can. I think Kawhis peak powers are that great. But injury has caused us to forget his greatness.
Other than the great playoff run in Toronto,what has Kawhi, done for a team. I am sure Nets wouldn't trade Durant even up for him, Miami wouldn't trade Butler straight up for Kawhi.
@@williamyoung7452 Kawhi's great, but he's not transcendent. You could argue Kawhi is just Jimmy Butler with more luck. If Butler was drafted by the Spurs, he could have 2 FVMPs. Butler's only had 3 years with a solid org in Miami. MN was bad, CHI and PHI were meh orgs
The only trade that makes sense is AD. Very similar injury issues. 😕
I think the only team that should go for this move is the Blazers in December. Dame is 30 and the chances of getting another star committed to play there that plays at that level is so low. I think they have to break the bank to get him and KD on the same roster to make runs while they are still both in their primes. I really don’t see any other team giving up that much. Especially teams with young stars as their best players which the Nets would want.
I also think that if KD isn’t traded by then, the Blazers have a chance to test Anfernee and Sharpe on the court with Dame. I think depending in how they look, the could trade for KD. If they look like an actual team that can go deep, than don’t trade for him but if they look nice but they’re still at best a 2nd round exit, just go on with the deal.
KD is already declining. You can tell because younger players are now able to hold him 1 on 1.
I thought Curry was declining
I thought LeBron was declining
BTW: also played for the USA Basketball last summer... remember that Gold Medal?
KD is still one of the top 5 current player
Kyrie preLebron: 0 playoffs
Kyrie after leaving Lebron:
17-18: Injured before playoffs, team is one quarter away from the finals (ECF game 7) without him.
18-19: Makes team worse, Historically bad series vs Bucks, shoots 30% FG and 18% 3PT, loses round 2, leaves team. (Giannis made more 3’s than Kyrie in series)
19-20: Plays 20 games with losing record, says team needs more help, shuts it down for season, Nets improve and make playoffs without him.
20-21: Injured in playoffs, loses round 2. Losing record without Harden all year.
21-22: Plays 20 games with losing record, gets swept first round and averages 15.3 PPG on 37% FG in the last 3/4 games.
He would be a Stephon Marbury clone without Lebron, Harden, and Durant. FREE KD
Str8 fax
You’re just gonna drop this comment in every basketball video they post, huh?
Kyrie: worthless without Lebron
KD: worthless without Steph
Harden: worthless
@@YY-wu7etlol
The kind of return Brooklyn is asking for is WAAAAYYYYYY out of reach. Nobody is giving away their future for an aging superstar who doesn’t commit to a team.
I would absolutely trade Tatum or Mobley for KD. Tatum seems to be a player destined to be on the border of greatness, but never quite getting there.
Dirk should be ahead of KD on the top 50 list
If Kevin Durant wasn't 34 and the Celtics series hadn't happened, this would be a different conversation. But he is and it did.
T wolves should now try and swap the Stifle Tower for Durant
No, do not honor a guy who doesn’t honor his contract even how much talented he is. that’s bad for business.
You could replace KD with Kawhi in that list and you'd have only 3 teams who won without players from the list.
And I m not sure trading kD with JB (and the rest you have to add in to make it even) would be worth it
I kind of agree with wildes not to the extreme I wouldn’t trade Tatum but
Why can't we do DeAndre Ayton, picks, and whatever salary is needed for Kyrie and KD to the Suns? Brooklyn in the desert but they'd also have better supporting players and coach