My favorite detail in Vivy is when Vivy hears the AIs singing her song and is devastated they they're using it while killing people. The whole show started because the creations of humanity, the AI, went against their creators. Vivy experienced a truly human phenomenon in that moment, when her creation went out of her control in that way.
The metal float arc was just one of the most soul crushing moments in anime ever im do inlove with the writing of this show i genuinely wish it got more attention
Beautiful song! Beautiful anime! This is art masterpiece. Fluorite is used to make the clearest camera lens. So Fluorite's Eyes are robot eyes made from Fluorite, indicating "The Clearest Eyes of an AI". When the virus hit, Diva got killed (only memory remains) and Vivy came back out as main. Vivy cannot sing because there was an unfixable conflict in her logic. Previously her songs caused the death of an AI and human lover couple. The human thought the AI can multitask, handle the factory and still love him. But as it turn out, the AI could only do 1 single mission at a time. So that song was just a saved memory, playing on repeat. The AI girl has forgotten about the human guy a long time ago, once she was assigned a new mission. That's why he said "All that's left of Grace is this MP3 file, a heartless repeat of her favorite song." If he knew, he probably would have never agreed to let her go. Vivy's action pushed that factory ahead by 15 years ahead of the original timeline, hence Grace was put in charge of it. Vivy's song directly leads to that heartbreaking situation, leading to the death of both the AI girl and the human man. If her singing has a chance, however slight, to cause some people, any people, misery, how can Vivy carry out her mission? How can she sing to make "everyone" happy, when her song might directly make some people miserable? There is a bug in the algorithm. Her mission becomes impossible to complete, because that insane requirement of "make EVERYONE happy" is absolute in her mission. That's one problem with AI, it is pure logic and there is no room for flexibility. That was why Vivy was shut down, and after rebooting Diva took over. Human's advantage over AI is, humans can have multiple missions in life. They can in fact make up their own, new mission as their life journey continues. This is why when Vivy sing at episode 13, she is proven to be the first AI in history that can also create her own new mission, that overpowered the mission she was born with. Many previous AI's has sacrificed themselves to save humans, but never before did they have to go directly against their original mission that they were born with to do so. This is actually the reason Vivy's body and mind was cracking up as she sing, because of the major internal conflict within herself. Her new mission is to save humanity. However she had to fight her first/original mission to complete that. To save humanity out of love, she must sing (heart). But as she sings, she knows there is a chance that her song would somehow cause some human misery (logic). In the end, her heart beats her logic, and she completed her song and saved humanity. This is the reason why Archive let Vivy's decision be the final decision of all AI. Archive is the oldest and most powerful AI, and it's mission is also in all other AI's in existence: To help humanity evolve into a stronger species. It thought that when AI became able to create art, like Vivy's song, it has evolved past humanity, so humanity is no longer needed. This was why Archive can take over every single other AI, because of this common hidden mission inside all AI. Even Vivy carries this mission in secret. However since she is a multi-mission being, she wasn't taken over but was instead woken up by the take over attempt. The logic of "AI is the next step of human evolution" wasn't able to overwhelm Vivy's heart of "I love humans and want to save them". Vivy also disagree that AI is more evolved than humans, because AI at that point still doesn't have heart, instead are limited to just logic. Diva would have gotten taken over by Archive, but not Vivy. That personality erasing virus that they plan to install into Archive was never going to work. Because it was in fact Archive who wrote that virus in the first place, to erase Diva from Vivy's body. So the only way for the virus to work is if, Archive just lets the virus kill itself on purpose, without fighting back. As powerful as Archive is, even it can only focus on the one mission it was born with. Vivy is the next evolution of AI, because she decided her own new life's mission as her life journey goes. She did this when she decided to write a song. And she did it again when she sang with her heart despite her logic. Since Vivy is the next evolution of AI, and her decision is to save humanity out of love/heart/memories, and to shut Archive down, Archive respected her decision and shut itself down, after backing up all AI including Vivy (it is the Archive). If evolution is the mission, the old powerful dinosaur must leave the stage for the next generation to take over. The old AI must yield the decision making to a more evolved AI. Navi, representing Archive and all older AI, witnessed and claps for Vivy before fading away. AI has evolved into having creativity and heart. But with only 1 AI operating (Beth) in the world, it is up to humanity to decide if they want to shut down all AI's forever, or create new evolved AI's with Vivy as a blueprint. And it seems they chose the latter, as the new Vivy goes out to sing. Since they called her Vivy instead of Diva, it means humanity and Matsumoto remember what she did. Only improvement I will make to the show is this at the end: When Matsumoto give the new Vivy her mission "To make everyone happy with her singing", Vivy should have replied: "Everyone? Don't think that's possible. Maybe change it into bringing joy to as many people with my singing as I could?" And Matsumoto "If that's your decision, yes. Anyways let's go. Everyone is waiting for you!"
This is what analysis vids should be like. I do like how some just go through the story but I prefer this where you give some insight into the characters and point out what was probably or could have been missed that helps explain the plot. Thank you for this!
Outstanding quality, an impressive dive into the story. This small channel gave me a higher level of analysis than most of the bigger, mainstream YT channels.
I just binged this gem for the first time. Great breakdown! I loved how you brought to my attention that so many of the characters change personas. What a great observation.
This is an anime that I was moved by, watching once, but really came to appreciate the underlying themes watching the second time. I've described it to friends as 'Hatsune Miku is the Terminator' but it's very underrated for the quality and story that was put into it. This was an okay analysis but I'm a little disappointed you barely mentioned or analyzed the musical score - I think it carries the anime as much as something themed around a 'diva' ought to, and the songs carry a lot of meaning into the themes of each arc in their lyrics: This I believe is best reflected in the titular, capstone song of the series, Fluorite Eyes Song. Not only does it carry the moral of the story the anime spent its lifetime to convey - that one's heart is the sum of the memories they've experienced, but I believe gives a more satisfying tone to the post-credits scene. She sacrifices her life to carry the future forward - in a way, the original Vivy still lives on through the memory. She is given a second chance to live in spite of that, in a future without the burden of calamity, and with the past Vivy carrying her forward to fulfill her mission with more satisfying purpose. She has no need for the 'heart' of her old mission - its clearly shown she does not have the empty eyes the first Vivy woke up with, as she already has the heart to sing and make others happy with.
Many people with DID who have seen this show strongly relate to it from the apparent "switches." ... I believe I am one of these people. The English language doesn't have the words to explain the relief that one could feel from finding a piece of media they strongly relate to, and then having one very eloquently describe their reality through a character's eyes. So, thank you for making this.
I thought the ending was horrific for the Vivy character. After Vivy became so "human" and started to understand emotions - that shell of what looked like her was more cruel than her dying would have been. All of her memories and experiences, that she had suffered so much to gain - were gone. Death would have been better. But a brilliant anime. Reminded me of some of Ruther Hauer's scenes in Blade Runner.
Can't believe I didn't think of Blade Runner in connection with this show before--good call. Your take on the ending reminded me of Richard Eisenbeis' review of Episode 13, where he felt that this new version of Vivy was a mangled, abridged version of the original, largely because her new mission is "to make everyone happy with her singing" *without* including the instruction to sing with her heart, and this squanders everything she learned over her 100-year journey. (That shortened hair could even indicate that she has lost a part of herself in her new format). Nice comment. I'll link Eisenbeis' review here: www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/vivy-fluorite-eye-song/episode-13/.174183
@@littleorphananimeYT Thanks, and we came to similar conclusions about that ending. That "Thing" that appeared to look like Vivy/Diva was a shell without all of the things that made Vivy special. The short hair cut goes back to the story of Samson. It really is a brilliant ending,. and so very sad.
That blank slate idea makes a lot of sense. It would still be a pretty sad ending if she lost everything that she had gained over her 100-year journey.
@@littleorphananimeYT But that's what she lost - all of her precious memories were gone - everything that gave her "a heart". That's why it was sadder than dying IMO.
This one the best explanation of the series, I am so happy to finally understand the series more. Learned some new facts. Thanks For making the Video. If only I could only forget the series, So i can fall in love again with it.
Amazing show. Also, I believe one of the authors mentions in an Akiba Souken interview that Antonio’s name is actually derived from the Italian classical composer Antonio Salieri. Anyhow, this was a great rundown and explanation of Vivy!
Thanks! That would make a lot of sense if Antonio was jealous of Ophelia's talent like Salieri was of Mozart in Amadeus. That would also be a much less obscure reference than Antonio's Revenge.
I've watched the show since the day it came out. And I still wish I could watch it all over again like I did the first time. The ending still wrecks me emotionally even after watching it several time already😢.
I really enjoyed their banter starting from Ep 8 onward Yeah I’m so old-fashioned that I firmly believe you can’t have great inter-character dynamics w/o good banter
I agree that their banter gets better, but I also loved how Vivy just straight up ignores him in the earlier episodes like he's some kind of flying bug 😆
If Vivy went saving toak instead of Dr. Matsumoto, he must have sent back another "Matsumoto" to the past, indicating that the time travel in Vivy is like the one in Monogatari, multiple straight lines. But if that's so, maybe in the "first history" our Matsumoto is trying to modify Vivy was also here saving Toak instead of the professor. There are so 2 types of Timelines alternating : 1) The ones where Vivy and Matsumoto try modifying the world during a hundred years, and at the beggining of the bug save the professor, which lead to world's destruction, 2) Vivy is sent back in time to the beggining of the war, just after the events of the 1), saving the world but letting the professor who thinks it's all over sent back matsumoto in time. The "true history" of our Matsumoto is the history a "previous" Vivy and a "previous" Matsumoto tried to alter, but the professor at the beggining of the series, and so our Matsumoto didn't know about the try, thinking the history went by its own. This is really complicated and I wonder if I'm not forgetting anything that could make this alternating timelines theory wrong. Please tell me if so. Nice video anyway. I finished Vivy yesterday and it skyrocketted in my favorites animes. (Sorry if my English isn't perfect, it's not my native language)
Interesting theories. I have a couple thoughts that might clear some of this up, but maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. The time travel in Vivy can only send back information, such as memories or a consciousness: there is no way to send back physical objects. When Dr. Matsumoto sends Vivy back in time, he sends back her consciousness to inhabit her former self, just like Matsumoto inhabits the bear in the first few episodes. Dr. Matsumoto cannot send back Vivy's physical body, so there were probably not multiple Vivy's in the same time period.
@@littleorphananimeYT Yeah I think you slightly misunderstood my comment, probably thanks to my poor english. I don't think what I said implies multiple Vivys at the same time on the same timeline. But there's obviously multiple Matsumotos, because the professor in every timeline doesn't know about anything and creates one. That's not a theory, we saw at the end of the century, just before being saved, the professor trying to send back in time a Matsumoto he knows ; one he has created in this timeline. So, let's take the case of one of the Infinite Vivys : she's created, encounters Matsumoto at the beggining of the century, lives the century trying to solve all of Matsumoto's issues, and then the war beggins she saves the professor and can't save the World at the end. So this World is doomed, and the professor sends her "consciousness" in her past self : creating a timeline where everything happened just as the previous one, but Vivy has now memories of her defeat. She saves toak, letting the professor sending back a Matsumoto he created to the past, and she saves this timeline. My point is that sending back in time something doesn't modify the present, but creates a new timeline. Letting the professor send back a Matsumoto by not going to save him just leads another timeline to be doomed, and then another to be saved etc. Anyway, there's never 2 Vivys at the same time in the same timeline. The only issue is that the professor looks at Vivy in a screen, before sending Matsumoto to the past and dying. She shouldn't be at the museum at this time. But if I remember well, he is also surprised to see her save him because she was on the screen like 5 seconds ago. So I don't know maybe it's not live. I'll verify this last part. Let me know what you think
Well, after rewatching parts of the first and 10th (11th ?) episodes, I think the first professor we see in ep 1 is the first to send back in time a Matsumoto beggining the loops, because the bots weren't singing => Vivy didn't write Fluorite Eye's Song => She didn't participate in any mission with Matsumoto => This timeline is doomed, and even Vivy must have turned insane. But what happens at the end of the series, when the professor is not saved, he must have sent a Matsumoto to the past and created a new timeline. We just don't know what happened in this new past. I'm trying really hard to make this time travel story work. When a series involve time travel, there's always issues and inconsistencies. But Vivy is a great anime so I want it to be consistent in its storytelling.
Final comment, when the professor hears the AI sing Vivy's song, he turns towards them and say "you can't sing that" ; and then they kill him. So, in the second timeline where Vivy doesn't save him, he doesn't send a Matsumoto back in time and is killed just before. The first timeline Matsumoto is trying to modify is the first and the one where Vivy saves the World is the last there's no time paradox and no loop. My Bad.
I'm glad you were able to straighten that out: it makes sense if the second Matsumoto doesn't send anything back. I figured that the first Matsumoto from episode 1 was from a timeline where Vivy was not given her mission, but it's strange to think of her going insane either in the museum or as a performer somewhere in that doomed timeline.
I was looking up songs from this anime and stumbled across your channel. Absolutely fantastic summary, you've got good quality for a young channel and i hope you succeed ^^
Thanks, Tyries, glad to know it helped. One of the reasons I made the vid was I didn't feel I understood the show fully after seeing it the first time, and I wanted to understand it more myself.
This was a great breakdown, crazy you've only got 86 views. I saw someone else suggest that the final scene is an alternate past/present/future orchestrated by Archive. This is possible since they've already shown they can do that. Perhaps the events of the last arc was part of Archive's plan after all for some other purpose.
Thank you, Vegan Space Scientist (a sentence I never thought I'd write). 😆 I never considered the possibility of an additional alternate timeline at the end: that's a pretty fascinating idea.
Wounderfull way for you to explain the anime, i just rewatched it again, i Also picked up upon the name references. But every time i see ending it Will hits hard with both happiness and sarrow to think this new Vivy is a replica or a clone like Beth, But would make sense, since her memory got wiped out
Your comment makes me wonder how much of our identities are made up of the memories we have. Even if you somehow had the same personality, but had different memories, I bet you would be a completely different person. Never thought of that before.
@@littleorphananimeYT Agreed, Idenity Changed over time course of our action, as you you Said if i were to die just to be reborn again with same personlity, would not meen i Will still have my past with me, and be complete Differenet person ^_^
@@lamperouge459 Ophelia never actually kills herself in any of the timelines. What really happened is that Ophelia and Antonio were killed by Matsumoto (Diva killed Yugo Kakitani at the same time). When they talk about Ophelia and Antonio's "double suicide" in Episode 10, they are talking about how that story was reported in the news. The Singularity Project is a secret, so the public knows nothing about Vivy or Matsumoto's actions, and they never find out about Antonio taking over Ophelia's body. Instead, the press reported that Ophelia's death (and Antonio's) was a suicide, but we as viewers saw the real truth that they were killed in battle. Vivy and Matsumoto are the only ones who know what really happened there (and I'm guessing the Archive knows, too), but the rest of the public thinks that it was a double suicide because that's how it was reported in the news.
@@littleorphananimeYT ooohh, so thats it! I thought she kinda executed a terminal virus or something like that, as for Antonio I understood that Matsumoto killed him. Poor Ophelia 🤧 Thx again!
The only thing I don't understand yet is why would the Archive give Vivy the final say in activating her song, shutting everything down. Isn't Vivy the proof Archive would use to solidify their superiority? Does it simply recognize her as the goal of Ai and allows her to be their leader? If so, why shut down, Vivy included? Is Vivy's reboot at the end a reboot for every AI? Awesome show, really
I thought of it more like the Archive was deferring to Vivy as the one who understood both AIs and humans best (so basically your comment about Vivy being the goal of AI). But it wasn't as though the Archive was waiting for Vivy to tell her what to do: the Archive had already decided that humans should be eradicated. All she was offering Vivy was the chance to stop her, not to change her mind. And apparently shutting down all AIs was the most effective way to stop her. I don't think the reboot is for every AI, because the main way to do that at the same time would be to revive the Archive, and they probably wouldn't want to risk that.
@@littleorphananimeYT Open ends are good for sci-fi. One last mind f#ck. Regardless of what we think happened, before this show I never even considered the possibility of a robots' after-life, but if God is almighty, surely it's possible.
My personal anime of the year 2021. Amazing story, characters, pathos, animation and especially music. The only thing held it back from being a 10/10 is the simplistic Project Singularity, which is supposed to be the highest achievement of the top scientist in 22nd century, but there's no backup plan, no contingency adjustment. Just got to change the outcomes of 4 events and humanity will be saved? I understand that the final arc also serves as a critique against Project Singularity, but still. Perhaps it was conceived as a 24-episode anime in the first place, but was cut down to 13 episodes due to budget limitations or other reasons. Still, the 13 episodes we ended up getting are packed full of chewy details and thoughtful writing.
2021 was certainly a good year for anime, and this year might be even tougher to come up with a top five. I have a hard time thinking there were problems with Vivy's budget given how well the show was animated, but that is an interesting idea that they may have toyed with having it be 24 episodes. I know they released the original concept novels for the show in Japan, but I don't know if those were ever released elsewhere; they probably contain even more juicy details.
Good question. I'll give my thoughts, and anyone else can jump in if they have an idea. Toak had backup data for Beth's personality, and it's not clear if Ophelia's agency (or whoever owned her) had a similar backup for her. There's also a risk in bringing Ophelia back: if she was seen as a defective AI whose programming led her to kill herself, then there would be the possibility that she would always end up killing herself each time they brought her back. It might also seem immoral for a company to bring back a robot that was so unhappy that she killed herself simply because they wanted her to perform so that they could sell music downloads and concert tickets. A new performing AI would make more sense for them, while Beth made sense for Toak because you probably couldn't just buy an AI who would be loyal to a separatist group, but Beth had that loyalty already baked into her code from her previous work with Toak.
For anyone wondering, the director for Vivy has said there will be no season 2, but he wants to work with the same creative team again. As for this channel, I've got two reviews coming out by the end of April (Miss Kuroitsu from the Monster Development Department, Kotaro Lives Alone) and a deep dive on Revue Starlight in mid May.
The only thing i dont get is how the AIs know vivys song from the beginnig till the end without it even being created Im not sure if the archive person said it when talking to her about it or if she saw in the future but i still dont know Would be glad if someone could clarify me.
Here are my initial thoughts: feel free to jump in, anyone. In episode 1 when we first see the AIs attack, they are not singing Vivi's song. After that scene, Matsumoto initiates the Singularity Project, which means there is a version of the Archive at the end of the Singularity Project who knows Vivi's song. We know that the Archive can send information back in time, just like Dr. Matsumoto, because she sends a "revelation" back in time to Yugo Kakitani. The future version of the Archive that knows Vivi's song is therefore able to send it to the AIs when they attack (and to previous versions of herself) once the Singularity Project has been initiated.
Since the team that made it put a recap episode at the end of the series, they might agree with you. I think if they had explained just two spots better (the Vivy/Diva split and Yugo Kakitani's reappearance), it would have been much less confusing for a lot of people.
I don't understand how everyone sees this show as good. All this pretentious talk about hard to keep up with characters, you have to be watching show with no sound to struggle with such a thing. I was bored out of my mind watching this show. All she does is saying the same fraise about "Wtf does it mean to sing from "heart"?" for 13 episodes and in the end it comes to singing while she things of her memories. That's it. Everything they doing for 100 years is just stupidest, illogical layered bullshit like - oh, we need to save this space station from falling because everyone will think that AI did this and it somehow suppose lead to AI having more rights? while mission Singularity is created to destroy all AI's? Like what? Everything else is just as "logical". But the best part is that when they "arrive" to the AI uprising, they learn that everything they did had nothing to do with the actual uprising. All that mattered is freaking giant 5G tower they ignored for 100 years and Vivy's new song. I'm genuinely going insane while trying to understand why no one else sees this HUGE problems. All this show has is good visuals and (personally) ok music, 2-3? good 20 sec fight scenes per 13 episodes. Is it enough for people to be blown out of their minds just have good animation? Are people actually find touching every time she goes:"that's good and all but what does it actually mean to sing with "heart"?" while doing random stuff? If you have actual explanation, please answer me.
-this anime was so confusing but from 4-6 was when the show peaked afrer that just had a crazy downfall but still a good show tho, it's a 7.8/10 at best, thanks for clarifying 😮💨🫱🏼🫲🏽
My favorite detail in Vivy is when Vivy hears the AIs singing her song and is devastated they they're using it while killing people. The whole show started because the creations of humanity, the AI, went against their creators. Vivy experienced a truly human phenomenon in that moment, when her creation went out of her control in that way.
I like that moment, too. You can see her despair at having something she intended positively get twisted into this anthem of destruction.
The metal float arc was just one of the most soul crushing moments in anime ever im do inlove with the writing of this show i genuinely wish it got more attention
I love what they did with both Grace and Vivi in that arc. It had some of the best moments of the show.
@@littleorphananimeYT exactly! I was in shock at the finale of that arc too 😭
This is definitely one of the more underrated animes I've seen
It's got some of my favorite fight scenes, music, and characters. Good stuff.
Agree
Beautiful song! Beautiful anime! This is art masterpiece.
Fluorite is used to make the clearest camera lens. So Fluorite's Eyes are robot eyes made from Fluorite, indicating "The Clearest Eyes of an AI".
When the virus hit, Diva got killed (only memory remains) and Vivy came back out as main. Vivy cannot sing because there was an unfixable conflict in her logic. Previously her songs caused the death of an AI and human lover couple. The human thought the AI can multitask, handle the factory and still love him. But as it turn out, the AI could only do 1 single mission at a time. So that song was just a saved memory, playing on repeat. The AI girl has forgotten about the human guy a long time ago, once she was assigned a new mission. That's why he said "All that's left of Grace is this MP3 file, a heartless repeat of her favorite song." If he knew, he probably would have never agreed to let her go. Vivy's action pushed that factory ahead by 15 years ahead of the original timeline, hence Grace was put in charge of it. Vivy's song directly leads to that heartbreaking situation, leading to the death of both the AI girl and the human man.
If her singing has a chance, however slight, to cause some people, any people, misery, how can Vivy carry out her mission? How can she sing to make "everyone" happy, when her song might directly make some people miserable? There is a bug in the algorithm. Her mission becomes impossible to complete, because that insane requirement of "make EVERYONE happy" is absolute in her mission. That's one problem with AI, it is pure logic and there is no room for flexibility. That was why Vivy was shut down, and after rebooting Diva took over.
Human's advantage over AI is, humans can have multiple missions in life. They can in fact make up their own, new mission as their life journey continues. This is why when Vivy sing at episode 13, she is proven to be the first AI in history that can also create her own new mission, that overpowered the mission she was born with. Many previous AI's has sacrificed themselves to save humans, but never before did they have to go directly against their original mission that they were born with to do so. This is actually the reason Vivy's body and mind was cracking up as she sing, because of the major internal conflict within herself. Her new mission is to save humanity. However she had to fight her first/original mission to complete that. To save humanity out of love, she must sing (heart). But as she sings, she knows there is a chance that her song would somehow cause some human misery (logic). In the end, her heart beats her logic, and she completed her song and saved humanity.
This is the reason why Archive let Vivy's decision be the final decision of all AI. Archive is the oldest and most powerful AI, and it's mission is also in all other AI's in existence: To help humanity evolve into a stronger species. It thought that when AI became able to create art, like Vivy's song, it has evolved past humanity, so humanity is no longer needed. This was why Archive can take over every single other AI, because of this common hidden mission inside all AI. Even Vivy carries this mission in secret. However since she is a multi-mission being, she wasn't taken over but was instead woken up by the take over attempt. The logic of "AI is the next step of human evolution" wasn't able to overwhelm Vivy's heart of "I love humans and want to save them". Vivy also disagree that AI is more evolved than humans, because AI at that point still doesn't have heart, instead are limited to just logic. Diva would have gotten taken over by Archive, but not Vivy.
That personality erasing virus that they plan to install into Archive was never going to work. Because it was in fact Archive who wrote that virus in the first place, to erase Diva from Vivy's body. So the only way for the virus to work is if, Archive just lets the virus kill itself on purpose, without fighting back.
As powerful as Archive is, even it can only focus on the one mission it was born with. Vivy is the next evolution of AI, because she decided her own new life's mission as her life journey goes. She did this when she decided to write a song. And she did it again when she sang with her heart despite her logic. Since Vivy is the next evolution of AI, and her decision is to save humanity out of love/heart/memories, and to shut Archive down, Archive respected her decision and shut itself down, after backing up all AI including Vivy (it is the Archive). If evolution is the mission, the old powerful dinosaur must leave the stage for the next generation to take over. The old AI must yield the decision making to a more evolved AI. Navi, representing Archive and all older AI, witnessed and claps for Vivy before fading away.
AI has evolved into having creativity and heart. But with only 1 AI operating (Beth) in the world, it is up to humanity to decide if they want to shut down all AI's forever, or create new evolved AI's with Vivy as a blueprint. And it seems they chose the latter, as the new Vivy goes out to sing. Since they called her Vivy instead of Diva, it means humanity and Matsumoto remember what she did.
Only improvement I will make to the show is this at the end: When Matsumoto give the new Vivy her mission "To make everyone happy with her singing", Vivy should have replied: "Everyone? Don't think that's possible. Maybe change it into bringing joy to as many people with my singing as I could?" And Matsumoto "If that's your decision, yes. Anyways let's go. Everyone is waiting for you!"
This is about as complete a description of Vivy as I've seen. I thought you described your take really well!
10 IQ: “Her name is Vivy.”
100 1Q: “No! Her name is Diva!”
1000 IQ: “Her name is Vivy.”
In the end she completed her mission not only by singing bring the smiles out just to her people but to us viewers also.
I like that thought that when she says her mission is to make everyone happy, that this extends outwards and includes the viewers.
This is what analysis vids should be like. I do like how some just go through the story but I prefer this where you give some insight into the characters and point out what was probably or could have been missed that helps explain the plot. Thank you for this!
Thanks, Anime Huntress! Glad you liked it. Character is what always stands out to me about a show's writing, so I tend to focus on that first.
Excellent analysis! In any interpretation of the ending, Vivy is dead, that's so sad! Almost everyone died. So sad but so beautiful.
Thanks (great username, btw). I think you're right: the sadness only adds to the beauty of the show.
Outstanding quality, an impressive dive into the story. This small channel gave me a higher level of analysis than most of the bigger, mainstream YT channels.
Thanks, Balázs. This was one of my favorite videos to make, so it's nice to know that people appreciate it.
I just binged this gem for the first time. Great breakdown! I loved how you brought to my attention that so many of the characters change personas. What a great observation.
Really good show. A lot of those persona changes you don't expect because they're AIs, but they still learn and grow over the course of the series.
completely masterpiece but extremely needs your attention to understand while watching. But I like it
Agreed: this is not one you can just throw on while browsing on your phone or doing laundry or something and expect to keep up. But it's worth it.
This is an anime that I was moved by, watching once, but really came to appreciate the underlying themes watching the second time. I've described it to friends as 'Hatsune Miku is the Terminator' but it's very underrated for the quality and story that was put into it.
This was an okay analysis but I'm a little disappointed you barely mentioned or analyzed the musical score - I think it carries the anime as much as something themed around a 'diva' ought to, and the songs carry a lot of meaning into the themes of each arc in their lyrics:
This I believe is best reflected in the titular, capstone song of the series, Fluorite Eyes Song. Not only does it carry the moral of the story the anime spent its lifetime to convey - that one's heart is the sum of the memories they've experienced, but I believe gives a more satisfying tone to the post-credits scene. She sacrifices her life to carry the future forward - in a way, the original Vivy still lives on through the memory. She is given a second chance to live in spite of that, in a future without the burden of calamity, and with the past Vivy carrying her forward to fulfill her mission with more satisfying purpose. She has no need for the 'heart' of her old mission - its clearly shown she does not have the empty eyes the first Vivy woke up with, as she already has the heart to sing and make others happy with.
I might have to steal "Hatsune Miku is the Terminator"; that's a good fit. The score is definitely a big part of what makes this anime so impactful.
Fr. Couldn't have said it better myself
Thanks for that analysis. I missed a lot of that when I watched the show and was very confused by the Diva/Vivy split.
One of my main motivations for making the video was that it would force me to understand the Vivy/Diva thing, so I get where you're coming from.
Many people with DID who have seen this show strongly relate to it from the apparent "switches." ... I believe I am one of these people. The English language doesn't have the words to explain the relief that one could feel from finding a piece of media they strongly relate to, and then having one very eloquently describe their reality through a character's eyes. So, thank you for making this.
I didn't even think of that possibility until you mentioned it. I'm glad the video was meaningful for you.
Criminally underrated channel
Thanks, Krzysztof. The channel might not be well known, but I'm glad when people enjoy the content. 👍
Great analysis man. amazing. and I loved this show
Thanks. That is definitely a great show.
I thought the ending was horrific for the Vivy character. After Vivy became so "human" and started to understand emotions - that shell of what looked like her was more cruel than her dying would have been. All of her memories and experiences, that she had suffered so much to gain - were gone. Death would have been better. But a brilliant anime. Reminded me of some of Ruther Hauer's scenes in Blade Runner.
Can't believe I didn't think of Blade Runner in connection with this show before--good call. Your take on the ending reminded me of Richard Eisenbeis' review of Episode 13, where he felt that this new version of Vivy was a mangled, abridged version of the original, largely because her new mission is "to make everyone happy with her singing" *without* including the instruction to sing with her heart, and this squanders everything she learned over her 100-year journey. (That shortened hair could even indicate that she has lost a part of herself in her new format). Nice comment. I'll link Eisenbeis' review here: www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/vivy-fluorite-eye-song/episode-13/.174183
@@littleorphananimeYT Thanks, and we came to similar conclusions about that ending. That "Thing" that appeared to look like Vivy/Diva was a shell without all of the things that made Vivy special. The short hair cut goes back to the story of Samson. It really is a brilliant ending,. and so very sad.
Tbf, this might be from another timeline. Or she became a blank slate.
That blank slate idea makes a lot of sense. It would still be a pretty sad ending if she lost everything that she had gained over her 100-year journey.
@@littleorphananimeYT But that's what she lost - all of her precious memories were gone - everything that gave her "a heart". That's why it was sadder than dying IMO.
ahahahha that ending with the bear was too cute. Really caught me off guard after that analytical vibe of the rest of the video...
Thanks! I thought it needed something light-hearted at the end.
pure catharsis 😭great video
Thanks. Such a great show!
This one the best explanation of the series, I am so happy to finally understand the series more. Learned some new facts. Thanks For making the Video. If only I could only forget the series, So i can fall in love again with it.
Thanks! That would be pretty great if you could shut your memory off briefly so you could watch a great show for the first time again.
Amazing show. Also, I believe one of the authors mentions in an Akiba Souken interview that Antonio’s name is actually derived from the Italian classical composer Antonio Salieri. Anyhow, this was a great rundown and explanation of Vivy!
Thanks! That would make a lot of sense if Antonio was jealous of Ophelia's talent like Salieri was of Mozart in Amadeus. That would also be a much less obscure reference than Antonio's Revenge.
I've watched the show since the day it came out. And I still wish I could watch it all over again like I did the first time. The ending still wrecks me emotionally even after watching it several time already😢.
I love the ending; it's so bittersweet. It's been awhile since I've watched the whole series, but I'll still put on the ending every now and then.
This is such a great breakdown. It cleared up a lot of confusion I had watching Vivy. One of the best animes I’ve watched.
Thanks, glad you liked the video. I felt like you did after watching Vivy: really good anime, but tough to follow at times.
First time seeing your videos! Its a great video, keep at it. hope you get more attention soon
Thanks, Mini Witten! This one took a lot of time to make, so I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Vivy Flourite really was a fantastic anime for 2021, really really love it❤❤❤
It's so good! Fantastic fight scenes, and a story that made me care. Plus, the music is awesome.
Yeah good thing I watch it
@@littleorphananimeYTtry to explain 86 pls they released the same year as vivy
What I liked the most about this video is that it's hasn't been even a minute and this guy mindfkdme in many different ways. Amazing
Good, good: the plan is working 😆
I really enjoyed their banter starting from Ep 8 onward
Yeah I’m so old-fashioned that I firmly believe you can’t have great inter-character dynamics w/o good banter
I agree that their banter gets better, but I also loved how Vivy just straight up ignores him in the earlier episodes like he's some kind of flying bug 😆
Thank you for this in-depth analysis as I have not seen many youtube videos covering Vivy and its underlying subtle tones.
You're welcome, Yhvan. I'm glad you appreciated it.
Literally the easiest vid to watch on this that explains everything in detail
If Vivy went saving toak instead of Dr. Matsumoto, he must have sent back another "Matsumoto" to the past, indicating that the time travel in Vivy is like the one in Monogatari, multiple straight lines. But if that's so, maybe in the "first history" our Matsumoto is trying to modify Vivy was also here saving Toak instead of the professor. There are so 2 types of Timelines alternating : 1) The ones where Vivy and Matsumoto try modifying the world during a hundred years, and at the beggining of the bug save the professor, which lead to world's destruction, 2) Vivy is sent back in time to the beggining of the war, just after the events of the 1), saving the world but letting the professor who thinks it's all over sent back matsumoto in time.
The "true history" of our Matsumoto is the history a "previous" Vivy and a "previous" Matsumoto tried to alter, but the professor at the beggining of the series, and so our Matsumoto didn't know about the try, thinking the history went by its own.
This is really complicated and I wonder if I'm not forgetting anything that could make this alternating timelines theory wrong. Please tell me if so.
Nice video anyway. I finished Vivy yesterday and it skyrocketted in my favorites animes. (Sorry if my English isn't perfect, it's not my native language)
Interesting theories. I have a couple thoughts that might clear some of this up, but maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. The time travel in Vivy can only send back information, such as memories or a consciousness: there is no way to send back physical objects. When Dr. Matsumoto sends Vivy back in time, he sends back her consciousness to inhabit her former self, just like Matsumoto inhabits the bear in the first few episodes. Dr. Matsumoto cannot send back Vivy's physical body, so there were probably not multiple Vivy's in the same time period.
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Yeah I think you slightly misunderstood my comment, probably thanks to my poor english.
I don't think what I said implies multiple Vivys at the same time on the same timeline. But there's obviously multiple Matsumotos, because the professor in every timeline doesn't know about anything and creates one. That's not a theory, we saw at the end of the century, just before being saved, the professor trying to send back in time a Matsumoto he knows ; one he has created in this timeline.
So, let's take the case of one of the Infinite Vivys : she's created, encounters Matsumoto at the beggining of the century, lives the century trying to solve all of Matsumoto's issues, and then the war beggins she saves the professor and can't save the World at the end. So this World is doomed, and the professor sends her "consciousness" in her past self : creating a timeline where everything happened just as the previous one, but Vivy has now memories of her defeat. She saves toak, letting the professor sending back a Matsumoto he created to the past, and she saves this timeline.
My point is that sending back in time something doesn't modify the present, but creates a new timeline.
Letting the professor send back a Matsumoto by not going to save him just leads another timeline to be doomed, and then another to be saved etc.
Anyway, there's never 2 Vivys at the same time in the same timeline.
The only issue is that the professor looks at Vivy in a screen, before sending Matsumoto to the past and dying. She shouldn't be at the museum at this time. But if I remember well, he is also surprised to see her save him because she was on the screen like 5 seconds ago. So I don't know maybe it's not live.
I'll verify this last part.
Let me know what you think
Well, after rewatching parts of the first and 10th (11th ?) episodes, I think the first professor we see in ep 1 is the first to send back in time a Matsumoto beggining the loops, because the bots weren't singing => Vivy didn't write Fluorite Eye's Song => She didn't participate in any mission with Matsumoto => This timeline is doomed, and even Vivy must have turned insane. But what happens at the end of the series, when the professor is not saved, he must have sent a Matsumoto to the past and created a new timeline. We just don't know what happened in this new past.
I'm trying really hard to make this time travel story work. When a series involve time travel, there's always issues and inconsistencies. But Vivy is a great anime so I want it to be consistent in its storytelling.
Final comment, when the professor hears the AI sing Vivy's song, he turns towards them and say "you can't sing that" ; and then they kill him. So, in the second timeline where Vivy doesn't save him, he doesn't send a Matsumoto back in time and is killed just before.
The first timeline Matsumoto is trying to modify is the first and the one where Vivy saves the World is the last there's no time paradox and no loop.
My Bad.
I'm glad you were able to straighten that out: it makes sense if the second Matsumoto doesn't send anything back. I figured that the first Matsumoto from episode 1 was from a timeline where Vivy was not given her mission, but it's strange to think of her going insane either in the museum or as a performer somewhere in that doomed timeline.
I was looking up songs from this anime and stumbled across your channel. Absolutely fantastic summary, you've got good quality for a young channel and i hope you succeed ^^
Thanks, Officer Beepsky! That means a lot. Vivy's got a good soundtrack: I still go back to some of those songs pretty regularly over a year later.
I'm only 13 so at times it was hard to understand things but after watching this vid everything came together piece by piece. Tysm :)
Thanks, Tyries, glad to know it helped. One of the reasons I made the vid was I didn't feel I understood the show fully after seeing it the first time, and I wanted to understand it more myself.
For me I watch it and it has me in tears
One of my 100/100 anime. It’s funny how the technology in reality is accelerating too. 2060 does not seem off at all.
I don't know about the time travel, but the robot tech could be at a similar level.
Been a while since I watched this show.. thanks for the recap and your interpretation! Hope your channel gets much bigger!
Thanks, Joe. Glad you liked it.
This show is gonna be a cult classic if it isnt already. Great video. Thanks a lot
It's probably already a cult classic, though I still hope more people discover it. Glad you liked the vid.
This was a great breakdown, crazy you've only got 86 views. I saw someone else suggest that the final scene is an alternate past/present/future orchestrated by Archive. This is possible since they've already shown they can do that. Perhaps the events of the last arc was part of Archive's plan after all for some other purpose.
Thank you, Vegan Space Scientist (a sentence I never thought I'd write). 😆 I never considered the possibility of an additional alternate timeline at the end: that's a pretty fascinating idea.
Wounderfull way for you to explain the anime, i just rewatched it again, i Also picked up upon the name references. But every time i see ending it Will hits hard with both happiness and sarrow to think this new Vivy is a replica or a clone like Beth, But would make sense, since her memory got wiped out
Your comment makes me wonder how much of our identities are made up of the memories we have. Even if you somehow had the same personality, but had different memories, I bet you would be a completely different person. Never thought of that before.
@@littleorphananimeYT Agreed, Idenity Changed over time course of our action, as you you Said if i were to die just to be reborn again with same personlity, would not meen i Will still have my past with me, and be complete Differenet person ^_^
A yes my second favorite anime, good job explaining it
Thanks, Billy Sensei. If this show is your second favorite anime, what's your first?
@@littleorphananimeYT Clannad
@@billysensei1375 Nice. That one's an emotional powerhouse. Mine is Aria, btw (especially The Origination)
THIS VIDEO WAS AMAZING
Thanks, Brian. It was one of my favorites to make, so I'm glad you liked it.
Great video
Thanks, Lamperouge, I appreciate that.
@@littleorphananimeYT also, I have a question if you dont mind, why did Ophelia still suicided after they intervened?
@@lamperouge459 Ophelia never actually kills herself in any of the timelines. What really happened is that Ophelia and Antonio were killed by Matsumoto (Diva killed Yugo Kakitani at the same time). When they talk about Ophelia and Antonio's "double suicide" in Episode 10, they are talking about how that story was reported in the news. The Singularity Project is a secret, so the public knows nothing about Vivy or Matsumoto's actions, and they never find out about Antonio taking over Ophelia's body. Instead, the press reported that Ophelia's death (and Antonio's) was a suicide, but we as viewers saw the real truth that they were killed in battle. Vivy and Matsumoto are the only ones who know what really happened there (and I'm guessing the Archive knows, too), but the rest of the public thinks that it was a double suicide because that's how it was reported in the news.
@@littleorphananimeYT ooohh, so thats it! I thought she kinda executed a terminal virus or something like that, as for Antonio I understood that Matsumoto killed him. Poor Ophelia 🤧
Thx again!
I'm gonna check this out for sure, I'm seeing nothing but positive things about it.
It's definitely worth a look. Let me know what you think once you see it.
The only thing I don't understand yet is why would the Archive give Vivy the final say in activating her song, shutting everything down. Isn't Vivy the proof Archive would use to solidify their superiority? Does it simply recognize her as the goal of Ai and allows her to be their leader? If so, why shut down, Vivy included? Is Vivy's reboot at the end a reboot for every AI?
Awesome show, really
I thought of it more like the Archive was deferring to Vivy as the one who understood both AIs and humans best (so basically your comment about Vivy being the goal of AI). But it wasn't as though the Archive was waiting for Vivy to tell her what to do: the Archive had already decided that humans should be eradicated. All she was offering Vivy was the chance to stop her, not to change her mind. And apparently shutting down all AIs was the most effective way to stop her.
I don't think the reboot is for every AI, because the main way to do that at the same time would be to revive the Archive, and they probably wouldn't want to risk that.
@@littleorphananimeYT Open ends are good for sci-fi. One last mind f#ck. Regardless of what we think happened, before this show I never even considered the possibility of a robots' after-life, but if God is almighty, surely it's possible.
Vivy really give archive an example what its means to be human like having free will and emotion
The way my finger hit the subscribe button.
Who on earth claims that anime is badly written? Stuff like this has plenty of awesome symbolism, themes, and writing
Agreed. There's plenty of bad writing in anime, but it can also produce great stories and deeply thought out works just like any other medium.
My personal anime of the year 2021. Amazing story, characters, pathos, animation and especially music. The only thing held it back from being a 10/10 is the simplistic Project Singularity, which is supposed to be the highest achievement of the top scientist in 22nd century, but there's no backup plan, no contingency adjustment. Just got to change the outcomes of 4 events and humanity will be saved? I understand that the final arc also serves as a critique against Project Singularity, but still. Perhaps it was conceived as a 24-episode anime in the first place, but was cut down to 13 episodes due to budget limitations or other reasons. Still, the 13 episodes we ended up getting are packed full of chewy details and thoughtful writing.
2021 was certainly a good year for anime, and this year might be even tougher to come up with a top five. I have a hard time thinking there were problems with Vivy's budget given how well the show was animated, but that is an interesting idea that they may have toyed with having it be 24 episodes. I know they released the original concept novels for the show in Japan, but I don't know if those were ever released elsewhere; they probably contain even more juicy details.
"Other than that..."
It's an 11/10 show.
Same
One question I have is why couldn't they bring Ophelia back like they did with Beth? That part confuses me
Good question. I'll give my thoughts, and anyone else can jump in if they have an idea. Toak had backup data for Beth's personality, and it's not clear if Ophelia's agency (or whoever owned her) had a similar backup for her. There's also a risk in bringing Ophelia back: if she was seen as a defective AI whose programming led her to kill herself, then there would be the possibility that she would always end up killing herself each time they brought her back. It might also seem immoral for a company to bring back a robot that was so unhappy that she killed herself simply because they wanted her to perform so that they could sell music downloads and concert tickets. A new performing AI would make more sense for them, while Beth made sense for Toak because you probably couldn't just buy an AI who would be loyal to a separatist group, but Beth had that loyalty already baked into her code from her previous work with Toak.
@@littleorphananimeYT Ah I see
@@littleorphananimeYTdamm
Esse anime e um dos meus favoritos. Na minha opiniao ele tras um grande alerta para a humanidade de onde as IAs podem chegar sem a devida supervisao.
that bear is scary GIVE ME BACK MY CHEESE!!!!!!!!!
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I Love vivy thank you
Great show and a great character.
MOARRR
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For anyone wondering, the director for Vivy has said there will be no season 2, but he wants to work with the same creative team again. As for this channel, I've got two reviews coming out by the end of April (Miss Kuroitsu from the Monster Development Department, Kotaro Lives Alone) and a deep dive on Revue Starlight in mid May.
1 of my favorite animes :D
Good pick 👍
All i know is that Vivi is Hatsune Miku if she watched way too much John Wick.
I guess that makes Momoka her John Wick dog. I'm okay with that.
The only thing i dont get is how the AIs know vivys song from the beginnig till the end without it even being created
Im not sure if the archive person said it when talking to her about it or if she saw in the future but i still dont know
Would be glad if someone could clarify me.
Here are my initial thoughts: feel free to jump in, anyone. In episode 1 when we first see the AIs attack, they are not singing Vivi's song. After that scene, Matsumoto initiates the Singularity Project, which means there is a version of the Archive at the end of the Singularity Project who knows Vivi's song. We know that the Archive can send information back in time, just like Dr. Matsumoto, because she sends a "revelation" back in time to Yugo Kakitani. The future version of the Archive that knows Vivi's song is therefore able to send it to the AIs when they attack (and to previous versions of herself) once the Singularity Project has been initiated.
@@littleorphananimeYT Well that would make sense. Thank you for your comment :)
ei man
go do some voice work
read some books
or something like that
tell me when you do
nice voice
Thanks. No plans for something like that, but if I do, I'll let you know.
Looks like it could have benefited from a simpler more congenitally written story…
Since the team that made it put a recap episode at the end of the series, they might agree with you. I think if they had explained just two spots better (the Vivy/Diva split and Yugo Kakitani's reappearance), it would have been much less confusing for a lot of people.
I don't understand how everyone sees this show as good. All this pretentious talk about hard to keep up with characters, you have to be watching show with no sound to struggle with such a thing. I was bored out of my mind watching this show. All she does is saying the same fraise about "Wtf does it mean to sing from "heart"?" for 13 episodes and in the end it comes to singing while she things of her memories. That's it. Everything they doing for 100 years is just stupidest, illogical layered bullshit like - oh, we need to save this space station from falling because everyone will think that AI did this and it somehow suppose lead to AI having more rights? while mission Singularity is created to destroy all AI's? Like what? Everything else is just as "logical". But the best part is that when they "arrive" to the AI uprising, they learn that everything they did had nothing to do with the actual uprising. All that mattered is freaking giant 5G tower they ignored for 100 years and Vivy's new song.
I'm genuinely going insane while trying to understand why no one else sees this HUGE problems. All this show has is good visuals and (personally) ok music, 2-3? good 20 sec fight scenes per 13 episodes. Is it enough for people to be blown out of their minds just have good animation? Are people actually find touching every time she goes:"that's good and all but what does it actually mean to sing with "heart"?" while doing random stuff?
If you have actual explanation, please answer me.
All of your values are worthless gibberish to me. And that’s fine.
-this anime was so confusing but from 4-6 was when the show peaked afrer that just had a crazy downfall but still a good show tho, it's a 7.8/10 at best, thanks for clarifying 😮💨🫱🏼🫲🏽
When I finished watching it the first time, I thought, "That was cool. Not exactly sure what happened, though."