Too Much STAINLESS STEEL? - Frets, Strings, and the even the Guitar Pick!
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Stainless steel frets are all the rage... like on my beautiful Vola Japanese made guitar! But some people say stainless steel frets have a particular sound... and it's a sound that not everyone likes... what does it sound like if we add stainless steel strings.... and even a stainless steel guitar pick? Too much? Or does it just get better? Today on the Guitar MAX channel, we're going to find out!
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I've only heard a difference with the pick...stainless steel picks are definitely not for shredders and clean tone
Back in the 80s Warren Demartini and Robbin Crosby of Ratt used stainless picks. And was a big part of their sound. I also remember hearing that the producer of the band Warrant liked the ratt sound so much that he made the guys from warrant use them on the album they where working on. I personally like the sound of Dunlop nylon picks but each to their own.
When I started playing guitar in the late 80's, I used the typical shape guitar picks, much like most probably do. After playing for a couple of years, I discovered and tried Dunlop (jazz style) picks. I distinctly remember an immediate sense of the shape of the jazz pic, somehow making playing and/or learning to play, feel way more "fluid," and all around easier to play more accurately. After all these years, I still prefer them. Dunlop has a newer version of them. They're 1.00 mm thick and the edge of the pick is tapered to a sharp edge around the entirety of the pic. They're even better, imo. The edge does get kinda chewed up relatively quickly, but a quick swipe of the edge with some 600 grit sandpaper will extend the life of the pick for a very long time if you use it each time you start to notice rough edges.
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I didn’t notice any difference with the strings, but the stainless steel pick was noticeable.
The pick makes the biggest difference. In general harder and stiffer picks = brighter sound and sharper more clicky attack. Thick picks with heavily rounded edges add a flanger-esque warble Due to how the string rolls off the rounded edge. You get this with stone picks (like agate picks). In general i prefer harder picks, like ultem or polycarbonate for warmer guitars, and Nylon picks for brighter (particularly single coil) guitars.
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what , no stainless steel nut?
Lol.. great question!
Only steel balls
Without an identical guitar with regular nickel steel frets and strings to start with as a control, I think it’s flawed in that respect.
There were some percussive pings here and there but that could easily be from the new strings not being properly stretched and broke in.
The stainless steel pick was a definite noticeable difference
@@GAdamBarrett I am not someone who feels any need for SS frets but on a new guitar like the Vola it would be a welcome feature. Feels like any real variation in tone would not be anything someone could not dial in out of the mix pretty easily.
@@I.am_Groot agreed. I play on both. Never really gave it much thought. Each instrument has its own vibe. Its own soul, if you will. Any variation I’ve experienced is usually negligible as the thrill of playing over shadows the other subtle nuances.
I couldn't hear a difference with the strings. I could hear a difference with the pick, though.
Have you ever heard of Hysteria guitars? The body is made out of....stainless steel.
I think it was best in the ss frets only. Didn't sound as good with each addition. The pick was a major difference. The strings was minor, and not sure I would notice in a mix. I could see all the sounds being usable.
One thing to mention is people with a nickle allergy can play guitar now with stainless options..
The stainless steel big chief
I've tried those picks they have a great crunch but they must eat through strings
Now you need stainless saddles, nut and tuners just to be safe.
The Riddle of Steel.
The true strength of steel is in the hand that wields it ...🎸
Great post, GM. I'm a hobbyist guitarist. No 4 hour practice days for me anymore. I did that with violin! The only thing I wear out, brother is this old body of mine.
As to tone differences, the nickel has a cleaner sawtooth, less spike in the attack and much richer freq.res. on the high gain. But in the clean, the steel is sweet on the ear while the nickel was not pleasant. Fatigue set in quick, man! The steel pick is good if you need to cut through the mix a little more.
I tried getting along with the steel-wrapped strings 40 years ago, and simply couldn't. Stainless steel frets is whole other deal. Love 'em.
MEGA!! STAIN ON STAIN!!!!
No on steel pick
Slightly off topic but that Vola would be so much nicer without the black headstock
Steve Albini of Big Black makes his picks from copper
BECAUSE THEY WERE SQUIRRELS!!!
yet steel panther does not use stainless steel strings or stainless steel picks because they prefer the stains.
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I had a stainless steel refrigerator that got stained shit don't even makes sense
that guitar is one of the brightest guitars i have heard. looks great though.
Now add stainless steel fingertips!
If ONLY ONCE
Play a Stainless Steel Slide TOO
I think the stainless steel pick just won't have the flexibility I want in a pick, and it would likely chew through my strings quite quickly. As an at home player, no need for stainless steel frets or strings, really.
Stainless steel to make heavy metal? Very interesting!
try a flattened copper penny. kinda unique.
Max, you hair looks better like this instead of the hair Dryer thingy
Stainless because I live in a monsoon hot wet summer... Or a cave...
But stainless for a tempered climate are for people that have stainfull brain😅
The strings sounded slighty brighter to me. I use titanium strings myself with alot of titanium parts with some very hot pickups.
Very interesting comparison.
If you want a more percussive sound metal on metal is the way to go. It's almost like the clapper in a bell. There is no warm sound going this way. As far as wear, whichever is harder wins that battle. Most of the stainless steel used for guitar frets is made from a grade of stainless that is 300 on the Vickers scale or 30B on the Rockwell scale. Strings however are typically made from a grade of stainless steel that is roughly 2 1/2 times harder than the stainless-steel frets. This is done to maintain a relatively consistent tensile strength between stainless and ferrous steel strings.
Also, stainless is not magnetic so that adds another factor into the sound as they are not affected by the magnets in the pick-ups.
"Too Much STAINLESS STEEL?" C'mon; Max,
How can there be too much high-grade metal used on a Metal Shred Guitar?
It's not possible.
That's like saying, Is my amp too loud? LOL.
"...but what about the nut? What if we- oh... well, it's a bone nut." 🤷
The only difference between regular grade steel and stainless is that stainless has higher chromium content.
As to the sound difference that Max is discussing, to me, in over 48 years of playing so many different guitars, so many different strings, stainless steel frets do indeed have that "tink tink" sound, and it's annoying to me. There is no balance of tone from bass to treble, for one thing.
Most importantly, while stainless frets can take a beating and last longer, most guitarists are not going to put in years of gigging and recording to warrant changing over to them, even if they are pros who have been at the game for a long time. And when it comes right down to it, most guitarists are not pros, they play for personal enjoyment, and doing some "weekend warrior" every so often. Those are the people who support the musical instrument industry, not pros.
The big question is how it FEELS the stainless steal strings vs the nickel/regular strings? are stiffer? how is bending with them?
I'd like to know if the stainless strings keep there chimey sound longer or do they get dead sounding about the same time as the regular strings.
Too much metal. That's why you wear that Ozzy t-shirt, ha, ha, ha.
The stainless steel puck was very jarring on the clean tone.
Have you ever tried aluminum strings?
I gave my stainless steel pick to George Lynch when we were in line to get into the Badlands gig at Hollywood Palace in 1989
Because I watch videos like yours, I have a hughes & kettner 15 dfx plugged to my computer, (on the clean channel ofcourse). For movies that's not great ,but it works for guitar
videos. I heard every difference clearly. Allthough the stainless steel strings sounded much better with the stainles steel pick, I think the regular strings had a warmer and
more natural tone to them. But I can imagine that some hard rock players might prefer the more crispy sound of the stainless steel strings. Well, we have the choice,
and that's a good thing! Thanks for the video, I didn't even know these strings existed.
I've been a D'Addario guy for decades. I never tried their stainless-steel strings, but I have been using NYXLs for many years now. They last forever, never break, and stay new and "zingy" sounding for a long time. I have a stainless steel pick I made back around 1980 or so. Ita about .065" thick. I used it for a long time, but I found it rough on the strings and body and pickguard. More importantly, I was worried about becoming too dependent on it and not being able to replace it. I liked the weight and stiffness, but ended up just using regular picks I could always buy replacements for. For the past 6 years my go-to is Chicken Picks. They also last forever, even under extreme string scraping abuse. I would be curious to know here your stainless steel picks came from.
I love the stainless steel frets on my Vola OZ 24 RV SRM.
Metal picks effect the sound. I use to flatten Copper Cents and Nickle Nickles on a train track then make picks w a vice , a Fender pick , and a file. They sounded different, w the nickle sounding better. I want to try a silver dime, but the train is gone.
IMO I thought the D'Addario strings sounded warmer I also think the SS pick made a little difference. I have tried SS and other metal picks I am not a fan myself but I play with a very thin Dunlop pick. I really like their shark fin picks the most, I use D'Addario 9s XL nickle strings. Over the 50+ years I have been playing I have tried most big name brands and IMO the D'Addarios for me are the best. I could easily change to SS frets when one of my guitars needs new frets they are not crazy expensive but for now it will be nickle silver because I have about a pound of them I got from a guy who used to fix and build guitars who just stopped.
Stainless Steel Amp!?!
Well, I listened very carefully and there is no difference in the sound of the strings. But the stainless steel pick makes a big difference that I don't like, it doesn't matter if it is stainless, it is because it is a metal pick. I ground down a half dollar one time and it did the same thing. It was great on pick scrapes, sparks would fly. lol... Not really.
Stainless steel strings significantly improved the tone of my Fender Squire. And I never thought to use stainless steel strings, except that was a tone tip in the original 1980's Metal Method lesson, by Doug Marks. Can't argue with that!
I heard a small difference between string sets, but only that the stainless strings were noisier, about the same difference as the 2 picks. Nit objectionable.
Do you have any guitars with flat wound strings? Love to hear your take in those
Strike, while the iron is hot!
Steel is strongest, so say we all!
tink, tink, tink
Steel picks make my ears bleed
Wow, the stainless strings mellowed out some of the stainless frets draw backs. I'll have to try em. Stainless steel frets do sound sharper. Too sharp for me in some cases. I had a Warmouth Roast Maple one piece neck on a Baja Tele w stainless. Way too much pick and fret click clack, tho great sustain and tone after the noisey attack. I moved the neck to a Nashville Tele Pine body w a great sound, but w enough Pineiness to have slightly muddy highs that matched the stainless really well. My newest neck is w normal frets. For me Stainless need to be matched to the guitar sound, to liven up a duller sounding guitar. For a good sustaining, good sounding guitar , its way too much fret sound overwhelming the guitar sound
The stainless are much more Doom, the interference doubles ang have some kind of - scratch and + attack, so stainless is not bad a all.^^
AWESOME VIDEO MAX!!!
The real question is going to be if the stainless strings and stainless frets wear out quickly. From a scientific standpoint stainless friction against stainless causes galling. This is why you don't use stainless bolts with stainless nuts without some kind of lubricant other wise there is a high possibility they will lock together due to friction and the affect of galling.
I don't think there is enough force/friction produced to cause galling.
Well , one thing I wonder , true solid stainless steel is not magnetic , and to get the magnetic field around a coil to work , it has to have an attraction to the strings correct? So how does a non magnetic string even work with a magnetic coil? I would think it would be impossible to disturb the field around the coil? Now are these true stainless steel , or is it just stainless steel coated I would assume they have a nickel core?
Some ss are magnetic, for example martensitic stainless steel.
you are correct, stainless steel strings are not 100% stainless steel. all strings are a composite of metals. stainless steel strings just have a high percentage and much less nickel. any pickup will change the tone because of the difference in magnetic field, I assume that humbuckers will have less of a tonal change because they are less sensitive and have more compression sound.
There are many different stainless alloys. If it contains iron, cobalt or nickel it is magnetically active.