00:00:00 MA v. Karen Read Day 26 00:03:30 CONT. COMMONWEALTH WITNESS #64) TROOPER JOE PAUL, Accident Reconstructionist 03:06:59 #65) IAN WHIFFIN, DECODING MANAGER CELLBRITE 05:50:02 #66) Trooper Nicholas Guarino, Mass State Police #CourtTV Catch up on all the facts of the case against #KarenRead, Killer Or Cover-Up #MurderTrial. ⚖👇 MORE HERE: www.courttv.com/tag/karen-read/?
@@Warfarenuggetz The FBI is investigating the entire Canton police department and state police involved. The towns people voted to have an investigation because of this trial. This is why we didn't think Proctor would be on the witness stand because he is currently being investigated by the FBI but they HAD to bring I'm in as a witness to get the taillight in as evidence.
People were saying “how could Jackson be so mean to this YOUNG MAN?? I don’t think he is young he just doesn’t know what the report says 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
And Action Jackson was the car test dummy! Trooper Paul played dumb and Action fell into the trap, leading to his arrogance being on full display to the jury…for the 100th time this trial.
It doesn’t matter if a question is valid - if it is not worded properly, the objection has to be sustained. The defense knows this. They ask it the way they ask it on purpose to make a point, and the prosecutor has to keep objecting. Defense will ask it the incorrect way to make their point with the jury. They know perfectly well that the prosecutor will object to it.
I truly admire how patient the defense attorney is… I can’t believe the answers from this “expert trooper”… what glass are we talking about? What object? I cannot stand him… It feels like a teacher talking with a 5th grader that didn’t study for the quiz
He couldn't properly pronounce a ton of words he was trying to say. I wound up feeling kind of bad for him until I reminded myself that a woman's life hangs in the balance, and he's comfortable being up there spouting nonsense.
@@janiejane777 yes. Not only could he not pronounce a lot of the words he was trying to say, he had nearly no understanding of most of the words that were being used by Alan Jackson… Alan Jackson wound up, having to define the words he was using as he spoke to make sure that the “expert witness” understood.
This entire trial from the judge to the witnesses is a true carnival side show, and the Boston police department are the mini car filled with the clowns spilling out in the ring! The level of incompetence is staggering!
Boston Police had no part in this. John O’Keefe was a Boston Cop. The Mass State Police conducted the investigation. Get your facts straight before commenting.
He comes across as credible and honest. It is not his fault the defence cannot accept the truth-Alan Jackson is talking about the deceased as if it was a joke the way he died,
@@AnnMcHalecredible how. Jackson was asking him basic questions about how accidents are normally reconstructed and formulas that are used and he didn’t know. The dude didn’t know the term acceleration. Also he never actually saw the body so how can his reconstruction be based off of factual information if he never saw the body.
From what I understand, the pathologist deemed his death was inconclusive and likely from a beating but allegedly, Proctor bullied that doctor and insisted they change it to vehicular homicide but they wouldn’t. He allegedly told them (I’m paraphrasing here) that it doesn’t matter because he’s still charging Karen Read anyway. What a shady investigator!
This all smells bad. Once something is tampered, its over. Humans make mistakes, often caught up in overthinking n personal opinion. OJ trial was rigged he didnt kill Nic. Glen Rogers did that Massacre. To this day people want to believe the black man is guilty, its so sad. Glenn mailed Nicole's ring to his mother. The day he was being tried, he asked his mom to wear the Ring to court. There's photos with Nicole's ring on Glen Roger's mom's finger. It's the only murders that Glenn didn't get pinned for; But they had enough on Glenn to Execute him, so what people were saying about OJ. Was Making Money in the News. Sad story is. What the system tried to do to Johnny Depp, was successful with O.J Simpson. For years and years and years many have been harlots for trash.
The Governor needs to order an inquiry into prisoners that were arrested by troopers in Cantan. I would think she would be appalled at the lack of knowledge and lack of extensive training for these so called "experts" and most of the troopers who have been questioned are unprofessional and untrustworthy. Hopefully people or their families who come forward and know they have been wrongly convicted will be given new trials.
Completely Concur!. These troopers present physically ,mentally and ethically like a cult. Whose only goal is consolidation of power over citizens and self protection. It's aberrant and frightening.
Attorney Jackson is amazing with his defense! Civilians need protection against law enforcement, Attorney and Judge court room corruption. Prosecutor Lally is an embarrassment in this trial and displaying the exact reason WE NEED AUDITORS for all aspects of law to ensure integrity is sustained within the judicial system, policy & procedure! Who’s auditing them all? Who’s reliable to ensure the investigation was done properly and/or Ensuring there’s no bias within the investigation??
Jen McCabe, Matt McCabe & lead investigator Michael Proctor lead the blind folded investigation. Trooper Paul was all over the place, clearly not qualified to make an analysis based on his testimony. FBI already ruled out the possibility of a pedestrian collision. (Remember 3 PHD’s for a non bias opinion) Brian Albert was/is a Boston PD officer which is where they also found John O’Keefe’s body who was also a Boston Police officer. They found John’s body on Brian Albert’s lawn and Brian decided to stay in his house and never attempt to help and NOT 1 of the investigators found it important to ask “Can We Search Your Home”!!! Instead of the system investigating that, verifying their evidence with physics or asking simple basic questions around actual evidence, Judge Aunt Bev instead sustains answers that would actually answer the defense’s question. This is disgraceful, an injustice and an embarrassment to our legal system! WHERE ARE THE AUDITORS FOR THIA CASE???!!!!
Jen McCabe, Matt McCabe and lead investigator Michael Proctor are leading this BLIND investigation!!! Trooper Paul had NO facts to back his investigation! Trooper Paul also had no explanation on mathematical PHYSICS to back up his analysis, examination or conclusion on the event!! FBI concluded that it was not a pedestrian collision weeks ago (The FBI investigator has 3 PHD’s). Trooper Paul is the reconstruction expert, yet, can’t even explain Physics like Kinematics!! Meaning Valosity vs. Speed vs. Mass??? Yet, also testify’s he’s an expert or even can confirm his testimony??
And? It didn’t affected his investigation and testimony in any way. It wasn’t damaging to this case one bit…the defense couldn’t do anything about it and the judge didn’t even flinch about it
All Jackson is , is a lawyer looking to get into the media to get more cases. He knows she is guilty. The showing of how he got thegoogle search time wrong of Jenn Mcabes, putting the whole case on that on Vinnie court tvs show, tells how he doesn't know how to handle a case like this without lying a lot. Going after kids on the stand. You will see him being a lawyer for anyone for money. its all about the money and power for him.
That he is..his credentials are impressive: Alan Jackson is one of the country’s most sought-after criminal defense attorneys. He has tried more than 85 cases to jury verdict with a career success rate of 96 percent, and was named one of California’s Top 100 Lawyers. Also he is a veteran of the U.S. Air Force, where he served honorably as a jet engine mechanic. He is also an adjunct professor of law at Pepperdine University Law School and Loyola Law School.
What’s really bad is… she’s the reason for the side bars she won’t let them actually ask questions and ask the questions herself what Judge does this? None!
Trooper Paul was very nervous and when asked a question he knew he couldn’t answer, he would get snappy with Jackson!! He did not use Physics for his determination no scientific math was used!! He is Toast , next witness please!!
Constant, repetitive, questions. The prosecutor was asking the same things, repetitively, in a different way, for minutes on end. I even fast forwarded a minute and a half, he was still saying the same thing. I completely understand the "kill me" 😆
@@TheInnerPact considering they didn’t even bother to check the house, it’s highly doubtful they did anything BUT try and frame KR as their main objective! Such crappy investigative work by all. I firmly believe the real murderers of JO was the Alberts with the McCabes helping and obstructing Justice after the fact! They need to go back to that house and spray luminal because I guarantee, no matter how great of a job they think they did in cleaning all the blood and replacing the flooring of the basement, tiny specks of blood can still be found in certain crevices. I hope the FBI obtains a search warrant and goes back to that house and reinvestigate!
@@TheInnerPact you would think it would have been. But they didn't even go in the house and Brian never even came out. So why would they do that? They need to hide everything!! 😔
Is there actual evidence that Ms Read hit him? Such as dna or clothing fibre on her car? Another thing, I wish this judge would mute her mic when sighing, she sounds very annoyed which has got to be grating on everyone
“Without any knowledge”? He seems to be officially certified to do his job. What “knowledge” does he not have that is a official requisite of his duties.
@@michellefrost85How you subjectively feel about his demeanor does not change the validity of his qualifications. Being uncomfortable with public speaking and/or having your work be challenged, does not dispute your work. In fact, the defense has yet to present any credible, verifiable, quantitative and objective testimony or evidence to directly refute him. Remember, a lawyers questions are not evidence one way or another - no matter how much he grandstands.
@@eugenewood721 I wasn't talking about his demeanor but his actual answers. He didn't do anything scientific based on any facts. Also best part was when he was talking about 'stuff'. But hey, we obviously hear the same things and come to different conclusions.
@@michellefrost85But again, you don’t determine if what he said was “scientific” in this case, or crept to your own subjective conclusion. His testimony has been pre screened by both parties and the judge. None of them could come up with a valid legal reason to preclude his testimony. Seems the law currently disagrees with you about whether his testimony is “scientifically” valid or not.
SUV hit a 6 ft/220lbs human being in the arm at 24 mph and that body flew 30ft ? How a prosecution team has even the Nerve to express that in a courtroom testimony ?😂😂😂😂
Especially the ones charging big money to the defense. You can pay anyone of those experts to say what you want. Nancy Brophy is a great example of this.
GREAT COMMENT!! COULDN'T AGREE MORE 👊 As the saying goes, you can find a defense for your thoughts, no matter of they're right or wrong... it's all about the $$$$$$
@@prisonersdilemma939A guilty verdict? There are way too many questions and sketchy stuff in this case. That makes for reasonable doubt unless something amazing happens that PROVES her guilt.
Why was the house/ basement not checked out? Only yards away from the crime scene where a gathering took place just hours earlier, of ALL parties concerned?
This judge, so sad man, such a disappointment. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. This judge tsk tsk. Trooper Paul is NOT qualified for this and we do not know if O'Keefe was even hit at all, and I have a feeling he was NOT. Why was the basement dug up? Why was the house sold?
Surely the state knew that Trooper Paul was inarticulate before they put him on the stand… what in the fresh heck were they thinking… why did they not retain a real expert??
They cost big BIG bucks. The reality that the recorded Vehicle data cannot be altered. The recorded vehicle data on Karen Read's Lexus SUV recorded Karen Read reversing with speed 62 mph over 30ft and hit O'Keefe.
@@AnnMcHaleJen McCabe we know it's you. You have 80 responses on this chat trying to convince everybody these horrible, lying corrupt impersonators of law enforcement are credible. Go get a lawyer Jen you and your corrupt family will need it!!
It is like the "black box of a plane"- The black box of Karen Read's Lexus SUV recorded Karen reversing and hitting him with speed -foot on accellerator pedal. This is why Karen Read charged with murder. SHE deliberately ran him down. Had she not been drinking and arguing with O'Keefe who was breaking up with her-No I don't think She would have knocked him down-But She did. She left him injured and never once called 911 or anyone till 5 am to get him help.
How can a 7k+ pound car hit you at 24mph on your arm/shoulder throw you 30 feet and you have no bruises on your arm body or a dislocated shoulder, what?
These state witnesses, during direct examination, answer certain questions in a such a way that they avoid perjuring themselves. Example the 5:47:40 mark.
These troopers present physically ,mentally and ethically like a cult. Whose only goal is consolidation of power over citizens and self protection. It's aberrant and frightening.! Its striking how in lock step they are all in with each other.
The frustration im having with this pathetically inadequate Trooper Paul is actually making me feel unwell 😢 A woman has been charged with MURDER!!! and this is the sort of utterly ridiculous and un-credible evidence that's being seriously brought to the jury by the Prosecution... grrrrr. How can they be serious? If this is the calibre of police, and Prosecutorial cases, in the USA there are serious issues with the country's judicial system. Its utterly appalling 🫣. I hope she can later sue for a hefty damages amount once this is all over. I don't care any longer about her guilt or innocence. That's become a side issue in this circus of a trial.
I love how this immediately became Trooper Paul, failing his exam! His testimony is embarrassing for him and his family. .Once again another Trooper F'ed Around And Found Out they were not the smartest person in the room. Pathetic! What's really sad is that I think JO'S brother who has been at every hearing ,is starting to see clearly that the very people he knows and entrusted to solve his brother's death, are lying thru their teeth and maybe connected to it themselves. Truly a living nightmare!
@@Sallylilly1812I know I can't help it I think it's my compassionate side I wholeheartedly believe she is innocent but I kind of feel like this trooper was a little bit taken advantage of by proctor.
Key Cycle!!! Crucial! The way Jackson laid out the sequence of Key Cycles... 1159 Read drives from Waterfall to Alberts' house 1160 Read drives from OKeefe's house to McCabes' house 1161 Read drives to her parents' house in Crichton 1162 TROOPER PROCTOR SEIZED CAR AND IT IS DRIVEN ONTO A FLATBED.....This Key Cycle is where what Trooper Paul called the "triggering" is!! Something happens to the car here...not at the death scene nor in the sally port. 1163 Last key cycle as car is started and driven into Canton PD sally port. THE DEFENSE HAS TO HAMMER THIS DOWN WITH AN EXPERT. More than enough reasonable doubt and the Defense hasn't even presented their case yet. If they convict her, its out of personal dislike. Pally is 25 days in and has not proven she did it, intentionally or accidentally.
This doesn’t make sense. You’re saying in the 12,000ish total miles that the Lexus has been driven, EVERY key cycle is counted. With that logic, that means every time she started her car she drove an average of less than a mile. See what I mean by that? There’s 11,064 key cycles. The car has almost 13,000 miles on it. My point is, not every key cycle gets tallied. Neither side really addressed this.
This is where I feel very sorry for an unprepared witness, but at the same time cant help but admire the defence, in practice. The witness needs a hug though. Its tough for him, but unfortunately the defence have enough evidence to go on, and back it up with evidence.... and when they are this prepared, its very difficult for the witness.
If you're talking about trooper Paul sure one can feel sorry for him. But then you remember that his incompetence and hastily drawn conclusions are being used in a murder trial. Suddenly you feel less bad for him.
I felt really bad for this guy. He only has an associate’s degree. The defense will put someone on with a PhD and think that’s gonna be enough to let Karen walk. They’ll learn they are wrong a couple weeks from now.
@@toggtlas7099I don’t think he is incompetent, he doesn’t have the education. He has only taken a couple classes. The CW should have watered down his testimony and claimed they don’t know how exactly the accident happened, that it is impossible to recreate due to a number of factors.
@@prisonersdilemma939 Yeah but "He isn't educated enough", "He isn't suitable for the task" or "The CW put him in a bad spot" sure didn't stop the prosecution from trying to use his reconstruction to secure a murder conviction. That's where you draw the line. Nothing excuses that.
@josephinedimercurio5012 I don't know. This case stinks and there is a huge gap here that leaves reasonable doubt. Imo I think she's not guilty. I don't see motive. Why did she kill him? What would be the end game? She gets nothing for doing it. She has no kids w him. She gets no cash for it. So none of it mashed sense. Trooper is way inconsistent. He's covering for ppl
you actually seen pre trial videos or the huge crowds she has everyday to cheer her on??? The Jurors see and hear that I assure you! So don’t be surprised if she’s not guilty
Yes he seems to have Tourette’s syndrome. My guess is a mild case. He seems to have great control of outbursts. And right before he said that his hands came up where he was trying to control it. Then he said that under his breathe. He had made others small outburst prior to this one. And can see in his face his control of others.
It's sad a reconstruction officer can't really give us a reconstructive visual.. The defense attorney has already caught him in so many different lies and caused him to contradict himself in so many ways.. I couldn't believe that every time the defense asked him about something, he'd act like he didn't know what he was talking about it, like the glass cup.. And it's sad tgis trooper Paul doesn't know what physics is and some of the other words and equations.. Plus back pedeling when he says someone else told him or he guessed.. This is sad and the defense attorney just shot his testimony out of the water and the prosecutor not letting trooper Paul answer the questions that he knows that will bury the ones covering up!
Have you SEEN, TUESDAY; 6-18-2024. . .DAY "27", Testimony. . .A.M. Before dismissing lawyers; Judge said: "I didn't think we'd get done this early. We could have had the Jury and continued". Judge is to make the DECIDSION, on THURSDAY about the Defenses, two Reconstruction EXPERTS. GONNA BE GOOD:) :)
I just watched that! Now I'm trying to find day 28 😂 I just started watching this and following it and I can already see she didn't do I can't believe the common wealth is always objecting everything and everyone to do with the defense 😂 They already know this has been thrown out of the water 😂😂
TODAY day 30! Closing Arguments TOMORROW & Jury gets their turn. The Defense Witness, I feel didn't have a CHANCE, like Trooper Paul! Just 14 points like Trooper Paul? ? One person on the rolling comments stated a UFO did it. I agree :) :) Never WATCHED such a "mess" ! ? ! ?
Ian Whiffen- top notch expert. This trial has definitely brought to light some fascinating things about internet/search activity on iphones most people never knew.
GRAND DEFENSE I tell ya. They thought that when they assigned this trooper Paul, he will just talk his way super fast through the testimony and no one will pick up on anything lol. Again, better than any movie..
There is no way Trooper Paul wrote his own report. He doesn't seem to know what's in it and tries to read from it but gets shut down by the judge plus the words in the report are extremely polished and professional. But when he has to use his own words he uses phrases like "that stuff" and has no idea the meaning of many of the large words. He also seems to have zero knowledge of physics and formulas that are needed to do his job. He may have assisted them, but he didn't write that report as he claims.
OMG!!! What in the world! All of these guys tied to this are in over their heads. They thought Karen was going to take the charges and go away. They thought wrong!!! They are so stressed and filled with anxiety because there are too many lies to keep straight and too many people tangled in this web!! Wow I didn't think I could get any more shocked in this trial. I was wrong!!
6:34:16 The trooper on the stand sighs and says “kill me” in a whispered tone but heard clearly in the microphone 😱😱 This was one big cover up and these cops are all wishing they didn’t go along with framing Karen Read. They thought she would wear the charges. Nope 👎
😂 because he saw the 3 huge binders of texts and he didn't want to read them....I think 🤔 the texts helped Karen....thanks Lally😂😂😂..I find Lally laughable
The bald head is the way they identify with each other. It’s like being blood Brothers and corruption. If you got a bald head, you’re in the club and keep your mouth shut and go along with it. It’s an unspoken method of being in the club.
I have observed 2 specific hair styles, one is bald, the other is , cut close to the head with an extremely straight part on the left. That's it! Well, then there is Lally's hair. I don't know WTF is going on there.
6:34:16 The trooper on the stand sighs and whispers “kill me” into the microphone 😱😱 He knows him and the other cops are now in huge trouble for setting Karen Read up. They assumed Karen would not be able to refute the charges, and had no clue her defence attorney would destroy their lies on the stand
He DID!!! I thought I was going crazy hearing things!! Lol 😂 wow this is insane, sometimes it feels like this is all a big joke on the public... Could they really be this "smart"
Really mind boggling how anybody could see all this and STILL believe Karen was involved in any degree. That theory makes no sense and has zero evidence to corroborate it, simply because she didn’t do it and thats why she’ll be found not guilty.
The police did as good a job as could be expected. They have all the forensic data, and there was no need to look at anyone else. Especially since they clearly had been arguing for days, and she admitted to hitting him. I’m more surprised though that the lawyers havent gone over the material they plan on using - and that both parties agree on. As well as putting up a proper timeline for the trial. The judge is clearly exasperated and for good reason. Wrap it up people
I love to discuss these topics, one have to agree to disagree and try to see the cases with open mind, outside the box! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and learn from each other.
5:45:30 He says you couldn't modify the extraction because of the hash value. But you could also just recalculate the hash right? Nobody saw the original extraction hash before proctor.
At this point, CW is helping the defense big time and the defense hasn’t even presented their defense yet. Can you imagine ? Defense will knock this out of the ballpark I bet. Should have never went to trial.
Not sure why but when I listen to how smart, sharp, and on point Jackson is- he reminds me of a younger Michael J Fox! If this case were made into a movie- I could totally see a young Michael J. Fox playing the role of A. Jackson! Love the way he cross examines! 😂😂🙌🏼
@@Alextriumph1050 IT absolutely 100% DID HAPPEN and not because Trooper Paul says so-THE RECORDED DATA OF KAREN READ'S VEHICLE (WHICH CANNOT BE ALTERED) RECORDED KAREN READ REVERSE AND HIT JOHN O'KEEFE.
@@AnnMcHale Wasn't proven conclusively. Look at video of Karen in John's driveway as she was leaving to go and look for him. She reversed into his car at 5am that morning and cracked her taillight. The taillight was still intact which means she never hit Johan outside of 34 Fairview. All the answers lye with the MCAlberts .
There was something “VERY” strange about these 2 officers on the stand today,they “BOTH” appeared to be speaking to someone in a “VERY” nonchalant manner ?!?!
Oh man…After reading those texts with John and Karen, I am so glad I’m single. Been there, done that and never want to go through that ever again. The relationship was sour, they should have just gone their separate ways. These people are filled with too much Drama🙄
I think the biggest mistake by the defense is that they overpromised. It seems very unlikely that Google search happened in the middle of the night as they claimed. That of course doesn't help the prosecution prove guilt but it's a dent in the credibility for the defense.
I agree. Not only that, now, today, they have insinuated that Proctor deleted the search by going into the phone extraction data and adjusting it in a way that only a PhD computer scientist would be able to accomplish. That is so far-fetched, it has to turn off some jurors that may be on the fence, I was laughing today when I heard Yanetti cross the guy from England with those crazy questions. They should not have asked him a single question. If that is their accusation at this point, why not let your expert testify to how someone could accomplish deleting only a single search from the extraction data. Judging from today’s witness, it would be almost impossible to accomplish without detection, though.
@@prisonersdilemma939 I agree, I think it's dangerous spreading the conspiracy theory too wide. But I think they're hinting at Brian Higgins. Remember how it was testified his best friend was an agent working at the FBI computer forensics lab. And the two of them already colluded to do an illegal extraction of his phone. Suddenly not as far fetched...
@@redcharm6173 It's not a battle of the experts. The defense is making an affirmative third party claim saying corrupt cops killed John and other corrupt cops covered it up. As a juror, the evidence: previous vacation where Karen Read acted irrationally when she thought a woman was flirting with JO, her alcohol intake the night he died, her tail light pieces being found the same day where O'Keefe was found. Her statements about hitting him on the day he was found. Versus: If you believe that is a more reasonable cause than multiple people, who may or may not know each other, conspired to conceal a murder and blame an innocent person. The jurors are given two possible reasons for his death and will choose what makes more sense.
I can’t get it figured out either, why would he whisper anything or say something like this? Makes no sense, but neither does he! 😂 Jackson should get him back on the stand and question him about it, and see what he said. It’s odd
It was hard to make out most of his testimony. He was not confident in his answers and he probably knew the world wasn’t going to buy the ridiculous theory of his.
I've never seen a more thorough dismantling of a 'specialist'. I sort of felt bad for him. He just looked like a guy whose job is to hear a story and create reports/assessments to match that story. They through him to the sharks. Defense attorneys are earning their pay
I actually really feel for Trooper Paul… his anxiety has been broadcast for the world to see, and now his integrity and quality of his work is being undermined. I believe he’s a fall guy for this terrible culture within that police department. If his employer cared about his wellbeing, they would have prepared him better for the questions that could have been asked of him. Regardless of innocence or guilt for Karen, or a terrible police investigation - and just focusing on his performance as a professional witness - until you’ve been a witness on the stand and had your livelihood and professional experience questioned under cross examination, you will never understand how stressful it actually is. I believe that this guy may be very new to the court space and testifying. He absolutely fell apart, but it doesn’t mean he’s not qualified to do his job. I do feel for him. His employer has not given him enough training in the space of testifying in court. Let alone having to do it on live stream television. Poor guy.
No, not poor guy actually, if you think about it, it’s poor Karen. She’s the one they want to put in prison for the rest of her life to suffice their cover-up so poor Karen would be more accurate.
@@charleslaurice I absolutely do feel for Karen, it would be horrendous for her going through this - in my comment I did say I was just focusing on his testimony and anxiety and how his workplace did not prepare him, not guilt or innocence.
@@drewc771Does not matter in this case, because there is evidence that she did not make that trip which would have added at least 25 miles to her odometer and 1 hour round trip - for a sober person in good weather. Now if the prosecution is correct in JOK being kill around 12:45 or so, then why is she telling John she was in Mansfield? It’s not like he had a car and could come chase her down at her house, so why lie to him?
@@eugenewood721 that's what confused me, bc just googlin said it was at least 20 mins. I didn't realize it was known she was still in Canton, that she was just lying to him. At least for her, that's better in this case than lying to the police.
00:00:00 MA v. Karen Read Day 26
00:03:30 CONT. COMMONWEALTH WITNESS #64) TROOPER JOE PAUL, Accident Reconstructionist
03:06:59 #65) IAN WHIFFIN, DECODING MANAGER CELLBRITE
05:50:02 #66) Trooper Nicholas Guarino, Mass State Police
#CourtTV Catch up on all the facts of the case against #KarenRead, Killer Or Cover-Up #MurderTrial. ⚖👇
MORE HERE: www.courttv.com/tag/karen-read/?
6:34:15 Trooper Nicholas Guarino says on hot mic.... "K!ll me"
It’s becoming pretty clear why the FBI is investigating this case!
Wait? What? The fbi? I has idea! How did u get this info?
@@Warfarenuggetz The FBI is investigating the entire Canton police department and state police involved. The towns people voted to have an investigation because of this trial. This is why we didn't think Proctor would be on the witness stand because he is currently being investigated by the FBI but they HAD to bring I'm in as a witness to get the taillight in as evidence.
@@thequeensbudget ohh ty for this! I had no idea
That make me happy, FBI
Thank God the FBI stepped in.
👨🏻💼“The crime scene talked to you?”
👮🏻♂️“Yes.”
And then he says "I don't know, I wasn't there" LOL
Lol I know right, it's like talking to a 5 year old, when they get in trouble, SMH
My favorite exchange today 🤣🤡
@@fernandaolivares7926 It’s so much funnier after the fact… while it was happening I felt like my insides were… doing a pirouette.
@@deltatango6793😂😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤
I hope Trooper Paul got a ride home. He looked as if he would have a panic attack.
People were saying “how could Jackson be so mean to this YOUNG MAN?? I don’t think he is young he just doesn’t know what the report says 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
I have a feeling Trooper Paul might've had a stress cry in the bathroom during the break.
Trooper Paul was a complete car crash!
😂. So true.
Did you intentionally use those words?
@@helenfong3339Yes!
Literally
And Action Jackson was the car test dummy! Trooper Paul played dumb and Action fell into the trap, leading to his arrogance being on full display to the jury…for the 100th time this trial.
The cops are so evasive with their answers, it's obvious they are covering up their lies
You can’t get a clear answer from the officers or their wives. No one can remember! But they remember everything Karen Read said and did!
@@lisajeter9511 Selective memory !
This trooper is someone that should not be doing any investigation at all!!!
sour 🍇
Who should not
Based on his own testimony, I have serious doubts that he ever did.
Trooper Paul cannot pronunciate words let alone lead an investigation.
This witness was answering the questions with questions! And the prosecutor kept objecting to valid questions and most were sustained! Come on judge!
It doesn’t matter if a question is valid - if it is not worded properly, the objection has to be sustained. The defense knows this. They ask it the way they ask it on purpose to make a point, and the prosecutor has to keep objecting. Defense will ask it the incorrect way to make their point with the jury. They know perfectly well that the prosecutor will object to it.
I truly admire how patient the defense attorney is… I can’t believe the answers from this “expert trooper”… what glass are we talking about? What object? I cannot stand him… It feels like a teacher talking with a 5th grader that didn’t study for the quiz
I am suffering second hand embarrassment listening to Tpr Paul.
I felt that too! It was giving me anxiety! 😂
I was embarrassed for him.
He was OK bless him....
Leave him alone. He is not excellent orator, so what!
I felt so bad for him. Literally nervous and scared!! 😥
“Did the crime scene say anything else?” 😂😂😂 Dying! 😭😂
OMG I wouldn’t ask this guy what day of the week it is, let alone reconstruct a scene of an accident. He. Doesn’t. Know. What. Confirmation. Bias. Is.
You couldn't ask him that anyway, he'd ask you to be more specific
Can you imagine, well ya don’t have too, we are witnessing a mess🤣🤦♀️
He couldn't properly pronounce a ton of words he was trying to say. I wound up feeling kind of bad for him until I reminded myself that a woman's life hangs in the balance, and he's comfortable being up there spouting nonsense.
@@janiejane777 yes. Not only could he not pronounce a lot of the words he was trying to say, he had nearly no understanding of most of the words that were being used by Alan Jackson… Alan Jackson wound up, having to define the words he was using as he spoke to make sure that the “expert witness” understood.
This entire trial from the judge to the witnesses is a true carnival side show, and the Boston police department are the mini car filled with the clowns spilling out in the ring! The level of incompetence is staggering!
Boston Police had no part in this. John O’Keefe was a Boston Cop. The Mass State Police conducted the investigation. Get your facts straight before commenting.
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... & with KR as Ringmaster.
What a Circus!!!
At 6:34:15 Nicholas Gaurino from Massachusetts State Police says "kill me." Prove me wrong...
At around 1.34 Trooper Paul also mutters something, but I can figure our what he said
1.35.04
Before he said "kill me" he said "I don't know" and used his hands to shrug.
Aah ty I was wondering when that was. I'm just catching up
I think he says... It doesn't fit!!@@tanialegay4481
The state couldn’t get anyone besides Daffey Duck to do the crash reconstruction? Good lord that was Brutal with a capital B.
He comes across as credible and honest. It is not his fault the defence cannot accept the truth-Alan Jackson is talking about the deceased as if it was a joke the way he died,
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@@AnnMcHalecredible how. Jackson was asking him basic questions about how accidents are normally reconstructed and formulas that are used and he didn’t know. The dude didn’t know the term acceleration. Also he never actually saw the body so how can his reconstruction be based off of factual information if he never saw the body.
@@blakekaveny the joke is his "expert opinion" on what happened to John
Bring on the Doctors who can tell us once and for All what was the cause of death! Was he struck by a vehicle or beaten to death?!!
From what I understand, the pathologist deemed his death was inconclusive and likely from a beating but allegedly, Proctor bullied that doctor and insisted they change it to vehicular homicide but they wouldn’t. He allegedly told them (I’m paraphrasing here) that it doesn’t matter because he’s still charging Karen Read anyway. What a shady investigator!
Beating!!!
@@Journey007a Wow!!!!
This all smells bad. Once something is tampered, its over. Humans make mistakes, often caught up in overthinking n personal opinion. OJ trial was rigged he didnt kill Nic. Glen Rogers did that Massacre. To this day people want to believe the black man is guilty, its so sad. Glenn mailed Nicole's ring to his mother. The day he was being tried, he asked his mom to wear the Ring to court. There's photos with Nicole's ring on Glen Roger's mom's finger. It's the only murders that Glenn didn't get pinned for; But they had enough on Glenn to Execute him, so what people were saying about OJ.
Was Making Money in the News. Sad story is. What the system tried to do to Johnny Depp, was successful with O.J Simpson. For years and years and years many have been harlots for trash.
The Governor needs to order an inquiry into prisoners that were arrested by troopers in Cantan. I would think she would be appalled at the lack of knowledge and lack of extensive training for these so called "experts" and most of the troopers who have been questioned are unprofessional and untrustworthy. Hopefully people or their families who come forward and know they have been wrongly convicted will be given new trials.
I agree 100%
Completely Concur!. These troopers present physically ,mentally and ethically like a cult. Whose only goal is consolidation of power over citizens and self protection. It's aberrant and frightening.
Attorney Jackson is amazing with his defense! Civilians need protection against law enforcement, Attorney and Judge court room corruption. Prosecutor Lally is an embarrassment in this trial and displaying the exact reason WE NEED AUDITORS for all aspects of law to ensure integrity is sustained within the judicial system, policy & procedure! Who’s auditing them all? Who’s reliable to ensure the investigation was done properly and/or Ensuring there’s no bias within the investigation??
Jen McCabe, Matt McCabe & lead investigator Michael Proctor lead the blind folded investigation. Trooper Paul was all over the place, clearly not qualified to make an analysis based on his testimony. FBI already ruled out the possibility of a pedestrian collision. (Remember 3 PHD’s for a non bias opinion) Brian Albert was/is a Boston PD officer which is where they also found John O’Keefe’s body who was also a Boston Police officer. They found John’s body on Brian Albert’s lawn and Brian decided to stay in his house and never attempt to help and NOT 1 of the investigators found it important to ask “Can We Search Your Home”!!! Instead of the system investigating that, verifying their evidence with physics or asking simple basic questions around actual evidence, Judge Aunt Bev instead sustains answers that would actually answer the defense’s question. This is disgraceful, an injustice and an embarrassment to our legal system! WHERE ARE THE AUDITORS FOR THIA CASE???!!!!
Jen McCabe, Matt McCabe and lead investigator Michael Proctor are leading this BLIND investigation!!! Trooper Paul had NO facts to back his investigation! Trooper Paul also had no explanation on mathematical PHYSICS to back up his analysis, examination or conclusion on the event!! FBI concluded that it was not a pedestrian collision weeks ago (The FBI investigator has 3 PHD’s). Trooper Paul is the reconstruction expert, yet, can’t even explain Physics like Kinematics!! Meaning Valosity vs. Speed vs. Mass??? Yet, also testify’s he’s an expert or even can confirm his testimony??
Jackson is worth every penny!
Karen has the best lawyers.
Wait until trooper Paul says he saw something on Court TV!!!! Omg
sour 🍇
Yeah…uhhh, he should have left out that comment.
I know ..why did he say that?
@@neptune8410 53:42
And? It didn’t affected his investigation and testimony in any way. It wasn’t damaging to this case one bit…the defense couldn’t do anything about it and the judge didn’t even flinch about it
👮🏻♂️”I did not do testing.”
“and stuff”
Jackson is a great lawyer.
He's a savage!
All Jackson is , is a lawyer looking to get into the media to get more cases. He knows she is guilty. The showing of how he got thegoogle search time wrong of Jenn Mcabes, putting the whole case on that on Vinnie court tvs show, tells how he doesn't know how to handle a case like this without lying a lot. Going after kids on the stand. You will see him being a lawyer for anyone for money. its all about the money and power for him.
Yes he is a “ cops gang buster”! Very sharp!
That he is..his credentials are impressive:
Alan Jackson is one of the country’s most sought-after criminal defense attorneys. He has tried more than 85 cases to jury verdict with a career success rate of 96 percent, and was named one of California’s Top 100 Lawyers.
Also he is a veteran of the U.S. Air Force, where he served honorably as a jet engine mechanic. He is also an adjunct professor of law at Pepperdine University Law School and Loyola Law School.
He just gave a master class in how to demolish a so-called expert
What are the chances Paul left today thinking: Nailed it 😂
lol. Most definitely. 💯
Every LEO in every other trial is concise, clear, and prepared. Not evasive, questioning, and thirsty....
OMG! The constant sidebars are ridiculous.😮
Blame defense.
Sidebars = Defense Counsel I won't Allow You to ask that Question! This Judge is So Blatantly Biased it's a Complete Disgrace!!
The Judge is ridiculous.
@@RMBRN11 This whole trial is ridiculous. If the judge was smart, she’d pull the plug on this sham.
What’s really bad is… she’s the reason for the side bars she won’t let them actually ask questions and ask the questions herself what Judge does this? None!
Trooper Paul was very nervous and when asked a question he knew he couldn’t answer, he would get snappy with Jackson!! He did not use Physics for his determination no scientific math was used!! He is Toast , next witness please!!
He doesn’t know kinetics nor does he know physicist, and or geometry!
He knows almost zero when it comes to the field he is testifying for.
Why does Lally fail to prepare his witnesses? For the love of all that’s holy, get it together!
That’s assuming these clowns can even be prepared
well, Catherine Deneuve, when they do everyone complains it's 'rehearsed.'
can't win.
Wtf was the "kill me" comment about?
When was that! I saw someone else say that but their time stamp was off. I can't find it
It is around the 6:34.00 spot on the 7 hour spool of video today.
I can’t believe that! I hope defence picks up on it! X
Constant, repetitive, questions. The prosecutor was asking the same things, repetitively, in a different way, for minutes on end. I even fast forwarded a minute and a half, he was still saying the same thing. I completely understand the "kill me" 😆
The “kill me” comment is a totally subconscious statement… that dude is feeling the guilt!
His testimony should be thrown out
42:51 "Well, YOU didn't." SAVAGE.
I wonder if any of the audible chuckle came from the jury.
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I thought that was BRILLIANT!!! 😂😂😂
Was the phone fingerprinted?
@@TheInnerPact considering they didn’t even bother to check the house, it’s highly doubtful they did anything BUT try and frame KR as their main objective! Such crappy investigative work by all. I firmly believe the real murderers of JO was the Alberts with the McCabes helping and obstructing Justice after the fact! They need to go back to that house and spray luminal because I guarantee, no matter how great of a job they think they did in cleaning all the blood and replacing the flooring of the basement, tiny specks of blood can still be found in certain crevices. I hope the FBI obtains a search warrant and goes back to that house and reinvestigate!
@@TheInnerPact you would think it would have been. But they didn't even go in the house and Brian never even came out. So why would they do that? They need to hide everything!! 😔
Is there actual evidence that Ms Read hit him? Such as dna or clothing fibre on her car? Another thing, I wish this judge would mute her mic when sighing, she sounds very annoyed which has got to be grating on everyone
No theirs not also we’ve had over 60 witnesses and they’ve yet to call the medical examiner
I thought there was a hair identified on the back of the car that belonged to John O’Keefe.
@@katiekoo16yes, a very sus piece of hair gently resting on the bumper despite the long drive. Very bizarre and NOT at all planted. 😏
If a hair could stay on through that bad of a snowstorm it could probably stay on there for months and months.
Brilliant to see a an educated lawyer confronting an idiot doing a job without any knowledge.
“Without any knowledge”? He seems to be officially certified to do his job. What “knowledge” does he not have that is a official requisite of his duties.
@eugenewood721 you heard his answers right?... you have watched this.... they brought this guy in as an expert and he replied how he did? 🤷🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
@@michellefrost85How you subjectively feel about his demeanor does not change the validity of his qualifications. Being uncomfortable with public speaking and/or having your work be challenged, does not dispute your work. In fact, the defense has yet to present any credible, verifiable, quantitative and objective testimony or evidence to directly refute him. Remember, a lawyers questions are not evidence one way or another - no matter how much he grandstands.
@@eugenewood721 I wasn't talking about his demeanor but his actual answers. He didn't do anything scientific based on any facts. Also best part was when he was talking about 'stuff'. But hey, we obviously hear the same things and come to different conclusions.
@@michellefrost85But again, you don’t determine if what he said was “scientific” in this case, or crept to your own subjective conclusion. His testimony has been pre screened by both parties and the judge. None of them could come up with a valid legal reason to preclude his testimony. Seems the law currently disagrees with you about whether his testimony is “scientifically” valid or not.
SUV hit a 6 ft/220lbs human being in the arm at 24 mph and that body flew 30ft ? How a prosecution team has even the Nerve to express that in a courtroom testimony ?😂😂😂😂
I hardly ever trust experts .
Everyone can hire a expert to say what they needed.
Hardly ever do 2 experts agree with each other
Especially the ones charging big money to the defense. You can pay anyone of those experts to say what you want. Nancy Brophy is a great example of this.
GREAT COMMENT!! COULDN'T AGREE MORE 👊
As the saying goes, you can find a defense for your thoughts, no matter of they're right or wrong... it's all about the $$$$$$
Agree. That is why you have to resort to common sense. The jury will do as much and return a guilty verdict.
@@prisonersdilemma939A guilty verdict? There are way too many questions and sketchy stuff in this case. That makes for reasonable doubt unless something amazing happens that PROVES her guilt.
The state has proven nothing so far.
Why was the house/ basement not checked out? Only yards away from the crime scene where a gathering took place just hours earlier, of ALL parties concerned?
Are they ever gonna prove SHE EVEN BUMPED HIM????
Nope!!! She did not bump him!! He was murdered in the house. Pretty cut and dried!
This judge, so sad man, such a disappointment. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. This judge tsk tsk. Trooper Paul is NOT qualified for this and we do not know if O'Keefe was even hit at all, and I have a feeling he was NOT. Why was the basement dug up? Why was the house sold?
Yup. Lots of questions
Don't forget the dog "rehomed"
Why did noone who left the Albert house see his body on the lawn either???
Good question. We all know why.
Witness Mr Paul was super nervous from the minute he entered the chair. Understandable after Friday.
He took a course! Hardly an expert.
Trooper Paul... more like
Trooper Reasonable Doubt
Facts
Surely the state knew that Trooper Paul was inarticulate before they put him on the stand… what in the fresh heck were they thinking… why did they not retain a real expert??
Exactly!
They cost big BIG bucks. The reality that the recorded Vehicle data cannot be altered. The recorded vehicle data on Karen Read's Lexus SUV recorded Karen Read reversing with speed 62 mph over 30ft and hit O'Keefe.
@@AnnMcHaleJen McCabe we know it's you. You have 80 responses on this chat trying to convince everybody these horrible, lying corrupt impersonators of law enforcement are credible. Go get a lawyer Jen you and your corrupt family will need it!!
It is like the "black box of a plane"- The black box of Karen Read's Lexus SUV recorded Karen reversing and hitting him with speed -foot on accellerator pedal. This is why Karen Read charged with murder. SHE deliberately ran him down. Had she not been drinking and arguing with O'Keefe who was breaking up with her-No I don't think She would have knocked him down-But She did. She left him injured and never once called 911 or anyone till 5 am to get him help.
I think Lally literally just wants the case done x unbelievable
How can a 7k+ pound car hit you at 24mph on your arm/shoulder throw you 30 feet and you have no bruises on your arm body or a dislocated shoulder, what?
Scratches on the arms without any bruising couldn’t possibly move someone 30 feet … unbelievable :)
These state witnesses, during direct examination, answer certain questions in a such a way that they avoid perjuring themselves. Example the 5:47:40 mark.
This can not be the crazy psycho text we’ve been hearing about😂
Has this guy taken a physics class?
These troopers present physically ,mentally and ethically like a cult. Whose only goal is consolidation of power over citizens and self protection. It's aberrant and frightening.! Its striking how in lock step they are all in with each other.
The frustration im having with this pathetically inadequate Trooper Paul is actually making me feel unwell 😢
A woman has been charged with MURDER!!! and this is the sort of utterly ridiculous and un-credible evidence that's being seriously brought to the jury by the Prosecution... grrrrr. How can they be serious? If this is the calibre of police, and Prosecutorial cases, in the USA there are serious issues with the country's judicial system.
Its utterly appalling 🫣. I hope she can later sue for a hefty damages amount once this is all over. I don't care any longer about her guilt or innocence. That's become a side issue in this circus of a trial.
I love how this immediately became Trooper Paul, failing his exam! His testimony is embarrassing for him and his family. .Once again another Trooper F'ed Around And Found Out they were not the smartest person in the room. Pathetic! What's really sad is that I think JO'S brother who has been at every hearing ,is starting to see clearly that the very people he knows and entrusted to solve his brother's death, are lying thru their teeth and maybe connected to it themselves. Truly a living nightmare!
Honestly felt somewhat bad for him in a way because he was given inaccurate info obviously.
@@Sallylilly1812I know I can't help it I think it's my compassionate side I wholeheartedly believe she is innocent but I kind of feel like this trooper was a little bit taken advantage of by proctor.
Bet the CW hopes none of the jurors have helped their 5th graders with their science homework.
😂😂 Nice.
Key Cycle!!! Crucial!
The way Jackson laid out the sequence of Key Cycles...
1159 Read drives from Waterfall to Alberts' house
1160 Read drives from OKeefe's house to McCabes' house
1161 Read drives to her parents' house in Crichton
1162 TROOPER PROCTOR SEIZED CAR AND IT IS DRIVEN ONTO A FLATBED.....This Key Cycle is where what Trooper Paul called the "triggering" is!! Something happens to the car here...not at the death scene nor in the sally port.
1163 Last key cycle as car is started and driven into Canton PD sally port.
THE DEFENSE HAS TO HAMMER THIS DOWN WITH AN EXPERT. More than enough reasonable doubt and the Defense hasn't even presented their case yet.
If they convict her, its out of personal dislike. Pally is 25 days in and has not proven she did it, intentionally or accidentally.
This doesn’t make sense. You’re saying in the 12,000ish total miles that the Lexus has been driven, EVERY key cycle is counted. With that logic, that means every time she started her car she drove an average of less than a mile. See what I mean by that? There’s 11,064 key cycles. The car has almost 13,000 miles on it. My point is, not every key cycle gets tallied. Neither side really addressed this.
@@KaylaMorris20101162 key cycles meaning average 11 miles per key cycle
Doesn’t trooper Paul, the Accident reconstructionist remind you of elm fudd 😅
Yes. Lol
LOL
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This is where I feel very sorry for an unprepared witness, but at the same time cant help but admire the defence, in practice. The witness needs a hug though. Its tough for him, but unfortunately the defence have enough evidence to go on, and back it up with evidence.... and when they are this prepared, its very difficult for the witness.
If you're talking about trooper Paul sure one can feel sorry for him. But then you remember that his incompetence and hastily drawn conclusions are being used in a murder trial. Suddenly you feel less bad for him.
I felt really bad for this guy. He only has an associate’s degree. The defense will put someone on with a PhD and think that’s gonna be enough to let Karen walk. They’ll learn they are wrong a couple weeks from now.
@@toggtlas7099I don’t think he is incompetent, he doesn’t have the education. He has only taken a couple classes. The CW should have watered down his testimony and claimed they don’t know how exactly the accident happened, that it is impossible to recreate due to a number of factors.
He clearly has a lot of anxiety and I feel for him too.
@@prisonersdilemma939 Yeah but "He isn't educated enough", "He isn't suitable for the task" or "The CW put him in a bad spot" sure didn't stop the prosecution from trying to use his reconstruction to secure a murder conviction. That's where you draw the line. Nothing excuses that.
Trooper Paul couldn't close a dam umbrella you kidding!!? Duuuaaaahhhh i went to math class🤪
There have been a lot of reasonable doubts brought up with the Troopers testimonies
The witnesses who are SUPPOSED to make you believe in the defendant’s guilt!!🤷🏻♀️
She is guilty as hell .
She defo riding her lawyer
We will never know the truth
We will when she going to be found guilty! Jurors are not stupid to believe that she was framed
Hope Josephine is never framed by a large group of people. She may need a defense.
Not guilty.. so much reasonable doubt you could fill the court room with it@@josephinedimercurio5012
@josephinedimercurio5012
I don't know. This case stinks and there is a huge gap here that leaves reasonable doubt. Imo I think she's not guilty. I don't see motive. Why did she kill him? What would be the end game? She gets nothing for doing it. She has no kids w him. She gets no cash for it. So none of it mashed sense. Trooper is way inconsistent. He's covering for ppl
you actually seen pre trial videos or the huge crowds she has everyday to cheer her on??? The Jurors see and hear that I assure you! So don’t be surprised if she’s not guilty
At the 6:34:15 time does he whisper under his breath “Kill me”?! 😮
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Yes he seems to have Tourette’s syndrome. My guess is a mild case. He seems to have great control of outbursts. And right before he said that his hands came up where he was trying to control it. Then he said that under his breathe. He had made others small outburst prior to this one. And can see in his face his control of others.
It's sad a reconstruction officer can't really give us a reconstructive visual.. The defense attorney has already caught him in so many different lies and caused him to contradict himself in so many ways.. I couldn't believe that every time the defense asked him about something, he'd act like he didn't know what he was talking about it, like the glass cup.. And it's sad tgis trooper Paul doesn't know what physics is and some of the other words and equations.. Plus back pedeling when he says someone else told him or he guessed.. This is sad and the defense attorney just shot his testimony out of the water and the prosecutor not letting trooper Paul answer the questions that he knows that will bury the ones covering up!
Trooper kept saying we. Omg he's totally inept! So bad🙄
Have you SEEN, TUESDAY; 6-18-2024. . .DAY "27", Testimony. . .A.M. Before dismissing lawyers; Judge said: "I didn't think we'd get done this early. We could have had the Jury and continued". Judge is to make the DECIDSION, on THURSDAY about the Defenses, two Reconstruction EXPERTS. GONNA BE GOOD:) :)
I just watched that! Now I'm trying to find day 28 😂 I just started watching this and following it and I can already see she didn't do I can't believe the common wealth is always objecting everything and everyone to do with the defense 😂 They already know this has been thrown out of the water 😂😂
TODAY day 30! Closing Arguments TOMORROW & Jury gets their turn. The Defense Witness, I feel didn't have a CHANCE, like Trooper Paul! Just 14 points like Trooper Paul? ? One person on the rolling comments stated a UFO did it. I agree :) :)
Never WATCHED such a "mess" ! ? ! ?
Ian Whiffen- top notch expert. This trial has definitely brought to light some fascinating things about internet/search activity on iphones most people never knew.
GRAND DEFENSE I tell ya. They thought that when they assigned this trooper Paul, he will just talk his way super fast through the testimony and no one will pick up on anything lol. Again, better than any movie..
Again, what in the world was the prosecution thinking? ? ?
There is no way Trooper Paul wrote his own report. He doesn't seem to know what's in it and tries to read from it but gets shut down by the judge plus the words in the report are extremely polished and professional. But when he has to use his own words he uses phrases like "that stuff" and has no idea the meaning of many of the large words. He also seems to have zero knowledge of physics and formulas that are needed to do his job. He may have assisted them, but he didn't write that report as he claims.
The young man nervous-and the young man being intimidated-by a bully.
The young man is a bold face, pathological liar, and his behavior is exactly what’s on display
He doesn’t look very young to me 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤣
Definitely didn’t write it
@@AnnMcHale that poor young man should’ve never been used as a witness
6:34:19-6:34:22 In that time frame, the trooper says under his breath(but directly into the mic), "Kill me!" They are all so professional!
OMG I rewound it as I thought I imagined it. What the actual F?!
OMG!!! What in the world! All of these guys tied to this are in over their heads. They thought Karen was going to take the charges and go away. They thought wrong!!! They are so stressed and filled with anxiety because there are too many lies to keep straight and too many people tangled in this web!! Wow I didn't think I could get any more shocked in this trial. I was wrong!!
@@Lunareclipse9🤦🏻♂️
6:34:16 The trooper on the stand sighs and says “kill me” in a whispered tone but heard clearly in the microphone 😱😱
This was one big cover up and these cops are all wishing they didn’t go along with framing Karen Read. They thought she would wear the charges. Nope 👎
@@WarriorWomanWaWo. I guess it’s the opposite. and trooper. Proctor hoped that she would kill herself. Well trooper, Proctor.?
Guarino, why did you say: kill me. Are you sleeping well at night???
When was this!? I can't find it
😂 because he saw the 3 huge binders of texts and he didn't want to read them....I think 🤔 the texts helped Karen....thanks Lally😂😂😂..I find Lally laughable
6:34:15 😂
@@Warfarenuggetz 6:34:15
Does any male have hair in MA or is everyone bald... ?
It’s a cult
The bald head is the way they identify with each other. It’s like being blood Brothers and corruption. If you got a bald head, you’re in the club and keep your mouth shut and go along with it. It’s an unspoken method of being in the club.
The Stepford Troopers need Diversity ASAP 🙈🙈🙈
LOLOL! I just called them that, explaining them to my husband! Great minds...@@LovetheLed
I have observed 2 specific hair styles, one is bald, the other is , cut close to the head with an extremely straight part on the left. That's it! Well, then there is Lally's hair. I don't know WTF is going on there.
How is it, the accident can occur at 12:45 am when she was returning home at 12:41 am..sure hope the Jury is paying close attention.
The accident time is approximate. Did you hear her texts and dozens of phone calls?
6:34:16 The trooper on the stand sighs and whispers “kill me” into the microphone 😱😱
He knows him and the other cops are now in huge trouble for setting Karen Read up. They assumed Karen would not be able to refute the charges, and had no clue her defence attorney would destroy their lies on the stand
I knew I couldn’t be the only one to hear that
I knew I couldn’t be the only one to hear that
He DID!!! I thought I was going crazy hearing things!! Lol 😂 wow this is insane, sometimes it feels like this is all a big joke on the public... Could they really be this "smart"
Wow total insanity !!
@lisamaddox2167 so strange
This whole trial is a mess. I think it possible she did it accidentally but she won't be found guilty cause the police investigation
An Albert or Mcabe????? 😅😂😅😂
Really mind boggling how anybody could see all this and STILL believe Karen was involved in any degree. That theory makes no sense and has zero evidence to corroborate it, simply because she didn’t do it and thats why she’ll be found not guilty.
@@Alextriumph1050get a job
@@MarsEdition their world is so small they think every1 else is a 'McAlbert.' 🤭
The police did as good a job as could be expected. They have all the forensic data, and there was no need to look at anyone else. Especially since they clearly had been arguing for days, and she admitted to hitting him. I’m more surprised though that the lawyers havent gone over the material they plan on using - and that both parties agree on. As well as putting up a proper timeline for the trial. The judge is clearly exasperated and for good reason. Wrap it up people
So no pieces fell off as the vehicle left the area?
And the snowplow didn’t relocate any of the pieces?
I love to discuss these topics, one have to agree to disagree and try to see the cases with open mind, outside the box! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and learn from each other.
6:34:53 dude definitely said “kill me!”
😂
5:45:30 He says you couldn't modify the extraction because of the hash value. But you could also just recalculate the hash right? Nobody saw the original extraction hash before proctor.
At this point, CW is helping the defense big time and the defense hasn’t even presented their defense yet. Can you imagine ? Defense will knock this out of the ballpark I bet. Should have never went to trial.
'have gone.'
@@BoxerClover ALL of the Karen Read cultists are poor spellers and have terrible grammar.
@@milart12 i've noticed! [& i thought I was terrible at BOTH!]
“It didn’t quite fit the pedestrian thing”. ….. sir….
Not sure why but when I listen to how smart, sharp, and on point Jackson is- he reminds me of a younger Michael J Fox! If this case were made into a movie- I could totally see a young Michael J. Fox playing the role of A. Jackson! Love the way he cross examines! 😂😂🙌🏼
Karen has the best lawyers.
The accident reconstruction was underwhelming! We need a visual to understand!
It didn't happen as her taillight was intact at 5 am that morning .
@@Alextriumph1050 IT absolutely 100% DID HAPPEN and not because Trooper Paul says so-THE RECORDED DATA OF KAREN READ'S VEHICLE (WHICH CANNOT BE ALTERED) RECORDED KAREN READ REVERSE AND HIT JOHN O'KEEFE.
@@AnnMcHaleit absolutely DID NOT happen
@@AnnMcHale Wasn't proven conclusively. Look at video of Karen in John's driveway as she was leaving to go and look for him. She reversed into his car at 5am that morning and cracked her taillight. The taillight was still intact which means she never hit Johan outside of 34 Fairview. All the answers lye with the MCAlberts .
There was absolutely nothing in her car data indicating she hit him.
Defense is afraid to let anything go thru- constant side bar. And, thats not a conspiracy 😂
16:41 Vader’s back! Can’t hear Jackson through Aunt Bev”s loud breathing.
The UK witness is so well spoken. Makes him credible.
There’s more than reasonable doubt, I could NEVER convict on the state’s case!!!!
There was something “VERY” strange about these 2 officers on the stand today,they “BOTH” appeared to be speaking to someone in a “VERY” nonchalant manner ?!?!
When I watched the trial live, I missed the part where he said kill me.
6 hrs and 34 sec
Proctor really did a good job on Karen's and John's phone when he was in his office while looking a nude pictures of Karen on her phone.
Lilly should quit his day job! Lol
Laymen terms were created for Trooper Paul…
Let’s keep in mind, this trooper was training another trooper.
Karen owes Paul a dinner date😂
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We’re all a little bit dumber after watching Trooper Paul
Does anyone understand what he is saying??
I am shocked this judge is still on the case. She is compromised
Oh man…After reading those texts with John and Karen, I am so glad I’m single. Been there, done that and never want to go through that ever again. The relationship was sour, they should have just gone their separate ways. These people are filled with too much Drama🙄
True dat!
6:34:16 “Tell me”? “Let me”? “Kill me”? What did the mic pick up? He’s excited for this section of questioning…
I think the biggest mistake by the defense is that they overpromised. It seems very unlikely that Google search happened in the middle of the night as they claimed. That of course doesn't help the prosecution prove guilt but it's a dent in the credibility for the defense.
Maybe. We'll see. These huge claims certainly swayed a ton of people pre-trial in the public, but who knows how the jury will see it.
I agree. Not only that, now, today, they have insinuated that Proctor deleted the search by going into the phone extraction data and adjusting it in a way that only a PhD computer scientist would be able to accomplish. That is so far-fetched, it has to turn off some jurors that may be on the fence, I was laughing today when I heard Yanetti cross the guy from England with those crazy questions. They should not have asked him a single question. If that is their accusation at this point, why not let your expert testify to how someone could accomplish deleting only a single search from the extraction data. Judging from today’s witness, it would be almost impossible to accomplish without detection, though.
Defense hasn’t presented their defense yet to cancel out stated expert witnesses. It will be a battle of the experts.
@@prisonersdilemma939 I agree, I think it's dangerous spreading the conspiracy theory too wide. But I think they're hinting at Brian Higgins. Remember how it was testified his best friend was an agent working at the FBI computer forensics lab. And the two of them already colluded to do an illegal extraction of his phone. Suddenly not as far fetched...
@@redcharm6173 It's not a battle of the experts. The defense is making an affirmative third party claim saying corrupt cops killed John and other corrupt cops covered it up. As a juror, the evidence: previous vacation where Karen Read acted irrationally when she thought a woman was flirting with JO, her alcohol intake the night he died, her tail light pieces being found the same day where O'Keefe was found. Her statements about hitting him on the day he was found. Versus: If you believe that is a more reasonable cause than multiple people, who may or may not know each other, conspired to conceal a murder and blame an innocent person. The jurors are given two possible reasons for his death and will choose what makes more sense.
I love it!!!!!!
1:35:01 What did Trooper Paul mumble?? Interesting after judge advised to show him evidence. I rewiund 100 times, can't make it out.
I can’t get it figured out either, why would he whisper anything or say something like this? Makes no sense, but neither does he! 😂 Jackson should get him back on the stand and question him about it, and see what he said. It’s odd
It was hard to make out most of his testimony. He was not confident in his answers and he probably knew the world wasn’t going to buy the ridiculous theory of his.
I just watched it and he is talking to someone
@@susanaymond6342 that’s what I thought too. Like a mic is in his collar
I've never seen a more thorough dismantling of a 'specialist'. I sort of felt bad for him. He just looked like a guy whose job is to hear a story and create reports/assessments to match that story. They through him to the sharks. Defense attorneys are earning their pay
Ugh. Threw*
1:35:00 mental breakdown commenced!
"It doesn't look good, ____"? I can't quite make out what he says.
If those are dog bites, then where are the corresponding puncture wounds on this poor police officer's jacket?
Trooper Paul wanted to be a dentist ever since he saw the misfit toys part of Rudolph!
you won't understand this, but ... that's probably the worst allusion ever made.
I actually really feel for Trooper Paul… his anxiety has been broadcast for the world to see, and now his integrity and quality of his work is being undermined. I believe he’s a fall guy for this terrible culture within that police department. If his employer cared about his wellbeing, they would have prepared him better for the questions that could have been asked of him. Regardless of innocence or guilt for Karen, or a terrible police investigation - and just focusing on his performance as a professional witness - until you’ve been a witness on the stand and had your livelihood and professional experience questioned under cross examination, you will never understand how stressful it actually is. I believe that this guy may be very new to the court space and testifying. He absolutely fell apart, but it doesn’t mean he’s not qualified to do his job. I do feel for him. His employer has not given him enough training in the space of testifying in court. Let alone having to do it on live stream television. Poor guy.
Desk job would be his best bet, possibly Proctor’s assistant, oh wait Proctor is loosing his job as soon as verdict comes in
No, not poor guy actually, if you think about it, it’s poor Karen. She’s the one they want to put in prison for the rest of her life to suffice their cover-up so poor Karen would be more accurate.
I completely agree with you. It hurt to watch.
@@charleslaurice I absolutely do feel for Karen, it would be horrendous for her going through this - in my comment I did say I was just focusing on his testimony and anxiety and how his workplace did not prepare him, not guilt or innocence.
Was it known that she was apparently in Mansfield by 1:05 am?? Did I mishear that?
That is simply lie number 1 from her that night in a drunken attempt to cover her tracks.
@@eugenewood721 Do we know what she told the police?
@@drewc771Does not matter in this case, because there is evidence that she did not make that trip which would have added at least 25 miles to her odometer and 1 hour round trip - for a sober person in good weather. Now if the prosecution is correct in JOK being kill around 12:45 or so, then why is she telling John she was in Mansfield? It’s not like he had a car and could come chase her down at her house, so why lie to him?
@@eugenewood721 that's what confused me, bc just googlin said it was at least 20 mins. I didn't realize it was known she was still in Canton, that she was just lying to him. At least for her, that's better in this case than lying to the police.