Zaxxar Travers Ireland is a more and more secular country, grandmother's rosary beads are not what we should base healthcare on. And quite frankly this vote is too important to be basing your decision on some religious fairytale. On the point of Simon Harris being out of touch I can't help but laugh at you. He was clearly understanding, articulate and well versed on a proposed legislation based on what doctors, legal professionals and a civilian panel feel would best serve pregnant women in our country. The only ones that are out of touch are those on the vote no side
Secularism is a dead-end. So, you think Christianity is a fairy tale? Christianity is based on the resurrection of Christ. Christianity would have died in 33AD had this been the case. Harris only listens to those he wants to hear. He got elected in 2011 partly because he was seen as a prolife TD. Now he's pushing for abortion on demand because of some journey. He wants to shut down counselling agencies which want to help women keep their unborn children. He's arrogant and the personification of political expediency. He would hang his granny if it would make him Taoiseach. The whole Committee on the 8th and the so-called Citizen's Assembly were stitch ups. This FG govt. will go down in history as being one of the most anti-Irish and treasonous.
neo 1916 I've no doubt jesus christ existed but do you really believe immaculate conception? Or resurrection?? Get a grip Fine Gael allowed a vote of consciounse for its TDs so the idea that this is some kind of FG backed conspiracy is laughable.
Terrible debate, too many people with no one having time to even finish a thought. Host constantly interrupts people. People talking over one another. Amateur hour!
The first three cases revolve around fetal abnormality. That, along with the rape argument, is nothing but a smokescreen. Why not discuss the VAST MAJORITY of abortion cases which are down to sheer inconvenience for whatever reason. Of course women should be taken care of with respect to fetal abnormality and after care. That is the failure of government but the 'yes' side of the debate do not want to touch the argument about the abortion of unwanted pregnancies. They want minority arguments to shape the majority cases. That's insidious. Ireland will most likely vote to change the law because they want to bend over backwards to be seen as a 'liberal' society. The '12 week' limit is nonsense as this will not be enough for the pro choice lobby, who will constantly campaign to have this increased even up to full term.
Ireland hasn't banned water fluoridation which is known to cause foetal abnormalities. The Health Service Executive mandates it!! So young women drink it from their tap, and because it works as a toxin, it behaves as one neurologically as well. 98% of Europe have banned it! We need to account for fluoride in healthcare.
I agree with you. Fluoridation of public drinking water is compulsory in Ireland since the mid 1960s. Madness, forced medication. Actually it's not even pure fluoride just the waste product of industry. I suspect the addition of F to the water supply is a slow acting long term poisoning of the Irish public.
TOI4PHKc Everywhere is fluoridated, although West Cork achieved a fluoride-free status, based on local filtering achievements. Our water has been fluoridated since the 60's, so that means we have had foetuses exposed to fluoride for approximately 70 years. I can link you some studies involving fluoride and foetal development later, if I can easily find them again. It's not easy raising awareness about fluoride! But seeing as it has been removed in 98% of Europe, that should suggest something about it's safety status to you, and to the people of Ireland.
It looks, like once again, the great people of Ireland have made the right decision... condoms, divorce, homosexuality and now abortion - Irelands people are taking a stand for empowerment, liberty, compassion and tolerance! So, well done Ireland... and to all the wonderful men and women who wrestled with this difficult decision, listened to the arguments and voted with their hearts. ... another historic moment for Irish democracy : )
This was an awful debate... the host very evidently showed bias, people were constantly interrupted and the no campaign especially weren't able to finish their points... I've seen school debates better than this
The debate could have been interesting if the host didn't keep on interrupting the quests and pushing her own views and agendas in the questions. Absolutely horrible host. Also while the stories told by all the women are definitely horrendous, you can't define laws based on exceptions.
So a woman who decided to take her baby to term acknowledges that the woman who decided not to had 'made the best decision she could' but doesn't want other women to have that decision. Fucks sake.
@@elonex7659 My point to clu83 above was that society imposes restrictions on our behavior all the time to protect others, so saying 'if you don't want an abortion, don't have one' is like saying if you don't like theft then don't steal.
@@elonex7659 Also if we changed the legislation so that killing human beings with youtube tags 'Elone X' wasn't defined as 'murder' then killing you would be legal but we would all still know that killing you would be morally wrong. What is legal is different to what is morally right.
@@Allthewayhome781 the society has no rules to protect the life q person who is biologically dependent on other. That's the difference between abortion and murder.
@@2LegHumanist Oh you mean the oppressive church that wants to discourage society from mutilating and killing their own flesh and blood out. Well done!
The law does need to be reformed or changed in some manner. That poor woman Savita Halappanavar died a prolonged excruciating and PREVENTABLE death . Dr's were obstructed from saving her because of the clumsy and antiquated 8th. instead of being able to do their job they had to watch the woman deteriorate and die in a cruel undignified and excruciating inhumane agonising manner . SHE WASN'T EVEN A CATHOLIC but had to die because a catholic dogma had encroached its way into women's Healthcare . women are human beings too worthy of being saved! Women aren't merely walking incubators that should be forced to go down with the fetus in the event of life threatening complications. If the anti abortion people want to retain the 8th they should make reasonable concessions regarding dangerous complications that require abortion to preserve the health and life of the mother. If its repealed.. They only have themselves to blame.
andrew brand you people are despicable hypocrites, you talk about the "sanctity of life" yet have no qualms about placing women in unnecessary dangerous and life threatening positions that could result in their deaths via obstructing a Dr from performing a termination to remove an unviable pregnancy, the sepsis WAS CAUSED by the unviable fetus Dr's were prevented from removing poisoning her insides and eventually killing her in a slow agonising manner . The 8th killed her. Pro life? like heck you are.
The empowerment of women is progress. The dogma of religion as well as the laws developed from such dogma weaken with this empowerment. The debasement of women by religious institutions will lessen as reason, science, education and enlightened morality is accepted. I work as a doctor in Queensland, Australia’s backwater for misogynistic views. I am so excited by Ireland’s stand in this matter. Congratulations!
Actually all the scientific evidence supports the conclusion that the foetus is a human being just at an early stage of development. An abortion kills an innocent human being. To say anything else is science denial.
B25694477 : What is it about my comment, that recommends women’s empowerment, that makes you think it supports Islamic Law? Faith is a belief in that which cannot be proven. Religions are all based in this. Laws based on religions are equally fictitious, hence absurd and usually repressive. You must lose a lot of your bets.
This is tough because both sides have good points. I ask the people of Ireland to Repeal the 8th tomorrow just because it will save lives of Irish women. I also ask for people to go out and vote. Even if you disagree with me then vote anyway. A high turn out is good for democracy and will be good for your country. x
It is totally not true that women are dying in Ireland because it has the equal rights 8th amendment. Ireland has a very high standard of care for pregnant women. It has one of the world's lowest maternal mortality rates. Savita died because of medical negligence and a late diagnosis of a fatal form of sepsis. 3 separate reports confirm this. This woman's death has been used shamelessly by all those agitating for abortion on demand.
neo 1916 hi! Pregnancy is really really dangerous. The process of birth has such a high risk of death. It's not about standard of care. Complications are incredibly common. Also the person may not want to raise a child or put their life at risk by giving birth.
Why are people who are not Irish getting involved in this, if you are not Irish, feck off and mind your own business, anyway it looks like it's done, slan to the 8th, it wasn't nice knowing ya.
Ruth Kingston For woman who don't want children sterilization is a better option, but women who are young and don't already have children most often get denied. There is a documentary called "young and sterile: my body my choice", it's about the struggles of young adults trying to get sterilized especially young women. Personally, I would like to get sterilized but I'm 20 and all the doctors and gynecologist I have been to under the nhs have been very much against it. I'm going to have to save up and go private.
The comments on here are typical of the misogynistic, hateful weirdos we have had to endure in Ireland for decades. But not any more. This is our country now. 68% Yes.
@@Allthewayhome781 Wrong, only a potential human as a large percentage naturally abort anyway there are millions of woman who miscarry without ever knowing they were ever pregnant
@@nedleyolpal Why would a high mortality rate mean the fetus isn't a human being. Those infected with ebola have a high mortality rate, are they human beings?
@@Allthewayhome781 Well, it’s obvious really, a cell is not a human with all the same abilities as the other people at least, not yet anyway, aborting a single Cell, a Mono zygote with no ability to think or feel, no brain or nervous system, is by definition less harmful than murder to the already living, A house fly has over 400,000 cells, yet we think nothing of swatting it.
@@nedleyolpal This is a different point to what you said above. I take it you now accept the high mortality rate doesn't mean the embryo isn't a human being. Secondly on your new point. There is a scientific definition of a human being and a human embryo meets this definition. What species is the human embryo if not a human in your view? If certain abilities are needed to be a 'human being' what abilities exactly and why and who gets to determine this? A house fly is certainly a living thing but I care about humans more than other non human animals or insects.
You are alive once you start formulating memories. You can not kill something that has never lived. And nobody should tell a woman what she can let grow in her body. Period. Who alive today has memories of living in the womb?
I agree with the abortion. Because if you were raped at a young age and you then fell pregnant you would lose your future, your career! Also if you were not built to be a mother or father and then you have the child they may be abusive and ruin that child’s life. To a certain extent, I think that getting an abortion 12 weeks or over should not be legal. This is because a baby under that age in the belly has not developed properly, it’s only an embryo (cell) inside of you. But if you were to leave it to 16 weeks that baby is starting to grow and develop feet and finger nails. This is why I strongly agree for the abortion to take place in Ireland to a certain extent.
"Also if you were not built to be a mother or father and then you have the child they may be abusive and ruin that child’s life" I guess abortion doesn't ruin the child's life, no?
@@wordforever117 listen…you are right I just think in the case of rape carrying the pregnant is can be so much trauma for the mother….the symptoms of PTSD or a major depressive episode..with the mother not able to take in adequate nutrition or sleep.. This would harm them both… There is often not adequate medical treatment for this during pregnancy…medications often can not be taken.. 9 months of mental distress is a lot to expect of a person without relief Don’t you think?
“In order to terminate a pregnancy, you have to still a heartbeat, switch off a developing brain, and, whatever the method, break some bones and rupture some organs.” - Christopher Hitchens
@@katenoke1571 Abortificant medications achieve the same horrific outcome. And the fetus would still need to be dismembered to be removed from the uterus, depending on how far along we are talking about
Very true, if this ref was in Britain I literally wouldn't know which way to vote. Used to be v pro-choice, now i've sort of leaned into the middle where I'm just not 100% on either side.
This presenter is so unbelievably rude to the No side and is clearly biased and for the yes side! I still can’t believe that Ireland made abortion legal it makes me sick that this is the world we live in today!
The lived experience once was that Ireland had the highest rate of infanticide in Europe. For a compassionate understanding of 'infanticide' read 'Growth of the Soil, Knut Hamsun'. It' about a difficult case of a mother murdering her child. As technology develops we will realise life does indeed begin at conception. At the same time, eugenics will become the norm. Just wait until the insurance industry counts the cost of abortion vs. intensive medical care. Mothers will be 'advised' that 'termination' is "preferable". Just like the development of C-section.
It's so interesting as a portrait photographer and an anthropologist. In 1st world societies, you see the same alliances/teams forces over and over again (a) the wealthy sheltered organized religious folks and (b) the middle class woke folk. I really wish that the (a) team would actually put their money and energy where their mouthes are. Stop trying to enforce laws and do absolutely no action. If these people would actually show me their truly cared by opening centers that supported single mothers with free childcare, food, and shelter programs, maybe we would actually believe in pro-life. But the sad realities is that when single mothers have to raise children without these types of benefits, they stay imprisoned in their own lives. These women often times have to give up their education to support their children, shamed by their communities and lack government support financially. I don't care what your belief is HUMAN RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS. No one is allowed to tell another human what they may or may not do with their own bodies, period.
That's a lie. Abortion is supported by the wealthy. People who are used to getting their own way, even at terrible cost to others. That's why it's pushed so strongly in the media and by every major irish political party. Ireland also has very generous welfare programmes and supports and free primary and secondary education systems, housing assistance payments, energy and school grants. Why not bring in a third tier of tax at 100k and raise half a billion euro to support children. I'd support that. Abortion is a cope out on responsibility, it fails women and their children.
I get how the mental health thing can be abused… But if you are depressed or have bio polar disorder…during pregnancy often times you advised not to take your medications or take safer less effective ones.. If the woman can get through that pregnancy without her normal treatment that’s great But some can not.. Vague mental health issues no.. But specific ones…she should have the option because suicidality threatens the mother’s life
The Irish were one of the last holdouts on this issue in Western Europe. Yet like so much of the rest, they have increasingly abandoned their Christian faith, creating a space that will be filled by materialistic secularism on the one hand and Islam on the other (as Muslim immigrants continue to pour into the country). And you know what? Good for you. You got what you wanted. Just don't come crying later, complaining about what is happening to your society. You have committed "cultural suicide," and now need to live with it, at least until the time when you come to your senses and return to your roots of your Christian faith.
Well now, my mother, who was born in Galway in 1935 and worked as a nurse all her life, had plenty of mother and baby horror stories. She was told by her doctor when she inquired about contraception after she nearly lost her life during childbirth (in the Regional hospital, where Savita died) that she would need to ask her parish priest. She was appalled. Asked a friend for help and got contraception from Dublin. Trust me, if she were still alive, she would be cheering this decision
So you mean add to the 50 million plus figure. Is there not not enough blood being shed already? You do realise that the murderous Bolshevik regime got the ball rolling when they forced abortion on Russia? The communists went onto kill millions in that Christian nation.
neo 1916 If abortions are bad because the communist allowed them, then putting satellite s into space is a communist scheme. It doesn't matter if Russia was Christian, that's irrelevant.
The Bolshevik revolution targeted the Christian population. If you read up on it, it was largely foreign financed and organised. Abortion was legalised not because they cared about women but they wanted to implement their ideology and attack fabric of Russian society. The 1920 Act was a sign of things to come. It is commonly known that those on the left are the ones most strongly in favour of abortion.
It's ridiculous to have to refute literally the first sentence, but; A woman choosing abortion emotionally effects the man and the woman almost equally (although the woman is making the choice to do so so that trumps her reasoning for some of that emotion (let alone the man usually having no say legally)) It might 'profoundly' affect woman more physically as they are one having the surgery. But the way she states that intro made me think; there are Dad's having there children killed here to! Mostly just by woman's choice for their own body autonomy.
The crux of the argument is whether or not we accept that a fetus is a human ,the Yes believe it is not yet a human being whereas the No believe it is a human being
I think the yes side is making the point that no human being can use another person's organs without their express and ongoing consent. Seems like it was a persuasive argument
keep your knickers on or use contracetion if you dont want a baby or charge 10,000 for abortions...that woud stop unwanted pregnacy. Its ok for special cases like birth defects but not a lifestyle choice.
Not compatable for life, doesnt that mean we can look after them for as long as they are alive in our wombs until they die? I'm so sorry this happened to these women, we are chose for for the beginning and end of life for our babies 💔
Babies become capable of "expressed personhood" around age 9 mo. "expressed personhood" is the same concept used to determine euthanasia cases. Before this time, it is unlikely that any "egoic*" entity is destroyed when the fetus or
Out of 10 people on the 'No' side, we have 4 men. Out of 11 people on the 'Yes' side, there is 1 man. Probably liberal men are less inclined to involve themselves in this debate, which I understand, but the presence of fundamentally religious men in this debate is quite telling. There is only one strong argument on the 'No' side, and that is the religious belief of the sanctity of life which starts at conception. As science and reason point out the inherent flaws in that belief, we really must update our legislation.
Mica Helen. You don't have to be religious to have moral values, that is a smokescreen by the yes side. Granted we are a Catholic country and our religion preaches that all life is precious, which it is without a doubt, but take religion out of the question and you still have the same answer, all life is precious. It is not only Catholics or religious people that have human principles or morals.
Damian Houlihan in one year there were 3,231 abortions in England & Wales after 20 weeks. Abortion is used as a contraceptive, it is used to kill unborn babies who have MINOR disabilities. In the US there are a million abortions a year. The point is that even though there may be genuine reasons for abortion there will utter atrocities committed if you follow the British model. Please vote no, with a proviso: come back with a pro-abortion policy which is civilised.
Every fetus is pre-viable, meaning within a few months WILL become viable. It is only a matter of time, unless someone steps in and destroys any change of viability
One year on and I myself know 7 "women" who got abortions jus because they didn use contraception and dey don't care these people are no longer my friends I feel for the special cases and I understand why they would get an abortion but not those people who get them jus cause of the hassle of having a baby
Vote YES Ireland! this is horrible... how can you let a mother watching her baby die after born in few weeks or even days, this could have been avoided and let everything start all over again. "Right to Life" some people are taking this phrase too seriously without thinking of how many lives have suffered (mentally, physically and financially) in order to give the "right to life" to an unborn abnormal fetus... From a third-world country, Cambodia. And yes, abortion in our country is legal under certain circumstances. (Rapes, Fetal abnormalities, Maternal health...)
Richard Moloney - Think about what you are saying! "congratulations" on the impending deaths of countless lives, do you seriously think that should be a cause for celebration?
I urge the Irish people to vote "no" in the referendum. Not because I'm against all abortion but because the proposal is based on the British system which has led to 1 in 5 foetuses being aborted and shocking examples of terminations carried out for the most casual of reasons. 3,231 abortions over 20 weeks occurred in England and Wales in 2016. If people don't think that is infanticide they are simply deluded. There is no debate in the UK about abortion. Feminism dominates everything and we are powerless to do anything about this.
I would recommend a new proposal where abortions are allowed only in exceptional cases within the limit of 10 weeks. If you vote yes there will be no moral attitude to the rights of the unborn. The Republic will go like everywhere else. And for those who say this will not happen, if it does will you have another referendum to reverse it? Let the Irish people show moral leadership by standing up to the political correctness that is convulsing modern western society.
Richard Moloney, aren't you the brave man, voting yes three times to murder innocent babies, bravo you, why don't you jump up and down and clap your hands, what an enormous thing you have done for mankind.
What where in my comments did I blame women and why should a bloke get an irreversible opp yea it takes 2 I said if a bird does abort just cause she should be giving the bar implant that when she does want a baby it can be removed the snip is forever all I was getting at was nobody said anything about the fathers right
Ultimately it will come down to this for the undecided voters. Do you agree that abortion should be available to every single mother regardless of what her situation is? Should every single unborn child's life be put at risk if the 8th Amendment is repealed? They will Vote NO!
2LegHumanist And if it is sentient then the doctor can always cut the vocal chords so he doesn't have to listen to the foetus crying during the destruction process.
Vlad Jones Salty much? You idiots lost. The stranglehold of the Catholic church - and the handful of people who still care what they have to say - over this country is dead.
Wow this debate makes me want to move to Ireland. Just for the fact that unlike Canada you still are having the debate. Even our Conservative party will not cross our FemiNazi's on this. We have free abortion for any reason at any time here and 2 of my children were aborted.Both of our children were conceived intentionally, but when you see it as a choice after conception it gnaws at you to just take the easy road and abort. The thing is that women here have been so so so so very indoctrinated to believe that there is no life involved. They think that once you find out you are pregnant, then it is time to make your choice. Our population is declining now. In Canada! Like we are overpopulated! I am an atheist here and I'm saying vote no to abortion. It is not good for mothers, fathers or children. Make your choices earlier
If every person who would be against abortion would take part of the societies responsibility and foster unwanted children, maybe just maybe, they would not be against abortion after all. You want to take way someone’s decision but dont want to take responsibility for that unwanted child. We have so many unwanted children struggling, growing up without family and home and you want to have more of those kids that are born unwanted to suffer without taking any responsibility. :(
I agree that women should be able to abort a child but what about the father not 1 person talked about the fathers rights what if the bloke doesn't want to abort or if he does want her to abort and she says no where does that leave him
Ask that from Magdalen Landry nuns, priests their bosses Bishop and cardinal. Savage actions they have inflec on those woman salves and their babies. God loves blood.
Women get far more support from the state the men. The family courts always side with women. No one cares for the rights of the father. Pay up and shut up. Men have always been more disposable than women. Its always young men sent to fight someone else's war. And no one really cares.
It's easier for a mother/father to conceive a child than it is for a child to have a mother/father. Human irresponsibility is rife and not a word about it, as long as we all have the right to get rid of the consequences of our own irresponsibility which unfortunately in this case is the taking of life with equal value to our own. The ace up the pro choice sleeve is the 14 year old child that has just been raped, a truly miniscule percentage of overall abortions and those cases many of us are open to the idea if indeed it is necessary. Yea it all boils down to a refusal to insist on responsible behaviour or deal with the consequences, and condoms available in every petrol station. The partying on the streets of Dublin following the result of the referendum was surely some spectacle, pathetic!
It's Her Body If She Bin Raped or Her or The bays Going to Die are the Only 3 Times I think That's It I had a Miss Carried And I would Have Loved a Baby
How many genius kids get killed every year by there mammy s ,,, apart from the poor sick kids that won't live,,, but the rest that just do it ,,,😥😥😥😥😣😣😣😣 nasty I think it is a sin ,,,its an opinion, skum that rape ,,,,,,, kids need a voice people blame money and wealth for doing it what about love 😥😥
Mkay, so if everyone is *equal*, by right of bodily autonomy, a woman can choose to abort any time she wants. Grown adults aren't forced to give up organs for their child if it would save their life, so they're not forced to incubate a fetus either. Yes vote won, so thankfully this will now be actual equality.
Improve the living standards of the impoverished and guarantee high quality public health and sexual health education for every student and you will see a dramatic drop in non-emergency (or rape/incest based) abortions. Nonetheless, the balance of rights needs to be on the side of ALL women.
Josh I think the idea here is that killing a baby before he has had a chance to see the light of day is wrong regardless of any other situation the mother might be in. What you do think about that?
Why is this debate in a church? Very odd location!!
Cos Channel 4 want to frame the argument as the only ones who oppose abortion are religious. The mainstream media has a liberal bias.
Zaxxar Travers Ireland is a more and more secular country, grandmother's rosary beads are not what we should base healthcare on. And quite frankly this vote is too important to be basing your decision on some religious fairytale.
On the point of Simon Harris being out of touch I can't help but laugh at you. He was clearly understanding, articulate and well versed on a proposed legislation based on what doctors, legal professionals and a civilian panel feel would best serve pregnant women in our country. The only ones that are out of touch are those on the vote no side
Secularism is a dead-end. So, you think Christianity is a fairy tale? Christianity is based on the resurrection of Christ. Christianity would have died in 33AD had this been the case. Harris only listens to those he wants to hear. He got elected in 2011 partly because he was seen as a prolife TD. Now he's pushing for abortion on demand because of some journey. He wants to shut down counselling agencies which want to help women keep their unborn children. He's arrogant and the personification of political expediency. He would hang his granny if it would make him Taoiseach. The whole Committee on the 8th and the so-called Citizen's Assembly were stitch ups. This FG govt. will go down in history as being one of the most anti-Irish and treasonous.
neo 1916 I've no doubt jesus christ existed but do you really believe immaculate conception? Or resurrection?? Get a grip
Fine Gael allowed a vote of consciounse for its TDs so the idea that this is some kind of FG backed conspiracy is laughable.
Good Acoustics
Terrible debate, too many people with no one having time to even finish a thought. Host constantly interrupts people. People talking over one another. Amateur hour!
All TV debates seem to be like that these days unfortunately
True. She always interrupt the No side and acts like an interrogator of the No and in interviewer to the Yes.
correction-she allowed the YES to abortion side finish. She cut off the people trying to save women and children from dangers of abortion.
What's the point in having a debate if you're going to cut everyone short ?
Right!
The first three cases revolve around fetal abnormality. That, along with the rape argument, is nothing but a smokescreen. Why not discuss the VAST MAJORITY of abortion cases which are down to sheer inconvenience for whatever reason. Of course women should be taken care of with respect to fetal abnormality and after care. That is the failure of government but the 'yes' side of the debate do not want to touch the argument about the abortion of unwanted pregnancies. They want minority arguments to shape the majority cases. That's insidious. Ireland will most likely vote to change the law because they want to bend over backwards to be seen as a 'liberal' society. The '12 week' limit is nonsense as this will not be enough for the pro choice lobby, who will constantly campaign to have this increased even up to full term.
Because feminists will scream victim blaming.
BRYAN BELSHAW, Best comment i have read so far.
Good for Ireland. It's come a long way. Fantastic to see so many men supporting women and voting yes
Ireland hasn't banned water fluoridation which is known to cause foetal abnormalities. The Health Service Executive mandates it!! So young women drink it from their tap, and because it works as a toxin, it behaves as one neurologically as well. 98% of Europe have banned it! We need to account for fluoride in healthcare.
I agree with you. Fluoridation of public drinking water is compulsory in Ireland since the mid 1960s. Madness, forced medication. Actually it's not even pure fluoride just the waste product of industry. I suspect the addition of F to the water supply is a slow acting long term poisoning of the Irish public.
TOI4PHKc Everywhere is fluoridated, although West Cork achieved a fluoride-free status, based on local filtering achievements. Our water has been fluoridated since the 60's, so that means we have had foetuses exposed to fluoride for approximately 70 years. I can link you some studies involving fluoride and foetal development later, if I can easily find them again. It's not easy raising awareness about fluoride! But seeing as it has been removed in 98% of Europe, that should suggest something about it's safety status to you, and to the people of Ireland.
slambangwallop What kind of spectrum does the phrase 'foetal abnormalities' cover just out of interest? Sounds like a rationalisation
Love how Britain likes to act interested in Irelands own and native issues.
🙄🙄 do irish people always this stupid or judgemental?
The host is poor. I'm incredibly tired of seemingly biased hosts. I'm not even pro-life, I'm just pro-fair.
Very symbolic; The female host doesn't want to give men freedom of speech, incidentally the host of a baby doesn't want to give them freedom of life .
I thought pro-life was pro-fair
It looks, like once again, the great people of Ireland have made the right decision... condoms, divorce, homosexuality and now abortion - Irelands people are taking a stand for empowerment, liberty, compassion and tolerance!
So, well done Ireland... and to all the wonderful men and women who wrestled with this difficult decision, listened to the arguments and voted with their hearts.
... another historic moment for Irish democracy : )
@@CountSnackula7you were already told that hyperbole doesn't work
@@CountSnackula7or are you ok if it's two pills and a period instead of chopping?
I personally know a woman who is diabetic and went blind because of her pregnancy
This was an awful debate... the host very evidently showed bias, people were constantly interrupted and the no campaign especially weren't able to finish their points... I've seen school debates better than this
Catherine Loon needs to be locked up for her own safety.
why does the host continue to cut off the "NO" side?
absolutely disgraceful the way Pat Kenny treated Maria Steen
An abortion should be a decision for those responsible for the pregnancy. The church(s), state institutions, or, society have no business interfering.
Where in Dublin was this debate filmed?
A church
Why are men given such a loud voice here?? It’s the woman who carries the baby and ultimately is the one who carries most of the burden.
being a man does not mean they cant have an opinion on such a serious social issue/question.
now as with Japan the Irish uterus is no longer fit for purpose. no more terrible burden.
The debate could have been interesting if the host didn't keep on interrupting the quests and pushing her own views and agendas in the questions. Absolutely horrible host. Also while the stories told by all the women are definitely horrendous, you can't define laws based on exceptions.
Constant Interruption I can’t watch
Um excuse me get them yes campaigners out of a church! Get out and vote no
The church is a best place for them surely? It is a miracle to have them there.
No to the abhorrence of the profit making abortionist industry in Ireland.
I know seriously do you see the money rolling in now a year later. It's increased Irelands GDP by 2000%.
The Anti-Abortion Set: You just don't understand that *I* know what's right for *you* !!
It is not even about you, lol they don't give two shits about you. That is the problem, they are taking over YOUR body.
The pro-abortion set: I am entitled to kill another human being if their life is inconvient for me
@@Allthewayhome781that would be a crime
So a woman who decided to take her baby to term acknowledges that the woman who decided not to had 'made the best decision she could' but doesn't want other women to have that decision. Fucks sake.
your choice was earlier
🖊️I believe in freedom of choice and explanations of options, choices, economic freedom etc .
You don't want an abortion, don't have one! seems pretty straight forward to me.
If you don't like murder, don't murder anyone. Does that seem reasonable to you
@@Allthewayhome781 but abortion isn't murder.
@@elonex7659 My point to clu83 above was that society imposes restrictions on our behavior all the time to protect others, so saying 'if you don't want an abortion, don't have one' is like saying if you don't like theft then don't steal.
@@elonex7659 Also if we changed the legislation so that killing human beings with youtube tags 'Elone X' wasn't defined as 'murder' then killing you would be legal but we would all still know that killing you would be morally wrong. What is legal is different to what is morally right.
@@Allthewayhome781 the society has no rules to protect the life q person who is biologically dependent on other. That's the difference between abortion and murder.
and now judgement!
When do you think a human life begins? For up to how long should a woman be allowed to get an abortion? 12 weeks, 8 weeks etc.
I doubt the side that loses the referendum will cheerfully accept the result.
Looks like a 68% yes vote according to the exit polls. The Catholic stranglehold on this country is over. **Mic drop**
They need to ban protests 50 metres from clinics.
2LegHumanist Thank god
@@2LegHumanist Oh you mean the oppressive church that wants to discourage society from mutilating and killing their own flesh and blood out. Well done!
@@wordforever117
I love drinking the tears of butthurt sky-fairy believers. More tears please.
The law does need to be reformed or changed in some manner. That poor woman Savita Halappanavar died a prolonged excruciating and PREVENTABLE death . Dr's were obstructed from saving her because of the clumsy and antiquated 8th. instead of being able to do their job they had to watch the woman deteriorate and die in a cruel undignified and excruciating inhumane agonising manner . SHE WASN'T EVEN A CATHOLIC but had to die because a catholic dogma had encroached its way into women's Healthcare . women are human beings too worthy of being saved! Women aren't merely walking incubators that should be forced to go down with the fetus in the event of life threatening complications. If the anti abortion people want to retain the 8th they should make reasonable concessions regarding dangerous complications that require abortion to preserve the health and life of the mother. If its repealed.. They only have themselves to blame.
ms xyz According to the inquest Savita's death would not have been prevented by abortion. Her death was caused by medical negligence.
Denis 1901
That is outright bullshit. Lying makes the baby Jesus cry.
Savita died of sepsis and not the 8th.
andrew brand you people are despicable hypocrites, you talk about the "sanctity of life" yet have no qualms about placing women in unnecessary dangerous and life threatening positions that could result in their deaths via obstructing a Dr from performing a termination to remove an unviable pregnancy, the sepsis WAS CAUSED by the unviable fetus Dr's were prevented from removing poisoning her insides and eventually killing her in a slow agonising manner . The 8th killed her. Pro life? like heck you are.
C'mon most abortions aren't to save the mother from death but from the "inconvenience " of a child be honest
The empowerment of women is progress. The dogma of religion as well as the laws developed from such dogma weaken with this empowerment. The debasement of women by religious institutions will lessen as reason, science, education and enlightened morality is accepted. I work as a doctor in Queensland, Australia’s backwater for misogynistic views. I am so excited by Ireland’s stand in this matter. Congratulations!
I bet you think we should give Muslim the rights to have Sharia Courts in the West.
Actually all the scientific evidence supports the conclusion that the foetus is a human being just at an early stage of development. An abortion kills an innocent human being. To say anything else is science denial.
B25694477 : What is it about my comment, that recommends women’s empowerment, that makes you think it supports Islamic Law? Faith is a belief in that which cannot be proven. Religions are all based in this. Laws based on religions are equally fictitious, hence absurd and usually repressive. You must lose a lot of your bets.
This is tough because both sides have good points. I ask the people of Ireland to Repeal the 8th tomorrow just because it will save lives of Irish women. I also ask for people to go out and vote. Even if you disagree with me then vote anyway. A high turn out is good for democracy and will be good for your country. x
It is totally not true that women are dying in Ireland because it has the equal rights 8th amendment. Ireland has a very high standard of care for pregnant women. It has one of the world's lowest maternal mortality rates. Savita died because of medical negligence and a late diagnosis of a fatal form of sepsis. 3 separate reports confirm this. This woman's death has been used shamelessly by all those agitating for abortion on demand.
neo 1916 hi! Pregnancy is really really dangerous.
The process of birth has such a high risk of death. It's not about standard of care. Complications are incredibly common.
Also the person may not want to raise a child or put their life at risk by giving birth.
Why are people who are not Irish getting involved in this, if you are not Irish, feck off and mind your own business, anyway it looks like it's done, slan to the 8th, it wasn't nice knowing ya.
so what your saying is with a yes vote the results will be 100% fatality for aborted babies in comparison to what % of fatalities to women
Ruth Kingston For woman who don't want children sterilization is a better option, but women who are young and don't already have children most often get denied. There is a documentary called "young and sterile: my body my choice", it's about the struggles of young adults trying to get sterilized especially young women. Personally, I would like to get sterilized but I'm 20 and all the doctors and gynecologist I have been to under the nhs have been very much against it. I'm going to have to save up and go private.
The host is horrific she doesn't allow anyone to finish there story's
35:22 This is what laughing at reality looks like.
The comments on here are typical of the misogynistic, hateful weirdos we have had to endure in Ireland for decades.
But not any more. This is our country now. 68% Yes.
gomey70 rip a lot of babies
@Henry Discipline bullshitter. But luckily there is a very hot place for swine like you. Good riddance when that time comes.
If Catherine Noone cared so much both herself and her FG mates would take pay cuts and fund supports for women in crisis
Thats the most stupid comment i've seen on youtube. That says a lot.
Government and religion should play no part in a women’s reproductive health choices.
But science should and the scientific facts tell us that the foetus is a human being.
@@Allthewayhome781 Wrong, only a potential human as a large percentage naturally abort anyway
there are millions of woman who miscarry without ever knowing they were ever pregnant
@@nedleyolpal Why would a high mortality rate mean the fetus isn't a human being. Those infected with ebola have a high mortality rate, are they human beings?
@@Allthewayhome781 Well, it’s obvious really, a cell is not a human with all the same abilities as the other people
at least, not yet anyway, aborting a single Cell, a Mono zygote with no ability to think or feel, no brain or nervous system, is by definition less harmful than murder to the already living,
A house fly has over 400,000 cells, yet we think nothing of swatting it.
@@nedleyolpal This is a different point to what you said above. I take it you now accept the high mortality rate doesn't mean the embryo isn't a human being.
Secondly on your new point. There is a scientific definition of a human being and a human embryo meets this definition. What species is the human embryo if not a human in your view?
If certain abilities are needed to be a 'human being' what abilities exactly and why and who gets to determine this?
A house fly is certainly a living thing but I care about humans more than other non human animals or insects.
God said: I suffer not a woman to teach, nor usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
That moderator, - Joe would get up and deck her.
You must be American
You are alive once you start formulating memories. You can not kill something that has never lived. And nobody should tell a woman what she can let grow in her body. Period. Who alive today has memories of living in the womb?
WHO LIVING TO DAY VOTED YES
This was three years ago. What was the outcome please?
Abortion is none of my business and none of yours either
What’s the point in having a debate over uteruses when there’s men there ?
her choice was earlier
Voters didn't agree
I agree with the abortion. Because if you were raped at a young age and you then fell pregnant you would lose your future, your career! Also if you were not built to be a mother or father and then you have the child they may be abusive and ruin that child’s life. To a certain extent, I think that getting an abortion 12 weeks or over should not be legal. This is because a baby under that age in the belly has not developed properly, it’s only an embryo (cell) inside of you. But if you were to leave it to 16 weeks that baby is starting to grow and develop feet and finger nails. This is why I strongly agree for the abortion to take place in Ireland to a certain extent.
Is abortion not rape/
@@buskerharmony what
"Also if you were not built to be a mother or father and then you have the child they may be abusive and ruin that child’s life"
I guess abortion doesn't ruin the child's life, no?
A heartbeat happens earlier. They are human babies at conception. The child who is raped needs support, not abortion
@@wordforever117 listen…you are right
I just think in the case of rape carrying the pregnant is can be so much trauma for the mother….the symptoms of PTSD or a major depressive episode..with the mother not able to take in adequate nutrition or sleep..
This would harm them both…
There is often not adequate medical treatment for this during pregnancy…medications often can not be taken..
9 months of mental distress is a lot to expect of a person without relief
Don’t you think?
“In order to terminate a pregnancy, you have to still a heartbeat, switch off a developing brain, and, whatever the method, break some bones and rupture some organs.” - Christopher Hitchens
how many people did his friends the USA abort in iraq (a so called war he supported)
@@longmemory1620 Sounds like you also support the killing in Iraq!
That was before abortion meds
@@katenoke1571 Abortificant medications achieve the same horrific outcome. And the fetus would still need to be dismembered to be removed from the uterus, depending on how far along we are talking about
Wearing a pink tie.....
Its nothing to do with politics. It makes me so angry.The decision should be personal .
That doctor on the no side should not be allowed in the medical profession
Hearing the horrible stories these poor mums had to go through...Please vote YES Ireland.
At least they’re still alive. Unlike babies after abortions. Vote no.
Mintsucks 8.7 million human beings have been destroyed in Britain since 1967...that is what you are hoping for?
It's not murder because an early fetus isn't anywhere near sentience.
Jonathan By your definition it should be lawful to murder the mentally disabled and people in coma's. Oh sorry I see that is what you want.
Jonatan D So when does “sentience” begin? And you need to be precise to avoid murder by your own definition.
It's all a bit mad this, I'm on the fence completely... but I'm English so thankfully this isn't my headache
and a man, so double thanks, no doubt.
Oliver Dobson when you say it isn't your headache...there's never any debate about abortion at all in Britain!
Very true, if this ref was in Britain I literally wouldn't know which way to vote. Used to be v pro-choice, now i've sort of leaned into the middle where I'm just not 100% on either side.
At what point does human life not become sacred?
No one has the right to kill other people to avoid difficulties in life. Save the 8th.
This presenter is so unbelievably rude to the No side and is clearly biased and for the yes side! I still can’t believe that Ireland made abortion legal it makes me sick that this is the world we live in today!
I take it you're a no, lol
fetal abattoir where a man finds his get out of jail card and his mother completes her bucket list ?
The lived experience once was that Ireland had the highest rate of infanticide in Europe. For a compassionate understanding of 'infanticide' read 'Growth of the Soil, Knut Hamsun'. It' about a difficult case of a mother murdering her child. As technology develops we will realise life does indeed begin at conception. At the same time, eugenics will become the norm. Just wait until the insurance industry counts the cost of abortion vs. intensive medical care. Mothers will be 'advised' that 'termination' is "preferable". Just like the development of C-section.
It's so interesting as a portrait photographer and an anthropologist. In 1st world societies, you see the same alliances/teams forces over and over again (a) the wealthy sheltered organized religious folks and (b) the middle class woke folk.
I really wish that the (a) team would actually put their money and energy where their mouthes are. Stop trying to enforce laws and do absolutely no action. If these people would actually show me their truly cared by opening centers that supported single mothers with free childcare, food, and shelter programs, maybe we would actually believe in pro-life.
But the sad realities is that when single mothers have to raise children without these types of benefits, they stay imprisoned in their own lives. These women often times have to give up their education to support their children, shamed by their communities and lack government support financially.
I don't care what your belief is HUMAN RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS. No one is allowed to tell another human what they may or may not do with their own bodies, period.
That's a lie. Abortion is supported by the wealthy. People who are used to getting their own way, even at terrible cost to others. That's why it's pushed so strongly in the media and by every major irish political party. Ireland also has very generous welfare programmes and supports and free primary and secondary education systems, housing assistance payments, energy and school grants. Why not bring in a third tier of tax at 100k and raise half a billion euro to support children. I'd support that. Abortion is a cope out on responsibility, it fails women and their children.
is the point made 21:12 true? i can't find any information on it
Abortion on vague mental health grounds up to 24 weeks (viability; and even up to birth). It is far too extreme. I vote NO.
Mental health is health.
Womens wombs rupture after c-section, h&es for endometrial sampling and after miscarriage and also while in labour.
I get how the mental health thing can be abused…
But if you are depressed or have bio polar disorder…during pregnancy often times you advised not to take your medications or take safer less effective ones..
If the woman can get through that pregnancy without her normal treatment that’s great
But some can not..
Vague mental health issues no..
But specific ones…she should have the option because suicidality threatens the mother’s life
I'm from Ireland there is signs everywhere
The Irish were one of the last holdouts on this issue in Western Europe. Yet like so much of the rest, they have increasingly abandoned their Christian faith, creating a space that will be filled by materialistic secularism on the one hand and Islam on the other (as Muslim immigrants continue to pour into the country). And you know what? Good for you. You got what you wanted. Just don't come crying later, complaining about what is happening to your society. You have committed "cultural suicide," and now need to live with it, at least until the time when you come to your senses and return to your roots of your Christian faith.
Ireland can no longer boast it has never violently forced itself onto an others domain THAT SHIPE HAS SAILED
Well now, my mother, who was born in Galway in 1935 and worked as a nurse all her life, had plenty of mother and baby horror stories. She was told by her doctor when she inquired about contraception after she nearly lost her life during childbirth (in the Regional hospital, where Savita died) that she would need to ask her parish priest. She was appalled. Asked a friend for help and got contraception from Dublin. Trust me, if she were still alive, she would be cheering this decision
@@buskerharmonyshame about the shipes 😂
Time for Ireland to vote yes and join the rest of the developed world on this subject.
Jonatan D in killing babies? I think not, VOTE NO!
So you mean add to the 50 million plus figure. Is there not not enough blood being shed already? You do realise that the murderous Bolshevik regime got the ball rolling when they forced abortion on Russia? The communists went onto kill millions in that Christian nation.
neo 1916
If abortions are bad because the communist allowed them, then putting satellite s into space is a communist scheme.
It doesn't matter if Russia was Christian, that's irrelevant.
The Bolshevik revolution targeted the Christian population. If you read up on it, it was largely foreign financed and organised. Abortion was legalised not because they cared about women but they wanted to implement their ideology and attack fabric of Russian society. The 1920 Act was a sign of things to come. It is commonly known that those on the left are the ones most strongly in favour of abortion.
neo 1916
Probably, but that doesn't make it wrong.
"Shame, blame secrets or lies" can happen with or without access to abortion
5 min in and I can see biased of media. This is disaster...
It's a hard debate but this was a bit biased. No questioning of the Yes side but retort for each argument on the No side.
It really is not a hard debate at all
It's ridiculous to have to refute literally the first sentence, but; A woman choosing abortion emotionally effects the man and the woman almost equally (although the woman is making the choice to do so so that trumps her reasoning for some of that emotion (let alone the man usually having no say legally)) It might 'profoundly' affect woman more physically as they are one having the surgery. But the way she states that intro made me think; there are Dad's having there children killed here to! Mostly just by woman's choice for their own body autonomy.
Cliona Johnson is beautiful
That is a very lousy moderator for such a event.
She hasn’t let anyone finish their sentences.
The lady running this thing needs to quit interupting people.
Peadar is so smug. Not sure why Sinn Féin put up with him.
The crux of the argument is whether or not we accept that a fetus is a human ,the Yes believe it is not yet a human being whereas the No believe it is a human being
Science has solved this question, the foetus is a human being.
I think the yes side is making the point that no human being can use another person's organs without their express and ongoing consent. Seems like it was a persuasive argument
@@katenoke1571Can a parent kill their newborn if they no longer consent to parenthood?
I noticed that the senator couldn't answer the simple question when life begins.
Maybe he's not a philosopher?
@@katenoke1571It's a scientific question and it's been answered many, many decades ago. It's at conception
@@Allthewayhome781 not at all. It's philosophical question, still debated by bioethicists
@@katenoke1571 You are incorrect. You are a science denier.
keep your knickers on or use contracetion if you dont want a baby or charge 10,000 for abortions...that woud stop unwanted pregnacy. Its ok for special cases like birth defects but not a lifestyle choice.
If you allow it in some cases, you allow it in others. That's how it works
Not compatable for life, doesnt that mean we can look after them for as long as they are alive in our wombs until they die? I'm so sorry this happened to these women, we are chose for for the beginning and end of life for our babies 💔
Sure, you can, if that's your choice
Amazing debate, journalist and participants.
It was a terrible debate, people talking over each other
Babies become capable of "expressed personhood" around age 9 mo. "expressed personhood" is the same concept used to determine euthanasia cases. Before this time, it is unlikely that any "egoic*" entity is destroyed when the fetus or
So you would support infanticide?
Out of 10 people on the 'No' side, we have 4 men. Out of 11 people on the 'Yes' side, there is 1 man. Probably liberal men are less inclined to involve themselves in this debate, which I understand, but the presence of fundamentally religious men in this debate is quite telling. There is only one strong argument on the 'No' side, and that is the religious belief of the sanctity of life which starts at conception. As science and reason point out the inherent flaws in that belief, we really must update our legislation.
Mica Helen. You don't have to be religious to have moral values, that is a smokescreen by the yes side. Granted we are a Catholic country and our religion preaches that all life is precious, which it is without a doubt, but take religion out of the question and you still have the same answer, all life is precious. It is not only Catholics or religious people that have human principles or morals.
Science has confirmed that human life begins at conception.
im still voting YES
Damian Houlihan I'n still voting No, change my mind...
pmgmail Get out of someone else's personal medical decisions.
im voting NO
Damian Houlihan in one year there were 3,231 abortions in England & Wales after 20 weeks. Abortion is used as a contraceptive, it is used to kill unborn babies who have MINOR disabilities. In the US there are a million abortions a year. The point is that even though there may be genuine reasons for abortion there will utter atrocities committed if you follow the British model. Please vote no, with a proviso: come back with a pro-abortion policy which is civilised.
Robin Best we're going to stay and you're going to shut up
Tommy did nothing wrong.
But suddenly, seven police officers swarmed Tommy and threw him in the back of a police van
wrong video.
'Viability' is a 'god of the gaps' argument
Every fetus is pre-viable, meaning within a few months WILL become viable. It is only a matter of time, unless someone steps in and destroys any change of viability
Why would any woman want to kill her baby???????????????????
Horrendous that these men and women would force a raped child or woman to carry the rapists baby to term. Vile.
One year on and I myself know 7 "women" who got abortions jus because they didn use contraception and dey don't care these people are no longer my friends I feel for the special cases and I understand why they would get an abortion but not those people who get them jus cause of the hassle of having a baby
Then you were obviously never a "friend".
When that older lady put people in their place @ 28:21 it was like Bam! Mic drop 🎤
Vote YES Ireland! this is horrible... how can you let a mother watching her baby die after born in few weeks or even days, this could have been avoided and let everything start all over again.
"Right to Life" some people are taking this phrase too seriously without thinking of how many lives have suffered (mentally, physically and financially) in order to give the "right to life" to an unborn abnormal fetus...
From a third-world country, Cambodia. And yes, abortion in our country is legal under certain circumstances. (Rapes, Fetal abnormalities, Maternal health...)
yep! i just watched it from BBC, did you join the referendum vote Richard?
aengus o'maoilriain it's " you are " anyway
Richard Moloney - Think about what you are saying! "congratulations" on the impending deaths of countless lives, do you seriously think that should be a cause for celebration?
John Gordon and if you had been aborted there'd still be pro and anti abortion views.
I urge the Irish people to vote "no" in the referendum. Not because I'm against all abortion but because the proposal is based on the British system which has led to 1 in 5 foetuses being aborted and shocking examples of terminations carried out for the most casual of reasons. 3,231 abortions over 20 weeks occurred in England and Wales in 2016. If people don't think that is infanticide they are simply deluded. There is no debate in the UK about abortion. Feminism dominates everything and we are powerless to do anything about this.
I would recommend a new proposal where abortions are allowed only in exceptional cases within the limit of 10 weeks. If you vote yes there will be no moral attitude to the rights of the unborn. The Republic will go like everywhere else. And for those who say this will not happen, if it does will you have another referendum to reverse it? Let the Irish people show moral leadership by standing up to the political correctness that is convulsing modern western society.
It's not based on the British system.
Exit polls show an overwhelming yes vote. The catholic stranglehold on this country is over.
The proposal to replace the 8th is far less extreme than the British system.
Richard Moloney, aren't you the brave man, voting yes three times to murder innocent babies, bravo you, why don't you jump up and down and clap your hands, what an enormous thing you have done for mankind.
And it's shouldn't be just on tap they should be giving that implant if there's no proper reason
Why is all the blame always directed towards the women? Maybe men could take some responsibility too? ✂︎
What where in my comments did I blame women and why should a bloke get an irreversible opp yea it takes 2 I said if a bird does abort just cause she should be giving the bar implant that when she does want a baby it can be removed the snip is forever all I was getting at was nobody said anything about the fathers right
Ultimately it will come down to this for the undecided voters. Do you agree that abortion should be available to every single mother regardless of what her situation is? Should every single unborn child's life be put at risk if the 8th Amendment is repealed? They will Vote NO!
It is not immoral to end the life of a non-sentient being.
2LegHumanist And if it is sentient then the doctor can always cut the vocal chords so he doesn't have to listen to the foetus crying during the destruction process.
Vlad Jones
Salty much? You idiots lost. The stranglehold of the Catholic church - and the handful of people who still care what they have to say - over this country is dead.
@@vladjones2446cords
Wow this debate makes me want to move to Ireland. Just for the fact that unlike Canada you still are having the debate. Even our Conservative party will not cross our FemiNazi's on this.
We have free abortion for any reason at any time here and 2 of my children were aborted.Both of our children were conceived intentionally, but when you see it as a choice after conception it gnaws at you to just take the easy road and abort. The thing is that women here have been so so so so very indoctrinated to believe that there is no life involved. They think that once you find out you are pregnant, then it is time to make your choice. Our population is declining now. In Canada! Like we are overpopulated!
I am an atheist here and I'm saying vote no to abortion. It is not good for mothers, fathers or children. Make your choices earlier
If every person who would be against abortion would take part of the societies responsibility and foster unwanted children, maybe just maybe, they would not be against abortion after all. You want to take way someone’s decision but dont want to take responsibility for that unwanted child. We have so many unwanted children struggling, growing up without family and home and you want to have more of those kids that are born unwanted to suffer without taking any responsibility. :(
I agree that women should be able to abort a child but what about the father not 1 person talked about the fathers rights what if the bloke doesn't want to abort or if he does want her to abort and she says no where does that leave him
WHO CARES NOW
Sure he can carry the pregnancy to term himself
Hopefully we can repeal the 8th amendment by tomorrow, Thank you for those who vote YES.26/05/2018
Never
Ask that from Magdalen Landry nuns, priests their bosses Bishop and cardinal. Savage actions they have inflec on those woman salves and their babies. God loves blood.
@@PhilShnider Conflating multiple unrelated issues here
@@Allthewayhome781all very much interconnected. Women as second class citizens
@@katenoke1571 whether women are second class citizens or not, is an irrelevant point when we are talking about is it okay to kill another human being
No one has the right to take another's life.
But they do have the right to deny the use of their organs by someone else 😉
its repealed wooooo
A mother in laws dream come true?
Your have to be born first to have human rights. No birthday no rights period.
(British here) I cannot believe Irish people are suffering like this. Woman should have equal rights to men, free to control their own bodies!
Women get far more support from the state the men. The family courts always side with women. No one cares for the rights of the father. Pay up and shut up.
Men have always been more disposable than women. Its always young men sent to fight someone else's war. And no one really cares.
TheCausation A woman should have the decision of what happens to their body. Not you.
correct, it’s not your body but it’s in your body and effects your body. Therefore you should be able to choose.
erzan Women can do what they like but I as a taxpayer withdraw my consent to fund unhealthy lifestyles through my taxes
Or simply put, everyone is aloud to be irresponsable with their bodies. Got it.
It's easier for a mother/father to conceive a child than it is for a child to have a mother/father. Human irresponsibility is rife and not a word about it, as long as we all have the right to get rid of the consequences of our own irresponsibility which unfortunately in this case is the taking of life with equal value to our own. The ace up the pro choice sleeve is the 14 year old child that has just been raped, a truly miniscule percentage of overall abortions and those cases many of us are open to the idea if indeed it is necessary. Yea it all boils down to a refusal to insist on responsible behaviour or deal with the consequences, and condoms available in every petrol station. The partying on the streets of Dublin following the result of the referendum was surely some spectacle, pathetic!
it a church of course it is lol
It's Her Body If She Bin Raped or Her or The bays Going to Die are the Only 3 Times I think That's It I had a Miss Carried And I would Have Loved a Baby
Victoria Matlock good for you. But it's not your choice.
How many genius kids get killed every year by there mammy s ,,, apart from the poor sick kids that won't live,,, but the rest that just do it ,,,😥😥😥😥😣😣😣😣 nasty I think it is a sin ,,,its an opinion, skum that rape ,,,,,,, kids need a voice people blame money and wealth for doing it what about love 😥😥
t amazws me that the yes side begin with a what is actually a skewed pro-life argument?
Because abortion is so impossible to defend.
Well it obviously isn't. We voted yes.
Mkay, so if everyone is *equal*, by right of bodily autonomy, a woman can choose to abort any time she wants. Grown adults aren't forced to give up organs for their child if it would save their life, so they're not forced to incubate a fetus either.
Yes vote won, so thankfully this will now be actual equality.
Improve the living standards of the impoverished and guarantee high quality public health and sexual health education for every student and you will see a dramatic drop in non-emergency (or rape/incest based) abortions. Nonetheless, the balance of rights needs to be on the side of ALL women.
Not the women in the womb though? Ireland has some of the best living standards and some of the best maternal healthcare in the world.
Josh I think the idea here is that killing a baby before he has had a chance to see the light of day is wrong regardless of any other situation the mother might be in. What you do think about that?
Pro life!!