How to Zero your Optics on Airsoft Guns WITHOUT Firing a Shot
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Zeroing an optic on an Airsoft gun is always difficult unless you have some sort of shooting range with no wind influence. At least that was the case until now, because we've developed a new method which allows you to do it just at home.
0:00 Video purpose
0:34 Support us & website
1:00 Myths & facts
3:16 New method
3:42 Requirements
3:59 Steps
10:38 Offset calculation
12:03 Zero elevation
13:30 Zero windage
14:27 Zero BUIS
14:57 Proof
16:37 Tests
19:02 Results
20:26 Conclusion
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This new zeroing method requires a laser bore sighter and some other tools. And with the help of a few measurements and some math (don't worry, it's not that hard) we'll teach you how to set your red dot sight, holographic sight, acog, scope, etc to your exact chosen zeroing distance.
After the guide, we'll also proof that it works by doing some accuracy tests at a 50 m shooting range with different guns and optics set for different zeroing distances.
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Nice video! Really helped me out as my garden is tiny and there are no local fields
Thanks for watching! We noticed a lot of people had the same problem as you just mentioned, which is why we decided to do something about it! 🤘| Instinct out
Very Nice video guys, more and more your scientific knowledge is becoming a real asset of your platform 👍🏻 WoW
Great advice! I have been shooting firearms recreationaly for a couple of decades and just recently decided to get into airsoft. I already had a lazer bore sighter and have used it for everything from small-caliber plinkers to scoped, long range precision rifles. Its silly that people will drop whole paychecks on this hobby/sport, but then balk at the idea of spending 20 to 30 dollars on a tool that will save you time. Plus, you may be surprised how easy it can be to make friends when you're the one with such a handy bit of kit.
So in a nutshell accuracy is basically whether or not I can hit my target, and precision is the grouping spread or how well my target gets hit 😅
how to zero your gun at home without firing it, youre gonna need this specialized tool that you 99% wont have and will need to buy
Yeah, it is true. But for people living in the city who don't have the range this is the only way to do it right. I Instinct
Which is why you should buy it. It only costs $15 from china, get a green laser version rather than a red laser one.
cheaper than buying 2 acres of land
You guys are doing a great job! My work efficiency suffers, but hey, it's airsoft :D
btw. when outside the studio, you would make a great use of even a simple microphone, quality of those parts of videos would sky rocket!
Cheers and keep at it!
Thanks for the compliment. Regarding the microphone, we're currently already using a camera mounted Rode microphone with deadcat to provide better sound quality than usual. It has its weak point and we've looked into other better ones as well, but also we need to keep an eye on our budget to get all our work done. | Viper out
Hahaha yea I know what you mean about my work ethic going down
Will be taking my gear to the field this weekend. Got the Wind and Height to just about the correct number. Will need to adjust the Hop up, and will see.
Extremely helpful. Thanks
You're welcome, thanks for watching! |Instinct out
I've been waiting for this vid
Hope we didn't make you wait too long! Thanks for watching! 🤘| Instinct out
Have loved this video, very useful. Thank you vm!!
Glad it was helpful! I Viper
Very informative, thank you
Glad it was helpful! I Instinct
Thank you for this tutorial will try it this week
You're welcome. Hope it helps you out too.
Nice video man I have a retro rifle and my optic is on my carry handle so the hight over bore is gonna be crazy 😭 I hope this works thanks for the video
You can chose a "constant offset" where your point of aim and point of impact are the same at a chosen distance. It depends on the distances you expect to shoot at and how flat your bbs fly.
this is really awesome...scientifical approach.....
Well, we studied sciences during our school career, so yeah we know our stuff. 😄 I Viper
Impressive. Though I wish I wouldn't need a bore sighter laser, but anyway. Nice job guys!
Thanks, there isn't really a way to do it without as you need a reference if you don't want to shoot. I Instinct
1:17 the beep sound of the letters is a bit too loud
Ok, thanks for your feedback! 👌🏻| Instinct out
I'm on a reconbrothers marathon I've watched about 10 vids already:)
Awesome to read this comment, thanks! 🙏 | Instinct
Nice video, Thank you!
Glad you liked it! Hope it helps you out! I Viper
@@ReconBrothersYes, it helped me a lot, I did what you told and it worked! 🔥
Very very interesting. Can you explain this method (aka the formula)?
That's quite hard to write down and explain through a text, but it's just basics of Trigonometry. 👍 | Instinct out
The problem with using a bore sight, aside from the adapter scratching the shit out of your inner barrel; is that most people have a floating barrel. Putting this in will tilt the barrel down under it's own weight so the further you zero, the further you'll be off.
From our experience and the feedback we get from the people who actually try this. The method is super legit and there are no issues with scratched inner barrels. However it is true that most inner barrels have about 0.5mm space to move up, down, left and right. But you can get the laser in far enough up to the point where the "frame" of the laser is in your outer barrel and thus the inner barrel gets aligned again. I Instinct
@@ReconBrothers Thanks for the reply, I didn't think about the outer barrel acting as a plug.
Thank you so much man
Any time! Let us know how it works out. 🤙 | Viper
@@ReconBrothers
Yes sure this sunday i go play so tomorow i will try to zeroing my scope 🙂🖐 i' gonna let you know .
What kind of optics do you use?
how do you tune the laser?
Great video guys, very helpful as always, question though....is there a calculation for a laser that sits on top of the optic? I have one of these, I can’t really afford to go out and buy a top range barrel laser
Thanks! Regarding your question: What makes this technique work, is the fact that you're adjusting your optic to how your barrel is pointing. If you however would use a laser that is put somewhere else, you would need to know the offset of your laser compared to your barrel. Theoretically it would be possible, we only think it would become very difficult on a practical level. | Viper out
might have to work a little more on the adjustments. while consistent, most of your shots were to the left. the goal is to shoot center, with a properly tuned gun that should be possible. unless you guys went specifically for looks and not performance. could be completely wrong but that's my observation.
Hi, that is indeed correct. The reason we have the deviation is because we adjusted the windage on a short distance using the laser and eyesight. This video was made to show that you can zero your optic for a given distance using a laser without shooting. Obviously the windage is correctly zeroed as well when we actually use the guns. I Instinct
Correct me but shouldn't the Center of your optics be at the 2m line and not the bore?
Hi Robert, no it is taken into count. We've also tested it with various guns and received feedback from viewers that this really works well for them too. So it should be correct. But great you are skeptical. ;) I Instinct
Bore sights work on real guns not airsoft. Tried this on a Glock GBB pistol and TM AEG and the bbs were not going to where the dot zeroed in on the laser. Zeroing from shooting is the best and preferred method. You can zero in at the airsoft field so its not a big deal if you cant do it at home. In the US theres usually a gun range nearby you can use anyway...
The smallest adapter is .22 so about 5,6mm. Is there any possibility it will scratch or damage the barrel?
We have been using this method for a few years now. Not a single scratch yet, so I wouldn't worry about it. | Viper
Amazing tutorial! If i have a Acog replica with a red dot mounted ontop should i sight them both the same or the red dot for a shorter distance? This is such an underrated channel. Thanks!
Thanks!
If you play a lot in environments that have a CQB area as well you can definitely try to adjust it to 15 meters for example. This way you can still use it for longer distances but you'll have to get used to aim lower. My personal experience with an ACOG are not so good for everything below 50 meters as experience a disorientation because of the big 4x zoom. If this is also the case for you I would recommend to adjust your dot on 25 to 30 meters. | Instinct out
Dag vraagje welke update heb je aan je L96 gedaan of is hij nog stock Grts
Hey Wilfried, de L96 is niet stock. Er zitten vele afterparts in van PDI zoals de barrel, piston, trigger, spring en ook de hop-up diende varanderd te worden, want deze kon geen zware BBs (0.40g of hoger) hop geven. ✌ | Viper out
You have a Link for the Laser pls?
We got ours from a hunting shop that doesn't exist anymore, but ours is called the "Golden Future Laser Bore Sight Collimator". ✌️ | Viper out
Would you run a 20m zero on a kwa ronin 47? Sorry but new to sport.
Ty
If your gun has no issue when it comes to precision on 20m you can indeed zero it on 20m if that is a good distance based on your usage. We mainly put our zero on 30m but we do a lot of outdoor activities. I Instinct
Will this technique work with lasers with the left or right offset as well? Things like DBAL's and PEQ15's?
We don't have a DBAL or PEQ, but theoretically you:
- Can zero your optic, PEQ or DBAL to a laser in the barrel, though a minor adjustment would be needed for the offset of your DBAL or PEQ.
- Can zero either your optic to your DBAL/PEQ or otherwise, only one of them would have to be zeroed already. For example, you can zero your DBAL/PEQ to your zeroed optic.
Good question tho, if we could get our hands on one someday we might test that out. But for now DBALs/PEQs are illegal where we live. 😅😜 | Viper out
Yes. I use them to check zero on my IR lasers. If your IR laser is not slaved, what you have to do is shine the laser on target. turn it off, and without moving check under NVD and adjust. Great way to get a perfect constant offset zero.
I like your thinking and will try it too. But i have some concerns, i highly doubt they are zeroed from the factory. Also if the boresight is zeroed it should not mind in wich direction they are in the bore. You have to zero the bore sight by turning it around in the barrel and the dot should allways be on the same plays.
I would update your video to reflect this. Because i think now you are basically zeroeingyour optic on a non zeroed boresight:s
It may depend on the brand you're getting the sighter from, but that's why we recommend to get a decent one (ours is definitely zeroed from the factory). BTW, I've seen people using them in real barrels, I know they turn them around but in the end, they still need to turn it back until the battery cap is on top. Also our testing afterwards near the end of the video provides the proof of our method. | Viper out
I’m done with mine my dot is at the lowest setting and its still above where I can comfortably see it
What optic are you using?
I dont understand how you can zero a scope or dot sight to airsoft range. Mine cant zero nearly that close on my elevation plane. Is it just me???
What optic(s) do you use, what's the brand? I Viper
Spooky science
Is it possible to do it without the sighter? Are there any alternatives?
No, you at least need a reference from the barrel or the projectiles. This is the only alternative we could think of besides going to a range/field and taking a couple of shots at a chart. I Viper
I don't understand "h" should I messure the length of the barrel?
In case the center of your optic is right above the beginning of your barrel, that is indeed the full length of your barrel.
However some people like the optic to be closer or further away so the most correct answer is:
"The horizontal distance going from the tip of your inner barrel to the point where the center of your optic meets the inner barrel or the extension of the inner barrel."
Where do you get your optics?
We don't have a decent supplier yet. We waited between 6 months and a year to receive ours. Problem is Aimpoint doesn't want more dealers and the current ones don't seem to take care of the consumer market in Europe. I Instinct
Wish I had good airsoft around me
This may work for cqb, but since when you apply hop up the bbs curve up instead of going straight bore sighting is ineffective
Not true, the overall arche a BB takes does not differ that much from a straight path unless you overhop it. If you hop it properly (= nice and straight until a little upwards curve in the end) your optic will be zeroed extremely well with this method. For us it has proven itself over and over again in the field, whereas we have taken opponents out with a single shot at distances of 25+ meters. We've done it with all our rifles and the ones from our buddies and everyone agrees they couldn't have done it better otherwise.
@@ReconBrothers it depends on your hop up bucking, silverback airsoft buckings shoot very flat, maple leaf autobots have a very pronounced curve but amazing effective range, my point being it won't work for everyone
@@magicshrooms666 Might be, we're not that well aware of all those upgraded buckings, etc. 🤷♂️
@@ReconBrothers then it may not be the wisest decision to speak with absolute impunity on the subject
@@magicshrooms666 True, but this video is from years ago and for us it still works (and others who have applied it). But commenting it would only work for CQB is not wise either especially if you haven't tested it yourself. As said in the beginning of the video, this is the best solution thus far for if you do not have the possibility to actually zero your gun by shooting with it.
Does the zero change if you change the hopup?
We always set the hop-up to make the path of the bb as straight as possible. If you overhop the bb this technique will not be accurate enough. | Instinct
ik it sounds dumb but why not zero directly on the point where the laser is on the wall?
Because then you will have zeroed your optic at 1 or 2 meters. I don't even think it is possible getting an optic that far off. Anyway, in practice that means your BB will hit where you aim at that 1 or 2 meters. If you would need to hit someone at 20 or 30 meters away, you would need to aim way above your reticle. This is not practical, zeroing is something you need to do at your average engagement distances and if you come into situations that are different than this, you have to take that into count when shooting.
Example: Your optic is zeroed at 30 m (=average outdoor Airsoft engagement distance), once you go indoor to CQB this will be 5 to 10 m. This means that you will have to aim below your reticle in order to hit where you want to hit your target (here you can aim at someone's chest but actually hit them in the throat/face from that close). Knowing how much you need to diverge from your zero at different distances is the underlying skill you need to master.
The calculation of the offset with the formula we made, allows you to zero your optic at your given average distance. I Viper
@@ReconBrothers i feel dumb but i so thought that when aiming, you should hit where the dot is zeroed in but now this has me questioning it, thank you for explaining.
@@ReconBrothers just incase you assumed i was saying to have the barrel at the wall i meant, at 30 meters, having the dot zeroed in on the point from that distance but i assume thats what you meant when you were talking about close distances
Does this work for handguns too?
Maybe, but I don't see much use of it with an airsoft pistol. The ranges these reach are usually not that great anyway.
Koymuşlar içine ucuz 0.20 gramlık BB leri, ateş etmeden tüfek sıfırlayacaklarmış HAHA, o işler öyle olmuyor gidip 25 metreye hedef kağıdı koyup en az 20-30 atış yapacaksınız sonra dürbünü atış yaptığınız en orta noktaya sabit tutarak hedef kağıdında açtığınız deliklere doğru kıl çaprazını döndüreceksiniz hem yatay hem dikey olarak, bunları ayrı ayrı yapmayın dikey ve yatay aynı anda ayarlanmalı. En önemlisi bunu alanda kısa sürede yapabilmek mermi yakmadanda olmaz o iş öyle lazerle falan
airsoft suppressor flash hider? :D
what about it? Remove it and you have access to the barrel. I Viper
ive found that zeroing is pretty much useless because of how inaacurate BBs are especially in the wind. YOu prety much aim by watching teh BB trajectory
ik heb juist 1600euro op airsoft gezet en nu zitten we met dit corona "lockdown" kan nergens spelen xD, mijn timing is verschrikkelijk
Dat is inderdaad niet echt ideaal, hopelijk is het allemaal snel voorbij en kunnen we ons weer actief bezig houden! I Instinct
Does this work real ammunition?
At first thoughts I don't think so, since a bullet has a yaw angle when leaving the barrel. This angle is basically zero with a BB and allowed us to do this with optics on Airsoft guns. To be certain we should do some testing, but in our country it's not that easy to do with firearms. I Viper
@@ReconBrothers
Ok,I understand
This whole process of this is kind of irrelevant. You cannot Zero your gun without firing several bb's, You can align your sight with your barrel which is what that tool does, but it cannot do anymore than that. To align your sights properly you would have to be indoors, fire some bb's down range and adjust your hop-up first then once your hop-up is done you can adjust your sight to the point of drop from the BB. BB's do not come out perfectly straight therefore making the laser obsolete. Do it properly, shoot some bb's and adjust.
Hi, the fact that you write that shows you did not see the results. Yes bbs their path are not perfectly straight, but the end result shows that it works. We've tried it with multiple guns at different ranges and every time it works well.
It is a proper way to zero your optics and it allows people who live in a city to do it when they have time instead of quickly trying to make adjustments before the game, with all the environmental factors causing errors. I Instinct
@@ReconBrothers You've kind of countered your own argument. You Agree with me that bb's do not come out straight. The device allows you to align your scope with the barrel centre at what ever range you make the laser hit at. A properly calibrated and centred laser runs true (Providing you've taken the time to align it in the barrel), so no deviation what so ever. However a bb will come out with some deviation depending on many factors, So aligning your scope to the drop of your bb rather than the centre of your barrel, will then only require you to adjust for wind draw and deviation in the field. Whereas with the laser you would then need to adjust for your bb drop, spin all over again because you only centred your scope to barrel & not tested how the bb's come out of your rif.
@@OfficerGrace they do say to adjust the hop so the BB trajectory is flat. So it will be flying (roughly) in line with the barrel and therefore where the laser was pointed. Even with your method, BBs vary slightly with every shot and little gusts of wind etc
it's effective but quit complicated.. nice work tho
Can you make this video 3 hours please?
Why? 🙃 I Viper
Mate i gotta do maths for a sport like this 😭 i’ll just get an asian to do this
I shut it because you put on goggles, sorry looks like you were planning on shooting when you said without firing
Yeah to prove it to you guys we have to shoot. But the technique doesn't require you to shoot. 😉 | Instinct
You can sight in your scope with 1 shot without laser. Why would I need to buy a laser to save 1 shot?
You clearly have never zeroed an optic on an Airsoft gun properly before. It takes way more shots to do it good. And it requires at least about 50 m of space without any outdoor influences like terrain elevation and wind. If you want to rely on each shot you take, you want to have a good zeroed optic and our method has already proven to do this. I Viper
@@ReconBrothers you could google before saying something so dumb. Don't say it's impossible before checking it out really.
How would you zero your scope without a laser with one pellet ?
@@Gravehoarder just shoot on a paper once then adjust the reticle to the hole on the paper. Easy works for me if not for u then maybe your arms dont grow from your shoulders as we say in my country
747bender how do you stabilise your Airsoft rifle ? Balance it ? Are you just supposing to shoot and adjust ?
bro get to the point
The point is: if you don't follow the procedure properly or don't understand the math, you can't have any proper zeroing done.
@@ReconBrothers yeah
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