119: They Predict A Riot
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- How online disinformation (and dubious reporting) contributed to the last week's riots across Britain. Plus, a look at the Conservative Leadership betting odds (place your bets now!) and a look at how Huw Edwards has changed in the last year.
"I'm not inciting, I'm just saying the people are [insert incitement here] and their concerns are justified."
- Nigel Farage
it would be great if he just Got In The Sea. And stayed there.
And their "legitimate" concerns are? A couple of decades of racist propaganda that conservatives and other responsible people consciously turned a blind eye to.
Thank goodness we have Private Eye with its exceptional record of investigative journalism. They have a well-earned reputation for humour as well as the often uncomfortable truth.
If Private Eye attempted what Charlie Hebdo did .....
How long do you suppose they'd have left?
Once maybe. Now they’re far from objective
"we don't know" a phrase that kills the algorithm and doesn't pay the mortgage.
Have you listened to Rory Stewart's BBC Radio series on Ignorance (he's pro)? - very interesting.
yeah it's bizarre. Everyone feels entitled to know EVERYTHING (even the unknown) IMMEDIATELY and if they don't get it, they scream cover up, and spiral. Just put your phone down and go for a walk outside in the real world, and say hi to your neighbours, get on with your life until the facts are known - then form an opinion.
@@buxombint apparently jumping to conclusions is the new exercise fad.
@@buxombint I did
My neighbours are absolute ...............
You cannot be just asking questions, if when questions are being invited at the HoC, you cannot be arsed to turn up.
No points in actually doing a job for Pissweasel Farage, remember his time at the EU?
I've only come here to look at the middle class self-righteous gloaters.
that's you that is......
The answer to people being angry about censorship is not more censorship.
This is a breath of fresh air. Thank you Private Eye.
Farage foraging for rage.
It's the only way he can earn money or get sexually aroused.
he is Fa Rage Y'all
Do you ever get angry?
@@davelong9055 not enough to RIOT.
@@davelong9055 Yes, I do.
Hope that helps.
"Just Asking Questions" better known, in my opinion, as JAQing off.
Please do NOT suggest following the US way of doing things is the way we should go! If there’s one country in more of a mess at the moment it is the US!
As someone in the USA I agree... How we deal with our Internet is a complete mess, thanks to crazy billionaires at the helm of all our major social media outlets and distribution system with almost no government oversight.
They weren’t it’s satire
So glad I found this podcast
On the Tory leadership Tugenhadt is the most capable, prime ministerial, has the widest appeal with the wider electorate therefore the membership won't choose him. I hope Jenrick gets it, incompetent, bonkers, and plainly corrupt (allegedly), hell be easy to beat for every other party.
Tugenhadt is far too sensible.I agree that Jenrick is the perfect Trumpian psycho to lead the forces of darkness
Thank you for uploading these !!! A rational voice in a sea of filler
It will be ironic when Private Eye gets banned and you look back and remember yourself calling for more censorship.
This is excellent
Sadly, I met an otherwise intelligent young woman who was convinced of the kebab story. I was unable to convince her otherwise. When drip fed slowly and constantly by online forums and the media, this stuff is powerful and dangerous.
Light travels faster than sound, that's why some folk seem bright till they open their mouths, some of them have kebab meat for brains though.....
@@junglie😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The "kebab story" refers to the exploitation, disappearance and murder of Charlene Downes, and the prosecution formally alleged that the body was disposed of in this manner.
What’s not depressing about the Conservative Party leadership election? Any sentence that includes the words Priti and Patel in it makes me feel profoundly anxious…we’ve learned on both sides of the pond that batshit and toxic are no longer funny, because they no longer disqualify you from “leadership”.
Is it not bizarre that the Tories allow their membership to choose the leader when the majority of them have little real political nouse. Neither do the membership really know the candidates as well as the MPs do. So this is like making a grown up decision about who should run and then hand it over to a group of infants to have the final say! Bonkers!
It didnt start with Southport, it started (in the short term) with the Tommy Robinson rally in Trafalgar Square. I reckon they were waiting for an excuse after that.
Exactly
The reason saying "The truth is being withheld from us." works is that the truth is withheld so often. People who are not even remotely right-wing hate being lied to or treated unfairly.
Correct. That is far more true than the podcasters would wish.
WWTD....Nigel Farage's motto.
(What Would Trump Do).
Why ever would someone be sceptical of lockdowns? They were such a good idea!
Some of our (Australia) States have very strict laws on the reporting of active/pending legal cases. I think private individuals aren’t exempt from them, though haven’t heard of anyone other than journalists being prosecuted for contempt of court for releasing names or reporting in a prejudicial way. If the UK has similar laws perhaps going after one or two high profile non-journalist tweeters (or whatever Musk calls them now) might start to change the current online culture of unaccountability.
It speaks volumes for Musk’s influence on Twitter that pre-Musk AusPol Twitter had correctly identified a rapist within half a day of the crime being publicly reported (and lots of us tried to warn tweeters not to spread it because of the impact that would have on the case) and post-Musk a wrong name spread as widely with horrific consequences.
The way Helen speaks about conspiracy theories, you would think that there are no conspiracies at all.
Private eye was reporting on the post office scandal for years.
Which of the ones she mentioned do you subscribe to?
Maybe they might be less of a conspiracy and more of a network of Billionaires who think alike and have intrests and investment tha tend to "Breath together".
@@Leningrad_Underground A cartel
@@davethompson3326 Well yes. You promted me to go to Wikipedia to get a better explanation than I might have carried. Cartel is certainly akin to a conspiracy.
Private Eye, though admirable is not necessarily correct about everything.
Disinformation, misinformation and innuendo go hand in hand. trump, especially, is a "master" of innuendo - "many people are saying", "I've heard", etc., etc.
The worst phrase of the modern age "I saw it on facebook"
Is it a coincidence that trump's minions use the same phrases, farage is a master of it
Private Eye proud supporters of the " safe and effective".
Integrity level at zero.
Do you know what satire is
@@MannyJazzcats private eye printed lies in their own magazine 2020 onwards,never even bothered questioning the lockdowns/masks etc imposed at will by govt...and yet their whole claimed ethos had been to hold power/politicians to account with reports and satire.
They failed 100%.
Maybe if the politicians actually did what people keep voting for they wouldn't have people going so bloody mental.
Well the usless tory's have been dumped sland only an idiot expects a new government to fix everything in a month !
Just subscribed for the first time. First issue arrives in a couple weeks. Actually amazed how cheap the subscription is. £45 for a years worth of issues is basically free. I agree with Ians statements in the past. Journalism is a very hard craft and should be paid for to consume. I'd have happily paid more for the content provided
Their Christmas cards are good too.
Robert Jenrick reminds me of tinned pilchards
Not sure if it’s a fair comparison, some people actually like pilchards.
He reminds me of a concentration camp commendant
As an old person I can say it was actually Glenryck. I learnt the word ubiquitous thanks to one of their ads
@@memeisticdan4135 :Hermann Goerth in particular
@@hopethisworks1212: I know it was Glenryck; Jenrick, being assonant with that reminded me of the pilchards. I remember the adverts with a cartoon pilchard with popping eyes and a voice like Stanley Baxter.
Of course, people who have been watching Dr Jhon Campbell from the start of the pandemic until now will think, I have been lied to once maybe I am being lied to about other things.
Posh lady extrapolates that means you & I also think the moon is made of cheese.
"Dr" John Campbell whose doctorate qualification is in Nursing Management. I.e. management not medicine.
He is no more qualified to offer medical advice than I am. I'm a former medical professional with a post graduate medical qualification.
Southport NOT Stockport 🙄
R.e the Tories not having a problem with Race, I think one of the big reasons why Liz Truss won among the membership was that she was White.
You have to think Who the typical Tory member is i.e over 85, very right wing and thinks Enoch Powell had a point.
Absolutely correct.
White? Liz Truss? oh yeah, she is kinda white, I suppose
If you're surprised that a party leader is white in an overwhelmingly white country then you're clearly ignorant. The demographics of London don't represent the demographics of the UK.
Talking about “it’s useful to have the network of people back out in the open where we can hear them” oh you mean free speech?
I’m sorry but I think musk must be held legally accountable- issue an international arrest warrant - he can defend and test it in court.
If you want to waste billions of public money that’d be how to do it.
@@andylewis7360that will get his attention - then yes
He's certainly guilty of being a dodgy slap-head weirdo, that'll do for now, not my opinion btw, just repeating what people might have said, allegedly, lool :D
@@andylewis7360 wasting billions of public money is the government subsidising Musk for him to waste it on political donations and dumb projects.
On what charge (that could stick)?
Informative! Great work Private Eye
The unrest didn’t just erupt over the murder of those innocent children. It’s been building up for years.
Not being a arseh*le, is there evidence that belief in god has an effect on gullibility? Should society start to point out the normality of hearing voices, and chatting to an invisible presence, is a terrible place to start from belivability wise.
It's also imo the patient zero of so-called 'social contagions'...
Considering Ian Hislop's beliefs, I think you're barking up the wrong tree here.
In studies, religious people who go to church were less likely to buy into conspiracy theories like QAnon (92% disapproved), however those that don’t are more likely to believe. Of those that did believe, the highest percentage were white evangelicals (in the USA) - 31%.
According to the Economist, one prominent theory is that a segment of non-religious people are attracted to conspiracy theory because it fills the gap that religion fills.
Whatever gets you through
Probably not. It's more a long term undermining of long standing protocols to create confusion about who to trust and spread misinformation.
They the far right failed tonight thank god
Do you prefer the far wrong?
It didn’t startaweek ago it goes Kotex further back than that.
Suspend Twitter in the UK for the time being, at least until this is over
Very reasonable and not all fascistic.
All over the UK ? I think you mean England
No, they mean the UK.
Northern Ireland too
It was mostly England and Belfast. I think there's been some minor clashes in Glasgow
No riots in Wales, our fascists are travelling to England to show off their racism.
The killer was Welsh 🏴
The UK has been key to Ukraine's continued survival and what were seeing here in FSB sponsored civil unrest.
And your proof/evidence ?
@@onestartravellermarkeymark5329 They broadcast on RT that the knife crime was done by a Moslem !
@@onestartravellermarkeymark5329 brexit, trump farage 2016 ? join the dots ...
It's a possibility though by no means certain. Whether it's linked to the apparently coordinated though only partially successful rise of the far right across Europe or is being coordinated by purely domestic actors is unknown. What I'd like yo hear is an official announcement that there is an investigation into who is behind the unrest.
IMverylimitedO I think this hypothesis is compelling when considering wider events, although it is not conclusive, and even then would likely be only one factor in the overall matrix, or whatever the word is lol. BTW, 5329, who cares about proof and evidence during a fight? Sounds like some 'freedom of screech' bullpoop to me, please forgive me if you're actually genuinely arsed or even slightly concerned about proof and evidence of some theory in the comments section :D But while we're talking about it, Ukraine Forever! :D
Street fighting is just about the cheapest form of exciting entertainment nowadays
Thank you for offering voices of sense and humour. Much appreciated.
Just wait a minute, these guys are funny.
I suspect I’m one of them as I’m not one of them? #UK❤️OK Support Labour 👍🏼✌🏼❤️🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴
Social media abhors a vacuum.
Thankyou, all very patronising
Hey, nice to see the comments section here isn't full of bots and cranks claiming 'this is wot happens if u don't listen to the bwitish people', but this is a totally top rank magazine's channel! You must be doing something wrong, lol! It's like watching an awesome band in a small venue! Good work and thanks for the show! Cheers everybody!
And the difference between Misinformation & Disinformation is what exactly?
Hislop gave an explanation at the beginning disinformation is on purpose
One is deliberate and one isn't. You should be able to work out which is which.
39 minutes and 27 seconds of sneering.
Yes sneering at you 🐣🐣🐣🐣🍌🍌🍌
Because it has been policy not to release news that does not fit the Govt narrative
Of the people directly involved in the riots, how many voted for Brexit and how many for remaining? I wonder 🤔
The question you SHOULD be asking (instead of focusing on irrellevant stuff that happened half a decade ago) is who voted for LABOUR
@@TonySpike enlighten me. Who voted for Labour?
@TonySpike BTW, when a debate to exit an economic union, absolutely against your own economic interest throws up an atmosphere where race riots appear nationwide at the drop of a hat after a few bs rumours on social media - that is relevant
I doubt many of them voted at all.
me
Oh I'm sooo very sick of generational generalisations.
Second time listening to this, and the fact that mass immigration is only briefly touched on by Ian towards the end of the section covering the riots, shows the degree of disconnect between parts of London based media and the rest of the country. Listening to this, you'd have thought the riots where purely as a result of right wing disinformation and commentators, and nothing to do with break neck speed of demographic change and lack of migrant integration, in working class communities. The horrific murders were the trigger, but the oxygen was the growing discontent with mass immigration and its negative impact on numerous communities across the country.
Tom Twoguns’hat
I predict the predictable smug, self-satisfied metropolitan commentary as the country tears itself to shreds. Not hard, like I say it's predictable.
It sounded that way to me too.
Yet here you are..
Why was Huw Edwards famous?
What did he do?
Only asking questions
He was a BBC news anchorman, who fell out of favour over his pastimes, which were unsavoury, apparently. Been sentenced.
Us minus you & me equals them...
The sun is out- riot!
Roll on "back to school"
And there’s no football matches to go to & make monkey sounds!
Wish these were more frequent!
Bbc could do better by being subscription based.
Till that happens abd folk get the right to not be husked for fees when the not intrested, this will never really go away.
Itl just be story after gossip snd so on indefinately.
Posh people shouldn't say Wrong'un.
Why, is it cultural appropriation? Grow up.
We don't know....😉
Private Eye❤
Workhouses, deportations, the gallows, the birch, the stocks, thumbscrews ....!
Bring it all back. Take back control. I want my country back. Let's get it done.
My bid for the Tory party leadership. Vote for me.
No time for Paddingtons cousin in NYC?
Nobody cares at what anybody in this video has to say, or anything in the idiotic comments section for that matter.
There's no R in class
There's Reading, Aldershot, Bracknell, you know, I've got Didcot, Yateley...
You know...
Winnersh
Dear male posh bloke - it was Southport not Stockport.
The usual smug garbage from Private Eye.
How about innocent until proven guilty. Don't sack people because of unproven allegations. Private Eye has become very authoritarian all of a sudden.
SMURFFS
Given that furrage has never held a responsible position in office (until recently) it's no wonder he doesn't know how to behave in a position requiring responsible behaviour.
Hehe heh, Furrage, lol, good one :D :D :D
I hope this gets seen by someone.
South Park did it first.
Joke there somewhere.
The smurfs.
Wendy for any extra information for someone x
You are referring to Cartman utilising and corrupting the student announcements job to create his own full time propaganda channel, slandering his political opponent, Wendy, under the guise of 'just asking questions', winning the election as student rep on the school council, and then crying like a baby when everyone hates his guts cos he's incompetent. Say what you like about Cartman, he's not as lazy or boring as Faridge et al, and he's definitely funnier. :D
Sorry, I just got your 'Simpsons did it first' reference, a General Disarray quote? :D
would be better with video
do you understand what a podcast is?
@@dlscorp many podcasts include video... dick
listen to bronn in game of thrones season 2 about the potential sack of kings landing and people in the economic world that in a crisis their are people who loot shit while others are spazzing out
OK yes i paraphrased that but am i wrong 😁
I’m not gonna lie - the ‘batshitman’ comic strip in the private eye has honestly boosted my opinion of James cleverly. Fair play to him
@flyaway 🤪
Farage? Doesn't sound very English, more Froggy to me.
Huguenot - southwest France.
Not to mention the helpful contribution from that fountain of freedom and enterprise otherwise known as Elon Musk
Do you finish on a cheery story?......I may not make it to the end of the podcast....
Thanks.
How does anyone take Helen Lewis seriously after her interview with Jordan Peterson?
Does anyone take Jordan Peterson seriously?
@@costeris35 ironically, after being interviewed by Helen Lewis, yes.
You really shouldn’t take seriously someone who wangs on about Free Speech one minute then runs off to Budapest to lick the boots of Victor “Friend of the Free Press” Orban.
Jordan Peterson? you mean that guy who’s always off his head on benzos and cries all the time?
@@leeshapon lazy ad hominem.
Brilliant
I agree, this is no longer about the murdered girls, its now about much much more
But the problem with fires is, you dont worry about the match that starts them after your house burns down, you worry about the ongoing fire
You see the thing is, this has been bubbling under the surface for a long time, for a HECK of a lot of people, and all it has taken is 1 single incident (however misinformed that incident was) to set the powderkeg alight
It was ALWAYS going to shift towards outrage at grooming gangs, soldiers being stabbed, attacks on police at airports, ect ect ect the SECOND their was even a hint that this was carried out by anyone other than a white person ....it was inevitable
And it was ALWAYS going to escalate based on the reaction of the people in power
And the fact is that Kier Starmer (man of the people) has handled this like an emotionless drone
He FAILED to address the concerns of parents of the children that were killed (as he went to lay flowers, he just ran off like a coward)
He FAILED to arrest muslim men walking the streets with machetes (and i dont care WHY they had them, its still illegal, the police would have pounced on a white man with such a weapon)
And then he made his 2 biggest FAILURES
first he turned around and basically branded ANY anti-immigration protester as FAR RIGHT simply because of the actions of a few nutcases, and that has done nothing but fan the flames of anger in those who were their PEACFULLY to begin with (those simply their to ask why they havent adressed the immigration issue, why they are releasing 40,000 prisoners ect) and at the same time has given the antifa crowd the idiotic and misinformed notion that they are all "fascists" when they are NOT (and i am sorry but if you disagree with that you are being as obtuse as the American NRA is about gun control)
And then he decided he would raise an "army" to stop the people that simply want answers instead of simply answering their questions
He FAILED when he tarred the people with the same broad "Far Right" brush, and the MSM is just as culpable for its one sided coverage and SENSATIONALIST headlines and blatently incorrect reporting
I dont condone the violence, (even as an anarchist i think it should be a very LAST resort in very dire circumstance) but it isnt those people out their i am blaming for this
Its Two Tier Kier Starmer, and (ironically, because again i am an Anarchist) i was one of the people that VOTED for him simply to get the Torys out
you should change your name to Tory Spike
The PM is not s policeman. He cant arrest anyone.
The fake name thing.....?.....fatherless Steven Yaxley? or the boy from Wales?
The guy in the zionists pay stoking hatred for muslims. Go figure.
We need a constitution to ensure equality under the law for all without regard for race or "marginalised group status".This would protect nonwhites and whites equally and it is equality that matters.
Lephtie schitt.
Far right fascist genocide fan
Hang on, what's wrong with eating insects?
Surely the irony is that since the assailant was of Somalian parents, shouldn't that have been sufficient grist for the mill without inventing a fake backstory?
They're a very good source of proteins!
Rwandan ?
the humans digestive tract can't extract much of the protein within insects without sigficant pre-preocessing, and farming at scale has remained a challange for several reasons. So far its simply more expencive, and less space effcient that traditional options as a primary sourse of protein, and the only people who are seriously considering it are start-up bros trying to find the next big thing.
1. Nothing, provided you're not a vegan/vegetarian. Most of the world eats insects, including the western world, look up what goes into red colouring or some waxing agents.
2. His parents came from Rwanda, quite ironic given the public discourse the last couple of years, which has something like a 95% christian majority. So a Syrian muslim right off the boat would work better to stir people up. Why such a person would cross half the world to do that or why he would cross most of England to do that instead of in Kent is not something that crosses faRAGE's fan boys' minds.
The fried grasshoppers I was given, by someone promoting eating insects, were very tasty.
Aston Walker 2011 looter. Now a BCU Steamhouse filed for patent inventor and Computer scientists and MOST READ scholar and academic at BCU CEBE Faculty. Did a research paper on 2024 riots and sunni shia polemics. Also appeared on BBC 2 newsnight with Lammy and Rowley
The Cocaine riots
The Stella and a cheeky key riots
November 2023 I put £1 on Braverman! 9/1 - good price. Moral: The bookies know.
@andrewcowell. Braverman isn't standing in the Conservative leadership challenge. Jenrick, Cleverly, Patel or Tugenhart... One of those 4. Altho seriously, who cares?
Yep Braverman has pulled out, don't spend that tenner as you'll never see it